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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: fifty five, and today in the show, we're talking serious

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Speaker 1: deer hunting tactics with Wisconsin d I Y Bow hunting

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Speaker 1: expert Joe Rnmewster. All right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Today. You are in

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Speaker 1: for a treat because we're getting back into some serious

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Speaker 1: deer talk. Now. I know over the past month or two,

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Speaker 1: I've occasionally kind of I don't know, We've explored some

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Speaker 1: different kinds of things. We've talked mushrooms, We've talked high

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Speaker 1: level conservation advocacy, we've talked cooking, and all sorts of

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Speaker 1: others slightly off the mainstream white tail beat kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad we did that. It's the off season,

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Speaker 1: after all, and there's nothing wrong in my opinion, with

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Speaker 1: stretching our horizons a little bit. But if if I'm

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Speaker 1: being honest, I know that we're all chopping at the

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Speaker 1: bit for deer hunting season, which unbelievably he's quickly approaching.

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Speaker 1: So today we are going to give you an extra

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Speaker 1: large helping of know how to help in your preparations.

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Speaker 1: And to do that, my guest today is Joe Rentmester. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with him, here's some quick background.

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Speaker 1: Joe is a Wisconsin deer hunter who many folks probably

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Speaker 1: know because of his appearances and collaborations with Dan Infult

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Speaker 1: and Hunting Beast forum videos and podcasts. He also might

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Speaker 1: know him from some of his appearances on the Hunting

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Speaker 1: Public videos. He's been on the Public Land Challenge episodes.

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Speaker 1: And I think that most of you are familiar with

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Speaker 1: Dan Infult and we've had him on the show multiple times.

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Speaker 1: And what's cool about Joe is that he's been able

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Speaker 1: to learn firsthand from hunting with Dan over the years,

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Speaker 1: and there has been a go out there and put

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Speaker 1: his own spin on this beast style of hunting that

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Speaker 1: many of us have become familiar with, and he's done

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Speaker 1: it really successfully. In fact, the o G himself, Dan Infult,

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Speaker 1: has called Joe the next great and a quote here

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Speaker 1: he's called the next great big buck serial killer end quote.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to say is that Joe knows

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Speaker 1: his stuff. He's having success killing mature bucks and a

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Speaker 1: lot of tough situations like public land in Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: And he's trusted and admired by many of the best

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Speaker 1: hunters in the country, which all leads me to say,

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Speaker 1: this hunting season is almost here. I can feel the

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Speaker 1: skin prickly on the back of my neck as I

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Speaker 1: say that, um hunt of season is almost here, and

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Speaker 1: Joe is going to help you and I get ready.

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Speaker 1: So without further ado, let's talk bucks. All right, I

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Speaker 1: am here now with Joe, rent me, stir Joe. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate making the time to do it, like like

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Speaker 1: we're just talking about. I know you've got a little

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Speaker 1: that's no easy task. So thanks for making this happen. No,

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Speaker 1: not a problem. So far, so good. He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: so far, so good. Man. That's a good point. I've

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Speaker 1: appreciating the one that's a mobile so much. Now. Those toddlers, man,

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Speaker 1: they keep you on your toes. But you never know.

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Speaker 1: You never know in the door is gonna fly open

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna go out, oh man, or or crashed

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Speaker 1: that too. Um. Well, cool, Joe. I I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: be able to have this conversation because you're a guy

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Speaker 1: who I've I've kept tabs on from Afar. I've been

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Speaker 1: watching what you've been up to. Of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been following and learning from Dan in Fault a

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Speaker 1: and um, so it's been nice to see another. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's been a pretty significant group of of young guys

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Speaker 1: putting it into action. Would you would you say that's

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Speaker 1: But but point being, um, you have had this, this

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Speaker 1: so my hunting started like a lot of people. Um,

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Speaker 1: and you've had these aha moments that you do different

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Speaker 1: trying to pull off that morning hunt and knowing how

430
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 1: they're getting back in there, you have to not only

431
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 1: think about whatever weird route they're taking in based off

432
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 1: of wind, based off cover, based off what you're doing,

433
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 1: but then also when are they going to do it?

434
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: How can you get in there? Um? That one always

435
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: keeps me up in the middle of night trying to

436
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 1: think it through. In in two thousand nineteen, so last year,

437
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:28,199
Speaker 1: I think you pulled off a smoke and hunt just

438
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 1: like that where you pegged exactly where you thought this

439
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 1: buck was going to go into bed and he betted

440
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 1: right underneath you. How did you do that? How did

441
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 1: you How did you pull that off? Because that was

442
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,199
Speaker 1: that was an early season morning hunt and you you,

443
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,679
Speaker 1: baby Ruth, did you bath basically pointed your bat in

444
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: the stands instaid you're gonna hit the home run? Right

445
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: there and then you did it. Sure. Yeah, so that

446
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: one to rewind. That one really goes back to when

447
00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 1: I was gosh, um, twelve years old when I started hunting. Um.

448
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 1: That's a spot that I hunted since I was twelve. Um.

449
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 1: That particular spot I've hunted in so many different ways, um.

450
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: And just to describe it for people, it's it's farm country.

451
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 1: There's really no swamp around, but that particular spot. I've

452
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: tried so many different things, from sneaking up close to

453
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: the edge of that woods and hunting it at night.

454
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: I've I've shot deer out of that bed with the

455
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: gun by jumping them up and shooting. UM. I've tried

456
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: kind of catching them coming across the field sitting in

457
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: the corn row and had him catch me drawing to

458
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 1: that bed. And I've tried everything, and I've had some giants.

459
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: I've actually there's some footage out there that I have.

460
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: I think it's on Damn Dan's Farm Country DVD where

461
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: I actually stuck a camera up in the tree over

462
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: the top of that bed and I've got some pretty

463
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 1: decent footage of there was I think in the video

464
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: there's just one specific buck multiple times. UM. But over

465
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 1: the years, there's been some slobs in that specific little spot,

466
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: specific spot start to interrupt. But I just feel like

467
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: if this is this is a spot that bucks keep

468
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: bedding over and over and over again, it's a slam

469
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: dunk buck bed. I feel you'd be really helpful to

470
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 1: understand the details of why this spot is such a

471
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: good buck bed. Yeah. So it's a basically if you

472
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: could picture two fields side by side with a drainage

473
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: ditch going in between them, and then the drainage ditch

474
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: leads into a little point of woods that's maybe um,

475
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: that point is maybe only twenty yards wide by fifty

476
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: yards long, and then that little point of woods turns

477
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: into like a bigger one acre woods. And they like

478
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: to bet on that little point of woods with They

479
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 1: actually like the wind at their back. Um. And if

480
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: if there's no crops that where they're sitting, they can

481
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 1: actually see the road. So anybody coming at them, they

482
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: can see them coming at them, and anybody coming from

483
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: behind them they can smell them from coming behind them. Um.

484
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: Does that paint the picture? I guess before I okay,

485
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: And what's nice is over the years, I mean I

486
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: hunted both parts of the woods morning and night, and

487
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: it seems like the bigger, more maturity are always in

488
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: the point of the woods, the bigger one acre piece

489
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: of woods. Sometimes you get some doughs and some all

490
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: our bucks in there, um, but the big boys hang

491
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: out right in that point of woods, and it's it's

492
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: nice and tight and small where if you get up

493
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: in the right tree, you can shoot that whole thing.

494
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: And I've seen it time and time again where when

495
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: you set up in the morning, even if they do

496
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: bed down before light, they're eventually going to get up

497
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: and kind of stage around and and sometimes I mean,

498
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: if that happens, he moves fifteen yards, that's all you

499
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: need to get your shot. So that's in that scenario,

500
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: that's what I was banking on. Um. So basically, the

501
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: night before I shot this deer, um I had, I

502
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: was hunting, how do I describe it, two hundred yards

503
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: across the field basically, and I was getting down early

504
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: because I blew some other deer out of the field

505
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: and I wanted to try and make a move on them. Um.

506
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: But I was getting down early, and as I actually

507
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: had my I was using the tethern platform and as

508
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: I slung it down the tree. I hit something and

509
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: it made a loud clank, and I saw him go

510
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: tearing off back to that little point. And I felt

511
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: very confident because he didn't know what I was in

512
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: the tree. My wind wasn't blowing at him. All he

513
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: heard was a clank, and it's not like he heard

514
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: a clank looked up and then he had you know,

515
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: he had sound envision. He heard that clank and took

516
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: off just immediately, so I felt like he wasn't very hard.

517
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: He just heard something he didn't like and got out

518
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: of there. So I felt like I could come in

519
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: from the other direction to this little point. Um basically

520
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: what I did from the road. I walked through standing

521
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: corn and then straight to a tree. I just picked up,

522
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: picked a tree that I felt like, in the dark

523
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: would cover most of that bedding, and got as high

524
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: as I possibly could. The reason for that is because

525
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to get my scent out over the top

526
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: of the corn. I felt like I was too too

527
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: low it could swirl down on the corn, So I

528
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: got as high as I possibly could, and he came

529
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: laid down below me, and I would actually ended up

530
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: happening was in the dark. I heard one and go,

531
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: there's the main bed that I've gotten the trail camp

532
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: pictures of all the deer on. I heard one go

533
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: to that bed, and then I in the moonlight, I

534
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: saw the target buck bed down right below me, and

535
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: I could kind of see him in my binoculars in

536
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: the moonlight. And I didn't know of any bigger deer

537
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: um in the area that were substantially bigger than the

538
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: one that was below me. So it got just light enough,

539
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: I flipp down the goal pro like I was scanning

540
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: kind of in the grass and the brush on the

541
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: right side of me, on the on the other bed,

542
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: the primary bed, and I didn't see the other buck.

543
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: I turned put the camera on the on the buckeye

544
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: shot shot him and then actually a big boy jumped

545
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: up out of the main bed. He was like he

546
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: was cratching. That's that's my lessons learned for the season

547
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: is I should have been more patient and just um

548
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: waited to see what that was. But we'll see this

549
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: year's corn on both sides of that ditch, so that's

550
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: gonna be huge. They like, I guess I should explain

551
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: if there's alfalfa on both sides or either side of

552
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: the ditch, you've got people driving by with a TV s,

553
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: people walking their dogs, Whereas when you have corn on

554
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: both sides of the ditch, there's no being there, so

555
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: all summer long they're left alone. So it makes a

556
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: makes a big difference. That's nice. We'll see maybe he'll

557
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: be back. So you I want to make sure I

558
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: understand why you decide to move that specific location. I

559
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: think I understand it. But for everyone listening, basically, you

560
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: you spooked him that night before, and you saw him

561
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: run back to that point, and so because you saw

562
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: he headed back that way, the assumption was, Okay, that's

563
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: probably where he came from. If he's heading back to

564
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: safety after getting spooks, he probably came from this point.

565
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: And from previous history you knew that in that point

566
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: there was this bed, which then told you, okay, that

567
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: bucks betted there, probably, so I'm gonna kick this wing

568
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: at him tomorrow, right exactly. Yep. And now a lot

569
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: of times when we say bed, a lot of people

570
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: are looking for Hey, he beds right tight up against

571
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: this one tree. That's where he is every single time.

572
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: And the betting in there it shifts around a little bit.

573
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: It can be twenty yards this way, twenty yards that way.

574
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: So it's it's not exact. It's not like I was

575
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: staring at one specific spot, but you're exactly correct. Yeah.

576
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: So here's another thing we I've talked to a lot

577
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: of different people who've talked about identifying buck betting areas,

578
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: identifying buck beds. Um. You know, we've seen the duties

579
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: where Dan walks through the different things he notices a

580
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: buck sign of a buck bed. But what can you

581
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: describe for you in your mind, the key things that

582
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 1: you look at to help you pinpoint Okay, yes this

583
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: is a buckbed, or yes this is a buck adding area.

584
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: Maybe just give a few examples in different scenarios, just

585
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: for people that maybe aren't as familiar. Sure, so, I

586
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: guess I would say I do kind of backwards from

587
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I find the deer and then

588
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: kind of work my work my way back through scouting

589
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: and glassing and trail cameras to where they are to

590
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: figure out where they are. It's not too often that

591
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: I'm scouting looking for a specific bed, because all too

592
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: often these these big ones don't leave big sign right

593
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: in their betting like this, this betting area where I

594
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: shot this buck out of in this point. There were

595
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: no rubs. Um. I mean I crawled all over there

596
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: just to look. I was curious. There were no rubs

597
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: from that bigger deer in there. Um. There there were

598
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: rubs from the deer I shot. You can tell he's

599
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: a little bit younger of a deer, but there was

600
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: nothing that really jumped out. UM. Bad question, it really.

601
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say I'm always looking for beds.

602
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm more so looking for the betting area. UM. In

603
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: Dan's situations, you have that one little high spot in

604
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: the cattails. I know I'm not. I guess now I'm

605
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: kind of being repetitive. You've got that high spots, you know, Hey,

606
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: that's that. But I'm looking for betting areas, whether they

607
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: be thick and overlooked or high stem count um areas

608
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: or um areas that aren't gonna get a lot of

609
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: human Trusia's something I'm always thinking about is where where

610
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: is your average guy going? And that's exactly where the

611
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: de're not going to be, the maturity are not going

612
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: to be. UM. I probably didn't answer that question in

613
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: a very good way, but it's it's it's tricky one

614
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: to answer without showing people. Yeah. Another thing I'll add

615
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: is a lot of times I'll jump a deer right

616
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: out of the bed and then hey, I know he

617
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: hung out there or he betted in that spot at

618
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: this time of the year, and then the next year

619
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: I'll go hunt that betting area, knowing that that he

620
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: uses that. It's a tricky one, Yeah, for sure. Do

621
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: you ever do that on purpose in season? I know

622
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: that some guys like the bump and dump idea. Whenever

623
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: you're going into a new place, do you ever get

624
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: purposefully aggressive, purposefully aggressive or so aggressive that you'll go

625
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: in there thinking, yeah, I might bump them out. But

626
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: if I do that, I know exactly where he's better

627
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: and I can make a play tomorrow or or something

628
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I've done that, but I can't I

629
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: can't think back to any success. But I know other

630
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: people have had success with it, So I've definitely I'd

631
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: rather be aggressive in a new area than be just

632
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: out of the game the whole time. So I've done that,

633
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: but I can't say I've had success around it. Yeah.

634
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: Have you ever done like the wind bumping thing that

635
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Dan does? Sometimes not in particular no, what what then

636
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: would you say when you're let's talk morning hunts in particular,

637
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: because because those are like I mentioned, especially you know

638
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: earlier in the season or later in the season can

639
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: be harder to pull off. How how do a lot

640
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: of your morning hunts look like at those times of

641
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: year when some guys say, don't hunt mornings at all

642
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: at that part of the season because they're a little

643
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 1: higher risk. Uh, they can just be a little more tricky.

644
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: Is it is it going to be something just like

645
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: the scenario already outlined in that hunt or are there

646
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: some other rules or kind of playbooks that you that

647
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: you follow. So that's I mean, that would be what

648
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: I would go for personally. Um, But a lot of

649
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: the deer I've killed in the morning where boy, a

650
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: lot of them they were coming in and I don't

651
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: know if it was the whole Jay Hug factor, whether

652
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: they're trying to come in and win their their bed.

653
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: But a lot of the deer I've killed in the

654
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: morning where at the very first light I could I

655
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: could see I'm thinking of two of them right now

656
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: that I could see, I could see them in front

657
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: of me before legal light, and eventually they work their

658
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: way around, and I was able to get a shot

659
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: on both the deer. I'm thinking of one of them

660
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: being November, one of them being UM late season, actually

661
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: two of them being late season. Usually I'm catching them

662
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: in the betting and working around UM. A lot of

663
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: times they know something is up, but they can't figure

664
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: it out, and they seem to just stall and try

665
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: and figure out what's going on, and usually gets light

666
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: and it's too late. Yeah, how early are you getting

667
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: in there on those kinds of hunts? I think if

668
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: I remember right that that hunt we were just talking about,

669
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: you were in there at least an hour beforehand, Is

670
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? I want to be set up and

671
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: sit in the dark quietly for an hour, so probably,

672
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, if it takes, I mean, give yourself extra

673
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: time and be at the base of the tree um

674
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: two hours before it's going to get late. And would

675
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: you do a hunt like that on any random day

676
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: or would have to be you know, a special set

677
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: of circumstances like you saw the buck and you've pinpoint

678
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: where you thought he was betting, or some kind of

679
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: conditions coming through us, a cold front or I don't know,

680
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: something like that that makes you think that you know

681
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: tomorrow morn is going to be a special morning. I

682
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: guess that really depends upon the circumstances. Um for the

683
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: most part, Like, I'm not I'm not like the kind

684
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: of guy that reads the moon just because I hunt

685
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: when I can hunt. I can't hunt all the time. Um,

686
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: obviously the wind has to work. The wind is huge.

687
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to get that wind away from them. Um,

688
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Like if you can create an obstacle, if you have

689
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: an obstacle, like in this particular situation, that this deer

690
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: coming in was not gonna jay hook me because he

691
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: would have to walk cross ways through the corn rolls.

692
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: And I just didn't see a buck every morning walking

693
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: for the whole summer. I just couldn't picture because it

694
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: was early season. I could picture of box walking through

695
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: the corner rolls cross ways. So that's a big thing,

696
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: is just getting that wind away from them. Yeah, what

697
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: would be I don't know if the answers that question,

698
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, speaking of that early season, Um, what are

699
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: you doing for the evening hunts? How are you? I

700
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: think I remember hearing you talk about there's some discussion

701
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: you're having about scouting and just how when it comes

702
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: to early season scouting. Oftentimes you're doing all the scouting

703
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: leading up to the first hunt, and the first hunter too,

704
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: and then it's all out the window because things have changed,

705
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: and then you have to re assess and adjust after

706
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: that pressure. Um is that to interpret that? Right? Is that?

707
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: Is that how you approach things early on? Yeah, very

708
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: much so, because you can have something all figured out

709
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: and the night before the season or the day of

710
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: the season, somebody goes in and sets up wrong and

711
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: has their wind blowing right into the betting area of

712
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: the deer after and then everything changes. So yeah, absolutely, yes,

713
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: So what are you doing leading up to the season.

714
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: Then what's that early season outing those final piece of

715
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: the puzzle look like. Yeah. So for for summer scouting, um,

716
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: it's a lot of running cameras in places that that

717
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: don't intrude. It's a lot of glassing, sitting back and glassing. Um.

718
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: One one secret that my buddies and I joke about.

719
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: I guess that isn't that big of a secret. But

720
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: if you can for glassing, if you can get out

721
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: of your truck and just walk one fence line back,

722
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: you're going to see so many more. Dear, than the

723
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: guy's driving around. I recognize a lot of the trucks

724
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: that are always driving around the summer glassing and they

725
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: never get another truck. And you talk to some of them,

726
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, I saw a twenty dollar last night,

727
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, did you see any antlers? And he's

728
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: like nope. And meanwhile, I was one fence line back

729
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: watching two booners. You know, I had that one year,

730
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: which is why I say that, Yeah, do you when

731
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: it comes to that, that glassing? How often? I feel

732
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: like this is one of those things that we hear

733
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: a lot about. We know like we should do, we

734
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: should glass, we should do we should scout more, we

735
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: should spend more time in the woodler in these places.

736
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: But I think there's like a disconnect between knowing you

737
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: should do that and what doing that actually entails. And

738
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: I was talking to my buddy Andy about this last

739
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: summer and I asked him, when you say you're doing

740
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: this whatever it was like some kind of scout, how

741
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: many times are you actually doing that? And he said

742
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: something like, well, I don't know, two or three times

743
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: every week for months leading up to the season or

744
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: something like that. Um, when you say you're doing this

745
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: early season scouting or something like that. You know, is

746
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: this a once a week thing? Is this? I mean,

747
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: is it once just before the season? Just helped flesh

748
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: with that? Actually looks like I'm guessing it's more than

749
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: just once. No, that's about correct. I would say it's

750
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: like I would almost say it's three or four times

751
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: a week. I don't know how having the little guys

752
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: going to impact that, but three or four times a

753
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: week and then that that week before. I always try

754
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: to adjust my work schedule to be able to last

755
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: every single night and see if I can get a

756
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: solid pattern on something. Um. Yeah, that's accurate. So what

757
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: happened year? What was the what was opening night like

758
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: last year for her? Yeah? So last year I had

759
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: a specific buck Um that I was watching and he

760
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: was he was moving through a spot. I was glassing him,

761
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: i should say, And he was moving through a spot

762
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: and there was a small little window that you could

763
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: catch him moving through. I would say, I was watching

764
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, a half mile back and the window

765
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: that you had to catch him moving through was like

766
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: twenty yards wide, So you had to just stare with

767
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: your eye through the spotting sculpt and you would catch

768
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: him at very last light. So and that's not a

769
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: huge tip about glassing. Most of the glassing I do

770
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: is fairly pointless until that last ten minutes light or so. Um.

771
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: But anyways, I was watching this specific deer and uh,

772
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: then opening night came along. The wind was completely wrong,

773
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: so I literally, um just kept driving around the block

774
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: watching to see what was going to happen in this

775
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: particular spot. And nobody was in any of the parking lots,

776
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: and I thought I was good, and then it was

777
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: it was getting late where you you wouldn't. I was

778
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: going to skip the night hunt and just wait and

779
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: then moving the next day, and it and the the suddenly

780
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: one guy pulled up and headed back with his wind

781
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: blowing straight into the betting area. So idove in. Um

782
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: again it was late, idolve in kind of put my

783
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: wind a little off to just kind of give it

784
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: a try, but I knew it kind of screwed up everything,

785
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: but I was still going to try it because the

786
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: spot was blown at that point. And what happened nothing thing. Yeah,

787
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: So then it was back to square one. After that,

788
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: you probably was often moved to either different timing as

789
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: far as when he moved or he adjusted, were able

790
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: to catch eyes on him or anything else after that, Yeah, yeah,

791
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: so he actually adjusted. Actually in the particular swamp, I

792
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: was running a number of wireless trail cameras, which I'm

793
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: not a big fan of doing that. I probably won't

794
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: do that anymore because it seems like the dear smell

795
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: something that isn't right, and they started wearing those those

796
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: trails with the cameras on them. But I was running

797
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: cameras in this particular swamp, and at one point I

798
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: think it gosh, I think it was, I don't know,

799
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: a few days later caught him going. I got a

800
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: picture of him, um going back to bed, the specific

801
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: buck going to back to bed, and I think it

802
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: was like twenty minutes before light. So I knew he

803
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: was really close and it was going to rain that afternoon.

804
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: So I ran that morning. I ran to the swamp

805
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: and I tried to follow through the swamp where that

806
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: deer because in the swamp you can kind of see

807
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: where where the mud gets pulled up onto the cat tails.

808
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: So I tried to follow my way back to where

809
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: he went because I knew it was going to be

810
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: in kind of one of two clusters and uh, then

811
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: the wind was just off that night. So I went

812
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: back home, grabbed all my gear, got in there, got

813
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: set up, and then the wind just started swirling. So

814
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: I think that buggered him completely that night, and that

815
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: was where that was where I got frustrated and kind

816
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: of switched gears and started looking at farm country. Um,

817
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: there was a different deer in the area that I

818
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: half heartedly paid attention to. He was a giant, and

819
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: some dude shot him, um over a bean or I

820
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: think it's corner beans. He tried him over a bean

821
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: field opening night on public land, and I was like, shoot,

822
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: I need to switch gears, get out of swamp. I'm

823
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: diving too deep. I'm making this too hard. And that's

824
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: what led me to the farm. Farm land. That's an

825
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 1: interesting point. That's another thing that I've heard you to

826
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: say before is sometimes the need to just completely switch

827
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: up your strategy. Like if you're getting frustrated, if this

828
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: one deer, this one thing is not working in a swamp,

829
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: then switch to the farm, or switch to hill country,

830
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: or switch to something else. Why why do you recommend

831
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: that kind of full scale pivot sometimes? Sure, So that's

832
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: when I would say I kind of learned from Andy.

833
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: I remember on a podcast, your podcast, actually, I believe

834
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: Andy was talking about how when he goes on these

835
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: out of state trips. I remember him saying, the deer

836
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: are there, you just have to figure out where they are.

837
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: And we don't have a ridiculous amount of deer. So

838
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: like in that scenario, I was pounding around in the

839
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: swamps and they were hard Most of the deer were

840
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: hardly in the swamps. So then when I saw this

841
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: guy shoot this other buck and post it up he

842
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: posted up on a report page, it kind of brought

843
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: me to the realization this buck was right out of

844
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: my nose in the crop fields, a fully mature, big

845
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: buck in the crop field. So you just you half

846
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: the deer are there. You have to find where they are.

847
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: What are they feeding on? Um? In there? I guess

848
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: what I'm learning is in the early season this particular swamp,

849
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: the deer aren't pushed into there yet. They don't need

850
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: to be in there yet because the pressure isn't hyped

851
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: up enough. So really finding where they are I don't

852
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: I can't say enough. It's that simple. I guess it's

853
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: funny as you're saying that, um, it makes me think

854
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: about the I don't know what you call it, like

855
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: the manic state I'm in during the hunting season when

856
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think through all those same things and

857
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, are they in this stuff or no,

858
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: they're in a totally different area, or what are they doing?

859
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: Or what's wrong here? I'm constantly you know, thinking, over thinking,

860
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: second guessing text and buddies seeing what they're seeing, trying

861
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: to apply that to what's going on by me, Uh,

862
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: what are you like during this season? I mean, what's

863
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: is this ship going through your mind twenty four hours

864
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: a day? Or can you turn it off? Or how

865
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: do you handle it? No, it is definitely twenty four

866
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: hours a day. It's it's I remember, And what happened

867
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: two so in last year was two thousand nineteen and

868
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. I ended up eating my tag because

869
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: I chased a specific buck around all year. And I

870
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: remember in the last week, the last two weeks of

871
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: the season in two thousand and eighteen, I went just

872
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: absolute crazy. I was manic. I remember I was hardly

873
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: sleeping because because we could shine till ten o'clock and

874
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: in the winter, ten o'clock is really late, so I

875
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: was I was shining like crazy, just trying to catch

876
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: a buck coming out of so well, I'm just going nuts.

877
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: And then I remember in uh, at the beginning of

878
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, I'm like, if I can apply that

879
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: attitude and that mentality to the first because I took

880
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: the first week of vacation for two thousand nineteen, I'm like,

881
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: if I can have that same attitude and that same craze,

882
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: I wonder what's gonna happen. So my I went crazy

883
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: the first week, and just like you said, yeah, it

884
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: eats you up, I do the I do the same

885
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: thing when it comes to one buck. I get one

886
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: buck in my mind, and it's usually the death of me,

887
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: and it's usually on like one small little property where

888
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm super limited, and I end up getting hung up

889
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: on him though, and throw all these other things rings

890
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: out the door because I'm just trying to get that one. Um,

891
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: how how do you handle just that? Because I know

892
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: I've heard you stay in the past that you end

893
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: up hunting specific bucks a lot. Do you where's your

894
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: head at some years I'm thinking, like, I'm not gonna

895
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: do that anymore. And then the next year just happens again.

896
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: What about you? Yeah, so I guess to flip back

897
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: on your real quick before I answer it. Part of

898
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: the problem I run into is we don't I mean,

899
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: we don't have a crazy amount of deer to go after,

900
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: which is why I'm so obsessed with that one dear.

901
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, is that the same for you? Or do

902
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: you have a fair amount of good deer you can

903
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: go after? So it is a little more like you

904
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: and that I've I've got usually just a couple small

905
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: properties that usually have like one good dear for sure,

906
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: maybe two like the best years, um some years. What

907
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: I what I usually have is like one or two

908
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: decent local spots, and then I travel like on a

909
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: state um, to a bunch of different places. So my

910
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: problem is probably that I don't have enough good local

911
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: spot to give me tons of options that that could

912
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: certainly be part of it, right right. And then the

913
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: thing you run into doing, which I did forever, is

914
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: you over hunt the heck out of him and blow

915
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: the deer out of there anyways that I've done way

916
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: too many times. Um. The big biggest thing I've learned

917
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: with that is just kind of sit back and be patient,

918
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: um and sometimes you just you don't even hunt, You

919
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: sit back in glass, or if the wind is completely wrong,

920
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: you don't even hunt because you you are so limited, um,

921
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: with that one specific deer. And then sometimes you just

922
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: have to get aggressive, if you like I wonder that

923
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: I was chasing for a while. Um. I posted up

924
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: pictures of him on Instagram for people that follow me.

925
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: He had double drop times, just trash everywhere. Yeah, he's

926
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: he's a freak. And I could not figure out what

927
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: that deer was doing. So I just dove in and

928
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: I ended up jumping him up. But that was when

929
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: I was We've all got those deer where we say,

930
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: if if I had known then what I know now,

931
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: that you will be dead and that that in that

932
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: particular case, when I jumped that deer up, I went

933
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: and did everything wrong. I was a young, um, crazy

934
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: kid that was excited and over outed it. Um. But

935
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: just sitting back and being patient and calculated and knowing

936
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: when to and when not to move in. What are

937
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: some of those things for you that I mean it's

938
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: time to move in? Like what are the green light

939
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: signs for you to to swing for the fences? Sure?

940
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: So just seeing him shining, um, seeing him, catching him

941
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: moving across the field like I did with this in

942
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: this particular situation with the one I killed that year. Um.

943
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes a rumor, I'll hear a rumor from somebody. Um. Yeah,

944
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: the basics, shining trail cameras of visual just seeing him.

945
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: So talk, let's talk a little more about the shining thing.

946
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: Um because because I know that I've heard from Wisconsin

947
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 1: a lot of folks seem to do that since it's

948
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: it's legal there. Um and and probably plenty more states

949
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: too that I just don't know. Um, how why the

950
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: net do you cast? I guess you could even apply

951
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: this to you know, glassing from Afar too. You know,

952
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: if you think that there's a buck in a certain area,

953
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: or maybe it's just a property of permission on our

954
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: piece of public that you can hunt. Like how wide

955
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: a zone do you go outside of that core where

956
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: you think something's happening with your either glassing or shining

957
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: at night? Like, what's that circumference? To give you a circumference?

958
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: It would be tricky, I would say, from the moment

959
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I turned the spotlight on till the moment I turn

960
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: it off and head back to my house. It's usually

961
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: only like a half hour shining mission. So I'm just

962
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: checking spots from checking fields. Um, there's certain little spots

963
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: where the some of the more maturity or you can

964
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: actually catch them in little crevices moving through out to food. Um.

965
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: The big deer I've learned too. I mean they'll eat

966
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: right on the edge of a field and when they

967
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: hear your car coming down the road, they cross the

968
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: road before you even get there and cut back in

969
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: the coverage. I've tried a lot of different things, from

970
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: driving fast and clicking on the light to see just

971
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: different things like that I've learned over time. UM yeah,

972
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: I UM. This isn't related shining, But when it comes

973
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: to glassing, I do a lot of the truck driving

974
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: stuff too. And um, I went from having a silver

975
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: truck to a black truck, and for some reason I

976
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: found that the black truck spooked deer a whole lot

977
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: more so in the future. I just got a new truck.

978
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: It's black again. I guess I didn't think that one through.

979
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: But is it? Do you think it could be a

980
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: louder exhaust or louder tires or something. Sounds definitely that's possible.

981
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: That's possible to I don't. I can't say that I

982
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: recall it being dramatically different, but it's certainly possible. Um.

983
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, it was just it was dramatic.

984
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: I used to be able to get away with you know,

985
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: being a couple hundred yards away and these bucks, you know,

986
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 1: would be okay, I don't know, three hundred four hundred

987
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: yards out there at the back of the field. But

988
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: with a new truck that I got. This was I

989
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: don't know, six years ago when I got that one. Um,

990
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: it just went. I would pull up, stop and bam,

991
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: they're gone. So, like you were saying, I started trying

992
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: all sorts of different things. I would just do the

993
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: do the roll by so you see them, you think

994
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: lots of good buck. But instead of stopping, you just

995
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: keep on driving and then you come around the block

996
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: or something, or you do a turnaround and then you

997
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: just then you creep just where you can get and

998
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: look past the trees or something and see him. Um. Yeah,

999
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: it's interesting trying to do these different things. What about

1000
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: What about This is another one I always wonder about

1001
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: because you described how just getting off the road and

1002
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: getting back one fence or you can see so much

1003
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: more I constantly have this inner debate in the summer

1004
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: when I'm thinking, Okay, I could either do that, but

1005
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm committed to that one field and I'm stuck and

1006
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: that's all and sees this one spot. Or I can

1007
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: cover a ton of ground in a much bigger space

1008
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: and check off, you know, a whole a lot more potential. Yes,

1009
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: no type of areas like okay, that's where he is,

1010
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: that's where he's not that kind of thing. Um, do

1011
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: you ever do the I guess what am I trying

1012
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: to say is do you always commit to one spot

1013
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: like that and get back off the road or do

1014
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: you sometimes try to cover a bunch of stuff on

1015
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: the car? Or how do you balance those two things?

1016
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: If you do off? Yeah, I would say my glassing

1017
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: is kind of a there's always a little tweak almost

1018
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: every night, a little adjustment until I do lock onto

1019
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: a certain deer, and then I'll sit at time and

1020
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: time again. Now with the glassing, I would say I

1021
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: treat it just like hunting where Um, when you're walking,

1022
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: you want to make sure your wind is not blowing

1023
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: into wherever they're coming out of um. When you're where

1024
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: you're walking, you don't if you're sitting and glassing in

1025
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: a spot that two hours later the deer got to

1026
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: come through and smell where you sat there and glassed.

1027
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't glass there. I mean, I'm trying to glass

1028
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: in spots where it's it might be along a hiking

1029
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: trail or along a tractor lane where there's human scent. Anyways,

1030
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to not make it, not make it obviously

1031
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: these deer that they're being watched. I've made that mistake before.

1032
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: Or I would sit up on top of a hill

1033
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: and a half hour later after I left, they walked

1034
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: right where I was on top of the hill and

1035
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: they realized something's up, and dear seasons on right exactly.

1036
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: There's no they don't know you're not hunting yet, right exactly. Yeah. Yeah,

1037
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: that's a tricky one trying to figure out. One of that.

1038
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: One of those light switched things for me was understanding

1039
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: the value of observing and learning and scouting and how

1040
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: that's just as important, if not more so, than actual

1041
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: hunt hunts. You know, do you do do you do

1042
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: that with observation stand kind of hunts at all? A

1043
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: little bit? Yeah, I would say a little bit. I know,

1044
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: I know some guys will go really really light, so

1045
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: just observation stands until they get the exact until they

1046
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: need and then they get super aggressive with it and

1047
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: they then they just strike hard. Then but most of

1048
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: their season of observe, observe, observe and then strike hard.

1049
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: And then there's other guys who have and and maybe

1050
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: this is how you might describe Dan, maybe not, but

1051
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: he you would say that they have a whole bunch

1052
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: of good spots scouted out and then they just go

1053
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: harden this one and then blow it up or kill.

1054
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: They go harden the next one, blow it up or

1055
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: kill hard, and the next one blow it up for kill.

1056
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: How would you describe your like if I had, if

1057
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: you had to generically describe your approach in that way,

1058
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: would yours be? But I think I think it would

1059
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: be a combination of both. If for those nights when

1060
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: I get frustrated I don't know where to set up,

1061
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: I'll fall back on old bedding areas and just go

1062
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: for broke um. And then there's those other times where

1063
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm I feel like I'm onto a specific deer, We're

1064
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: I'll sit back and watch and then move in and

1065
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: pick the cherry. So to speak, um with that late

1066
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: muzzleloader buck that you killed last year? Is that a

1067
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: good example a little bit of how you hunt one

1068
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: specific buck because I think if I remember, you had

1069
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: a history of that deer and you were kind of

1070
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: working on or is that right? Yeah? Yeah, that that

1071
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: was a deer I wanted to kill. There was one

1072
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: that was one other one that was potentially in the

1073
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: area that I was more interested in, but I didn't

1074
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: know if it was alive yet, So I wasn't going

1075
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: to stack all my eggs in that basket. I knew

1076
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: this one was alive, um from a sighting, but I

1077
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: didn't know or from a trail camp picture actually is

1078
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: what it was? Um? But yeah, so so can you

1079
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: walk me through then basically your whole experien adriance with

1080
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: that deer and what I'm leading to kill um eventually? Yeah,

1081
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: so that dear, I want to say it was two

1082
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen. He ended up being four years old

1083
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: based on all the pictures in history I had with him.

1084
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: But I got my This one's kind of a confusing

1085
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: one to explain because I got my first picture ever

1086
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: of this year. He always had a split G three

1087
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: on the one side, and I got my first picture

1088
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: ever of them UM near one swamp, middle of the night. UM.

1089
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: And then that same winter when I got that picture

1090
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: of that same same time of the year, I also

1091
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: was getting pictures of him in a different swamp. UM.

1092
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: And that was kind of the end of that. And

1093
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: then two thousand eighteen rolled around and Uh, he popped

1094
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: back up in the main swamp where I hunted him.

1095
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: And I'd love to give you the names of the

1096
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: swamp so I can make the story better, but I

1097
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't keep that under red, right, So he popped back up. UM.

1098
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: I chased him around a little bit. I was. I

1099
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: got pictures of him UM in two thousand and eighteen

1100
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: during the Muzzli season, multiple mornings in a role coming

1101
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: back to UM, coming back to bed, and I was

1102
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: actually I actually ended up shooting uh huck. I wasn't

1103
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: sure which bucket was. I just saw the rack on

1104
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: his head. But when I was hunting him in two

1105
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, I ended up shooting a different one UM

1106
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: in that exact betting area. He still one question started

1107
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: to interrupt, But these cameras that you're picking up pictures

1108
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: of them going back to bed, what what kind of

1109
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: camera setups were those, And I mean, like, where where

1110
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: were you setting these cameras up to get that kind

1111
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: of info? Just down trails and the cat tails, So okay,

1112
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: so you're back in the swampy stuff yep, and and

1113
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: a lot like that specific camera was not a wireless one,

1114
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: so I uh, that intel I received after everything happened,

1115
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: But but I still went. It was actually right after

1116
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: everything happened, so and I still went and hunted it,

1117
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: hoping he would do it again and end up shooting

1118
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: that other one. But with the the one thing I'll

1119
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: say with those, So I've got wireless trail cameras now,

1120
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: and I keep getting pictures of them one time and

1121
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: then I'll never get the picture again. And this winter

1122
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: I had one where I got a picture of a

1123
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: new uck. He was looking right at the camera, had

1124
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: the camera hidden well, and then um, I went out

1125
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: in the snow to retrieve the camera. I had the

1126
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: one picture of him. And then when I retrieved the camera,

1127
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: he started literally just going around the back of the

1128
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: camera through some really thick stuff. The camera was kind

1129
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: of in a funnel, but he purfectly you could he

1130
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: had a hell of a rub line going through some

1131
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: thick stuff just avoiding that camera. And the one thing

1132
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: I noticed when I walked up to that camera, I

1133
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: have like a python cable on it. As I was

1134
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: on strapping it from the tree, I could smell the

1135
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: rubber from that Python cable. So, and maybe I'm being

1136
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: a little crazy, but those I mean, it's not every

1137
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: day there's that smell of rubber in the middle of

1138
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: a swamp like that. So I don't know if that

1139
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, something's not right about this. It

1140
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: wasn't big enough of a danger to completely leave the swamp,

1141
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: but it just bothered him. So for people to consider, yeah, interesting, Okay,

1142
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: so you've got this, these cameras back there and the

1143
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: cat tails. You're getting a few pictures and this this

1144
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: is your muzzle er season is in December or November?

1145
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: When is it? Yeah, it ended up landing at the beginning.

1146
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: I think it was the second week in December. I

1147
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: could be wrong on that. It ended up being nice

1148
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: and late, which was good because then you've got the

1149
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: cold weather working in your favor, and it landed right

1150
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: on that second rout as people call it. I'm not

1151
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: a not an expert on all those phases and stuff,

1152
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: but when all the fonds come into heat, and I've

1153
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: done pretty well with those fonds and those late doors

1154
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: coming into heat over the years. But yeah, he he

1155
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: was actually the buck that I was catching in the

1156
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: summer moving through, and he was the buck that that

1157
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: other guy kind of messed up. Um, And that was

1158
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: a buck I really wanted to chase around. But then

1159
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: obviously I filled my tags, so I just really kept

1160
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: tabs on him with trail cameras, and I the entire

1161
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: archery and gun season, I confirmed that he was still

1162
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: in that swamp, still holding up in there, and then uh,

1163
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: guns season, I dove into their opening morning. Actually my

1164
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: cousin wanted to go along, so I took him in

1165
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: there and he actually he had a nice eight point

1166
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: come through that he shot, and he was pretty jacked

1167
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: about that because it's a little little different style of

1168
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: hunting for him. Um. And then I think with all

1169
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: that commotion that morning, UM, I don't know exactly what happened,

1170
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: if he he was still in there or moved over,

1171
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: what happened, But my plan was going to be with

1172
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: the muzzleloader was I was just gonna work my way

1173
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: through that swamp kind of um in a line morning

1174
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: after morning and catch him moving through. UM, so that

1175
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: I took vacation that I want to say. It was

1176
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: like the last five days of muzzleloader season, and that

1177
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: first morning I set up, didn't hear anything. It was horrible.

1178
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: There was like a half inch of ice, so as

1179
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: you went through there it would break you break through

1180
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: and then smash your shins on the ice. So it

1181
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: was horrible. Glad it ended quickly. UM. So then I

1182
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: hunted that morning and then I spent the whole day.

1183
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: It's a huge swamp and I we had a fresh snow,

1184
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 1: so I made an entire circle around that whole swamp.

1185
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: Took many hours to do just looking for I didn't

1186
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: know exactly what his track looked like, but I was

1187
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: looking for a big track because again, like I said,

1188
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: there's not that many mature bucks in the area, so

1189
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: if there was, if I found a big track, it

1190
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: was more than likely going to be him. Um. I

1191
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: didn't find any that really piqued my interest, so I

1192
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: went and uh. I went and sat at the at

1193
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: the other swamp, the initial swamp where I got the

1194
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: very first to of him, just to watch the doors

1195
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: come out and kind of just chill for the night

1196
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: and hang out and wait for the next morning and

1197
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: continue my strategy of just working through in the mornings.

1198
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: And uh, like I've said many times, I had all

1199
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: these doors come out and I looked in the back

1200
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: of the field and I, um, he actually he lost

1201
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: that split G three. He's got real short G two.

1202
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: And I remember looking in the back of the field

1203
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: and seeing the really short G twos on a big

1204
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: buck that looked out of place, and I was My

1205
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: mind was blown, and I shot him right there. So

1206
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: it was kind of a situation where sometimes it's just

1207
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: as helpful to know where he's not at then where

1208
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: he is right being able to check something off this

1209
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: is important too. Yeah, absolutely, And and that was one

1210
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: of the things I talked about in the video. I

1211
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen that that the Hunting Beast

1212
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: video over on YouTube. And I was kind of telling

1213
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: Andy May I'm like, yeah, I got lucky, and he's like, no,

1214
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: you didn't. He said to me, that's exactly what he's

1215
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: seen time after time. Is you get a deer that'll

1216
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: maybe go back to a certain area at a certain

1217
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: time of the year to check on a group of

1218
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: doors and they'll they'll do a year after year for

1219
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: a short little window. And he told me, he's like,

1220
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: you caught him in that window, and I was like,

1221
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: no o kidding. So that was a big learning experience

1222
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: for me. So yeah, I've experienced the same kind of things.

1223
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: And one example was this buck that um I only

1224
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: would see him show up in December, and he showed

1225
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: up once a year. He showed up once in December,

1226
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: on December fifth or sixth or seventh, something like that

1227
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen, and then in two thousand and

1228
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: seventeen he showed up once a little later in December,

1229
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: and then in two thousand eighteen he showed it back

1230
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: up on the farm much earlier. He showed up in

1231
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: early November, and I had a bunch of close calls

1232
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: with him in early November, but then he disappeared again.

1233
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: But I kept thinking, Man, if we get to that

1234
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: first week or so of December, you know, he seems

1235
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: to that's when historically he's come back, and so I

1236
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: was hoping for that and was trying to do some

1237
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: long distance scouting in Lo and behold, I think it

1238
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: was December five. I think was the day or eighth,

1239
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: fifth or eighth, and there he was second rock kind

1240
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: of thing, just like you described. He was chasing a

1241
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: doll and I killed him that night. So so yeah,

1242
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of things like that too. It's

1243
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: it's it's very it's very true. It's weird. It's weird

1244
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: that they have these kinds of annual cycles of sorts. Um.

1245
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: But it was that that big point, that big. I

1246
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: think it was a thick, heavy time point that you

1247
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: have for a lot. You got it for like a

1248
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: lot of different profile pictures. Yeah, yeah, he was. He's

1249
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: the really big one in Michigan that I got a

1250
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: few years ago. Yeah. Yeah, that thing is a tank.

1251
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I always kill that one. I never I'll

1252
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 1: be honest, I never dove in deep enough to figure

1253
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: out how you killed him. Yeah, he's uh, he was.

1254
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: He was an unexpected buck. You don't see man like

1255
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: that around here. So it was it was cool. Orto. Yeah,

1256
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: that was beautiful, dear. Yeah. Um, so okay, that's kind

1257
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: of interesting. You've got a couple of hunts last year

1258
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: that your past history in these places, years of studying them,

1259
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: years of scouting. Lad to you getting the kills that

1260
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: early season, that late season buck. But then you've got

1261
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: these two hunts smack dab in the middle of that

1262
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: in Michigan and Ohio where you were hunting brand new

1263
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: places and you were able to kill a buck. And

1264
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: I think that's I think last year your season was

1265
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: impressive regardless, but the fact that you've got two kills

1266
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: in that kind of scenarre and then two kills and

1267
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: brand new spots, that that makes it really interesting. UM.

1268
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: I can't and we can't have this conversation and not

1269
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: talk about your Michigan hunt right um, right here in

1270
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: my right here in my home state. Uh, do you

1271
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: want to talk to me about how you guys approached

1272
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: trying to break down your strategy there in Michigan. Um,

1273
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: I know you guys had tough conditions a lot different

1274
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: things like that, but but walk me through some of

1275
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: the challenges and in ajas as you guys broke things

1276
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: down over the course of that early season hunt. Sure.

1277
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: So with the with the Michigan hunt, it started by

1278
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: just kind of reaching out to people and learning where

1279
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: the decent area were where people were killing um different deer,

1280
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: and uh, we kind of ended up nailing down two

1281
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: different spots that were, um, one was an hour north

1282
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: of camp and one was an hour south of camp,

1283
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: so kind of putting them two hours apart. Um. But

1284
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: what the spot I ended up killing was a spot

1285
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: where a local guy said, Hey, my buddy goes in

1286
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: there every year. He shoots a hundred inch buck every year.

1287
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: And my thinking around that was, if if somebody can

1288
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: go into a spot in a public land spot to

1289
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: hundred buck in Michigan every year, that's where we need

1290
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: to be. That sounds great to me. It's a good

1291
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: spot in Michigan if it's doing that. What's that? I said,

1292
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: it's a good spot for around here if that's the case. Yeah, yeah,

1293
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: absolutely was gonna say did you know where it was?

1294
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, So we dove into this particular spot

1295
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: and uh what it was. To describe it is it

1296
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: was it's kind of a high ridge, um, a high

1297
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: long ridge, and most of it was woods, but at

1298
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: kind of the one end of the ridge there was

1299
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: a sybean field and usually the back of the ridge

1300
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: there there wasn't a accessible trail that most people would

1301
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: come up and they would kind of um get into

1302
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: the back where actually all the good betting was. But

1303
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: what we ended up having was all that flooding. The

1304
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: flooding I would say, put the water on that trail

1305
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: like belly belly button deep when it was at its highest.

1306
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: You probably saw that in the videos. So it actually

1307
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: cut everybody off from coming in that one way. So

1308
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: we we ran into all these deer out in this field.

1309
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: Actually mid day, we ran into some dose in this

1310
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: bean field, and we're like, if if this is gonna

1311
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: be this simple, if these deer are gonna be eating

1312
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: out here in the middle of the day, let's start

1313
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: by hunting the field. So we hunted the field edge.

1314
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: UM that first night, Jake and I saw that two

1315
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: and a half year old buck and that smaller buck

1316
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: out there, and the way hunted the field edge a

1317
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: few more times, UM had a lot of different weird

1318
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: things happened, and you could tell that our pressure was

1319
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: starting to affect the deer. So we decided we needed

1320
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: to work start working our way into the cover, not

1321
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: knowing exactly where the betting was. And this is where

1322
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: that debate kind of came in that we had with

1323
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: that I had with Dan. They were actually accessing the

1324
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: field in two different spots. They were kind of coming

1325
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: out of two different betting areas, and I think happened

1326
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: as we burned the betting area where Dan had seen

1327
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: a big buck come out of. We haunted that, and

1328
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 1: then we were starting to hunt the spot where I

1329
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: believe the deer were coming from. And that first night

1330
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: when we dove in the cover, we had those guys

1331
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: come through, ripped down all our equipment, and we we

1332
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: went further back in deep. And the biggest thing I

1333
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: guess if I could explain to a guy as to

1334
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: what we were looking for, is as we headed back

1335
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: through the woods, it was very open. I mean you

1336
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: could I think you could see almost a hundred yards

1337
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: with with the leaves on, and it was very open

1338
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: like that. And we got to a point where it

1339
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: got really thick or high stem count. And right at

1340
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: the beginning of that really thick we jumped up dear

1341
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: that took off, and I remember that bed was just

1342
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: war to the dirt, and that was really really started

1343
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: to slow things down. I remember I was kind of

1344
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: going crazy going fast and Jake's like, we gotta slow

1345
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: down right here. I'm like, yeah, you're right. Was being

1346
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of a back seat driver there. I thought, Yeah,

1347
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: I guess it depends where the rules are. But I

1348
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: was cool with it. But you know, sometimes you get

1349
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: all fired up and uh, you go too deep. I

1350
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: do that way too often. That was and I guess

1351
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: I could back pedal a little bit. There was our

1352
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: first night or second night we hunted some frag mights

1353
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: believe they are called, and there was a buck that

1354
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: I just don't wag too deep in on. The sign

1355
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: was so obvious. Um, but I just don't way too deep.

1356
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: And that's what you think that that's a benefit of

1357
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: me being able to with Dan as I can have

1358
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: him say, hey, why the hell are you diving in

1359
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: so deep? That's stupid and you get it in your

1360
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: head real quick. Okay, So before we go to further, though,

1361
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta help me understand that thought process

1362
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: in your head, because that right there is one of

1363
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: like the big differentiators I think for a lot of

1364
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: people is knowing when to when to keep going, when

1365
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: to stop. A lot of us are guilty of one

1366
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: of going too far one of either way. So a

1367
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: lot of us are so nervous to blow dear out.

1368
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: This is how I was for a long time. I

1369
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: was so worried to spook dear that I would never

1370
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: go far enough. And then you get the opposite where

1371
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: you want to be aggressive. You want to be aggressive,

1372
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: and so you do what you just describe, where you

1373
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: push in there so hard and blow everything out and

1374
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: you need someone to kind of knock up the side

1375
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: of ahead and say, well, what are you doing? Um, yes,

1376
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: walk me through how you try to do that or

1377
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: how Dan has maybe shown different situations where he said, hey,

1378
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: this is this is when you got to stop anything

1379
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: like that. Stand out that you could help us kind

1380
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: of illustrate it with. Yeah, so I get in that

1381
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: particular situation, Um boy, I guess just to say that

1382
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: he yelled at me. He's like you because he'd seen

1383
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: me do it multiple times, and he's like you, you

1384
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: don't have to dive in so deep. And I think

1385
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: I always had this growing up. I always had this

1386
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,959
Speaker 1: mentality that I was going to outwork every other hunter

1387
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: in the area, and I was going to go deeper,

1388
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: and I was going to go in spots where nobody

1389
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: was willing. And sometimes it's not not that you make

1390
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: it too difficult, right, So it if you have if

1391
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: you can find a friend that's a better hunter than

1392
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: you and get him to go along with you. And

1393
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: I guess that's another technical in and of itself. I've

1394
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 1: got a few buddies that I've literally just met because

1395
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: you start seeing him posting these big bucks on social

1396
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: media and you reach out to him and you don't

1397
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: develop a relationship, and pretty soon you're scouting with him

1398
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: and you're learning things from them and they're learning things

1399
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: from you, and uh, that's that's huge. There's a few

1400
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: kinks out of my system that have been worked out

1401
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: by Dan over the years saying hey, why are you

1402
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: doing that? And uh, that's huge. You's got to be

1403
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: able to take that feedback. Yeah, the second set of

1404
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: eyes can can be super helpful. Especially it's so easy

1405
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: to just to see things the way you always see them,

1406
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: right right. Eventually, just you don't notice certain things because

1407
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: you've always kind of done in a certain way, or

1408
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: when a new person comes in all of a sudden,

1409
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: something will stand out so easily that you just took

1410
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: for granted, right. I mean, it's a great, great point

1411
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: to add on to that. I've got to I've got

1412
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: a buddy, Jordan's um He's He's one guy you should

1413
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: try and get on here. He's he tries to be

1414
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: a little more silent, but I bet you could get

1415
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: him out here. But he's talk Yeah, he's he's strictly

1416
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: a swamp hunter. He only hunts from the ground. I

1417
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: talked to him to buying a tree stand. But I

1418
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: got to know him because he was posting these giants

1419
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: that he was killing in the cat tails from the ground,

1420
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: and I kind of message him, like what are you doing?

1421
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: And we developed the relationship that way, and he came

1422
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: he came out and hunt. Excuse me, he came out

1423
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: and scouted a spot with me on a buck that

1424
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out. And I remember we're

1425
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: hardly in the swamp. And the first thing he pointed

1426
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: out to me is you get these swamps on these

1427
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: trails with the dogwood and uh, just the I don't know,

1428
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: the vegetation that's not very big around. And if you

1429
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: look really close, these bucks when they go through the

1430
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: dogwood and stuff is so soft that they will sometimes

1431
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: pull their antlers through the dogwood. And if you look,

1432
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: you can catch little knicks on the dogwood. And he

1433
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: was pointing out he's like, so you can tell he

1434
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: would went down this trail because of all the knicks

1435
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: and the dogwood, and there's just these these tiny little knicks,

1436
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, no kidding, and it was just

1437
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: it's such a such a simple thing that I've I've

1438
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: never seen. I walked past a thousand times, so I

1439
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: always wondered what sign I'm missing like that, But just

1440
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: that one little experience kind of change the game for

1441
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: me because it's something I look for now, and it's

1442
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: something that I can add into my pack of now. Yeah.

1443
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: So okay, so you're working your way down this ridge

1444
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: and there's this transition from the open hardwoods to this

1445
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: thicker stem count, and I think that's that's definitely an

1446
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: obvious change in habitat. I'm gonna start slowing down and

1447
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: write a lot of Okay, now we get to change.

1448
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: But then it's finding that spot within the spot. That's

1449
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: always the real trick, you know. Do you go right

1450
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: in the edge of it, do you go fifty yards

1451
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: into it? Do you go until you see a rubber

1452
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: or scrape or a bed? How do you how do

1453
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: you approach that? And in this case, you you have

1454
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: Jake who kind of told you to tap the brakes,

1455
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 1: But what are you thinking about as you move through there.

1456
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: So shootability, I guess it's a big one for me.

1457
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you don't want to go too far

1458
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: be too short, but you also really need that spot

1459
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: where you can when they do come through, you can

1460
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: get a shot. So we had the tree we ended

1461
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: up picking. We we didn't go far in because when

1462
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: we looked at on X, you could tell that you

1463
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: couldn't really go much further before you were going to

1464
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: run out of that point and you were going to

1465
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: be into water. So we didn't want to go too

1466
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: far in. But then at that point it was being

1467
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: able to shoot as much to the left and as

1468
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: much to the right as possible, but also having in

1469
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: that situation we had our wind blowing out over the

1470
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: water and kind of behind us at an angle, and

1471
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: knowing where our wind was because it was a point

1472
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: where if the deer would get too far to our

1473
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: right they would wind us. That was that was kind

1474
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: of a situation with that. And so describe the spot

1475
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: you picked him in. What happened there? Yeah, So that

1476
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: particular spot. Um. One thing that was interesting about it

1477
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: is we we kind of were right in the betting area.

1478
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say we were on the edge of it.

1479
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: We were right in it, and uh they were actually

1480
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: uh polk trees right in the betting area with acorns dropping.

1481
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: And I remember turning to Jake and I said, we're

1482
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: right in the thick of this. I'm like, anything could

1483
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: happen at any time, because the deer when they were

1484
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: making it out to the field, they're getting out there

1485
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: really early, and we were quite ways into the timber.

1486
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, so anything could move at any second. And

1487
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 1: I remember looking over and seeing this buck standing there

1488
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: and slapping the back of the tree because I think

1489
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: he was staring at I think I was moving around

1490
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, not quite down yet because we

1491
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: just got in there. And then like there's a buck

1492
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: right there, and uh, from there it was it's kind

1493
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: of a rodeo. The buck zig zig left and right,

1494
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: and he was at like forty yards and then thirty

1495
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: two yards. There was a point where I thought, man,

1496
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: this year, he's sitting and feeding on this oak. At

1497
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: what point does he say that he's not gonna say anything,

1498
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 1: But at what point does he realize that he's content

1499
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: and full and he's going to go back to his

1500
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: bed and lay down and walk out of my life forever.

1501
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta make this shot work. And I had,

1502
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: unfortunately had my range finder with me and I clicked

1503
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: it at thirty two and uh letters sail and I

1504
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: felt like it was a little far back and a

1505
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: little high, but he ran and rolled and it was

1506
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. It was. You know, one thing that was

1507
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: cool about that hunt, too, is we always talked about

1508
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: that the first buck you killed, the excitement of the

1509
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: first buck you killed, because there's no standard for you know,

1510
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're not going in there try to

1511
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: kill the biggest buck in the world. You just want

1512
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: to kill a buck. That was kind of like what

1513
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: that was. And I was so freaking jack because I

1514
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: didn't care what it was. I mean, I didn't want

1515
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: to shoot a pork buck, but to have a nice

1516
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: racked buck, I I was. It was like kind of

1517
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: like my first block all over again. You could probably

1518
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: see in the video, Yeah, you were pumped. Um. So

1519
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,839
Speaker 1: that was just simply because of you know, the challenge

1520
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: inherent in a new place and Michigan public Land being

1521
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: particularly tricky for a lot of folks. All that made

1522
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: it probably especially for failing, right, Yeah, exactly, yeah, and

1523
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: then you got a camera over your shoulder. You feel

1524
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: like people are watching. Do you how do you feel

1525
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: about that whole thing? Does that? Does that get to you?

1526
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: Do you get do you feel that added pressure? So

1527
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: for for the public land challenge, yeah, just because it

1528
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: is a challenge, and I'm a very very competitive person,

1529
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: so absolutely it does. For my regular hunting. When I'm

1530
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: self filming, this maybe sounds crazy, but I feel like

1531
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: it helps me um focus on something else rather than

1532
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: get anxious and get nerves. It's I don't know, I

1533
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: love it. I love self filming. It's I've had Even

1534
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I would forget to bring the

1535
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: video camera and I would run a mile back to

1536
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: the truck and go get the camera just because I

1537
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: just had to have in the treat. What if something happened,

1538
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: I think that I'm film right. Yeah, it's funny you

1539
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: say that. I That's that's how I ended end up being.

1540
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: Most of the time. I hate the pain in the

1541
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: butt of like getting it all set up when I'm

1542
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: in the tree and then taking it down, especially the

1543
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: end of the night. I just want to like sneak

1544
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: out quite I hate having to mess around with stuff

1545
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: and jingle jingle things my backpack or whatever it might

1546
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: be that, you know, just having extra gear entail sometimes

1547
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 1: so the couple times when I don't bring it, I'm like, oh,

1548
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: this is nice. But then you see a nice buck

1549
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: and you can never look back at it again, and

1550
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 1: then that kills me. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, So that public

1551
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: land Challenge in Michigan, you killed, you know, on that

1552
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: tough situation in Michigan, and it panned out. Now I

1553
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: wanna before hearing about your final hunt, or at least

1554
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: the other hunt I know about in two thousand nineteen,

1555
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: I want to rewind the tape back to two thousand

1556
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: eighteen to the other public land challenge you were part of.

1557
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: This is Minnesota, and you had success on that trip

1558
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: as well, and I wanted to talk to you a

1559
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: little bit about that because because you guys are doing

1560
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: this kind of island hopping kind of thing during that one,

1561
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: and I was curious to hear a little bit more

1562
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: about that particular hunt and then any other times you've

1563
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: done this, because I think for a lot of guys,

1564
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: the hunting swampy areas, cattail swamps whatever. Here in Michigan,

1565
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of stuff where there are those islands, UM,

1566
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear kind of how you guys approached

1567
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: it in that case or any other situations you've you've

1568
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: seen where you have targeted these islands as as buck areas,

1569
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: buckbetting areas or anything like that, and how you approach them,

1570
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: how you set up all that stuff would be would

1571
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: be interesting. Sure, so I can speak to kind of

1572
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: the approaching the set up, but I personally, I don't

1573
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: really have that sort of terrain. By me, we don't

1574
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: really have um Oak islands and the very few that

1575
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: we do, actually last year I went in and looked

1576
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: at one in the summer and it had UM. There's

1577
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: like two or three different trill cameras on the one

1578
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: guy had a note on his troll camera saying please

1579
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: don't steal this, and there was a mini it is

1580
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: the whole thing, And I'm like, this is ridiculous. And

1581
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if that video kind of broke the

1582
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 1: theal on islands island honey, because the video really did

1583
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: make it look so simply hunt the islands ki, but

1584
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: that that hunt was actually a result of UM being

1585
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: the guy willing to UM work like crazy for it

1586
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: because we ended up going three miles back and carrying

1587
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: a ton of crap on my back, the camera, the

1588
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: camera arm. Um, so it really did work out that way.

1589
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: The big thing that we learned her I learned on

1590
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: those islands is you if you say the island is

1591
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: kind of long like a peninsula, and you start by

1592
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: setting up at the beginning of the island, that better

1593
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: be your best fit. Because later in the night that

1594
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: I'm interrupted, Joe, sorry, we gotta we gotta take one

1595
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: step back before this and and just I got to

1596
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: hear the basic gist of like what this habitat or

1597
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: what the scenaire looks like for people that aren't familiar

1598
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: with the video who haven't seen kind of example maps

1599
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: and stuff you showed. Um, I think correct me if

1600
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: I'm wrong here, But we're basically talking about big cat

1601
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 1: Tail swamp with isolated high ground islands in the middle

1602
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: of that that have oak trees on them and a

1603
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: series of those scattered throughout. Is that right or would

1604
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: you describe it any other way? Yep, You're You're exactly correct. Okay,

1605
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: So that's just want to make sure we have the

1606
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: right picture in everyone's minds. Now, continue yep. So it

1607
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: was a matter of really just hopping those islands and

1608
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: kind of working your way back through them. Um. The

1609
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: thing I will say this is where I really got

1610
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: really good at reading sign was I would get onto

1611
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: the islands and I would say I think the sign

1612
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: might be old, and then I could turn the down

1613
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: and say, hey, what do you think about this? He's like, yep,

1614
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: the sign is all this is this guard wage. We

1615
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: need to keep moving. So and the sign too. It

1616
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: might just be the scrapes and the dirt are getting dry.

1617
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: There's no fresh pooh um that you can tell. The

1618
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: acorns haven't dropped in a while. So we worked our

1619
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: way through the islands. The island that I ended up

1620
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: killing on, I believe the furthest one back there. Uh

1621
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: in those clusters of islands. When I got to that island,

1622
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: it was it just screamed at me. There was fresh

1623
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: poop um. There were scrapes where you could you could

1624
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: tell where he dug his claws, and it was still wet,

1625
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: it hadn't even dried, so I knew there was something

1626
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: back there. Um. And then so you kind of it's

1627
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: a tricky game because if you go, if you run

1628
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 1: all the way to the back of the island, assuming

1629
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: the betting is off the back of the island. The

1630
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: um well, I guess that's that's probably the best way

1631
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: to do it, to be honest, because if you're if

1632
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: your oaks are dropping on the back of the island

1633
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: and you're set it set up on the front of

1634
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,640
Speaker 1: the island, that buck is going to come out of

1635
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: his bedding feet on the oaks on the back of

1636
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: the island and never make it to the front of

1637
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: the island. So the best best thing for somebody that's

1638
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: hunting an area like that um year after year after

1639
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: year is to figure out exactly where the betting is

1640
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: because you don't want them to get hung up on

1641
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: one specific acorn oak tree um all night and then

1642
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: not move until after you get down. Because Dan Dan

1643
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: actually ran into that. He had that year and a

1644
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: half year old buck come in. It fed like forty

1645
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: r of the way and it until it was black

1646
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: and that was that was a huge learning experience for me.

1647
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: You have to you have to find the first oak

1648
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 1: trees um from betting, because those deer don't want to

1649
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: move too far from betting if they don't have to.

1650
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: In uh until it gets dark. I don't know if

1651
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: that makes sense, talk circle, No, it does. UM, So

1652
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: if someone has, you know, if someone was able to

1653
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: get out there the spring before, they can go and

1654
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: scout these islands and they can look and try to

1655
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: find that betting off the backside, and they can try

1656
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: to figure out, Okay, here's the first couple of oak trees,

1657
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: and how close can I get without the deer seeing me,

1658
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: You're smelling me, you're hearing me. That's the ideal scenario.

1659
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: But let's say we're hunting public and it's you know,

1660
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: we're heading from out of state, we haven't been able

1661
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: to scout in person before, we're heading in blind like

1662
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: you guys did in that situation, and you guys are

1663
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 1: just looking at maps and then scouting on the ground

1664
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: and moving as you did. UM, talk to about how

1665
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: you try to approach each new island and how you

1666
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: tried to work your way into it without spooking deer

1667
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: but trying to get close enough. This is kind of

1668
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 1: a similar scenarios. I guess I asked about your Michigan hunt.

1669
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: But again it's how do you pick the spot within

1670
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: the spot in this scenario? So yeah, yeah, So again

1671
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: for me, it goes to shootability. Um, and maybe that's

1672
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: that might be it's something I've always kind of kick around.

1673
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a kink. I need to work out of

1674
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: my system and start getting the deer twenty yards from me.

1675
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: But I want I want to be able to shoot

1676
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: thirty yards to the left and thirty yards to the right.

1677
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: So I'm covering a sixty yard area that that deer

1678
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: is gonna walk through and he's in trouble. Um, that's

1679
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: a big deal for me. But then being I mean

1680
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 1: still being close enough that he's going to go past you. Um,

1681
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: stay on on that island, there was kind of like

1682
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: a little it was kind of high in the middle,

1683
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: so I stayed on the down wind side of the

1684
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: island and skirted. I crouched down when I walked, just

1685
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: in case there was something on the up wind side

1686
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: of the island bedded that way wouldn't see me, just

1687
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: in case it came out to the island and moved around.

1688
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: Does that make sense. Yeah, Especially when you don't when

1689
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: you don't know exactly where they might be, it becomes

1690
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: even more careful to be assuming any the worst case scenario.

1691
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 1: Guess right, exactly yeah, yeah, and uh. And then when

1692
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: I get set up in a situation like that where

1693
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know where they are, I'm moving really slow. Um.

1694
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: It was very windy, so that helped because if you

1695
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: when when a deer I always say this, A deer

1696
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: isn't looking for you when they come out to the

1697
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: field or whatever. They're looking for movement. So when that

1698
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 1: deer is laying in that bed, if you're moving around

1699
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: all drastically, climbing the tree, making fast motions, it's gonna

1700
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: catch It's more likely to catch that deer's eye. And

1701
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: that deer might be laying there kind of groggy. Um,

1702
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: not not all wound up, but you can sure get

1703
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: them wound up fast if you're making motions that they're

1704
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: going to pick out. So I move really slow. Just

1705
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: go slow, um, don't make any obvious movements, climb up

1706
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: the side of the tree, um where you don't think

1707
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: the deer are going to see you. Put the tree

1708
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: in between you and the deer where you suspect the

1709
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: deer to be. So just going slow that way. Do

1710
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: you ever have any other adjustments you make again when

1711
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: you're thinking you could be close to bedded deer? Uh?

1712
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: As in, you know, sometimes I've hurt people go extra

1713
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,480
Speaker 1: low because they want to make sure they don't get skylined,

1714
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: or they want to make sure they don't, you know,

1715
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: get so high as to be visible from a farther distance.

1716
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: So some people will hunt lower than usual because they

1717
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: don't want to be spotted from the bedded buck, while

1718
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: other people say they want to be higher so that

1719
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: if that deer starts moving their way, they won't be

1720
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: as likely to smell them or see them. Does does

1721
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: your height ever change based off snarrows? Like that? A

1722
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: little bit, not not a crazy amount, um obviously, Like

1723
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: on that bedded buck hunt, I knew I wanted to

1724
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: get as high as possible, and there's there's a point

1725
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: where you get really how you start to mess up

1726
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: that angle of you know, if you're going for a

1727
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: double lung shot, it gets it shot becomes more difficult

1728
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: if you get too high, And then I do get

1729
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: a little bit worried about going too low and getting

1730
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: picked off, But then there's the going too high and

1731
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: getting picked off on their bedded So yeah, I guess

1732
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: I think about it, but it's something I'm gonna start

1733
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: paying closer attention to. UM, I got a buddy justin right, Um,

1734
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: he's gotta He was telling me about a swamp that

1735
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: he hunts where if there's any hunters hunting the hardwoods

1736
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: that boughts up to the swamp, you don't see much

1737
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: for deer um coming into the hardwoods, he said. But

1738
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: if there's no hunters and you just go sit on

1739
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: the ground, you'll see all kinds of deer, he said,

1740
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: because the deer have become so accustomed to sitting in

1741
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: their beds and watching people climb up the trees. So

1742
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: that was something he told me this year that I'm

1743
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: gonna start paying attention to more. Yeah, you always wonder

1744
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: what what they what they know about you. I can't

1745
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: remember what Maybe maybe you said this earlier just now

1746
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: and I'm losing my mind, or in something I was

1747
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: listening to earlier. I've been preparing for this. You said it,

1748
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: But there was a scenario where you realize that there

1749
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: was a buck you've been hunting for years that had

1750
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: been possibly watching you for all those years. And that's

1751
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: one of the things that I always battle with, is

1752
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: wondering what sometimes these bucks could be bettered off on

1753
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,680
Speaker 1: a point or much closer to the road than you

1754
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: would think. And every time you go and you think

1755
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: you have to go off into the back stuff, you

1756
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: have to get far from the road to get in

1757
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: their deep because you think that's where the big bucks

1758
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: should be. But maybe he's right up front, sitting in

1759
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: this stupid stuff and you think it's stupid, but it's

1760
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: actually smart because the buck sees you every time you're

1761
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: walking in and he's out of there before you ever

1762
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: get set up because of it. Um, I constantly have

1763
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 1: this little thing in the back of my mind just

1764
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: just chirping to me like you might be a total dumbass, Mark,

1765
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 1: he might be right there where you're walking by you.

1766
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: Do you ever have those worries? Yeah? Absolutely, Um, yeah,

1767
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: I can't think. I'm sure it's I'm sure ever run

1768
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: into it before, but I absolutely don't. And those those

1769
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: ones are always tricking me too, because those are your bigger,

1770
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 1: mature dear, and you want to be able to sit

1771
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: back and maybe glass room. You know, say they're coming

1772
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: out of just a little hole or something, and you

1773
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: want to sit back and glass him. But those are

1774
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: the bucks that they don't move out of that hole

1775
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: until after dark, right they they they're so tricky to hunt.

1776
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: You gotta know that, but you can't let them know.

1777
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: You know there, they're there. Yeah, that's that's that's the trick,

1778
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: is that. Man. They can sometimes be right right underneath

1779
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: your nose, but you'll never know unless you are really

1780
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: either right on top of him or get lucky, or

1781
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: it's the rut or something. Um. Yeah, or there's justin

1782
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: gentleman that I'm talking about. The big thing he does

1783
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: that we've been discussing is just track checking. He learns,

1784
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 1: he learns these little spots, and he learns the trails

1785
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: that come out of him, and he's he's checking for

1786
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: tracks coming in and out of those little spots. And

1787
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: when he sees that big track going into the spot,

1788
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: he moves in and I know he's killed a few

1789
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: of them and a little overlook spots that way. So

1790
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: something I'll kind of start looking for those little trails

1791
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,759
Speaker 1: coming out of those little spots. The question I always

1792
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 1: had when it comes to some of that track checking,

1793
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: whether it be trails or I know some guys will

1794
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: track checked the edge of a crop field to get

1795
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: an idea of Okay, is the big boy in the

1796
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: area yet, um is, how do you pull it off

1797
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: without pressuring him, you know, I mean without when you're

1798
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: walking around like that. That that This goes back to

1799
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 1: the debate I'm always having, which is in season scouting

1800
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:58,480
Speaker 1: of any kind, I'm always worried about pushing the envelope

1801
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: and leaving my scent or spook and deer. Yeah. I

1802
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: might be learning something, but am I screwing things up

1803
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: by my presence at all? Um? I Constantly I'm debating

1804
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: how do you how do you balance those things? That's

1805
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: a tricky one in some of those spots. What I

1806
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: like to think about is where I'm walking right now,

1807
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: is this a spot where people are normally walking? Like

1808
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: there there's a lot of lanes where people take the

1809
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: lane all the way back to the big woods, and

1810
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: then you've got the buck betting off to the side

1811
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: or something. So I'm maybe checking along the lane where

1812
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: the scent isn't abnormal. Um. I guess it's all about

1813
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: if you could I mean, if there are green little

1814
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: lines drawn everywhere where human scent where, or maybe the

1815
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: color kit do you can look at a map and

1816
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: see where all the human scent was and then look

1817
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: at where it's not. Um, I think you could learn

1818
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 1: a lot that way, but just staying maybe I'm over

1819
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: explaining it, but just staying where the human where they're

1820
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 1: used to that human scent. Yep, yep. Might know what

1821
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: you're saying, and that's it's as you're saying this. So

1822
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking myself, Okay, it makes a lot of sense

1823
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: to take advantage of aces where deer are used to

1824
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: human concentrations, right, They're used to like I've got a

1825
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: I've got a property that the neighboring property they mow

1826
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: the lawn like way back to the edge of the swamp,

1827
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: even though it's a bunch of thick junk all around there.

1828
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: For some reason, they mow some stuff and people are

1829
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: back there every once in a while walking around. But

1830
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 1: when there's not people back there, it's it's actually pretty

1831
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 1: good deer country all around it. And so I'm sure

1832
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: there's some of the deer I'm hunting or moving in

1833
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: and around there, and they know that this little spot

1834
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: they're used to human scent. But then you look at

1835
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: the flip side, which is okay, yeah, maybe I could

1836
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: take advantage of that. But on the other hand, you

1837
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: know that these older bucks, where the older bucks like

1838
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: to spend their daylight activity where they don't get bothered.

1839
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: So I want to take advantage of the spot where

1840
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: it's safe to scout and to walk. But doesn't really

1841
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: matter if that buck is never going to show up

1842
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: there in daylight or I mean, I guess there's always clues,

1843
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: right you could you could see, okay, he passed through here,

1844
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: and I know he probably didn't pass through here during

1845
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: daylight because there's always human scent through here. So that

1846
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: tells you that's one piece of the puzzle you could

1847
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: put in there, and that that might help you kill

1848
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: him somewhere else. Maybe I don't know, I'm talking myself

1849
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: into circles here. No, No, that's that's what we deal with, right.

1850
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: And one of one of my buddies, Uh, I've got

1851
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: a buddy who's a heck of a killer. I actually

1852
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: he's in the most recent um turkey hunting video that

1853
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: I put up on the Beast there. The turkey hung

1854
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 1: videos always a little cheat, so if anybody watches it,

1855
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: I'll fore warn you. But he's and one of the

1856
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: things he kills a lot of those overlooked bucks. And

1857
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: one of the things he told me, he said, Joe,

1858
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: you're always hunting the bucks that are that you think

1859
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: are pressured, that are that are old and don't want

1860
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: to be around people. He said, You've got to remember,

1861
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: some of these bucks are more social animals and they

1862
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: want to know what's going on. And just just him

1863
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: saying that they're more social animals. They kind of they

1864
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: want to be around the rest of the day. They

1865
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: want to see what's going on. Maybe a doll comes

1866
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: in heat and they want to know about it. Just

1867
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: him saying that some some of the bigger bucks are

1868
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: more social animals. As kind of changed my way of

1869
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: thinking and looking at things. So maybe maybe me just

1870
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: saying that, I'll get the gears turning for somebody who

1871
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: thinks like me and always thinks that the bucks are

1872
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: a mile in the swamp away from every other. Dear,

1873
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily true. I feel like I'm at this

1874
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: point now for me personally, where I have been so

1875
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: indoctrinated with all of the ways you're supposed to do it.

1876
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people.

1877
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 1: I've I've written all these articles, I've read all this stuff.

1878
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: Like any of us, right, we've all we're all consuming

1879
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: all this stuff now all the time. UM, so we

1880
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: all kind of know the standard rules. You're supposed to

1881
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: do it this way, you're supposed to push in here,

1882
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: you're supposed to think this way. Um that you can

1883
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 1: kind of get stuck in a rut because now you

1884
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: know everything you're supposed to do, and part of you

1885
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: might say, well, I just need to execute better. But

1886
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 1: then sometimes you kind of need to just I'm starting

1887
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: to realize sometimes that maybe I just need to look

1888
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: at this in a complete a different way, Like forget

1889
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: the rule book. Let's just throw something new at the

1890
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: wall and see if that sticks. Because if if the

1891
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: rule book isn't working in this scenario, why keep trying it?

1892
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: Why not just try new things. I'm kind of like,

1893
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: sometimes the rule book works, but sometimes you get into

1894
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: a situation where you kind of want to be creative again.

1895
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: It's it's easy to lose that creativity when you know

1896
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to do it. Yep, Yeah, exactly is

1897
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: there anything how about this, Joe? I gotta believe you've

1898
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: you've seen and heard a lot of the same things

1899
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: I have. What is one of these rules? You probably

1900
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: there's gotta be something that's like a craw on your

1901
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 1: side that you just hear people say all the time

1902
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: and you think of yourself, jeez, that's stupid. What's one

1903
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: of those like white tail rules that if you could

1904
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,839
Speaker 1: have a magic wand and wish away and like everyone

1905
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: now has to forget that rule, what would that be?

1906
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Give me some examples so I can kind

1907
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: of wrapt around. Okay, So for example, this is one

1908
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: of the things that for a lot of years I've

1909
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 1: I've done and and I think there's some warrant to it,

1910
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 1: but I know there's plenty of other people that have

1911
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: success like you. That being like early season morning hunts,

1912
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 1: people say, don't hunt early season mornings because bucks are

1913
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: in their beds before daylight. It's super risky and relatively

1914
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: low odds for success. So people will say, just hunt

1915
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: evenings in the early season, and then once you get

1916
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: to late October then you should. Then you can start

1917
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,799
Speaker 1: focusing on those mornings. There's one of those quote unquote

1918
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: rules that a lot of guys will will tell you, Um,

1919
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 1: that's that's one example, let's say, or cold fronts, like

1920
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: another one is like hey, and this is I'm again

1921
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: I preach this all the time, but like, if there's

1922
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: a cold front, you gotta hit it hard because the

1923
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: deer going to be moving. Like there's a super generic rule. Um,

1924
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: anything like that, or are others that you would say, Nope,

1925
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 1: that's bullshit. Ohay, So I'm maybe not gonna answer this right.

1926
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,799
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing I see on reading the internet,

1927
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: all the different discussions and everything, and it's not even

1928
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: it's not a rule, but I gotta say it is

1929
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: I think people get too obsessed with their gear. There

1930
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 1: their way too worried about all of their gear. What

1931
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: what I always what I always like to think about

1932
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: as I was trying to figure things out, is that

1933
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, you'd like to spend money and then get results,

1934
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work that way. And you've got to

1935
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: think yourself, how many encounters that I have with big

1936
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: big Bucks this year while I had zero of them? Okay?

1937
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 1: Is that because I don't have the right gear usually

1938
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: know the answer is no. Um? Is that because I

1939
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: didn't scout enough? Yeah, I need to scout more? Um?

1940
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Or hey I didn't Um, I didn't get this dear

1941
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: because it was around the back side of the tree. Okay.

1942
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: Is that because you're in a tree stand and you

1943
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: need to set up differently, or perhaps maybe you do

1944
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: need to settle. Maybe all of your situations you get

1945
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 1: bucks in on you. You screw up all the time,

1946
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: and it's because you don't have the right shootability, And

1947
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: maybe you do need to settle, because that's just how

1948
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: you think. That's the air you make and a saddle

1949
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: would be a patch on it, or it's just I know.

1950
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 1: I I just said people want gear to be their

1951
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: magic potion too often, and then I said, saddle might

1952
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: be your but you get what I'm getting. Buying new

1953
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 1: gear is not. And maybe that's your goal. Maybe you're

1954
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: a gear person. You love tinkering with gear, but at

1955
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 1: the end of the season, when you don't have a deer,

1956
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: you better not be piste off because you wasted your

1957
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: entire summer tinkering with your gear when drinking a beer

1958
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: when you should have been all glassing. Yes, that's a

1959
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: that's a great point. That's a great point. Now I'm

1960
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: gonna ask you the flip side of that. So, so

1961
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: what if and you kind of could have this is good.

1962
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a hard one here because what

1963
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: you just told me sort of answers this next question,

1964
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: but I want to force you into another one. So okay,

1965
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,719
Speaker 1: So I first asked you, what's one of those typical

1966
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: rules that you wish people wouldn't pay attention to? So

1967
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: what about the reverse of that, which is if you

1968
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: could create a rule. So you just sort of did.

1969
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: You said, don't blame your equipment for your lack of success.

1970
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: But now I'm going to give you the power to

1971
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: make one more So like layout one Joe rent Mester

1972
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: white tailed rule that everyone you wish would remember this

1973
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 1: one thing that that for you, you think they would

1974
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: help a lot of people. Sure, So I'm gonna almost

1975
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: take the one that I just said, and I'm gonna say,

1976
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: learn how to read sign because too many people they're

1977
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: they're scouting is their trail camera or um seeing the

1978
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: deer or whatever, or maybe seeing a track, but you

1979
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: have to learn while the track is signed. So now

1980
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: i'm counter counter getting myself again. Um, learn how to

1981
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: read sign, learn how to read what's going on around you.

1982
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe and I didn't answer it directly, but there's

1983
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: there's there's no right or wrong answers, so you can

1984
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,679
Speaker 1: totally say that, Um, it's okay, so give me let's

1985
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: go to the sub bullet on that though. And I

1986
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: know you've given the examples already through our conversation. But

1987
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 1: if someone heard you say that and they said, Okay,

1988
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: I gotta learn how to read sign better, tell me

1989
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 1: in detail. Like if you're my teacher and I'm the

1990
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: student and you said I need to learn how to

1991
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: read sign better, now I'm going to say, okay, how

1992
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: do I do that better? Like? What are some things

1993
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: that I can do two more effectively read this sign?

1994
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: Is it just a matter of paying attention to things

1995
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,600
Speaker 1: in more detail? Or should I be paying attention to

1996
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: different things? Or give me a little more color there.

1997
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: So the big thing that I've heard Andy and all

1998
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,600
Speaker 1: those guys talk about that I'm no different don is

1999
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: spending a ridiculous amount of time in the woods. And

2000
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 1: with that, though, is picking up on what's going on

2001
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: around you. There's a lot of people that will go

2002
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: for a walk in the woods go scouting, but that's

2003
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: literally what they're doing. They're going for a walk in

2004
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: their woods and then they take their selfie, they post

2005
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: on social media and say there I did some scouting today.

2006
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: But what that doesn't count? What as I that doesn't count. No,

2007
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't count. So what did you learn? What did

2008
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: you pick up? Um? You could? You can almost look

2009
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: at scouting like hunting. Was it a was it a

2010
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: failed day of scouting? If I went scouting and I

2011
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,759
Speaker 1: didn't come back with a new piece of the puzzle.

2012
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people might be able

2013
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: to relate to this. You go. I haven't been able

2014
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: to scout much with a little guy, but a few

2015
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: times I do scout, I'll pick up on one little

2016
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 1: tweak in something and then it just it's just on

2017
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: my mind for the next two weeks. So when you're

2018
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 1: in the woods, um, pick up on what you're seeing.

2019
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 1: Slow down that that's a really big one. All the

2020
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: killers that I've ever walked through the woods with, they

2021
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: all go slow. They they think about what's happening. They

2022
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: look at look at what's going on around them, and

2023
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: they think, how is that You're going to move through here?

2024
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:43,520
Speaker 1: And it's you literally just stand there and think. Sometimes, Um,

2025
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: and now, I don't want people to just go stand

2026
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: in the woods kind of thing. Yes, I follow you.

2027
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: Do you know something I do I think a lot

2028
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: of other guys do this too. Is when I'm out

2029
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: there scouting. I'm constantly scouting at two different levels. So

2030
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: by that, I mean I'm scouting what's right in front

2031
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 1: of me, right in front of my feet on the

2032
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: ground level. But then I also like to have my

2033
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 1: phone out looking at the aerial map so that I'm

2034
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: also looking at the thirty tho ft overview, and so

2035
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to look at what's the big picture,

2036
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: what's the small picture of the tiny picture right in me,

2037
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 1: because I never want to forget the context around me.

2038
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, this, this rub right in front of me

2039
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: is an important puzzle piece, but I also constantly want

2040
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: to look at how does this fit into the bigger

2041
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 1: scheme and is there some bigger terrain feature or something

2042
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 1: else that funnels or factors into this little thing I

2043
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: see right around me? You know do you do you

2044
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: ever do that? Yeah? Absolutely? And that's that's where, um,

2045
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: we're all guilty of walking and scrolling through our phone.

2046
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: So that's where you need to stop when you're looking

2047
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: at your phone, and you need to stop because if

2048
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: you walk past that one rub, that's the beginning of

2049
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:46,600
Speaker 1: a rub line taking you back to a bed. You

2050
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: might have just hurt yourself. So that's where you need

2051
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: to stop, look over your map and then continue trying

2052
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 1: to figure stuff out. And with the map, something that's

2053
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: kind of coming handy and you've probably experienced this is

2054
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: just when you see things, you start dropping pens, and

2055
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: with those pins you put your notes and when you

2056
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: get home you go back and kind of look over

2057
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: it and stuff starts clicking and starts making sense. Yeah,

2058
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: and everybody's a math professional nowadays. They're handy tool that's

2059
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. Okay, so, uh, second to last question,

2060
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 1: biggest mistake by wanna be Beast hunters. There's all these

2061
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 1: folks that follow the forum, they see the videos, they

2062
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: hear people, you know, for the last decade or so,

2063
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 1: maybe more than a than that. You know, there's been

2064
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: this this uh coaching tree of sorts of people learning

2065
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: from Dan or learning from the Dquistos or whoever, um.

2066
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: And now there's all these different people trying it, preaching it,

2067
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 1: talking about it. What would you say the biggest mistake

2068
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: you see from people trying to hunt this quote unquote

2069
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: beast style. Yeah, giving up. Giving up is the big

2070
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: one I've seen. I mean, over the last ten years

2071
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 1: of being on the Beast. I've seen so many guys

2072
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: that are They say they got out of the swamp

2073
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 1: and they their sticks were clank, and they didn't know

2074
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: how to pack them together. They threw everything down. It

2075
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: was all strapped, it was falling off, They got mud

2076
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 1: in their boots, they were frustrated, and then they literally

2077
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: give up. I've seen giving up, as it seems to

2078
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 1: be the main reason people fail. What's the solution then, Well,

2079
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: if you don't know how to pack your sticks together,

2080
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: go on the beast and ask, hey, how do I

2081
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: I can't get my picks and my sticks and pack together?

2082
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,839
Speaker 1: How do I do it? Um? But the true, biggest

2083
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 1: solution overall to all of that is to just keep

2084
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: doing it. Just repeat it, repeat it, repeat it, um,

2085
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: make little tweaks, pick up on what you're seeing. Picking

2086
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 1: up on what you're seeing is just such a big one. Um.

2087
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: And those are very generic answers. But yeah, that that's all.

2088
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 1: That's that's good stuff. That's there's no really great specific

2089
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: answer to that one. I feel like it's so true though,

2090
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: it's it's that it's it's hard to ever communicate the

2091
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: importance of that concept, and like just saying it, like Oh,

2092
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: you just gotta do it. You just gotta push through,

2093
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: you gotta persevere, you gotta have grit. It's hard to

2094
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: just say it in front to connect to people, but

2095
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 1: it's I think the best way for people to learn

2096
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: about that is just to see by see examples. So

2097
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: watching people do it, seeing you guys push through day

2098
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 1: after day, hunting the whether it's the public land challenge

2099
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,839
Speaker 1: in Michigan, excuse me, or if it's you know, anyone

2100
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: of any other people putting it in, putting in the

2101
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 1: hours day after day, pushing hard in the public or

2102
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 1: pushing hard in some piece of private or failing, failing, failing, struggling,

2103
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 1: struggling and struggling, but keeping after it and finally you

2104
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: killed that buck you're after in December. I think that

2105
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: is While there's a whole lot of negativity that can

2106
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: come from social media and everybody having a podcast and

2107
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: everybody having a YouTube channel and all this media out there,

2108
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 1: it can be overwhelming. There's a lot of Yahoo's out there.

2109
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: But what it has done that I think is pretty

2110
01:36:55,479 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: cool is that it gives people the opportunity to see

2111
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: that everybody has struggles, everybody has challenges, Everyone screws up. Um,

2112
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: it can feel really lonely if you weren't able to

2113
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,680
Speaker 1: follow along with everybody else making the same mistakes, are

2114
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: having the same challenges and learning as they go to

2115
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: right and pushing through them. Yeah. So there's something to that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And and sometimes too, I've been guilty of it. You'll

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01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 1: have a bad day. Um, everything every single thing that

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01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: could possibly wrong, that could go wrong, goes wrong, and

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01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 1: you literally feel like you want to quit. You You're like,

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Speaker 1: hunting is stupid. Why do I waste my time doing this?

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01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you don't get those days, but

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01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,560
Speaker 1: but I'll get them, and I'll finally get out of

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Speaker 1: swamp and I'll get back to the truck and you

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01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: just go to bad wake up next morning. You just

2125
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 1: need to reset. You need to reset you're thinking, because

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01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: it does get tricky, it does get hard, and that's

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01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: kind of the fun of it, that's the beauty of it.

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01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 1: And as you progress along, you'll have less and less

2129
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 1: of those experiences because you'll start to embrace it and

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01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: love it. And um, I mean, one example that I'll

2131
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: give is if I hate camping, I absolutely hate camping,

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01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: And if it just seems silly, but I hate sweating,

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01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:04,759
Speaker 1: I hate being around the fire, I hate the bugs

2134
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 1: biting me. But now you yeah, you get it, you

2135
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: get it. I mean, I'll do it. But now you

2136
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 1: get into the public land challenge. We're sleeping in tents

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01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 1: and the rain is plotting out our tents and you're

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01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: walking through the woods and the bugs are buddy. I

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01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 1: love it like I love the chance, like you start

2140
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:25,719
Speaker 1: to love the the what's the word I'm looking for

2141
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,560
Speaker 1: the process. It's the it's the journey. Yep. So I

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01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: can have the same bad things go wrong hunting as camping,

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01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 1: and I love it. Hunting hated camping. That's the grind. Yeah, yeah,

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01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:40,600
Speaker 1: that's what I'm constantly, especially the last year, I've been

2145
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 1: trying to remind myself of this over and over again,

2146
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: and anyone listening in the Who's Herd past episodes has

2147
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 1: heard me preach on this lately. But I definitely I

2148
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: get really goal oriented. Like I'm so focused on trying

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01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: to get whatever that goal is. So if it's the

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01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 1: kill on that trip, or if it's the one buck

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01:38:57,960 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 1: um after this year on a local property, I get

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01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 1: so obsessed with it that it's really easy for me

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01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 1: to get stressed out by it and just like single

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01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 1: mindedly focused and worked up, and then you can lose

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01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: some of the joy in there if you get two

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01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 1: worked up. So I'm constantly trying to reset myself to

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01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: don't be obsessed with the end goal, obsessed with the process.

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01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 1: Enjoy the process. If you can learn to love the

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01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: journey along the way to the goal, then whether you

2160
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 1: achieve that thing in the end or not, while of

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01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:30,719
Speaker 1: course you want to push for it, um, your ultimate

2162
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 1: satisfaction or happiness in life or whatever doesn't have to

2163
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 1: depend on that. If you can learn to love that journey. Um.

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01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: So that's a personal goal of mind to continue getting

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Speaker 1: better at YAR after year. No, that makes sense that absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I actually I get I want the success so bad

2167
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 1: that I always make I should say I always I

2168
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 1: make the mistake and I go shoot two and three

2169
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: year olds. That's that's one of my big things that

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01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 1: I gotta quit doing. Um Like, if I wouldn't have

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01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: shot the buck, that the bedded buck, and I would

2172
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 1: have wait another twenty minutes, I'd have a hundred or

2173
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 1: if you know Hio, you know Ohio. If I would

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Speaker 1: have been a little more cuck I guess we didn't

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01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 1: talk about the Ohio hunt. I know I didn't. I

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01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: didn't want to throw you under the bus with the

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Speaker 1: antler shot. Right. We all make mistakes, but I wasn't

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01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 1: calculated my shot one in the antler. And it's just

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Speaker 1: those fine little things. You got a tweak, Yeah, so true,

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01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 1: all those little things. Um. Okay, So Joe, you spent

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01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: a whole lot of time with me tonight. I know

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01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 1: you've got a little one at home, and uh, I

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01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to your off anymore, but I

2184
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: will ask you one final thing you baby Ruth did

2185
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Speaker 1: last year with that buck that you spooked the night

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01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: before and you went in the next morning killed him

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01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 1: right over top of his bed. So I want to

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01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: see if you can do the same thing for the

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01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty season. If you were if you could

2190
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 1: guarantee that you kill one buck, how do you think

2191
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:54,839
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen? Like if if you could like picture

2192
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 1: in your head? Okay, I think I know this one, dear,

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01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 1: And I think if if I had to pick, like

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01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: when I'm gonna kill him, wear them in a kill him,

2195
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: if I forced you into making your very best guests

2196
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: of how it's going to happen. What's that scenario? How

2197
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:09,759
Speaker 1: are you going to kill a buck this year? Yeah,

2198
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: so there's one one specific book that I've chased for.

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Speaker 1: I want to say it's like four or five years now,

2200
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 1: and he's seven or eight years old. He's a really

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Speaker 1: old dear and I'm almost positive he's alive based on

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01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: tracks from the spring scouting here and if if I

2203
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 1: can call this year I've tried. I could go on.

2204
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I could spend two hours talking about how I tried

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01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 1: to kill this year and all that stuff. But I

2206
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: think this deer's vulnerability is going to be there's again,

2207
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:39,640
Speaker 1: this is a benefit of mine is not having a

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01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: lot of deer in our area because there's a small

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Speaker 1: group of doughs that live in a in a spot

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01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:48,560
Speaker 1: that I feel like can um manipulate, I guess you

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01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:52,640
Speaker 1: could say. And last year, I guess I've had this

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01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 1: year for so many different years. I've tried so many

2213
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 1: different things. And one of the things I theorized last

2214
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: year is hey, when these doughs come into heat, he

2215
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 1: is gonna be over here wanting to read these doughs

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01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: in their their night they're back in the cover. Um

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01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: they're not out and open where everyone else is, so

2218
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 1: so this is gonna be good. So I threw a

2219
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 1: trail camera up and this old deer was on it.

2220
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 1: I believe it was three times over three days during

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01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: the rough middle of the day UM in this spot.

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01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: So if if I can tell you how I'm gonna

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01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,799
Speaker 1: kill this dear, I'm hoping to um during this window,

2224
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: like we said, do the whole the whole repeat thing

2225
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: during this window, catch him doing um what. Hopefully those

2226
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: doughs come and heated at about the same time and

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01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: I can catch him that way. So I'm if I

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01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 1: don't find anything big in the early season, I'm just

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01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna be patient for the rout because it's I cannot

2230
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 1: find his bed. Um, I'll keep looking for it. But

2231
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Speaker 1: that's how I'm gonna kill a buck during the rut. Awesome,

2232
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: which is interesting because I've heard you in the past

2233
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: say that the rut frustrates you and that you don't

2234
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 1: like it. So now you're learning to love your nemesis. Yes,

2235
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 1: absolutely all right, Joe, this has been fun. I appreciate

2236
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 1: you taking this time to do this. Um. If people

2237
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: want to follow along with your hunts and different things,

2238
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: you've got going on or that's going on the Hunting Beast.

2239
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 1: Where can they where can they find all that stuff? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So um, head on over to my Instagram. Just type

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01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 1: in my name Joe Rome stir or on the Hunting Beast. Um.

2242
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 1: If you want to something something I always thinks kind

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01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: of If you my name is Predator TC on the

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01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: Hunting Beast form. If you click on my name and

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01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 1: scroll back to some of my very first questions, you

2246
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: can see some of the most basic stuff, which is

2247
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 1: sometimes I read my own stuff and I'm like, what

2248
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: the heck? So yeah, the Hunting Beast or Instagram. That's awesome, Joe.

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01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 1: All right, well, good luck this coming season. I hope

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Speaker 1: that early or whatever part remember that was. I hope

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01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 1: that's a good a good rough for you and that

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01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 1: you you kill that old sucker. Yeah, thank you, and

2253
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 1: I hope you get that that one that the little

2254
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 1: guy was holding the sheds of so he can hold

2255
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Speaker 1: the rack man that he's he's my Moby Dick this year.

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Speaker 1: That's the buck I'll be losing sleepover so fingers fingers

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01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: crossed it all right, all right, and that's going to

2258
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: do it. I hope you guys enjoyed this one. It's

2259
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 1: got me just chomping, chomping at the bit to get

2260
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: after some white tails and man, get ready, it's going

2261
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: to be here before we know it, and that is

2262
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. So until next time, thank you for listening,

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Speaker 1: and stay wired to hump