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Speaker 3: for Colin Cowherd, and for the next two hours, I

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Speaker 3: did you guys see Paul Skins yesterday? Did anybody follow

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Speaker 3: this Paul Skeins, who is the number one overall pick

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Speaker 3: And I think forty seven starts hit allowed seven hits.

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Speaker 3: I can. Actually I remember Michael Jordan when he first

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Speaker 3: without Skyt Pippen. Okay, either state that you were alive

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Speaker 3: people say. Because Scottie Pippen played when they kept getting

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Speaker 3: But people say dumb stuff all the time, and you know,

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Speaker 3: you could say, like, well, Paul Skains are all what baseball?

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Speaker 3: Baseball somehow is the only sport in which you can

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Speaker 3: preseason opener tonight. Here's Kevin Stefanski's head coach on Shador.

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Speaker 4: My expectations for Shador are no different than the rest

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just play ball. Now. The sale of Shador

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Speaker 3: Sanders is that this is what his entire career was

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Speaker 3: Okay to anyone who says are they're they're setting him

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Speaker 3: that the Cleveland Browns, Mark was the general manager of

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Speaker 5: No one sets a guy up to fail. I mean

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Speaker 5: And I know at shaduor Sanders and people are like,

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Speaker 5: there's no way anyone in Cleveland and that organization is like,

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Speaker 5: let's put Shador out there so he looks terrible when

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Speaker 5: he fails. No one's thinking that.

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Speaker 3: Agreed. Agreed, Now what does success and what does failure

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Speaker 3: look like? Right? Like he'll be able to be under

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Speaker 3: center and throw a football. This is a lot like

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Speaker 3: the discussion with so many guys. Well I can't throw

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Speaker 3: and forgive me, you know, dog pound since nineteen sixty

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Speaker 3: nine on Twitter. But what Kevin Stefanski thinks is what's

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Speaker 3: really important. So I am. I'm interested, And he said,

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Speaker 3: we wanted to play fast. We don't want to think much.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna do simple stuff. Just be simple. The other

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Speaker 3: no idea if schet or Sanders is a starting galliber

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Speaker 3: he this level of completion percentage. Yeah, but a lot

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Speaker 3: not act like we're sitting there breaking down film and

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Speaker 3: But the Cleveland Browns absolutely want to see him succeed

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Speaker 6: the beauty. I've never been one of these anti preseason

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Speaker 6: do all that, but do it in very light pencils,

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Speaker 6: you're right, dude, half the coaching staff don't even know

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Speaker 3: And a lot of the coaching staffs are new too.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'll tell you another thing though, I was I

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Speaker 6: And that's been a league perennially where half the league

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Speaker 2: You will, maybe one more year.

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Speaker 6: And the truth skill, if you want to talk about

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Speaker 3: Pop because of that, Well, the hard part about trying

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Speaker 3: Doug Gottliet filling in for Colin Archie Manning is like

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Speaker 3: arch is gonna be at Texas for you know, two

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Speaker 6: Yes? I that's that's been the talk around him since

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Speaker 6: I don't think they are. Now. He could just explode

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Speaker 6: course you got a choice to make at that point.

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Speaker 6: I am not applying those kind of expectations to him. Now.

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Speaker 6: This is you know me personally, the market is, the

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Speaker 6: But I do want to take a step back. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's very obvious nothing around him is conventional. Archie manny

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Speaker 6: senior year in high school, first second, now third year

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Speaker 6: I guess it would have to be a famous last

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't think of one. I just cannot. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 3: right away, although he wasn't a full time starter probably

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Huh, that's it.

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Speaker 6: Any anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've

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Speaker 6: Texas had the situation they had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and two. I think it was Nick sab

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Speaker 6: You know that the caliber of athlete is going to

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Speaker 6: and know, hey, man, Texas has already had attrition on

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Speaker 6: you know as well as I do that Saturday morning,

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Speaker 3: Uh, there's a bunch of really interesting college football programs.

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Speaker 6: And they have addressed that emphatically. And I'll tell you

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Speaker 6: Those guys are really good. I mean, as soon as

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Speaker 6: they hired Ben Arbuckle, I had a dozen coaches hit

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Speaker 6: me up and say, I don't know if you know

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Speaker 6: that guy or not, but he's a stud. He's the

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Speaker 6: real deal, So I trust them. I trust him. I

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Speaker 6: legitimately think he could compete for the Heisman this year,

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Speaker 6: but absent a kid named Dion Burks who was hurt

436
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Speaker 6: last year, should be good to go this year. They

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Speaker 6: really attacked wide receiver in the portal, and they overhauled there.

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Speaker 6: They selectively attacked at linebacker, defensive end. I think in

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Speaker 6: the portal defensively, and they acknowledged and addressed some of

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Speaker 6: the issues, but they didn't have many dogs. They needed

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Speaker 6: to address one core issue and they did. Those are

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Speaker 6: three top ten recruiting classes stacked on top of each other.

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Speaker 6: Those are three top ten portal classes stacked on top

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Speaker 6: of each other. I think they are very, very primed

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Speaker 6: to be the surprise team in the SEC this year,

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Speaker 6: and they get Michigan and Auburn at home two of

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Speaker 6: I think the first four weeks of the year. I

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Speaker 6: expect them to go into the red River game against

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Speaker 6: Texas undefeated.

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Speaker 3: Wow, especially after Michigan. That would be the hype, would

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Speaker 3: be insane in the Red River rivalry. Josh Patark guest.

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Speaker 3: I'm Doug gottliefiling for Collins the Herd, Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app USC. Lincoln Riley brings Kayleb Williams in and

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Speaker 3: they start to set the world on fire. And then

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, oh boy, oh boy, they start

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Speaker 3: they start the remodel. Where are they?

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Speaker 6: Lincoln Riley knows exactly where they are. Lincoln Riley, It's

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Speaker 6: so funny. His name was tied to the LSU job.

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Speaker 6: And then he takes the USC job, and then Brian

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Speaker 6: Kelly takes the LSU job. Both of those guys made

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Speaker 6: critically wrong decisions hiring at the outset, and they suffered

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Speaker 6: for it defensively. Both of them addressed it, and they

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Speaker 6: addressed it properly. They both hired the right way Defensively,

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Speaker 6: they got the right guys in the building. Last year,

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Speaker 6: each place you saw an uptick and production. I expect

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Speaker 6: a full hockey stick effect there again this year. I

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Speaker 6: expect a lot more scaling of defensive numbers. That's why,

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Speaker 6: whether you know it's Garrett Knuthmyra LSU, or whether it's

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Speaker 6: Mayava at USC, I don't need those guys to go

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Speaker 6: in games single handedly. I don't need them to pay

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Speaker 6: forty like cam Ward had to do last year at Miami.

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Speaker 6: The question I asked at USC when I was out

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Speaker 6: there this spring is do you have the bodies on

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Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage? So that's what it will always

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Speaker 6: come down to eventually. I mean, you're going to Eugene,

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Speaker 6: Oregon in November. If you were to navigate your conference schedule,

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Speaker 6: you're gonna play Ohio State or Penn State in this December.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's really where you're going to have to

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Speaker 6: win the game. And you know, Lincoln Riley teams have

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Speaker 6: not been known for that both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean they can't be. It just means

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Speaker 6: a fundamental shift has to have happened philosophically, which brings

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Speaker 6: me to rewinding about sixteen or seventeen months. When he

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Speaker 6: stood there in that building after the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 6: season had concluded, he said, we're changing everything. We are

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Speaker 6: starting from scratch philosophically. We're going to redefine everything about

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Speaker 6: this program. And I said, if he means it, this

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Speaker 6: is a new day at usc Okay.

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Speaker 2: So then they lost a.

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Speaker 6: Bunch of one possession games last year. That still could

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Speaker 6: be evidence that they're on the right track. If they

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Speaker 6: are on the right track, my point is this year

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Speaker 6: it will manifest itself, and this year they'll compete for

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Speaker 6: the Big Ten championship. And if they don't, patients will

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Speaker 6: be worn beyond sin. And I can't blame people if

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Speaker 6: they don't have patience. If he doesn't produce after this year,

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Speaker 6: I think they'll be closer This year. It's going to

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Speaker 6: be the one possession game stuff all over again. Though,

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Speaker 6: it's just which side are they on?

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Speaker 3: Sure, Josh Pate, of course you may know Paige State.

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Speaker 3: He travels all around the country covers college football with

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Speaker 3: his College Football show. He JOINSU in the heard. I'm

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Speaker 3: Doug gottlieb in for Colin here on a Friday, soon

504
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Speaker 3: to be a college football Friday. We're just a couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks away. Paige State's anonymous with Penn State. James

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Speaker 3: Franklin has done an incredible job, FIRSTU Vanderbilt and at

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Speaker 3: Penn State, loading up with talent. But what's missing is

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Speaker 3: big wins. This has gotta be the year, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: this has got to be the Like again, I know

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Speaker 3: what everybody knows, know what they have, they know what

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Speaker 3: they have at quarterback, and they know they got a

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Speaker 3: lot of dudes they've recruited. Well, this has gotta be

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Speaker 3: the year, doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it does. There's nothing unfair about what you said.

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Speaker 6: I'm a believer that high expectations totally fair. If all

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Speaker 6: the investment that's been asked by the coaching staff has

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Speaker 6: been given and James Franklin's got everything he needs and

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Speaker 6: they're not shying away from it. Manna, I'm not probably

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Speaker 6: gonna do a show from up there in a couple

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Speaker 6: of weeks, and I guarantee you will have him on

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Speaker 6: the show, and I guarantee you he'll look dead in

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Speaker 6: that camera and say, yeah, yeah, this should be the year.

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Speaker 6: That is their attitude. And I'll tell you this, if

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Speaker 6: you're a casual college football fan, and I told you, hey,

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Speaker 6: up until last year, James Franklin and Penn State had doubters,

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Speaker 6: you would think as a casual fan, Well, they went

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Speaker 6: to the semi final last year, so certainly the doubt

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Speaker 6: has subsided. Right, No, it hasn't at all. Plus the

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Speaker 6: two pillars in the doubt tree there were you can't

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Speaker 6: beat the big boys and you can't go win a

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Speaker 6: national championship. Well, they got a shot against Ohio State,

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Speaker 6: they lost. They got a shot against Oregon, they lost.

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Speaker 6: They went to the playoff, they beat SMU and Boise,

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Speaker 6: which a hater would tell you they should have done.

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Speaker 6: And the hater is right, by the way. And then

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Speaker 6: they got a shot against Notre Dame and they lost.

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Speaker 6: So even though they went to the semi final last

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Speaker 6: year and it feels like they broke new grounds, they

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Speaker 6: really didn't. So it's the same thing this year. Oregon's

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Speaker 6: coming to your house.

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Speaker 2: You got the white out.

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Speaker 6: It's not a noon kickoff. There's no excuse. You need

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Speaker 6: to beat them in week five. You got to buy

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Speaker 6: week before that, and they have to travel to you

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Speaker 6: with a new quarterback. By the way, you're gonna go

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Speaker 6: to Ohio State later in the year, you better have

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Speaker 6: at least split those games. You better be in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 6: You need to win the Big Ten championship. You need

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Speaker 6: to go deep in the playoff and beat someone who

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Speaker 6: lines up across from you, who recruits the same caliber

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Speaker 6: athlete you do. If you don't, the window's not closed

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Speaker 6: for you to win ten games. I'm a believer James

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Speaker 6: Franklin could do that forever up there, but there probably

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Speaker 6: is a window to win a championship there. And you're right,

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Speaker 6: this is the year they got to do it this year.

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Speaker 3: Josh, great stuff, dude. We're just a couple weeks away,

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Speaker 3: a couple weeks aways, getting closer and closer. I know

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Speaker 3: your show is getting more and more intense. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: being our guests. Look forward to seeing the road and

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Speaker 3: I always appreciate pay stay join us.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate it, brother, all right.

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Speaker 3: That's Josh pay check out on YouTube. Of course, you

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Speaker 3: know the Josh Pate Show. I'm Doug Gollibin for Collin.

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Speaker 3: Let's get you to Rye music with news.

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Speaker 5: No, no, this is the herd Line news.

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Speaker 3: All right, dare you Ryan?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 3: Do you have?

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Speaker 8: A s plenty of great college football discussion there? So

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Speaker 8: we're gonna and our attention to supercaution sandwich. That's right,

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Speaker 8: We're gonna go a little NFL here. Steelers having quite

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Speaker 8: the offseason in training camp. Obviously the Aaron Rodgers will

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Speaker 8: he won't he saga? Now we know he will at

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Speaker 8: least be on the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: TJ.

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Speaker 8: Watt's contract extension, that's done. But now we can add

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Speaker 8: defensive lineman Cam Hayward to the mix, not fully participating

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Speaker 8: in training camp until he gets an adjusted contract. That's

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Speaker 8: the latest. The thirty six year old was both a

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Speaker 8: Pro Bowler and an All Pro last season, so he's

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Speaker 8: still producing at a high level. His current deals has

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Speaker 8: him set to be the eighteenth highest paid d tackle

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Speaker 8: in the league.

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Speaker 3: Which, ironically enough, is probably about right right now right, like,

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Speaker 3: he's still really good? Is he super super league?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: And again, this is a guy who he wants, you know,

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Speaker 3: a long term extension. I think that in the Steelers

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Speaker 3: are team, it probably doesn't fudge a ton. My guess

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Speaker 3: is he gets another year and a little bit more money.

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Speaker 3: But this goes counter to everything the Steelers have done,

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Speaker 3: which is all in on this year, Sharon Rodgers, one year,

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Speaker 3: a bunch of deals they've done. They want to win now.

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Speaker 3: So I'll be interested to see how they manage this thing.

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Speaker 3: My guess is they tack on another year and they

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Speaker 3: move some money around so that they take away they

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Speaker 3: free up some cap money for this year and put

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Speaker 3: some one last year.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's uh. Colin has his scale of teams that

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Speaker 8: he believes in versus how noisy they are leading up

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Speaker 8: to the season. There's a lot of other factors at

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Speaker 8: Pittsburgh to where Colin's been very public about why he's

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Speaker 8: not really buying what they got going on there. But

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Speaker 8: I think this would also lend itself to another one

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Speaker 8: of those things. A whole lot of noise for Pittsburgh

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Speaker 8: this entire offseason. Now, you could argue maybe some of

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Speaker 8: that noise was a good thing. Certainly having TJ. Watt

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Speaker 8: on your team is a good thing. Acquiring a player

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Speaker 8: like DK Metcalf is a good thing. Whatever you think

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Speaker 8: of Aaron Rodgers at this point in his career, I

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Speaker 8: think we could agree that he's mostly an upgrade over

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Speaker 8: what they have had at quarterback over the past couple

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Speaker 8: of seasons.

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Speaker 2: But from someone like Collins perspective, a whole lot of noise.

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Speaker 3: All right, tough news, and they're not. They're not a

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Speaker 3: team that's built for the noise either. The other part

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Speaker 3: of calls respect to Whichecker.

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Speaker 8: All right, tough news for you. Doug Andrew Chargers All

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Speaker 8: Pro left tackle for Shaun Slater out for the season

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Speaker 8: after tearing his pateeller tendon in training camp practice. Slater

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Speaker 8: had just signed a contract extension, making him the highest

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Speaker 8: paid offensive lineman in the league, and he was the

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Speaker 8: second highest graded tackle by Pro Football Focus last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was. The good news is like

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Speaker 3: they did draft Joe alt so you can replace him

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Speaker 3: with Joel who can play that left side. The bad

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Speaker 3: news is that they have to They thought they had

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Speaker 3: bookend tackles for the next ten years.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so they had their They had their struggles with

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Speaker 8: sort of the interior offensive line last year. So you

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Speaker 8: were hoping to have Slater on the left side, Joe

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Speaker 8: Alt continuing to improve on a good rookie season on

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Speaker 8: the right side. They brought in Mackai Beckton, who made

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Speaker 8: huge leaps after being mostly a bust with the Jets,

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Speaker 8: but then moved to guard with the Eagles last year

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Speaker 8: and played well in spots. So you were sort of

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Speaker 8: hoping that they were on the upward swing to getting

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Speaker 8: that O line sort of fortified, but this unfortunately has

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Speaker 8: them now trending back in the other direction to where

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Speaker 8: you're plugging to phill holes. And anybody who knows Jim

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Speaker 8: Harbond has seen the style of his teams over the years,

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Speaker 8: knows how important that physical nature of the offensive line is.

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Speaker 8: And an unfortunate setback for those Chargers and were shawn

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Speaker 8: S later it.

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Speaker 3: Is, you know, the typical Charger passion. They'll be in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs and they'll be like, hey, he's close, maybe

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Speaker 3: he plays next week before they lose that that's actually

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Speaker 3: the most typical Charger thing. Or late in the season,

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Speaker 3: right they're coming up on week eighteen, they're like, you know,

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Speaker 3: if they get to the playoffs, when Sewn Slater could

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Speaker 3: come back and it doesn't happen because I don't get there.

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Speaker 3: That's cool, plastic charger.

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Speaker 2: We'll wrap up with this.

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Speaker 8: The Bills currently, along with the Ravens, have the best

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Speaker 8: odds to win the Super Bowl right now. But for

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Speaker 8: Buffalo in order to try and bring home that Lombardi Trophy,

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Speaker 8: they'll need their starting running back James Cook, currently a

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Speaker 8: hold in for a new contract. Here's what Josh Allen

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Speaker 8: had to say about James Cook. James is one of

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Speaker 8: the best running backs in the league. We desperately want

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Speaker 8: him out there with us. Hopefully we can get something done.

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Speaker 8: So the Bills look going to bring back James Cook.

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Speaker 8: Josh Allen at least hopes that it's going to be

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Speaker 8: sooner rather than later, as they try to surmount what

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Speaker 8: seems to be the unsurmountable mountain of getting past Patrick

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Speaker 8: Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Did you go unsurmounted? Is it insurmountable or it is unsurmountable?

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Speaker 3: So exciting, but I love that.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think it's insurmountable. I'm not sure exactly what

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Speaker 8: I said.

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Speaker 3: You said insurmountable, but it's interesting. No one ever surmounts.

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Speaker 3: It's only insurmountable, like we surmounted that. Yeah, you know, listen,

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Speaker 3: there's a big challenge. We surmounted it. Don't worry, Nope.

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Speaker 3: And only the only time we ever used this insurmountable.

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Speaker 3: That's a great, great, great get by. That's right. Music

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Speaker 3: with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 6: That.

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Speaker 3: That's that's that's that's fun, really really fun. All right,

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Speaker 3: Coming up next in the Herd, Come up next in

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Speaker 3: the Herd. Just again, I want to wannah. What's it

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Speaker 3: called when you throw out ideas and then you kind

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Speaker 3: of discuss it. Maybe it's sort of brainstorming, sort of

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Speaker 3: spit I want to spit ball some ideas here, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Paul Schimes and again they can't tray them now trade

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Speaker 3: deadline went away, but what should the Pirates do? Let's

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Speaker 3: discuss next in the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieban for Colin is the Herd Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app. Welcome in. Hey, I was I was watching

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Speaker 3: last night. We're actually listening to some Major League Baseball

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Speaker 3: discussion and watching some highlights and talking about things, and

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Speaker 3: I saw the Pirates, who they're not terrible, right, they're

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Speaker 3: not good, but they're not like Rockies level bad. But

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Speaker 3: they're fifty and sixty six, okay for perspective, Okay, for

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Speaker 3: perspective in their division they're dead last. Okay. The Cardinals

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Speaker 3: are fifty eight and fifty eight, so they're in a

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Speaker 3: very difficult division. But they're not below the braves of

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Speaker 3: the Nationals, who have kind of bizarrely fallen off. But

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Speaker 3: it's not like there's a ton of hope there. And

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Speaker 3: they're a team that, you know, run differential wise, it's

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Speaker 3: not terrible, like the Nationals are minus one forty eight

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Speaker 3: and run differential. The Pirates are minus fifty two. That's

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Speaker 3: not the Rockies are minus three sixteen. It's not just

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Speaker 3: that they're thirty and eighty four. They're just they get

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Speaker 3: eviscerated for much of the season, so they're competitive. But

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Speaker 3: there is that There is going to be that question.

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Speaker 3: All right, Paul Skins, You guys want to take a

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Speaker 3: guess at music? What do you think Paul Skins makes

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Speaker 3: just ballpark?

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Speaker 9: Ah?

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Speaker 8: Man, it's got to be pretty low. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 8: with like three million dollars? Are you talking about just

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Speaker 8: this season? Not his total conscious this season? Yeah, i'might

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Speaker 8: got like three or four million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Okay too? You want to you want to get in

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Speaker 3: on this.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would to say it's closer to a million,

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Speaker 8: maybe a little less.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, do you well, which which is it?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 3: Again, give me a number that you think he makes

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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you a million, okay, Ryan, one point

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Speaker 3: five million, one point five million. If this was the

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Speaker 3: price is right, all of you won't won't won't wan't. No,

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Speaker 3: it's what's what? What's the sound when you go over

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Speaker 3: forget where the sound is. It's not wah wah wah wah.

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Speaker 3: That's the actual theme song. Wah wall eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy five thousand dollars. There you go, eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy five. So you were right, do only you're not

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Speaker 3: supposed to go over.

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Speaker 9: But nonetheless, the point is, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure at some point the pirates are gonna go

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Speaker 3: and try one of those deals where hey, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: throw out for you fifteen years at five hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars and schemes. Is I don't know what you do,

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Speaker 3: but here's the question, Like, I'm not a You have

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Speaker 3: a great player. He's going to be a great player.

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Speaker 3: And I'd not mention this because I would ever wish

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Speaker 3: this upon any human being ever. But he is a

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Speaker 3: pitcher and he hasn't had Tommy John yet. Right, So

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Speaker 3: you're sitting there going like, okay, is is that inevitable?

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Speaker 3: And as music pointed out, I'm a Charger fan, I'm

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Speaker 3: also an Angel fan, and I've never been a trade

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Speaker 3: Trout guy. And now I think that ship has sailed.

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Speaker 3: You know, Trout's had so many injuries, he's got a

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Speaker 3: spinal issue. I don't I don't think he's not even

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Speaker 3: think he's tradable. But shoe hey, Otani, you go back

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Speaker 3: what a year and a half ago, season and a

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Speaker 3: half ago, and yeah, you should trade him. You're going

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Speaker 3: to lose him Skians. I don't think you think you're

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Speaker 3: going to lose or at least not in the any

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Speaker 3: in the near term. But let's not act like the

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Speaker 3: whole world comes out. Look when he started against Mizerowski

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Speaker 3: and Milwaukee and they sold the place out, that was great.

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Speaker 3: Two young star pitchers, amazing. But they're twenty six in attendance.

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Speaker 3: So even if they show up every fifth day to

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Speaker 3: see Paul Skean's pitch and he doesn't pitch every fifth

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Speaker 3: day in Pittsburgh, it's not like it helps him that much.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is the offseason, but I do

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Speaker 3: think that like if next year there's not a turn,

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Speaker 3: there's not a five hundred in their finish and he's healthy,

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Speaker 3: isn't that the time that you go like, hey, we'd

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Speaker 3: love to have you. Now, if you're gonna trade skiings

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Speaker 3: you can't do for prospects. You got to do for players.

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Speaker 3: And I think the issue with that is, well, if

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Speaker 3: you do it for players, well you're you only go

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Speaker 3: after Paul Ski. If you're trading for Paul skiings, you

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Speaker 3: go and only go after Paul Skins if you know

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Speaker 3: you're gonna you think you're one star pitcher away from

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Speaker 3: going to the playoffs or winning a World Series. And

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Speaker 3: if you do that, you're not going to deplete your team.

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Speaker 3: That's the problem with it. In baseball, almost every trade

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Speaker 3: is for prospects, because if you do player for players,

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna do pitcher for pitcher. I just I

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Speaker 3: don't even know how you do it, how you pull

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Speaker 3: it off, how you'd value him. But I do think

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Speaker 3: at Pittsburgh you sit there and go like I now

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Speaker 3: is not the time, but at some point in time

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Speaker 3: you can't sit there and be the Angels and get

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Speaker 3: nothing in return for show. Hey, Tani, just like if

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Speaker 3: you're the Pirates. Hasn't been hurt. He's been spectacular. Here's

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Speaker 3: how spectacular. Yesterday against the Reds it was the first

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Speaker 3: time in his career give it up seven hits in

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Speaker 3: a start forty seven starts. He didn't give up a run,

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Speaker 3: didn't give I mean, he's just the guy's ridiculous. He's

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Speaker 3: so good, so good. But yeah, only eight hundred seventy

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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars so which I wonder if any pitchers

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Speaker 3: come out and they're gonna do the WNBA thing and say,

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Speaker 3: did the janitor makes more money than me? The janitor?

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Speaker 3: All right, Uh, let's get back to some football coming

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Speaker 3: up next. Okay, So go and do a little quick

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Speaker 3: study of your favorite quarterbacks in the last fifteen years

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Speaker 3: in the nash FOOTBA League. Well they have in common.

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Speaker 3: The Manning family thinks there's one thing that they have

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Speaker 3: in common that will lead Arch Manning to being successful.

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Speaker 3: What is that one thing that combines so many different talents,

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Speaker 3: so many different styles. Well 'scuss it next. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 3: This is the hurt