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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing position and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome the best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode forty five. We are

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Speaker 1: pretty sure unless we need to use it earlier, in

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Speaker 1: which case we'll put a new number on it. But

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Speaker 1: part of what we do in life as working parents

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Speaker 1: is we understand that the best laid plans sometimes fall through.

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Speaker 1: And so we're recording this in April. We're not scheduling

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Speaker 1: to air it till June. But in case one of

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Speaker 1: our scheduled guests doesn't happen, we can use it earlier.

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Speaker 1: That's what we do. We plan for things that might

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Speaker 1: go wrong, right, So, Sarah, see episode But you're all

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Speaker 1: talking about superficial things, dear. Yeah, so we're pretending that

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Speaker 1: it is June right now talking about planning summer vacations.

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Speaker 1: Are you planning your summer vacation right now? Yeah? No,

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Speaker 1: I really am. No, I don't have detailed plans in place.

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Speaker 1: But actually, even though it's only April right now, we've

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Speaker 1: already blocked out our time in August. And I think

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned before. I know we're going to Portland and Seattle,

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Speaker 1: but we need to actually nail down our housing situation.

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Speaker 1: And I'm still not sure if we're going to do

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Speaker 1: airbnb versus hotel. I feel like hotel is so much

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Speaker 1: it's just it's like a lower bar. Just kind of

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Speaker 1: it might be nice to have like a decent sized

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Speaker 1: be more cost effective. So I don't know, I got

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Speaker 1: to figure that out. By the time this airs, hopefully

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Speaker 1: we will know. Yeah, now two hotel rooms can start

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Speaker 1: to add up. Yes, it's amazing, double shockingly enough. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've had a couple of hotel changs we've stated that

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Speaker 1: have slightly more room like embassy suites is always good. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know what homewood suites too, kind of similar thing

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Speaker 1: good but I'm not sure there is. I always find

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Speaker 1: just because like space is such at a premium. That's true.

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Speaker 1: On the subject of travel, you just got back from

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Speaker 1: an awesome trip, it looks like to the UK, and

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Speaker 1: tell us about your Instagram or your your your picture

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Speaker 1: that got the most attention from that trip. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: on I posted on Instagram a photo of our luggage

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Speaker 1: five people in the UK for a week. We had

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Speaker 1: like nothing. It looked like people are like like they

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Speaker 1: once you have like twenty comments on an Instagram, all

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Speaker 1: you know, it turns out there are some families where

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Speaker 1: some people pack lighter than others. But now I am

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Speaker 1: a big fan of packing light. Many reasons for that,

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Speaker 1: I think. You know, practically, in the sense of travel

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Speaker 1: the Americans with Disabilities act right, like, you know, there

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Speaker 1: Like I think, if you're renting from a reputable rental

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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of problems for there to be

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Speaker 1: and you know I do. There is evidence, for better

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Speaker 1: or for worse, that certain appearance related characteristics can impact

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Speaker 1: you know you have to go find somewhere private us

428
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 1: the sound guys. I don't really want the sound guys

429
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 1: sticking on my brosstrap, you know what I'm saying. So

430
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 1: you've got a fellow female person you're on stage with,

431
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: you can do it for each other. But there's probably

432
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 1: never a sound woman. Sadly, there's rarely a sound woman.

433
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 1: There should be. I wish more people would go into

434
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: sound audio engineering who are female. But anyway, yeah, so

435
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: I wear a lot of nice black pants and then

436
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,199
Speaker 1: you know formal top of some black pants are very

437
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: easy for like uniform dressing, Like you could just wear

438
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: the same basic thing all the time, and then if

439
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of coordinating tops, it works. Yeah,

440
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 1: like some sort of Chloey top is basically my thing

441
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 1: and mostly just I it's the comfort thing. I don't

442
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 1: like clinging stuff, and if something's clinging to my stomach,

443
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm, you know, need to be sucking

444
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: it in all the time, wearing a corset or something

445
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: corset at work. No, No, no spanks. I'm sort of like,

446
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess for a very special occasion, but

447
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: generally that's that's not my thing. Yeah, although I do

448
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: have a pair of spanks. But there was a wedding,

449
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: right or like some wedding stuff, or you know, if

450
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 1: just there were some of my dresses that I feel

451
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: as I crossed over into maybe the latter half of

452
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: my thirties after kids number three and four, I could wear,

453
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: but they didn't fit quite the way I wished There

454
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: was if I put the spanks on, than they do,

455
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 1: and so I could keep them so that they are

456
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 1: dresses that just now require spanks that I can wear

457
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: as opposed to dresses that I would have worn before.

458
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes sense, all right, So that's

459
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: clothing we've already. We won't go into the whole like

460
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: mail order services, because we kind of talked about that before.

461
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: I'll just do a shout out that we've tried chrunk

462
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: Club and Laura's tried mmal floor before, and those are

463
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: interesting options that give you, you know the ability to

464
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: have someone kind of look for you. But anyway, from

465
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: now on, my next trunk and order like ten dresses. Yeah,

466
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 1: the black pants that wear most off and are ammal

467
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: floor that they have a pair of straight leg plants

468
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: that I think are pretty sort of universal, like there's

469
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: straight leg. They've got a nice scene down the front

470
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: and and so you know, if you're looking for a

471
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: basic pair that that might be one to check out.

472
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: This is not Can you put them in the washing machine?

473
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: You can, all right? That is the key. That is

474
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: the key. So they do not have to be dry cleaned. Yes,

475
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 1: thank you for mentioning that you don't. You can't dry

476
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: That's okay, but you can. I don't want to have

477
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: to drag clean and then make sure you remember to

478
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: take them out and then hang them up and they cool. Okay. Well,

479
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: we will move on to our next superficial topic, which

480
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: is hair. And I personally do Japanese straightening. We've mentioned

481
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: that before in one of our openers, but for me,

482
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: this is the most easy way to have professional looking

483
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: hair with basically zero effort whatsoever, and therefore I probably

484
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: will never stop doing it. So I am a pro lengthy,

485
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: expensive procedure if it saves you time on a daily

486
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: basis for basically like the rest of the year. So

487
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: do you have the same person do your straighten every time? Yeah? Yeah,

488
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: and cutting and all that, Like, how did you find

489
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: this person? Joseph Nero? Hi, Joseph, No, just kidding. I

490
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: don't think he's a listener mentioned and maybe he'll I'm

491
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: was just kidding. He you know. I actually when I

492
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: moved to Miami, I just searched Japanese straightening and there's

493
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: not that many places that do it. I looked at

494
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: yell previews, and then when I went to see him,

495
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: I was really so. I'd been seeing another guy also

496
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: named Joseph oddly enough, in North Carolina, but when I

497
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: moved I needed a new one. My new guy that

498
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: Joseph Nero is is it is not cheap, but he

499
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: does an amazing job. So after I went, I knew

500
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: I was going to be a repeat client with him.

501
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: And he's also you know, once you get to know

502
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: someone who spends five hours with you every few months,

503
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: then you kind of build your relationship and so he'll like, well,

504
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: like he actually gave me a little bit of a

505
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: different haircut this time, and I kind of trusted him

506
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: and I really like it. So yeah, I think I

507
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: think once you really find someone that works, then it's

508
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: great because then you know you can text them, you can,

509
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: you can you trust them basically. And I also feel

510
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: like I could always get a more urgent appointment if

511
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: I needed it, just because of like customer loyalty. Yeah, no,

512
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: that's nice, definitely. Plus it's taken me a long time.

513
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: I you know, I have somebody now who I always

514
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: have cut my hair. We have a salon that's i

515
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: mean literally within walking just I don't walk there, but

516
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: it's in this little village that's by my house, and

517
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: I go there, which is very convenient to be able

518
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: to be home within like three minutes afterwards. But yeah,

519
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: so I was wanting to go there regardless, just because

520
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: it was there and highly convenient. And then I may

521
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: have had one or other person cut my hair, and

522
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like that person or not.

523
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: But then I had this woman cut my hair and

524
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: she was very nice and very sweet and she she

525
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: has been cutting my hair now for several years, and

526
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: she's It's kind of a funny salon in many ways.

527
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: I think people have been coming there for like years

528
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: and years, and there there was one particular time somebody

529
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: was on really bad behave, like I've never seen somebody

530
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: be like so like you know, mean and like entitled

531
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: in the salon. I'm like, what on earth is this?

532
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: Because they were too comforting. We're like in small town Pennsylvania,

533
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: Like what are you like, I know, you know, Madison Avenue,

534
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: New York or something where you might expect it. Oh

535
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: my goodness. It made me feel I mean, I would

536
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: never be on bad behavior in a salon, but if

537
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: I was ever having a grumpy day, I was like, Wow,

538
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: they must deal with so much worse than we do.

539
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: They really do. They deal with a lot. Actually, do

540
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: you feel like hair up versus hair down is more?

541
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: Because I prefer my hair down still, and I don't

542
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: know if there will be a time when I no

543
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: longer feel like that doesney justice or I need to

544
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: have shorter hair. I do feel like there's a trend now,

545
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: like back in the day you hit forty and like

546
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: everyone was like chopping their hair off, and now that's

547
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: not really the case. And I don't know if it's

548
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: because people are doing more things to their hair than

549
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: they used to do, but I do think longer hair

550
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: is flattering. It's maybe someday I will want to put

551
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: like a little bit of wave back because I don't

552
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: know that the stick streets going to be doing me

553
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: any favors when I'm fifty, but who knows. But I

554
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: do feel like down is more accepted now versus back

555
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: in the day. The stereotype was like, oh, if you're professional,

556
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna have like a tight bun or like a

557
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: short cut or something. Yeah. I mean I almost always

558
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: wear my hair down, partly because I haven't found a

559
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: good style for being up that isn't you know. It

560
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: doesn't make me feel like it's a ponytail. And I

561
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: we run, which is not very professional looking. So i'd

562
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: be great. Maybe I'll get my hair styled like that someway.

563
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even do that for my wedding. I just

564
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: had it down for that. But you know, I have

565
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: hacked it off either. I do feel like I probably should,

566
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: you know, have it slightly shorter than I have. I

567
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: just got my hair cut the other day and it's

568
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: still not that short. But you know, I tried having

569
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: it not curled like I tried for a day or

570
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: two to just like blow it out. I just didn't

571
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: get it to look like it does coming from the salt.

572
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: That curling it means that there's more margin. Yeah, that's true,

573
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: because you just have this nice, you know, face framing

574
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: like face framing thing, whereas I have to blow it

575
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: out exactly right, and I don't have that kind of expertise.

576
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: So they broke that's hair. Next is makeup, and so

577
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: I have definitely gone through phases with this. Probably over

578
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: the last five year. I've gradually gotten a place where

579
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: if I go out and I'm not wearing mescaret and

580
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: probably a little bit of eyeshadow at least, I feel weird.

581
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: And that's interesting because me have ten years ago, I

582
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: definitely wore nothing, and I guess that's just may be

583
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: getting older, getting used to yourself looking a certain way,

584
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: potentially moving to Miami, because let me tell you, people,

585
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: people get have a light hand on the makeup here

586
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: and it's like two hands. It's either like I don't

587
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: wear any makeup, I'm an earth Mother or it's like shellac,

588
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: and I'm in between the two. I don't even really

589
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: like foundation, but I have started wearing this bronzing powder

590
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, and that makes me feel like

591
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: I have like enough of a little bit of a

592
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: base I will throw on. I always wear mascara, I

593
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: always wear eyeshadow. Right before I went back to work,

594
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: I actually just went to Nordstrom and sort of was like, Okay,

595
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: whoever is going to like grab me, I'm just gonna

596
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: buy a bunch of makeup from them because I hadn't

597
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: bought any in a few years and I needed to

598
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: refresh everything. And it happened to be the deer lady

599
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: who was nice to me. So now I have like

600
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: some really nice makeup which will probably last me a while.

601
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: But I will say, the one item that I don't

602
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: really wear but I feel like I want you someday

603
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: is lipstick. I can't do it, like, I can't get

604
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: it to look like not a costume on me, and

605
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: I can't figure out why. And it looks really nice

606
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: on other people, like a really neutral sort of shape. Yeah,

607
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: when I do really neutral that, it looks okay, But

608
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: then it just doesn't look like I'm mooring any like,

609
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: like I see other women like rock these like cool

610
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: colors where it's like a statement, and when I do it,

611
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: I just look dumb. I don't know, so there's dumb,

612
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: but you can just the shade or what I'm doing

613
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: wrong there. But that's kind of where I am, which

614
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: I do think is also kind of a middle of

615
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: the road place. It's not nothing. It probably takes me

616
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: like five six minutes to put it on in the morning,

617
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: and but it's like adds a little bit of a

618
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: professional touch, particularly when I'm at work. Yeah, I like

619
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: to I like lipstick. I like how it looks. I

620
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: always just forget to wear it. It's just I am

621
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: so like juvenile about I don't think you're juvenile, You're

622
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: just you're I just don't understand. I need to. I

623
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: need to. I mean I still buy at the drug store,

624
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: which there's also nothing wrong. So you know what, there

625
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: was a remember our guest Rebecca Fiight or lag Live,

626
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: she actually hired a makeup artist to come to her

627
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: house and like teach her how to do makeup and

628
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: basically tell her what to buy. And I will say,

629
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: I'll try I'll have to send you the blog post

630
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: because it is amazing. And now she still wears the

631
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: stuff that the person like taught her like two years ago,

632
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 1: and some of it was drugstore and some of it

633
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: was fancier, and it made me feel like maybe I

634
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: would want so maybe at some point, just like you

635
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: did a personal shopper. Not that you need it, because

636
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: actually you don't, but if you wanted to, you could.

637
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: You could go the Lang Live route. I could. I

638
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: just you know, it's it's one of the because I

639
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: don't like the feel of a lot of makeup, and

640
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: the times when I've had you know, stage makeup, on

641
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Speaker 1: TV makeup done, I always feel like, you know, afterwards,

642
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: I look like a lady of the evening work. It's

643
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: just like plastered on my face. And I mean, obviously

644
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: you have to for camera bright lights or things like that,

645
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: but I just I feel gross with it with it on.

646
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: And I like sort of the natural look, but I

647
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: probably want to look a little better than my natural look,

648
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: my natural look with a bit more sleep. I think

649
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: that's exactly what a mad up artist can do. You

650
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: look like you but slightly better. So like slightly better. Yeah,

651
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: and especially as I as I do get older there,

652
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: I think that that I probably should grow up about

653
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: this and I to get myself. I'm going to do that.

654
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: I will ask you for an update in a few

655
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: episodes from now. Cool somebody who is what to do

656
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: and they can help me, all right, okay nails yeah

657
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: or nay? No? No, no, I don't either. I mean

658
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I sometimes I get pedicures, so Tony, I live in

659
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: Miami Beach like that, like you, everyone gets paid. You

660
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: never see my feet during the year, right, like so

661
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: you you do? I mean your feet are out like

662
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: feet are a part of the body that are show exactly.

663
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: So I do do that, but I do not get

664
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: my hands because yeah, just like what you said, I

665
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: mess it up in two seconds. I feel like then

666
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: that makes me look less professional that if I have

667
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: nothing on it all, So I just not happening. I

668
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: have destroyed every tingletle manicure I've ever gotten by the

669
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: time I leave the salon, and I don't know what

670
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: it is like I just maybe these more than other people.

671
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm money less careful. I don't know. I don't know

672
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: what it is, but I I mean I have had

673
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: various like girl get girls get together whatever, everyone's getting

674
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: a manicure, right, So I'm getting a manicure, and then

675
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: like literally I walk to my car and chip it

676
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: on my car door. Like other people don't do this.

677
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand. They're either they're getting jail

678
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: manicures or they're like really sitting there for a very

679
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: long time. I will say, sometimes if I do a

680
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: many before my petty so that I'm just stuck there

681
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: and looking at my phone in my hands, so not

682
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: using my hands for anything while the pedicure is getting done,

683
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: he gives a manicure. And again, this is a few

684
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: times that I've gotten manicures. That is sort of the

685
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: trick to not messing it up. But I agree with you.

686
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I tend to mess it up and then and then

687
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: it's just worthless and it's expensive and it kind of

688
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: hurts sometimes. So yeah, I'm with you. I don't feel

689
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: like it's a necessary part of the work. Look next

690
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: to bags, bags, what are you? My friend Vicky introduced

691
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: me to the brand A little tough, not sponsored, although

692
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: look tough. We were gonna want to wander. That would

693
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: be my pick if I could get some free bags

694
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: out of it. And I'm just kidding. It's their bags

695
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: are beautiful. They're made in New England, and I really

696
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: hadn't bought any like grown up bags. I used to

697
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: use a lot of oil Achille, which are great. They're

698
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: actually good quality, but they're not professional, professional looking, and

699
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: now I've kind of replaced my entire fleet of bags

700
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: with low tough so I'm kind of done buying bags

701
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: for a very long time. But their leather, they also

702
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: make briefcases. They really have a professional look to them,

703
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: and I have the I think Suchul number nine, which

704
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: has like a zip closure. I could fit a small

705
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: laptop in it or an iPad, although I don't really Yeah,

706
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: I do think a nice bag when you're like walking

707
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: into work or going to a meeting, it does make

708
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: a difference. If you show up in really nice dress

709
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: and shoes and then you have like a toad bag

710
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: and you're walking into a meeting, it like it detracts

711
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: from the overall look. So I've found that I look

712
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: more put together just by what I'm carrying. So why not? Yeah,

713
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: of course easy thing to do, right, It's and bags

714
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: fend everyone, But it's not even easier to buy than

715
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: like and I do think I think both of us, well,

716
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: I want to hear your bag situation, but I think

717
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: we both agree that like in your face labels sometimes

718
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: at work can be a little like you. It's almost

719
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: like it's like, yeah, I own this. Like I don't

720
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: know my wonderful friend who has a lot of designer bags,

721
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: but she chooses the ones without like the you know,

722
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: the lv's all over them or the giant sees for

723
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: it's just about like I don't want to do in

724
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: your face now what I like give away a Chanel

725
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: bag that was subtly Chanel, No, I'd be like super

726
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: excited about it. But the ones that are very brand upfront,

727
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of, even though some of

728
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: them are very beautiful. Yeah, no, I the brand up front,

729
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of. I Yeah, I prefer

730
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: it's like, you know that the construction the bag like

731
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: speaks for itself and like oh that's really cool, and

732
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: then a small label on it, but the you know

733
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: the I what have I been carrying for a while?

734
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: I was carrying these b Makowski purses, which is I

735
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: don't I haven't seen them lately. I'm sure they're still

736
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: selling them. They have this very soft leather, and they

737
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: often had brightly colored lever. So I had a purple

738
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: one I was carrying for a while, and then I

739
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: had a silver one I was carrying for a while.

740
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: And it's just a nice way to have a little statement,

741
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: something a little different that wasn't just you know, straight black,

742
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: because I'm wearing probably too much black anyway. I've got

743
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: black coat, black pants. You know, you want your bag

744
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: to have a little something. And then I wound up

745
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: getting a what I'm carrying now, I bought a tote

746
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: bag from Coach and it's this light to blue. It's

747
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: like a baby powdered like color, which turns out to

748
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: be pretty neutral. So I can wear it with anything,

749
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: you know. It holds my laptop, holds a book, you know,

750
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: and so I can use it as my personal item

751
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: as a carry on, and then use it as a

752
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: purse if wherever I am. So it's it's been really

753
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: convenient for me. I'll I will admit, like sometimes I

754
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: just get lazy and I have a you know, conference

755
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: swag like tote bag, and I'll just grab that and

756
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: it was like, forget that I'm using it for a

757
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: couple of days that I've you know, my wallet has

758
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: waught up in there on my keys, and then it

759
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: feels like too much of a pain to switch them out.

760
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: So yes, I'm probably that person who's wandering in with

761
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: the looking bag to that. Well, I guess it depends

762
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: on the context, right, If you're just going somewhere that

763
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, then it's good. If you're like going into

764
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: ask for promotion, maybe not all right now, Well, okay,

765
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna save that one for last. So skincare

766
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: do we bother with this? Sometimes I wish I was better.

767
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: I love ASoP products and I use them, and when

768
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 1: I use them, I enjoy using them. It's skin feels

769
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: a little cleaner. I don't necessarily feel like like I

770
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: don't know that I believe there's some long term anti

771
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: wrinkle stuff happening when you just use unless there's like

772
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: super medicated like retin all type stuff. I'm not sure

773
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: they really were magic weed help with breakout. But like, honestly,

774
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: in my current hormonal state, I don't really have breakout issues.

775
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure that'll change in a few months when

776
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm breastfeeding less, but yeah, I'm not that I'm not

777
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: super super into skincare. I like it for the ritualisticness

778
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: with it, like I'll do it to enjoy it, but

779
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: I don't do it regularly. Yeah, it's another thing I

780
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: gotta be well, we don't have to, I mean essentially,

781
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I mean, so I don't know

782
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: what happened like in the past. I think two years

783
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: I've had more sort of like acne that I have

784
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: since in the teenage years, and so it must be

785
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: like that it's getting older this y we cross toward forty.

786
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: But then you know, now I need to get to

787
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: a dermatologist, is what I really need to honestly do

788
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: that now I have like some inflammation on my face. Yeah,

789
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: you should totally go Tom. And that's what I was

790
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: gonna say. If you have, like if I do get

791
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: bad recurrent acne, I would I think I'd rather go

792
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: the derm route. And I know, you know, some products

793
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: are covered and some products are not, but you know,

794
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: there's actually some evidence based stuff. So if I had

795
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: like a true issue, I'd probably rather go there first

796
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: rather than Sephora for example. Yeah, so course for fun

797
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: and also because there's stuff, there's stuff probably work, right,

798
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying exactly. I was joking with Sarah

799
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: about a post I saw on Instagram from a from

800
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: a dermatologist follow who was posted a funny sign. It

801
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: was like, you know how to get rid of wrinkles

802
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: and it had you know, mixed Greek yogurt and honey

803
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: and lemon. Now throw that stuff out, stop being solutional. Well,

804
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: that was my last that was my most I was

805
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna say, we're going there our most controversial category here,

806
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: so you know, medicinal upgrades, that kind of a thing.

807
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: Botox would definitely be included there, other fillers, et cetera.

808
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of neutral on these. I've never done

809
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: anything yet I have seen some pretty good looking, natural

810
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: looking results in people who have done them. My husband,

811
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure is listening to this. He's probably running and

812
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: thinking he does not. His family and my family honestly

813
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: are very into aging gracefully. They do not. They would

814
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: not like the idea of doing anything. That said, it

815
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: is my face that I that I work with who

816
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: did a little botox, Like man, she looks fresh. She's

817
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: in her forties, so I'm not not in a hurry

818
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: to do anything, but I just I will just never

819
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: say never. I'm not. I don't think there's anything ethically

820
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: bad about it. And the truth is, like all these

821
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: other things we've talked about are all little tweaks. I

822
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: don't really see that there's some like dividing line between

823
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, high heels and a little injections. So again,

824
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: no concrete plans, would not rule it out for future self. Yeah,

825
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: I might look into that while I'm visiting the issues

826
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: because I have some light wrinkles on my forehead that

827
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: I am not very fond of, so I would like

828
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: to see them go away it were that oh my friend,

829
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm okay, they will, we will report back,

830
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: So I think we should do our Well, that's good

831
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: because it's a beauty product. Sure, I know drugstore mascaras

832
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: are like a lot of people's favorite or they say

833
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: that the quality of the mascara is like the least

834
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: important makeup item. But for some reason, I can't find

835
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: anything that I like anywhere near as much as langcom

836
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: definite seles. So it's kind of goes against that advice.

837
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: But it's just the only thing that doesn't make my

838
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: lashes stick together. I feel like there's something about the

839
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: wand that makes it really easy to use, and it

840
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: lasts a really long time, Like even though I were

841
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: it every day, it seems like it'll go on for

842
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: months and months. So I it's not as you know,

843
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: overpriced as it may look. I think it's like twenty

844
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: seven dollars or something for a tube of it. So yeah,

845
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: that's my superficial love of the week, use it every day.

846
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: What about you? Awesome? My love of the week is

847
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: working from home most days, so I don't have to

848
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: worry about it. I'm not honest true, like, yeah, I'm

849
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: not wearing a full face of makeup when I'm working

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Speaker 1: at home, and so it's really nice. I'm jealous because

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Speaker 1: we're recording this right now. I'm wearing no makeup, I

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Speaker 1: have not showered, and I'm wearing like my pajama so

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Speaker 1: I would be I'd probably be like a mess if

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Speaker 1: I worked at home, and I would probably not mind

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Speaker 1: at all. Yeah. Yeah, I am in a rental office

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Speaker 1: today because we are recording this during my ongoing kitchen

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Speaker 1: and bathroom renovations, which are rather loud, So I am

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Speaker 1: in a rental office. But I did get We're like

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Speaker 1: todays less. All right, let's let's do our Q and A. Really,

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Speaker 1: we've been for a long time. Story present too boring.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I remember my tip. You can

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Speaker 1: listen at one point five speed for podcasts, and I

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Speaker 1: promise you can still understand everything. It's very efficient. So

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna mention that. Okay, here's our question. I

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Speaker 1: just listened to your travel podcast. I really enjoyed it,

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Speaker 1: but I do have a question. How do you travel

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Speaker 1: with babies that require one to three naps per day.

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Speaker 1: I have a nine month old who takes a two

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Speaker 1: to three hour nap at nine thirty and then one

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Speaker 1: or two forty five to ninety minute naps. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of naps. Three naps the afternoon. Naps are sometimes

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Speaker 1: in the car on the way home from lunch or

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Speaker 1: whatever we're doing. I'm pretty flexible on naps and not

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Speaker 1: super strict, but baby definitely at least needs one nap

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Speaker 1: to pleasantly make it through the day. She references our

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Speaker 1: travel episode that we had with Henley Basquez, who which

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Speaker 1: was awesome, and she said, when Heley travels with her

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Speaker 1: six month baby, how much time are they hanging out

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Speaker 1: in the hotel for naps or do they ignore naps

880
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: and just make it work while sight seeing? How do

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Speaker 1: you maximize your time and money while visiting a new

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Speaker 1: place and not spend most of it watching your kids sleep?

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Speaker 1: And what do you do if taking a caregiver with

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Speaker 1: you isn't an option. I'll have Laura go first. We

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Speaker 1: don't have Henley back today, but maybe she'll chime in

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Speaker 1: on Instagram or something. Go ahead. Well, I think this

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Speaker 1: is one of these dividing lines with parents on the

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Speaker 1: sort of sanctity of the nap. There are some parents

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Speaker 1: who are very into the nap at a certain time

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Speaker 1: in the crib. Many of these people have read The

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Speaker 1: Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child That book is I yeah,

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Speaker 1: I not a fan of that work, but anyway, I

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Speaker 1: am not in the sanctity of the nap category, but

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Speaker 1: other people are, and part of some of it's probably

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Speaker 1: driven by parental personality, but some of it's probably driven

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Speaker 1: by the kid too. Like I mean, there may be

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Speaker 1: a kid who absolutely refuses to sleep except in his

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Speaker 1: crib at certain times, in which case you're going to

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Speaker 1: become fundamentalist about it because you really need your baby

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Speaker 1: to nap. So I mean you do have to work

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Speaker 1: with what your kid is too, But if your kid

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Speaker 1: is in the middle, I would highly recommend, you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to make like, if you're traveling, make one of

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Speaker 1: the naps at least work out and about. I think

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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with sort of planning a little downtime

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Speaker 1: in the afternoon. Everyone might need that. It might work

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00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: for travel with kids to go out for the morning,

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Speaker 1: to do something like go see something in the morning,

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Speaker 1: have lunch, come back to the hotel, everyone rests for

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Speaker 1: an hour or two, then go out do your later

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00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: in the day stuff. That's not a bad schedule for anyone,

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Speaker 1: whether kids need to nap or not. The problem is

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Speaker 1: if you've got a child who's under about like fifteen

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Speaker 1: months old, and so they're in that two nap phase,

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Speaker 1: the morning nap is incredibly inconvenient. And what we basically

916
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Speaker 1: did is say they're going to have to deal, like

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Speaker 1: they can nap in the stroller if they fall asleep,

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Speaker 1: because we want to see stuff and our other kids

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Speaker 1: want to see stuff too, especially by the time we

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Speaker 1: had more than one kid, and then you know, the

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Speaker 1: especially for weekend stuff too. You know, sometimes we would

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Speaker 1: leave one parent at home with the baby napping, but

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Speaker 1: we have also on weekends wound up hiring a setter

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Speaker 1: to stay with the baby napping so that we can

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Speaker 1: go do stuff with the big kids as well. So

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Speaker 1: for home that's an option. I'm splitting parents in an option,

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Speaker 1: but I think you know I'm in the camp of

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Speaker 1: trying to make one of those naps work out. I

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Speaker 1: agree that the sanctity in the nap is often more

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Speaker 1: for the parents' benefit, and that's not to discount it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes you really need a break, so the

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Speaker 1: sanctity is appropriate. But you know, we tend to like

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Speaker 1: to couch things and like, oh, my poor baby will

934
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Speaker 1: just expire if he doesn't have this excess. And I

935
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Speaker 1: will say, I actually like that book, but I do

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Speaker 1: see what you're saying about it being a little bit

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Speaker 1: rich in that regard. Well, I mean there were lines

938
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Speaker 1: like if you're out about that, and I'm sure, and

939
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Speaker 1: it is if I really read it with a it's

940
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Speaker 1: probably very gender too, because nobody's complaining that dad's at

941
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Speaker 1: work anyway. Okay, but yeah, I'm very similar to you.

942
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Speaker 1: I will say, stroller naps, I mean that still counts

943
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Speaker 1: as a nap, and a lot of strollers recline, and

944
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Speaker 1: my kids tend to fall asleep if they're tired and

945
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Speaker 1: we're moving, So yes, maybe it won't be like a

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Speaker 1: perfect nap, but it can be a pretty good nap,

947
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Speaker 1: and then the adults get some break from the kids.

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Speaker 1: Like every time we've gone to Disney, we've done one

949
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Speaker 1: of two things. We've either we've either if we all

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Speaker 1: feel like we need a break, go back to the hotel,

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Speaker 1: have some chill time, like you said, or we just

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Speaker 1: kind of like let the kids fall asleep in the stroller.

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Speaker 1: They typically would, I mean, I do have heavy sleeping kids,

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Speaker 1: so this you know, your mileage is going to vary,

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Speaker 1: but they could pass out for like two hours and

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Speaker 1: then while we're just walking around and enjoying ourselves, and

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00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: then by the time dinner and like the night comes around,

958
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: they actually have some energy Versus if they hadn't done that,

959
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: then obviously they'd be melting down. So I yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think the moderate approach. You know, if somebody really needs

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Speaker 1: the downtime, then make it downtime for everyone. Otherwise embrace

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Speaker 1: the on the run naps. And most of the time,

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, kids are very different, but with many

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Speaker 1: kids if your kids are not on the extreme, if

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Speaker 1: they're tired and you make things boring enough, they'll probably

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Speaker 1: fall asleep where they are. I totally recognize that is

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Speaker 1: not every kid, because there are kids who will not

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Speaker 1: sleep if they don't have the right environment. But you're

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00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: going to know your kid and what's going to be

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Speaker 1: best for your family. All right, sounds good. Well, this

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Speaker 1: has been our Superficial Things episode, which turned out we

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Speaker 1: had a lot to say, and we will be back

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Speaker 1: next week with more on making work in life together.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

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Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore shoe Box on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com.

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Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please

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Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and

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