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Speaker 1: Auntiay's episode, we're talking about Marvel Movies, Marvel TV, box

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Speaker 1: very special interview with the director of Ironheart, Sam Bailey.

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Speaker 2: News, Oh my baby, jest Anna, I'm rosday night, and

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Speaker 2: we'll go back to extract movie.

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Speaker 1: I've even your baby.

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Speaker 3: Bring me three.

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Speaker 1: Weekly this week every Tuesday, Thursday, Rights and Today's.

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Speaker 4: News it is news.

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Speaker 2: In today's previously on episode, we are catching you up

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Speaker 2: on the biggest.

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Speaker 4: Geek news of the week, including.

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Speaker 2: A confirmation on who will be directing the X Men movie.

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Speaker 4: Can you believe that's even happening? I don't know. It's

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight, a real year. Unclear.

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Speaker 2: Also, we're gonna be talking about the super Man tracking.

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Speaker 2: How's that looking? And like we said, stick around for

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Speaker 2: that interview with Sam Bailey. She's a total joy and

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Speaker 2: directed the first three episodes of ironhaw.

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Speaker 1: First up, Oh my god, it's happening.

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Speaker 5: It's about happy years and really happening, real, it's real.

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Speaker 5: Comic Book Resources reports x Men movie locks down familiar

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Speaker 5: director as.

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Speaker 1: Marvel confirms return to four films a year now? Is

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Speaker 1: that is that four film?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Is it just twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: I think it might just be twenty twenty eight. That said, folks,

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Speaker 1: Jake Schreyer, the director of the wonderful Thunderbolts Asterisk, is

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Speaker 1: being seen as the top choice, it is reported, for

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Speaker 1: the new X Men movie that will launch the X

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Speaker 1: Men's the MCU. Your thoughts, Rosen, Yeah, I think you know.

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Speaker 2: We kind of talked about this when it was first

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Speaker 2: rumbled rumored. I get it, you have a successful team movie.

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Speaker 2: Give it a try. I would love to see a

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Speaker 2: if we're still here in twenty twenty eight, I'll be

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Speaker 4: Interestingly, there also.

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Speaker 2: Adding they added the fourth movie at December fifteenth, and

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Speaker 2: We haven't gotten a Christmas MCU movie for a while,

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Speaker 1: Up next, folks, It's the summer of Superman, it really is,

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Speaker 1: and new tracking data has emerged. First National Research Group

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Speaker 1: has predicted that Superman domestic box office opening will be

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Speaker 1: five to one forty five. I think that would be great.

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Speaker 4: I mean that would be very very solid domestic opening. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: They are definitely playing sefa at Warner Brothers.

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Speaker 1: Now Warner Brothers internal and you know, the kind of

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Speaker 1: Don't get your hopes up. There are some like editing issues.

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Speaker 1: There's been some concerns. We were concerned about the internal

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Speaker 4: It would be great.

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Speaker 2: I find this very interesting too, because the movie is

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Speaker 2: He's talking about his vision for you know what Batman

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Speaker 1: So a lot of speculation right now. With Ironheart getting

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Speaker 1: there are for those inclined to believe it. There is

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Speaker 2: Okay, So basically, they released we're going to get two

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Speaker 4: This is different than what we first thought.

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Speaker 2: We first thought it was going to be three and

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Speaker 2: Those are the ones directed by Sam Bailey, who are

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Speaker 4: The second and final batch will drop the next.

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Speaker 2: Week, July first, My Birthday, and those episodes are titled

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Speaker 2: Bad Magic, Karma is a Glitch, and the Past is

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Speaker 2: the Past. The reason people are freaking out is Karma's

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Speaker 4: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: If it is Mephisto, me and Jason will be surprised,

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, you know, M, there's a

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Speaker 1: Completely agree, absolutely, Okay, let's go to our inview with Sandy.

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Speaker 2: Sam, thank you so much for being on the pod.

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Speaker 4: We're so stoked to have you here, and thank you

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Speaker 2: We always ask people, because this is a podcast that

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I bet it must be such a fun experience.

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Speaker 2: I've gotten to be on a couple of those sets

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Speaker 2: and they're just like the size of them is quite can.

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Speaker 4: Be quite imposing. So what does it feel like?

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Speaker 2: You know, you talked about your journey and this is

448
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Speaker 2: you're going to be able to tell them in therapy

449
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Speaker 2: right now, And I ask this question, but like, what's

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Speaker 2: it like for like baby Sam, like little Sam who

451
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Speaker 2: wanted to make stuff. How did it feel to, like,

452
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Speaker 2: now be in this space where you have made this

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Speaker 2: huge thing. You've made so many big TV shows, stuff

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Speaker 2: that people have heard of, but this is kind of

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Speaker 2: a next step. What was it like for you to

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Speaker 2: be there and kind of be like, whoa, I'm here,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm doing this, I'm making this story I align

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Speaker 2: with on this huge scale.

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Speaker 6: Oh yes, I mean I think for me, I think

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Speaker 6: multiple things were happening at the same time. One is

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Speaker 6: that like there was this like out of body experience

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Speaker 6: that you were doing that like all of a sudden,

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Speaker 6: you're like taken from Lockdown to Georgia and like a

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Speaker 6: black car and you're like, what the fuck and you

465
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Speaker 6: can't tell anybody Like That's the other thing is that

466
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Speaker 6: you're not really supposed to like talk to anyone about it,

467
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Speaker 6: so you're just in this kind of pod with the

468
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Speaker 6: cast and the crew and the heads of departments and

469
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Speaker 6: it's just all of y'all the entire time. And so

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Speaker 6: in that way, it kind of felt surreal, you know.

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Speaker 6: But also I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, it's so interesting.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why I keep I don't go out

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Speaker 6: of my way to get like coming of age stories.

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Speaker 3: It just keeps like happening to me.

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Speaker 6: And in a way, I feel like maybe that's like

477
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Speaker 6: the universe trying to like you have to like heal

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Speaker 6: something of that. And so I felt like a great

479
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Speaker 6: sense of response disability one because it was from Chicago too,

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Speaker 6: because of like Dominique and Wayne to make sure she

481
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Speaker 6: felt supported and had everything that she needed because she

482
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Speaker 6: was like she had done movies, but she hadn't done TV.

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Speaker 6: And also be number one on the call sheet, like

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Speaker 6: she really held it down and I really felt like

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Speaker 6: we were partners.

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Speaker 3: And that in that way on that phone on set.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So in a way it was like incredibly healing,

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Speaker 6: which is also incredibly like nuanced. It's not like everything

489
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Speaker 6: felt like roses every day. It was difficult, Like you

490
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Speaker 6: are like there's a level up. There's just like if

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Speaker 6: we just talk about the stamina needed to like to

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Speaker 6: film as long as we're filming, for to be in

493
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Speaker 6: prep with those people for as long as you are.

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Speaker 6: That's very different from anything indie or TV that I've done.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, directing is so fascinating because there's you know,

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Speaker 1: there's no manual for it. So much of you know,

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Speaker 1: Rosie and I having been around writing, having been around sets,

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Speaker 1: and knowing people, creative people, you know, so much of

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Speaker 1: the learning is learn as you do, you learn from

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Speaker 1: your collaborators. For you, what do you think your you know,

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Speaker 1: directing superpower is what is the thing that you lean

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Speaker 1: on the most when you've been making these transitions and

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Speaker 1: now here you are I'm about to drop iron heart.

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Speaker 1: What is the thing that you go back to as

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Speaker 1: kind of your home base skill.

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Speaker 6: I think that I'm really good at talking to people

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Speaker 6: and just like seeing people in a really like human level,

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Speaker 6: which I didn't think was a superpower before I got

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Speaker 6: into Hollywood. But you'd be surprised, I think people are. Yes, Yeah,

510
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Speaker 6: I think I think people are always surprised that they're like, oh,

511
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Speaker 6: you look at me in the eye when you talk,

512
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Speaker 6: and like like you listen to what I have to say.

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Speaker 6: And I just also, Chicago's a very like working class

514
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Speaker 6: type of like midwestern city, so there's no separation from

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Speaker 6: for me, even like with the crew and stuff, So

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Speaker 6: it really does become very like I can talk to

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Speaker 6: those guys very easily. I know, I kind of understand

518
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Speaker 6: the way they they think, and then also like my

519
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Speaker 6: acting background allows me to have a certain type connection

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Speaker 6: with the actors and having done like produce my own stuff,

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Speaker 6: I feel like I have a certain understanding with the producer,

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Speaker 6: so that ability to like just move through those spaces

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Speaker 6: and be a bit of a chameleon, which you have

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Speaker 6: to be because like, yeah, the way I talk to like,

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Speaker 6: you know, the set decorator, it might be different from

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Speaker 6: the way that I talk to down about something, but

527
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Speaker 6: like I know how to like figure out how to

528
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Speaker 6: get what I need from both of them. And and

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Speaker 6: that's I think that's my superpower. Like also being able

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Speaker 6: to bullshit and like kick it down the line.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which I think comes with talking to

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Speaker 7: It's very funny to be in an industry where we're like,

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Speaker 7: what's your superpower and you're like just like treating people

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Speaker 7: like human beings.

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Speaker 4: It's not really welcome.

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Speaker 2: I actually like I'm managing to make it, and I

537
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Speaker 2: really see more of that now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so, But I think like it's really

539
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Speaker 6: hard to undo something that's been trained within people. So again,

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Speaker 6: like for me, that's I didn't get I didn't go

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Speaker 6: to film school.

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Speaker 3: I did was an assistant.

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Speaker 6: Coming in so I had what I knew was like

544
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Speaker 6: I created stuff with people that I considered you know,

545
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Speaker 6: collaborators and friends, and so there's already a level of

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Speaker 6: respect there and so like, I don't there's no world

547
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Speaker 6: where I want someone coming onto my set and either

548
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Speaker 6: changing that energy or creating an energy where people are

549
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Speaker 6: like afraid or fe like they can't do their thing,

550
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Speaker 6: like we're about to like tie people off from ceilings

551
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Speaker 6: and have them fly, Like we need people to trust

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Speaker 6: each other, and there's nothing and I try to like

553
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Speaker 6: quiet the ego on set, which I think can happen

554
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Speaker 6: sometimes and as much as we can get that out

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Speaker 6: of the way as well, I think is always my goal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's like such a great approach

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Speaker 2: to it. And kind of before we let you go,

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Speaker 2: like what was the moment, was there a moment where

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Speaker 2: you really felt like that led to something cool on set?

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Speaker 2: Like was there a moment when you kind of had

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Speaker 2: that conversation you spoke to people on a level and

562
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Speaker 2: then something you would directing a scene and you were like, oh, yeah,

563
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Speaker 2: like we got it.

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Speaker 4: Like that's the thing I.

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Speaker 3: Always think about this.

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Speaker 6: I say that I think Dominique made me a better

567
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Speaker 6: director because she really we really built a trust with

568
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Speaker 6: each other. And I think sometimes like directors would just

569
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Speaker 6: say shit to say shit just because they feel like

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Speaker 6: they can't, like I can't notot give you a note,

571
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Speaker 6: so let me like go into that. And there was

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Speaker 6: one time when I don't I can't remember exactly what

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Speaker 6: it was, but I had like call cut and I

574
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Speaker 6: was like, I'm gonna and then I was like, actually,

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Speaker 6: just like let her rock a little bit, like let

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Speaker 6: her like let me see what she's doing. And I

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Speaker 6: kind and I let the scene play on and she

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Speaker 6: it was like what she had decided was was better

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Speaker 6: than what I had thought I was going to tell her.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think we would have gotten there if

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Speaker 6: one we didn't trust each other.

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Speaker 3: Two I would have ruined the shot by trying to

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Speaker 3: like fake something.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, so I think sometimes it's like me having

585
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Speaker 6: to check myself, like there's a voice going on there

586
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Speaker 6: too of like does this need to be said?

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Speaker 3: Like you know all these things.

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Speaker 6: I'm lucky because even my cinematographer, Antie Chang, we have

589
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Speaker 6: a long history as well, so there was just a

590
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Speaker 6: lot of trust that I think you absolutely need to

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Speaker 6: have going on going into a world like Marvel.

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Speaker 1: Well, we can't wait to watch the show. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, come back anytime. This was great. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I hope you guys really like it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're SUPERSTI can't wait. Wait, you can't wait.

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Speaker 1: On next week's episode of X ray Vision, we're diving

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Speaker 1: into more movies, more Ironheart coverage. That's it for news.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsi Young and

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Speaker 1: Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wack.

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