1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: Andy, and welcome in. I'm Doug Gollie. This is all 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: fall and now that we're into March, right, there's lots 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: of conversations about all the stupid shit we always talk about, right, 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: who's in, who's out, who's on the bubble, what coach 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: is getting fired. We even did that for a podcast 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: ourselves right where we with Jeff Goodman we talked about 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: coaching jobs and and and who bet might moving. I 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: will tell you that at the point of this, uh 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: this podcast on Monday, March eleventh, when we recorded, when 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: we dropped it, Porter Mosure. There's lots of internet rumors 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: that he'll be the coaching to Paul. I've been told 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: unequivocally that's not gonna happen, So take it for what 13 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: it's worth. I've just been told by it from him 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: from a friend of his that I know listens to 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: the pod, that that had happened. It is interesting, though, 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: because Porter had such success loyal in Chicago and he 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: hasn't had no success in Oklahoma, but last year was 18 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: not very good. This year they're going to limp their 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: way into the NCAA tournament and we'll see, you know. 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: But he did turn that thing around, but it's not 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: to the level that it was when Lon Krueger was 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: there and they went to a five four. Oklahoma is 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: a job that a lot of people have been successful at, 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, Billy Tubbs, Calvin Sampson, at John McCleod, even 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: Jeff Caple though it didn't end well. Remember they were 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: the number one seed when he had Blake Griffin. They've 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: they've all had success there and he's yet to achieve 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: that that peak of success at OU and they're going 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: the SEC which I don't just may not fit with 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: how he wants to coach, but I don't think DePaul is. 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: They may think of themselves as hey, we could become 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Creighton where he played, and I'm sure that's ultimately his 33 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: dream job. And part of this is that dream is 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: not coming to Fruition because you know, Greg McDermott resigned. 35 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: But I just I've been told that De Paul's not 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: happening for him, So we'll see. But a guy who 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: could get a head coaching job is Joseph Jones. Joe Jones. 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: Now if you remember that name, you're like, how do 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: I know him from? I know him from? And the 40 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: answer is I played at A and M, Like, oh, yeah, 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: that's right, he did play at A and M. Yeah. 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: I mean, think about this that they have the longest 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: winning streak in their Division One history, which is short, right, 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: at ten games. They have their most wins in conference 45 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: history since joined the Whack sixteen wins, most wins since 46 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: they've gone to Division One at twenty three in counting. 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Now they can't go to the NCAA tournament because the 48 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: four year probationary period, which is dumb, is really dumb. 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: But under Billy Clyde, Billy Gillespie, who of course has 50 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: taken a leave of absence from Charlton State in games 51 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: decided by seven points or less, they were ten and 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: seventeen under Billy Clyde. Under Joe Jones, who of course 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: again remembers the interim coach, and Billy's supposed to come 54 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: back next year and just got a contract extension, they're 55 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: ten and three this year, right, and they had basically 56 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: a completely new roster and twenty three wins is the 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: most for any interim coach this season, any intercim coach 58 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: in the last five seasons. But they won close games 59 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: and by the way, in the Ken Palm ratings. They're 60 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: number one in luck. I don't know how that's but 61 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: it's good to be lucky. It's going to be good. 62 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: It's good to be Joe Jones, who's the interm head coach. 63 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: And then we have an announcement that we'll get to 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of this conversation. So let's do this. Okay, 65 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: the season is starting with practice, right. Did you have 66 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: any idea that Billy Clyde had any medical issue taking 67 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: place at all? 68 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I didn't have any any any idea. 69 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: So, uh, you guys are in California when he took 70 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: a lead, correct. 71 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we was getting ready to head to California. 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: Oh, you getting ready to at So how'd you find out? 73 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: Oh? He just told us. Man, he did everything up until, 74 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: you know, until we got ready to get on the 75 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: plane the next morning. Uh, we had practice. Rode on 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: on the bus with us. We have early flights. We 77 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: have to drive up there the night before to get 78 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: ready to you know, to kind of be there. 79 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: So where where where is Charleton talking to? 80 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: An hour and a half east of Dallas, my fault, 81 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: west of Dallas, West of Dallas, head towards Abilene, Extra 82 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: off go down two uh to eighty one straight shot 83 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: into Stephenville, Texas. 84 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: How big a town is Stephenville? 85 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: I really don't know. It got a four A school 86 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: in here? Yeah I know that. 87 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: So so wait but he did he when did he 88 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: tell you? You guys? 89 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: Night? He told us the night before we got ready 90 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: to leave, uh next morning? 91 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: And how did he tell you were in charge of 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: the A D? Like? How did that all come to me? 93 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? He said, he said, I'm you know, I'm gonna 94 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: leave it over to you. Just make sure you do it, 95 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: do the best job you possibly can. You know, you 96 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: gotta be fine. 97 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: Uh. 98 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: Then like maybe thirty minutes an hour later, A D 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: calls calls me and says, uh, you know right now, 100 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: you gotta you got you gotta, you gotta take over. 101 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: Okay, so what who? Who did you call immediately for 102 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: like advice? Like who's you pick up the phone? You like? 103 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: He calls people like, man, you I can believe this ship, 104 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm like running this program. Who'd you call? I didn't. 105 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: I really didn't call anybody. I made a phone call 106 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: when I landed in California, I called, Uh, I didn't 107 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: call anyone. People start reaching out to me, actually, you know, 108 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: because that's when they it's when it came out in 109 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: the in the news that he was taking them, you know, 110 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: a medical leave, and my phone started blowing up and 111 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: they was like, so, who's coaching them? I said, I 112 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: am until until until he gets back. 113 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: Did you know he wouldn't be back? 114 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: No, I did not know. I did not. 115 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: Did you consult with him in terms of your decisions 116 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: you were making with what you're doing with the team. 117 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: Uh no, he coach comes in, he gives some input. 118 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: But when it came down to practice and you know, 119 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: game time stuff, that was that was all me and 120 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: and and my assistance. 121 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: So you land in California again and like two nights 122 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: before you were an assistant coach. Now you're the head coach. Okay, 123 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: so you got to make what was that like standing 124 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: on the sideline at the so Cal Classic as now 125 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: the head coach? 126 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: It was say, a little bit different because we used 127 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: to sitting on the sideline for the last three years 128 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: just sitting down. You don't get to stand up there much, 129 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: you know. I make it a point to stand up 130 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: a little bit more than then normal. So that really 131 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: only a difference. Then it's just man you get to make. 132 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: You just make decisions. You know, you can always have 133 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: an input, give your opinion or advice the coach, but 134 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: it comes down when you stand up. It comes down 135 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: to decisions you make. So that's sounding a difference. 136 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a It is a big difference. So those 137 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: eighteen inches, that's a that's a that's a big move. 138 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: So you like, you played for Clyde in college, right, 139 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: and then and then you played fourteen years overseas hoops 140 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: thirteen years, thirteen years. So here's an honest thing. I 141 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: feel like when you first start becoming a head coach, 142 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: like like you assistant too for a minute. When you 143 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: first start coaching, a lot of times you are the 144 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: guy who maybe had the most effect on you. It's 145 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: not always what I mean is like when you start coaching, 146 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm Eddy Sutton, right, But there's coaches 147 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: along your path that you learn from, you kind of emulate, 148 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: and especially early on before you developed kind of your 149 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: own voice, your voice is similar to theirs. When you 150 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: first started this year, who'd you think that you had 151 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: played for that you were most similar to? 152 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. It's a tough one. 153 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: You know, I've had some some pretty good coaches, you know, 154 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: but being around coach for the last three years, you know, 155 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: I think my voice kind of you know, leaning more 156 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: towards his. You know. Uh he coached three years in 157 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: college and I was assistant here for three years before 158 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: you know, before he took the medical lead. And but 159 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: you know, just trying. I'm not saying I'm the smartest 160 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: guy in the world, but I just try to take, 161 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: you know, different stuff from different coaches because a lot 162 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: of I've played for a lot of good coaches and 163 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: they have always so. 164 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: So so give me, give me somebody played for and 165 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: give me somebody who take take from them. 166 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: You know. Coach Coach Gillespie, you know, he he's a 167 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: big influence, you know, I had. I had a coach 168 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico, call those Gunzales. You know, even though 169 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: he was like one or two years older than me, 170 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: he still was a pretty good coach. 171 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: You know, what what what about what what about me? 172 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: Carlos Gonzalez a really good coach. 173 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: Just he you know, he always kept it like, kept 174 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: it fun, you know, but was serious a lot of 175 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: times too. We were very serious, you know. He made 176 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 2: sure we practiced hard, but you know, once we got 177 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: our work done, we had we had a lot of 178 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: fun as well. So he just he just was that coach, 179 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: a real players coach. You can always get along with him. 180 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: You know, never never a situation where it was arguments, 181 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: so any kind of you know, any kind of bad 182 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: blood within the team. So that I took that up. 183 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: I took that a lot. You know, we enjoy playing 184 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: for him. 185 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: I think that's I think it's an important thing. It's 186 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: it's really interesting, you know. I'll give you a couple 187 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: of guys I played. So I played for My high 188 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: school coach was Andy Ground. He was my second high 189 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: school coach. Andy grad played, Uh, I played a little 190 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: with JV. I played JV and varsity. My freshman year, 191 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: he was my JV coach. He became the varsity had coached, 192 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: and he since has gone on to win four straight 193 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: four state junior college titles. He's actually kind of retired, 194 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: but helping out of high school and a lot of 195 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: the way I talk when I coach is him. But 196 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: also he had a belief that like every out of 197 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: bounds play, he wanted to score on right, you want 198 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: to run to score, and he also was somebody who 199 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: I felt like would score on the initial action and 200 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: then also score on a secondary action. And I think 201 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: most coaches try and do one or the other. And 202 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: so again it's a thought process of mind. Is like, 203 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: especially with young kids, I try and do you score 204 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: in the first action, and with older groups you try 205 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: and do both. But the other part to it that 206 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know I picked up from him, and it 207 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: sounds like you picked up in Puerto Rico. Is I 208 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: kind of feel like the perfect he said players coach 209 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: is guys do want discipline, they do want to be coached. 210 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: They just don't want to carry over when practice or 211 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: the game is over correct correct right, Like that's a 212 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: real thing, Like they won't have to You got to 213 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: be around each other a lot. And if you're constantly 214 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: talking about turnovers or mister Simon's like, they're not gonna 215 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: want to. 216 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: Be around you, to be around you, no, no, no. 217 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: And that's how it was. You know, I had a good, 218 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: good relationship with other coaches, but he was the main 219 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: one that that you know, as soon as practice o 220 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: with Jojoe, what you what you're trying to do? Trying 221 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: to get something to eat? Let's go get something to eat. 222 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: You know, we we we used to meet up, watch 223 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: watch watch batch different you know, playoff games and stuff, 224 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: watch boxing fights, and it was always a cool gutta 225 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: be around. But I know once we got on the court, 226 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: you know, that was he was. He was the coach 227 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: when I was a player. You know, I respected him 228 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: a lot, and you know he made ship may just 229 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: wanted to win. We both had the same come and 230 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: go that was the win. 231 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: So one of the things that assistant coaches do all 232 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: the time is they always think, when I get my 233 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: own team, I'm gonna do this. What was the biggest 234 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: adjustment you made as you started to get comfortable in 235 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: being the interneat coach. 236 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: Just probably just my you know, just being patient with 237 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: the players. You know, as as as an assistant coach, 238 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: I think your your your job is to always be 239 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: on them for us, trying to have them, you know, 240 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: do things a little bit quicker so you can help 241 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: the coach out, you know, because the coach got to 242 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: think about other things. So you just want the players 243 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: to be Hey man, you got to pick it up, 244 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: you got to go. You got to make decisions. That's 245 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: that's decision faster, because that's what we see the coach 246 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: got is trying to worry about how to run the team, 247 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: how to how to manage the game. Just you need 248 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: to do this a little bit quicker. So I think 249 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: being patient, you know, and just letting the players try 250 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: to understand, you know, the game, but for for them, 251 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: you know. My main goal was not to try to 252 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: change up a lot of any a lot of things 253 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 2: because I didn't know if coach was coming back or 254 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: when he was coming back, you know, so I didn't 255 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: want to. I didn't want to make at all these 256 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: changes to something that you know, I'm used to far 257 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: as a uh mostly playing professional ball. So I wanted 258 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: to make sure I kept its simple, you know. I 259 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: plug in a couple of different things every once while 260 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: from different plays, you know, in certain situations that we 261 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: might do just you know, maybe a ball screening coverage, 262 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: something like that. Just trying to mix up a game. 263 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: And that's that's that's the only thing I really done. 264 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: I feel like those of us when we get to 265 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: play overseas, there's just so many different ways in which 266 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: they do things right. And again, you don't want to 267 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: take all of them, but you take some of them, 268 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: And it's great because you it's very different from how 269 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: college has traditionally been coached, right, Like I do feel 270 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: like I get it end of the day. It's about 271 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: you know, ball street at the topic key. But it 272 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: does feel like guys that have coached in college, they 273 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: keep doing the same things over and over again because 274 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: that's how we were coached in college, whereas the guys 275 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: that extended periods of time overseas you got a little 276 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: bit different player to it. What what what did you 277 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: glean most from all your days playing professionally that you 278 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: like to bring to the college game. 279 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: Just you know, the the most used set that I 280 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: think they're using collage now could possibly the horn set. Yes, 281 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: you can get so much out of it. So you know, 282 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: we coach had a horn set in there, but it 283 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: really wasn't you know, just the regular you know, boss 284 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: spring roll and pop up of guy pop. So you know, 285 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: I put a couple of different variations of it, and 286 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: it just from playing and you know we've used it 287 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: a lot this year. You know, I want to use ice, 288 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: but I don't just I don't think I don't think 289 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: the guys understand how to play that boss screen defense. 290 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: So but just you know, trying to be a little 291 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: bit more up up tempo with things, you know, getting 292 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: a little bit more freedom. That's how that's that's the 293 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: game I'm used to. You know. 294 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: Interesting, I feel like I feel like international rules and 295 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: you tell them what you think. If you think differently, 296 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: is cool. I love the international rules, I really do. 297 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: I don't like the way the international game is officiated, 298 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: you know. I want to make sure people understand that. 299 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: I think the officiating is terrible, right, the interpretation of 300 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: traveling I don't get like. There's lots of things, but 301 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: the international rules, you know, like no bask interference, that's great. 302 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean your offensive rebound you go get a tip 303 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: dug with the ball in the rim. Awesome, awesome, or 304 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: you could smack it off with on the rim. I 305 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: like that. The reset, the twenty four seconds o'clock, the quarters, 306 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: the lack of timeouts you can't call it live ball timeout. 307 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Like all of those things I really like and I 308 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: think it creates a better flow to the game that 309 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: we that we have. What about your use of timeouts. 310 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm not a time 311 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: I got I'm not a time out got I call them, 312 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: but you know, I just people always say, may you 313 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: got to seek out all your time outs. Yeah, I know, 314 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: you know, I call him when I have to just 315 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: try to, you know, change up the game. But you know, 316 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: my guy's been doing a good good job this year 317 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: of uh you know, just staying locked in the game, 318 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: and they I haven't had to call them. I haven't 319 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: haven't had to call you know, I don't want to 320 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: draw up anything that just this is ravaging play because 321 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: I don't That's not who I am. Uh. We practice 322 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: everything that we do, you know, so you know, the 323 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: guys are always prepared. You know. I was talking to 324 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: a coach not too long ago. He's like, man, you 325 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: got to have this play ready, this play ready. I said, 326 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: I really can't just sit here and tell you I 327 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: have a go to play. I have to see how 328 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: the game is been progressing, what they have been doing, 329 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: what I think they might do, and I have plays 330 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: ready for that, you know, and that we guys have 331 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: been running this whole season. So you know that that's 332 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: that's how I've been playing for the past thirteen years. 333 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: We didn't have a lot of sets, but you know, 334 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: we had plays and they you know, could go against 335 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: any any style of defense. 336 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 337 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 3: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports radio 338 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app searchsr to listen live. 339 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: How's the staff been to you been good. 340 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: Been good man. The guys been working hard. Man, It's 341 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: been fun. They've We've been having a lot of fun. 342 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: We've been in jaring, being around each other. You know, 343 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: it's never any problems when we traveling, never any problems 344 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: when we're in the office. Man, it's been it's been 345 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: really fun. 346 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: What about the players. Was there a moment that you 347 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: feel like it became your team? 348 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, God to understand there's been a different 349 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: The only thing changed is I've became acting head coach. 350 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: That's on thing changed. I still treated the kids the 351 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: same way. I still went to study Hall with them 352 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: every night. We really while when we had study Hall, 353 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: I still ran study Hall. I was still in there 354 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: with them every night. So that dynamic and that situation 355 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 2: never changed. I've been there with them just like if 356 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: I was assistant coach the whole time. You know, only thing, 357 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: you know, I used to go to waits a lot 358 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: in the morning, but now, you know, I let guys 359 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: take that every once in a while. 360 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: Wait wait, she still did the study all but you 361 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: don't do the weights. 362 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, ways, I can't. I did it too long and 363 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, let me just sleep in just a little bit. 364 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: But I still I still do the study hall every night, 365 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: you know. So I'm still in there with the kids, 366 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: listening to everything they going through, you know, helping them 367 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: out with anything that they you know, need help on. 368 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm still doing the study hall. 369 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: Okay, how about this the last two years, where did 370 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: you sit on the bus? 371 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: I said, right at the end of the coaches, right 372 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: before the players. 373 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: Right right, you're the you're the right, You're still in 374 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: the same place, same place, and you didn't do head 375 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: coaches always front seat, right Yeah. Yeah, I think the 376 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: best part of being the head coach is you never 377 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: can be late to the. 378 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: Bus, right right, right? That is that is the best. 379 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: That's the best. You know. I'll make it a point, 380 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: you know, to you know, just make sure the guys 381 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: are owned before I come out. I'm like, you know, 382 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 2: I told her, you know, told a couple of coaches. 383 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: You know, just let me get give me your heads 384 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: up if anybody late, you know, we're going to always 385 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: set the time to where we are on time. You know, 386 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: we'll leave early. But you know, because if we say 387 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: the bus leave it at three forty five, we had 388 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 2: the guys loading up by three thirty. So if I 389 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: get okay, everybody in the bus at three thirty, we 390 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 2: out by three, you know, by three thirty five. So 391 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: I'm right there ready to go, you know, and we 392 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: get some time there. I'm not the guy if we 393 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: leave it three forty five. I'm coming down at three 394 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: forty five. Now, let's get to the gym. Let's get 395 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 2: set it in. 396 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: You know, I get it, But it does, it does. 397 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: Being a head coach does allow you to occasionally you 398 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: got to take a leak, You forget something in the room. 399 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about it. It ain't leave without me. 400 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to be that guy. I don't 401 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: want to be that guy, you know. And I don't know. 402 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: I was talking to I was talking to somebody just 403 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 2: the other day and they was like, man, so if 404 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: you ever become a head coach, what you're gonna do? 405 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: I said, I go back and forth with its far 406 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: as should I keep going to study hall with the kids. 407 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: It's not for me. I really enjoy, you know, being 408 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: in study hall. We do what we do, our work, 409 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: the guys who they work. Then for the last ten 410 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, man, I try to talk to them with life, 411 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: no matter what it is, you know, try to give 412 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: them some of my experiences, so help them grow up, 413 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 2: you know. So they have somebody that can probably talk to. 414 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: And it's been good. It's been good, all right, give 415 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: me the. 416 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: Okay, So they asked you, a coach, give me the 417 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: craziest overseas story. You got. Give me one. 418 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: Craziest old seed story. I keep it PG, I keep 419 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: it PG. Okay, PG right now. So the crazy old 420 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: seed story for me was a situation that me and 421 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: j pre Prince was in when we were playing basketball 422 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: in Iran and Trump had the he did the band 423 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 2: for the Muslim countries. We was just flying from Iran 424 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: to go to Dubai to to renew our visas and 425 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: we're supposed to be doing that for baby two to 426 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: three days. You know. He put the band on soon 427 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: as we touched down Dubai phone it started blowing up, 428 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: blowing up, blowing up, you know, Iran can't Trump said 429 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: Muslim concert. Muslim coms can come to America. Iran does 430 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: the same thing and not sept An Americans. So it 431 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: a two day, three day trip turned to a five 432 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: day trip and everybody's calling, what you're gonna do, What's 433 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: going to happen? Like, what's going on? And we was like, 434 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I just know I brought one 435 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: bag to Dubai and all the rest of my stuff 436 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: is in Iran. I don't know if I'm going to 437 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: ever get to go back to get it or what. 438 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: So we ended up staying there five days. Uh. The 439 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: president of our team, he ended up calling the Secretary 440 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: defense because that was you know, they was teammates on 441 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: soccer team back in the day and we were the 442 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: only two Americans they were allowed to get a visa 443 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: to get back into our ring. 444 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: What was it like playing that ring? 445 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: It was actually it was okay, it was okay. It's 446 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: it's different. You know, none of the American stuff worked, 447 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: no credit card, no cell phone, nothing, a lot of traffic. 448 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 2: But people are cool, but you know you don't have that. 449 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: That was the food food really good. Food is really good. 450 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: You know, just don't have no freedom. That's it. You 451 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: don't have you don't have that much that freedom. We 452 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: had to have a driver and then when we go somewhere, 453 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: the driver had to stay with us because you know, 454 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: you never know what can happen to you over there. 455 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 2: You say one wrong to me, the government can come, come, 456 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 2: come find you, and they come scoop you up. 457 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: That's crazy. Uh, it's amazing. So my my Dubai story 458 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: was I was playing this is well before you It's 459 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and one, us playing in Russia, and we 460 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: had had a break and the team went to train 461 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: in Dubai and this is Dubai wasn't as evolved as 462 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: it is now. And because I'm one Jewish and two 463 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, I had been to Israel a bunch. There's 464 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of Hebrew writing on my passport and they're like, yo, 465 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: they will not let you into the country. Yeah, will 466 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: not let you into the country. So so I had 467 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: I literally had to stay in perm Russia and one 468 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: of like the youth team coach worked me out twice 469 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: a day every day like crazy shit running. They I 470 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: used to do this thing where they do like you 471 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: must have made ten three pointers all right, like nobody 472 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: feeding you. You got to go and get it, and 473 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: they like time you to see how pass and then 474 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: you get a simple water and you go do it again, 475 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: and do it again, do it again, and you like 476 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: get an hour workout where you're feeding yourself and going 477 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: full court and you got to get your own missus. 478 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is crazy. Meanwhile, you know they came 479 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: back and those dudes had pictures they did camel rd 480 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: hanging out and they practiced hard whatever, but they chilled. 481 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: I was like, man, because I had Hebrew on my passport. 482 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 2: No, I had to get it. I had to get 483 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: a whole new passport before I went to Iran because 484 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: I played in Israel two years, so I had to 485 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: get a whole new passport. In my agent like you 486 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: not getting in with that passport. We got to got 487 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: to get a new passport. 488 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, where who did you play for in Israel? 489 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: First year, I was in for the lead good ball 490 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 2: up in the north. Yeah. In the second year we 491 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: won championship out with Ruce Line. 492 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: That was pretty cool, right, that was the the you know, 493 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: they opened a new arena now, which is really nice. 494 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 2: So when I that year that I played for him. 495 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: They were just opening up that arena. That the last 496 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: thing that they had. It wasn't even fully completed yet 497 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: we played in it. Still had still doing construction and 498 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: while we're playing in it. So and we won the 499 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: championship that year in it. So yeah, I had, I 500 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: got had some I guess stories about Israel. I loved 501 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: it over there and jored it. 502 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: Give me, give me one PG one. 503 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: PG one probably had to be the time I thought 504 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: I thought I was going to jail because I'm you know, 505 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 2: we had played, we had played in uh in Tel Aviv. 506 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: I can't remember who we played against. I go back home, 507 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: I go back to Jerusalem and then you know, me 508 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: and my guys we come. We come back like hey man, 509 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: let's go out, you know, let's have a little fun. 510 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: We come so the team, the team had a bus 511 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: and you went all the way back to Jerusalem. 512 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is like. 513 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: On a bus, it's like an hour. 514 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 515 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: Then you turn around like, yeah, now let's go out 516 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: and tell tell nothing nothing happens in Jerusalem. 517 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing nothing. So we go back to Tel Aviv 518 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 2: to go out and like it's a heel that you know, 519 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: that's coming from going to lead in Tel Aviv and 520 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: we rolled next thing. I know, cops, I'm like, I've 521 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: had I've been playing in Europe everywhere for a long time. 522 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: Cops do not have radar detective radar guns and like, yeah, 523 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: you're doing this and doing this and that, and I'm like, 524 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: we're just trying to go, you know, we to go 525 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: out a little bit. Tell them what team we played for, 526 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: and at that point in time, we were doing pretty good. 527 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: So they like, well, you know, if you if we 528 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: see this car again coming back through in a couple 529 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 2: of hours, whatever, we're going to stop you. So you 530 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: gotta make you gotta figure you got to figure it out. 531 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: So man, I went to Tel Aviv, we went out, 532 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: I had a good time. And one of my other boys, 533 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: he was playing for a team, he was playing for 534 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: Rishon Jeremy Smith went to Georgia table you spend at 535 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: his highse I'm like, nah, I ain't drinking that drive 536 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 2: back because i know for sure they gonna take it. 537 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: They're taking the scene. 538 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, the best part about playing Israel is when 539 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: I was there, we had a guy Jesse Salters, was 540 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: like an old head play South Florida, and yeah, I 541 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: never forget. He got Thanksgiving party and you know, you 542 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: got anywhere from two to four or five Americans on 543 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: the first division teams. Second division teams has a couple, 544 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: Third division teams have a couple. So we had like 545 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 1: Dick the Americans at a Thanksgiving party, and you just 546 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: you felt like you're at home, whereas everywhere else you 547 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: go you're really really isolated. 548 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 2: Really isolated, you know, and that was That's a good thing, 549 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: but also a bad thing because then you you know, guys, yo, 550 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 2: this you might know this guy. He might have a 551 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: beef with one of your other boys because they played 552 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: in the game, know, the different country. So now like, okay, 553 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: I see you a man, like what's going on? You know, 554 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: and it's always but it was fun over there because 555 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: you know, I got to meet be with guys that 556 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 2: you know, that I haven't met seen in a long 557 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: time since maybe high school, like Germans. He won of 558 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: them guys. We played against each other in high school, 559 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 2: you know. Then he went to Georgia Tech and went 560 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: to a and m I ain't seen him in a while, 561 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: but we was always close, you know, when we went 562 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 2: to camps and stuff. Played each other in high school. 563 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: So just you know, be able to kick you to 564 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 2: him for a whole pretty much a year. You know, 565 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: it was fun. It was real fun. 566 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an amazing part of the experience. The best 567 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: teammate you had overseas was. 568 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 2: Who probably be John's stepherson. We played together in Spain, 569 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 2: two years in Iceland. He from Iceland, though he played 570 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: he got he paid for the Mavericks a couple of 571 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: years too. So, uh, you know, he's been around, he'd 572 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: been around. He was older, he was old. He was 573 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 2: old head when I when I played with him, but 574 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: he was you know, still very good, very effective. 575 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: What what what made him so such a good teammate? 576 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: He just you know, I was on a black guy 577 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: on the team and he was you know, he just 578 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: he played with a bunch of guys like he he 579 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: played with uh you know, he played with David Hawkins. 580 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: You know, he was just the older guy, been around, 581 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: so he knew he understood what was going, you know, 582 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: he understood on the court and out the court. So 583 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: that's what we That's what that's how we connected a lot. 584 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: What what is that? What is that like? Because like 585 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: again it's it's really interesting because in the States, you know, 586 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: like I mean again, I don't know. Your experience obviously 587 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: is a different place, feels like a really white campus. 588 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: But you you, but you do. But you have you know, 589 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: you got all the sports teams whatever, you got people, 590 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: and you get your teammates. So I'm sure you experienced 591 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: some of an m but it's not just the best, 592 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: like you're literally the first black person they've ever seen 593 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 1: in life. Yeah, yeah, what's that experience like? 594 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: For me? It was cool. I come from a small town, 595 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: so it's not that many people, not many black people 596 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: in our town. Everybody's king each other as black most 597 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: for the most part. But once you go over there, 598 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: you're you know a lot of people start thinking you're African, 599 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: you know, so that that's the only difference depending on 600 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: what country you go to. You know, I played in 601 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: France for three years, prayed in Spain for three years. 602 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: You know, I paid in Turkey for one you know, Turkey, 603 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: when they see you, you know, black, they think you 604 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: you know you you you're African and your Muslim. So 605 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 2: you get a lot of that. But it's just when you. 606 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: Know, man, I like I like bacon, I like Va. 607 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: I can't give it up. So you know that's that's 608 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: you know, that's what you tell them. But you know 609 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: they friendly very friendly. 610 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: Question but it's still but it's still it's still key, 611 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, like like I'm a human being. Like you know, 612 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: they're like, but look at you as if you're there's 613 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: something out of a out of a out of a 614 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: dream run of a movie. 615 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: You because you're black, you're American. You know, they think 616 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: you from New York most time. I'm not from New York. 617 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: I don't New York is a way a long way 618 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: from Texas. You know, I want to go to New York. 619 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: I'm not from New York. You can come to Texas, 620 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: come to Houston. Yeah, we'll show you good time down 621 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: there too. Uh. 622 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: The weirdest jim you ever played in. 623 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: You know, the you know, most of the gym in Israel. 624 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: I got the one side like it's high school. 625 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, so I played in one. I played in 626 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: one in Russia and mineral and it's called mineral Voda 627 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: like translates the mineral water. It's in the South and 628 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: they had an American dude who played there forever I 629 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: forget his name, old head whatever. He made a bunch 630 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: of money and it was the ugliest town ever. And 631 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: we go to this gym and it's got a wall 632 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: like it felt like a foot from the sidelines, and 633 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: then like on the other side there was a couple 634 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: of rows of stands, and then in the baseline there 635 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: was like probably ten rows of stands, and then they 636 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: had like a track balcony that went on the top 637 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: and that was like five deep in people standing to 638 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: watch the game. And I was like, this shit looks 639 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: dangerous as hell. But I'm thinking to myself, like we 640 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: had the best team in Rush of the year. I 641 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: was there, and we had expensive team and we're playing 642 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: in some yanky ass at gim. You're like, damn. 643 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: All right, No, I went and paid one month in 644 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: Dominic Republic and going to the gym and you look 645 00:31:51,200 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: up like that's outside, that's it goes a wall, a 646 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: big gap, big space, being a roof, you birds flying through, 647 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: you know, using the rest of them on the court. 648 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, what where are we at? But when I 649 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: tell you, it was rocking, It was rocking in there. 650 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: We sweating this so hot, so humid, but man, the 651 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: crowd is into it. Every time you we score, crowd 652 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: go crazy. They scored they going crazy. That's probably the 653 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: craziest gym I ever you know, played in right there. 654 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. So for people who don't know 655 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: and come, I'm wrong, the dr Puerto Rico and Venezuela, 656 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: those are like they're like spring pro leagues, right right, 657 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: and so and so most dudes do that to a 658 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: lot of guys, were guys that were like G League 659 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: guys or overseas guys that get cut. It's just a 660 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: good way to make quick buck. Well, you can go 661 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: Philippines the same way. Right, we can go there. You 662 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: don't to stay long. And so, uh, did you play 663 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: in Venezuela too. 664 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: Or just the pr on D. 665 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: But it's but it's also like you got to produce 666 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: right away or they get rid of you too. 667 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, no, that's what happened when I first 668 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,719 Speaker 2: time went to Puerto Rico. I went down and replaced 669 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: a guy in the in the playoffs first round the playoffs. 670 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: In the first game was at home, and I'm watching 671 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: the first round, the first game of the series, and 672 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: I replaced him the next for the next game. I'm 673 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: seeing him play, and I'm like, this is a cold word, 674 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: y'all bring me in to replace this guy, and I'm 675 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: watching the game and he actually paid well, they got 676 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: him up out of there the next day. So I'm like, 677 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: who am I to say what you can and can't do? 678 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: But just as when you take their apartment, that's here 679 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: and ship. 680 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, well, I'm saying, go in there. 681 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: You know, they put me in the same apartment. He's 682 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 2: left some things. I'm like, man, I said, should I 683 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: mail him back to him? Or what? You know? Did 684 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: y'all clean this place first before y'all put me in here? 685 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 2: That's the first that's the first question you asked you. 686 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, definitely a solid question. Yeah, Like, it's 687 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: really interesting how many people want to push the college 688 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: thing to become a professional thing. And those are a 689 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: lot of people that have never played professional basketball. 690 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, they don't. They don't understand the 691 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 2: ruthless business that it is professional basketball. And it really is. 692 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: Uh okay, So let me be the first to congratulate 693 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: you because at the time of this recording, in five minutes, 694 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: it can be announced you're the whack coach of the year. Wow, 695 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: that's pretty freaking awesome. 696 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 2: It is. 697 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: I mean think about that. From from finding out the 698 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: night before you're going on a trip to California to 699 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden you're named the whack coach 700 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: the Year. What's that like for you? 701 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 2: Really can't explain it. I'm just I'm happy because the 702 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 2: guy and they played, they busted off for me this year, 703 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 2: you know, and I appreciate them for doing that. But 704 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's just something I never I didn't think 705 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: that would happened to me. You don't think you don't 706 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: think about culture of the Year. The only thing you 707 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 2: worry about it is thinking about trying to win championships 708 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 2: and to have to be awarded that, man, it means 709 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 2: I did something good and you know, and somebody, somebody, 710 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 2: somebody had to vote. So I'm I'm happy for that. 711 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 2: I'm ecstatic. 712 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: You are steen as an incredible defensive mind defensive coach. Right. 713 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: Part of it is obviously yours of playing, and part 714 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: of it is what you focused on since since coach. 715 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: If somebody would ask you, like, ay, man, like, what's 716 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: what's the secret? What what is your What are your 717 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: little things that you like to implement that you harp 718 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: on that are important on a daily base because we 719 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: always talk about fundamentals offensively, you know when you talking 720 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: about basketball like man, every day you gotta work on 721 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: passing and cutting and movement and the fundamentals. What are 722 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: those fundamental things defensively which have allowed you to be 723 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: widely regarded as an outstanding defensive coach? 724 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 2: Just being a staying active, staying active, you ain't take 725 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: any places off. And what I like to you know 726 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: what I harp on to these guys. These kids don't 727 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: like to play defense these days, and that's just part 728 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 2: of it. That is part of basketball now generation, this 729 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 2: generation doesn't like to play defense. So I tell him, 730 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 2: if you don't want to play defense, don't let you 731 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: guys catch the ball. Then you'll never have to play defense. 732 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: I love that I'd actually told it. I've actually used 733 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: that to my sons. My son is little in eighth grade. 734 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: He hadn't grown yet, right, so he's like, Dad, I 735 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: keeps is showing me. He'show me he's too big for me. 736 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, here's the deal, buddy. If he 737 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: doesn't catch it, he can't I just show you. 738 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 2: Right, And I learned the hallway. You know. I pride 739 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 2: myself on defense, and people say, oh, you don't pay 740 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 2: no defense. I learned real quick. We're playing in the 741 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 2: program when I was in college in Houston and were 742 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 2: playing against with Sean Lewis. This is at the time 743 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 2: when with charlottuis at Seattle. You know, so he's good, 744 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 2: you know, and it's in Houston, so they're gonna take 745 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 2: care of him as well. After about two or three 746 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: Ice holds at the top of the key, I'm like, 747 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 2: hold on, man, I own him. I don't care where 748 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 2: he had in the court. He's not catching the ball. 749 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: You know, they're not gonna let your guard and where 750 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 2: you want to guard him. And he's he's a he's 751 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 2: he's a pretty good basketball player. So it ain't got 752 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: the way I wanted to work out every time. So 753 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: let me just eliminate the whole deal and don't let 754 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 2: him catch it all. 755 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: When you when you sub, do you say something like 756 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: you pull a guy sub of him? Do you say 757 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: a guy do you say something to them? You know 758 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: the assistants handled you. Let him like walk on by 759 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: and just feel your energy, like what's your what are 760 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: you like? When you take guys in it out? 761 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,439 Speaker 2: It depends on the situation, and it depends on the guy. 762 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: I got it. I got a great relationship with all 763 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 2: the kids, but you know some you know, I kind 764 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: of hold him a little bit higher than than others. 765 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 2: So you know, once you but you know, you bring 766 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 2: him off and he's not doing what he's supposed to do. 767 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 2: You know, I tell him, like, you're probably gonna be 768 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: here a while. So either you can go down there 769 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 2: sit at the end, or you can go sit in there, 770 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 2: real close to the coaches, you know, and hope that 771 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 2: I look down there and try to put you back 772 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 2: in because but I say different things. But you know, 773 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 2: I say something to him if it's to the if 774 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 2: it's real bad, you know, I show my my true 775 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 2: colors as a player, still a player. He come off, 776 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm not shaking your hand or nothing. Man, you're messing 777 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: up the game for us. And if I was playing 778 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 2: with you, I would have told Coach some of you 779 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 2: out a long time ago. 780 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: That's that's real right there. 781 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 2: Playing. I've done that a few times. 782 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: So sure, get him, coach, Get get him the fuck out. 783 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: He's killing us him, Get him and for him, he's 784 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: gonna be me again, exactly right. Okay, So last thing, 785 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: Billy got an extension. Mm hmm, right, but you got 786 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: the coach of the year right, right, So how does it? 787 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: How does it work? Did you guys all get extended? 788 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: Like what what happened when when he got extended? 789 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 2: I think I think we I don't know, I don't 790 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: know how it goes, but I think we all got extended. 791 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 2: But I could be wrong. At the end of the day, 792 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: it's all who coach, you know, wants to bring back 793 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 2: on his coaching staff. That's what it comes down to 794 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 2: at the school, want to renew contracts, That's that's But 795 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 2: I think that since you're here already and the head 796 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: coach gets extended, I would think that everybody gets an extension. 797 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: And your coaching the year, I think that you're pretty good. 798 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,439 Speaker 1: But it also has to make you think. I don't 799 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: know where you thought you were in your growth curve 800 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: as a coach in terms of being ready. But you 801 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: have to feel ready now, don't you like to have 802 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: your own team? 803 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 2: I feel I feel ready. You know, some people might 804 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 2: say I'm not ready, But at the end of the day, 805 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 2: who knows if they're ready or not until they in 806 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 2: the moment. No one knows. So like I didn't never 807 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 2: think that, you know, you bet I would be a 808 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 2: pretty good basketball player. I stepped on the court. First 809 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 2: game happened, second game happened, third game, and so on. 810 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 2: I kept getting better, kept showing showing that I can 811 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 2: deserve to be on the court. You know, I think 812 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 2: the same thing probably goes into coaching as well, especially 813 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 2: a head coach. You know, it doesn't You don't know 814 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 2: until you really do it. And if people say that, 815 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 2: you know, what I did this year is a you know, 816 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 2: had something to do with that, I would think that, hey, it, 817 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 2: we would be okay, I'll be. 818 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,240 Speaker 1: Well, okay. So look, I do think that coaching is different. 819 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 1: But I also think that in terms of preparation playing 820 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: thirteen years for all those different coaches and all those 821 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: different systems, like. 822 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 2: You know. 823 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: Like again, I don't want to say that everybody's ready 824 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: to coach right after they get done playing, but in 825 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: many ways that's just as if not more value for 826 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: thirteen years. 827 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 2: I think. 828 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: So I think what you've done both out. 829 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 2: I think I think so because you know, I see 830 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 2: playing those playing those years, I see the game a 831 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: little bit different when at times you know and understand, 832 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 2: you know what's what's going on a little bit more. 833 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 2: You know, when I first when I got back into coach. 834 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 2: When I got into coaching, I started seeing a lot 835 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 2: of people running your euro ball screen offense. I'm like, 836 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 2: I ran that every team I played played on. I 837 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen before it even you know, before 838 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 2: the players developed, just because of the players that you 839 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 2: have on the court, and I know what's gonna I 840 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 2: know what what they're designated to do. You know, you can't. 841 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 2: You're gonna tweak it so much to make it your own. 842 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 2: But for the most part, it's gonna happen the same 843 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 2: thing's gonna happen. The ball is gonna be reversed from 844 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 2: side to side, back, cut, handoff or you know, pitch 845 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 2: and and ball screen, that's gonna it's gonna happen the 846 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 2: same way regardless. So, you know, just seeing that, I 847 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 2: started understanding that, you know, more of the European game 848 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 2: started making its way into college. So I'm like, this 849 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 2: is what I'm used to. I've been playing for thirteen years, 850 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,240 Speaker 2: you know, and I've been I played a lot of minutes, 851 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 2: so you know, I've seen it, so I understand it. 852 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 2: My basketball eye is okay enough to see it and 853 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 2: recognize it. 854 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: Have you have you made a mistake that you owned 855 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: up to to the players. 856 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I have, I have, I have. You know, 857 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 2: it was a couple of games just I don't want 858 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 2: to tell him a secret to what I to my 859 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 2: coaching style, but you know I told him that I 860 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 2: felt like I should have made you know, made made 861 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 2: an adjustment, you know, in the game a little bit 862 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 2: sooner than than than I did. Maybe that would have 863 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 2: helped us, you know, win the game. And ever since then, 864 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 2: I've been I've been. 865 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: Look, I can't speak to every okay, but it does 866 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: feel like our generation of guys, especially guys that play, 867 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: we'll say to a team like, hey, I fucked that up. 868 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: Guys listen more when you're more honest with them and 869 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,720 Speaker 1: you say like, hey, we all screwed up. I screwed 870 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 1: it up a little bit. You know. Have you noticed 871 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: that as well? 872 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? I know that I noticed that. I noticed that, 873 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 2: and and and the guys you know, they always had 874 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 2: they always have them back when I tell him that. Now, Jojo, man, 875 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 2: that was on us. You know, we could have did 876 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 2: this and did that better. We should have done this, 877 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 2: you know, we did all we didn't listen to you 878 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,760 Speaker 2: when you told us this. You know. They they've always 879 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 2: right there, you know, and backed me with when I 880 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 2: when I say that to them, and I and I 881 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 2: tell them same thing. Man, We're gonna all make mistakes. 882 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 2: You know. We can't control everything, but we can try 883 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 2: to get better each and every day and when that day, 884 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 2: and that's what we try to do. 885 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: Did you you got you guys have comp cars and assistance. 886 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 2: No, no, I got my own car. 887 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,919 Speaker 1: Even as the interim head coach and now the Coach 888 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: of the year. We don't have you with a cop car. Ah. 889 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 2: No, I'm still I'm still still fishing my big dog. 890 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: What's the big dog? What's what's what's the weapon you're 891 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: driving to work? 892 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen. 893 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: Yukondinalite, bro we got I mean no disrespect to yukondinality. 894 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: I've had I've had that myself. Wait, do you have 895 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: the okay you kind of such an suv? Yeah, but 896 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: we we coach of the year in the whack. We 897 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: need somebody, somebody in in town's got to hook you 898 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: up with a with a new ride. That's kind of right. 899 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 2: Never know, you never know, I'm not I'm not going 900 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 2: to turn it down. I know that. 901 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: How are you in Texas and you don't have a pickup? 902 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,240 Speaker 1: I just never I mean sub is kind of suv, 903 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: is kind of a Hooper's pickup. Yeah yeah, have you 904 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: owned it? Have you owned a pickup? 905 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 2: No? I haven't. You know, for the because I lived 906 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,880 Speaker 2: in Houston, So you know, when I was coming up 907 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 2: and I played, and he is Houston most time I'm 908 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 2: coming up, that's all the all the Hoopers had escalades 909 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 2: and stuff like that, so you know that's what I seen. 910 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 2: So I'm like, you know, at the enduring that time, 911 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 2: I couldn't afford to escalate, so I said, let me 912 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,439 Speaker 2: get the next best thing. 913 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: I think thought, well, uh, that's that's my new have 914 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: a new goal. A new goal is to use this 915 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: podcast to get the Whack Coach of the Year, the 916 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Whack Coach of the Year, a new 917 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 1: a new ride, a comp new ride too. You ain't 918 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: comeing out of pocket for it. That's got to be 919 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: part of the deal. The deal. 920 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's unacceptable. 921 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: It's unacceptable. And then you're like, you know, you can 922 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: sell it to the guys like, hey man, this is 923 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: not my car. This is all of our car. You 924 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: guys won this for me. 925 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 2: It is great. 926 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna drive it home. 927 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is you need a ride? Just how let me? 928 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 2: You know, I think I can give you a ride. 929 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 2: I don't think it's against the rules give you a 930 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 2: ride somewhere. So yeah, now you hear about the perks 931 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 2: as as a player. You know all the coaches getting 932 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 2: vehicles and stuff and getting free food. And you know 933 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 2: the hook up I got is I get a couple 934 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 2: of free meals every once in a while. But it's 935 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 2: haven't been a call, you know. 936 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: Give it. Give a shout out. Best place to grab 937 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: a meal in town is where. 938 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 2: Oh man, that's tough. It's tough. It's just spending what 939 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 2: you want. Ass tech us pretty good, Purple Gold pretty good. 940 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 2: You know, uh take us good for what Mexican food? 941 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: But what like, what's your what's your Meskan food order? 942 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,800 Speaker 1: You a torta guy? You a taco guy, you'r a 943 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: burrito guy? What do you? 944 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 2: I'm I'm a I'm a uh pork guy. I like 945 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 2: I like, I like I like. 946 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: In a taco in a burrito jeans. 947 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 2: Most time I'm just you know, on the plate with 948 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 2: some with some with some with some uh chero beans 949 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 2: and rice. 950 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: All right, when you're back home in Houston, where's your spot? 951 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: Like every time I roll into Houston, I have to 952 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:52,839 Speaker 1: go here. 953 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 2: Used to be Papa Doos, but now it's uh now 954 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 2: it's it's so many. That's just I just stick with Papados. 955 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: Is good. It's a chain, but it's good. 956 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 2: But that's, you know, because the people don't understand. Like 957 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 2: everybody like soul food places, I'm gonna eat soul food. 958 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 2: I get sold food anytime I want. I grew up 959 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 2: on it. So if if anything, if I'm gonna go somewhere, 960 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go home and let my mom cook for me. 961 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So when your mom cooks for you and she 962 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: knows what you want, what do you what's your soul 963 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: food on. 964 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,479 Speaker 2: H I'm a big, I'm a big, I'm a big. 965 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 2: How do they got how do they food? So? Sweet? Potatoes, greens, 966 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 2: u any kind of meat you can be steak, turkey, 967 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, not a ham guy like that, but any 968 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 2: kind of meat, chicken. But if she put that in 969 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 2: there and then some cage and cabbage and some corn bread, 970 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,479 Speaker 2: I'm set. And then she thought but now the putting 971 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 2: in there and a sweet potato pie, maybe it'll become pie. 972 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm all good. 973 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: That's that sounds amazing. That sounds amazing. I'm looking for 974 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: the invite. You tell me when you're going. I've never 975 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: had Cajun cabbage though, so I don't even know what 976 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: that is, Like I've had all the rest. 977 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, my mom. I don't know where she 978 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 2: got it from. She just cooks it and I hate it. 979 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 2: So I love it. I love it. 980 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,879 Speaker 1: Sounds sounds amazing. Well, you made a proud your coach 981 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: of the year. We're gonna get you a new car. 982 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: It's gonna be done. Yeah, I appreciate gonna it's gonna 983 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,879 Speaker 1: be It's gonna be done. Well. I like watching as 984 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: a player. I enjoyed talking to you as a coach 985 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,879 Speaker 1: even more. Thanks so much for joining metal Ball. 986 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 2: He appreciate you having me on. 987 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: All right, that's it for my conversation with the new 988 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: WHAC coach of the Year. Think about that. Doesn't actually 989 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,439 Speaker 1: know if he'll be back at Charlton State next year. 990 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: Won twenty three games, is the internead coach and hasn't 991 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: been told if the contract extension for the head coach 992 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: means he gets that check extension. Nonetheless, pretty good in 993 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: your resume what he's been able to accomplish, and even 994 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,320 Speaker 1: better than we got to know him. It'd be awesome. 995 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed it. Remember The Doug Gottlieb Show is 996 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: daily three to five Eastern trop Too Pacific. Plus we 997 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: have a podcast hour. You can listen to it in 998 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 1: podcasts for But tell your friends about this one. This 999 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 1: is a good one thanks to Joe Jones, interead coach 1000 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: at Charlton State. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball