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Speaker 1: Fake questions, Real answers. There are questions I want to answer,

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Speaker 1: It's time for our Friday feature, Fake Questions, Real Answers.

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin, I saw your taking the European Soccer League

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Speaker 1: where you mocked them for not having the quote Cojones

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Speaker 1: you know nothing about soccer. Do you know anything about soccer?

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Speaker 1: For one, my mom's from Europe, I've spent a summer

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Speaker 1: as a kid. They're watching a World Cup. Then I

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Speaker 1: grew up in Seattle with the Sounders. I think we

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Speaker 1: all know Seattle's a great soccer city. I worked in

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Speaker 1: Portland Clive Charles Portland Pilot's a top program and covered them.

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Speaker 1: I like soccer twice. I've tried to buy an interest

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Speaker 1: a share in the MLS. So yeah. I'm also a

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Speaker 1: season ticket holder to LAFC and I missed very few

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Speaker 1: United States men's national team games. Listen, this move wasn't

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Speaker 1: about soccer. This move was about the big dogs in

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Speaker 1: Europe wanting a larger share of revenue. I've said this before.

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Speaker 1: I think college football should break away from athletic departments

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Speaker 1: and privatize. Why should Ohio State have to fund every

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Speaker 1: athletic department in Columbus. I'm going to always support the

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Speaker 1: biggest brands in sports who always pay a disproportionate share

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Speaker 1: of the bills. Do you know when Purdue in Iowa

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Speaker 1: comes to town and Ohio State saying why are we

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Speaker 1: splitting the revenue? I agree, Real Madrid, Barcelona, man, you

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Speaker 1: wanted a bigger share, and I think they deserve it.

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin, out of all the topics you've ever discussed

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Speaker 1: one you hope to never discuss again? That's easy. The

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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy. It is an embarrassingly parochial award where the

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Speaker 1: West Coast writers vote for the best Pack twelve players,

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Speaker 1: and the Midwestern writers vote for the best Big ten players,

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Speaker 1: and the Southern writers vote for the best SEC players.

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Speaker 1: You basically have to be a quarterback, a running backer, receiver,

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Speaker 1: and at about eight programs that dominate the competition and

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Speaker 1: get on television every week. Now in terms of the

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Speaker 1: actual ceremony every year on Saturday Night that you cannot miss.

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Speaker 1: It is the weirdest hour of sports television in America.

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Speaker 1: Every year Studley college players surrounded by wax figures. Well

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Speaker 1: they're people, but they looked like wax figures. It's a funeral,

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Speaker 1: but with less energy. That I don't miss. Dear Colin,

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Speaker 1: if you think you know so much about football and scouting,

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Speaker 1: why don't you do everybody a favor retire from broadcasting

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Speaker 1: and become a general manager. Well, because at eight years old,

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to be a general manager. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to be a broadcaster. And I've poured forty five years

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Speaker 1: poured forty five years of your passion into it. It's

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Speaker 1: a transferable skill. It's not like I have musical or

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Speaker 1: can be taught. But to be a general manager, you

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Speaker 1: first have to be a scout and for a long time,

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin, you swear sometimes in your podcast, but you

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Speaker 1: don't on television. How do you keep the f bombs

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Speaker 1: one with Jim Harbaugh? Well, Harbaugh is one, two and three.

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Speaker 1: exhausting for me. So Mike, I came, I had an

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Speaker 1: think he had a point. Yeah, I think he did.

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Speaker 1: I remember the Coke Pepsi deal. It was very much

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Speaker 1: what Mark Cuban did with the NBA. He pushed back.

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Speaker 1: And that's why Mark Cuban can't get into the baseball

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Speaker 1: because he's a pushback guy. And that's three. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I like where. I really do like where the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that's interesting, Mike is that,

431
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Speaker 1: and I've said this, do you know Tim Cune very well?

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Speaker 1: In fact, Tim did the first Dennis Rodman book. I

433
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Speaker 1: kind of introduced Tim and Dennis because I was unable

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Speaker 1: to do that book Tim did. Tim did such a

435
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Speaker 1: good job on it that I believe it was the

436
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Speaker 1: biggest selling sports biography and history to that point. Yeah.

437
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: So he, uh, you know, ghost write my two books.

438
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Speaker 1: I'm done writing book. It's ditch digging. I didn't like it,

439
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: but it was fun. And challenging. But we've talked about

440
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: this that baseball is the thinking man sport. It's a

441
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: chess game. But yet there's this rigidity in the sport.

442
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: The lack of progressive insight drives me crazy. Football is

443
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: considered neanderthal. They'll literally change rules at halftime of a game.

444
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: What's fascinating is the knuckle dragging football. Sport is so

445
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: smart and progressive and willing to adapt and evolve hourly.

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00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: Baseball the geniuses the sports, Stephen Hawking and Stephen King

447
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: and anybody you know with an IQ above one ninety.

448
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: That sport literally took longer than Little League baseball. You

449
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: get the replay figured out time in locker rooms. I mean,

450
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: most football players have to study their craft more than

451
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Speaker 1: anyone would imagine. And are you know they went to

452
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Speaker 1: college Like, they're pretty thoughtful about what they do, and

453
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of information they have to retain. Uh

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Speaker 1: Baseball baseball players sit in the clubhouse that don't seem

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Speaker 1: to have much to do. And uh I once said

456
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: covering horse racing was very similar to covering baseball, except

457
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: that the horses were typically better. Quotes that that wasn't

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Speaker 1: every that wasn't every baseball player, but s well, I'll

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Speaker 1: move off that. That's very funny. I knew there was

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Speaker 1: a reason that brought you on silver. So um so, my, my,

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Speaker 1: My feeling on the draft is we always you know,

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Speaker 1: guys like me have I gotta fill twelve segments a day,

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Speaker 1: ten minutes a segment, and so it would be like

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Speaker 1: you doing six columns a day. Sometimes you just one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons I think I'm a little bit of

466
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Speaker 1: a theorist. It fills time, it's fun. I like the thought.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if I'm right. I just like talking

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Speaker 1: about stuff. And um and I said today what we

469
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Speaker 1: should do is not talk about the quarterbacks until after

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Speaker 1: they're drafted and tell me where they land, because then

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Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee you where they'll struggle. Zach Wilson

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Speaker 1: with Robert Sala, who will be the fourth best coach

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Speaker 1: in that division, presumably for the first couple years. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna be hard, battle line, shakey owner, new coach Tray Lance.

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Speaker 1: And this is one of the things I feel strongly

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Speaker 1: about is that I don't think at Lanta is going

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Speaker 1: to take a quarterback. I don't because I think what's

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my theory on this because what Trey

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00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: Lance does well, Matt Ryan does poorly. And so if

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance plays well in exhibition games or at practice

481
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Speaker 1: with a bigger arm and more mobile and fans see that,

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Speaker 1: and the Falcons go on a three game losing street,

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Speaker 1: which they're prone to do, the pushback will be extreme

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00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: from the fans and the media and it'll last two years.

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Speaker 1: You will not be able to sit Tray. You know.

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Speaker 1: What's so what if you take a guy at four?

487
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Speaker 1: Who cares? If you take a guy at four, then yeah,

488
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna play and soon. And if Matt Ryan withers

489
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: in that competition, then what do you lose? It's a

490
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: new coach Duga now. And that's not to say that

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Speaker 1: they will take Trey Lance or a quarterback. That would

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Speaker 1: be the argument. I think this though. Trey Lance is

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Speaker 1: so interesting to me because on one level, he is very,

494
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Speaker 1: very hard to project as a play right away. Guy. Ay,

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00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: he is from let's just say it, from North Dakota State.

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Speaker 1: You know, bless Carson Wentz for coming in and looking

497
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Speaker 1: good early. I think that would be considered an anomaly

498
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: if you look at the history of very very small schools.

499
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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Flacco transferred from pitt to Delaware and

500
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: was pretty good right away. But for the most part,

501
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Speaker 1: people who come from lead a little schools and play quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know, Steve McNair, it usually takes a while. By

503
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Speaker 1: the way, even Big Ben, they basically we're babysitting him

504
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Speaker 1: for a year and a half. I mean to North

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Speaker 1: Dakota State in college football, as you know, the New

506
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: England Patriots franchises to the Cincinnati Bengals. I mean, it's

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00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: not you know, it's it's bigger. Okay, So that's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, from what I hear about Trey Lance, it

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00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: does sound like, yeah, his skill set would be one

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Speaker 1: where you'd like him to develop, you know, over a

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00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: little bit of time. Number three, he played one game

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Speaker 1: in fifteen, butts, you know, he didn't have a season.

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00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: He um he might not have ever led a two

514
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: minute drive because I think they were almost always ahead

515
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: in those other games and he only started that one year.

516
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: So all those things say to me. Wait, there's one

517
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: thing though, that says to me, I don't know, he's

518
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: the only one of those guys who take snaps under

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00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: center all the time. And uh, you know, so in

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00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: a year, whether there might be a virtual offseason for

521
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: part of it and you're not, you're still not going

522
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: to have the usual ability to grind your rookie. Not

523
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: as bad as last year, but not ideal. Um. Yeah,

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00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: maybe I want the guy who actually can go over there,

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00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: take a snap under center, run a play action drop

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00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: back on timing. So that's just another piece of a

527
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: weird puzzle. And so if mac Jones does go three,

528
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: you've got two guys Fields and Lands. So I think

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00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be saying I

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00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: love them a year from now or two years from now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I love them today, but I

532
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: think if you draft them that high, there's it's going

533
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: to start skewing very hard to work. I probably love

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00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: them today. Yeah. And also, Mike, it's really I'm a

535
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: college football die hard. It's a really bad quarterback draft

536
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: next year, at least we don't as we see it now.

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00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: It's it's like, yeah, there's brows of the world sometimes

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00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: you know assent, Yeah, yes, but yeah, um, but I

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00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: do think if you like Trey Lance, and I mean

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00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: most of these guys, if you talked to a less

541
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: sneed and I have he's projecting two years out. I mean,

542
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: he knows what next year's draft looks like. And they're

543
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, they're crossing their fingers on bow Nicks at Auburn,

544
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Slovis at USC who I just don't think has the

545
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: prototypical body to play in the NFL. He gets hurt

546
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: a lot in the Pac twelve. But let me move

547
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: to this. So I have a theory that everybody's got

548
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: a hole. Doesn't matter if it's Bezos, read Hastings at Netflix.

549
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Everybody's got a hole. It doesn't matter except us. We

550
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: are wizards. But Belichick has struggled mightily drafting wide receivers.

551
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: And it's interesting. I've had people call me and say,

552
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: does he or was Tom Brady such a perfectionist that

553
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: he just wouldn't let him develop? And that Edelman and

554
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: took for years? Is that Tom is the reason? By

555
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: the way, He's drafted good offensive lineman, he's drafted good

556
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: tight ends, he's drafted solid running backs. Harris looks good,

557
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle. Do you look at Belichick and go he

558
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: can't draft a receiver for the life of him? Or

559
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: do you say, guess what Brady was the issue at

560
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: wide receiver because they draft everything else pretty good. Oh man,

561
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: Scotty Miller looks like he's developing. I mean, I think

562
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: this is how I see it, because again I'm old,

563
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: so I used to be real close with Brady and

564
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people close to him, and for six

565
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: years there was a lot of you know, Peyton Mannings

566
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: got Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and among others. And

567
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: is Marcus Pollard he is setting passing records. And Tom

568
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: has the on branch who is a really nice player,

569
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of little mini guys you don't really know,

570
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: like David Gibbons and Troy Brown, and you know he's not.

571
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: We have to win, you know, we went with defense

572
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: and clutch play and field goals. Heaven forbid, we get

573
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: Tom some actual weapons, and then they got Randy Boss,

574
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: Dante Stalworth and Wes Welker, who granted at the time,

575
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: was not considered a weapon. And it was like, oh,

576
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: they just set records. It was the best offense we've

577
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: ever seen at He's the MVP, So that would suggest

578
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: that that was a personnel issue. Now, on the other hand, yes,

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00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: Brady is exacting, and you know there may be some

580
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: merit in if he doesn't trust you, you get buried.

581
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: But I would tend to say that they the Patriots

582
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: were not exceptionally aggressive what it can to getting elite

583
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: talent at that position. And when they tried to get

584
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: elite talent to kill Harry Chad Jackson, the infamous draft

585
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: pick that you know, you looked at them and said, yeah,

586
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: there's something else wrong. Like in Chad Jackson's case, I

587
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: think he was like a knucklehead, putting it charitably. I

588
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with Harry. I haven't been

589
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, we had a year off basically of access,

590
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: so but you know I heard for twelve years a

591
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: very justifiable you know, I went eleven to five with

592
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: that Castle, and we went three to one with Jimmy

593
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: and Jacoby Brissette. And that's true. But Tom Brady just

594
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: left with in an offseason designed to make what he

595
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: was specifically doing impossible because he was going to a

596
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: new team with no offseason or preseason, and took the

597
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers to a resounding sup We're both triumph,

598
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: beating Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Patrick Mahomes. A logged

599
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: the way, while the Patriots flamed out. So I would

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00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: say at this point the any Belichick versus Brady argument

601
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: has skewed a little a little the other way. I'm

602
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: just saying, after twelve years of Castle. By the way,

603
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: Brady was pretty testy on the uniform changed. This may

604
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: I go on a rat here, This is great. There

605
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: was a playoff game. I want to get the year right.

606
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: I think it was. I want to say twenty eleven,

607
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have to look this up. But the

608
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: Patriots were losing to the Ravens at home. I think

609
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: maybe it was in Baltimore. Patriots were losing to the Ravens.

610
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: I think it was at home. It was looking bad,

611
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they started running this

612
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: really weird formation. Might have been later than twenty eleven,

613
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: but anyway, Shane Vereen is lined up in the slot,

614
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: but he's not eligible, but some other guy is eligible,

615
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: and they're covering Shane Vereen as you would normally cover

616
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: number thirty four in the slot, and the refs. It

617
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: happened fast, and the refs are supposed to slow it

618
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: down at that point and explained every play to John

619
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: Harb on the sidelines. Okay, so this is what they're

620
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: doing here. It's technical, it's remember illegal, but you need

621
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: to know this. And the refs were so caught off

622
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: guard it like Bill found a loophole in the rules,

623
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: and the refs were so caught off guard that they

624
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: just ran through. And it turned the game around and

625
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots. What the playoff game. I'm gonna google the

626
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: year in a second, and I remember such bs And

627
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: it was technically legal. It was more on the refs

628
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: to have regulated it in a way they didn't. But

629
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: the spirit of it, I thought was just garbage. And

630
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: so the irony of Tom Brady, the recipient of Shane

631
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: Breen lining up number thirty four ineligible in the slot,

632
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: is now whining because, oh no, I'm not gonna know'e

633
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: number seventeen is a linebacker or safety? Really, bro, Like,

634
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna in fact, I hope I'm on NFL network soon.

635
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Speaker 1: I hope that they let me rant. I just that

636
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: is unbelievable to be, of all humans to whine about this.

637
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: It is amazing that the recipient of that gift from

638
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: the refs of the football gods would be the one

639
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: to draw attention to it. Is amazing. So pivot to

640
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Speaker 1: John Gruden. I worked with him and I thought he

641
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: was a great broadcaster. I have this belief having talked

642
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: to general managers through the years, NBA, Baseball, NFL don't

643
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: let coaches into the personnel rooms. They fall in love

644
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: with players. You got to fall in like with him,

645
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: and I saw Gruden on television, Randy Johnny Manziel should

646
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: have been the number one pick. It's like, dude, half

647
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: the teams took him off their half. The teams took

648
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: him off their f and board like he was just

649
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 1: small and erratic. And NFL dot Com did a piece

650
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: on GM's in the last five years of the draft

651
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: and Gruden was last. And if you look at the

652
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: picks he got from Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper, four

653
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: of those five are nothing. Burgers Jacobs is a nice

654
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: running back, but you could have gotten a good running

655
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: back in the second, third, or fourth round. Is Gruden

656
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: to this point, we know he's not getting fired, but

657
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: how close are you to just saying he's over his skis?

658
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, no coach in the NFL that has been

659
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: five hundred or worse for three straight years except Gruden

660
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: still employed. Are we just buying into it because we

661
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: like Gruden. That's the same column that had Chris Ballard

662
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Speaker 1: number one, which you know, given my earlier statements, one

663
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Speaker 1: I mean like, is John Schneide or not number one?

664
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know there are a lot of arguments

665
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: to be made. But listen, this is why I am

666
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: a John Gruten die hard because again being old, what

667
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: he did in Oakland the first time, I think is

668
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: underappreciated in retrospect. That culture was so bad, so dysfunctional,

669
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: so toxic. For all the great things Aul did in

670
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: the past, he had created a horrible situation where the

671
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: rafts are against es, the where old against es. It's

672
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: just everything about the Raiders was bad. It was an

673
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: almost impossible place to succeed. And as a very young coach,

674
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: John Gruten came in and he didn't just win there,

675
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: he changed all of that, that whole vibe. He got

676
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: them to stop being conspiracy theorists no offense. He got

677
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: them to stop whinding, put their heads down, be tough,

678
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: fight creates something and was a tough rule away probably

679
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Speaker 1: from you know, getting them to the super Bowl before

680
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: he left, and an Al Davis weird ego, you know

681
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: block where he should have had a contract extension and

682
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: he should have stayed. So that to me always sticks

683
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Speaker 1: with me. What he did that first time more than

684
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Speaker 1: what he did at Tampa, which is really cool that

685
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: he won that super Bowl against his former team with

686
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: a team that he walked into. But what he did,

687
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: Oklu was real and it was one of the more

688
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: striking things I've seen. So yeah, he was a really

689
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: good broadcaster. He won a super Bowl in Tampa. But

690
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: that to me is why you believe in John Bruden.

691
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: Now it's the NFL, like you know, Yeah, if you

692
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: don't win this year, you're probably getting fired ten year

693
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: contract or otherwise. No matter how much the owner loves you,

694
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: he might not because of that weird specific situation. We've

695
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: seen very recently that that owner, when he believes it's

696
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: something you've been most people see it and go that

697
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: seems like a weird thing to believe in. He might

698
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: dig in and just say, well, I'm keeping it this way.

699
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: So that's my anology. Well, well, Eric Mangini argues, he said,

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00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: listen like you. He looks at Gruden's pass with his

701
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and the turnaround in Oakland and He also

702
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 1: says this, he's gotten better all three years, and they're

703
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: better than Denver. And the Chargers have a rookie coach,

704
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: and if they finished second this year and make the

705
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: playoffs and they were close last year, then we're all

706
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: going to go at work. So Maninie's theory is, don't

707
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: give up on the Raiders yet. They've got a quarterback,

708
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: they've got some nice skill people. They really need a

709
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: rush in. Bill Romanowski said this week he likes Gruden,

710
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: but he said, man, you give up a Khalil Mack,

711
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: you may never get that again for the next decade.

712
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: Maybe that was a mistake, but Manginie's in or corner

713
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: that let's just wait one more year. If they finished

714
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: second and it's it's certainly possible, then I'm I guess

715
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: right now, I'm just a cynic. I'm a cynic because

716
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: I think he was he was a great broadcaster. Left

717
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: for a long time, and I think in the NFL

718
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: and in tech, it's hard to leave for a decade.

719
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: It's really hard. No, I mean, it's people have a

720
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: right to be cynical. I think I'm I'm you know

721
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: that that moment is imprinted on me. Having been close

722
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: to it, but it's certain. I mean, look, if you're

723
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: if you're just objectively saying, well, let's look at Anthony

724
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: Lynn and John Gruden's last three years, you'd say, well,

725
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn, despite all the close losses last year, had

726
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: a more impressive last three years. But he's now an

727
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for a guy who believes in fighting decaps

728
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: and kicking people in the teeth. But the other guy is,

729
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not even not the hot seat. So yeah,

730
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's I believe in him, but I grant anyone,

731
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: including you, the right to be duly cynical. At this point,

732
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: this was good. So you were very critical of Chris Ballard,

733
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: a lot of pushback your pro Gruden. You were very

734
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: nice to Brady, then you whacked him. This is exactly

735
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: silver why I bring you on. You gave me everything today.

736
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: Your palette. You've got just this wide ranging palette that

737
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: I love. One more question, because we gotta let you go.

738
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: There's rule changes in the NFL, and this is what

739
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: they're prone to do. NFL made a couple of tweaks.

740
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: They made it easier to recover an on sidekick. I

741
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: agree with that. They're gonna be a little harsher on taunting.

742
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: That's a point of emphasis you don't like. Okay, so

743
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: I got a reaction. So what is it meaning? Grow up? Man?

744
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: These are grown man? Like? Oh my god, did you

745
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: see did you see what Dadarius Smith did when he

746
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: sat Jack Prescott? That might hurt his feelings? Man? Like? Like? Really? Like? Stop? Now?

747
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: This is the rule I wanted to see adopted. And

748
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the perfect role, but

749
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: some version of it. But I agree on the outside kick.

750
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: The one that I wanted the most and that didn't

751
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: happen by far is the coach hiring proposal that the

752
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: Bills tried. And I don't know if it was the

753
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: perfect manifestation of it, but what the Pagolas and the

754
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: Bills suggested was this, no interviews till after the conference

755
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: championship game for any head coaching opening, and no hires

756
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: till after the Super Bowl period. Now you still have

757
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: the wink nod agreements in between, I'm sure, but slow

758
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: it down, make it more level, impact the playoff teams less,

759
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: and the and their coaches right, and give and give

760
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: the enemies and the Brian Day balls of last year

761
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: for example, give them gift teams a little bit less

762
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: of an excuse to make quick hires. You know, remember

763
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: two years ago, Kevin Stefanski's team, the Vikings as the

764
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator faced Robert Sala's team, the forty nine Ers

765
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: at the defensive coordinator. Robert Sali's unit manhandled Kevin Stefanski's

766
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: unit and the game ended, and naturally the Clayflood Browns

767
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: were like, we want the guy who's the unit got manhandled. Why, well,

768
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: maybe they wanted Stefanski. Anyway, it proved to be a

769
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: good hire, or they were like, we want the available one.

770
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: We don't want the guy who's going to be stuck

771
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: working for three more weeks as Robert Sali was staffs

772
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: getting poached. We want to hit the ground runnings. So

773
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Pagola proposal was the perfect one,

774
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: and I think they're going to keep studying this, but

775
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: that's the that's the energy I was looking for out

776
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: of the rule Champs. Very good work by you, Yeoman Effort.

777
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: I really appreciate this. Mike Silver's very small art guy,

778
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: and you're very tied in Silver. I like that you're

779
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: not one of these lazy guy that's mailing it in.

780
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: You're all a joint. My daughter and I have a podcast,

781
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: to Pass It Down podcast. It's available on all major platforms.

782
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: Someday I will I will try to hit you up

783
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: for an apparent. Here's the thing. I know you, and

784
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: I know I know how you are. You will bring

785
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: it so it'll be effortless, but you'll bring it so

786
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: hard on that that I feel sorry for the next guest.

787
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like following Hendrix at Monterey, Like who

788
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: who are? Like? We are not following him? He just burned.

789
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: He just sacrificed his electric guitar with lighter fluid and

790
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: burnt it on the stage. Literally, And no, we are

791
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: not coming up and playing. You know, can't explain to

792
00:48:54,200 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: open our show. We're not going on. You're the best buddy.

793
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's bring in Chad Millman, chief content officer,

794
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: my friend of the Action Network. So this is interesting.

795
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: I saw something this week, so I called Fan Duel.

796
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: I said, FanDuel, give me over unders because I just

797
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: saw another company put them up and they said, we

798
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: do it after the draft, which is probably the smarter

799
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: way to do it because there are teams. I mean

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Speaker 1: if Carolina got the best left tackle in this a

801
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: top corner, I would give him another win. I mean,

802
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: I do think you can improve in the draft. I

803
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: don't think you can go from bad to playoff. But

804
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: there are teams you know we're gonna have a real preseason,

805
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: so unlike last year where rookies basically didn't make an

806
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: impact until October and November, so fan duel waits till

807
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: after the draft to do their over unders. But I

808
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: will say this, I saw I have two teams I

809
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: feel very strongly about. I want to talk for a

810
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: second about Sa Francisco the Niners. So the overunder is

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Speaker 1: in that like ten win space, and I feel like

812
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Speaker 1: I'm not betting on the Niners. I'm betting on Garoppolo's health,

813
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: of which three of the last four years in the

814
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: toughest division in football, he's hurt by September. And I thought,

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Speaker 1: when I bet the ten wins over under on San Francisco,

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00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: really I'm just betting this. Can he stay healthy because

817
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Speaker 1: I don't think any rookie quarterback in that division is

818
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: going to flourish as a rookie, And so I thought

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, if ten's the number, and I'm

820
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: not sure what you think the numbers should be on

821
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Give it to me if you

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Speaker 1: think there's a number. I actually think that's a great under.

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Speaker 1: Bet your thoughts. I am a huge fan of the Niners,

824
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Speaker 1: and I do think I think ten is the right number.

825
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a consensus line of ten and a half,

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Speaker 1: so I would be comfortable betting over because of what

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Speaker 1: you just said about Garoppolo. Every time he plays, they're

828
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: a good team. Then you have Kyle Shanahan playing with Garoppolo,

829
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Speaker 1: who Shanahan is a master at game planning and scheming.

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00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: You cannot be unimpressed with what he did last season.

831
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes it seemed like he was having more fun playing

832
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: third stringers and competing in just about every single game

833
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: then he might have had when they were dominating on

834
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: their way to the super Bowl, because it plays to

835
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Speaker 1: his strengths of just putting the players out there that

836
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: he wants to that that he has to play, and

837
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: coming up with a scheme that is so good and

838
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: so much better than anyone else he is playing against.

839
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Speaker 1: I thought you saw last year the real delta between

840
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan as a coach and Sean McVay, who had

841
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: been the genius two years prior, because Kyle Shanahan was

842
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: so good with such a depleted roster. And I think

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00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: you get Jimmy g back. I think you get Bosta

844
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: back on the defensive line. I think you're gonna be

845
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: He's They're gonna be a much stronger team. And I

846
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: don't care what the Rams have added. I don't care

847
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: that Matthew Stafford is there now. He is not someone

848
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: who would scare me. Is someone else in that division?

849
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: I love them in that division? All right? Okay, here's

850
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: the other one, Millman. So the number of the number

851
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: on the Patriots hovers around nine and a half. What

852
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: would it be for you? I've got the I think

853
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: the Patriots are at eight, you know, ok here we go,

854
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: so here it is? Yeah, okay, I think it's the

855
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: second best over on the board. Here's why they were

856
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: a player from eight and eight. So people say Cam

857
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: Newton wasn't good. Cam Newton got COVID and the following

858
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: two weeks he was awful down the stretch. He was

859
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: not awful. What has Belichick owned in his career? Young

860
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks twa twice. Zach Wilson twice, and he has given

861
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: Josh Allen fitz cam now gets the second year in

862
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: a system eight players opt in. They have significantly upgraded

863
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: at tight end and at least are better at receiver.

864
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: This is a team that was a play from eight

865
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: n eight. The quarterback got COVID seventeen game schedule. Even

866
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: if they're not a super Bowl team, and I do

867
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: not believe they are eleven and six, that's six losses

868
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: for Belichick all the opt ins. He's going to have

869
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: two essentially rookie quarterbacks. He has owned rookie quarterbacks. I

870
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: love the Patriots over Oh my god, this is such

871
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: a terrible take. Oh my god, I list to your brilliant,

872
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: brilliant segment. I was in the car driving which one

873
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you last week where you broke down

874
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: the value of playing certain teams at certain times of

875
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: the year and that's how you will get to your

876
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: win totals and that's how you will get into the playoffs.

877
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: I thought, I totally thought it was brilliant. I will

878
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: tell you my fourteen year old in the car had

879
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: some quibbles with it, and we could talk about that offline.

880
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to take it. I don't want to

881
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: take it too deep right here criticizing your segment. I

882
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: thought it was great. You are looking at only the positives. Ay,

883
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: they didn't significantly upgrade at tight end. They got better

884
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: from being really really bad by signing a couple guys

885
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: who they're probably over paying for it. Number one, number

886
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: two Cam Newton was terrible, terrible, terrible, and even when

887
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: he was better at the end of the year, he

888
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: wasn't more accurate. He wasn't better at throwing the ball downfield.

889
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: He was just scoring a lot of touchdowns from inside

890
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: the five running the ball. Also, this defense not very good,

891
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: not improving. They are middle of the PAC team in

892
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: the draft. They are not going to get some high

893
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: profile player who's going to save them. Bill Belichick, great coach,

894
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: can't argue it, but he does not have the talent.

895
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: And don't even talk about they got better at wide receiver.

896
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: They are as mediocre at wide receiver as any other

897
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: team in the NFL. They are. They are the definition

898
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: of average in every single way. And basically what you're

899
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: betting on here, what you're betting is that Bill Belichick

900
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: can coach them to two more wins than they otherwise

901
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: would be expected to get, and I don't think he

902
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: can do that with the talent he has in the

903
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: field in that division. By the way, two was a

904
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: year removed from being a rookie fully healthy with a

905
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: brilliant coach in Brian Flores. You can say what you

906
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: want about Josh Allen. This could be a regression to

907
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: the mean year for the Bills, but I still think

908
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: their defense is so much better than what they played.

909
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott is such a good coach. This is a

910
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: team loaded with playmakers. I am not going to bet

911
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: on the Patriots to come away with say, five wins

912
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: in their division, which is what I think they would

913
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: need to get to ten wins. Interesting take all, right,

914
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: here's another one. Okay, So I was talking to a

915
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: guy in Vegas. They allow gambling there, and he said,

916
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Zimmer's a way better coach than you.

917
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: Guys think that Zimmer. He had him rated his either

918
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: third or fourth power rating for a coach. He really

919
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: thinks Zimmer's great. And I thought about you, I thought, well,

920
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: and he said, listen, last year they lost guys in

921
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: free agency. The GM's weird a little quirky. They just

922
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: they couldn't stop anybody in a division with Naggie's a

923
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: clever coach, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Staffer's. It wasn't great. You

924
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: have to have a pass rush on that division. Blah

925
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: blah blah whatever. So where do you rank Zimmer? Give

926
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: me on your power ranging rankings for coaches. Is Zimmer

927
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: underrated and who was overrated? Zimmer definitely underrated. I'm actually

928
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: a huge Mike Zimmer fan. I think that whoever you

929
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: were talking to in Vegas is a wise guy. And

930
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: I think what you saw last year with the Vikings

931
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: wasn't just and I'll get to the underrated overrated, but

932
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the fact that that they lost so

933
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: many players in free agency, is that there was no

934
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: preseason and where a guy like Zimmer thrives is bringing

935
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: together new players and putting in a scheme, especially on defense,

936
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: which is his specialty, and getting them to meld together.

937
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: And so the Vikings were terrible in the first month

938
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: of the year last year because that was basically their

939
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: preseason and they were figuring it out. And then you

940
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: saw as they got out of their by they became

941
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: a much better team, and all of a sudden people

942
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: were saying, Hey, this is a Super Bowl contending team.

943
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: Then they got injured and they couldn't really compete anymore,

944
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden, they sort of lost

945
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: the momentum that they had because they didn't have the

946
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: death and they didn't start with the training camp that

947
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: they needed to bring the team to get other I

948
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: would be very high on the Vikings heading into the year,

949
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: and I'm very high on Mike Zimmer. I think he's

950
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: an incredible coach. The Vikings are at eight and a half.

951
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: I can see them getting two wins against the Bears.

952
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: I can see them getting two wins against the Lions.

953
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: I can see them splitting with the Packers. I think

954
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: last year what happened with the Packers that was a

955
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: little bit of some freakiness. So I could definitely see

956
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: them getting five wins out of their division and then

957
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, by the way eight and a half out

958
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: of seventeen games, I can see the Vikings getting to

959
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: nine wins. Other coaches that I think are coach that

960
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: I think completely overrated. Cliff Kingsbury terrible, terrible, terrible coach.

961
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: He is a guy that betters refuse to bet on

962
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: because he cannot win late in the year, when his

963
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: team doesn't have to make adjustments, when his team can

964
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: only rely on talent, when his team can just be

965
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: focused on what they do offensively in the first five

966
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: six games of the year fantastic, when they've been figured out,

967
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: he can't adjust. It's what happened at Texas Tech, where

968
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: his team would always fade at the end of the year.

969
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: You saw it with the Cardinals. This was a team

970
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: that a lot of people were thinking, Oh my god,

971
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: they could win the Super Bowl, Oh my god, Kyler

972
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: Murray so great, can be a candidate for MVP, and

973
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: then they fade. Ron Rivera can't You cannot rate him

974
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: high enough? Right What he did with that Washington team

975
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: last year, of the decisions he made amazing, amazing, and

976
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets enough credit. Right, Like, if

977
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: you say who are the best coaches in the NFL,

978
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: people are gonna say Andy Reid, They're gonna say Bill Belichick,

979
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: maybe they'll say Sean Payton, maybe they'll say Mike Tomlin.

980
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: But they really should be talking about Brian Flores. They

981
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: really should be talking about Ron Rivera, who's been doing

982
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: it for years, and it's the reason there's a reason

983
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: he was not fired for a long time in Carolina.

984
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: That team always played consistent and now he's bringing the

985
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: same principles to Washington. Where do you, guys land on Gruden?

986
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: Is he worth a pointer or is he hurt you?

987
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: He's terrible, just terrible. It's like that team, that franchise

988
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: is a mess, and he gets you attention because it's

989
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: Gruden and he's won a super Bowl and he's chucky

990
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: and he was on ESPN for god knows how long.

991
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: But he's not a coach anyone believes in. He's not

992
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: a guy who's putting in a scheme where everyone's thinking, wow, yeah,

993
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: this is something I can get behind. And we saw

994
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: last year like it was never a game, it was

995
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: never a team where you felt really comfortable betting on them. Yeah,

996
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: it's interesting his teams evaporate late with Kingsbury. Your belief

997
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: is that he just doesn't adapt. He's not smart enough

998
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: to adapt. Gruden's teams melt late. Now, they didn't when

999
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: he was in Oakland. The first time they didn't. In Tampa,

1000
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: they got that wasn't a problem. Is there any reason

1001
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: for sort of the freefall post Thanksgiving? Is it just

1002
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: lack of depth, that's still a really weak roster. Yeah,

1003
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a weak roster, and I think there

1004
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: are a lot of in a lot of ways. He's

1005
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: not adjusting either, and there's not enough talent on that

1006
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: team for them to go through a season not adjusting

1007
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: and then finding holes. But also they make some strange decisions,

1008
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: right They signed Kenyan Drake to back up Josh Jacobs.

1009
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs one of the most productive players in the NFL.

1010
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: Why are you signing a running back to take take

1011
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: carries and take possessions away from one of the players

1012
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: who actually is one of your most powerful and potent

1013
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: offensive weapons. So I just don't understand what their personel

1014
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: moves are. Sometimes I think we both agree it's a

1015
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: quarterback head coach league, and I look a lot. I

1016
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: look at a lot. You know, the Bills fan duels

1017
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: got the Patriots plus three ninety to win the AFCs,

1018
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: the Bills one fifty five, Dolphins plus three twenty ahead

1019
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: of them. But I wonder what you do how to

1020
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: betters look at the Chargers where you have no idea

1021
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: until probably October what you're getting from this coach. You

1022
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,919
Speaker 1: can go off the fact that the offensive line will

1023
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: be upgraded. There's no question about that. Corey Linsley. They're

1024
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: going to go get Elijah Vera Tucker if he's available

1025
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: in the first round. They need a corner and a

1026
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: couple more offensive linemen. How I mean, what do you do?

1027
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: How do you at the Action Network make a line

1028
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: for the Chargers in their opening week? Well, look, I

1029
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: bet the Chargers future to win the Super Bowl, and

1030
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: you always got to take a flyer. And some of

1031
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: the things you just mentioned are the reasons why they

1032
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: are going to get healthier and get better on the

1033
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: offensive line. They are going to get better just by

1034
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: virtue of better decision making. Anthony Lynn was a horrible

1035
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: decision maker who cost them several games with poor clock management,

1036
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: with poor play calling at the goal line. It was

1037
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: really kind of dreadful to see. And they were winning

1038
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: in spite of what their coaching staff was doing. They

1039
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: were winning because Justin Herbert was so good. They were

1040
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: winning because they have so much talent offensively, and they

1041
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: were winning by the way, they were missing some of

1042
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: their best defensive player in Drwin James Right, he didn't

1043
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: even play the entire year. So I look at that

1044
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: team and I think quarterback who was preternatural, immature, playing

1045
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: in a tough system with really bad coaching around him,

1046
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: and just willing the ball down the field into the

1047
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: right spots. I see a defense that is getting significantly

1048
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: better just by getting its best player back and its

1049
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: best playmaker back in the back seven, and an offensive

1050
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: line that is going to improve through the draft. So

1051
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: I am very high on this team. The one wild

1052
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: card is going to be, hey, they got a rookie

1053
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: coach who really only proved it for one season as

1054
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator with the Rams. But I'm willing to

1055
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Speaker 1: take a flyer on that because I think there's so

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01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: many other elements in play, and we have seen coaches

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01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: in the Sean McVay vane who have come on and

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01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: coached really well in their first season. So there's less

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01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: of a fear for me with rookie coaches than I

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01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: think there's been in the past. So I'm a draft nick.

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01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: I like high school football recruiting. I'm into all this stuff,

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01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: talk more draft than I think any talk show host

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Speaker 1: in the country. I have for fifteen years. I'm totally

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01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: into it. I don't necessarily think you get significantly better

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Speaker 1: post draft, but I do think they're teams, and the

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Speaker 1: Chargers could be one that if they land the right

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Speaker 1: left tackle and a corner, it's a really special team.

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Speaker 1: I think Carolina is interesting. They have a very solid

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01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: old line, but they're bad at left tackle. If Piney's

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01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: sewell falls to them with Darnold, this turnaround maybe quicker

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Speaker 1: than we think. They're weak at corner and left tackle,

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Speaker 1: they're okay everywhere else. And I really believe in Matt rule.

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Speaker 1: Is there a team to you that you really chad?

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Speaker 1: You look at this draft and you think this is

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Speaker 1: a team. You know. I had somebody the other day say,

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Speaker 1: you guys are selling the Cowboys. If they could get

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Speaker 1: Patrick certain or a really good corner, they just have

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01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: to be because of Dan Quinn to Mike Nolan, like,

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Speaker 1: if they're just schematically stronger and they can just clean

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01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: up the secondary, Jalen Smith is healthy, it's not a

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01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: bad football team in that awful division. Don't be shocked

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Speaker 1: if they win eleven. So I just want from your prism.

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01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: Is there a team you look at and think the

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01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: draft could really change the way I look at them? Yeah? Look,

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Speaker 1: I think the team you mentioned in Carolina, but not

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Speaker 1: because of what they might do with what you just said.

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Speaker 1: I think they might take Kyle Pitts, the tight end

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: from Florida. And if you give Sam Donald a talent

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01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: like that, who when's the last time the tight end

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01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: was drafted in the top ten and came out with

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01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: this kind of talent and this kind of hype who

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01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about as being a

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01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: pseudo wide receiver right six six two forty six pounds.

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01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: There's a really good opportunity because it's very possible that

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01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: the Falcons might go with justin fields and number four,

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01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: which means that Pitts is dropping down to eight. That's

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01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: a great safety valve for Zam Donald, and I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. I love Matt Rule. I thought the way

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01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: that the Panthers played last year was so indicative of

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: incredible coaching and a spirit that he imbued in that

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01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: team throughout the entire year. So they're a team to

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Speaker 1: me that I think can get better really really fast,

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Speaker 1: especially if we're talking about a division where obviously you've

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Speaker 1: got the Bucks, but then you're talking about the Saints,

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01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: who you don't know what you're getting without Drew Brees

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Speaker 1: and you're talking about you're talking about, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I just forgot oh the Falcons. Who I'm still I'm

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Speaker 1: never going to be sold in the Falcons. I think

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Speaker 1: they are probably one of those teams that will always

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Speaker 1: under deliver as long as Matt Ryan is the quarterback.

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01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: And I know they've got a new coach coming in,

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Speaker 1: but it's just cultural to me, and so I like

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Speaker 1: what the Panthers could do with someone like Kyle Pitts

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Speaker 1: or I want to shift to the NBA because I

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Speaker 1: think it's really interesting. Last year was a bubble. The

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01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: bubble was bizarre. For the first time in my life,

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: young teams, the Lakers being the exception, outplayed veteran teams

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01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. That had never happened in my life.

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01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: Young teams evaporate in the playoffs the veteran players, the

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01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: refs allow more physical play, warrants more wins, and generally

1121
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: older players been in that NBA wait room for years,

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: can manipulate the refs dog young teams. Last year in

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Speaker 1: the bubble was different. Older players, married kids, hated being

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Speaker 1: away from their families. Multiple veteran players said they were

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01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: dealing with they were depressed. They didn't like the bubble

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01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: and young teams in the bubble it had an AAU feel.

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,919
Speaker 1: You play, you go back to your room, you watch

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Speaker 1: some TV video game, it had an AAU feel. So

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Speaker 1: outside of the Lakers, old teams eroded, young teams played great.

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Speaker 1: This year is different. It's the strangest year ever. It's

1131
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: the best offensive year in league history, the worst defensive year.

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Speaker 1: Why condensed schedule players are hired condensed schedule more veteran

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01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: players with nagging injuries just take games off. So what

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01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: you're seeing is these weird spikes from younger teams, healthier

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01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: teams in the regular season. But I think the veteran teams,

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01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: the Durants will come back, Harden lebron A d Ben Simmons,

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Speaker 1: and they'll dominate the playoffs. We'll go back to my

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Speaker 1: entire life. So when you look at this odd year

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Speaker 1: where Phoenix is a number two seed and we're falling

1140
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: in love with the Brooklyn when do you look at

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01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: this year, the condentsed schedule and say stop sign it's

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01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: going to be a Laker year. Just go back to

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Speaker 1: what we depend on. Or do you think for the

1144
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: second year in a row, it will be a quirky

1145
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: postseason based on we're still dealing with a pandemic. I

1146
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: think that's a great question, and I love the way

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: you framed this. And the Suns are the exact team

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01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: that pops into your head. And the reason why I

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: think they're a little bit different is because of Chris Paul,

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01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: and what Chris Paul brings as one savvy veteran is

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01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: worth three or four veterans on any other team. And

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01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: the other thing about the Lakers that makes them feel

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01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,919
Speaker 1: less than automatic to me is the fragility of Lebron.

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01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: And it's preposterous to say that, but Anthony Davis has

1155
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: been in and out of the lineup. Lebron now extended

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01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: time out of the lineup. That could easily happen again

1157
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: during the playoffs, because during the playoffs, you're still going

1158
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: to be playing a lot of games, and you're going

1159
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: to be playing games frequently. There's going to be more travel.

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01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: It's going to be a very challenging schedule, not unlike

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Speaker 1: what we've seen in a condensed season. All that said,

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Speaker 1: All that said, right now, the Nets are two and

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Speaker 1: a half to one to win the title. The Lakers

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01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: three and have to won. The Clippers six to one,

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,959
Speaker 1: the Bucks seven and a half to one, the Jazz

1166
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: are eight to one, and then you've got the Sixers

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Speaker 1: at twelve to one. I would one put my money Clippers, Lakers, Nets, Sixers.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a buyer on the Bucks. Coach Bud to me,

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01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 1: the past couple of years has just not shown the

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01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: willingness to adjust and the way they play defense. They

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: they pack everybody in and they give up way too

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01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: many three pointers. It's a three point league. They're going

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01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: to play a team that gets hot, and they're gonna

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01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: play a team like the Sixers that have multiple three

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: point shooters. So I do not look. I don't not

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Speaker 1: look at the Bucks as a team that I see

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Speaker 1: getting advancing to the finals and winning. But I do

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01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: see to your point it being a veteran team that

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01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: is the Nets, Lakers, Clippers, Sixers. Yeah, I don't buy

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01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,879
Speaker 1: the Nets. I don't think you can solve your issues

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 1: in the postseason, and they Harden and Kyrie have essentially

1182
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: played four games together. I just I think chemistry matters.

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01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: I also, we've got to be honest about k D.

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01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: He's another injury away from being kind of garoppolo ish like,

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01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: it's like we just have to acknowledge he can't stay healthy.

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01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: Just who he is. You know. The other night I

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01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: was watching watching the Nets game, and I was watching

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: it with my kid, and I saw kd you know,

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01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: standing on the sidelines, and I said to my kid,

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01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: I go, does he even play in the NBA anymore?

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01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: Is he just like a permanent fixture? Is he coached? Now?

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01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: What is he doing? He sounded for like one game

1193
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: and then he's done. Yeah, you know, it's it's funny.

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01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: I said this on the air this week. The reason

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: Lebron and Ad work Lebron's a leader and a d

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01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: likes to be led. Kevin Durant needs to be led.

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: But he thinks he's a leader exactly, and that's problematic.

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr and Steph Curry were great leaders. That's why

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Speaker 1: I thought him jettison jettisoning the Warriors was a problem.

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01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: It was perfect. He thinks he's the guy, but he's not.

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01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 1: He's what he is. He needs to be led. Anthony

1202
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: Davis understands that there are very few guys. Ryan Rusilo

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01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: talked about it this week. There's about four guys in

1204
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: the league that have leadership emotional and physical kind of

1205
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: leadership DNA and they want it. They want to talk

1206
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: to the media, they want to deal with the criticism.

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01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: Lebron Chris Paul, Steph Curry. I think Jimmy Butler's underrate.

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01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Butler changes the temperature of both ends

1209
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: of the floor and your locker rooms. Kevin Durant doesn't

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01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: even even with the Warriors. It was a perfect setup.

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01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: Steph Curry selfless, Clay Thompson, Draymond played the d Steve

1212
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: Kerr played in the league. He couldn't get along with anybody.

1213
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: He's so fragile. You can't be fragile as a leader.

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01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Brady got shit on by Belichick every Monday

1215
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: and Tuesday. You can't be fragile as a leader. You

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01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 1: don't have to be brilliant. Not every leader's brilliant, but

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01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: you gotta deal, you know the blow. If you run

1218
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: the UFC in your Dana White, you're getting heat constantly.

1219
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: And I just don't think Katie can handle it. I

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01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: think a d knows he can't handle it. I think

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01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: Katie thinks he can, and then he's on his burner

1222
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: account on Twitter freaking out right, exactly exactly. You know

1223
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 1: what's fun. I went to the Warrior Celtics game Saturday

1224
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: night in Boston, my first game since the pandemic. Steph

1225
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: had forty seven. Jason Tatum had forty plus. Watching Steph

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01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: from the warm up through the first quarter, through sitting

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01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: on the bench, communicating with his teammates, talking to coaches,

1228
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: what he does on the floor, or like seeing him

1229
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: up close, it is such a joy to watch. And

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01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: you see by the way I would put Jason Tatum,

1231
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: he is climbing into that rank. Look but he is.

1232
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: He is a six ten soon to be six to eleven,

1233
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: twenty one year old, freaking nature right. He can do

1234
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: anything on the court, and it is just pure joy

1235
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: to watch guys like that play. You don't get that

1236
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: same joy watching Katie. You just don't, don't. You don't

1237
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: you appreciate it. He's brilliant when he when he did

1238
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: come back, he went eight for eight in that first

1239
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: game back, making every shot literally just looked unstoppable. But

1240
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: it has an entirely different effect on you as a fan,

1241
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: And to me, it's got nothing to do with his personality.

1242
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: It's just sort of there's a way players carry themselves away,

1243
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: they feel when the way you interact with them when

1244
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: they're on the court, and sometimes he just doesn't feel happy.

1245
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: I think that's well put. I feel the same way

1246
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: watching him. It's a fairly joyless experience. Yeah, it's precise,

1247
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: it's surgical, it's perfect, it's it's master craftsmanship. But I

1248
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: don't know, I want some love. I like, let me

1249
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: watch Lebron all day, Like I watched Lebron play. Even

1250
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook, who has basically trivialized the triple double, he

1251
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: has turned it into a trash stat because he's done

1252
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: it for the past five years and almost to the

1253
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: point where it loses its import because he's doing it

1254
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: on losing teams. But to watch him play is just

1255
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,759
Speaker 1: just pure speed and adrenaline. It's great. All right, Chad Millman,

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed our Friday podcast. I'm gonna go

1257
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: to the Action Network place my bet. What is your

1258
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: over under on the Browns win total. I'd have to

1259
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: go back and check, but I think they're probably at

1260
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: about nine. And I would say that here, you know

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Speaker 1: what I gotta right in front of me. Hold on

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Speaker 1: one second, I want to make this to my bet

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Speaker 1: of the Week on the Action Network. Really, that's fun.

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Speaker 1: The Browns are I was right on it. The Browns

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Speaker 1: are at nine and a half. I would take the

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Speaker 1: over because I do feel like we saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of positive steps with them last year. And I'm a

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Speaker 1: huge Kevin Stefanski fan. Hey, by the way, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Dana White. I know you had him on this week

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Speaker 1: and there was a great quote where he said he

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Speaker 1: basically believes the media is full of shit. I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you a story when you know men. Ever, in

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Speaker 1: many books, several bestsellers. One of them is the autobiography

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Speaker 1: of Chuck Adell. I was the as told to write

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Speaker 1: around his book. And Chuck Ladell not a big talker.

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Speaker 1: And when I met him, it was two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight something like that, maybe two thousand and six. It

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Speaker 1: was right at the height of his fame. He had

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Speaker 1: just lost a rampage, but he had this huge book

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Speaker 1: deal that we were working on, and Chuck like told

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Speaker 1: me nothing right. So the only people who told me

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Speaker 1: anything were the two women he had had babies with,

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Speaker 1: who we had very close relationships with, and Dana White.

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Speaker 1: So about once every four weeks, I would call Dana,

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Speaker 1: and Dana would give me the greatest Chuck Ladell stories,

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Speaker 1: all of which I put in the book. He is

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Speaker 1: so fun to talk to us. Why the podcast was

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Speaker 1: so good? Like unabashedly afraid to say anything. He is

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Speaker 1: a guy who does not give a flying f I

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Speaker 1: love him. He's yelled at me before. He got mad

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Speaker 1: at me one time a long time ago, and then

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Speaker 1: I saw him like a couple months later at a

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Speaker 1: steakhouse in Vegas and we laughed it off. What I

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Speaker 1: love about Dana, and I'm really big into this. I'm

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Speaker 1: not a fan of passive aggressive people. If you're pissed

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Speaker 1: off at me, tell me, let's just have it out.

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Speaker 1: And Dana, if he's mad, will tell you and then

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Speaker 1: he's over it. He holds no grudges, he doesn't care.

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Speaker 1: He and Connor McGregor have had bad days. I always

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Speaker 1: appreciate people that can confront either their fears, their demons

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Speaker 1: or their enemies and just get it out, yell, scream,

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Speaker 1: and move on. And that's Dana to a t. Dana

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Speaker 1: is the opposite of Kevin Durant exactly. Way to close

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Speaker 1: it all right, Melman, Good seeing you, a brother, all right,

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Speaker 1: that was a great hour. I'm gonna be honest, that's

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite podcasts ever. At The Volume Sports, Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: a YouTube channel, The Volume Sports. Gotta be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: we're getting powerful. You may not want a piece of us.

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Speaker 1: We are going to go right at everybody. Love what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. Have a great weekend. By the way, don't

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Speaker 1: forget this weekend. The Prime cuts the best of all

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