Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema with you on what has
Speaker 1: been a very busy weekend and a busy week for
Speaker 1: both of us. We've been at it.
Speaker 2: We've been wedding planning. That's what at it means.
Speaker 3: I feel like I took and I think this is
Speaker 3: the case for a lot of people. We sort of
Speaker 3: planned a few big things months ago and then took
Speaker 3: a big pause, and then the other day I was thinking,
Speaker 3: oh God, it's happening, and we need to get some
Speaker 3: stuff done, and now I'm kind of rushing into it.
Speaker 2: Although maybe that's maybe everybody.
Speaker 3: Maybe other people are more scheduled with they're planning. I'm
Speaker 3: a bit of a procrastinator, Like I think, I marinate
Speaker 3: and then I just go for it.
Speaker 2: A friend of mine helped me the other day.
Speaker 3: She said, no, no, no, you can just reframe the branding
Speaker 3: on that You're not a procrastinator, you're a manifestor.
Speaker 2: I'm like what she said.
Speaker 3: It's it's just that you're marinating on these ideas, you're
Speaker 3: figuring out what you want to do, and you're waiting
Speaker 3: until you really feel good about it. And feel settled,
Speaker 3: and then you move, and then you make moves and
Speaker 3: you make things happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say the good news with both of
Speaker 1: us is we are very decisive people. I make very sharp,
Speaker 1: gut instinct decisions. I think you're pretty much the same.
Speaker 1: When we've made our mind up, we don't him in
Speaker 1: haw about it. We just great moving on.
Speaker 3: I love you saying that about me. I think you're
Speaker 3: much better at them.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely more. But I think we've done very well.
Speaker 1: But you're right. We made those big decisions and then
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, hey, this is coming up. We probably
Speaker 1: need to like invite some people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to send out the invitations right now.
Speaker 1: It's a wedding of two.
Speaker 3: Well, we've texted some people, but we haven't done saved
Speaker 3: the dates. And at this point, I'm just going to
Speaker 3: go right to the wedding invite.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna Can I ask a question, do we
Speaker 2: need to save the date today? In today's world? Shoot
Speaker 2: a text? I don't know. I mean maybe if you've
Speaker 2: got but I don't know.
Speaker 3: Is it easier to do a mass text or to
Speaker 3: send three hundred save the dates if you're doing a
Speaker 3: big wedding.
Speaker 1: And again, we're not doing a big wedding. I think
Speaker 1: if you're doing two, three, four, five hundred people whatever,
Speaker 1: that's that's not what we're going to do. Ours is
Speaker 1: much smaller. So save the.
Speaker 2: Date person regardless, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's one more thing. The invitation is
Speaker 1: the save the date. Save the date is is it's
Speaker 1: if you took the time to do that. Just tell
Speaker 1: me what I'm going to.
Speaker 3: I know, And then I feel bad through on the
Speaker 3: save the date away because it's pretty and they spent
Speaker 3: money on it.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to give me all the details
Speaker 1: because everything is not set yet, you can follow up
Speaker 1: with more details. But hey, you were invited to our wedding,
Speaker 1: our bar mitzvah our Kinsanira, whatever it is, details to follow,
Speaker 1: that's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm a big text person on this. I once had
Speaker 3: a friend cancel a wedding via a group text.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: Well, it was very close to the date. What could
Speaker 2: she do? You got to get the message out quickly.
Speaker 1: You know that thing we were going to do in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, right, don't worry about coming back
Speaker 1: to Missouri.
Speaker 2: But it was fine.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it was just, hey, we got
Speaker 3: it done, and she sent the group text out and
Speaker 3: what else could she do to communicate it? So don't
Speaker 3: underestimate the power of a group text. This might be
Speaker 3: a hot take.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: People might disagree with me and like really get excited
Speaker 3: about a say of the date, but I just don't
Speaker 3: know what to do with it. I don't love getting
Speaker 3: Christmas cards from people either, though I don't know what.
Speaker 2: To do with them.
Speaker 3: Look, I think today I'm following you on Instagram. I
Speaker 3: see if you want to take a beautiful family Christmas photo,
Speaker 3: put it on your Instagram. I'm going to see it,
Speaker 3: like it, comment on it. We get to interact if
Speaker 3: you send me the card.
Speaker 2: Then I got to text you about the card. And
Speaker 2: it just seem we're wasting a lot of paper.
Speaker 1: Now you've got me down a rabbit hole. My pet
Speaker 1: peeve is picture day. Sports leagues still to this day
Speaker 1: have picture Day where you show up at eight am
Speaker 1: on a Saturday or a Sunday where you're not playing
Speaker 1: and you're fully drafted in their uniforms to line up
Speaker 1: and have a photographer take a picture.
Speaker 2: Oh you do that well? On day you're not even playing.
Speaker 1: This was wonderful in the eighties and nineties when it
Speaker 1: was difficult to find pictures and you could send it
Speaker 1: to Grandma and grandpa and Uncle Bob. But guys who
Speaker 1: doesn't have a camera on them twenty four to seven?
Speaker 1: How many parents are taking videos, sometimes professional videos, of
Speaker 1: their kids playing I see everybody's child twenty four to
Speaker 1: seven playing sports. Do we need Picture Day?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we just sound like angry people who
Speaker 3: hate memories and joy, and we don't feel that way.
Speaker 1: But I just rewatched Clint Eastwood in Grand Terno. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm Clint Eastwood. Now get off my lawn.
Speaker 2: Oh god, you're that But about children?
Speaker 4: So about Children's Picture Day, I've never seen that movie.
Speaker 1: Pretty good. God, he still just looked so good in
Speaker 1: that mind.
Speaker 3: I read the other day he's going to direct another movie.
Speaker 3: The man never stops saying in his nineties, well you
Speaker 3: actually you always say a Clinice would quote that I
Speaker 3: do like, which is Clinice.
Speaker 1: Wood always has the quote don't let the old man in.
Speaker 1: And he never let the old man in. And to
Speaker 1: this day he still works. He still loves to all
Speaker 1: his animals around his house, he stays busy.
Speaker 3: It kind of means you don't let your age define you.
Speaker 2: You choose your Yeah when.
Speaker 1: You when you stop living, you let the old man in.
Speaker 1: When you stop hitting the gym, when you stop your passions,
Speaker 1: your hobbies or whatever it is, you let the old
Speaker 1: man in. And he never has. He still works, he
Speaker 1: still acts directs, as you said, So talk about an
Speaker 1: American legend just well.
Speaker 2: Gosh, let's invite him to the wedding. Yes, get the date?
Speaker 1: One more, get him a save the date? Uh?
Speaker 2: No? We okay, I am I was thinking.
Speaker 3: Should we send imitations? Yes, I mean more than a
Speaker 3: group text?
Speaker 4: Ok.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's be decisive about that.
Speaker 2: We should send imitations.
Speaker 1: Yes. The other thing we have to be decisive about
Speaker 1: is what a great show this is today? Because this
Speaker 1: show is actually all about you guys, something that Lauren
Speaker 1: and I love and it's the main reason we started
Speaker 1: this podcast was to talk to you, to hear from you.
Speaker 1: So number one, if you have questions, comments, always leave them.
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Speaker 1: we already gathered some of your questions and comments and
Speaker 1: today's show is all about taking your questions. So let's
Speaker 1: get to it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to start with a fun one here
Speaker 3: because I just thought about about it. With the invitations,
Speaker 3: somebody asked, because okay, look here's where my head is.
Speaker 3: You can get you can just order invitations. You can
Speaker 3: have them hand drawn and calligrapheed. You know, there's a
Speaker 3: whole wide spectrum of what you could do. And I
Speaker 3: don't know what we'll do. I'm probably going to go.
Speaker 2: For an easy option.
Speaker 3: But somebody asked, when it came to the Bachelor, all
Speaker 3: those notes that you used to write, who was this
Speaker 3: question from Terry From Terry. Terry asked who wrote the notes?
Speaker 3: Did a calligrapher write the fantasy suite cards and the
Speaker 3: date cards?
Speaker 2: Who wrote those?
Speaker 1: I got those questions a lot. I've like that can't
Speaker 1: because it always had my name on it and the well, one.
Speaker 3: Time I kind of called you out because sometimes there'd
Speaker 3: be bad grammar and I'm like, okay, it needs an apostrophe,
Speaker 3: s he or sir?
Speaker 2: Did you really write this? It signed Chris Harrison and.
Speaker 1: It was very loopy, and you know, there's a heart
Speaker 1: over the eye and stuff like that, so clearly everyone
Speaker 1: laughed that this is not your handwriting. And no, by
Speaker 1: the way, I write like a third grader, and that
Speaker 1: is offensive to third graders. You cannot read my handwriting.
Speaker 1: So I never wrote any of those dates, the notes
Speaker 1: and all that. I was in on some of the puns,
Speaker 1: because you know how much I love a good dad joke.
Speaker 1: So several of us would gather and we would try
Speaker 1: to come up with something kind of punny, as those
Speaker 1: date cards usually were. But it wasn't anybody in particular.
Speaker 1: It was a producer, and.
Speaker 2: It would change every time.
Speaker 1: Not every time. Usually one person kind of did it
Speaker 1: for the whole season. They were kind of the date
Speaker 1: card person, and one person kind of did it for
Speaker 1: very you know, for years, and then that person moved
Speaker 1: on and then someone else jumped in. So it's sometimes
Speaker 1: it's different people, but usually it's a female. Typically they
Speaker 1: usually have pretty or handwriting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so handwriting does.
Speaker 1: No, it'd be ridiculous, it would not be romantic, would
Speaker 1: not be sexy. So the answer is no. One. We
Speaker 1: didn't hire anybody just to come in and do some calligraphy.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Michelle dating my boss. It's my
Speaker 1: big secret, and it's been going on for a few years,
Speaker 1: so this isn't just a tawdry little affair that's happening lately.
Speaker 1: This has been a few years. Michelle's been dating her.
Speaker 3: Boss, Michelle dating my boss, and it is a big secret.
Speaker 3: Is it worth losing a good job?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I do wish I had more information because my first
Speaker 3: thought on it not being worth losing your good job is, well, Michelle,
Speaker 3: if this person isn't committing to you, if they're not
Speaker 3: worth or if they don't see your relationship as worth
Speaker 3: being public with, then that's a red flag. And I
Speaker 3: would also ask is it worth it to him to
Speaker 3: lose his job? Like, have you had these discussions? Is
Speaker 3: he like, hey, I'd leave this company for you because
Speaker 3: he's the one in the position here where you know,
Speaker 3: he's not supposed to be dating someone who's subordinate to him.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean that as judgment.
Speaker 3: I mean this might be a really wonderful relationship and
Speaker 3: maybe now you're both torn on what do we do,
Speaker 3: we need our jobs and how do we kind of
Speaker 3: navigate this? But I think you should be on equal
Speaker 3: grounding and really having clear communicative discussions about Okay, who
Speaker 3: is giving up their job here? Who's finding another job
Speaker 3: if it's worth it? And the question of leaving or
Speaker 3: losing the job is like, are you both willing to
Speaker 3: take that step?
Speaker 2: I think? And is the relationship with it? Is he
Speaker 2: willing to be public with it? Or is everything about
Speaker 2: this a secret?
Speaker 1: Yeah? All, look all HR issues aside. We'll leave that
Speaker 1: there because we don't have the HR department sitting here
Speaker 1: about you know, a boss dating a subordinate. I would
Speaker 1: take a little more aggress of lying on this and say,
Speaker 1: Michelle Buyer, beware if it hits the fan, which means
Speaker 1: you break up, this thing goes south, someone finds out,
Speaker 1: you need to understand there is a very real chance
Speaker 1: that it's you that will lose your job, that it
Speaker 1: is you that will take the fall. And that's just percentages.
Speaker 1: That's just the real world that and it's not just
Speaker 1: this guy, just the boss. This could be either way.
Speaker 1: If it was a female boss, male boss, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But the boss there's a better chance is going to
Speaker 1: keep their job than the subordinate. That's just history and
Speaker 1: the way it's going to go. So I would just say, Michelle, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good to find out how he stands and all that,
Speaker 1: but you need to make that decision yourself. Is it
Speaker 1: worth your job? And if it is to you and hey,
Speaker 1: after a few years you may absolutely be head over
Speaker 1: heels in love and you don't care, then so be it.
Speaker 1: But I would you say, buyer beware, and this one
Speaker 1: is on you to make that decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it worries me that she says it's my big
Speaker 3: secret and it's been going on for years. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'll take it to you and I we kept our
Speaker 3: relationship a secret in the beginning. Now, Chris wasn't my boss.
Speaker 3: We are obviously, I interviewed him and we worked together,
Speaker 3: but we kept it a secret in the beginning because
Speaker 3: I was And I told you, I think when we
Speaker 3: go public with this, I'm the one who potentially looks
Speaker 3: worse here because it looks like maybe I'm trying to
Speaker 3: date you to get further in my career or something.
Speaker 3: And I didn't want to take it public until we
Speaker 3: knew for sure that it was really serious. Now, you
Speaker 3: were always I mean, you were all in on the
Speaker 3: relationship from the beginning. I was never worried as he
Speaker 3: committed to me or not, but I wanted to know
Speaker 3: it was a really serious, long term relationship.
Speaker 1: I understood the dynamic that this was going to affect
Speaker 1: you more than it was going to affect me. I
Speaker 1: was very cognizant of that. Nobody was going to get
Speaker 1: mad at me. It's Hollywood. No one's going to get
Speaker 1: mad at me for dating a beautiful young woman. But thanks,
Speaker 1: you were dating a guy that was hosting a show
Speaker 1: you were covering, So for you, it was I knew
Speaker 1: it was much more complicated, and that was something I
Speaker 1: was aware of. Wanted to make you aware that I understood,
Speaker 1: and we proceeded with caution for quite some time, six months.
Speaker 1: We kept it under wraps because I knew when this
Speaker 1: went out it was going to be a thing, and
Speaker 1: it was. But by then we were so prepared and
Speaker 1: love that it was okay, and we were ready to
Speaker 1: go through the battle together and come what may, we
Speaker 1: knew we had made this choice to be together. And
Speaker 1: so Michelle, I don't know if you can link that
Speaker 1: back to you, but those are serious discussions that need
Speaker 1: to be had because I don't know this guy. He
Speaker 1: might be the greatest guy in the world, and maybe
Speaker 1: he is looking out for you, but maybe he's not
Speaker 1: maybe he's not cognizant of Hey, if this goes south,
Speaker 1: guess who's not going to get fired. Probably the boss
Speaker 1: it would be you. Is he okay with that? And
Speaker 1: that tells you a lot about this guy.
Speaker 3: One note overall on secret relationships always a big red
Speaker 3: flag if only one person wants it to be a secret.
Speaker 1: That's very true, and honestly, you know, it's funny. The
Speaker 1: reason I went public, or wanted to go public with
Speaker 1: you is it got to the point where I felt
Speaker 1: like I was lying to people I love, people that
Speaker 1: I was very close with and was traveling with on
Speaker 1: the show for quite some time. Some of my dearest
Speaker 1: and closest friends, you know, some of them knew clearly
Speaker 1: we would go out with them, But there were people
Speaker 1: kind of I guess in that second circle that I
Speaker 1: hadn't told, and I thought I'm done lying and saying
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing someone or not. I was so excited
Speaker 1: about us in our relationship, I wanted to start screaming
Speaker 1: it from the rooftops, and so it felt right for
Speaker 1: me to come to you and say, hey, I want
Speaker 1: to go public.
Speaker 3: And I think for me it was maybe this is
Speaker 3: a little of what Michelle's talking about I realized I
Speaker 3: was in love with you and I saw a real
Speaker 3: future for you. Because when I said I wanted to
Speaker 3: know how serious the relationship was, I meant for myself.
Speaker 3: I always felt from you like you were on a
Speaker 3: serious path. But I was thinking, I want to be
Speaker 3: really serious about this guy before I would risk.
Speaker 2: Anything to my career.
Speaker 3: And I got to that point where I thought, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm I love him and I'm okay with like what happens,
Speaker 3: what happens, and I want to take that step.
Speaker 1: So Michelle, hope that helps Michelle.
Speaker 2: We're a team, Michelle, no matter what in this just
Speaker 2: so you know very much.
Speaker 1: So this next one is anonymous, and probably anonymous for
Speaker 1: a reason because they say, if a guy says he's
Speaker 1: not ready to date, is it ever okay to circle
Speaker 1: back later and see if anything has changed.
Speaker 2: Let's say our one word answer on three one two three.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and I'm just going to be blunt
Speaker 1: and candid with you. You know, I don't have to beat
Speaker 1: around the bush anymore. I'm not on TV. I don't
Speaker 1: have to mislead you in these relationship questions and answers.
Speaker 1: If a guy says he's not ready to date, he's
Speaker 1: also saying he's not ready to date you, And I
Speaker 1: know that sucks to hear, and I know that might hurt,
Speaker 1: But I'm just telling you the truth because he may
Speaker 1: step to the next relationship and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he gets married, and so you never know if it's
Speaker 1: about you or the relationship. But I can honestly tell
Speaker 1: you in this situation, he's not ready to date and
Speaker 1: also not ready to date you, right.
Speaker 3: And the question is should I circle back and find
Speaker 3: you know, find out later.
Speaker 2: No, if he had, if he'd gotten ready, he'd come
Speaker 2: find you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If he's not doing a U turn for you, why
Speaker 4: are you turning the car around? Yes, And that's the thing,
Speaker 4: he should come to you. It's there's so many phrases
Speaker 4: that go with this, from the more recent he if
Speaker 4: he wanted to, he would going back to the years ago,
Speaker 4: from sex and the City.
Speaker 2: He's just not that into you.
Speaker 3: I am the biggest proponent of Like, Look, relationships in
Speaker 3: life are going to throw a lot of crap at
Speaker 3: you that you're going to have to figure out with
Speaker 3: your partners. So it needs to be simple in the beginning.
Speaker 1: Right, And it may not be that he's not just
Speaker 1: that into you. It might be he's an f boy,
Speaker 1: it might be he's damaged and relationship. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of things.
Speaker 3: It is he's just not that into you, because if
Speaker 3: he was into you, he'd want to be dating you
Speaker 3: right now. And you know, honestly, Oh, I see what
Speaker 3: you're saying.
Speaker 1: Like some might like some guys are really dumb animals
Speaker 1: and they just don't figure it out, and they will
Speaker 1: plow through one amazing woman after the other, ruining great
Speaker 1: relationship out. We know people like this.
Speaker 2: Let me just he's just not that into a relationship
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Right, because he's not he's not aware enough of himself.
Speaker 1: And that this goes both ways, he or herb But
Speaker 1: in this case, clearly we're talking about a guy he
Speaker 1: just isn't that aware of what he wants in life
Speaker 1: yet either. And so take that is a beautiful red flag.
Speaker 1: Red flags are a good thing sometimes if you pay
Speaker 1: attention to it and just keep on driving, keep on going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in the beginning, it needs to be clear,
Speaker 3: it needs to be you're being pursued, you're both pursuing
Speaker 3: each other. You're both into each other because a lot
Speaker 3: of other hard stuff's going to come later. And yeah,
Speaker 3: don't circle back on him. If he's not calling you,
Speaker 3: do not call him. Next question from new Beginnings to
Speaker 3: old standards, this question is how do you get out
Speaker 3: of a relationship rut?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: Bam?
Speaker 1: It takes work And I know that's an old cliche,
Speaker 1: but relationships, love, dating, marriage, especially when kids are involved,
Speaker 1: it takes work. And if you're in a relationship rut,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to assume your years into this, because
Speaker 1: usually if you're already in a rut in the honeymoon phase.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a red flag.
Speaker 1: That's a red flag. That's another issue we'll have to
Speaker 1: deal with. I'm going to assume this is a established relationship,
Speaker 1: even a marriage, and that is just you gotta work
Speaker 1: out it. You got to form a date night. You
Speaker 1: have to push each other to be aggressive about this.
Speaker 1: It's a job to take care of each other. And look,
Speaker 1: we all don't have money to go travel to go
Speaker 1: to great dinners or whatever. So honestly, if you have
Speaker 1: nothing else, go set up a picnic in the backyard,
Speaker 1: Go set up some sort of special candlelight dinner, a
Speaker 1: bubble bath, whatever, you get the picture, but work at
Speaker 1: it and make it something different than what you do
Speaker 1: every day. It's not let's pick another show on Netflix
Speaker 1: and watch it together.
Speaker 2: Oh it's so easy to get into those ruts. That's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 3: We all feel that it's so easy to get in
Speaker 3: our bubble of going to the same restaurants or our
Speaker 3: nightly routines of doing the same thing. So I think
Speaker 3: what's important to note is it doesn't mean there's something
Speaker 3: wrong in your relationship. A rut doesn't mean something bad.
Speaker 3: In fact, it means you're comfortable and you love each
Speaker 3: other and you rely on each other. But you let
Speaker 3: that rut go too long and it keeps getting deeper
Speaker 3: and it becomes a problem. So I do think you
Speaker 3: have to constantly be checking in on it, aware of it.
Speaker 3: I'll often say to you, hey, I feel like we
Speaker 3: need a date night, Like if I don't feel connected,
Speaker 3: or I feel like maybe we've both been traveling too much,
Speaker 3: or we're in it's like, let's go out. Let's go
Speaker 3: out and go to a restaurant we've never been before,
Speaker 3: just to switch it up a little bit. Instead of
Speaker 3: our neighborhood haunts. And I love what you just said
Speaker 3: about relationships take work, But an important distinction to me
Speaker 3: is always relationships take work, but they shouldn't be work like.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't feel you should be putting an effort for
Speaker 3: each other. You shouldn't feel like you're working at it
Speaker 3: more than the other person is. And you shouldn't feel like, God,
Speaker 3: this feels like work. But keep dating each other. Always
Speaker 3: put that effort in.
Speaker 1: Always and sometimes though, and this is going to move
Speaker 1: me to another quoest. I'm going to piggyback a question
Speaker 1: on here from Hannah who asked, how do I connect
Speaker 1: with my husband after having our first baby? I feel
Speaker 1: that I have only had time for my son. So again,
Speaker 1: this just piggybacks on that because sometimes one person will
Speaker 1: be pulling harder on that rope, and true, that's a
Speaker 1: good relationship. Someone has anxiety, someone's going through something, whatever
Speaker 1: suffered a loss. You may have to step up and
Speaker 1: just pull the rope a little bit more than the
Speaker 1: other person in your relationship. And you know, a while back,
Speaker 1: I talked to Ari and Lauren and they talked about
Speaker 1: this when they had the twins. Arian Lauren Leindyke from
Speaker 1: the show that Lauren said, Ari had to really push
Speaker 1: me out of my comfort zone and get us on
Speaker 1: date nights. I just wanted to be home. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to be with the kids. And I get that
Speaker 1: having had kids, I get that poll of you don't
Speaker 1: want to miss a night. These are special times, and
Speaker 1: you get that attachment. But remember that your kids are
Speaker 1: losing if you are not happy as well. If you're
Speaker 1: not taking care of yourself as far as your mental
Speaker 1: strength and stability and your love life, then your kids
Speaker 1: aren't gaining everything from you. They're not getting one hundred
Speaker 1: percent anyway. So take a little time out for yourself
Speaker 1: and for your relationship. I think the hardest job in
Speaker 1: the world is raising kids. I think it's harder than anything.
Speaker 1: I have the most respect for it.
Speaker 3: And you once said to me, which really helps put
Speaker 3: parenting in perspective for me, since I've never raised young
Speaker 3: kids that you said, well, having kids has never made
Speaker 3: a relationship easier.
Speaker 1: No, And I've never understood the hey we're about to
Speaker 1: break up, let's have a kid. This may save us.
Speaker 2: Baby is not a band abe, A baby is.
Speaker 1: A you know. Well, I won't say, I won't put
Speaker 1: in those terms I was going to say something negative.
Speaker 1: It's not a negative. Please don't get me wrong. I
Speaker 1: have two beautiful children. I wouldn't change anything. But it
Speaker 1: never will ever make your life easier. It is stressful,
Speaker 1: it is difficult. You will be tired, you are sleep deprived,
Speaker 1: you are your life is no longer your own, and
Speaker 1: your life with and I mean your relationship is no
Speaker 1: longer your own either. You now share everything with these
Speaker 1: one or two or however many kids you have, so
Speaker 1: you have to really work at it. Finding that babysitter,
Speaker 1: finally the family member that'll come over, and just even
Speaker 1: if it's not a night, an hour, two hours to
Speaker 1: just go walk, go to the park, anything, just get
Speaker 1: some fresh air so you guys can have adult time.
Speaker 1: And here's my other little tidbit for Hannah. Kids, Oh kids.
Speaker 1: You know, when you have kids, when you get that
Speaker 1: alone time, don't talk only about the kids. Don't only
Speaker 1: talk about parenting. Don't talk about the PTA meeting tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Don't talk about how much we got to drive tomorrow
Speaker 1: for soccer and dancing and all that you got that,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Talk about each other. Find out
Speaker 1: what's going on, babe. How is your day at work.
Speaker 1: What are you into these days? What do you read
Speaker 1: it like? What movies anything? Just bring up a topic
Speaker 1: that you guys used to love. Dive into that. Just
Speaker 1: make it something other than about your kids when you're
Speaker 1: getting that alone time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and it's Hannah. It was Hannah's question,
Speaker 3: how do I connect with my husband after having our
Speaker 3: first baby? I feel I only have had time for
Speaker 3: my son. Going back to something you said, which I
Speaker 3: guess I'll speak to as a as a kid, an adult,
Speaker 3: but a kid, I am so glad you said your
Speaker 3: kids will you know, aren't your kids are losing if
Speaker 3: you're not happy. My parents were always so big on
Speaker 3: having date nights with each other, like I'm sure when
Speaker 3: we were.
Speaker 2: Super little it was harder.
Speaker 3: Of course, I was the oldest of three, so I
Speaker 3: started babysitting as I got older, and then they really
Speaker 3: went out. But I look back on that and I'm
Speaker 3: so glad that they had those connections with each other.
Speaker 3: I never felt abandoned. I never felt like, oh, why
Speaker 3: are you spending time without me? And it made them
Speaker 3: better and it set a good example for me and
Speaker 3: my relationships later. It made me prioritize like, you know,
Speaker 3: a healthy romantic partnership instead of seeing parents that were
Speaker 3: like frazzled and lost, and so it made me a
Speaker 3: better adult that they did that when I was young.
Speaker 1: Well, and that leads us to another question that is
Speaker 1: anonymous that I find very interesting is how do you
Speaker 1: show love to your partner in front of your kids
Speaker 1: that's appropriate?
Speaker 3: And well, say that question again, we process that synonymous.
Speaker 1: Yes, how do you show love to your partner in
Speaker 1: front of your kids that is appropriate? And I what
Speaker 1: you just said is so important. I remember my parents
Speaker 1: are divorced now, but I do remember growing up and
Speaker 1: seeing them date and seeing my grandparents so much in
Speaker 1: love and we you know, we had It was kind
Speaker 1: of this little thing on my grandmother's wall that said
Speaker 1: love is spoken here. We were very outwardly loving. Not
Speaker 1: every family is like that. We would always say I
Speaker 1: love you. We're very touchy feely, we hug, we kiss,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I think it's so vital, so important
Speaker 1: for your kids to see love and feel love to
Speaker 1: be told. Obviously, but that goes along with date night.
Speaker 1: I love seeing my parents go out. First of all,
Speaker 1: I loved having a baby center over at was always
Speaker 1: an exciting night you could get away with everything.
Speaker 3: I'm sure the kids get like a night of if
Speaker 3: you go out, the kids get like, oh, we get
Speaker 3: ice cream tonight and we're having fun and we're like
Speaker 3: escaping mom and dad too.
Speaker 1: It makes them get to miss you in a very safe,
Speaker 1: you know way for just a few hours. Maybe they
Speaker 1: appreciate mom and dad more, but they Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: need to see that you're dating. They need to see
Speaker 1: why are mom and dad together? These these two bots
Speaker 1: that live in the house that aren't real humans and
Speaker 1: they just drive us and feed us and take care
Speaker 1: of us and yell at us and all that. Like,
Speaker 1: they need to see that humanity in you. The romance
Speaker 1: and you know, the kissing and you know the appropriate
Speaker 1: part is what questions kind of? I mean, everything's the
Speaker 1: reason we're not groping each other or whatever. But even
Speaker 1: my kids now, who are older, they're adults, my son's
Speaker 1: twenty one, Taylor nineteen, I want them to see me.
Speaker 1: I want them to see their mom in happy, functional relationships.
Speaker 1: When we're together, I want to see you know, us
Speaker 1: holding hands and us kissing each other or giving each
Speaker 1: other a hug. I want them to feel that, hey,
Speaker 1: dad's in love and this is what I aspire to.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know, I keep going back to it because
Speaker 3: what was the question? It was, how do you show love?
Speaker 3: That's appropriate?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't make out in front of your kids, no,
Speaker 3: but we hold hands, we put our arms around each other,
Speaker 3: we put our arms around them. I mean, yeah, So
Speaker 3: it's I have to say, the most damaged people that
Speaker 3: I know now are people who didn't feel love and
Speaker 3: see love from their parents or in their homes. Like
Speaker 3: that is what's going to mess a hit up more
Speaker 3: than anything, I think is not growing up with love.
Speaker 3: So show that love and not everybody's like that. Don't
Speaker 3: slip them the tongue exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, within reason, but yeah, not every family is that
Speaker 1: open love. And by the way, if you grew up
Speaker 1: in that kind of a world, try to change that.
Speaker 1: Try to be the change in your family, Be the
Speaker 1: one that's different, be the one that changes.
Speaker 2: Break the cycle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, break that cycle.
Speaker 2: I should also.
Speaker 3: Note, you know, we keep I think we're just we're
Speaker 3: talking about ourselves. So we're saying mom and dad, all
Speaker 3: the love to the moms and moms out there, to
Speaker 3: the dads and dads, to all parents yes.
Speaker 1: It's not easy, and I've been in those trenches with
Speaker 1: you and I get it. I mean, there are it
Speaker 1: just it pushes you and you know, like again I
Speaker 1: go back to you know, recently Ari and Lauren Lyindyke,
Speaker 1: who were like when we had the twins, we're sleeping
Speaker 1: in separate rooms. Oftentimes when you have a baby, the
Speaker 1: baby's in the basinet next to the bed. So life
Speaker 1: isn't sexy anymore. It's tough, there's it's just not what
Speaker 1: it used to be. Your life has changed dramatically on
Speaker 1: so many levels. Again, it's not about you anymore, so
Speaker 1: you have to find that time to make it about you.
Speaker 2: Well, let's switch it up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Let's go from married and kids to someone who asks
Speaker 3: the question, Kylie asks, how do you get over the
Speaker 3: fear of going on a first date?
Speaker 2: Taking ourselves back.
Speaker 3: To when we're dating and we're going on a first
Speaker 3: date with someone, Kylie, here's my advice on that.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: I think the fear's okay, Like, isn't it exciting when
Speaker 3: you think you're going to go on a date with
Speaker 3: somebody and maybe you have a crush on them and
Speaker 3: you feel those butterflies so embrace the fear. The nerves
Speaker 3: are good, it means you care. And two, if you
Speaker 3: need to let go of a certain amount of that fear,
Speaker 3: I would say what I used to tell myself, and
Speaker 3: what I always think is really in most interactions with people,
Speaker 3: is you know, what do you have to lose here?
Speaker 3: You might never see this person again. If the date
Speaker 3: doesn't go well, you won't have to see them again.
Speaker 3: You won't have to worry about it, and you get
Speaker 3: a great story out of it.
Speaker 2: So the stakes are low.
Speaker 3: Don't stress yourself out, and remind yourself as you walk
Speaker 3: out the door that this person is lucky to be
Speaker 3: going on a date with you, So you're in that
Speaker 3: confident power position and they are blessed to be in
Speaker 3: your presence.
Speaker 1: And just remember it makes for great stories, exactly.
Speaker 2: I always say more pages for the memoir.
Speaker 1: I when I finally got to being ready to date
Speaker 1: again post divorce, and I'm like, okay again. You got
Speaker 1: to treat it a little bit like a job, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're single and you're out there, it's like you've
Speaker 1: got to put yourself out there. I wasn't on the
Speaker 1: dating apps, but I was getting set up with people etc.
Speaker 1: So I went on a bunch of first dates, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them were awkward, a lot of them
Speaker 1: did not end well, meaning there was a second date.
Speaker 1: Not that they were terrible, but I came away with
Speaker 1: so many great stories, some really funny stories, some horrific moments.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you learn what to do,
Speaker 1: what not to do. You're finding out what you like
Speaker 1: what you dislike. Again, you find out a lot about
Speaker 1: yourself in those moments, and so take it just as
Speaker 1: an experiment. You know, you're just learning.
Speaker 3: Totally, research exactly, and you're finding out what you like
Speaker 3: and what you don't like.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing too.
Speaker 3: We tell Taylor this, our daughter, all the time, like
Speaker 3: this is all part of the learning process. Just like
Speaker 3: you get educated in school, you have to get educated
Speaker 3: on relationships, and that means real life research and experimentation.
Speaker 3: So you're doing all the practice and rehearsing right now
Speaker 3: for when that great relationship comes along. You want to
Speaker 3: be ready for that great relationship. You want to have
Speaker 3: put in your time and done your laps.
Speaker 1: I was married in my twenties. I wasn't dating. I
Speaker 1: didn't have my roaring twenties, so I had to do
Speaker 1: that later post divorce, to figure this stuff out, and
Speaker 1: so that it takes you know what time you got
Speaker 1: to build up the data bank.
Speaker 3: I'm going to add in a question of my own
Speaker 3: for you, because I just just when you said, right,
Speaker 3: you said that sometimes it didn't go well, there wasn't
Speaker 3: even a second date. I am someone who I always
Speaker 3: encourage my friends, because I do think a lot of
Speaker 3: my friends who've been single for a while, I think
Speaker 3: the biggest mistake they're making is they're putting too many
Speaker 3: boxes and labels on what they want, and they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's got to be thirty seven to forty two, and
Speaker 3: he needs to be a doctor.
Speaker 2: I need to have met him at church.
Speaker 3: And if I had done all that, I don't think
Speaker 3: you and I would be sitting here because I don't
Speaker 3: know if i'd pictured the perfect guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you would have fit in all
Speaker 2: those boxes. I love you this Sunday.
Speaker 1: No, I agree.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have necessary.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have said, oh, I'm going to date someone
Speaker 3: who's fifteen years older than me. That wouldn't have been
Speaker 3: my box. And you may might not have said someone
Speaker 3: fifteen years younger than you. But so I'm a big
Speaker 3: encourager of look, be open, like go on a second date.
Speaker 3: People are nervous on the first date. If it went okay,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe give him a second one if he's
Speaker 3: reaching out or him or her? But what for you
Speaker 3: became the biggest My question is the biggest indicator that
Speaker 3: a second date was not a good idea?
Speaker 2: What made you know?
Speaker 3: No, Like, let's not even bother with a second date here,
Speaker 3: this was a Now.
Speaker 1: So many red flags and there are so many.
Speaker 2: I know my number one thing.
Speaker 1: I'm a big I mean, there's there's some standout things.
Speaker 1: I'm a conversationalist. I love good conversation. But if that
Speaker 1: conversation is one sided, if if there's just not that
Speaker 1: chemistry and that blend where you feel like you could
Speaker 1: just talk for hours, that that's tough for me.
Speaker 2: That is exactly.
Speaker 1: If I'm sitting at dinner and I this is I
Speaker 1: had a date in Brentwood and I sat there the
Speaker 1: entire dinner and this person didn't ask me one question.
Speaker 1: They didn't ask me it was really weird. So they
Speaker 1: didn't ask me one question about what I do, who
Speaker 1: I am anything. So two things either they knew, and
Speaker 1: they just didn't want to act like they knew.
Speaker 2: Or like it was like she was like, what's your name, Chris? Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: by the way.
Speaker 1: Fine, yeah, it's like you would either okay, well, if
Speaker 1: if I'm dating you or thinking about dating you, I'd
Speaker 1: surely ask at some point, hey, what do you do?
Speaker 1: Do you have a job? Do you stay at home? Parents? Job?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Anything? But nothing? Nothing. And this was the best part.
Speaker 1: We got to dessert, and so they took our plates away,
Speaker 1: and there was it was a very tight table, and
Speaker 1: so this group, this this date going on next to us,
Speaker 1: this other couple they leaned over after they cleared our
Speaker 1: plates and said, hey, we didn't want to interrupt in
Speaker 1: the middle of dinner, but just want to say we
Speaker 1: love the show always, you know, appreciate your hosting whatever
Speaker 1: big box or fans. And so I said, hey, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for waiting for dinner to be over,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, thank you so much. So
Speaker 1: I get back to my date and I said, I
Speaker 1: apologize for the interruption, and she just said oh no
Speaker 1: and just kept going. So still never jumped into it's
Speaker 1: almost getting weird at the space. It was just weird
Speaker 1: and so if no one ever asked about you or
Speaker 1: repeats a question to you, it's just.
Speaker 3: It's my biggest indicator, not just in dating, but in
Speaker 3: front chips, in whether I want to work with somebody.
Speaker 3: I think every relationship is two sided if and I'm
Speaker 3: not saying look when I'm sometimes I have to watch myself.
Speaker 3: I go into interview mode when I first like you
Speaker 3: and I are to our first date.
Speaker 2: We did have.
Speaker 3: We met for drinks, and we did have that first
Speaker 3: date where we talked for hours, but afterwards I was
Speaker 3: a little bit like, oh, he asked me some questions
Speaker 3: about myself, but I it was more me. But then
Speaker 3: it's funny because I said I liked him enough for
Speaker 3: that second date, and you told me later, well, I
Speaker 3: felt like you were grueling.
Speaker 2: Me the whole night. I felt like you were in
Speaker 2: Barbara Walters modes. I was just trying to answer your question.
Speaker 1: When Lauren gets in a new situation and this could
Speaker 1: be on a date, this could be just in a group,
Speaker 1: she goes into I.
Speaker 2: Want to get to know everybody. I want to know
Speaker 2: other stories.
Speaker 1: You just want to make everybody feel comfortable, and you
Speaker 1: want to make everybody feel heard and seen, but it
Speaker 1: can often be to the detriment of yourself because you
Speaker 1: will keep throwing out questions. Throwing out questions true, and
Speaker 1: you don't allow the ball to back bounce.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 3: So I have to watch that with myself. So I
Speaker 3: don't want to judge somebody on Oh they didn't ask
Speaker 3: me enough about myself. But if I don't get one,
Speaker 3: how are you? How's your day? What do you do
Speaker 3: for a living? If there's not one question back, that's
Speaker 3: the indication.
Speaker 1: By the way, I will reiterate, you made a very
Speaker 1: good point off the top, and it didn't really have
Speaker 1: to do with that specific question, but you were right
Speaker 1: putting up hurdles before you ever meet anybody. They have
Speaker 1: to be Catholic, they have to be Jewish, they have
Speaker 1: to be six foot four, they have to make this
Speaker 1: like you are narrowing the field so much. Push yourself
Speaker 1: into trying new things, whether you're at a restaurant, whether
Speaker 1: you're dating, you need to try new things and pushing
Speaker 1: yourself to date different types of people. I just it's
Speaker 1: hard enough to find love, to find something meaningful with
Speaker 1: somebody on this planet without cutting out half of them.
Speaker 3: Well, people talk about deal breakers a lot, and I
Speaker 3: think what we have to be careful about is our
Speaker 3: dealers should more so be things about someone's character and
Speaker 3: about how they want to live their life, not about
Speaker 3: who they are on paper, not about their age, or
Speaker 3: their job or their you know. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: things like religion can be a big thing, but you
Speaker 3: don't know if someone's flexible. I know people who've converted
Speaker 3: for other people, and you know, be open to that
Speaker 3: discussion and give it time to see if it is
Speaker 3: a too big of it of a hurdle, but don't
Speaker 3: set up those hurdles in the beginning.
Speaker 1: And who are the people around this person? I you
Speaker 1: know that that's pretty that's a pretty early question for me.
Speaker 1: Tell me the five most important people in your life?
Speaker 1: Is it family? Is it friends? Do they have any friends?
Speaker 1: As as a woman, do you have other female friends.
Speaker 1: That's a huge one.
Speaker 2: Oh for me, for anybody to have friends peria.
Speaker 1: And you know obviously never dated many guys, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's the same of like for me, who are
Speaker 1: your friends? Where do they come from? How long have
Speaker 1: they been in your life? Who are these people that
Speaker 1: you know that I just think that the five or
Speaker 1: so people closest to you say a lot of about you.
Speaker 1: You were the total that people around you.
Speaker 3: I've said so many times, A big part of the
Speaker 3: reason I fell more in love with you is because
Speaker 3: I loved your friends. Does this person have not just
Speaker 3: acquaintances but good friends? And do you like those people?
Speaker 2: Are those people who.
Speaker 3: Are going to support that person being in a relationship,
Speaker 3: Like it's a red flag for me? Or it was
Speaker 3: if a guy like didn't have good friends who he
Speaker 3: also confided in and who just had like people he
Speaker 3: partied with, like right, that that says a lot. So okay,
Speaker 3: we've gone off, by the way, one more question. How
Speaker 3: many dates do you think you went on post divorce?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How many? How many?
Speaker 3: How many years did you? Well, I guess you got
Speaker 3: divorced in twenty it.
Speaker 1: Was almost eleven years.
Speaker 2: Wow, probably a lot there was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot.
Speaker 2: I was this podcast because I learned even more. Never
Speaker 2: asked him then, how many dates did you.
Speaker 1: Dozens? And as you know, there were a few relationships
Speaker 1: in there that took time where I wasn't dating I
Speaker 1: was just dating one person. So there were some relationships,
Speaker 1: but there were a lot of dates and there were
Speaker 1: a lot of those you know, those semi relationships where
Speaker 1: you kind of dated a little bit and then it
Speaker 1: stopped and you kind of rekindled and it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know this isn't right. But so those that kind
Speaker 1: of petered out, but there were I would say dozens.
Speaker 3: Well, let's take this to a question from Claire. Claire
Speaker 3: says she's in a very similar situation to you. I've
Speaker 3: been out of the game for a while, and I
Speaker 3: am terrified about getting back into dating. Any advice, any
Speaker 3: advice for Claire on jumping back in.
Speaker 1: I get the trepidation Claire, and I don't know her situation.
Speaker 1: I can relate it to myself where I had been
Speaker 1: married for almost twenty years. I didn't, as I said,
Speaker 1: have my twenties. So all of a sudden I was
Speaker 1: dating for the first time in a couple decades. Life
Speaker 1: had changed, The world had changed dramatically, even just little
Speaker 1: stupid thing like people don't call each other anymore. You text,
Speaker 1: People don't pick each other up for dates anymore. First
Speaker 1: dates you meet at the restaurant or wherever you're going.
Speaker 1: Some people don't even like to have meals as that
Speaker 1: first date. There's the code of we just meet for
Speaker 1: drinks or coffee, so I can pull the plug if
Speaker 1: I don't like you or don't like the way you look.
Speaker 1: So there were a lot of different rules I had
Speaker 1: to learn from where I came from, and so I
Speaker 1: get the trepidation I was. I was out of my game,
Speaker 1: I was out of shape. I was out of dating shape,
Speaker 1: and so I had to get back into it. But
Speaker 1: the only way I could do it was date was
Speaker 1: to treat it like a bit of a job, or
Speaker 1: treat it like I was actually working out, which was
Speaker 1: go on dates, fail, fall down on your face, make
Speaker 1: an ass of yourself. So be it, you know, And
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you went back and talked to a
Speaker 1: lot of the women that I was dating early on,
Speaker 1: they would just say, yeah, it was like dating an infant.
Speaker 1: He just was not he was crawling and not ready
Speaker 1: to walk yet. I'm sure. I'm sure that was the
Speaker 1: perspective because I was so out of my element.
Speaker 3: I go back to that same advice on being afraid
Speaker 3: to go on a first date. It's like, this is
Speaker 3: so if you really pull yourself back, this is so
Speaker 3: low stakes. This person you're going on a date with,
Speaker 3: they don't matter in your life, you might never see
Speaker 3: them again. These are not the people who who you
Speaker 3: feel like define you as a person and where their
Speaker 3: judgment and opinion of you matters.
Speaker 2: Who cares? Look at it that way, who cares?
Speaker 3: And they are lucky to be going on a date
Speaker 3: with you at all.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is Claire's situation, but
Speaker 1: people are often afraid of change. And yeah, change can
Speaker 1: be bad sometimes, but it can be great, change can
Speaker 1: be amazing. People change for the good and for the better.
Speaker 1: Every bit is often, if not more than when things
Speaker 1: go bad. And so don't take a bad date. Oh
Speaker 1: I've been on so many first dates. I'm so tired
Speaker 1: of and I'm tired of repeating my resume and I'm
Speaker 1: tired of this, those first conversations you got to have
Speaker 1: over and over. Yes, these are my kids. Yes I
Speaker 1: was married, this is what I do. I know, it
Speaker 1: gets exhausted, that first date talk is exhausting after you've
Speaker 1: done it for a while. But man, when you finally
Speaker 1: spark a connection with somebody and it works, you forget
Speaker 1: how bad it was and how exhausting it is, and
Speaker 1: then it just feels great. And so Claire, you just
Speaker 1: got to jump back in. You got to rip that
Speaker 1: band aid off and don't be afraid of change.
Speaker 3: That You have a quote on your a quote I
Speaker 3: think it's from your grandfather and you have it on
Speaker 3: our desk that I always that I think applies to
Speaker 3: like work and relationships, which is, what would you dare
Speaker 3: to do if you knew you could not fail?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What would you attempt to do if you knew
Speaker 1: you could not fail?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So go into thinking?
Speaker 3: You know, gosh, I think I think I got this
Speaker 3: quote from Mel Robbins, so I follow on Instagram. I
Speaker 3: love her, which is and I don't know if she
Speaker 3: originated it, but we always think about what if it
Speaker 3: goes wrong? We worry what if it goes wrong? We
Speaker 3: have to change this in our brain. But what if
Speaker 3: it goes right? What if the date's great? So you know,
Speaker 3: why are we afraid when it is it's just as
Speaker 3: likely to go awesome as it is to be hilarious.
Speaker 1: And I get, and I get we all build scar tissue,
Speaker 1: And so I understand that you get that. I guess
Speaker 1: pessimistic attitude. I'm so annoyingly optimistic that I just don't
Speaker 1: have that mindset and I never have whether it's business
Speaker 1: relationships of what if on the bad side, because you know,
Speaker 1: and I guess if you want to ask that question,
Speaker 1: just ask what is the worst thing that can happen? Here?
Speaker 1: What's the worst thing that can happen on a horrible
Speaker 1: first date? And again I'm saying, you know, barring something
Speaker 1: really tragic happening, I just mean in the normal realm,
Speaker 1: and that is nothing like you wasted a couple of
Speaker 1: hours on someone that's a complete tool or he's useless
Speaker 1: and you're never going to talk to me, And that's fine.
Speaker 1: So you wasted a Wednesday or Thursday night, You're okay,
Speaker 1: try it again. What's the worst thing that could happen?
Speaker 3: Bottom line, I always remember that the most important relationship
Speaker 3: we have is the one we have with ourselves. It's
Speaker 3: my favorite quote from Sex and the City. And I
Speaker 3: think for everybody who's dating, who's in a relationship, you
Speaker 3: have to prioritize that relationship with yourself. And that's going
Speaker 3: to put you out as a confident, ready to go
Speaker 3: person for being in your relationship or getting into one.
Speaker 2: And thank you guys for these questions, and just.
Speaker 1: Know, at the end of the day, we love you
Speaker 1: here and You are all welcome here, and no matter
Speaker 1: what happens on that date or in that relationship, you
Speaker 1: can always bring it to the Most Dramatic Podcast Ever.
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