1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: So RFK Junior has really ignited a conversation in the country, 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, make America healthy again, about what we're eating, 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: the shots that we're putting in our arms, about the 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: negative impact it's all having on our nation's health. A 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: lot of people started having more and more questions because 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: of COVID as well about the medical establishment, you know, 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: big Pharma, you know these alphabet agencies, you know nih 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: CDC won encouraging lockdowns which were wrong and hugely devastating 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: to Americans, to so many Americans into our country as 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: a whole, forcing shots in the arms of people didn't 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: need the vaccine. We've had some of these conversations on 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: the show previously with people like Kelly Means, but it's 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: just a topic of conversation that I'm very interested in. 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson, who is a friend of the show, 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: who we've had on who's always willing to engage in 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: conversations that other people find dangerous. He recently held a 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: roundtable discussion titled American Health and Nutrition A Second Opinion. 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: He convened a panel of experts talking about our nation's health, 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: talking about how big Pharma, you know, they've invested interest 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: in keeping us unhealthy that you know, they make money. Obviously, 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: the more people on medicine, the more money they make. 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: We saw that during COVID with the vaccine as well. 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: One of those. 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: Experts on the panel doctor Marty McCarey. He is a 25 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: friend of mine, he's a Fox News colleague, but he's 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: also super brave. During COVID, he was someone I frequently 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: went to asking questions about lockdowns, about the vaccine, just 28 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: overall health. 29 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: He's a great guy. 30 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: He's also the best selling author of a new book, 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: Blind Spots, as well, which everyone should go out and get. 32 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: But he's just a really brilliant guy. You know. 33 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: He's a surgeon and public policy researcher at John Hopkins University. 34 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: He writes for The Washington Post the Wall Street Journal 35 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: as well. He's also written a couple of other New 36 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: York Times best selling books, Unaccountable in the Price We Pay. 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: He was one of those individuals on this panel really 38 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: addressing those blind spots in his book, you know, when 39 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: medicine gets. 40 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: It wrong and what it means for hell. 41 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: Some of the things that he noted during his testimony, 42 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: which we'll get into in this common rotation as well, 43 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: is that twenty percent of our nation's kids are now 44 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: in medication, that we have the most over medicated, you 45 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: get the sickest population. 46 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: In the world. 47 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: He goes on to talk about how they've poisoned or 48 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: food supply engineered, highly addicted chemicals that are our put 49 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: in our food that we need, that they spray for 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: pesticides that kill pests, but we're eating them are in 51 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: our food. So just so much to discuss in this 52 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: conversation with someone I trust, someone who's become a friend 53 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: of mine, someone who I've leaned on for advice and 54 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: guidance on health related issues. He's just a really brilliant guy, 55 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: good guy friend and colleagues. So stay tuned for doctor 56 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: Martin McCarey. You know, doctor Martin McCarey. 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: Great to have you on this show. 58 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: You're a friend and someone who I whose advice I 59 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: saw frequently during COVID, So I appreciate you making the 60 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: time to come on the show. 61 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 3: Good to be with you, Lisa. 62 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: I always appreciated your insight throughout COVID because you know, 63 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: I felt like, particularly with not getting the vaccine, you know, 64 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: I had a lot of doctors really trying to push 65 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: it on me, and you never did when I went 66 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: to you, just say hey, this is the information we know, 67 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: here are the facts, and you know, just you just 68 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: gave information. And it's sad because that's how it should 69 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: have been throughout all of COVID is you know, I 70 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: think we should have just gotten updates on the numbers 71 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: with the data showed and really allowed Americans to decide, 72 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: you know, what sort of risk profile they were in 73 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: and making the right decisions, whether it was lockdowns or 74 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: the vaccine. 75 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: You know, the medical establishment just did not understand what 76 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: it meant to be ultra low risk from COVID, and 77 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: so it just kind of went into this discombobulated seizure 78 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: if somebody said they're not fully on board with the 79 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: belief system that every single person needs to be vaccinated. 80 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: Was that just mind blowing for you? 81 00:03:54,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: Throughout COVID just to see the public conversations just be 82 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: like complete nonsense and really not taking data into account, 83 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: and you know, just the lack of common sense and 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: the fear mongering, and it just seems and so many 85 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: doctors engaged in it, which is really anathetical to you know, 86 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: what you're supposed to be as you were supposed to 87 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: be as a medical professional, so I'm out as someone 88 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: who's reasonable and has common sense. 89 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: You know that had to have been really frustrating for you. 90 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the doctors are supposed to use their 91 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: best judgment and wisdom and and parts together the best 92 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: available evidence and make informed decisions. So yes and no. Yes, 93 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: I've seen the bandwagon effect throughout medicine with so many things, 94 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: be it the food pyramid, the Peenied allergy abstinence guideline 95 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: that was perfectly backwards, the opioids are non addictive. So 96 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: I've seen the group think alive and well throughout my career, 97 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: and I've seen how it sort of sidelines or dismisses 98 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: different opinions. But no, I is one thing I was 99 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 3: not expecting was the second I say President Trump would 100 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 3: support something, you would just have half the medical field 101 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: automatically do the say the opposite. If you said, hey, 102 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: you could do pancreas surgery laparoscopically with better outcomes and 103 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: lower complications, and President Trump said, you know, this is 104 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: a good thing, and I'm gonna do it, I kind 105 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: of support it. Fifty percent of the country, within say 106 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 3: of the medical field, would say, well, then laparoscpy is 107 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: evil and bad and we shouldn't be doing And you 108 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: saw this intellectual dishonesty that was, you know, to this day, 109 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: it's we're still watching it. We're starting to see a 110 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: little bit of it now with our effort to address 111 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: chronic diseases in children, as if somebody could be for 112 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: chronic diseases in children. So yeah, it's been a little 113 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 3: disappointing to watch. 114 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: So do you think, then, one, would it be a 115 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: fair statement to say that the group think has gotten 116 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: worse in the medical establishment than it has in years prior. 117 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 3: I think, so we've got a misinformation police, and we 118 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: have political apartheid in medicine. If you don't support the 119 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 3: right political party, you go over here, you don't go 120 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: in this room, you go in that room. You're not 121 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: on this panel, you're not invited to this conference, and 122 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 3: you don't get to do this and this, you get 123 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: to do that and something else. And so that's getting worse. 124 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: So it's the political I mean, we've seen politics sort 125 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: of infect all aspects of society. So you're saying now 126 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,559 Speaker 1: it's seeped into medicine as well. 127 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: I think So, I mean we have some refreshing moments 128 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: where my institution, Johns Hopkins, made a big statement that 129 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 3: they are not going to be taking political positions on 130 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: things and they support the free speech of the faculty, 131 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: and it's like, wow, where did that come from? That's great. 132 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: And then on the flip side, you know, we see 133 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: associations put out strong statements and medical journals now endorsing 134 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: political candidates for the first time in their two hundred 135 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 3: plus year history, which is disturbing. 136 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: I also, you know, one thing, one discussion that we've 137 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: had a lot on here with various people, and what 138 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: I've learned throughout COVID is just how much control, like 139 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: the nih for instance, has on the research that's being 140 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: conducted in the country through grants and through money. And 141 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: then also we've just sort of seen the revolving door 142 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: with you know, the these heads of the alphabet agencies 143 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: go on to you know, control big you know, go 144 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: on to big Pharma and these big positions and make 145 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: a ton of money. So it's just sort of a 146 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: revolving door for them. 147 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: Gosh. Yeah, the number of doctors that came up to 148 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: me during COVID and said I believe in everything you're saying, 149 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: I fully agree, but I'm applying for an NIH grant 150 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: or our department is you know, NIH funded, so I 151 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: can't say anything. And I thought, gosh, when did we 152 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: get central planners in medicine where a small group of doctors, 153 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: you know, can rule the kingdom like. 154 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: Some arc Well, and it kind of leads us into 155 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: this broader conversation that we're going to have today is 156 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, like what percentage of what we are told 157 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: about our health and the things we're supposed to do, 158 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: what percentage is actually about our health versus you know, 159 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: people wanting to make money, like whether it's big pharma 160 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: or you know, like, what are we being told that's 161 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: actually true in an ora interest versus in the interest 162 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: of making money. 163 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: Well, for example, most of our chronic diseases are avoidable 164 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: if we would address the root causes. And I don't 165 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: think there's a diabolical motive. I just think we've developed 166 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: giant blind spots where we've allowed big pharma to have 167 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: a hammer lock on our research enterprise and for studies 168 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: that don't fit the objective is a big pharma. We 169 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: have the NIH and the National Institutes of Health are 170 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 3: supposed to be funding the big studies that we need 171 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: to fund, but they are sort of now either in 172 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: their tunnel vision or have blinders on. You know, what 173 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: are they spending their money on. How about studying food 174 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: is medicine instead of funding back coronavirus research in China, 175 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: you know, and all these crazy grants that they give out. 176 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 3: One in six NIH grants goes to health equity or disparities. 177 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 3: That's an eighty one billion dollar budget over there at 178 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: an IH. And it's not interesting to say we have 179 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: differences based on race and socioeconomics, as we know that, 180 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 3: we know their health differences based health outcomes are based 181 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: on those factors. What's interesting is reducing those disparities. And 182 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: for that there's almost no interest. It's almost you know, 183 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: make it. The ruling class feels good about themselves by saying, 184 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 3: we're describing these differences in the population, Well, how about 185 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 3: reducing those disparities. 186 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: But I guess maybe I think they're a little bit 187 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: more diabolical. I've become very jaded doctor, very very jadd 188 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: over the years because. 189 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: There's less money for them to make. 190 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: If you increase the percentage of the population that are healthy, Yeah, 191 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: if more Americans are healthy, there's less money to be made. 192 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: And you know, whether it's putting everyone on ozempic or 193 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, putting vaccines in the arms of everyone, or 194 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, giving them medicine. Like, if we're a healthier society, 195 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: you're not making as much money. If you're a big 196 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: pharma and they want us to be sick, there's a 197 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: there's money to be made for a sick Yeah. 198 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: I mean, how about we focus on school lunch programs 199 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: instead of putting every overweight kid on ozempic. We've got 200 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: half our nation's children overweight or obese. So all we 201 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: hear about is this myopic, single strategy of getting these 202 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 3: kids on medication. Where's the conversation about healthy foods. Where's 203 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: the conversation about how we strip our wheat of fiber 204 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 3: and chop it up so it functions like sugar in 205 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: the bio and all the pesticides and highly engineered food ingredients. 206 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: Who's going to study that, Who's aligned to look at 207 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 3: the food supply? And so what we have is we've 208 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: did about this giant blind spot where we have the 209 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: root cause of so many of our exploding chronic diseases. 210 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: I mean, everything is up, autommune diseases, pcos, fertility rates 211 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: are going down, cancer and the GI tract, and it's 212 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: like no one is interested in actually talking about the 213 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 3: root causes. 214 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: We've got a quick commercial break more with doctor Marty McCarey. 215 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: I want to get to that there seems to be, 216 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: you know, some desire to shift some of those conversations. 217 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: And I really give a lot of credit to carfk 218 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: Junior of you know, taking a lot of incoming fire 219 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: and bringing you know, the discussion of making America healthy again. 220 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: I know that Senator Ron Johnson recently led a roundtable 221 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: discussion titled American Health and Nutrition a Second Opinion, you know, 222 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: having convening a bunch of experts together to talk about 223 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: you know, food processing, health care industries and how it's 224 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: all impacting the nation's health. 225 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 2: You were part of that discussion. 226 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: For those who missed the roundtable discussion, I guess what 227 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: should people know and give us a little bit of 228 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: insight into you know what took place during that roundtable discussion. 229 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: Well, that was an incredible day, Lisa, A milestone in 230 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: American healthcare. Basically a group of people interested in health 231 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 3: and chronic diseases and the root causes got together. We 232 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: convened at the Senate and testified moms, experts. Physicians Casey 233 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 3: and Kelly Means were there. RFK Junior, and it was incredible. 234 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: You saw this passion to finally get at the root causes. 235 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: You know, there's discussion about lowering drug prices in America. 236 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: The best wait a lower drug costs, or to stop 237 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,359 Speaker 3: taking drugs we don't need, and we have this incredibly 238 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: expensive healthcare system with the worst outcomes. So we saw 239 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: people talking about why is fruit Loops, which is made 240 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 3: by Kellogg's made in two forms, one for Canada where 241 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: all these artificial chemicals in them are banned, and another 242 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: version for the United States. Don't American kids deserve the 243 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: healthiest version of a serial made by an American company? 244 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: And so we saw an incredible discussion. I've never seen 245 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: it before. It was inspiring. Everyone should watch it. It 246 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: was totally apolitical. I posted it on my social media accounts. 247 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: But this thing is going around now and I think 248 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: we're seeing a new enthusiasm to finally address our poison 249 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 3: food supply. 250 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: You said some things that really just you know, it's 251 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: sort of mind boggling that we don't talk about this 252 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: more and that this conversation doesn't get a bigger a 253 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: national platform. You said that twenty percent of our nation's 254 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: kids are on medication, which seems crazy to me, and 255 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: then you made the statement of we have the most 256 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: over medicated, sikest population in the world, and so it's 257 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, at some point, why continue to medicate people 258 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: if we continue to be the sickest population. Clearly we're 259 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: not addressing those root causes, as you pointed out, and 260 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem that, you know, increasing the percentage of 261 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: Americans who are medicated is helping reduce the population that 262 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: are are sick. 263 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: Yes, and we we need more research on this, but 264 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: we don't need to wait for a ten year randomized 265 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: control trial on a new ingredient. Just look at Europe 266 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: where they have different standards. They don't allow a lot 267 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: of these highly processed, engineered chemicals in their food supply. 268 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: You have to show safety first. In the US, we 269 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: have this standard called Generally Recognized as Safe for what 270 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: we call grass, which basically means no one is watching 271 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: what the food industr tree creates and what chemicals they add, 272 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: and no one's testing it. There's no standard. And look 273 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: at Europe. They're healthier, they have lower rates of all 274 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: kinds of chronic diseases. Look at the Amish in the 275 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: United States. They're not eating this processed junk. They're eating 276 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: whole foods that grow out of great soil from regenerative farming. 277 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: And they have lower rates of everything autism, chronic diseases, 278 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:31,359 Speaker 3: autoimmune cancer. They have basically no obesity in their childhood population. 279 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: So this is not rocket science, This is not hard. 280 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: All we have to do is use some common sense. 281 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: And if you look at our medical establishment, they're blind. 282 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: I mean sometimes they can't see the forest from the trees. 283 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: When the US government acknowledge that settlers and farmers in 284 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: New Mexico had destroyed the soil of the Pima Indians 285 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: from diverting water and the soil was completely unusable, the 286 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 3: government sent food to the Pima Indians. They sent them 287 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: and it wasn't organic kale, It was processed food. It 288 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: was junk food, it was spam and things like that, 289 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: and guess what, the obesity and diabetes rates went from 290 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: one percent to ninety percent. The NIH then dispatches their 291 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: scientists to look for a gene. They drew the blood 292 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: of the Indians and this big NIH funded project to 293 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: figure out why the Pima Indians were obese. Did they 294 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: have an obesity gene. It's like you morons, you can't 295 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: see the forest from the trees. Sometimes you need to 296 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: zoom out and look at the macro and realize that 297 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: we have done this to people. It's not the fault 298 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: of American children. They're not more lazy or disobedient than 299 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: kids in Japan, where childhood obesity is rare. No, maybe 300 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: we have poisoned their food supplied. Maybe adults have done 301 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: this to children. 302 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, I guess what percentage of cancers are avoidable 303 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: through lifestyle changes and the way we liver lives. 304 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: Well, I would say most. Now you'll hear the medical 305 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: establishment and say, well, we don't know, and it's probably genetics. 306 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: And all that. 307 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: But look at the rates that are going up and 308 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: which cancers are going up. It's the cancers that line 309 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 3: the gas tru intestinal tract, what we call the GI cancers. 310 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: And what's unique about the GI cancers it is the 311 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: front line of interface of all these chemicals and processed 312 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: foods that we ingest Ten to twenty percent of Americans' 313 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 3: calories now are coming from seed oils, which sound healthy 314 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: like vegetable oil, but they're not. These are chemicals that 315 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: are denatured at high temperatures and changed with the chemical 316 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 3: solvent the body is. These are not naturally occurring molecules. 317 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: So when they go down the GI tract, the body's 318 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: immune system is reacting to the everyday food that people 319 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: are eating. And it's not a big inflammatory storm. It's 320 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 3: a low grade inflammation that's constant, that makes people feel sick. 321 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: They don't feel well, they feel low energy, and we 322 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: wonder what's going on, and they get sad and we 323 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: put them on antidepressants. I mean, we can't keep going 324 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: down this road. We've got to look at these root causes. 325 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've recently tried to. I think I turned forty 326 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: eight in February. So I've been, you know, just upping 327 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: working out. I've been doing like a very like clean 328 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: eating food delivery service or I've been posting them on 329 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: my social media. 330 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: I do get the food for greep, but I've been 331 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: posting it. 332 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: But I've been like really into I just did the 333 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: MRI scan, which I was talking to you about. I 334 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: was texting you about that you know, detects for five 335 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: hundred cancers and diseases of just you know. I think 336 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: in part because of the discussions that are happening in 337 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: the country. 338 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: About health, do you I guess should we? 339 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: And then I want to switch to your book in 340 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: a second, but which I know it's part of the 341 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: broader conversation that we're having. 342 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: But is it is it time to. 343 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Revisit vaccines and the vaccines that we're giving children? You know? 344 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: You know obviously you know things like MMR or you 345 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: know polio that have been around for forever. You know, 346 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: polio you look at I think the fatality rate for 347 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: adults is something like fifteen to thirty percent, which is 348 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: very very serious. But like, are we over vaccinating children? 349 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: Are we over vaccinating Americans? Should that be part of 350 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: this broader conversation that we're having as a country. 351 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: I think everything should be a part of it. I 352 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: think all of it. We need to look at everything 353 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 3: that we're doing that we were not doing one generation ago, 354 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 3: when we had low rates of chronic diseases and low 355 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 3: rates of childhood disease. Do we need a hepatitis B 356 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: vaccine upon birth in the hospital when you're born like 357 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: the day you're born, do you need a hepatitis B vaccine? Really? 358 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: It's es sexually a transmitted infection that you can also 359 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: get from ivy drug use. We're giving it to newborns. Really, 360 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 3: do do they need that extra inflammatory response from a vaccine? 361 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 3: I think vaccines to become a religion you have to 362 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: be one hundred percent for or they label you an 363 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 3: anti vaccer. They don't tolerate a nuanced discussion. There's so 364 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 3: much absolutism, and for vaccines, the vast majority of them, 365 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: But it's okay to ask some questions. It turns out 366 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: you didn't need a COVID vaccine second dose three to 367 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 3: four weeks after the first dose. Best time if you 368 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 3: did need the vaccine was three months. That was study 369 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 3: was pretty clear out of Europe early in the COVID 370 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: vaccine rollout, but nobody wanted to hear it. It's like 371 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: you got to just be obedient, follow the medical leaders. 372 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: And when you look at the track record of a 373 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 3: small group of central planners in medicine issuing broad edicts 374 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 3: based on their opinions, they don't have a very good 375 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 3: track record. And that's some a bit of what I 376 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 3: go through in the book is let's look at the 377 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: modern health recommendations that a small elite group of medical 378 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: establishment leaders have bestowed upon the public, and let's just 379 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: see how they've held up with current research. And it 380 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: turns out there's one of the greatest propagators of misinformation 381 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 3: has been the United States government. 382 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 2: Quick break, stay with us. 383 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: You talked about, you know, inflammation, and it seems like 384 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: inflammation sort of the you know, driver of you know, 385 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: diseases and some of these cancers as well. What can 386 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: people do to to try to you know, reduce inflammation 387 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: in the body and to you know, I guess what 388 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: is a healthy lifestyle, A truly healthy lifestyle look like, 389 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: not you know, the lifestyle obviously that the government recommends, 390 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: because you know that lead us to being medicated and 391 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: probably dying early. But like in the actual you know, 392 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: healthy lifestyle, like what steps can people do to mitigate 393 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: the risk of cancer and to mitigate the risk of 394 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: disease down their life in their. 395 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: I would say, read food labels. We've got about a 396 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: thousand ingredients in the United States that are really chemicals 397 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: that have been banned in Europe that are allowed in 398 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 3: the US. Food supply and are ubiquitous. Look for those 399 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: seed oils and try to avoid them. The vegetable oils canola, soybean, 400 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 3: you'll see them everywhere. Try to cook with the healthy oils, 401 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 3: avocado oil, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil. Avoid these 402 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: highly processed foods, and avoid foods with pesticides on the surface. 403 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: If you're eating the surface of a fruit or vegetable 404 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: like a strawberry, for example, has been sprayed over a 405 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 3: dozen times with pesticides, and there's seven different types of pesticides, 406 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: So you want to buy organic, which means pesticide free. 407 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: If pesticides are killing pests, guess what they're doing to 408 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 3: your microbiome. That is the lining of the gaserin intestinal 409 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 3: tract with millions of different bacteria involved in absorption, digestion, training, 410 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: the immune system, and some of those bacteria make serotonin, 411 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 3: involving your mood and brain health. So I tell people 412 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 3: to buy organic when it comes to foods and vegetables, 413 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 3: especially when you're eating the surface of them. And you 414 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: know these are basic Biblical principles, whole foods from good soil, 415 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: clean meats, fasting, meditation. The medical field occasionally feels like 416 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 3: they discovered one of these biblical principles, but really they're 417 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 3: they're very ancient and simple. 418 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: Well, and now, you know, part of the discussion about 419 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: your new book New York Times bestselling author blind Spots. 420 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean it seems like there are many of them. 421 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: You know, you write about how the experts said, for 422 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, decades at obiate's were not addictive. Obviously, you know, 423 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: we're saying a massive national crisis with that, talking about 424 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: how you know, they refuse menopausal women hormone homeown replacement therapy, 425 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: causing honcessary suffering. Demonized natural food are natural fat and foods, 426 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: you know, driving Americans to process carbohydrates and obesit rates 427 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: sword You know, obviously we've gotten into some of the 428 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: blind spots. But you know, what else should people know about? 429 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: And also, you know what drove you to write this book. 430 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 3: You know, medicine has a lot of group think. Society 431 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: has a lot of group think today. We see it 432 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 3: in politics, you see it, I'm sure in your world 433 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 3: of politics. But we need to be impeccably objective. We 434 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: need to recognize our subconscious bias to hold on to 435 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: what we believe, not because it's better or more logical 436 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 3: than new information. But just because we heard it first 437 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: we think it's correct. We have to recognize that's a 438 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: subconscious bias that we all have. And in medicine, the 439 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: pride of the medical elites has really resulted in some 440 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: tremendous damage. Bad health recommendations were the public still does 441 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: not know that some of them were flawed or incorrect. 442 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: Now everyone knows that they got opioids wrong for twenty 443 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 3: plus years, but I don't think people know that one 444 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: of the biggest screw ups in modern medicine was telling 445 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 3: women going through menopause that starting hormone therapy that is, 446 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: replacing your estrogen with estrogen exogenously, that what we call 447 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: hormone replacement therapy. They said it caused breast cancer. This 448 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: was an NIH scientist from twenty two years ago had 449 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: it in a press conference that it causes breast cancer. Well, 450 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 3: fifty million women have been denied this incredible therapy because 451 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: of this doctor who made this announcement. He never released 452 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: his data at the time of the press conference. Eventually, 453 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: when it came out, it turns out there was no 454 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 3: statistically significant increase in breast cancer. But the media had 455 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: run with the story, and to this day, eighty percent 456 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: of doctors will not prescribe hormone therapy to women dealing 457 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: with menopause. And by the way, it doesn't just help 458 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: with the menopausal symptoms of night flashes or night sweats, 459 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: hot flashes, weight game, mood swings, all of that. Those 460 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 3: are what we call the metopausal symptoms. It doesn't just 461 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: alleviate them. Women live longer because it's it makes your 462 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: blood vessels healthier, and it helps with your nerves, the neurons, 463 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: so there's less cognitive decline fifty to sixty percent less 464 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 3: cognitive decline. The risk of Alzheimers goes down by thirty 465 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 3: five percent. On women who take hormonal replacement therapy, the 466 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: risk of heart attacks is cut in half. That's the 467 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 3: number one cause of death in women. And if a 468 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 3: woman falls, they have stronger bones because hormone therapy prevents osteoporosis, 469 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: so they're far less likely to have a hip fracture 470 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: or need surgery for a broken bone later in life. 471 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 3: There's probably no medication that has improved the health outcomes 472 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: of a population more than hormone replacement therapy for perimenopausal women, 473 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 3: if they start it within ten years of menopause. But sadly, 474 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: because of this dog must at started by this NIH scientist, 475 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: fifty million women and counting are being denied this incredible therapy. 476 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 3: So that's one of the examples in the book what 477 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 3: people need to know about preventing peanut allergies, cancer prevention, 478 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 3: healthy foods, all the stuff we talked about in the 479 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 3: first half here of this conversation. These are things where 480 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 3: people need to know the truth. So a bunch of 481 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 3: us doctors, now Casey means myself, Peter a TV and 482 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: I PROSOD, We're going directly to the public to say, look, 483 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 3: you've been lied to about so many important things that 484 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: are central to health. That there's no bigger issue in 485 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 3: America than our poison food supply, and it's important to 486 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 3: address these chronic diseases with good information. So that's why 487 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: I wrote the book Blind Spots. 488 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: That's I'm still the hormone replacement theory. I'm still that's 489 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: that's that is remarkable, you know, and deeply disappointing. Have 490 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: we covered the collective of who is poisoning for food? 491 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's the wild d West. There are 492 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 3: so many factors microplastics, heavy metals, and water that's not 493 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: appropriately cleaned and filtered for the public. That you know, 494 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: local governments just don't invest in water treatment. In my 495 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 3: area of Washington, DC, that the City of Washington, d C. 496 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: Will pour raw sewage into the river the same place 497 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 3: where they draw water for the drinking water. So when 498 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: I see this absolutism that every newborn child needs to 499 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: get a hepatitis feed vaccine upon delivery in the delivery room, 500 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: I think to myself, I wish the medical establishment could 501 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: just take five percent of that enthusiasm and absolutism and 502 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: talk about our poisoned food supply by in the chronic 503 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: disease epidemic and children, or talk about clean water. And 504 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 3: so this is where we see these huge blind spots 505 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: in modern medicine where we're just not talking about the 506 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 3: important things. And by the way, I think we've done 507 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: a terrible thing to doctors in this country. We've told 508 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: them as a medical field, our leaders have said, put 509 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: your heads down. Doctors focus on billing and coding, seeing 510 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: patients and short visits, and we're going to measure you 511 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 3: by your throughput and guess what, Okay, good job here 512 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 3: you get a bonus and everyone's collecting their paychecks every 513 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 3: two weeks. But who is working on health? Who's talking 514 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 3: about school lunch programs, not just putting every kid on ozempic, 515 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: Who's talking about treating diabetes with cooking classes, not just 516 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: putting everyone on insulin? And who's talking about the environmental 517 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: exposures that cause cancer not just the chemo to treat it. 518 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 3: These are the big issues that we need to confront 519 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: and we're starting to see tremendous enthusiasm now to deal 520 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: with these things. 521 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: You know, I guess what changes? 522 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: You know, obviously it takes people like you, which you've 523 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: been you know, very brave on a lot of different issues, 524 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, during COVID all of it, of coming forward 525 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: and just really presenting the facts. But I guess, how 526 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: do we how do we you know, how do the 527 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: Domino's fall? 528 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 3: Like what? 529 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: You know, what what do we? How do we change things? 530 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: You know in government? 531 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: When you know you look at people like Fauci previously 532 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: at the helm of you know, the NIH and just 533 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: so much distrust there. You know, I guess what changes 534 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: need to be made so that America becomes healthy again? 535 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: Well? 536 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: Right now? Big food, Big AG and pharma feel that 537 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 3: they own the government regulatory agencies, and so step number 538 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: one is to get rid of so many of these 539 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 3: conflicts of interest that have created not just the disastrous 540 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: and catastrophic Food Pyramid, but the revised version which just 541 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: came out last year. They an i h unveiled the 542 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: replacement for the Food Pyramid. It's the Food Compass, and 543 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: the Food Compass concluded that Lucky Charm cereal is healthier 544 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 3: than a state and so we've got to get rid 545 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 3: of the misinformation that is actively put out by the government. 546 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 3: We need to support the school lunch program, not with 547 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 3: unfunded mandates, but with support with good information, with funding, 548 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 3: and to make American schools have healthy food, and we 549 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: need to educate the public. There are some things that 550 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: can be done at the FDA. I don't want to 551 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 3: see too much about that, but there are things that 552 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 3: can be done. We can learn from some of the 553 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 3: regulators in Europe about how to ensure we have a 554 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 3: healthy food supply and at the same time promote innovation 555 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 3: and encourage No one is anti pharma, it's just pharma 556 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 3: should not have a hammer lock on American health and 557 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: allow us to be so myopic that nobody is talking 558 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: about the root causes. But we need pharma companies that 559 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: are innovating in ways that are not just designed to 560 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: get the whole country addicted to a medication. And when 561 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 3: it comes to mental health and children, we need a 562 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: new approach. I mean, the road we're on is a 563 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 3: terrible road. Forty percent of American kids will have a 564 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: mental health diagnosis by the time they turn eighteen. What's 565 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: going on here? Twenty percent are on medications. Right. You 566 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: mentioned that maybe kids were not designed by God to 567 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: sit in a sedentary debt classroom, to sit sedentary at 568 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 3: a classroom for seven hours a day, messing up their 569 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 3: circadian rhythms, putting them under a fluorescent light, and then 570 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 3: a kid doesn't like it, and then we say, we're 571 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 3: diagnosing you with attention deficit disorder or oppositional defiant disorder. 572 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 3: That's a real thing, and then we put them on medications. 573 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: I mean, what somebody has to say, maybe we need 574 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 3: to design the schools for the children, not design the 575 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 3: schools for adults who want to unload their children. And 576 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 3: so we need fresh new ideas. 577 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: Agree with everything you just said. Although the only place 578 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: I will disagree. 579 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: Is I think I might be anti pharma. 580 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: I anti a lot of things these. 581 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: Maybe at some point my trust and people will angy 582 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: COVID burn me, you know, but my trust is high. 583 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: I get it. I get it. If you just look 584 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: at cancer. For example, we spend eighty one billion dollars 585 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: at the NIH and probably three hundred billion dollars total 586 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: on cancer. What did we get for that money each year? 587 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: What are we what's our return on investment? Have we 588 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 3: cured anything? I mean, we are looking at small, incremental, 589 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 3: tiny little steps where the top paper at the big 590 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 3: cancer meeting that I went to was a chemo that's 591 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 3: been around for a long time, applied to another cancer 592 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 3: extends survival by a couple months. And I'm thinking there, 593 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 3: I'm sitting, what's asking what is the cure rate? Did 594 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 3: it cure anyone who was not cured with the other chemo? 595 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 3: And no one discusses that. It's just, oh, we added 596 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 3: a couple months. There was no increase in the cure rate. 597 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 3: What do we need? Big ideas? Okay, we've got a 598 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 3: bunch of dinosaurs right now saying hey, cancer has to 599 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 3: focus on these legacy ideas and an old guard establishment 600 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 3: decides what young people can study in the field of cancer. 601 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 3: Maybe we need big ideas, Maybe we need fresh new ideas. 602 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: Maybe we need to encourage young genius scientists to take 603 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 3: here's ten million dollars in a grant. You go study 604 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 3: whatever you think is important for seven years. You can pivot. 605 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 3: You don't have to send us reports two months and 606 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 3: you know, stick to the original plan. We need to 607 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 3: do something different because we're not addressing the root causes 608 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 3: of cancer and we're not making progress with cancer. 609 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: But I guess as you were saying that, I found 610 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: myself agreeing, but then also thinking, well, how much money 611 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: is there to be made off of cancer? And you know, 612 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: what percentage would they lose if you actually cured cancer? 613 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: And so perhaps that's why we haven't cured a lot 614 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: of these things, is because there's money to be made 615 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: off of it. And I hate to be so calloused, 616 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: but just given everything we went through with COVID and 617 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: just the the you know, push for the vaccine that 618 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: so many Americans didn't need, that you know, people have 619 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: vaccine injuries that never get discussed. We don't know the 620 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: long term impacts of what you know, mRNA is going 621 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: to do to Americans because we don't have long term 622 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: data for the COVID vaccine. 623 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 2: So I mean, isn't. 624 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: There more incentive to keep Americans, you know, keep cancer 625 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: right up? Then there is secure cancer. And that's the 626 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: same to be said for a lot. So I mean, 627 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: I hate to be so callous, but that's what I 628 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: truly believe. 629 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 3: Look, I get it, Lisa. I think I can understand 630 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 3: why people would make that observation. I think from the inside. 631 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 3: In my opinion, it's less intentional, but it is still 632 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 3: very much a powerful force of groupthink that prevents us 633 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 3: from from asking the questions we should be asking, and 634 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 3: just to keep being cogs in the wheel and doing 635 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 3: what we're told and allowing pharma to passively control the 636 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,479 Speaker 3: research enterprise. There's two hours of nutrition education at most 637 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 3: medical schools, and most of it is misinformation. It's the 638 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 3: old food pyramid and it's the old food industry written stuff. 639 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 3: So as long as we're ignoring the causes of cancer 640 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 3: and the causes of crise, thees is and inflammation and 641 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 3: for mitochondrial health and diabetes, and we're watching all these 642 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 3: conditions explode, I mean a crazy high rates. Now to 643 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 3: the point where one in five women will have an 644 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 3: autoimmune disease and seventy five percent of Americans will have 645 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 3: pre diabetes, diabetes, or metabolic dysfunction. I mean, who is 646 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 3: who's going to say, hey, you know what, guys, as 647 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 3: a medical profession, we're pretty good in emergencies and hot 648 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 3: technical operations, but when it comes to the health of 649 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 3: the public, we have failed for fifty years. And that's 650 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 3: I think a reckoning that we need to say, we 651 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 3: need to try an entirely new approach. 652 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you, doctor Marty McCarey. You've become a 653 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: friend and someone I frequently. 654 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,959 Speaker 2: I think I texted you. I went to go get this. 655 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: MRI MRI thing and I texted you. It was like 656 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: midnight and like, so doctor, probably, like what is. 657 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 2: Wrong with you? Are you thanking me these random things? 658 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 2: No one wants to be inside my head. It's it's 659 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: an exhausting place. 660 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 3: You know, It's part of the job of being a doctor. 661 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 3: We get it all the time, my pleasure. 662 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: No. And I went to you with you know, some 663 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: family some you know, family health stuff recently and went 664 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: to But you've been a friend and you're just a 665 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: really great guy, and I really appreciate you being so 666 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: bold and brave, and you know, I'm so glad to 667 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: see Blind Spots doing so well. Just appreciate everything you do. 668 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: So just appreciate you joining the show and just fighting 669 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: the good fight. 670 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Le's it great to be with you. 671 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: That was New York Times best selling author Doctor Marta McCarey. 672 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: Of Blind Spots is his new book. 673 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: Go check it out. 674 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 1: Appreciate him for taking the time to join the show. 675 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, 676 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. 677 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 2: I want to thank. 678 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together. 679 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: Until next time.