1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: UFC returns this weekend on pay per view, returns to 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: the city of Miami, oring to lower my shirt where 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: my fucking one? 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: Well, that's low now, Jesus' avershot. 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: This is very prom I'm a very er, never a 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: dull moment here on CBS Sports h Q. It is 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: a welterweight down between Burns and Organe Monstit only. 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 3: One of us post forty nice as. 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Morning Combats tour of South Florida would not be complete 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: without a room service diaries. Sit down with our own 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: in house Hall of Fame champion Sugar Rashad Evans. It's 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, It's Luke Thomas, It's r. S. D here 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: on the grounds of CBS Sports in Fort Lauderdale. But 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: our guy is back in the sea. Pour some sugar 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: on me in the name of love. Do you know 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: that song was actually about sex? 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: Yes? 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: Yea Sugar Reshod. I mean, I've done a podcast with 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: you for years. I know these great stories, but we 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: appreciate you sitting down with us to tell a few 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: of those, because you've had and are still having as 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: a broadcaster in Ayahuasca Truther one hell of. 23 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: A career, absolutely, man, I've been still going, uh, you know, 24 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 3: just been joining a ride and that's been you know, 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: my my my mantra for the second half of my life, 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: I say, second phase my life is just enjoy it, 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: enjoyed the process. I feel like a lot of times 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: as an athlete, I spent too much time worrying about 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: the end result, the end result, to the point where 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: I really missed a lot of the ride along the 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: way because I'm too busy looking for ahead. 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: I feel like the same kind of way, I just 33 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: want to get right to it if I can. Can 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: we talk drugs as good as. 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: You're like, You're like if you could produce a toad 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: right now? 37 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: I want to be I want to be dead, ser 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 1: I want to have I want to have an adult 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: conversation with us. And I mean this in all sincerity. 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: I will tell you that I have had it's done 41 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: a lot of reading on this, and like not I've 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: never experimented in the way that you have. But I 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: certainly in no way bash it or think little of it. 44 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: In fact, I think quite good of it. When did 45 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: you realize, and I mean that serious, when did you 46 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: realize that there were certain kinds of experiences, certain kinds 47 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: of drugs and the combination of the two that could 48 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: change the way you thought about yourself in a helpful 49 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: and serious way. 50 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: You know. 51 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: It really came to me when I did the Toad. 52 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: When I did five E MEO DMT in twenty eighteen. 53 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: It was after I lost a fight with Anthony Smith, 54 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: and I've dialt with it and play with you know, mushrooms, 55 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: psychedelic mushrooms at the time, but it didn't quite I'd 56 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: never had that breakthrough, right you have They say you 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: have a breakthrough when you just kind of like crash 58 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 3: through what you understand consciousness to be and you start 59 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: to see things differently. And when I did the Toad, 60 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 3: which is five EO DMT se create it from the 61 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: back of the Sonoran Desert Toad, that just completely changed everything. 62 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: It was It was almost as if like I woke 63 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: up in the middle of my life. 64 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's take a step back. What prompted you 65 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: to try that? Who helped you, like walk me through 66 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: how you went from like I don't know anything about 67 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: this to now I'm doing this toad. 68 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 3: So I was towards the end of my career. I struggled. 69 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: I lost five fights and roll. You guys know this, 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: and that's. 71 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: Sham sam Alv. I mean, damn right. 72 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 3: Sam Alvy every time? Yeah, yeah, then yes, then damn 73 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: sam Alvi did. But I mean that's part of the 74 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: journey that brought me to it, just not being able 75 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: to have that breakthrough for myself and not come from 76 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: that place of competing. Because for me, when I was 77 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: competing at those times, I was like, it was therapy 78 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: for me. But then it's the fight itself. Fighting was 79 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: just it was therapy. It was how I worked out, 80 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: you know, the issues that I had in my life. 81 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: But there was a disconnect and I couldn't figure it out. 82 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: So towards the end of my career, I started to 83 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: look for answers. And the guy that I knew was like, 84 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: I think I know something that might help you, and 85 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: I was like, were skeptical. I was skeptical. I was 86 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: skeptical because I didn't think that anything could top any 87 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: of the experience that I had and I didn't really 88 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 3: think that psychedelics were gonna do it, you know. So 89 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I'll try it. And when 90 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 3: I tried it, it was where was this It was. 91 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: In Colorado, Okay, it was in the United States. 92 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: It was in the United States. It was in Colorado 93 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: in like a cabin in the mountains, And. 94 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: Was this like you know how Aaron Rodgers did, like 95 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: the he did the Darkness Retreat. Was this like a 96 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: retreat where they take people who are interested in some 97 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: kind of experience and part of. 98 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: Joshua Fabia's camp. 99 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, But I'm serious, Like what was the process, 100 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Like what was the setting? I guess is what I mean. 101 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: So the setting was it was a group of friends. 102 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: It was probably about about ten of us, and we 103 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 3: got a shaman and you know, we we went into 104 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: my friend's cabin and he had the cabin some nice 105 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: property in the mountains, and we just went outside, found 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 3: a place and we just you know, explored, explored our consciousness. 107 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: And I was never the same ever since. 108 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 2: We don't know how much experimental drug psychedelic drugs can 109 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: be used to combat PTSD and so many great things 110 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: in the mental health field. It's now opening up new things, 111 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: I think, as is marijuana in a lot of way. 112 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: What sort of I mean, Look, professional fighting is not easy. 113 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: You were able to become a UFC let heavyweight champion. 114 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: You are in the UFC Hall of Fame. You've still 115 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: got a great career in the sport as a broadcaster, coach, 116 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: mentor all that. But like, is this life trauma? Is 117 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: this trauma from the sport that led you to something here? 118 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: I would say a little bit of both. I would 119 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: say a little bit of both. And I would say, 120 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: you know, it's more of life trauma because the trauma 121 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 3: and fighting. Yes, it's trauma getting disappointed and stuff like that, 122 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: but it was it was more of the life trauma 123 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: that I that I've had since, you know, growing up 124 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: and not you know, I use fighting to deal with 125 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: those issues a lot of times, but then fighting was 126 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: not a big enough stick and to say and all 127 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 3: honestly speaking, I kind of solved a lot of those 128 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: problems just through fighting, you know, So I worked through 129 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: a lot of those problems. But I felt as if 130 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: like the more damage I was doing as I became 131 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: this fighter who the world knew me as kind of 132 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: caused more trauma. You know, I got divorce, out of 133 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: the house with my two kids that I had my 134 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: wife with, you know, living in Florida, they live in Illinois. 135 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: Not being able to be the father that I want 136 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: to be to them. You know, those are the kind 137 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 3: of things that was eating at me at the end 138 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: of the day, because no matter how successful I was, 139 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: I failed. I failed in that aspect and I sustain 140 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 3: that you can't wipe away. And it's something that for me, 141 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: it hurt me at such a level because I was 142 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: a product of a divorce and I knew what that 143 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: meant for me growing up, you know, having in a 144 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: strange relationship with my father. So I was kind of 145 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: hurting the fact that I did this same same thing 146 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: to my kids, and it was hard. 147 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: To deal with. 148 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 3: It was hard to deal with, But that was kind 149 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: of some of the trauma that living the lifestyle member 150 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: I talk about. You know, when you get to a 151 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: certain level in a fight game, you start living a 152 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: certain lifestyle. You start going to the parties, you start, 153 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: you know, hooking up with the girls. You know, you start, 154 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: you know, doing the drugs and all the other things 155 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: that come along with just living. And it's great first 156 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: at first, it's at first it's great and it's the 157 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: best thing else. 158 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: He would not know, Yeah, but at first it is awesome. 159 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: It's the best thing ever, And you're like, man, I 160 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: wish I could do this, ever, but then you start 161 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: doing it and then you realize that it's not so 162 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: great and you can get so mentally convoluted you lose 163 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: your way. 164 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so help me understand in a basic way. What's 165 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: the expression. Talk to me like I'm five right, tell 166 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: me like I'm fansplaining. Man's playing to explain it, but 167 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: hi ayahuasca explained. Tell me in the in the simplest terms, 168 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: what the trip was like, and a little bit how 169 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: long it lasted. And also on the other side, I 170 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: want you to tell me the first thing that occurts 171 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: you in terms of like the clarity and the understanding 172 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: that it provided. 173 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you do this medicine, you know, you 174 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 3: sit down with a shaman and you know the medicine itself, 175 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: it's it's secretions from the back the toad, from the toad. 176 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: So it's like they milk the gland and they pop 177 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: it and it's on a glass and they scrape it 178 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: and it looks like fish scales. So you smoke that, 179 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: and when you smoke it, you feel like you died. 180 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: You feel like you just died. And the first thing 181 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: you probably say to yourself is, man, I just killed myself, 182 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 3: which I did say. But then there was this moment 183 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: where it all became clear to me. It all became 184 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: like waking up from a dream, being in a strange environment, 185 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: being like having to piece together everything that you know, 186 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: how you get there, what'sh your name and everything like that. 187 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 3: It became like one of those moments, and I started 188 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 3: to remember being in this place. It was this place 189 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: of just the most amazing bright light, almost as if 190 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: I was in the sun. And then there was this 191 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: feeling of love that just kind of almost took the 192 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 3: feeling like the breath away from me. And then there 193 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: was this feeling of just completeness and of there was 194 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: nothing left to be done. Everything was okay, everything was 195 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: gonna be okay, and everything has always been okay. And 196 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: there was just this realization of just kind of like 197 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: like my conscious consciousness expanded to the point where it 198 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: almost felt as if like this experience is nothing but 199 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: a dream. So I'm in this state and I'm in 200 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: there for like seventeen minutes, and I'm going through just 201 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: like the gamut of emotions, just riding this wave, and 202 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: a lot of it is so incomprehensible because this place 203 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: that I was at. It was nothing like anything here, 204 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: because there was It's a non dual experience, meaning there's 205 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: not me and anything else, it's only me, but I'm 206 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: everything and nothing all at the same time. And it 207 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: was the most mind boggling thing. So as I'm starting 208 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: to come out of it, seventeen minutes later, I remember 209 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 3: this feeling of just like like my heart being ripped out, 210 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: and it felt as if like I was a little 211 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: kid and my mom just walked out the door, and 212 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: I'm crying and I'm screaming. I'm like, please don't go, 213 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: Please don't go. And then I wake up and I'm 214 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: looking at the sky and it's very pixelated and grainy, 215 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: almost as if like it's a TV, like it's some 216 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: kind of video game, and it's very pixelated and grainy, 217 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: and then it just all starts to come together very clear, 218 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: and at that moment I woke up and I just 219 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: started crying. And I cried because I didn't I couldn't 220 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: believe how complicated I made life. 221 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: Like everything you were striving for was almost both bs 222 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: or worthless, and this is what really, you know. I 223 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: had a similar spiritual breakthrough when I was twenty five 224 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: that didn't involve drugs, but was that physically mentally that 225 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: exact experience, And it was quick and just like that, 226 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 2: my life was changed. I was a different person. I 227 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: knew the truth about a lot of things that had 228 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 2: bothered been you know, bothering me and led to bad things. 229 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: And it was just like, oh, like the jolt of yeah, 230 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 2: oh this is how it really life is really yeah. 231 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 2: And I appreciate you sharing it at this level because 232 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 2: I knew you before and I know you now and 233 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: you're always a great guy. But it's such a marked 234 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: difference in one of my favorite people in this in 235 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: this game, in this industry, and you know, we always 236 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: talk about there sometimes not a lot of great people 237 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: in this game, and it was this industry. This man 238 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: is like blood in one of those I think that 239 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: is incredible that you walk that out next. 240 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: But what I'm curious about, like what it did in terms. 241 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: It sounds like it changed a lot of your perspective, 242 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: but did it change your actions? 243 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: Subsequently, it ended up changing my actions because you know, 244 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: you are what you think, and you know I think 245 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 3: in the same way, your actions will inevitably change. And 246 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 3: that's what happened to me, like things that didn't serve 247 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: me anymore just fell away as if like I never 248 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: did them before, I never had interest before. One was 249 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: was drinking alcohol. You know, I stopped drinking alcohol. Not 250 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 3: that I think alcohol is bad, but for me, it 251 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: led me to a place where I was doing a 252 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: lot of bad things in the cyclical behavior that kind 253 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: of led me in depression and everything else like that. 254 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: So I just stopped doing it. And it wasn't like 255 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna stop doing it. Like 256 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't stomach drinking alcohol no more, Like when I 257 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: drink alcohol, I'll take a sip and I'll violently throw up. 258 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: It was like my body said no more. And the 259 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: same thing was for for like you know, I used 260 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: to be. I used to be a ladies man in 261 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 3: a sense, I mean, for lack of better words, ladies man. 262 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: You know, I had I had a couple here and there. 263 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: I won't say anything to incriminate myself, you know, but 264 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: you know, you know I had some good times. But 265 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: once I had that experience, I could no longer do 266 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: that anymore. It was just to the point where I 267 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: was like it just it just fell away from I 268 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: just had no interest in anymore, and I had a 269 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: bunch of different things start to happen to me like 270 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: that even stop eating meat, and you. 271 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: Told me that it was It was literally like night 272 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: and day. And we always say you're in such incredible shape, 273 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: and you know you could. You look like you could 274 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: get back in there if you ever want to again, 275 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: and you recently did. Congratulations for that eagle f Sea Wind. 276 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: But like you could even stomach the idea of meat 277 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: ever again, right, just not even not even I never 278 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 2: craved it again, even when I smell it sometimes kind 279 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: of like you know, it doesn't it doesn't make me hungry, 280 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: you know how like you smell meat with something when 281 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: like that doesn't make me hungry. 282 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: Okay, But here's my question. Then, imagine you had done 283 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: that experience before the Ultimate Fighter, you would be there 284 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: shot Evans that we knew today. It sounds like it 285 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: sounds like I mean, I often wonder about this, like 286 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: how many guys get into fighting because they've just got 287 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: unresolved issues. Yeah, you know I would you wouldn't You 288 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't have fought, would you. 289 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have fought, you know, 290 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: And I came back to fighting Eagle FC because of 291 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: the fact that something happened to me once I did 292 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: the medicine that allowed me to compete again from a 293 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: place which I stopped competing from, and that was the 294 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: fun aspect there. I wasn't having any fun anymore. I 295 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: wasn't enjoying the process anymore. I wasn't enjoying the mental 296 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: games that I played with myself along the way to 297 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: make it to a fight, you know, like say, okay, 298 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: if I don't run, you know, ten times up the 299 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: street and then sprint five afterwards, then I'm not gonna 300 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: win his fights. And that's the kind of game that 301 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: I would play with myself. But it was just for fun, 302 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: you know. And I would think along the way, me 303 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: having my arms raised. I started doing that again. So 304 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: it made me enjoy the processes. 305 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: More and made me. 306 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: Understand that to be able to express myself like this 307 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: and to be able to have a chance to fight 308 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: is a gift. I started looking at everything as a gift, like, 309 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: oh man, I'm so lucky I get to do it. 310 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: So it made me want to fight in that aspect, 311 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: But I don't know if it would have been my 312 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: truest expression to fight because the fact that I've I've 313 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: got such a huge emotional block off me. You know, 314 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: when I was fighting, I had such a chip on 315 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: my shoulder. I had such a mindset where I was uncivilized. 316 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 3: You know, I had the uncivilized mindset. And you know, 317 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: they say it feels as if like I became a 318 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: little too civilized during my career towards the end. 319 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: I've seen that from certain fighters. I mean, you mentioned 320 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: the religious awakening, but I can't tell if it's a 321 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: chicken or an egg kind of thing. You see, fighters 322 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: get a little bitwards the end of their career, and 323 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: sometimes I've seen like they get a little bit more 324 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: religiously observant, whichever version of that they care for. And 325 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: I can't tell if they are they going to that 326 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: because they something has changed, or because in finding that 327 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: it not humbles them in a bad sense but actually 328 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: in the good sense. Yeah, I can never tell which situation. 329 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: But you often see towards the end people finding these 330 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: kinds of like meaningful connections to the world a little bit. 331 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it changes a lot of things. Like the way 332 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: I put it is the fact that like when I 333 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: was on top and I was doing my thing. Fighting 334 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: was the most important thing in my life, and then 335 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: life was just extra on the outside, but everything was 336 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: all about fighting. But then it got to the point 337 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: where once I got injured a couple of times, life 338 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: started taking precedent and then my training and my fighting 339 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: became something that I added on afterwards, so it became 340 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: more of an after effect. But when you're in a 341 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: game like fighting, you got to be married to it. 342 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: You got to be married to this game. That has 343 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: to be your wife, That has to be your mistress, 344 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 3: That has to be what you go to sleep thinking about. 345 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: You know, it has to be such a part out 346 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 3: of your fabric because you're going against guys and gals 347 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 3: who have that mindset. That mindset is they're so ambitious, 348 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: they're so hungry for it, and they think about those 349 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 3: things naturally. So if you're not thinking like that, then 350 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: you're gonna get passed up. I love when you break 351 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: down the mindset of the fighter. And just so you know, 352 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 3: that's actually these cameras aren't even on. 353 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: This is an intervention. We've got to I got the 354 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen V Tour needle ready. Okay, all right, we're 355 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 2: gonna turn this life around. 356 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: You know I could help, yeah, help. 357 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 2: Oh Rashad to get to that life change. In all, 358 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 2: you built a hell of a career. But I gotta 359 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: say in how people look at you now and talk 360 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 2: about you, you got this like uncle Rashad vibe. You're 361 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 2: like like a you know, if this was pro wrestling, 362 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: you're like one of the good guys. People are like, yeah, 363 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: that's shot. Like do you kind of like being that 364 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: combination of like, I don't know, to the UFC, they 365 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: must look at you as you know, hall of fame 366 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: or former champion, But you've always been charismatic. You've always 367 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: been bubbly fans like they love them Summershod and are 368 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: you happy with that sort of way people look at. 369 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: You know, I truly am and I never really knew 370 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: how I was going to be taken by the fans, 371 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 3: especially from the way I started. You know, remember Rampage 372 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: Boo that. 373 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: Man and everybody was boo like crazy, But I was 374 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: Matthews getting mad at you for show voting on the own. 375 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 376 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: I was booed for the longest time and people hated 377 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: me for the longest time. But it's good to see 378 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: that that turnaround. It's good to feel that appreciation. It's 379 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 3: good to get your flowers. And when I became Hall 380 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 3: of Fame, that's something I didn't expect to hit me 381 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: right here, right it It hit me in the heart 382 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 3: where I didn't feel that or I didn't think that 383 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: it would prior, and it was all about just everybody 384 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: just let me know how much they appreciated me. And 385 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: it really made me feel as if, no matter how 386 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: bad I feel things got in my mind in my career, 387 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: I never left their hearts. They still had love for men, 388 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: and it really made it worth it in another level 389 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 3: for myself. 390 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: You know, I can believe it when you look back 391 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: at your I guess your career in general, certainly your 392 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: UFC run. Let's talk about the good stuff, right like 393 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: what Okay, one of the title probably means the most, 394 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: but I'm guess I'm wondering, like, is there something other 395 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: than that that sends out to you as a moment 396 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: that you're like really proud of or just just felt 397 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: so good? 398 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: You know? It's the title was one thing, but it 399 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: was it was beating Chuck Ladell, you know, and and 400 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 3: not even so much for the knockout, but it was 401 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: just me overcoming myself. That was the first time that 402 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: I've overcame myself to the point where I quieted that 403 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: voice in my mind that brought the doubts to the table, 404 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 3: that was super afraid and kind of like, you know, 405 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: like I could be like that. Sometimes I wouldn't even eat. 406 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 3: I'll be so nervous that I wouldn't even eat. Greg Jackson, 407 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: I'm Mike Winkle Johnny like, dude, you got to eat 408 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: something before you go down and fight. And I'm like, 409 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: I'm just not hungry. You know, there was a thing 410 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: about they would have to make me eat a little 411 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 3: bit every hour because I wouldn't eat anything. I was 412 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: famous for that, so I would let my nerves get 413 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 3: the best of me. But for that fight, it just 414 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: came together. And you know that was the Randy Couture 415 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: talk when he gave me to talk like, yo, you 416 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 3: gotta just accept the worst outcome. You got to make 417 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: friends this. Yeah. Before the night before I fought Chucked 418 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: down in Atlanta, I was so nervous, and I pushed 419 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: nerves away. But then it got to me at ways. 420 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 3: I'm looking in his eyes and Chuck was looking crazy 421 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: as hell. So I'm like, oh, my god, he's gonna 422 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 3: kill me tomorrow. What did I get myself into? Right? 423 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: And uh, it's started to occur to me why everybody 424 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: was giving me that look every single time I got 425 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: you know, I told him how to fight chuckle there, 426 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 3: like okay, good luck. 427 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: You know. 428 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: I was starting to feel that feeling. So I had 429 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 3: got so nervous to the point where I hit up 430 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: Randy Cotour and he happened to be one floor below me, 431 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: and I went to his room and I'm like, Randy, 432 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 3: I'm I'm scared and I'm scared and I'm flailing the 433 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: boatle on this bed, and Randy's just cool and calm 434 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: as ever. He's like laughing a little bit, and he's like, 435 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: all right, you know, the problem is you just got 436 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 3: to make friends of the worst outcome, you know. And 437 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 3: I was in the locker room, dressingroom Randy Couture when 438 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: he got separated from consciousness with Chuck Ldale. So I'm 439 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: kind of like, yo, he knocked out my guy, you know. 440 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 3: So I'm I was a little nervous, but when he 441 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: told me that just free myself and let me, you know, 442 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: make friends the worst I'll come that night, I stayed 443 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: in the mirror. I was in the mirror. I was 444 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: like just cussing myself out, like I don't give a fuck. 445 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck, And I was not not 446 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: afraid of anything, just like saying it over and over 447 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 3: to myself too. I started to believe it. And then 448 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 3: when I went out there the next day to fight, 449 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 3: I was so hyped up that I forgot my jockstrap. 450 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 3: No worries, No worries. I had a teammate in the 451 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 3: card Nate Markcourt, he just fought two fights before, and 452 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 3: I wore his wet jockstrap out there. 453 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 2: So wet nasty. Wait, is it the same sign? I mean, 454 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how this was tight. It was. I 455 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: heard what Chobbs said about him. I've heard that. 456 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 3: I've heard that. 457 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: Heard it. 458 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: Okay, you heard him say that, dude, didn't you. 459 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard I've heard it. I've heard it. But yeah, 460 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: I wore that dirty jockstrap. And that was part of 461 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: the process too, because that's another thing. It's about letting go. 462 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: And I figured out like whenever I competed at my best, 463 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 3: it was one else able to let go the most. Yeah, 464 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 3: And that's a life lesson. 465 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: It's you know, it's hard to maintain at that level, 466 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: but god, you maintained it that night. I almost think 467 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: that's in a weird way, like, I mean, that's your 468 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: best win. I mean, I know you won the championship 469 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: in the next fight, you won the Ultimate Fighter. Like 470 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: You've done a lot of good stuff. You did a 471 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: million pay per view buys with Rampage. I mean, you 472 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: thought John Jones and heard him late and we'll get 473 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: to that, But that night it may have just been 474 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: where you were the best version you ever could have been, 475 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 2: but you like violently knocked out the baddest man we 476 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 2: have ever seen in the history of the sport. And 477 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: I'll never forget that sound. Dude, you remember watching that one? 478 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: You never watched it. I've had buddies of mine who 479 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: went to that show. They drove from DC to Atlanta, 480 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: and they wanted me to go. I couldn't also have 481 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: to work, and uh, and I remember they were big 482 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Chuck Ladell fans, and uh, I had, for what it's worth, 483 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Wishad's gonna win this one. I 484 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: had no, man, no, but I did not know it 485 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: was going to go the way that it actually went 486 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: where you just here's what I'll never forget, and I 487 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: want to get your impression bout this. I remember after 488 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: you hit him the thing that stuck out to me 489 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: the most, and you don't actually see it that much 490 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: these days, but I'll never forget you hit him with 491 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: that shot. He goes face down and you could have 492 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: heard except for your I think it was your wife 493 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: at the time, you could have heard a fucking pin drop. 494 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Atlanta was. They could not believe what they 495 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: were looking at. And even I was like and then 496 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: and then I remember this shot. I don't think I 497 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: remember this the old red fox. And I was like, wow, 498 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: because it took you a second, right, you didn't celebrate 499 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: right right away. It was like, were like, yeah, you know, 500 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: it took you a second. 501 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: No, I wanted so I hit him, and I wanted 502 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 3: to go over and check and check on him, but 503 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 3: because of the state he was in, they wanted to 504 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: keep the cameras away. So when they were like I 505 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 3: went over to him, they pushed me away like no, no, 506 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: no go, So they had the cameras on me. So 507 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: I was like, that's why I did this. First, I 508 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: was like, I don't know what to do, and I 509 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: was like, I can't believe it. 510 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: You know, have you ever run into Chuck Ladell like 511 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: years later been like sorry about that. 512 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: By the way, me and Chuck Ladell are actually good friends. Man. 513 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: I've hung out with Chuck many times and we've We've 514 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: had many great parties and many great party experiences together. 515 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 3: Chuck is probably one of the best guys in the sport. 516 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 3: You know, He's a great guy, a great friend of mine. 517 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 3: And I kind of feel bad though, you know, I 518 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: kind of feel bad, like I don't like talking about 519 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 3: like somebody see us together and they're like, oh man, 520 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: when you fought Chuck and tucks right next to him, was. 521 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's a little weird. 522 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: Well, he had already been knocked out by Rampage, but 523 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: he was still that dude in that fight, and I 524 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 2: think you took a lot of what was left, you 525 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I know it still it 526 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: didn't even be. 527 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: Violent that also, like, yeah, like Rampage knocked him out, 528 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: but it wasn't the way that he knocked him out. 529 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 2: So so we know what that did to sort of 530 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: slide what he had built. But did you like how quickly. 531 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: Did you realize that that was going to be like 532 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: for your career changing, like like life changing moment. Yeah, 533 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 2: like that that lockout came just as the sport was 534 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: peeking through on Sports Illustrated cover, like largely because of 535 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: Chuck and then Rampage, but it's like that was still 536 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 2: a large moment in the building of the brand at 537 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 2: the same time, Like did you know instantly, like, oh, 538 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: it's never going to be the same Now. 539 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: I knew it wasn't going to be the same the 540 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: minute I walked out the tunnel. The song I came 541 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: out to was called Immortal was a mortal technique pointed 542 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 3: no return, and in that song he says, the place 543 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: that I'm from doesn't exist anymore. And I knew, no 544 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 3: matter what happened at night, my life would never be 545 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 3: the same, either be the guy who beat Chucklerdale or 546 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 3: the guy who got milliated by Chuck Ladell. But I 547 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: was never going to be the guy who was before 548 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: I walked out. I was never gonna be that guy again. 549 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: So that was another thing for me to say, I 550 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 3: gotta let go, and it was all about I'm letting 551 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 3: go whatever happens happened, and there's something so beautiful and 552 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: so peaceful about truly letting go its. Someone says, if 553 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: like I would visualize myself just like just doing a 554 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 3: back dive, just falling off a cliff and just allowing 555 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: myself to just whatever happens happens, I will mentally visualize 556 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: myself doing that over and over again, to just like 557 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: just let go and let let it happen. 558 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: And did they give you a paper bag bonus in 559 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: the back too? 560 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: It was like, oh, back in the yeah. Yeah. So 561 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: the next morning, see, they used to take care of 562 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 3: us back in the day. Back in the day, man, 563 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 3: they'll come through with these backroom bonuses that I used 564 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: to get. They came in cut me a check for 565 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 3: three hundred and seventy five K at breakfast the next day, 566 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 3: and I feel like, God, I never seen that kind 567 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: of money before. And the crazy part about it was 568 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: before that fight happened, I took a new contract signing 569 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: and I didn't want to sign it and I was like, 570 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 3: I don't want to sign this. I think I'm worth more, 571 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: and they said listen, because I was supposed to fight 572 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 3: him in London, but it didn't happen. Because we didn't 573 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: work out a deal. So they said, just sign a 574 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 3: contract and if you win this fight, we'll make it right. 575 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 3: So I'm like, all right, we'll see you now after 576 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: I want to fight. I was like, are they going 577 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: to make it right? And you know what, they damn 578 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: sure did make it right. Damn right. They kept their word. 579 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: Man, that obviously was like a life changing moment financially 580 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: star wise. Do you look back now? I mean you 581 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: had to have blown a certain amount of that check on, Like, 582 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: what would we do if we got super famous and 583 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: rich tomorrow? We'd buy something really stupid that we would 584 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: regret instantly. 585 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: Right, Delta. 586 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 2: It's well, you know they always say, like if you 587 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: own a boat, the best day of bone ownership is 588 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,239 Speaker 2: the day you buy it the day you sell it. 589 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 2: What did you buy looking back there? 590 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: Like I bought a house I bought Yeah, I bought 591 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 3: a house man in Illinois, and I didn't I didn't 592 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 3: go crazy with it, just uh, you know, just bought 593 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: a house with it. 594 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: Did you make the kind of money you want to make? 595 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is everyone always wants 596 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: to make more? But were you satisfied in the end that, like, hey, 597 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: I made X amount in a fighting career at this 598 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: time in the sport because obviously now it's a little 599 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: bit different. 600 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've made I made a great amount of money, 601 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 3: you know, considering the time that it was. You know, 602 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 3: there's you know, I've you know, they've they've written me 603 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 3: checks for you know, after the Rampage fight for like, 604 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: you know, like one point five million on top of 605 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: what I was already getting paid. You know, So they 606 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: they looked out. Man, they they've always and that's the thing, Like, 607 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 3: there's this thing with the UFC where you know, they're 608 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: known for not paying their fighters and stuff, but they 609 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: went above and beyond for me at the time when 610 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: they they really didn't have to, you know, because the 611 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: contract was a contract. But they always looked out and 612 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: gave me more. 613 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: I definitely feel like there are guys that they take 614 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: care of. Right, you have to be in that inner circle. 615 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you got to be part of the family 616 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: lives and you gotta be part of the family. Come on, 617 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 3: what are you doing? 618 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: Did the money make you feel like you were part 619 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: of the inner circle? Like from UFC? Was it the 620 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: way that they paid you? Like great knock out here 621 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: a fat check. 622 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: It's it's it's the back room bonuses. But it's just 623 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 3: the way the way that they treat me. You know, 624 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 3: they always include me. They you know, they've always uh 625 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: made me part of the team. You know, Lorenzo Fertita 626 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 3: is the one who bought me my first expensive suits 627 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: at tom Ford. He went and bought like five and 628 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: you know, and you know he came and picked me 629 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: up and we had a great day together. And you know, 630 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: he showed me what to get his style and what 631 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 3: I should wear. And he didn't have to do that, 632 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 3: but what it was, you know, they looked out all right. 633 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: All right, Now, look not the first champion, but is 634 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: he the first African American star in UFC? 635 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: Because because people. 636 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: Forget that, like you did, WILLI pay per view buys? 637 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 2: You had a few pay per views in a row 638 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: where that were like you need the title with Rampage, 639 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: I mean you had someone. 640 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: How you feel about that because there were some interesting 641 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: names before. Maybe they were not in your level, but 642 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: there were something like real pioneers. I honestly count Shoony 643 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: Carter a little bit in that role. Obviously, Eugene Jackson 644 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: was in that role. Kevin Jackson you know, there were 645 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: some other figures. Obviously, Rampage was around Kevin Kevin Randlman 646 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: and who can forget the monster Kevin Randlman. But still 647 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: you feel like, do you feel like you play a 648 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: pretty big role because here's the thing, dude, we go 649 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: to boxing fights and there's like the only white people 650 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: there are us, and then we go to MMA fight 651 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: and it's like the only black people there are like 652 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: the fighters. Yeah, I'm exaggerating in either direction. 653 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 3: But you know, no, I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah, 654 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 3: I feel like I definitely was one of the pioneer 655 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: uh you know, black athletes. But I felt as if 656 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: like my success and when I was able to bring 657 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: to the table was piggybacked off of the work that 658 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 3: each and every single one of those fighters did you know, 659 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 3: they kept, you know, kind of helping paved the way out. 660 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 3: Was close with Shony and those guys all the way 661 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: up until you know, for my whole my whole career, 662 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 3: and they would, you know, kind of give me, give 663 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: me the lessons, you know, because there are some taxes 664 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 3: that you got to pay. You know, there's some tax 665 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 3: that you got to pay. And people would say some 666 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: crazy stuff to me, like you know, the N word, 667 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: and you know they would they would email me to no, no, 668 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 3: not not in person. Not in person. They are like 669 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 3: you know, on social media, on social media, they're just 670 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: you know, cursed me out and you know, say the 671 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: most vile things ever. But it's all, it's all part 672 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: of it. And I always I always wanted to be 673 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 3: looked at as a fighter and not a black fighter. Yeah, 674 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 3: you know, not saying that I didn't value being black. 675 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: I didn't value my impact, but I knew that I 676 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: was more than just being a black fighter. You know, 677 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 3: I was more. I wasn't good just because I was athletic. 678 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 3: I'm saying, like I know a lot of times that 679 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 3: you know, you listen to the commentary back in the day, 680 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 3: they're like, oh, you know, he's athletic, and it's the explosive. Yeah, 681 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: it's it's these terms that we use for black athletes 682 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 3: and white athletes that are kind of you know, uh, 683 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 3: racially coloring without even even doing it. But it's just 684 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 3: a societal thing, you know. And you know, now I 685 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 3: feel like we've grown enough in a sport where it's 686 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 3: beyond that fighters are looked at for their skill level. 687 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 3: And you know, if they're athletic, they're athletic, you know, 688 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 3: but they're not. They're not only good because they're black 689 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: because they're athletics. 690 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: Right. Fair enough, When you look back on your career 691 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: and you look at the move from Jackson's to South Florida, basically, 692 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 1: could you, in your own words, put into context just 693 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: how how much did your life change by virtue of that. 694 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: It was it was the biggest change in my life. 695 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 3: And I'll say that because you know, I was going 696 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 3: through a divorce at the time. 697 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: With during the move. 698 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 3: From the move, yes, it was like I broke up 699 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: with the jackson team and then my best friend who 700 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: was my wife, we were we were split up, and 701 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: I was just like in this place of like Jones, Yeah, 702 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: with John Jones, you know, And it was it was 703 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 3: it was a very very tough time my life. So 704 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 3: that transition was a very it was a very tough transition. 705 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: And I didn't I don't feel like looking back, like 706 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: I gave myself enough time to to feel, you know, 707 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 3: and it was something that for me, I didn't feel 708 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 3: the effects of that so viscerally until I had time 709 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 3: when I hurt my knee and then life caught up 710 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 3: to me, you know, all the things that I just 711 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: kind of stayed busy to forget, now when started to 712 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 3: catch up to me. And then that's when, you know, 713 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 3: things started to become remarkably harder in my life. And 714 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 3: then to turn and fighting. 715 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: Still though, to move to South Florida, I feel like, 716 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, it was an interesting pivot at the time. 717 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: What do you think your what do you think the 718 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: legacy of your move down here has been? 719 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 3: You know, with my legacy, you know, I've I've created 720 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 3: such a great thing here with with these athletes. You know, 721 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 3: I've I've I've given birth to a lot of people's careers. 722 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: You know. 723 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 3: You know, you can go down the list of the 724 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: fighters who are in that Black zillion tamp you know 725 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: you had, you know, Tyrone Spung, Anthony Johnson, Michael Johnson, 726 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 3: Kamaro Oussman, you know, Vi Tour Belfer alistair Overhilbert Gilbert Burns. 727 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 3: It was meathead, meathead, it was. There's so many, There's 728 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 3: so many. I'm forgetting you Rumbo. Yeah. Uh, Mario Sperry. 729 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 3: You know we've had Kenny Monday, We've had so many, 730 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: Mike rand ires. We have so many, so many great 731 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 3: coaches and athletes that came. Henry Hoof got his birth there, 732 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 3: came with Tyrone's ended up now being coach of the Year. 733 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: Now he's runs one of the best camps in a world. 734 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 3: And all that came because I decided to move in 735 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 3: Florida and I came here with the intent to just say, 736 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm done with super camps. I don't 737 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 3: even want a super camp. Don't talk to me about 738 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 3: a super camp, and I end up making a. 739 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 2: Serior You built another one still, I mean, look, seriously, 740 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 2: what does it mean? Because the build up to Kamara 741 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 2: Usman's third fight with Leon Edwards, where he didn't do 742 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 2: a lot of media, but then talked ahead of the fight. 743 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 2: You know, he said, I'm built for this to come 744 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 2: back and win back my title. He didn't get he 745 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 2: didn't do it close fight, but he said because I 746 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 2: watched closely the people that I was able to have 747 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 2: as mentors, and he was like he brought it up 748 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 2: right away. He's like rashadav I got to sit in 749 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 2: that learning tree and learn from him. You get that 750 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 2: as sort of the uncle. Now, I've ever made a 751 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: lot like when you hear a champions say that and 752 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 2: give back like that, that's going to make you feel like, man, 753 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: I added something there, you know, man. 754 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: And honestly, it makes me emotional and I and I 755 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 3: get excited when I see these guys do well because 756 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 3: it feels like a piece of me gets to go on, 757 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 3: you know, like I never thought that investment in them 758 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 3: would was really investment in me, you know, Like I 759 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 3: invested in them because I really wanted them to to 760 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 3: have a chance and get a hand in the sport 761 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 3: that you know, I didn't get, you know, and I 762 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 3: wanted them to really to live this life and to 763 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 3: get a chance to do it and uplift their life. 764 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 3: And they're doing it. You know, there are some people 765 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 3: that I tried to help and I wasn't able to 766 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 3: do it, and you can't. You can't save them all. 767 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: But the ones that you can, the ones that you 768 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 3: the ones that I've been able to help it it 769 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 3: makes me happy. So when I see Tomorrow out there 770 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 3: doing this thing, it made me so happy. And then 771 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 3: to see him lose it was it was kind of 772 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 3: you know, it was very sad for me in respect 773 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 3: that you know, he was such a product of what 774 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 3: it was that you know I built. You know, he 775 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 3: was part of the gym, but he also lived with 776 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 3: me for about five years, for five years. Yeah, he 777 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 3: lived me for five years, man, and it was you know, 778 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 3: he was he was my brother. You know, he would 779 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 3: you know, I gave him a car even you know, 780 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 3: leased the car so he'll have a car to drive, 781 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 3: and make sure he had everything he needed so he 782 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 3: can just have tunnel vision and focus. And you know, 783 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 3: to see him go out there and achieve it really 784 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 3: meant that that work wasn't for nothing. And then you 785 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 3: have the Glenn Robinson aspect of it, who was the 786 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: managers yep rest in peace who passed away, and you 787 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 3: know he was another one who did everything he can 788 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 3: to for these fighters and for kamaro Ousman. So to 789 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: see that, to see him lose was kind of like, man, 790 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 3: this this area is ending, you know, all. 791 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 2: Right, So that's the great stories and the good news 792 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 2: when camps go. Well, when you asked him the question 793 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 2: about the move, the move led to a lot of 794 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: craziness and you and John Jones having one of the 795 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: most memorable beefs in a build to a fight in 796 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 2: the history of the UFC ex teammates turned on each 797 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 2: other and a student versus mentor all that that also 798 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 2: was a lot of trauma in your personal life. It 799 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 2: also led to this giant pay per view fight. Do 800 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 2: you look back on that and go, you know, it 801 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 2: wasn't the healthiest way, but they had to go that way, 802 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 2: and I'm happy I was a part of it. Or 803 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 2: You're like, man, we never had to break up. I 804 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 2: never had to leave that gym. 805 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 3: You know, I'm a big believer in the fact that 806 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 3: you know, no regrets in life, even when you do 807 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 3: have someone right, you. 808 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: Got to you gotta Jesus. All I have is regrets. 809 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 3: But I mean it's like, you know, you just I 810 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 3: just look at the fact that you know, I'm very 811 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 3: happy at where I am. You know, I'm very happy 812 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 3: with my life. I'm very happy with, you know, who 813 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 3: I am as a person. And I couldn't have had 814 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 3: that if I didn't have all those other things. And 815 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 3: you know, I wish a part of me I could 816 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 3: have stayed connected with John and able to train alongside 817 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 3: with him, because I would say this, I loved training 818 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 3: with John Jones because it was a challenge for one, 819 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 3: but for two, he was. He was a fun person 820 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: to be around, like like he like after training, we 821 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,959 Speaker 3: would you know, We're fucking around for like an hour, 822 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 3: just playing around, doing different moves and you know, trying 823 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 3: to catch me with this and perfect and all that 824 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 3: stuff that you see him do. And it was just 825 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 3: play And you know, I would love to see where 826 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 3: that relationship could have went. But at the same time, 827 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 3: what I've you know, what I've been able to do 828 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 3: outside of that, For me, I can't. I can't forego that, 829 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 3: you know, for me, that that was that was what 830 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 3: this was probably all about. 831 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: Me. Let me ask if I can about John Jones 832 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: just a little bit, which is and I want to 833 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: be very clear here, I am not in any way 834 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: asking you to bash him or insult him. That's not 835 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: what I'm about to do. But I am going to 836 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: say this. He obviously looked amazing against Cyril Gone, right, 837 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: like we just ran over the guy. But like you know, 838 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, so between the Rays fight and then 839 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: the Gone fight, he got arrested twice. Once or he 840 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: was drunk in his car firing guns off and in 841 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: downtown Albuquerque that was abandoned due to pandemic or whatever. 842 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: And then later he had the issue with you know, 843 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: whatever happened with his wife, and then we saw him 844 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: headbutting in the car. It's like, I don't know, man, Like, 845 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: do you think he's past his old troubles? And I 846 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: certainly hope that he is for his sake and his 847 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 1: children's sake and everybody else's sake. Like the best outcome 848 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: for everyone is a happy and healthy John Jones. And 849 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: I truly mean that. But I don't know if that's 850 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: the one we got, man, I don't know what you 851 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: read it. 852 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 3: It's too early to tell. And I say that because 853 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 3: you know, success and things like that kind of brings 854 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 3: up the worst in him at times, right, So it's 855 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 3: too early to tell. But from from when I seen 856 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 3: him the last fight, it was it was almost as 857 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 3: if like he was a different person in so many respects. 858 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 3: The fact that like I'd never seen John Jones get 859 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 3: his flowers like that from the crowd, from just you know, 860 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 3: everyone there. They gave him as flowers. They really gave 861 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 3: him his flowers. They really, you know, pour love into him, 862 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 3: and he responded. 863 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 2: He seemed joyful. 864 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 3: He seemed very joyful at every turn, very thankful, And 865 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 3: it seems as if like he wants to be that 866 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 3: guy and him being considered the greatest of all time. 867 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 3: Not only does it come with the title, but it 868 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 3: also comes with expectations. And I feel if he's ready 869 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 3: to be the greatest of all time, maybe he's ready 870 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 3: to act like the greatest of all time and have 871 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 3: his action start to match that title. So hopefully, hopefully, 872 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 3: and I pray that that he does find his way, 873 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 3: because there was times where I will wake up from 874 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 3: a dream. I don't know why, but I would. I 875 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 3: would sometimes he would come in my dream sometimes and 876 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 3: he would be doing some crazy shit and then I'll 877 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 3: like hit up his manager, malcl I'm like, hey, is 878 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 3: John all right? 879 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 1: Man? 880 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 3: I had this crazy dream about him, Like, I don't know, 881 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 3: I'll check on him, you know, but you know, I 882 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 3: just want him to do well. Man. 883 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 2: I'm glad you guys. You know I have talk again. 884 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 2: And you guys every buil year of friendship from everything 885 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 2: that went on that led to that fight. But I'm 886 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 2: over shot, super fan, And people don't know when you 887 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 2: fought John Jones and Alana, Yeah you didn't get finished 888 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 2: by John. You went the distance. You heard him late. 889 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 2: There was a moment there was at the end of 890 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 2: run four, I believe, can you just remind people of 891 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 2: what happened there? 892 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 3: Well, I caught him with a nice overhand punch and 893 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 3: that rocked him like he was he was on ice. 894 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 3: But I kind of played around a little bit, got 895 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 3: too cute and he was able to recover. And then 896 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 3: I caught him with a right headkick and I didn't 897 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 3: expect to land it, but he was putting so much 898 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 3: pressure on just do that shit, and it caught him 899 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,479 Speaker 3: and he was like he was on ice, even worse 900 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 3: than he was before. So I got too cute again 901 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 3: and I let him off the hook. But he felt me. 902 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 3: He felt me in those moments, and it was you know, 903 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't win to battle, you know, and 904 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 3: things like that, but I felt as if like I 905 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 3: gave him something to think about. And by any means, 906 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 3: it wasn't what I wanted to do. But sometimes you 907 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 3: got it. When you get your ass, you gotta pull. 908 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: I will tell you know what. You know when I 909 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: thought the fight turned against you was when he grabbed 910 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 1: your hands and then came over with the elbow. I 911 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: noticed your reaction after that was different than any other 912 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: reaction that. 913 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,240 Speaker 3: Listen, I can count the times where I actually felt 914 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 3: pain in a fight, and that was one of them. 915 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 3: That was one of them. 916 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: I was like, remember he had a few fights before 917 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: crushed Brandon Vera's face with the same elbow. 918 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:34,720 Speaker 2: Elbow. 919 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, he came over top and he caught me with 920 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 3: the elbow, and it's almost like I pulled myself into 921 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 3: it because I'm pushing against his hand, pushing his mind, 922 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 3: and then he just pulled his hands away and I 923 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 3: fall right into it and then boom, he catches me 924 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 3: with that elbow, and I remember feeling like fuck, did 925 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 3: herb just hit me? Like did somebody just throw something 926 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 3: in this cage and hit me now? Because I'm like 927 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 3: I can't see anything right now, and I was dazed 928 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 3: and I was dizzy, but I was like, man, what 929 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 3: was that? It took me a while to figure out, 930 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 3: like even what was it? 931 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 2: He really really that? But just and you when we 932 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 2: talk about like the big moments that didn't go right, 933 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 2: and I like that we can laugh about a couple 934 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 2: of losses you had at the end. But you know, 935 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 2: you heard John, it almost happened. Do you still think 936 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 2: about the macheta fight. I mean, yeah, I'll still mean 937 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 2: you in a cruel way, which I don't appreciate with. 938 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 3: The eyeball. 939 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 2: Welcome to the macheta era, the competitor, and you still 940 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 2: go like damn. 941 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: Yeah in fairness that blew up in Joe Rogan's face too, right, 942 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: because like the era. 943 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 3: And there, yeah exactly, you know that fight does bother 944 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,479 Speaker 3: me a bit. And it bothers me because I felt like, 945 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 3: like I know, like sometimes you go on a cage 946 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 3: to somebody, he's just like, okay, that person is better 947 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 3: than me, like he was better than me, you know. 948 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 3: But I felt as if like I could have beat 949 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 3: I could have beat that guy. And and he what 950 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,760 Speaker 3: what Machiita did early is that he rattled me early. 951 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 3: He's so smart. He's such a smart and I just 952 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 3: didn't anticipate what he was gonna do. He threw a 953 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 3: head kick as hard as he can, knowing I was 954 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 3: gonna block it. But I felt it. 955 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 2: I felt it. 956 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 3: Even though I blocked it. I felt it, and my 957 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 3: thinking was like, holy shit, if he hits me with 958 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 3: that kick, I am cooked. So after that it made 959 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 3: me like kind of rush my technique and kind of 960 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 3: get out of my rhythm and get out of my time, 961 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 3: and and after that, I was but he changes speeds 962 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,720 Speaker 3: to change his speeds. Yeah, he was a clever cless. 963 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: So he's like light touch, light touch, light touch touch. Yeah. 964 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 3: It was. It was bad. And the thing was like, 965 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 3: I remember that fight. Outside of the kick, he like 966 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 3: tripped me down and I fell down and I got 967 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 3: up and I'm like, what's going on this dude? Not 968 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 3: understand it. I'm the champion going there. So I was 969 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 3: kind of embarrassed in first round, and then second round 970 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna put I'm gonna put some 971 00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 3: heat on his ass, and then that's when I got caught. 972 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 2: Well, you were part of that incredible run of light 973 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 2: heavyweight legends that all traded the belt to each other 974 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 2: and then John came in and took over. But I 975 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 2: mean your resume, it holds up your pay per view 976 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 2: star at times. 977 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: You beat Dan Hando, the highest rated season, the Ultimate 978 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: Fighter ever. 979 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 2: You beat Tito Ortiz. People forget man, You beat Keith 980 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 2: Jardine and the Ultimate Fighter Man that fight was. 981 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: It didn't just beat do Ortiz. You uh, correct me 982 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. You had the draw the first time Yeah, 983 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: and then you beat the fuck out of him the 984 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: second second time. 985 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, but how much do you lament twenty thirteen when 986 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 2: you beat Jail before the knee injury, it did look 987 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 2: like there was one more big run. 988 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: And that your Zeke too. Also, I remember you. Bernard 989 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: Hopkins had done sit down with you or like was 990 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: giving you some pointers, and I was looking at SHOT's Physike. 991 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, my man's been in the 992 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: weight room. 993 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, the high abs, not just the regular one as 994 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 3: I had, like the eight pack, maybe almost a ten pack. 995 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 3: But that was Mike grand Mike Grandardzio the man then 996 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 3: me up. He really built me up. And it was 997 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 3: that stretch that I've was off because I was waiting 998 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 3: to fight Showgun. 999 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: Which Dana said not to do. 1000 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 3: I remember that vividly told me not to wait, and 1001 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 3: I was waiting and waiting. But all the time I 1002 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 3: was waiting, I was just lifting weights. And I never 1003 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 3: really committed myself to a weight program before then, so 1004 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 3: my body started to change and I kind of kept 1005 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 3: with it. But in twenty thirteen, after I kind of 1006 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,879 Speaker 3: started to get my rhythm back, you know, I had 1007 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 3: that stinker fight against Nogara, and then I beat HNDO 1008 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 3: and then I beat Chail. But I was picking up rhythm. 1009 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 3: I was training with Mark Henry. I was starting to 1010 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 3: understand the game war. I started to become more of 1011 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 3: a student of the game and really started to like 1012 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,319 Speaker 3: feel myself. You know, I was strong. I was like 1013 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 3: one of the top guys in a weight class and 1014 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 3: I felt like it. And when that knee injury happened, 1015 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,839 Speaker 3: I was gonna whoop DC's ass. DC. 1016 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 2: I was gonna that was the fight that was next. 1017 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 2: Do you remember, Yeah, I was going to fight DC. 1018 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 3: I was training training camp for DC, and I was 1019 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 3: in the best shape ever, man. I was in the 1020 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,919 Speaker 3: best shape. I felt the best I ever felt, and 1021 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 3: I was going with Caesar. Caesar fed Mutan and uh, 1022 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 3: you know, he's big as a house man, and he 1023 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,920 Speaker 3: went down on my knee last. It was like the 1024 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 3: last drill of my camp and I blew itable. 1025 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 2: What do you make of because you, I mean, you 1026 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 2: won such an early Ultimate Fighter season. You were a 1027 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 2: champion just as things are really picking up, and then 1028 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 2: you stayed, you know, a high level fighter in a 1029 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 2: big name for a long time. Now you're a broadcaster. 1030 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,840 Speaker 2: How much has this game, specifically in the UFC changed, 1031 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 2: Like what blows you away when you see it now, 1032 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,879 Speaker 2: whether it's ESPN deal or any elements of the fight 1033 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,839 Speaker 2: game that you're like, man, people don't know about two 1034 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 2: thousand and five and six, you. 1035 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,240 Speaker 3: Know, Man, well, I'm blown away by the fighter's evolution 1036 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,799 Speaker 3: first and foremost. It's crazy, you know, you see it 1037 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 3: with the guys, But I'm more at awe at the 1038 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,760 Speaker 3: women's evolution, the woman's evolution in the sport game. It's 1039 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 3: it's ridiculous to me because it didn't seem like that 1040 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 3: long ago where they just weren't that good, like they were, 1041 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 3: you know, not. 1042 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: Really twenty thirteen. Even back then women were fighting catchweight fights. 1043 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, you. 1044 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,800 Speaker 1: Know it's like one seventy five for whatever reason. And 1045 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: now to your point, like through the wrestling has gotten 1046 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 1: we did. We had an interview with Aaron Blanchfield, like 1047 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,479 Speaker 1: you just that she didn't exist ten years ago period, right. 1048 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,879 Speaker 3: I mean you're watching their skill level as far as 1049 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 3: their hands, they're not striking, like you don't look at 1050 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 3: them like, wow, she's she's a woman, Like she's like 1051 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,000 Speaker 3: she's a fighter. You know, you look at them like 1052 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,760 Speaker 3: they're on par a lot of times with the guys 1053 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 3: and some of their techniques. So that was one evolution 1054 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 3: that I liked. But you know, one thing that I'm 1055 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 3: just kind of at awe and I get surprised at 1056 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 3: every single time I go somewhere is just the popularity 1057 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 3: of the sport. It is just blown me away. Because 1058 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 3: when I was in the game, I had to like 1059 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 3: tell people what I would do and they look at 1060 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 3: me like what was that? You know, they look at me. 1061 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,919 Speaker 3: You know, when I told my mom I was gonna 1062 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,800 Speaker 3: be an MMA fighter, she said, shot your ass to 1063 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,919 Speaker 3: end up in jail for shot And I'm like, Mom, 1064 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 3: it's legal now, it's legal, Like it's not get. 1065 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: Paid to do this. 1066 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 3: But I mean, it came comes such a long way 1067 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 3: that you know, the popularity has blown me away. And 1068 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 3: you know, I don't even know what to make of 1069 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,880 Speaker 3: this whole like partnership with the WWE. Where is it 1070 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 3: going to go to next? 1071 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: Twenty one billion dollars between the two of them? Twenty 1072 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: one Can you imagine twenty one billion? It's hard to 1073 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: even fathom what that is. 1074 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 3: But I'm more than a lot of countries. 1075 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 1: I want to go back a little bit if I can, 1076 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,480 Speaker 1: because I guess I've never had clarity on this one, 1077 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: so maybe you can finally help me in terms of 1078 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,880 Speaker 1: your participation. What were the happiest days at Jackson MMA. 1079 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 3: The happiest days was when I first got the Jackson's 1080 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 3: gym years and it was two thousand and five and 1081 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,839 Speaker 3: I was going down there after the Ultimate Fighter Show. 1082 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,839 Speaker 3: Because on the show, even though I falk Keith Sardine, 1083 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,319 Speaker 3: he was my coach. He was on my team and 1084 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 3: he'll show me all the technique I didn't really know. 1085 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 3: And because I came from a really small club in 1086 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 3: Lance in Michigan where I had this one guy who 1087 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 3: would train me. He was like my age. We watched videos. 1088 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 3: I watched my respirator videos to learn jiu jitsu, so 1089 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 3: he would teach me everything and afterwards that come to 1090 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,759 Speaker 3: Jackson's Gym and we would go on like the most amazing, 1091 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 3: epic training journeys. Like Greg Jackson has got to be 1092 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 3: one of the sickest trainers in the world. Like his 1093 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 3: mentality was unbelievad like you're you're in a battlefield, you 1094 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 3: were at war. He would tell us and talk to 1095 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,120 Speaker 3: us about like okay, you know the feeling this is 1096 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 3: about death, This is about seeking seeking death. Find that place, 1097 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,959 Speaker 3: find that place, you know. And he was like really 1098 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,799 Speaker 3: into the whole samurai mentality and you know, the Book 1099 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 3: of Five Rings and. 1100 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,320 Speaker 2: Dungeons and dragons. 1101 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: Fucking nerd. 1102 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,760 Speaker 3: He would he would have us run the San Dia Mountains, 1103 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 3: which there was probably like eleven twelve thousand feet up 1104 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 3: in the air, and we would do these wedding carries 1105 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 3: where we had to carry each other like this every 1106 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,399 Speaker 3: sixty steps we switched. That was after we did sprints 1107 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 3: on the stairs for about forty nine times, and it 1108 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,480 Speaker 3: was just it was the most unbelievable training that we 1109 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 3: that I've ever done. But it was all about mental 1110 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 3: and then during that time he would just beat it 1111 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 3: in your mind like, hey, no man is going to 1112 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,759 Speaker 3: be harder than this mountain. No man is going to 1113 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 3: be harder than this training. And he was really into 1114 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 3: the sport. He was really into us. He you know, 1115 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,319 Speaker 3: he would come and pick us up and drive us 1116 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,360 Speaker 3: to training. You know, that's how into it he was. 1117 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 2: Did you sleep in the gym like like the like 1118 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 2: all the stories. 1119 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 3: Like Ali, I slept in the gym. I slept in 1120 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 3: the gym Ali was my roommate, Ali ab Delaz that. 1121 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 1: Was your roommate room. Were you there at the same time? 1122 00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 1: Safe was there? 1123 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 3: Yep, there say I was Slafe coach coaching a few times. Yep. 1124 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,000 Speaker 3: Cowboy was there. Michelle Waterson lived with that time. Diego 1125 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 3: was there too, but he was kind of making that 1126 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 3: he was kind of hitting that popularity and he was one. Yep. 1127 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 3: So at the time when he was during a hiatus, 1128 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 3: GSP started to come in. I brought GSP into the 1129 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 3: gym and uh and and do. 1130 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 2: You have ADSP and pressure? I know you do. You 1131 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 2: do a great impression. 1132 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 3: I got my friend shot. If you see what I 1133 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 3: do last night? You want I talked to me top 1134 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,320 Speaker 3: of the neck the colin. 1135 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,359 Speaker 1: It's a little get to the chop of how many 1136 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 1: times did your car get stolen in Albuquerque? That's really 1137 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,040 Speaker 1: the big one. 1138 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 3: I rented this car from this Bill Bondsman. 1139 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: The most Albuquerque story to start up. So I had 1140 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: this car. I read it from a bilbox BI. 1141 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 3: It was an old police car. 1142 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait, would like the lights. 1143 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,840 Speaker 3: Lights and everything. I would drive around the neighborhood and 1144 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,319 Speaker 3: I would turn the police lights on, shaking people down. 1145 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 3: Man just kind of like turn the lights at messing 1146 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 3: with him and sh all. 1147 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,320 Speaker 2: Right, look, I gotta ask you about history here, because 1148 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 2: in the hierarchy of brother combinations in history, it's like 1149 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,360 Speaker 2: no Garas, Diaz is, Hughes is you know, and you 1150 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,919 Speaker 2: got all the Limas and don't forget about Herbert Burns too, 1151 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 2: and then there's the low Zons and the darkas is 1152 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,040 Speaker 2: what do we do with Hall of Famer Sugar Shot 1153 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 2: Evans and his brother Lance to forget that he did 1154 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,880 Speaker 2: time in this game? Yeah, okay, the Ultimate Fighter Lance Evans. 1155 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,680 Speaker 1: All right, yeah, there's some there's there's a brother combo. Yeah, 1156 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: it's a little more Matt and Marcus Markus. 1157 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1158 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 1: Lance is uh, how's he doing. 1159 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 3: He's doing He's doing good. Lance is doing good. He's 1160 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 3: a he works on a railroad. He's a he's a conductor. 1161 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,640 Speaker 1: That's a great I know a guy does that. He 1162 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: loves that. 1163 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a conductor. But I got Lance Junior, and 1164 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,560 Speaker 3: Lance Junior lives with me right now. And he's a 1165 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 3: little badass man. Do you want to be a fighter 1166 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,240 Speaker 3: or he is a fighter? He's training. 1167 00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 2: How old is he? 1168 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:03,279 Speaker 3: He's a twenty twenty one years old and it was 1169 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame. 1170 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 2: This is gonna be He's. 1171 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,080 Speaker 3: He's coming along. I'm beating the hell out of him 1172 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,879 Speaker 3: every day, like he needs to get a nice little 1173 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,399 Speaker 3: knock on the head. But it's for his own good. 1174 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,799 Speaker 2: Nice Junior, Today you'll be sparring Andre Lobster. We'll find 1175 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:18,839 Speaker 2: out how much you really want. 1176 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,040 Speaker 3: What I mean, Lance Junior is h He's a monster. Man, 1177 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 3: He's a monster. He's coming up in the ranks and uh, 1178 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,839 Speaker 3: he's he's hungry for it. He's got it. He's he's 1179 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 3: hungry for it. He's got a good mindset for it, 1180 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,640 Speaker 3: and he's got talent. 1181 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,680 Speaker 1: What do you want with this new reconstituted Black Zillion's 1182 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: gym you're trying? I mean, on the one hand, it 1183 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 1: sounds like, yeah, it'd be nice to do you want 1184 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: to be a super camp? Do you just want to 1185 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: have fun? Do you just want to take care of 1186 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,239 Speaker 1: these individual guys? What's the goal here? 1187 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 3: I just want to have fun. And I feel like, 1188 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 3: you know, fun is the basis for building anything great, 1189 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 3: and and it's everything is a lot easier to do 1190 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 3: once you're having fun doing it. So fun is the 1191 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,480 Speaker 3: main the main reason. But you know, I want to 1192 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,959 Speaker 3: be able to to see if I can do it again. 1193 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,880 Speaker 3: I want to see if I can build up another 1194 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,120 Speaker 3: camp and have You know, other people have great careers 1195 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:13,560 Speaker 3: from whatever. 1196 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 2: You as a head trainer, as sort of leader. 1197 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the head trainer. Yeah, so I'm you know, 1198 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 3: I'm in I'm so busy right now that I'm in there, 1199 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,560 Speaker 3: probably like two to three times a week if I'm lucky. 1200 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 3: But I'm trying to thin my schedule out a little 1201 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 3: bit more so I'll be able to dedicate more time 1202 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,320 Speaker 3: to these fighters. But I love the fight game. I 1203 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,120 Speaker 3: love the fight game, but I love coaching. I love coaching. 1204 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,239 Speaker 3: I love being there talking shit to them and being like, 1205 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,719 Speaker 3: you know, just getting in their minds and really letting 1206 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,920 Speaker 3: them understand what this game is about. See a lot 1207 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 3: of these fighters they want to get into this game 1208 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,200 Speaker 3: and they want to be you know, they want to 1209 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 3: have they want to be the movie star. They want 1210 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 3: to be you know, like it's like it's all glamorous 1211 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,160 Speaker 3: and you know, be popular. Yeah, the red carpet. I'm like, now, 1212 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,319 Speaker 3: fuck that. This is game about suffering. This is a 1213 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,359 Speaker 3: game about you being out, being able to outsuffer who 1214 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 3: is ever in front of you and can you do that? 1215 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,400 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna see if you can do that, because 1216 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 3: that's what training is about. I'm gonna make you suffer. 1217 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make you say, you know what, maybe there's 1218 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 3: an easier way for me to live. And if you're 1219 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,280 Speaker 3: still around, then maybe you can. Maybe you're ready. But 1220 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,280 Speaker 3: that's the place where I like to coach from and 1221 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 3: that's where I believe that you have these young fighters, 1222 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,320 Speaker 3: you got to bring them up into that mindset because 1223 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,520 Speaker 3: it's always going on between years, all. 1224 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,720 Speaker 2: Right, with your coaching voice that you're now in still 1225 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 2: in others? Is there some Greg Jackson in there? Is 1226 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,240 Speaker 2: there some Trevor Whitman in there? 1227 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 1: Like? 1228 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,920 Speaker 2: What are the voices that make up that? 1229 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 3: You know, it's a lot of Greg Jackson. Uh, definitely 1230 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:51,000 Speaker 3: some Trevor Whitman, but a whole lot of Mike Grandrezel, Mike, Mike, 1231 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,440 Speaker 3: Mike rand Was probably. 1232 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,200 Speaker 1: He was, he was. He was one of the first 1233 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 1: mm A fighters. I remember looking at being like that, 1234 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 1: dude is impressively, Yeah, impressively. 1235 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 3: And and Mike was. I've had some great coaches, you know, 1236 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 3: Mike Winkle, John, Greg Jackson, Marius Berry, so many great coaches, 1237 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 3: too many to name, but Mike vand Arizela stands out 1238 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 3: because we had a close relationship. And as an athlete, 1239 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 3: sometimes you find yourself fighting for a coach, meaning I 1240 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,439 Speaker 3: can lose, but if I lose in front of him, 1241 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,480 Speaker 3: it just makes me feel that much bad because I 1242 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 3: know how much coach believes in me. You know, I 1243 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,320 Speaker 3: don't want to let coach down. So I always fought 1244 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,919 Speaker 3: harder when I had Mike vand Arizel in the corner. 1245 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,400 Speaker 3: And I also felt as if like nothing can go 1246 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 3: wrong because I have Mike grand Horizon the coach, because 1247 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 3: he's always he's always built me up. But Mike would 1248 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,600 Speaker 3: have me training right and I'm on the aerodine and 1249 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,800 Speaker 3: I'm busting, I'm grind, I'm grinding. He'd be like, hey, yes, yes, 1250 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,800 Speaker 3: as you better keep it from going underneath that rate 1251 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,760 Speaker 3: right now because if you don't, we're gonna do this. 1252 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,560 Speaker 3: We're gonna do it all over again. So I'm doing it. 1253 00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 3: I'm doing it. I'm going all the way. I'm trying 1254 00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,919 Speaker 3: to keep it the RPMs up as hard as I can, 1255 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 3: and I failed by a little bit. Come on, to 1256 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 3: ass keep it up. We're doing the whole thing all 1257 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,920 Speaker 3: over again. And I do it, do it, do it, 1258 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,000 Speaker 3: and I just barely make it go underneath what he said, 1259 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,840 Speaker 3: and he says, f hey, as, really good job, man, 1260 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 3: really good job. You push hard, but guess what, you 1261 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:17,400 Speaker 3: gotta do it again? 1262 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 2: Look, miagi enough for this? 1263 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, what is I can't what is 1264 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,760 Speaker 1: Mike van Rsel up to these days? 1265 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 3: He's still coaching. He's still coaching in Arizona, Phoenix, Arizona. 1266 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 3: He's a coaching. He's got some young kids. He work 1267 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 3: at high school kids. Now he's not doing the man anymore. 1268 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:37,080 Speaker 1: Just wrestling. 1269 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:42,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's not not so much wrestling. I'm strength training, okay, 1270 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:43,600 Speaker 3: one hell the strength trainding. 1271 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 1: I remember the first I'll never forget this. Remember the 1272 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 1: first time I saw him fight live. He fought Tour 1273 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,160 Speaker 1: Tour beat him. But I remember when they introduced him 1274 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,760 Speaker 1: him like Tour might have his hands full. This guy 1275 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,920 Speaker 1: looks different. Uh, he was he was you know what 1276 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: he was in the early early, early early MMA stage. 1277 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,000 Speaker 1: He was NHB and stuff like that. 1278 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,880 Speaker 2: Yep, the people on GHB too, probably in those fights. 1279 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,640 Speaker 2: Quickly here we could talk to you for hours, and 1280 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 2: we love having Ebershot. I mean, you got such great perspective. 1281 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,440 Speaker 2: You fought so many legends in the cage. You were 1282 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,000 Speaker 2: there at the development of John Jones. You eventually fought him. 1283 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 2: John Jones probably the greatest fighter of all time, but 1284 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 2: to me, the greatest fighter I've ever seen for a minute, 1285 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 2: and in this case one year. It happened in twenty thirteen, 1286 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,840 Speaker 2: and it was a man named mohawked Vitur bellefour during 1287 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,240 Speaker 2: that time when he was super human, did you spar 1288 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,160 Speaker 2: I mean, were you in there sparring with him? 1289 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:35,600 Speaker 3: Yes? 1290 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,960 Speaker 2: Glorify my obsession with this mythological figure. How nasty. Was 1291 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 2: the same guy who spin kicked Luke rock Hold. I 1292 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,680 Speaker 2: remember that, Michael bisping Ow, Dan Henderson, gone, tell me 1293 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 2: about that guy. 1294 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,960 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Vtur at that time was a fucking 1295 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,480 Speaker 3: monster in every single sense of word. 1296 01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:57,880 Speaker 1: Back then. 1297 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,720 Speaker 3: Yoh. He would come into training and he would he 1298 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,200 Speaker 3: was sponsored by this telecommunications out in Brazil, and he 1299 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,240 Speaker 3: would be fully geared up in the whole gear and 1300 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 3: he'd come there and he would just like take heads. 1301 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,400 Speaker 3: And here's the thing about vit Our. Vtur would be. 1302 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,720 Speaker 2: Like, hey, I shot that. My neck kind of little 1303 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,400 Speaker 2: sore a little bit. Could we go easier? 1304 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:25,000 Speaker 3: I'm all right, cool, we start going, you know what 1305 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,680 Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like Vita or is that doing? Like he 1306 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,160 Speaker 3: was taking heads and training. 1307 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,920 Speaker 1: So the guys I've noticed to always get like the 1308 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,200 Speaker 1: like he had boxing trucks for example, if you saw 1309 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,280 Speaker 1: his fight, he has like Jesus written across it. I'm like, 1310 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,040 Speaker 1: always those guys. Yeah, always the Jesus guys. They won't 1311 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 1: hurt you so bad. 1312 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 3: And he were hurting you so bad. And he used 1313 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 3: to he used to whoop ass and practice like honestly, 1314 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,640 Speaker 3: like he used to beat the dog shit out of 1315 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 3: Caesar mu. 1316 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,240 Speaker 1: And and like that was his understudy, right, that was 1317 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:52,760 Speaker 1: under study. 1318 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean like in order to get that opportunity, 1319 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 3: you had to train with Vitour, you know he had 1320 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,800 Speaker 3: He had Paula Costa too. First time. I'm Paula Costa 1321 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 3: was with Vitor bell for on the Altimate Fighter when 1322 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 3: he came and uh was working with him. So I 1323 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,040 Speaker 3: mean Vitor Vitro was that guy. He was that guy, 1324 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:15,360 Speaker 3: and he always had like some really badass underling, you know, 1325 01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:21,480 Speaker 3: apprentice waiting to come into shoes. You know Gregory Rodriguez, RoboCop, 1326 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:22,880 Speaker 3: He was one of Vitor's guys. 1327 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 1: We saw him yesterday. 1328 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I end up stealing Gregory from from Vitor 1329 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,000 Speaker 3: and had him as my training partner. But you know, 1330 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,440 Speaker 3: Vitor back in those days was was one of the 1331 01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,400 Speaker 3: like an animal. Him and him and Anthony Johnson in 1332 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:40,080 Speaker 3: the same gym. I've never seen somebody knock out more 1333 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 3: people in the gym training than Anthony. 1334 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,680 Speaker 2: You did right by never fighting both of those guys, 1335 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,800 Speaker 2: although I in practice you probably gotta got Yeah. 1336 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,680 Speaker 1: I gotta say, here's the one like connecting thread with 1337 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,480 Speaker 1: your life in the sport is that feels like like 1338 01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,440 Speaker 1: we all have success as well have failures. We'll all 1339 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,840 Speaker 1: make mistakes. But it does feel like to me because 1340 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm the same age as you, and I've watched every 1341 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 1: one of your fights except for the ones that you 1342 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: can't find. But you have continuously made the sport better 1343 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,840 Speaker 1: as a participant, as an analyst, as a coach, as 1344 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,880 Speaker 1: a mentor at every stage, and at every version of 1345 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,320 Speaker 1: yourself or low as a drug advocate. But you know 1346 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,919 Speaker 1: what I mean, in all seriousness, dude, I really feel 1347 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,280 Speaker 1: like you've made the sport better and we're luckier for it. 1348 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,880 Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that. And that's what when people 1349 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 3: say what is your legacy? What do you want to 1350 01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,680 Speaker 3: be remembered for? And it's just precisely that, man, that's 1351 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,760 Speaker 3: all I really want, because that to me, what you 1352 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,160 Speaker 3: said means means more to me than anything, because I 1353 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,480 Speaker 3: know that all the hard work in the heart that 1354 01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,240 Speaker 3: I put into it was worth it. 1355 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,040 Speaker 2: And if they ever remake Marked for Death with Steven Seagal, 1356 01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,360 Speaker 2: you can play one of the Screwface brothers. I love this. 1357 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 3: Lookoo me no no, no, scoo fiss. 1358 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,800 Speaker 1: Hey. How many times did you make a straight to 1359 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:52,680 Speaker 1: DVD movie? 1360 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,919 Speaker 3: Oh? Like about eight? 1361 01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,240 Speaker 2: And I die. 1362 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:00,920 Speaker 3: That. 1363 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 2: We'll do that next time. 1364 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:02,760 Speaker 1: We'll do that next time. 1365 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,640 Speaker 2: All right. Room Service Diaries is in the books The 1366 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:06,040 Speaker 2: Hall of. 1367 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,800 Speaker 1: Famer, one of my favorite episodes. 1368 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,840 Speaker 2: Already, We're going to see you on the ESPN desk 1369 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,280 Speaker 2: on more UFC cards in the future. Anything else you 1370 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,080 Speaker 2: want to get out there, I mean, you're always always 1371 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,080 Speaker 2: got something on the burner. 1372 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,360 Speaker 3: I mean, just go and go to get humble dot 1373 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,560 Speaker 3: com and check out some of my line of functional mushrooms, 1374 01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,080 Speaker 3: not the kind is gonna get you silk. 1375 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:24,160 Speaker 1: We should talk after the show. 1376 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:31,120 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, So it's functional mushrooms like lions, main cordyceps, ratiet, 1377 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,800 Speaker 4: turkey tail, all the beneficial ones that help out your 1378 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 4: neurological body and help you out mentally, physically in your clarity. 1379 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,520 Speaker 2: He's a credit to the sport and credit to our 1380 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,240 Speaker 2: team when he joins us here. Can we get him 1381 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,520 Speaker 2: outfitted in a more merch RJ Please? Can we get 1382 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,840 Speaker 2: on that. It's Sugarshot Evans, Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell, South 1383 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,240 Speaker 2: Florida has been great. See you on the couch next time.