1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's Giants on the Giants Bubbling, give me 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: some job. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants podcast Network. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 2: Let's roll. 6 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 7 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official Bank of the Giants. 8 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk, joined by the one and only 9 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: Tiki Barber. Tiky, how are you man? 10 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: Fantastic John, A little bit hot and sweaty. This reminds 11 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: me of my days up in Albany, where it was brutal, 12 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: but at least we were away with each other. That's 13 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: all that mattered in training camp was getting away, building 14 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: some camaraderie and hopefully learning something to get ready for 15 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: the season. 16 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: That is true. We don't have the rack a ball 17 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: courts here. I know that that's a little bit different. 18 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: You don't have the bad dormitory beds either, which is 19 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: also a good thing. 20 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: That depends you can get a bad hotel bed as well. 21 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: Cast with these guys stay nowadays. 22 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: That is also true. But we're here for a special reason, 23 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: the Giants in WFN. We're gonna be back with him 24 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: again this year and for the future. And Tiki Barber 25 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: is gonna join me on the pre and postgame show 26 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: before and after all the Giant games. Man, I am psyched. 27 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: Welcome a board. 28 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: I am excited for this. I think it is a 29 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: it's a it's kind of a homecoming in a sense. 30 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: It's all over due. 31 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: My longtime post college professional adopted home was the New 32 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: York Giants. As you guys now, ten years I spent 33 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: here and to finally, I mean fifteen years later, So 34 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: come back and be a part of this broadcast, one 35 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: that I was very familiar with when I was playing. 36 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: Obviously we're doing guest spots and you guys would pull 37 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: me aside everybody like, what the hell are we doing 38 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: over here? But now to be back and be a 39 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: part of it is it's going to be special. And 40 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: there's a lot of optimism for this season. I know 41 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: the schedule is tough, and I know there's been a 42 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: lot of futility over the last couple of years, but 43 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: a couple I've put myself in my post career to 44 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: be an analyst and talk honestly about what I see, 45 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: and I hope that's what I bring. 46 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what gets to be excited is that, you 47 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: know Pete Hoffman works first too. He course he works 48 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: over after and he worked with me, my former. 49 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: Producer, with Tiky and Tierney, and now he's with BT 50 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: and Sal and he's a great dude. 51 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: Awesome, and he always tells me that at commercial breaks 52 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: at the show, sitting there, I don't know what program 53 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: you're using, but you're watching the All twenty two. Not 54 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: just of the local teams. You're watching the All twenty 55 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: two of as many games as you can, especially when 56 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: you're doing the TV broadcast too, And that gets me 57 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: excited to know that somebody is gonna put the work in. 58 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: And you know Pierce, you can talk to Pierce and 59 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: just producing us. Right now, I'm sitting here at eight 60 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: am every Monday morning rewatching the Giants game on me 61 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: ALL twenty two because you really don't know what happened, yeah, 62 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: until you watch it. I don't know how many times 63 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: I've watched the game live. Then I come watch Monday morning, like, wow, 64 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: that is not close to what I thought happened. 65 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: Really interesting. When people talk about the precision of sport, 66 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: so baseball it's probably the hardest sport that there is. 67 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: Hitting one hundred mile hour fastball, you have to be precise. 68 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: You have to cite it correctly. You have to swing 69 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: right in order to make a contact and have success. 70 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: In football, we mess up a lot and the play 71 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: might look perfect to the lay fan, but there's a 72 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: lot of things that go into perfect and it's always, 73 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: you know, interesting for me to dig down into details 74 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: and figure out why something worked even if it was that, 75 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: and why things didn't because in our game there's so 76 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: many moving parts and everything is truly connected, from center 77 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: to guard, to the wide receiver to running backs routes, 78 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: and how that influences everything that happens on the field. 79 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: So that's what I love about football. You know, fifteen 80 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: years ago, before I was analyzing and getting into the game, 81 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: I realized that I missed it, like I missed looking 82 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: at this sport that I used to spend so many 83 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: hours dedicated to and now I get to do it 84 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: in a different capacity. 85 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: And look, you talk about all the sports, so you 86 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: get it. Like you watch a baseball game, it's the 87 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: pitcher's the batter. It's not difficult to break down. You 88 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: watch a basketball game, will learn I'm a huge Knicks guy, 89 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: do a lot of necks and you see all five 90 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: court five guys on the court on the live TV copy, 91 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: and you can see everything that's happening. Of course, there 92 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: are things during a football game where even if you're 93 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: not looking at the right thing live or you're at 94 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: home watching on TV, there could be stuff going on 95 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: this not even on camera, that's impacting the play that 96 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: you don't even see. And when you come back and 97 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: you look at it afterwards, you're like, Wow, that made 98 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: that play and I couldn't even see that watching the TV. 99 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: Well, John, I promise you I won't get that granular 100 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: because people will tune. 101 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: Out normally, don't we like but I do. 102 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: It can be something as simple as the first step 103 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: that a guard or a tackle made, or the misread 104 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: that a quarterback has and it ends up taking him 105 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: away from where he should be placing the ball. And 106 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: those things are they're not obvious to the naked eye, 107 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: and especially because the game is moving so fast, we 108 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: tend to just focus on where the ball is as 109 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: opposed to everything else that's contributing to the success or 110 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: failure of a play. So I'm looking forward to breaking 111 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: that down and talking about it pre what I expect 112 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: to see, and then obviously post what we did see. 113 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: And then the other thing I've learned too being here. 114 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: I've been here now since two thousand and seven. You 115 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: think you know what happens even after you watch twenty two, 116 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: but then you might talk to a coach in the 117 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: hallway and then you're like, oh, and then you something 118 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: else out right. 119 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even get the play right correct, there's 120 00:04:58,760 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: something else. 121 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: So you know on this plat he was actually supposed 122 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: to be doing the head but he read it. And 123 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: you learn what players are doing things because they're instinctual 124 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: what things are by paper, and that's another thing you 125 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: can't tell just by watching it. 126 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: A lot true And you know, it's interesting because we 127 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: know how this regime started. Dave's one coach of the year. 128 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: They were surprise playoff birth he got to the second 129 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: round and you know, ended up losing, but that was 130 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: beside the point. It was the culture had been set, 131 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: and so much of that culture I think is still here. 132 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: It's just they've been replaced. It's been replaced player wise, 133 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: and so re establishing that and seeing how davees and 134 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: this coaching staff and given Joe Shane if he if 135 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: he brings in guys after the cutdown period. How they 136 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: build this team is going to be so interesting for me. 137 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: I think I'm starting to already see what the identity 138 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: is going to be. And it honestly gets me excited 139 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: because it feels like my era of football. 140 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: Tell me what it feels like. 141 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: What do you think it's going to be that we're 142 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: building front first, defensive line in particular, second level obviously 143 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: with McFadden, but we've we've beefed up this defensive front. 144 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: You bring in Paulson a debo and hauling behind him 145 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: and hopefully we get good cornerback play. But I see 146 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: a physicality that's starting to happen. And then as much 147 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: as I look, I love Tyrone Tracy because he runs 148 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: like I did. He runs with great instinct. He presses 149 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: the hole. He never goes for the fool's gold. I 150 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: like to call it the iron pyrite. It's that, oh, 151 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: there's the hole, but it's not really there yet. You 152 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: gotta wait for it to truly develop. He presses and 153 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: gets into holes, and so I like his game breaking ability. 154 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: But this kid, Cam's Kataboo. It's just he feels like, 155 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: like like the muscle of what this offense could be. 156 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: And it's gonna be physical. Obviously, Russell Russe is the 157 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: leader out there, he's the starting quarterback for now and 158 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: and I think he's going to bring the guidance. But 159 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: I feel a physicality starting to be redeveloped with this 160 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: Giants team, and it's something I think they've missed. 161 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: And we saw that today where we're recording this on Monday, 162 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: right after the first day the Giants were in Pad. 163 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: So it's to watch that this could be like a 164 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: little thunder lightning situation, could be you guys had back 165 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: in the day. Now scattibu stature wise, you would not think, 166 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: but even they were doing. They were backing the guys 167 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: up to the goal line today and there were offensers 168 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: trying to get out and I think they're on one 169 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: or two yard line, depending on the snap. And Scattabuo 170 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: was just Lauren and he did not care see his think. 171 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: I think I've only met him once so far. I'm 172 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: sure I'll spend a lot of time with him over 173 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: the next few weeks. But he's got a little crazy, 174 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: but the right kind of crass, exactly the right kind 175 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: of crazy. There's a confidence there, but is the right 176 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: kind of crazy I think the difference from when Ron 177 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: Daane and I in two thousand were thunder and Lightning. 178 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: I mean, and it was specific. We all remember this. 179 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: It was because Sean Payton wanted me in the game, 180 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: he'd called Lightning personnel. If you wanted Ron in the game, 181 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: he would call thunder personnel. But in essence, we were 182 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: running two different offenses. Like Ron's offense with thunder personnel 183 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: was a lot of power. It was a lot of 184 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: downhill Bob's and duos attacking you know, point of attack 185 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: football with lightning personnel. When I was in there, it 186 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: was all misdirection. We'd get trip formations, we'd run scissors plays, 187 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: we'd run you know, running backs out of the backfield. 188 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: I think the difference with Cam and Tyrone and even 189 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: Devin Singletary obviously as the veteran in that room, is 190 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: that they're all interchangeable. They don't they don't have to 191 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: create two different offenses for two different types of players. 192 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: I think both of those guys can do everything that 193 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: this offense calls for. Catching it too, catch it actually 194 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: absolutely what do you have sixty something catches in college 195 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 2: last year at Arizona State, and we know that Tyrone. 196 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: Tracy is a former wide receiver. You know, he has 197 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: that ability as well. So I think like there's a 198 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: there's a seamlessness that will exist with this backfield and 199 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: that'll be fun. 200 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: You talked about renewing the culture from season one when 201 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: they had so much success. I think we talked about 202 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: this in practice today. A big part of that is 203 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: what Russell Wilson's bringing. One is a big reason they 204 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: brought him in, not just because of what he can 205 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: do on the field, but what he can be as 206 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: a leader and what he's bringing to this lot. 207 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, let's let's let's be real. Russell Wilson's thirty 208 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: seven years old. This is his fourth stop in three years, 209 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: and we don't know how much of the old Super 210 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: Bowl winning Russell Wilson we have left. But the one 211 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: thing that is certain about Russell Wilson is he is 212 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: a great leader of guys because he's so serious about 213 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: what he's doing. Now, you offset that in a sense 214 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: with jamis with the levity that he brings and the 215 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: humor and the relatability and all those other things. But 216 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: like if you're talking about digging into the details, Russell 217 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: is the person the best person. I think the Giants 218 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 2: could have gotten to do that. And then obviously you're 219 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: tutoring and grooming Jackson Dart to ultimately become that guy. 220 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: But when I think about what Dave's brought in twenty 221 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: twenty two, it was an accountability and you have to 222 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: earn itness. I'm making that you know word, it's not 223 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: really true there, but you have to earn your time 224 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: on the field. You have to earn my trust in 225 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: order to be put out on the on the on 226 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: the football field on Sunday afternoons. And I think with 227 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 2: Russ you get that back because he's that kind of player. 228 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: He won't throw you a sixty yard ball down field 229 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: if he doesn't trust that you're going to be in 230 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: the right spot. And you're already starting to see some 231 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: of that that development between him and Elaite Neighbors really 232 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: one of the reasons he came here in these early practices. 233 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: Now today was the first padded practice, and those are 234 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: the only ones that I can pay credence to because 235 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: when you're running around in your underwear, that's not football, right, 236 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: that's just kind of that's just kind of going through 237 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: the motions. Uh, it looked good out there today, and 238 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: so we'll see how that continues to develop. 239 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: Get in here, if you're lined up here, you gotta 240 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: go over the middle with at the score great. 241 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 2: How do we make that happen? I don't know, but 242 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: Citizens does? 243 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: It makes sense of your money with Citizens Official Bank 244 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: of Eli Manning. And I think the identity, the offense, 245 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: I think you just said on both parts of it, right, 246 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: the Power one game, Yeah, then you run. Look, look 247 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: when a Russ had his most success in Seattle. So 248 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: when they have a Power one game, play action off of that, 249 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: then they just through a lot of passes downfield and 250 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: we don't Again, this is not going to be the 251 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: Russ that was here, you know, in the Super Bowl 252 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: and all that. 253 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: Sort of stuff, right when they beat the Broncos. 254 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: Correct, But his willingness to throw the ball downfield, which 255 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: you know Daves has been begging for explosive place for 256 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: three years. That the Eyes have been in the bottom 257 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: of the league in terms of explosive place for years. 258 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: You cannot score points in the NFL these days that 259 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: out of the explosive place, you can't do it. And 260 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: I think he's if you can get that, even if 261 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: it's not every game enough of those to keep the 262 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: safeties on us. With the power run game, that to 263 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: me seems like way I. 264 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: Hear you, and like it's going to be a work 265 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: in progress. But we are not in fifties sixties football. 266 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: You can't go station to station to score first down, 267 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: first down, well, Pa drives down. Well, you can't do 268 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: it because that you your your likelihood of success after 269 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: each success a first down diminishes. First first first down 270 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 2: that's probably sixty percent. Next first down that's probably forty 271 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: five percent. Next first down that's like twenty eight percent. 272 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: Like it's hard to get first down at the first 273 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: down then, and you you quadruple your you're expected scoring 274 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: opportunities if you have plays of twenty plus yards. That 275 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: happens a lot in the past game. Now, interestingly, I 276 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: think Tyrone Tracy and maybe even Camp's Gataboo give you 277 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: that in the run game. But big plays or would 278 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: have started to dominate the metrics of offense in the NFL. 279 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: And in order to do that, you got to have 280 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: someone that's willing to throw the ball downfield, which which 281 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: obviously Russell will be someone who's willing to go down 282 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: there and make those catches, and obviously Malik and Darius 283 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: Slayton and even Wandell Robinson who's not a big play threat, 284 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: but he is a consistent underneath r Jalen Pyatt. With 285 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: the size that he put on this offseason, you feel 286 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: optimistic that this offense is going to get more modern now. Obviously, 287 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: as we all know, offense can only work if the 288 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: offensive line is working. 289 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: Beating to the next question, do you think is good 290 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: enough to allow it to work? 291 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 2: That's that's the one question mark I have, and I 292 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: specifically wanted to see that today. So I went out 293 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: to practice when I was there with you guys, and 294 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: I was standing behind the offensive line because I wanted 295 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: to see, you know, what's it look like at center. 296 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: I know John Michael Schmidz is he he's undersized. Is 297 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: anchoring has been somewhat of an issue over the course 298 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: of his career? Can he figure that out? Evan Neil 299 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: is getting some starting reps at right guard right now. Now. 300 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: I know he's always been a tackle and he's never 301 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: played guard in the NFL, but he's got the physical 302 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: ability to be special at that position. It's not dissimilar 303 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: than Makai Becton's transformation from the New York Jets tackle 304 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: to the Philadelphia Eagles where he became a Super Bowl champion. 305 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: And even though he wasn't lauded, he didn't get an 306 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: accolade that year, he wasn't Pro Bowl, All Pro, he 307 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: was one of the key cogs in that offense. And 308 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: so maybe that transformation can happen with Evan Neil and 309 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: I like illumin or hopefully Andrew Thomas gets healthy in 310 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: time for to be back and then we can we 311 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: can talk about this offensive line. Finally, is I don't 312 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 2: know if it's going to be a strength this year. 313 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: I think there's still development that is happening, but it's 314 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: at least it won't be a liability. 315 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: Just allow the offense to function, right, exactly right, that's all. 316 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: And by the way, we saw a little bit of 317 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: that at the beginning of life first six games. I 318 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: was like, man, it's nice to see Daniel Jones drop 319 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: back and not be running for us. 320 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: Wait wait did he get to his third read on that? 321 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: I could see that, like. 322 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: Right, exactly, So this is a there's a lot of 323 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: optimism now the obvious like non't know, let's call it 324 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: a dark cloud on this ridiculously sunny day. Is the 325 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: schedule is brutal. I know it's too early to start 326 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: even thinking about it, but when you talk about the 327 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: Commanders and then the Cowboys, and then obviously the Kansas 328 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: City Chiefs and then the Chargers, it just just feels daunting. 329 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: AFC West, NFC North, right, just. 330 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: Look at the teams, those two visions, they all they're 331 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: all playoff teams or on the verge of being playoff teams. 332 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: And so but the one thing I always I always 333 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: appreciated as a player was that challenge when nobody thought 334 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: you could do it. 335 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: As a player, at this time, we are you thinking 336 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: about the schedule? 337 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: Not not at all, and by the way, you shouldn't. 338 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: But as an analyst, yeah, as a talk radio host 339 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: and as a podcast you have to hear with you. You 340 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: have to because it's three reality of the game, and 341 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: it's what most fans are looking forward to right now. 342 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: They're distracted by the Yankees and the Mets, and I 343 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: guess what's happening with the Knicks and their offseason, But. 344 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: I think the fantasy distraction from the Yankees that's a 345 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: different story. 346 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: But but but football fans when they are thinking football, 347 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: they can't wait for Week one, and week one is 348 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: a traditional rivalry game from at least my era, where 349 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: obviously the then Redskins now the Commanders, and so they 350 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: made a lot of strides the Commanders. Did you give 351 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: Dan Quinn a ton of credit? Obviously Jayden Daniels was 352 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: amazing last year as a rookie quarterback. But it's it's 353 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: it's the rivalry game. It's not the rivalry game. That's 354 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: that's that's still Philly, I think. But the Commanders are 355 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: an interesting team for the Giants to start with. 356 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: And then Dallas right after that, of verse the Chiefs, 357 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: and you don't get much better than that. Our final 358 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: question on the offense, I wo hit the defense with 359 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: you real quick. As a player in that locker room, 360 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been a part of this. Do you 361 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: know from what you see at practice when the young 362 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: guy is ready, when you're thinking about Jackson Dor because 363 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: also from the outside, we're gonna have no idea. We 364 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: don't once he we got to September, we're not gonna 365 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: see Jackson Door do anything with the football. 366 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: It's really hard because I mean I can only parallel 367 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: this to Eli's rookie season, which was my seventh season 368 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: with Kurt right with Kurt Warner, and we knew that 369 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: Eli was given a lot on his plate. Now in practice, 370 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: you kind of could see him understanding it, but it's 371 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: it's controlled. As as much as we love seeing padded 372 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: practices and you know, live reps, it's still controlled. Right. 373 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: He is not feeling a threat of getting knocked on 374 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: his ass, right, So it's it's it was. It was 375 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: hard to ascertain and so the only way to figure 376 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: it out was he had to go play. And he 377 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: did and he wasn't greatly. It was less real six 378 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: losses in a row, and then he and then and 379 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: then he got put in a situation where he didn't 380 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: have to think. We came. It came down to our 381 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: last game against the Cowboys and our last drive and 382 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: it was a two minute offense. He ran it to perfection, 383 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: called every audible correctly, made every throw, every decision was right. 384 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: And you know, going into that season, even though we 385 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: didn't make the post, it was like, man, I think 386 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: the kid might have it. And so as much as 387 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: we might see in practice from Jackson Dart as great 388 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 2: many great throws as we might feel or decisions that 389 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: we see. That's not just practice in training camp, but 390 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: even in the preseason games. We won't really know until 391 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: we see it when it matters on the field. With 392 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: that being said, he has the luxury because of the 393 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: job that Joe Shane did filling this quarterback room with 394 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: veterans who understand how to win, know how to they 395 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: know how to compete, and think he's going to learn 396 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: from that, So he doesn't. There's not a necessity for 397 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: him to have to play. 398 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 399 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your match. But if you're 400 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 401 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care to 402 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: learn about anmiliar team? Yes I knew I could help 403 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: make sense of your money with Citizens? 404 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah I know. 405 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: I think that's a real luxury. 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This is not going to be a 416 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty eight point per game offense. Yeah, 417 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: so you know last year there were scoring fifteen points 418 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: a game, right, if they can get the twenty one 419 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: points per game, can this defense do well enough to 420 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: win games that way? 421 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: I generally think if you get three touchdowns or close 422 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: to the equivalent, so twenty points or so, you put 423 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: yourself in a chance to win. If your defense is 424 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: viable enough, and the Giants are, we know that the 425 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: pass rush should be there obviously with Kavon and a'bdu 426 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: Carter was just drafted and Brian Banks uh, I mean Burns, 427 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: they should be really good up front. And it's not 428 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: even counting the best player on this team, talking about 429 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence, and so the pressure that you put on 430 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: opposing offensive fronts is really how you control games. And 431 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: so when I think about this defense, it's that I 432 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: think they they went veteran in their secondary, which was necessary. Uh, 433 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: there were so some we'll call it inefficiencies a year ago, 434 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 2: and lack of consistency, allow too many big plays, a 435 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: lack of effort in certain moments. And and also Smelk, 436 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: you're right giving up the big plays. You can't do 437 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: those things. So you bring in Javon Holland, who is 438 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: a veteran safety. You bring in Paulson, a debo who, 439 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: although he's coming off an injury, is a big physical corner. 440 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: You're gonna have Cortell Flott and Deontay Banks battling out 441 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 2: for that other slot. And then and then, and then 442 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 2: the two rookies from last year are or were unbelievable. 443 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: Newman and Drew were fantastic, And so I think they're 444 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: starting to become depth there. And depth is really in 445 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: the in the preseason, an opportunity for competition. And I 446 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: think more than anything, what the Giant secondary needed was 447 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: competition and not to just be handed a role and 448 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: and and not earn it. And by the way, that 449 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: brings me back to Dave's uh, his and his mL 450 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: and his his his his brand that he wants to 451 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 2: bring of the football. You have to earn it. And 452 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: I think this year this defense will earn it in 453 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: the second level, uh and in the in the in 454 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: the front four or seven, they should be dominant. They 455 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: have a lot of good players up there. 456 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: What has me excited to keep about the secondary And 457 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: you can speak to this when you have two safeties 458 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: I know both guys. Nubis just in a second year, 459 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: but he was in college for five. He's a smart player. 460 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 1: Holland we know is a very smart player. When you 461 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: have two smart safeties that are interchangeable, the way you 462 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: can disguise back there post snap, especially with that pass rush, 463 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: that's how you put opposing quarterbacks into tough situations. 464 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Nothing if teams that have have to play static 465 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: because you see this and they get destroyed calling games 466 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: over the last few years, A team that has to 467 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: has to play static because they don't want to confuse 468 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: everybody will get torched every single game. And so what 469 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: you're starting to see is this innovation. And by the way, 470 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: this is a this is a reaction to what's happening 471 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: on offense. And these offensive coordinators these days, led by 472 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: the Kyle Shanahan tree, are all spread out. There's motion, 473 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: there's misdirection, there's all these things to create advantages and mismatches, 474 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 2: and defense has had to figure out how to combat that. 475 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: The way you do it is via disguise, and so 476 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: you start in one thing, you flip to another, whether 477 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: that's a shell or it's man and you and you, 478 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 2: and you force a defense or an offense. In particular, 479 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: the quarterback to make a decision on the fly, like 480 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: ball snapped, He's like, oh crap, that's different than what 481 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be. Now my decision 482 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 2: process is disrupted, and he's more likely to make a mistake. 483 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: But the only way you can do that as a 484 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: defense is if you got a smart players who can 485 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: can all function and moving parts and not screw it up. 486 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: Because the last thing you want is one of those 487 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: Oh man, I busted and now all of a sudden 488 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: the curl or whatever. You know, some part of the 489 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 2: field is just wide open and uncovered, or someone's running free. 490 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: And that's why those coaches played static exactly because they 491 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: can't trust the guy and trust complicated stuff. 492 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: And so this is where Shane's got a bones, got 493 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 2: a big task in front of him. As much as 494 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: it is about the physicality of that second level and 495 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: really the third level. I'm talking about the secondary. It's 496 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: more about the brain of these guys to be able 497 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: to comprehend and understand. 498 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: And I think when we see more man to man 499 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: on the back end too, I mean, I hope it's 500 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: two big physical coins like that, especially with that pass rush. 501 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: I hope. 502 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: So if you can, if you know you're getting home 503 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: a lot of user to play man de the challenges. 504 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: You got to get home, correct, You gotta get home. 505 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: And as good as as Burns and Cavon were a 506 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 2: year ago, they didn't get home enough. The Giants need 507 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: a better pass rush. That's why the priority was Abdul 508 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: Carter in this year's draft. I envisioned them using him 509 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: in so many different ways. They're standing up in the well, 510 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: or getting on the edge, or or or just having 511 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: his hand in the dirt, sometimes in a three technique 512 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: simply as a mismatching pass situations. You give yourself the 513 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: ability to be diverse, and it makes it harder for 514 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: offensive lines to protect their quarterback. 515 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: Final question, what do you think of Abdul Carter? You've 516 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: seen them on tape. I know which was I mean, 517 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. I mean a lot of fun. 518 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: And now you've seen him moving person interesting because he's 519 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: he's got a It's like Penn State is cranking out 520 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: these these these clones right because he's got a little 521 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons in them. Away from the ravens like these. 522 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: It's like they're they've become edge rusher you And just 523 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: like back in the day, the University of Miami was 524 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: tight in you. And so what I like most about 525 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: him is that he's aggressive at the point of attack. 526 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: He's so many, so many pass rushers they don't have 527 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: a plan for when they get stoned, right. Their original 528 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: plane is all right, I'm going low and I'm dipping 529 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 2: out side and I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna get under 530 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: this tackle, and all of a sudden they get stopped. 531 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: And then they're like, all right, prap, what I do. 532 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna run around the quarterback. 533 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 2: Now, right now, I'm throwing myself in the no man's 534 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: land and there's nothing and I'm not affecting this play 535 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: at all. And so the really good ones are are 536 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: violent at their point of attack and they force the 537 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: tackle or whoever's whoever's blocking them to be caught off 538 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: guard and then you now have the advantage. And as 539 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: soon as you get the advantage, that's when you can 540 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 2: take a b line for a quarterback and put the 541 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: pressure on them and either force an errant throat or 542 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 2: sack them and take him down. 543 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: It's funny you say that last question. I was talking 544 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: to Jermaina Luminoor during one of the OTAs when he 545 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: was having a couple of reps off and I was 546 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: talking about Michael Parsons and he goes, Michael Parsons one 547 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: of the toughest guys to block, and you would think 548 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: it's because he's saw athletic, he's got speed to the outside. 549 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Lumodore is like that. Dude is like, pound for pound, 550 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: maybe the strongest edge player I play against. And it's 551 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: the power right that gives me the most issues because 552 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: I know he can would speed, but if he doesn't 553 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: have the power to counter that, I can handle the 554 00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: guy running outside. 555 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: All of that. I mean, football is physics at the 556 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: end of the day, and so if someone's running fast, 557 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: like you can create your angle as a tackle to 558 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: combat that, right, But if he's also fast, so you're 559 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 2: creating a different angle to get back and cut him off. 560 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 2: From his speed and then he turns into you and 561 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: just drills you and lifts you off your feet. You're screwed. 562 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: And so you also look really bad, you really and 563 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: you look really bad. 564 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: And so it's it's those guys, You're right. I mean, 565 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: the operative word you said is power. The guys that 566 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: have power, and it's there's an explosiveness about them are 567 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: really hard to block. 568 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: All right, Tike, tell the giant fans what they kind 569 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: of expect for you, you know, joining us and just 570 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: the excitement of the bat. 571 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 2: I'm excited to be back with Big Blue. I hope 572 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: you guys don't get annoyed from hearing me all day 573 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: every day on wfa N from two to six thirty, 574 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: and then on the weekends they're doing pre imposed about 575 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 2: this team that I love so much. But I'm glad 576 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: to be back home. I'm glad to be working with 577 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: the YOUU Schmulky and the rest of this broadcast team, 578 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: because you guys put out a great product and I'm. 579 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: Just here to help it along a little bit more 580 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: psite to have you, dude, it's play John. Hey, can't 581 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: wait to start working with you, Tiggy Barber, You're gonna 582 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: be our host in the prem post game show, and 583 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: again we are thrilled to be back on Wfan for 584 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: Giants broadcast. Moving forward for Tiggy Barbara, I'm John Schmelk. 585 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: That's the Giants Podcast, brought to you by Citizens Official 586 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: Bank of the Giants, coming to you from the Hackensack 587 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: Murty Health Podcast Studio. Keep getting better.