WEBVTT - 310: A Door Marked Exit w/ Tony Goldwyn & Zahir McGhee

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<v Speaker 1>Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with Higheartradioshas and Katie.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this episode is it's so kick ass that

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<v Speaker 2>we have two kick ass guests to really hold it up.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk to Tony Goldwin.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we've got the one and only Zahir McGhee,

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<v Speaker 2>who is an incredible writer, and he's going to give

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<v Speaker 2>us like a real some hot goss into like what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell was going on in the writer's room and

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<v Speaker 2>all those people's minds, what they thought of us, how

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<v Speaker 2>much they loved hugging Quinn.

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<v Speaker 3>Katie, You're not even in LA right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not in LA, and it's like, I miss you.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss You's got a job somewhere outside of LA.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you say where you are? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's going to come out soon. At the time

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<v Speaker 2>of this recording, it was previous to the press release,

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<v Speaker 2>but the press release will be coming out next week.

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<v Speaker 2>And y'all, I'm in North Carolina. I'll play in a

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<v Speaker 2>Texan and I have been working not to day on

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<v Speaker 2>this accent. So apologies if I tend to be coming

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<v Speaker 2>in and out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh thanks g. It's so ridiculous, so crazy, it's so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, nobody will ever compare. It's so hard, isn't it,

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<v Speaker 2>Like dal Scandal will never I've collected some wonderful artists

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<v Speaker 2>and people on the jobs post Scandal. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was the I was the baby and the

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<v Speaker 2>youngest on Scandal, all the older people would always be like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is lightning in a bottle. Nothing ever existed like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm like, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit, yeah, it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I just did a guest spot on a show that's

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<v Speaker 1>been on for seven seasons and same thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they were all really nice and lovely, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>they were they were running a tight ship. But it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have that energy that we had on our show

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<v Speaker 1>that like fun, like you know what I mean. We

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<v Speaker 1>were doing some intense stuff on the show, but we

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<v Speaker 1>had so much fun with each other on set.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I have to say I did a show

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<v Speaker 2>that I cannot say on this fucking podcast, like it

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<v Speaker 2>was a hit show at the same time that Scandal

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<v Speaker 2>was a hit show. But it won all the awards, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>unlike Scandal, who did not win any which is fucking bullshit,

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it won all the awards, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say, people can deduct this. I did a couple

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<v Speaker 2>id recurring on this show after Scandal, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>it did like one or two more seasons after Scandal,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just remember being on the set and like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was on their phones, and everyone was like wildly

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<v Speaker 2>successful and like so famous, so they probably had like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to do, right, like they're just like so busy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just like looked around. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like on Scandal, we were literally hanging out all

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And listen, there were moments where people were we were

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<v Speaker 1>all on our phones, but then like Josh Molina, someone

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<v Speaker 1>would get up and he'd grab somebody's phone and tweet

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<v Speaker 1>I'm horny.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we were like even you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we were having a blast.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we hung out likes and maybe yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We hung out a ton. Yeah on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>We just like really were freaking tight. And it's really

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like somebody you go to sleep away camp

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<v Speaker 2>with or something. I feel like every time I see Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously, thank god we get to see each

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<v Speaker 2>other time, But even when I was texting Carrie and

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<v Speaker 2>it feels exactly like it did seven years ago. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's when you go through something like that we've been through.

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<v Speaker 2>It just feels like time picks up exactly where we

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<v Speaker 2>last left off or something exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the people on these shows that we did didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like us, Maybe we were the problem. Maybe they were like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 3>Just stay on my phone.

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<v Speaker 4>This annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>Here ever treated the guest stars like shit.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we would treat them so nice. We treat them

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<v Speaker 3>so nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember every time a new person who would come on,

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<v Speaker 1>I would make a point to be like, hey.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome, like we're so happy you're here, like you're great.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, usually that guest star was like famous or had

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<v Speaker 2>an unbelievable resume.

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<v Speaker 5>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>He oh it rhymes it does. Here has is having

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<v Speaker 2>technical difficulties, but he's our guest and we should have

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<v Speaker 2>teased him better than it did. Because this is our

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<v Speaker 2>very very first writer other than Shonda Rhymes herself, that

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<v Speaker 2>we had had on this skin of Rewatch podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, baby, I was just gonna say that here is

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<v Speaker 1>one of those writers that it felt like he was

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<v Speaker 1>like a peer, right, like it felt like he was

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<v Speaker 1>like like one of the guys, like one of us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It felt like he was

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<v Speaker 1>just hanging out with us on set, and that it

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<v Speaker 1>was always so much fun.

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<v Speaker 4>MLA.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Few like writers that when they would come on said

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like scary.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And now that I think about it, there were so

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<v Speaker 1>many seven and I mean there was so many that.

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<v Speaker 3>The best in I mean yes, yes, Matt Burn, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>were all great.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, it was just it was just never when she

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<v Speaker 2>did it was terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because we were just trying to just be so

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<v Speaker 1>good for her. We just wanted to make no mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, is it here? McGee? Here? McGee? You treasure of

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<v Speaker 2>a human being that you are. We were saying, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you could hear it. You are our

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<v Speaker 2>first writer that we have ever had on Unpacking the

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<v Speaker 2>Toolbox other than Shonda Rhime's Queen Bee yourself.

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<v Speaker 6>You know that that terrifies me, but thank you for

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<v Speaker 6>having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for listeners, listen here is a very, very

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<v Speaker 2>key a writer to scandal. But I also think because

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<v Speaker 2>we see each other like every morning at drop off

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<v Speaker 2>with our kids. That I was like, here, you're very

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<v Speaker 2>much at the forefront of my day to day. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>feel special, but also don't feel threatened, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't still that threatened?

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<v Speaker 3>It's us two goofballs.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I've been a fan. I was so excited when

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<v Speaker 6>when the podcast came out, and I've been able to

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<v Speaker 6>listen here and there, and obviously like last week's episode

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<v Speaker 6>was super awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you the biggest fan? Just tell us you're the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest fan of the Scandal Latch podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm the biggest fan for sure, and huge fans of

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<v Speaker 6>you guys. I mean, I've this is a ridiculous story,

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<v Speaker 6>but both of you. I brought my mom out to

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<v Speaker 6>the Image Awards. This was during season three, and both

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<v Speaker 6>of you had very interesting interactions with her, and she

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<v Speaker 6>was we were at the dinner the night before and

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<v Speaker 6>Germo you kind of just on the way out like

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<v Speaker 6>sort of hit me on the back, and then she

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<v Speaker 6>was like, I have to meet him, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 6>oh God, like I don't I work with these people,

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<v Speaker 6>they're my colleagues. Like what I've but I like sprint

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<v Speaker 6>over as you're trying to leave, and I'm like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 6>my mom is gonna lose it. Please help me out.

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<v Speaker 6>Whatever you did it, and I felt so bad. There's

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<v Speaker 6>one hundred, one hundred and twenty people lined up at

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<v Speaker 6>that point. You were this close to being done. And

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<v Speaker 6>then I think I left. I think we left before you.

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<v Speaker 6>And then which was incredible. And then Katie, you came

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<v Speaker 6>over and talked to my mom for like thirty minutes. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>it was incredible, and then either we weren't.

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<v Speaker 5>We won that year?

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<v Speaker 2>I remember this.

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<v Speaker 5>This was incredible. We won that year?

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<v Speaker 6>We didn't when I can't remember, you guys were like

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<v Speaker 6>leaving early in the cast, was going to go to dinner,

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<v Speaker 6>and you guys, you came by again and you said

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<v Speaker 6>goodbye to me, and you said goodbye to my mom.

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<v Speaker 6>My mom looks at me. This is like an hour

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<v Speaker 6>after you had talked to her for thirty minutes. She goes,

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<v Speaker 6>who's that. I go, that's Quinn. We that's that's Katie.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh and then she goes, well, why didn't you introduce

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<v Speaker 6>to me earlier? And I know, are you kidding, lady?

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<v Speaker 2>Did? She does?

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<v Speaker 5>Not? Like?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, she just thought we were like friends.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, right, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean? Like she didn't find because.

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<v Speaker 6>We were just like catching up and Adam's there and whatever,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's like we're old friends. So I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>it zoned on her in the moment, but then after

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<v Speaker 6>you win something or you're with the rest of the cast,

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<v Speaker 6>then it was like, oh wow. But also I looked

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<v Speaker 6>in her notes and she was writing down everyone she met. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>and it wasn't in her phone or in her phone,

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<v Speaker 6>but it wasn't like Adris Elba. It was like guy

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<v Speaker 6>from the Wire right, like man from her yeah, third

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<v Speaker 6>man from Empire.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>But in her head she knew exactly who those people were.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, I know exactly who the guy, this

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<v Speaker 1>third guy from Empire is.

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<v Speaker 6>But the writer in me can't help but go to

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<v Speaker 6>the next part, which is when she's talking to her

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<v Speaker 6>sororities sources when she goes home. She doesn't say like

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<v Speaker 6>Terrence Howard. She just says like guy from Empire, right,

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<v Speaker 6>Like that's her list. She's just running down guy from Empire,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, little girl from Quel.

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<v Speaker 2>Proud of you, Like just take us really quickly, like

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<v Speaker 2>how did you get the scandal job? How did you

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<v Speaker 2>end up in Shondaland's universe and also was your mom?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because I feel like my parents when people

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<v Speaker 2>ask you what does your kid do and they tell

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<v Speaker 2>you you're an actor and they're like, okay, great, like

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<v Speaker 2>have I seen her in anything? And then when your

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<v Speaker 2>parents are able to drop the scandal bomb such a flex, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to hear your whole origin Shondaland story.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's a kind of an it's an interesting one

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<v Speaker 6>that is pretty linear, so it's not interesting that way,

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<v Speaker 6>just sort of the circumstance that sort of happened, which

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<v Speaker 6>is I went to USC. I mean, i'll spare you

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<v Speaker 6>sort of the other stuff, you know, working in the

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<v Speaker 6>mortgage business and destroying that business and then deciding I

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to.

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<v Speaker 5>Be in TV and film.

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<v Speaker 6>But I come and I go to USC crazy and

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<v Speaker 6>interestingly enough, Shonda gave me my diploma in two thousand

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<v Speaker 6>and nine. What like she was like the she was

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<v Speaker 6>like the ambassador for the writing program, and so she

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<v Speaker 6>gave out like the thirty diplomas to the writing students. Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 6>A ton of stuff goes by. I get a job

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<v Speaker 6>at the Image Awards. I'm just sort of like trying

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<v Speaker 6>to write, trying to figure out what the next year

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<v Speaker 6>is going to be. And then I did a couple

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<v Speaker 6>like fellowship things and crappy jobs, and then I got

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<v Speaker 6>a I got into the Disney Fellowship. So I was

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<v Speaker 6>one of the eight writers picked for that in twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's obviously amazing because you get they pay your

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<v Speaker 6>salary right and they're paying you a certain amount and

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<v Speaker 6>it was like fifty K, which at that point I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, oh my god, are you kidding. I remember

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<v Speaker 6>I bought a pair of glasses and I was like,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna buy a pair of two hundred dollars glasses.

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<v Speaker 5>I've made it, you know, that's big. That was amazing.

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<v Speaker 6>And then so then I you go up for these shows,

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<v Speaker 6>and I was up for a job on Private Practice,

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<v Speaker 6>and I met with these guys Craig and Steve Craig

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<v Speaker 6>Turk and Steve Blackman and then Hammer also Mark Wilding,

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<v Speaker 6>who was you know, worked with us on Scandal as well.

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<v Speaker 6>So I met with both of them for a job

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<v Speaker 6>on Grays Anatomy and Private Practice. So to meet with

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<v Speaker 6>my to bring it back to my mom, I call afterwards,

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<v Speaker 6>She's like, how did it go? And then I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, I think it went well, and she's like, god,

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<v Speaker 6>I really hope it's Great's anatomy. I'm like, okay, great.

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<v Speaker 6>So anyway, I get the job on Private Practice. I

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<v Speaker 6>called my mom and I'm like, hey, Mom, I got

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<v Speaker 6>the job on Private Practice. But I will say that's

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<v Speaker 6>the show I wanted for reasons that I just sort

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<v Speaker 6>of like Craze just felt like such a juggernaut at

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<v Speaker 6>that point, Like I just thought, like I just envisioned

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<v Speaker 6>like I'm going to get like eaten by a whale

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<v Speaker 6>or you know, I'm Charius with wax wings or something.

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<v Speaker 5>But it was just not going to end well.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, so Private was this incredibly awesome experience. And

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<v Speaker 6>I don't even know where I got the courage to say, did.

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<v Speaker 3>You start on right? Did you write Katie's episode?

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<v Speaker 5>Wait? Which one? Katie? Which one?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you Doatie is the lead guest star season four.

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<v Speaker 2>The premiere episode where I yep.

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<v Speaker 5>In the car you left the baby in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>I left that baby in the car to exphyxiate and die.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you wanted another baby and.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted another baby. And the director was what's his name?

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<v Speaker 2>Who directed scandal to help Oh god, god, you know

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<v Speaker 2>Tanker Tinker directed it and that was my first experience

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<v Speaker 2>in Shondalin too. Did you write on that episode?

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<v Speaker 6>I was definitely, I mean I was there that season.

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<v Speaker 6>I definitely didn't write the premiere. I'm sure that had

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<v Speaker 6>to be Shonda and one of the other head Honchos.

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<v Speaker 6>I was a staff writer at that point. I remember

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<v Speaker 6>that being a big story that we were really into

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<v Speaker 6>because that was that show was like moral like ethical debates. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>So you had come back to us and said you

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<v Speaker 6>want to have a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So then how do you go from private practice

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<v Speaker 2>to scandal?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>So I remember in season six and private was an awesome,

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<v Speaker 6>awesome experience with awesome, awesome people. And we got to

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<v Speaker 6>season six and I wrote I'd written an episode earlier

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<v Speaker 6>in the year, and then I wrote another episode like

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<v Speaker 6>episode six eleven, which was like two before we were done.

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<v Speaker 6>And I just remember at the table read Shonda like

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<v Speaker 6>walks by me and like goes like, we need to

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<v Speaker 6>talk about your future, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, my future, the future.

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<v Speaker 6>But I was excited about it, but really you're also

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<v Speaker 6>like what does future mean?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 6>Like that could be like you're done here right, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was like a.

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<v Speaker 6>Complete cycle and I was a complete psychopath about this.

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<v Speaker 6>I just was like I show up before everyone, and

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<v Speaker 6>I leave later than everyone. I was in like that

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<v Speaker 6>mode for sure, which would come as a shock to

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<v Speaker 6>my colleagues at Scandal over the like at the end

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<v Speaker 6>of our Scandal run, But at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Point you'd been doing fucking fourteen years. Yeah, you're just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fine.

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<v Speaker 6>So we go totally. And so then one day she like,

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<v Speaker 6>well I can picture it so clearly. She walks by

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<v Speaker 6>and she like pokes her in, but she continues on

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<v Speaker 6>to her office. Then she like kind of comes back

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<v Speaker 6>and then she sits down and she just goes, do

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<v Speaker 6>you want to go work on Scandal? And I think

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<v Speaker 6>I made some jokes that didn't didn't land, and I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, frankly though, terrified, like you know, in this business,

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<v Speaker 6>like you want to like make it. I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>how you guys felt like when you were on Scandal,

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<v Speaker 6>but like you want the train to start moving. But

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<v Speaker 6>then sometimes point you're like, oh, man, do I have

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<v Speaker 6>control of this?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 6>Like is it going to stop again? Am I going

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<v Speaker 6>to catch my bearings?

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<v Speaker 5>Right? Like?

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<v Speaker 6>Is this all moving too fast. So I was kind

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<v Speaker 6>of in my head like, oh crap, like whatever. We

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<v Speaker 6>all know the money is like never, never, ever enough.

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<v Speaker 6>But at the time, I'm like, I've made more money

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<v Speaker 6>than I ever thought I would make in my life,

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<v Speaker 6>Like I can't wait to chill, figure out what I

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<v Speaker 6>want to write, like take six months off, like I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know, like life something like that. And then you're

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<v Speaker 6>like that opportunity. I made some dumb joke and then

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<v Speaker 6>of course the answer was yes. The crazy part was

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<v Speaker 6>I had to like catch up real time. So the

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<v Speaker 6>last two weeks of Private Practice before we end, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>moving immediately to Scandal in mid season, right, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Guys, yeah, season two?

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<v Speaker 6>So you guys, Wow, I come, you've shot everything you

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<v Speaker 6>probably shot the first eight and season two, which is

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<v Speaker 6>when the show is like, oh wow, skyrocketing out of

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<v Speaker 6>control or not.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what's.

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<v Speaker 6>Aired yet, so I don't know if we were like

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<v Speaker 6>in like hit zone on the area or if.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys you were talking like the storylines.

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<v Speaker 5>The storyline.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm like, there's you know, there's robot guns, hawks,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, accues of this and whatever. I'm like, Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 6>I was writing a doctor show about like who left

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<v Speaker 6>a baby in a car and we're going to get

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<v Speaker 6>someone another baby, and like doctors are like making out

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit, you know, like who's going to touch

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<v Speaker 6>you tonight? On private Practice. It's like all sort of

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<v Speaker 6>like fun and wonderful and I love it. And then

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like like, oh no, this is so intense, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>so we have to read them back to back to back.

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<v Speaker 6>We get to episode ten and you guys are having

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<v Speaker 6>the writer's table read for episode ten, which is of

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<v Speaker 6>course like an infamous, notorious, amazing episode of Scandal in

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<v Speaker 6>which Tony I believe that's one where you know, chokes Verna.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened?

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<v Speaker 5>But he kills he kills Verna.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh shit, that's a great one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So I go in and I go hey, I email

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<v Speaker 6>Sean and I say, is it okay if I come

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<v Speaker 6>to the writer's table read? Otherwise I know the scripts

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<v Speaker 6>aren't distributed. I'm like, I have to be caught up

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<v Speaker 6>for when I get in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you might as well come to the read. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So I come to the read with the writers only though,

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<v Speaker 6>so I'm meeting the writer.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone listened to this. This is new knowledge for this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>which I didn't find out till later, Jada, did you

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<v Speaker 2>know this that they would do a writer's table read

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<v Speaker 2>where they would play our parts before we would get

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<v Speaker 2>the script. Are you seriously serious? Like Jenna Bands one

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<v Speaker 2>of the wonderful writers I was going to like always

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<v Speaker 2>read Quinn. I didn't know this until like season two

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<v Speaker 2>or three or Jenna was like, oh, what the writer's

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<v Speaker 2>table I was like, what the what the fuck is

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<v Speaker 2>the writer's table read? But it's like every writer, like

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, Jess Brownell always played Quinn I

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<v Speaker 2>think too in later years, like they would read it

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<v Speaker 2>amongst themselves to see like what was working or not

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<v Speaker 2>before we got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Who played Hu? Who played.

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<v Speaker 5>I Can?

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<v Speaker 6>In the later seasons, Wan did a lot of Huck

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<v Speaker 6>I think nice for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Mon Carlos, who was our.

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<v Speaker 6>Script cordinator for for an incredibly long time the early seasons,

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<v Speaker 6>I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>To do Joe? Didn't you do Papa Pope?

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<v Speaker 6>I did a lot of Joe stuff over the course

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<v Speaker 6>of my time there, But you really had to get

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<v Speaker 6>into it, you know, and like it was like you really,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, this is something that like I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 6>guys have talked about on the show too, and watching

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<v Speaker 6>this episode, I felt the same way, which is like

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<v Speaker 6>the passion that you guys had at the table and

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<v Speaker 6>then every single thing. I mean I used to say

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<v Speaker 6>to Joe sometimes to be like, oh my god, thank

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<v Speaker 6>you for making that sound normal or making that sound

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<v Speaker 6>like it was something that was like profound because like

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<v Speaker 6>you're writing and going like oh no, and we we

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<v Speaker 6>are not. You guys were just sort of insular, insecure writers,

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<v Speaker 6>so like it's a lot to really like sell it.

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<v Speaker 6>But at the same time, like part of what made

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<v Speaker 6>the scripts alive too was everything was sort of a

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<v Speaker 6>cell job, not a cell job in like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Mad way, but you had to commit. If you didn't commit,

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't commit to the situation, in the circumstance

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<v Speaker 2>with what you've got, like it fell flat and you

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<v Speaker 2>guys can't put it just sort of A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other shows have been on at the table reads, like

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<v Speaker 2>actors sort of like happy mumbling like I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know if the Fu's going on the relationship. I swear

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<v Speaker 2>to god, these scane table reads and it sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>these writers reads they were like a fucking broadly Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they were playing for like a three hundred seat fucking audience,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>Would you reads? Did they tape your reads for you guys?

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<v Speaker 4>It?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it would be an interesting exercise for absolutely no

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<v Speaker 6>one to do this. But if you guys saw the

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<v Speaker 6>scripts that we read for uh, you know, with Shanda,

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<v Speaker 6>for Shonda, they would be so different than what you

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<v Speaker 6>guys got. And then eventually what made it to air.

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<v Speaker 6>You guys know that we were sort of always working,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, yeah, and so did they tape them?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 6>And frankly, we were just not at the caliber, of

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<v Speaker 6>course of what you guys were doing. But we just

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<v Speaker 6>tried our best and it was just fun to write.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd pay to see your Joe Moore, pay to see

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<v Speaker 2>your Papa Hope. Okay, so wait, so Seana lets you

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<v Speaker 2>into the writer's room on the big Verna death episode. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and what happens we read this?

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<v Speaker 6>I am I must be sweating, like I must be

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<v Speaker 6>visibly sweating, just like being like I'm just completely like,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just like this is so insane, I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 6>And then all I remember, like so in my cold sweat.

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<v Speaker 6>They get to the end and it's just like this

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<v Speaker 6>table red does crack, right, like these guys like it's

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<v Speaker 6>a crazy episode. Everyone sells it, everyone seems really happy

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<v Speaker 6>about it. And then on the way out at the door,

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<v Speaker 6>she's like, so what do you think? And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 6>what is the right answer here? And I was just

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<v Speaker 6>like all I could come up with was like basically like, damn,

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<v Speaker 6>that's crazy, Like that's.

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<v Speaker 5>All I got. So now I can tell you.

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<v Speaker 6>I go back to private practice that day to like

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<v Speaker 6>finish work there, and I'm like talking to all the

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<v Speaker 6>writers there and I'm like, I am going crazy. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not going to be able to do this. This is

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<v Speaker 6>so out of my league, like just sort of not

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<v Speaker 6>out of my league, but like just sort of like

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<v Speaker 6>different than just this. It didn't feel like it. And

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<v Speaker 6>then so they're just like, it's December. I started in December.

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<v Speaker 6>They're like, it's December. You'll just like go there. It's

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<v Speaker 6>two weeks before Christmas. Break you like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 6>know how to like pitch shit, you know how to

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<v Speaker 6>like whatever, get to know everyone see what the vibe

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<v Speaker 6>is like, it's the train is already moving.

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<v Speaker 5>They already know what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 6>I show up day one, walking to the room, I

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<v Speaker 6>turned the corner and Mark fishes standing there. He's like, oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 6>I heard you were coming. I'm like, oh yeah, my

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<v Speaker 6>name's I here. It's nice to me. He was like

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<v Speaker 6>so happy to have you here. We you know, we

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<v Speaker 6>really need to use your brain since we don't have

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<v Speaker 6>anything broken for the back half.

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<v Speaker 5>And you're like, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 7>Shit, and you're like literally, I know, and you're just

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<v Speaker 7>sort of like, oh, I thought it was chow for

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<v Speaker 7>two weeks and then the next day with basically like

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<v Speaker 7>everyone come in with your conspiracy for the back half,

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<v Speaker 7>and like conspiracy, I'm like, I don't know, like a

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know a baby was born at twenty six

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<v Speaker 7>weeks and I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, Like that's gonna work here.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so crazy. I for the listeners, yeah, all

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<v Speaker 2>the listeners, Like, I think we've touched on this before,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's so great to have to hear on this.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, Scandal is so different than I think how

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<v Speaker 2>other episodic TV shows go. Where they would start a

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<v Speaker 2>season and like the whole season is broken, right, like

0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, the general arc for everybody's character, all the

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<v Speaker 2>big beats you're going to pay, you know, see, and

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<v Speaker 2>this it's just really about getting me a to B

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<v Speaker 2>two seed on Scandal. The reason I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>show felt so like gun to your head OMG moments

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<v Speaker 2>is because you guys were figuring them out in real

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<v Speaker 2>time correct deadlines.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, I'm always look, look, we definitely knew

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, we definitely knew big stuff, right, Like, there

0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:54.479
<v Speaker 6>was stuff that we sort of talked about, and there

0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:55.959
<v Speaker 6>were things that were sort of in the air, and

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<v Speaker 6>some you know, directors from Shonda and vice versa that

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<v Speaker 6>were kind of you tried to lean towards those, right,

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, a lot of it did was super organic,

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<v Speaker 6>and a lot of it felt like responsive in a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of ways, and a lot of it was just

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.720
<v Speaker 6>sort of like coming up with the best idea and

0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.959
<v Speaker 6>one thing that works incredibly. Like in addition to you

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<v Speaker 6>guys really just being super talented and committed to everything,

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<v Speaker 6>was that room was like forgetting the crazy, like the

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<v Speaker 6>story and the type of story we're doing, and it's

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<v Speaker 6>just sort of like thrillery, fast paced thing and we're

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<v Speaker 6>doing eighty scenes and crazy stuff. You know, the talent

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<v Speaker 6>in that room, right, Like, I mean, Jenna and I

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<v Speaker 6>want to hear about that, and Alan and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>Hammer and Mark Fish and you know, Paul Chris, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>like like we're talking about like eight nine show runners

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<v Speaker 6>right who were going to go on to run the shows,

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<v Speaker 6>and so like Heather, you know what I mean, Like like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just under there talking about such heavy hitters, where

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<v Speaker 2>like there was no everybody, there were no brilliant in

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<v Speaker 2>their own right, and every writer in there was capable

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<v Speaker 2>of having eight thousand shows than their own brain. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it was. So it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 6>Super talented, not a bad writer in the bunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain to our listeners that Scandal also wasn't written like

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<v Speaker 2>even though there was somebody's name on each episode, is

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<v Speaker 2>Scandal different from other shows? And that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>episodes were like a group effort, like you take a scene,

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<v Speaker 2>you take a scene, you take a scene or was

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<v Speaker 2>it not like that? And I'm remembering incorrectly.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I don't know how much of this is the

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<v Speaker 6>public of knowledge or whatever. Absolutely, I'll say absolutely in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of comparing it to the other shows I've worked on,

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<v Speaker 6>one thousand percent, far and away the most collaborative show

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<v Speaker 6>I've worked on.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so cool. God, it sounds like your writer's room

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<v Speaker 2>was like kind of similar to our cast, which is

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<v Speaker 2>so interesting and for all of you guys too, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>so you would have your own office, each writer had

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<v Speaker 2>their own office, and then you would have like a

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<v Speaker 2>group like living room out room. Am I making this up?

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<v Speaker 2>Or was it a conference table?

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<v Speaker 3>Like are you?

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<v Speaker 2>And then would you gather every day and like break

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<v Speaker 2>it together and then like go off to your own

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<v Speaker 2>offices and then like is that I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about this world at all.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh well, it's different on every show, And just going

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<v Speaker 6>back to what I was saying before, it is, without question,

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<v Speaker 6>this was the most collaborative environment that I worked in.

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<v Speaker 6>But by and large, I've only only twice have I

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<v Speaker 6>worked in conference table writers rooms, and they just make

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<v Speaker 6>me out. I'm a big like just like couch an

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<v Speaker 6>individual table thing. I'm also like a little bit of

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<v Speaker 6>like a psychotic have to be in the same seat.

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<v Speaker 6>I can't concentrate if I Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>It's weird, but I get that.

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<v Speaker 6>But so we have a writer's room, so we have

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<v Speaker 6>obviously we have our offices, and then we have a

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<v Speaker 6>writer's room. Scandal was a hugely room heavy show. So

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<v Speaker 6>we were there in the room, you know, anywhere between

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<v Speaker 6>six to ten hours more sometimes and we did everything together.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder you were so fucking keeping track of these

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<v Speaker 1>times lines and fucking just the storylines and everything right

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<v Speaker 1>like that, the research because it was even hard for

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<v Speaker 1>us to keep track. We would do scenes and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, Katie, I don't know, like what what has

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<v Speaker 1>happened to?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what's happening each other?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 6>If someone said to me, explain one conspiracy from scandal

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<v Speaker 6>beginning to end right now, and I'll give you like

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<v Speaker 6>five million, right, I really do it? Yeah, they to

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<v Speaker 6>kidnapp your entire quin, are going to kidnap your entire

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<v Speaker 6>family and torture them, But you're nothing. Give me the

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<v Speaker 6>Mole storyline beginning to end accurately, I'd be like, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 6>my god, no idea the Mole.

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<v Speaker 2>We just went through that, and I was like, what,

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<v Speaker 2>there's thorn Gate, there's thorn Gate, there's Mole. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>war of a of a made up country that I

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<v Speaker 2>can't cash bar cash bar, Like how did you make up? Also?

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<v Speaker 2>How did you come it? Oh my god, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about this episode, but I'm like obsessed with that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so interesting to like how you made up.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember we who made up like the like Gettysburger,

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<v Speaker 2>or like a staple right, or like the Beaujolais wine,

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>which is a bullshit name of a wine. Like these

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<v Speaker 2>were things that I'm like, who the fuck made this

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<v Speaker 2>shit up?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the as much as we've talked about how awesome

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<v Speaker 6>the job is, the job is like really hard also,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's like a lot of pressure, as I've sort

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<v Speaker 6>of talked about, So I think a lot of what

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:34.640
<v Speaker 6>we did was you are entertaining one another who you

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<v Speaker 6>your brothers and sisters who are like sort of living

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<v Speaker 6>with every day. So I used to remember like who

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<v Speaker 6>did what? Like even watching this episode, I can kind

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<v Speaker 6>of be like, oh, I remember who wrote the scene

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<v Speaker 6>or you know, whatever the case may be, Oh for sure,

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.160
<v Speaker 6>and who came up with this pitch? And names were

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<v Speaker 6>the way that we always entertained one another, Like even

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 6>in the episode three ten, there's some like her her

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<v Speaker 6>one of her aliases is like Margo Bouvier and I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, yeah, I know that was a joke. I

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 6>don't know who was the mag laugh, but like whatever,

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<v Speaker 6>So Gettysburger, I don't know, but it's usually like what

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 6>happens is if if we go off to write, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and you come back and someone as a scene, they'll

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<v Speaker 6>just have it in the scene, and it's just something

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 6>that when we do the writer's table, everyone goes, you know,

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 6>like just loses their mind sticks and you're like whatever, yeah,

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 6>or it's something that you know, China comes back to

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 6>the room with and she'll say and it sticks, and

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 6>it's just you kind of know what those moments are

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<v Speaker 6>going to be, and then a lot of the things

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 6>surprise you with Scandal, so it really was like again

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<v Speaker 6>like super collaborative, like some of the big stuff like

0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 6>thinking about like Maya chewing her arms off or you

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<v Speaker 6>know whatever to get out of prison two episodes before,

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<v Speaker 6>you're like, I can remember so clearly how he came

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<v Speaker 6>up with that. And again it's just again the sort

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<v Speaker 6>of like organic semi organic, because there is the gun

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<v Speaker 6>of the deadline to your head, but it's in a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of I hate to say stuff like this, but

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<v Speaker 6>like in a lot of ways, it just felt like magic.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we will be back with more after the break.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there like your top three moments that you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you either wrote or you know co wrote very

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<v Speaker 2>more like more like they were a scene heavy that

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<v Speaker 2>you really touched with your talent that you're so proud of.

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<v Speaker 6>Is my mom? What did my mom think of Scandal?

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<v Speaker 6>She loved Scandal, and I think she loved you know

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<v Speaker 6>that the cachet that.

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<v Speaker 4>It brought her.

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<v Speaker 6>At home, my dad was always like kind of played

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<v Speaker 6>this role of like I don't watch that, Like why

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<v Speaker 6>the man's the president of the United States and he's

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<v Speaker 6>willing to give all that up for her, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>like he just was in like super masculine.

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<v Speaker 5>That's realistic. That's not realistic, you wouldn't do that. Then

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<v Speaker 5>I went home one.

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<v Speaker 6>Time and I was out of the room and my

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 6>dad's phone just kept going off, and I'm like, this

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 6>is so annoying, this is so annoying, Like why isn't

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 6>this man here old people who leave their ringer on,

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 6>Like why can't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Just be onside of it?

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:52.880
<v Speaker 6>And then I go over to finally shut it off,

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 6>and it just is an alarm for Scandal. So like

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<v Speaker 6>she would remind himself too much, So he would pretend

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<v Speaker 6>to me that he didn't watch, but then he.

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<v Speaker 3>Was like, I gotta watch my son show.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And so in terms of like the things and I'll

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<v Speaker 6>just sort of say the things I'm proud of.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, you know, think of the episodes.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't even have to be a moment, right, I

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 6>mean everything in the lawn Chair is like obviously like

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 6>the fact that we pulled that together. You know, everything

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 6>about that episode. I'm so grateful for, you know, my

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 6>own contributions and Cornelius coming into the show and that

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 6>episode and the speech of the on that episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, So here's episode Like that episode is one of

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the all time greatest, most prolific, and we are having

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you back on it will be you and Courtney b

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Vance who are here. This is so so interesting. I'm

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>so interested in this, Like I can't even tell you,

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 2>but we're going to talk about three ten really quick,

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<v Speaker 2>because I know you were on set and I know

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 2>you remember a lot of this episode and you watched.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you're the greatest. Okay, we are talking

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<v Speaker 2>today about episode three ten, a door Marked Exit, which

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<v Speaker 2>aired on December twelfth, twenty thirteen, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It was written by Zahir McGhee and directed by Tom Vericka,

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<v Speaker 1>The Tom Verica.

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<v Speaker 2>It was guest starring Candy Alexander Asmya Lewis, Julia cho Is,

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<v Speaker 2>Shelby moss.

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Erica Schaeffer's anchor, and Paul Adostein as Leo Bergen.

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<v Speaker 2>And how do you feel about reading in scandalpace?

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we'll ask our guests if they want to read

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the synopsis and scandal pasce do not feel pressure. Me

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and Katie fuck it up all the time, but sometimes

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>it's fun. Something you could say no and we'll read

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<v Speaker 1>it like it's all good.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm happy to give it a try.

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<v Speaker 5>This will be.

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<v Speaker 2>Embarrassing, Yeah, try here here, Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>All right.

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<v Speaker 6>As Olivia races to learn everything she can about her

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<v Speaker 6>mother's past in the Plane Land, Cyrus works to cover

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<v Speaker 6>up Sally Lankson's the Murderous Night, Fitz has plans of

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<v Speaker 6>his own when he kidnaps Elive Pope to get information

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<v Speaker 6>about the plane, but Olivia is the one to deliver

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 6>the news her dad was tricked by my into having

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 6>fits destroy the plane. And even more and even more

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 6>information is revealed when NSA. When an NSA couder brings

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 6>a recording of Sally and to David Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>The way I've done it, then two paid actors over,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes that was? And why there isn't a tape of

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<v Speaker 2>you doing the writers fucking read through his playing top

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>of hope is upsetting there? Who tell me? I honestly

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>think just breaking down. Like favorite moments of this episode.

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I think Sally Langston's monologues and fucking fight with Daniel

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Douglas is like the best theater acting I've ever seen,

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>like in my life, Like she's screaming and then she's

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>like she is un believed.

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to know who the writer is that wrote that,

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Who is the demented? Like that is hate filled soul

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and spirit that he tapped.

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Into that like Piggy pig Like, who's ridiculous?

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 6>God, I do remember all this. I think fry little Piggy,

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 6>Pry Piggy. He was Matt Burne for sure. And then

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 6>this is the first one I really don't remember. I

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 6>mean I usually defaulted in these areas when they're in

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 6>when it's incredible, and I can't remember that. Obviously it

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 6>was Shonda so but also what made that sick right

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 6>is the editing right, Like the way that that's sort

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 6>of edited is incredible. And I remember watching Matt Ramsey

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 6>was our editor who cut this episode. It was with

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 6>you know, he worked on private practice, and he worked

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 6>in Shona Land for incredibly long time. And I remember

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 6>after the table read, Shanda just said to him, like,

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 6>can we make it like kind of weird? Like she

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 6>like they had a shorthand about like he kind of knew.

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 6>And he also had the you know, carte blanche in

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 6>some ways to make something that was like a little

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 6>bit like you were really seeing that that kind of

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 6>stuff on broadcast TV.

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Like that first it was filmic. It was it was

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>like a movie.

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I was just saying really quickly, Like in the opening scene,

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>there were shots of like Sally Langston's feet, like her

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 1>taking her shoes off, and then you would hear dialogue

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>and they would cut to a close up of their

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>face but they weren't talking, and it was it was

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>just so so interesting.

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, that camera work was ridiculous.

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Oliver is so great. We have to have Oliver on.

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>We will, I'm sure at some point.

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we have to have him on. I mean you,

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>we have to have him on.

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 6>It looks so good, it's edited so good, and the

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 6>performances are so insane, and the writing is so good.

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 6>And what I loved about sort of all the scenes

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 6>in the show. And this was like indicato of the

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 6>right of the bat, which is like it's never like

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 6>a one person says there's whatever and the other person

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 6>comes back or they kill It's like it's like you

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 6>think it can't go any higher, right, Like you think

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 6>you can't possibly get any more, And like the part

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 6>I love she said the thing like you're my original sin,

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 6>Like you are stupid. What you have given me is

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 6>a daughter who can't keep her legs closed.

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 5>Oh shit, like about our own daughter, Yeah, about her

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 5>own toter.

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 6>You're well, you can't, you can't top that. And then

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 6>she's like, I can't wait until you try to judge

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 6>for your lives. But then he comes back with something right,

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 6>So it's like two like opponents. The scenes are always

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 6>like these two opponents who are going back and forth,

0:32:58.000 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 6>and it leads to that thing like I just thought

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 6>she was just so good in the entire episode, and

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 6>I'm also like good. Can you imagine having drinking every time?

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 6>There was a biblical reference in this episode, Oh.

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 2>My god, alcohol poisoning. You would need to have your

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 2>stomach palms, you would be at a hospital and you

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 2>would be dead. It was unbelievable. Speaking about the alcohol,

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 2>we always talk about we have to talk about the scenes,

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 2>but we always talk about eating and actors'ing our favorite

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 2>And in this episode, I was like, there's a scene

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Olivia Pope is literalus. I used to be like, wow,

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 2>they really make fun of Olivia Pope drinking like really

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 2>big wine glasses, And in this episode was the first

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 2>time that we're like, that's the biggest fucking red wine

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>glass I have ever seen. Like it was a goblet.

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>It was absolutely ridiculous, and you know it was delicious

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 2>grape juice. Okay, here what other scenes in this episode

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 2>just stick out to you? Performance wise?

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 5>I can't.

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 6>I could not stop watching Jeff just like bounce around things,

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 6>like he's just like just and even the just the

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 6>number of things yes today, Like can you guys sort

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 6>of highlight the scene with him and Melly is like

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 6>so incredible, But just when he comes in and brings

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 6>the doctor in, like it's almost like born like insane comedy,

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 6>Like just he's so good and so tense.

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>And it's honestly like a farce or something.

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>He feels like so crazy and.

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 6>You can watch when she's like he's like Sally, do

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.879
<v Speaker 6>you think Daniel Douglas wants this? And you can see

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 6>like he's about to explode if she doesn't do this.

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 6>That was really incredible, I thought. I mean, I also

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 6>had worked with him so long in private practice that like,

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 6>I just loved Paul in everything.

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>We believe that Leo Bergen is Leobergen for me personally

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 2>is one of my all time favorite Scandal characters, fucking

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 2>hands down, and he is. He's my one of my

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>favorite lines in this when he says when he says

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>he says something to Sally that's like, yeah.

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he just well he he susses it out right,

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.440
<v Speaker 6>like she screams, you know, Danga Douglas is a sodomite,

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 6>and he's like, oh crap.

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 5>He's like you you killed him.

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you killed him, and like that I remember, I

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 6>can't remember who pitched it, but I remember it being

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 6>like he's excited, like we can fix this, we can

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.919
<v Speaker 6>we can still win. And so then he's like, yeah,

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 6>you called the White House, like your sin is not

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 6>the murder, your sin I mean, and that's like, no,

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 6>the sin is that you didn't give me the opportunity

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 6>to win this cleanly. If you had just called me,

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 6>I would control the situation right because he knows where

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 6>the power lies. And then you were scenes you guys together,

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 6>particularly when you come back, and he sort of that's.

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 2>One of my cringe moments. That's one of my cringe moments.

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Cringe moments, oh, because it's so hard to watch this

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.720
<v Speaker 2>show when you're like the baby and the idiot, because

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>you're like literally like on a show with Jeff Perry

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and fucking Kate Burton doing like Oscar Tony Olivier Award

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Guiermo Diaz, like it's ridiculous. It should be reigning awards

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 2>on the acting level. And then I come in and

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 2>was like, I used to be normal. I think I

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 2>was worried about my highlight.

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 8>And I.

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Remember shooting about that scene, which is so great. He's

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 2>talking about a scene where I come back to a

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>hotel room. Charlie and I are living in a hotel room,

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and I remember I had to be in bron underwear.

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Always was stressful, and Tom Jerika was so great. He

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 2>was like, just put your knees up and we're going

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 2>to make it look so like I was basically hidden.

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 2>It was great, Like I wasn't my broad underwear, but

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.319
<v Speaker 2>like eight nobody saw it, which was great. Okay, so

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I was cringe worthy for me. Oh who would come

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 2>up with the titles of the episodes?

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's a good question.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 6>Oh that was another free for all. That was like

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 6>we would reel up with and I can't remember, like

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 6>roughly writers. I don't know if it was writer's table. Yeah, writer,

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 6>because you guys always had titles at the.

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Table, right, yes, always, If.

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:52.959
<v Speaker 6>You always had titles at the table, then usually once

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:57.280
<v Speaker 6>we would turn in a writer's draft or the second

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 6>the second writer's draft, we would then sort of sit

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 6>around and talk about the titles, and I'm yeah, I'm

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 6>trying to think, like everyone sort of came up with

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:10.359
<v Speaker 6>a few. I think Chris was someone that always sort

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 6>of like we thought about, like came up with like

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:14.320
<v Speaker 6>good titles on the fly, and some people sort of

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 6>would sort of relinquish that, like people like Paul I

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 6>have no interest in coming.

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Up with that impossible. I can't come up with a

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>fucking title. That's impuzzible, and the titles are so funny, like.

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Girl, I can't One.

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 6>Of the secrets was trying to figure out the line, right,

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 6>so a door marked exit or a Molley You and

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 6>Danger Girl, right, like, these are all lines that are

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 6>in the episode. So that was the starting place. Was

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.240
<v Speaker 6>kind of trying to predict like what is the viral line,

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 6>Like I don't know if you guys used to need

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 6>the sort of recaps, but like in Vulture or a

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 6>v club, like they would do like a line of

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 6>the week, and like, I don't know, like it was

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 6>awesome if that was your.

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 5>Line, right, like, so.

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 2>How great would that be?

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 6>That's sort of like how titles it would initially go

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 6>to trying to figure out, like what's the line in

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 6>the episode that like Shondall connect with or that the

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 6>audience is going to connect with.

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:10.239
<v Speaker 2>And it was so like, you know, not that it's

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 2>like pop cultuy, but it's just so like perfect, like

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 2>like tweetable or digestible or like it just nails it.

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just so fucking.

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.320
<v Speaker 6>Some of the backfire I did. One of the episodes

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 6>that had my name on it was an episode You

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.839
<v Speaker 6>Got Served, which was like everyone, you guys, like all

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 6>the subpoenas at the beginning, but in the end of

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 6>the cut there no one actually got subpoenaed. So that's

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 6>sort of like it's a reference to something.

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, this makes no sense.

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 2>So funny, Okay. I just think Candy Alexander is the

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 2>most beautiful looking end moment where in the wind and

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 2>we find out she's really the scary one and she's

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 2>the bad guy and all this stuff, and then she

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>picks up her phone and she's like and she's like

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Olivia's like mom, and she's just in this fucking amazing

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 2>French coat hair. She's like, I see soon, baby, or

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 2>something like that. And then she just throws away the

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 2>burner phone in the trash can and she walks away

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and you realize that she's standing in front of the

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 2>White House.

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 6>Yes, yeah, I will say that that's like an odd

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 6>place to make that phone call, I think if you're

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 6>sort of wanted.

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 1>But I would have smashed that phone up before throwing

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 1>it in the garbage, right, I would have thrown it

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>in the water, not just like she like chucks it

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:29.760
<v Speaker 1>open into the garbage.

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean scandal that people had to just sort of buy.

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 2>I remember people used to be like, there's no way

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 2>that if you're in DuPont Circle that you can get

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 2>to the Pentagon next scene and just watch the show.

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Television it's fine.

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 6>That's the one where it's also like we were good

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 6>at taking sort of irrational logic in one episode and

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 6>then making it make sense later, So like we never

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 6>did anything like that. You say that, I go, you

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 6>said you didn't smash a cell phone. If someone said

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:02.839
<v Speaker 6>that in the room, we might say, like three episodes later,

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 6>it should be like, well, actually she didn't smash it

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 6>because she wanted someone to go to that spot because

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:08.800
<v Speaker 6>of the pocket.

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 5>You would have made it work, you know, in a way.

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:17.359
<v Speaker 6>And and and a lot of questionable ideas in all

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 6>of television and on this show have been recovered with

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:24.280
<v Speaker 6>some some forward logic, some some some some corrective logic.

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I just always was so blown away at how And

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's because the writing was so

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:32.479
<v Speaker 2>great or because our acting was so great, but I

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>was always so blown away by like you guys doing

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>making some ship up and and then people just all

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>buying it, Like I'd like it's literally like I.

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Just like, I like they bought that ship. Yeah, I

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:46.799
<v Speaker 3>mean it was.

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Always sinker, you know what I mean, Like like it's

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.320
<v Speaker 2>just crazy, Like it's just so wild.

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.439
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's a testament again to the show, and

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:00.120
<v Speaker 6>and what sort of people were attracted to in the beginning,

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 6>and what Shonda created, and also what you guys bought,

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:06.359
<v Speaker 6>which is like Kerry and Olivia Pope were such compelling characters, right,

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 6>and then you guys come and you like really sort

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 6>of like own these characters and bring them to life

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 6>where you care about you know, Huck in this, you

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:15.959
<v Speaker 6>care about a murderer who's willing to torture as best

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 6>friend in this incredibly compelling way. And so I think

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 6>that that, I mean, that's ultimately what people care about

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 6>in television, right, Like do they really care about the

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 6>how and the why? I mean, of course they do

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 6>in certain shows like but this also, you know, this

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 6>wasn't Law and Order, and I don't know that what

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 6>they're doing isn't ridiculous either, but as long as it

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 6>sort of feels real and sort of the emotion always

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 6>felt real to me, you know, like like Jeff didn't

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 6>crazy did insane things. You guys both did insane things

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 6>on the show, but it all made sense.

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Like there's nothing Cyrus didn't take it make sense to me,

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 3>do you know what I mean?

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 6>Like, you know it's insane right in this episode it's

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 6>insane to pimp out your husband so that you can

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 6>get this guy in trouble so that you can then

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 6>get Sally off. It's his back so you can win

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 6>in an election, right, and then.

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of hot.

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 6>It's gotta and the fact that you have the nerve

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.360
<v Speaker 6>afterwards to be like, we're really mad about it, like

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean, Like boyfriend said, yeah, yeah.

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 4>And not get pictures.

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 6>There's no way you guys remember the table read for this,

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 6>but there is an entire story missing that we read

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 6>at the table that doesn't exist in the show.

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 5>Really yeah, So I remember.

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:25.799
<v Speaker 6>This very clearly, and I remember when we cut it,

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 6>and then I went back to look at the writer's

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:33.359
<v Speaker 6>draft to see and in addition to everything crazy stuff

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 6>that ocurds in this episode, there was also a B

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 6>six thirteen origin story that told you about Joe's origin.

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Get up right now and go fucking pitch that. Remember

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:48.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm available of July.

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm available right now, me your most.

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Holy Joe, George, George Newborn, and whoever the fuck else

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 2>you want, we are available.

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 1>And do you remembers show We used the daydream on

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:03.919
<v Speaker 1>set of Scandal that they would do a spin off

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 1>called of B six thirteen, and we would all continue

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 1>on after Scandal.

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Because shooting that stuff, Like we loved being at the

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Acne Acne paper. We loved being this.

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.919
<v Speaker 5>Like wonderland, wonderful.

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Part of Like, Oh, I thought my acting was good

0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 2>at that part. I thought I did good. When I

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 2>was digging the out of my two that was so

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 2>difficult to.

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 6>I mean just also thinking about the range of stuff

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.400
<v Speaker 6>you're doing right, Like you go from like you're getting

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:36.239
<v Speaker 6>tortured to like you're having this vulnerable moment with Charlie too.

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 6>You're cleaning up a body like you cleaned up the

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:39.799
<v Speaker 6>Daniel Douglas Daily.

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I am so versatile, you sup.

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:46.040
<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back, guys.

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Were you guys ever worried? Like, oh shit, Like if

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Carrie Olivia Pope murders the vice president with the chair,

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 2>like will we like were there?

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 8>No?

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, were you thwhack? Was that the name of

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 2>it the episode?

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 8>Like?

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Were you ever? Like how are fans like our fans

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 2>and gladiators going to cross her? Like will they not

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>be on Olivia Pop's side or were you Like no,

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 2>they We've got them in the possible.

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 3>I still love her. Yeah, yeah, you.

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 6>I mean as Quinn really didn't cross o Pa or

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 6>Olivia at all, but you can, like you looked in

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 6>her email one time, and like the fans are like,

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 6>oh my god, she crossed them.

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Kill her, death threats, death threats. If you're not with Olivia,

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>you're dead, right.

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 6>So it's about being with Olivia, so we can justify

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:48.480
<v Speaker 6>what Olivia does. So no, I don't think that there

0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 6>was ever. I mean, look, okay, well how do we

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 6>justify that she's going to kill a man in a

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:56.440
<v Speaker 6>wheelchair because he was in a wheelchair, remember, right? And

0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 6>but he really he said some crazy things to Olivia, right,

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 6>He like called her like a horror and this and

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 6>that whatever, and she just had enough. So I think

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.840
<v Speaker 6>once you say that to Olivia Pope, the fans are like,

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:08.919
<v Speaker 6>how about it.

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Kill that motherfucker?

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't care, bye, I mean wow, okay, okay, wait,

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.800
<v Speaker 2>we have to talk about because we have Tony on too.

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Tell me about the Tony Eye. I'm so uncomfortable in

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.359
<v Speaker 2>the Joe Morton Tony Goldwyn opening of that scene because

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 2>he says how good Olivia is and what she tastes, like,

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.479
<v Speaker 2>are you joking? You say that to her father.

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Who about that scene?

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 6>God, I wish I knew who wrote that, But I

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:41.239
<v Speaker 6>will say, like, just like I was saying before, like

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.720
<v Speaker 6>everything is to the highest degree, like the like Sally

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 6>talking about like she can't keep her legs closed or

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 6>all the you know, when Cyrus is like, you know,

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 6>says to James like that baby that I bought for you.

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 6>It's talking about his own daughter, and he's like, that

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:54.480
<v Speaker 6>baby that I bought for you, that's in the next room.

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 6>So if everyone on the show always went for the jugular, right,

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 6>like there were always the sharpest, the meanest, right, and

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 6>then as writers, you have to be the sharpest the meanest,

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 6>so you're looking to like one up the person on

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 6>the next scene and be like how can you do

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 6>that thing? So it's funny rewatching that scene, which is incredible,

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 6>and like obviously that's just like probably the most iconic

0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 6>scene to come out of this episode, I think as

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 6>far as like I.

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Think he wanted me. We were talking about he won.

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 5>This episodemi this year. Yeah, you guys delivered.

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:25.280
<v Speaker 4>In back to back.

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>And then Joe Morton how many and just we win

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>a wait none? Oh wait, oh wait, we want nothing anyway,

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 1>go aheads the year. He's so freaking good in that chair.

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, he's so good in the chair.

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 6>And it does feel like it was the only thing,

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:45.280
<v Speaker 6>like thinking back to it, it's really the only leg

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 6>that that fits as a characterized to stand on it.

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 6>And it's also like kind of goes with where Joe

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 6>goes with the scene later, which is it's just sort

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 6>of like juvenile, right, like you went the expected route,

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:56.839
<v Speaker 6>like and you went for the thing that you think

0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 6>is going to hurt me the most. But like like

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 6>like Joe Morton just sort of can't be touched. But

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.360
<v Speaker 6>I think Tony plays it really well, and he obviously

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:05.799
<v Speaker 6>comes back at the end of the episode and sort

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 6>of pushes him out his command. But that scene I

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 6>was on set for the rehearsal, right, I mean it

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 6>was on set the entire time. But Tom's directing it,

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 6>we're watching it, we're in the rehearsal. This is exactly

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:18.799
<v Speaker 6>what happens. He does the entire thing pretty much as

0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 6>it is in the thing.

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 3>But he probably book for sure.

0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:24.719
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, Well he did ever have all the

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.839
<v Speaker 6>he didn't have all the pages. Oh wow, he did

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.480
<v Speaker 6>something in the rehearsal where we're reading and then I said, oh,

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 6>you have the wrong thing. Did anyone give you like

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.240
<v Speaker 6>the golden rods or like the double golden rods or whatever?

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 6>And he was like whatever. So it was only like

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:38.840
<v Speaker 6>three lines that changed. So then he went back changed,

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 6>came back off book. Does it almost as is? He

0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 6>probably sings like ten percent more, which is still crazy

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 6>because the performance is basically a musical, right, Like he's

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:48.320
<v Speaker 6>dancing and singing through the entire.

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Thing, singing summertime and oh you're a little bully.

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:56.320
<v Speaker 3>O god.

0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 6>So I'm like Tom and I we've talked about it

0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.280
<v Speaker 6>in tone, and like, you know, Seanda is very specific

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 6>about like this is how I want to see shot,

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 6>and like, as like a younger writer on set, you're like, well,

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 6>I want to make sure she gets exactly what she wants.

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.000
<v Speaker 6>And so the performance is incredible, but you do know

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 6>there's like a couple of things here or there that

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 6>maybe you might want to see differently or whatever. She

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 6>might want an option here or there, whatever. But the

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 6>crew in total stands up after the rehearsal and is clapping.

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.879
<v Speaker 6>So me, I'm just going like yeah, totally. But I'm

0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 6>like oh no, how do you change any part of

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.240
<v Speaker 6>the performance When the entire crew, like Brad who doesn't

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 6>get up at all for any reason other than the

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 6>show is moving fast, he's like losing his mind. People

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 6>are in tears, and you're just sort of like, oh

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 6>my god. So that I will say, like we that performance,

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 6>like we might not have done that but one or

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 6>two other times, and most of what's in there is

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 6>exactly what we did on the first take. And I

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:50.240
<v Speaker 6>think that both of them were I think Tony was brilliant.

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.280
<v Speaker 2>He came out of the gate like that.

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:56.799
<v Speaker 6>Came out of the gate probably ten percent above what

0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:57.320
<v Speaker 6>you saw.

0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 3>But Katie, you know that's not shocking it. Joe, he

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 3>came up.

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Every single scene that I ever did with him, so

0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.320
<v Speaker 1>like it's mind boggling.

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 3>It's remarkable.

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we don't remember who came up with the

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 2>like when he's like you're a little boy and you're

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:16.880
<v Speaker 2>a little bit essentially you're interesting.

0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 5>That had to be a Sean the.

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Privilege piece of shit like you that you are nothing

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 2>like you're just it was.

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean again, I think that was Johan and

0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:30.880
<v Speaker 6>I think it was also. The crazy part about that

0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 6>is that sort of resonated with a certain segment of

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 6>our audience. Was like the idea, and we touched on

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 6>it much later with Joe, Like just the idea that

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:41.359
<v Speaker 6>this man was brought in chains right to this black

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 6>man was brought in chains to the secret place he's

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 6>calling the white white president a boy just is like

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:51.360
<v Speaker 6>made him doubly triply powerful. Like there was all of

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 6>those you sort of talked about before. I think that

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:56.720
<v Speaker 6>there was a lot more like Trojan horse stuff and

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.839
<v Speaker 6>many many more layers than think than than really had

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 6>to be, and that I think a lot of people

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.360
<v Speaker 6>understood at the time, but that you know, in addition

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 6>to the performance and it being an amazingly written speech

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 6>and Tony's performance against him really strong, there was a

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 6>lot of other layers to that, and a lot of

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.320
<v Speaker 6>talk about the metaphors in that scene too, which was

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 6>was really just I don't know, top notch. I mean,

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:19.799
<v Speaker 6>he just doesn't stop, like it just feels like he's

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 6>on like a I don't even know. And Oliver, which

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:23.839
<v Speaker 6>we I don't know if you guys talk about him

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:25.360
<v Speaker 6>on the show as well, so we have to.

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 5>Have him on.

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Oliver Bogelberg was our TP He directed a bunch of

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 2>episodes too, but he was our DP and he is

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:34.640
<v Speaker 2>an incredible camera like artist. He's just such an artist.

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>The way he shot that show, it was not shot

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 2>like a typical broadcast drama at all. This was so

0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like souls here. This was like such a part

0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:48.720
<v Speaker 2>of this show that we have not really I mean, Seana,

0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 2>we had her on and we talked, but it was

0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 2>so much about the beginning of scale, like where the

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.600
<v Speaker 2>ideas come from, how she wrote the pilot, like casting

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the first three weeks we shot ever

0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and the rehearsals and all of that. But this is

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:04.920
<v Speaker 2>so fascinating, and I'm so grateful to you spending the time,

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:08.760
<v Speaker 2>and thank you. I could talk to you for hours

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:11.520
<v Speaker 2>because we definitely have you back on for the launch

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 2>to know, like, I still feel like you're you're a

0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:16.839
<v Speaker 2>pretty good vault and haven't given us much.

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:20.359
<v Speaker 3>We're going to crack them. We're whisky next time.

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 2>The whole time of the show too, it was a

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.239
<v Speaker 2>vault the whole time. We didn't know what was going

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:27.200
<v Speaker 2>on in there. We didn't know how decisions were made,

0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:29.279
<v Speaker 2>We didn't know why things stuck or went away or

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 2>like anything. You guys were such a little b six

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:33.560
<v Speaker 2>thirteen amongst yourselves.

0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:35.759
<v Speaker 6>Well, a lot of it was a surprise to us,

0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 6>right like Cotts, Like I said, we didn't always see

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 6>and then also like we're doing it in real time,

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 6>so sometimes it'd be like I genuinely don't know the

0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 6>answer to your question. Like Columbus used to come up to

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:46.239
<v Speaker 6>me all the time and think that somehow he could

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.960
<v Speaker 6>like dance his way into getting some information out of me.

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 6>I'm so I would love to obviously do it again,

0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:59.799
<v Speaker 6>and I love you know this kind of stuff terrifies me,

0:51:59.880 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 6>But the reality is like, no, you're so good getting

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.600
<v Speaker 6>the opportunity to talk about this thing again where I

0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 6>made so many lifelong friends and to talk to you

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 6>guys and sort of remember some of the amazing fun

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 6>we had. Like I just couldn't pass up on that

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 6>opportunity and get.

0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 1>To watch the episode, right and get to watch the

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:17.439
<v Speaker 1>show again, like that must have been.

0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:20.080
<v Speaker 6>Exciting watch it, watch it having the experience of watching

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.560
<v Speaker 6>it knowing where it ends, so like watching David Rosen

0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 6>and and Dan and knowing where that's going to go

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:30.759
<v Speaker 6>in a couple of episodes, which is amazing yeah.

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, this was the freaking best here. You're so amazing.

0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Here was amazing. Thank you for coming on. And now

0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:42.600
<v Speaker 2>we're going to put pivot because the President of.

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Sam here, can you believe it? Fitz Gerald Grant, the

0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Tony here the third. Oh shit, don't forget the three.

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Don't forget that three. Fitzgerald Grant the third is here

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 2>to talk to us also about this episode, because it's

0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:03.080
<v Speaker 2>a big presidential episode. It's a big presidential season. All

0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:06.000
<v Speaker 2>of season three is all about him getting re elected

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:08.239
<v Speaker 2>and if he will have a second term. And oh

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:11.160
<v Speaker 2>my god, Tony, we're not even going to take up

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:13.479
<v Speaker 2>that much of your time because we just are.

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 4>You kidding to get to spend time with you, guys.

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:22.560
<v Speaker 2>You look so handsome as per usual letters not Tony

0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Goblin is still a site for sore. First of all,

0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I want to hear about how you're doing in your life,

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 2>and you have so many things going on coming up

0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:33.440
<v Speaker 2>and have just come out. But also, we couldn't talk

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 2>about this episode without going into this freaking monologue situation, like.

0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:41.880
<v Speaker 4>Crazy, Like I just rewatched the whole episode.

0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:42.959
<v Speaker 2>You did, you did?

0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:46.960
<v Speaker 3>It was so it's so good, right.

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:51.280
<v Speaker 4>It's really It just reminds me how crazy Scandal was. God,

0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 4>how much story is episode of it is so outrageous.

0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 1>And that being seen, just that opening scene, it's like

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:05.319
<v Speaker 1>so much going on and so like new things, Like

0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 1>it was super like we're.

0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Talking about Sally Likestin killing Daniel Douglass right where like

0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:14.400
<v Speaker 2>you know he's been murdered in the episode before, but

0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:17.799
<v Speaker 2>now we see their like big last fight, like she

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 2>stabs them in the end, in the back with a

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:21.440
<v Speaker 2>freaking letter opener.

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean it is, but I love how they sort

0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:24.920
<v Speaker 1>of go back and forth and then you hear the

0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:28.360
<v Speaker 1>characters talking but you don't see them their mouths moving.

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 3>It's super like edgy, like, oh it's so cool, it's

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:35.600
<v Speaker 3>so interesting. Yeah, I knew.

0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:37.799
<v Speaker 4>She like made all that decisions in the cutting room

0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 4>like this she did.

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:40.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure, right, yeah.

0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 4>Well I didn't go ahead look at the script, but

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:45.880
<v Speaker 4>that was like classic Shonda, you know, taking it all

0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:49.279
<v Speaker 4>part and putting it back together in a really crazy way.

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 4>I think would she do that?

0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 2>You have experience like that because you directed some of

0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the episodes that you saw like what Shonda would do

0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 2>in the editing room that you were like, oh shit,

0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:01.800
<v Speaker 2>like that, that's crazy, like you do rip them together.

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:03.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, I can't rememb ive ever told you guys this,

0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 4>but years and years and years ago when I first

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 4>met you on it, when I directed Gray's Anatomy, I

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.239
<v Speaker 4>had you know, when you direct an episode of a

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:15.239
<v Speaker 4>television show, you know you have like you turn in

0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:18.720
<v Speaker 4>your director's cut, right, So when I did Gray's Anatomy,

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:22.040
<v Speaker 4>I think I only directed movies. I think up until

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.319
<v Speaker 4>that point, I directed a couple of movies. So I

0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:26.960
<v Speaker 4>felt it kind of like, well my impresson. I took

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:32.640
<v Speaker 4>the episode and I made some decisions editorially, but I thought, well,

0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:34.439
<v Speaker 4>of this scene is a long and we'll just chop

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:36.440
<v Speaker 4>that out, and this would be better if you move

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.359
<v Speaker 4>this here and do that there. And I thought, give

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:39.680
<v Speaker 4>this to the and I done know. I know I'd

0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 4>done the L word, and I lean the showrunner of

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 4>that love that. She was like, grid't me your ideas. Anyway,

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:48.239
<v Speaker 4>I go and I took some made some changes to

0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:49.920
<v Speaker 4>the thing, and it was my opinion of what I

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 4>thought would work best. Turned into the next year, they

0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 4>hired me back to do another episode. Editor I go

0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:58.840
<v Speaker 4>into the cutting room and he says, before we get started,

0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 4>I WI need to talk about something. I said, what

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.600
<v Speaker 4>he said, Yeah, last year, Seanda was a little upset

0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:08.319
<v Speaker 4>with with your cut. I said no. He said, yeah,

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, she really wants everything in there, and you

0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 4>kind of, you know, cut some stuff and made some

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 4>and and uh and he sort of had to give

0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 4>me a talking to because what Seawan, wow, which not

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:22.920
<v Speaker 4>all producers want, is she wants the script exactly as

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:26.879
<v Speaker 4>written in the director's cut, so you make it has

0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:29.120
<v Speaker 4>to have every word be in the right order and

0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 4>exactly what, you know, what was written. And then she

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:35.880
<v Speaker 4>goes in and does and rewrites the whole show in

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:38.759
<v Speaker 4>the editing room and sometimes completely deconstructs things. But it

0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:44.560
<v Speaker 4>really threw her that I had made some choices. You

0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:47.080
<v Speaker 4>I got in trouble.

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:50.319
<v Speaker 8>I wouldn't see that, understandal I always said that, Yeah,

0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 8>that was I don't write I was you kidding, I

0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 8>don't know it's gone it was.

0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.520
<v Speaker 4>It was the third episode of Grey's Anatomy as well. Yeah,

0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 4>oh wow.

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Interesting. And Tim Brathy used to come in. That makes

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:05.360
<v Speaker 2>sense because he used to come and be like, shit

0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 2>that we just did the string together of this episode.

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:12.840
<v Speaker 2>We're fucking nineteen minutes over because like we were shooting

0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 2>one hundred page scripts for a forty two minute show.

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 2>The most plot dialogue shit to fit in ever, and

0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 2>if she wants it, every single word and stage direction

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.280
<v Speaker 2>is in there in the correct order.

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean that is a lot a long show. Yeah,

0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:28.480
<v Speaker 3>that is a lot.

0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you turn it something in that long you do

0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 4>do that. But you know, I thought it was fun

0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:36.400
<v Speaker 4>actually directing once I knew the ground rule. So when

0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 4>we did Scandal, I was just like, Okay, I'm going

0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:41.800
<v Speaker 4>to take this script that Chonda wrote and deliver it

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 4>in the tightest best way I possibly can, with the

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 4>best performances. And that's an interesting kind of like editorial assignment,

0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, Nobody she's going to come

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:54.600
<v Speaker 4>in and do like what she did in three ten,

0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 4>which is that's like a my movie. The story in

0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:01.440
<v Speaker 4>that there's like a whole I was amazed when I

0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:01.960
<v Speaker 4>rewatched it.

0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, you rewatched it? Can you This

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 2>fucking monologue goes down in history, I think, which is

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:12.400
<v Speaker 2>why we had to have you back on Like we're

0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.959
<v Speaker 2>talking gladiators about you are a little boy monologue where

0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:19.920
<v Speaker 2>you're a boy, Yeah, you're a boy? Fits gets you know,

0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:23.160
<v Speaker 2>pop a pope. He's all tied up and he's in

0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:31.800
<v Speaker 2>like some really aware and I mean it's the monoe mono.

0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how you would how would you

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:34.800
<v Speaker 2>paraphrase this scene?

0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:50.120
<v Speaker 1>It's Yeah, I blames for that monologue because you start

0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:54.320
<v Speaker 1>off by just going in and telling him your daughter.

0:58:55.320 --> 0:59:00.280
<v Speaker 2>You say, I love the way she tastes as much like.

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 3>You had coming. Yeah, he's just taking it in.

0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:09.320
<v Speaker 4>And then just and Joe delivered that model like I

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 4>went into like a twenty minute shame spiral just for

0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:16.440
<v Speaker 4>saying those main things to me. I was like, Wow,

0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:17.240
<v Speaker 4>do you.

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Remember reading it at the table read? I don't, do

0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:23.000
<v Speaker 2>you Do you remember when you first laid eyes on that?

0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Yeah, I do.

0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Were you terrifying?

0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 4>Were you?

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:26.920
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:29.440
<v Speaker 4>What I mostly remember is shooting it.

0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 5>I remember I sort of have a memory.

0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:35.160
<v Speaker 4>Of the the table reading, thinking Wow, what an incredible thing.

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 4>But when Joe unloaded on me, I was in shock.

0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:45.520
<v Speaker 4>I was like, it was so so intense and so theatrical.

0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:46.720
<v Speaker 4>It was like operatic.

0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:50.680
<v Speaker 8>Yes, yeah, So I was kind of stunned at the

0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.920
<v Speaker 8>at his balls in delivering it in that in the

0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:57.560
<v Speaker 8>way that he did, Like it was it was.

0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 4>It was super impact. I remember being like having my seating,

1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:02.480
<v Speaker 4>you be on the receiving end of that.

1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he goes into he goes into accents, He

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:08.080
<v Speaker 1>went into accents, into characters.

1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.400
<v Speaker 3>He was like getting down.

1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is easy, and oh you're a little boy

1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:17.520
<v Speaker 2>and like all this ship You're like, oh my god.

1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:19.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like it was. I knew what he was doing

1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:21.720
<v Speaker 4>was brilliant and it was so theatrical. I was like,

1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:27.480
<v Speaker 4>is our show gounna going to sustain this intense theatricality?

1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:32.000
<v Speaker 4>And then I didn't. Honestly, I didn't understand fully what

1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:35.880
<v Speaker 4>Joe was doing until I saw it later, Like I

1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:38.240
<v Speaker 4>appreciate it, and I've always thought Joe's brilliant no matter

1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:42.040
<v Speaker 4>what he does. But when I it's so deep what

1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:45.040
<v Speaker 4>he's doing in that scene, you know what I mean.

1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:48.360
<v Speaker 4>Like that's why watching it now, ten years later or

1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:52.240
<v Speaker 4>whatever it is, it's very especially all we've been through

1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:57.160
<v Speaker 4>in the years since about race and you know, and

1:00:57.360 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 4>power dynamics in our society and all of that. I

1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:04.280
<v Speaker 4>didn't have a fucking clue in twenty thirteen or whatever

1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:06.080
<v Speaker 4>it was, you know, I was like, yes, I didn't

1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:09.200
<v Speaker 4>understand what where Joe was honestly coming from me. That's

1:01:09.240 --> 1:01:11.520
<v Speaker 4>like a I'm just admitting that, you know. And now

1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:15.040
<v Speaker 4>when I in retrospect of all that we've had had

1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:20.640
<v Speaker 4>to process and think about and face, I watch it

1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:25.680
<v Speaker 4>now and I'm like, it's very disturbing. I mean, Joe

1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:28.600
<v Speaker 4>won an Emmy for that episode, didn't Oh did.

1:01:28.440 --> 1:01:29.480
<v Speaker 3>He for that one?

1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I think for a guest star, right, because is he

1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:35.000
<v Speaker 2>recurring at this point?

1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:36.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was a guest star.

1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he won the Go Scandal. I think the

1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:40.880
<v Speaker 2>year before it went to Dan Bubutinski, and I think

1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:43.120
<v Speaker 2>this season it went to Joe Morton for this.

1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:46.000
<v Speaker 4>Episode for that long yeah, really, yeah, And Joe always

1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:48.360
<v Speaker 4>I get the what he did, which is why he

1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:51.680
<v Speaker 4>so deservedly won an Emmy for that character. He just

1:01:52.120 --> 1:01:58.200
<v Speaker 4>swung so hard with his point of view on Pop

1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:01.320
<v Speaker 4>Up Pope, you know, and it's just such good casting.

1:02:01.360 --> 1:02:04.479
<v Speaker 4>He's so great. Yeah, it's so ballsy what he does,

1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:06.560
<v Speaker 4>you know. And I was often on the receiving end

1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:08.640
<v Speaker 4>of the right. Yeah, you know.

1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:12.120
<v Speaker 2>So do you remember like preparing for your scene with

1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Joe or you were just like, I'm just going to

1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:15.000
<v Speaker 2>show up. Whatever he does is what he's going to do.

1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:18.560
<v Speaker 4>No, it was the latter. I mean I I mean

1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:20.360
<v Speaker 4>I prepared for it. I had my point of view

1:02:20.400 --> 1:02:22.680
<v Speaker 4>and its FITs' point of view, and I knew Joe.

1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:24.520
<v Speaker 4>I was excited to see what Joe did with the

1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:26.480
<v Speaker 4>speech because it was a great monologue, you know, but

1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:34.520
<v Speaker 4>I was it was like being billbo Baggins the dead

1:02:34.600 --> 1:02:39.920
<v Speaker 4>of smog from the dragon comes out breath breath of

1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:40.800
<v Speaker 4>fire at you.

1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:45.840
<v Speaker 9>You know, you're like, like, I have a feeling that

1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:49.080
<v Speaker 9>There was like thunderous applause after he was done, after

1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:51.960
<v Speaker 9>every TAKEO or people were just like, oh my god,

1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:55.320
<v Speaker 9>Like the crew usually like bows down when when he

1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:58.120
<v Speaker 9>would deliver a performance like that or anyone else.

1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:01.680
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't quite I think people work in kind of

1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:07.000
<v Speaker 4>awe of it. But it was such a racially charged

1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:13.160
<v Speaker 4>indictment of fits of me that I think it was

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<v Speaker 4>very uncomfortable. It was like, yeah, like shit just got real. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's weird. You know. It's like, I'm Joe and

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<v Speaker 4>I are good friends, but and we've known each other

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<v Speaker 4>forever and work together many times, and but being on

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<v Speaker 4>the receiving end of that was not comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, yeah, that was and you kind of you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of see fits is like vulnerability right in his innocence,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is like a little boy because for him

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<v Speaker 1>not to you know, all this stuff starts to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of hit him. And it's so interesting to see him

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<v Speaker 1>so like like you know again in awe and not

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<v Speaker 1>really like not believing what what Rowan is telling him. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so interesting to see him so like like just

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<v Speaker 1>hit so hard with those words.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, in a sense it's I mean it's not it's

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<v Speaker 4>not it's not the whole picture, but it's all true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he's essentially saying, so all these things we

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<v Speaker 2>learned in Scandal, which like just like you are a

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<v Speaker 2>a white boy of privilege who didn't have to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're the things in Scandal verse that we're always like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've worked twice as hard to get half

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<v Speaker 2>as much. Is not your story. That's that's Papa Pop's story,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's Olivia Pope's story, and that's not your story. Which, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be wild watching this show back since George

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<v Speaker 2>Dloyd and all of these and the Black Lives Matter

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<v Speaker 2>movement and all this stuff, because we were before that,

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<v Speaker 2>like we were and even like we haven't even gone

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<v Speaker 2>to the lawn chair.

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<v Speaker 3>Episod we've done any of that work.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, we haven't gotten any of that. I also think

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<v Speaker 2>as actors were constantly told. I think in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>like you being like, oh could this could the show

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<v Speaker 2>hold these choices that are like that. I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>told all the time, like can you be smaller? Can

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<v Speaker 2>you be smaller? Like you know for those listening, like

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<v Speaker 2>a camera really is a microscope, and sometimes facial expressions

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<v Speaker 2>or things can look something you might do on a

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<v Speaker 2>stage to reach the back row you wouldn't do on

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<v Speaker 2>camera because it's too close up and it would look insane.

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<v Speaker 2>But Joe obviously like he don't give.

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<v Speaker 3>A ship, you don't give a ship.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's committed too, He's committed, so all that craziness

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<v Speaker 1>just works.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's totally real. That's the other thing about as actors,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like if you fucking commit, yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>real for you, it's going to be real for whoever's receiving.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at hat and the opening scene, you know, she's

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<v Speaker 4>like Kate Burton too, is like so theatrical, which's sober

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<v Speaker 4>or so much more like Bellamy does is beautifully theatrical

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like or so a lot of our cast

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<v Speaker 4>is like too yeah, Jeff too man in this episode

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<v Speaker 4>the stuff with him and Danny, Oh my god, you

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<v Speaker 4>can see the three sixes on my yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the devil came in all throat.

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<v Speaker 2>We always talk about food on our podcast, but and

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<v Speaker 2>people eating in episodes because G and I are obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with actors who eat or who don't eat, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're carrying a coffee cup and it doesn't look hot or

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look full. But has everyone worked with barf because

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Perry did a good job in this episode throwing up.

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<v Speaker 3>You did a really good job.

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<v Speaker 4>Throwing up was some real barfing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a real He throws up because he realizes

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<v Speaker 2>that essentially Sally Langston murdering Daniel Douglas is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>his fall. And then we're going to do some tweets

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<v Speaker 2>to the time. Well, I really like these ones tonight

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<v Speaker 2>because people talk some shit about Quinn, which I always love.

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<v Speaker 2>Sissy Nane says, Quinn is, without a doubt, the worst

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<v Speaker 2>character on show.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved you know it for in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, when people would tweet like nasty stuff or

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<v Speaker 1>mean shit to me or to any of us. I

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<v Speaker 1>would get upset, and then I started to enjoy it now,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's what cracks me up.

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<v Speaker 2>Love it. I love it. It's great what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to be boring. You want people to

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<v Speaker 2>feel one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone tweeted at me one saying that I Huck looks

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<v Speaker 1>like he's constipated in every scene like it looked. They

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<v Speaker 1>were like, he's such a bad actor. He just looks

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<v Speaker 1>like he's constipated in every scene.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Ezra Xx tweeted, my flight number is B six and

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<v Speaker 1>today is the thirteenth, so you know, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on Scandal.

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<v Speaker 3>So B six thirteen. Wish me luck.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh h Cindy Capanera s you see Cap tweeted, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to yell a monologue at you about who I

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<v Speaker 2>am and who I'm not and why I am that

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<v Speaker 2>way hashtag scandal.

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<v Speaker 1>Maris Kreisman tweeted a reality show competition based on Scandal

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<v Speaker 1>in which the loser of the week goes home to

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<v Speaker 1>the tagline.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not a gladiator anymore. That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that and this is true. At shidmoh One,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike s wrote, I hate my winter coats. If only

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<v Speaker 2>I had an assortment of winter coats like Olivia Pope.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that to this day, never ever, has

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<v Speaker 2>there ever been a better coat back.

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<v Speaker 3>So many clothes, so many gloves, so many bags? Who

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<v Speaker 3>has the time? Where did you have the time to shop?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Who?

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is the busiest woman in DC and she

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<v Speaker 1>had like all the most amazing clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week, Listeners, Next up Word episode three eleven called

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<v Speaker 2>Ride Sally Ride.

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<v Speaker 3>Another good one title. Thank you Gladiators, Thank you guys

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<v Speaker 3>for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye, Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.

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