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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Higheartradioshas and Katie.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this episode is it's so kick ass that

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Speaker 2: we have two kick ass guests to really hold it up.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Tony Goldwin.

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Speaker 2: And then we've got the one and only Zahir McGhee,

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Speaker 2: who is an incredible writer, and he's going to give

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Speaker 2: us like a real some hot goss into like what

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Speaker 2: the hell was going on in the writer's room and

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Speaker 2: all those people's minds, what they thought of us, how

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Speaker 2: much they loved hugging Quinn.

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Speaker 3: Katie, You're not even in LA right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in LA, and it's like, I miss you.

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Speaker 1: I miss You's got a job somewhere outside of LA.

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Speaker 3: Can you say where you are? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And it's going to come out soon. At the time

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Speaker 2: of this recording, it was previous to the press release,

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Speaker 2: but the press release will be coming out next week.

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Speaker 2: And y'all, I'm in North Carolina. I'll play in a

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Speaker 2: Texan and I have been working not to day on

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Speaker 2: this accent. So apologies if I tend to be coming

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Speaker 2: in and out of it.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 3: It's so cute.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks g. It's so ridiculous, so crazy, it's so fun.

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Speaker 2: I mean, nobody will ever compare. It's so hard, isn't it,

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Speaker 2: Like dal Scandal will never I've collected some wonderful artists

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Speaker 2: and people on the jobs post Scandal. But you know,

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Speaker 2: because I was the I was the baby and the

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Speaker 2: youngest on Scandal, all the older people would always be like,

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Speaker 2: this is lightning in a bottle. Nothing ever existed like this.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Shit, yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 1: I just did a guest spot on a show that's

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Speaker 1: been on for seven seasons and same thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they were all really nice and lovely, and you know

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Speaker 1: they were they were running a tight ship. But it

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Speaker 1: didn't have that energy that we had on our show

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Speaker 1: that like fun, like you know what I mean. We

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Speaker 2: You know, I have to say I did a show

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Speaker 2: that I cannot say on this fucking podcast, like it

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Speaker 2: was a hit show at the same time that Scandal

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Speaker 2: was a hit show. But it won all the awards, okay,

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Speaker 2: unlike Scandal, who did not win any which is fucking bullshit,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it won all the awards, and I have

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Speaker 2: it did like one or two more seasons after Scandal,

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Speaker 2: and I just remember being on the set and like

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Speaker 2: everybody was on their phones, and everyone was like wildly

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Speaker 2: successful and like so famous, so they probably had like

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Speaker 2: and I just like looked around. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: And listen, there were moments where people were we were

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Speaker 1: would get up and he'd grab somebody's phone and tweet

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Speaker 3: Like we were like even you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: we were having a blast.

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Speaker 2: Like we hung out likes and maybe yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: We hung out a ton. Yeah on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We just like really were freaking tight. And it's really

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Speaker 2: other time, But even when I was texting Carrie and

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Speaker 2: it feels exactly like it did seven years ago. Like

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Speaker 2: It just feels like time picks up exactly where we

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Speaker 1: Maybe the people on these shows that we did didn't

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Speaker 1: like us, Maybe we were the problem. Maybe they were like.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: Just stay on my phone.

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Speaker 4: This annoying.

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Speaker 2: Here ever treated the guest stars like shit.

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Speaker 3: No, we would treat them so nice. We treat them

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Speaker 1: I remember every time a new person who would come on,

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Speaker 2: Also, usually that guest star was like famous or had

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: And now that I think about it, there were so

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Speaker 2: Really, it was just it was just never when she

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Speaker 1: good for her. We just wanted to make no mistakes.

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Speaker 2: Hi, is it here? McGee? Here? McGee? You treasure of

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Speaker 2: a human being that you are. We were saying, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you could hear it. You are our

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I think for listeners, listen here is a very, very

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Speaker 3: It's us two goofballs.

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Speaker 6: No, I've been a fan. I was so excited when

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Speaker 2: Are you the biggest fan? Just tell us you're the

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Speaker 6: I'm the biggest fan for sure, and huge fans of

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Speaker 6: you guys. I mean, I've this is a ridiculous story,

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Speaker 6: but both of you. I brought my mom out to

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Speaker 6: the Image Awards. This was during season three, and both

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Speaker 6: And then which was incredible. And then Katie, you came

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Speaker 6: it was incredible, and then either we weren't.

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Speaker 5: We won that year?

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Speaker 5: This was incredible. We won that year?

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Speaker 6: We didn't when I can't remember, you guys were like

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Speaker 6: My mom looks at me. This is like an hour

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Speaker 6: Oh and then she goes, well, why didn't you introduce

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Speaker 6: I mean, she just thought we were like friends.

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Speaker 3: But in her head she knew exactly who those people were.

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Speaker 6: But the writer in me can't help but go to

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Speaker 2: how did you get the scandal job? How did you

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Speaker 2: end up in Shondaland's universe and also was your mom?

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Speaker 2: I need to hear your whole origin Shondaland story.

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Speaker 6: So it's a kind of an it's an interesting one

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Speaker 6: But I come and I go to USC crazy and

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Speaker 6: A ton of stuff goes by. I get a job

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Speaker 6: like all I could come up with was like basically like, damn,

443
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Speaker 6: that's crazy, Like that's.

444
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Speaker 5: All I got. So now I can tell you.

445
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Speaker 6: I go back to private practice that day to like

446
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Speaker 6: finish work there, and I'm like talking to all the

447
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Speaker 6: writers there and I'm like, I am going crazy. I'm

448
00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:08,720
Speaker 6: not going to be able to do this. This is

449
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 6: so out of my league, like just sort of not

450
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Speaker 6: out of my league, but like just sort of like

451
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Speaker 6: different than just this. It didn't feel like it. And

452
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,240
Speaker 6: then so they're just like, it's December. I started in December.

453
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Speaker 6: They're like, it's December. You'll just like go there. It's

454
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Speaker 6: two weeks before Christmas. Break you like, you know, you

455
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 6: know how to like pitch shit, you know how to

456
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:28,920
Speaker 6: like whatever, get to know everyone see what the vibe

457
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 6: is like, it's the train is already moving.

458
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Speaker 5: They already know what they're doing.

459
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Speaker 6: I show up day one, walking to the room, I

460
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 6: turned the corner and Mark fishes standing there. He's like, oh, hey,

461
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Speaker 6: I heard you were coming. I'm like, oh yeah, my

462
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 6: name's I here. It's nice to me. He was like

463
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 6: so happy to have you here. We you know, we

464
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 6: really need to use your brain since we don't have

465
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Speaker 6: anything broken for the back half.

466
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Speaker 5: And you're like, I'm sorry.

467
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Speaker 7: Shit, and you're like literally, I know, and you're just

468
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 7: sort of like, oh, I thought it was chow for

469
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Speaker 7: two weeks and then the next day with basically like

470
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Speaker 7: everyone come in with your conspiracy for the back half,

471
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Speaker 7: and like conspiracy, I'm like, I don't know, like a

472
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Speaker 7: I don't know a baby was born at twenty six

473
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Speaker 7: weeks and I don't.

474
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Speaker 6: Know, Like that's gonna work here.

475
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Speaker 2: That is so crazy. I for the listeners, yeah, all

476
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Speaker 2: the listeners, Like, I think we've touched on this before,

477
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Speaker 2: but it's so great to have to hear on this.

478
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Speaker 2: But like, Scandal is so different than I think how

479
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 2: other episodic TV shows go. Where they would start a

480
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Speaker 2: season and like the whole season is broken, right, like

481
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, the general arc for everybody's character, all the

482
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Speaker 2: big beats you're going to pay, you know, see, and

483
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 2: this it's just really about getting me a to B

484
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 2: two seed on Scandal. The reason I think that the

485
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,880
Speaker 2: show felt so like gun to your head OMG moments

486
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 2: is because you guys were figuring them out in real

487
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Speaker 2: time correct deadlines.

488
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm always look, look, we definitely knew

489
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Speaker 6: I mean, we definitely knew big stuff, right, Like, there

490
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,479
Speaker 6: was stuff that we sort of talked about, and there

491
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,959
Speaker 6: were things that were sort of in the air, and

492
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 6: some you know, directors from Shonda and vice versa that

493
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Speaker 6: were kind of you tried to lean towards those, right,

494
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 6: But yeah, a lot of it did was super organic,

495
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 6: and a lot of it felt like responsive in a

496
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 6: lot of ways, and a lot of it was just

497
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 6: sort of like coming up with the best idea and

498
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,959
Speaker 6: one thing that works incredibly. Like in addition to you

499
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 6: guys really just being super talented and committed to everything,

500
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Speaker 6: was that room was like forgetting the crazy, like the

501
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 6: story and the type of story we're doing, and it's

502
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Speaker 6: just sort of like thrillery, fast paced thing and we're

503
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 6: doing eighty scenes and crazy stuff. You know, the talent

504
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 6: in that room, right, Like, I mean, Jenna and I

505
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 6: want to hear about that, and Alan and you know,

506
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Speaker 6: Hammer and Mark Fish and you know, Paul Chris, you know,

507
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 6: like like we're talking about like eight nine show runners

508
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Speaker 6: right who were going to go on to run the shows,

509
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Speaker 6: and so like Heather, you know what I mean, Like like.

510
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Speaker 2: It's just under there talking about such heavy hitters, where

511
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 2: like there was no everybody, there were no brilliant in

512
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Speaker 2: their own right, and every writer in there was capable

513
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Speaker 2: of having eight thousand shows than their own brain. Like

514
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 2: it was. So it's amazing.

515
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Speaker 6: Super talented, not a bad writer in the bunch.

516
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Speaker 2: Explain to our listeners that Scandal also wasn't written like

517
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Speaker 2: even though there was somebody's name on each episode, is

518
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Speaker 2: Scandal different from other shows? And that a lot of

519
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 2: episodes were like a group effort, like you take a scene,

520
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: you take a scene, you take a scene or was

521
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Speaker 2: it not like that? And I'm remembering incorrectly.

522
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know how much of this is the

523
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Speaker 6: public of knowledge or whatever. Absolutely, I'll say absolutely in

524
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Speaker 6: terms of comparing it to the other shows I've worked on,

525
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Speaker 6: one thousand percent, far and away the most collaborative show

526
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Speaker 6: I've worked on.

527
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Speaker 4: I love that.

528
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Speaker 2: That's so cool. God, it sounds like your writer's room

529
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Speaker 2: was like kind of similar to our cast, which is

530
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Speaker 2: so interesting and for all of you guys too, Like,

531
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Speaker 2: so you would have your own office, each writer had

532
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Speaker 2: their own office, and then you would have like a

533
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Speaker 2: group like living room out room. Am I making this up?

534
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Speaker 2: Or was it a conference table?

535
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Speaker 3: Like are you?

536
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Speaker 2: And then would you gather every day and like break

537
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Speaker 2: it together and then like go off to your own

538
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: offices and then like is that I don't I don't

539
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Speaker 2: know about this world at all.

540
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Speaker 6: Oh well, it's different on every show, And just going

541
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Speaker 6: back to what I was saying before, it is, without question,

542
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 6: this was the most collaborative environment that I worked in.

543
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Speaker 6: But by and large, I've only only twice have I

544
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Speaker 6: worked in conference table writers rooms, and they just make

545
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Speaker 6: me out. I'm a big like just like couch an

546
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Speaker 6: individual table thing. I'm also like a little bit of

547
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Speaker 6: like a psychotic have to be in the same seat.

548
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Speaker 6: I can't concentrate if I Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It's weird, but I get that.

550
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Speaker 6: But so we have a writer's room, so we have

551
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Speaker 6: obviously we have our offices, and then we have a

552
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Speaker 6: writer's room. Scandal was a hugely room heavy show. So

553
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Speaker 6: we were there in the room, you know, anywhere between

554
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Speaker 6: six to ten hours more sometimes and we did everything together.

555
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Speaker 1: I wonder you were so fucking keeping track of these

556
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: times lines and fucking just the storylines and everything right

557
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: like that, the research because it was even hard for

558
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Speaker 1: us to keep track. We would do scenes and I'd

559
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Speaker 1: be like, Katie, I don't know, like what what has

560
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: happened to?

561
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 2: Like what's happening each other?

562
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Speaker 1: Right?

563
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

564
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Speaker 6: If someone said to me, explain one conspiracy from scandal

565
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Speaker 6: beginning to end right now, and I'll give you like

566
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Speaker 6: five million, right, I really do it? Yeah, they to

567
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 6: kidnapp your entire quin, are going to kidnap your entire

568
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Speaker 6: family and torture them, But you're nothing. Give me the

569
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Speaker 6: Mole storyline beginning to end accurately, I'd be like, I'm sorry,

570
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Speaker 6: my god, no idea the Mole.

571
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Speaker 2: We just went through that, and I was like, what,

572
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Speaker 2: there's thorn Gate, there's thorn Gate, there's Mole. There's a

573
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Speaker 2: war of a of a made up country that I

574
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Speaker 2: can't cash bar cash bar, Like how did you make up? Also?

575
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Speaker 2: How did you come it? Oh my god, we have

576
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Speaker 2: to talk about this episode, but I'm like obsessed with that.

577
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: This is so interesting to like how you made up.

578
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Speaker 2: You remember we who made up like the like Gettysburger,

579
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Speaker 2: or like a staple right, or like the Beaujolais wine,

580
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Speaker 2: which is a bullshit name of a wine. Like these

581
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: were things that I'm like, who the fuck made this

582
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Speaker 2: shit up?

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Speaker 6: Well, the as much as we've talked about how awesome

584
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Speaker 6: the job is, the job is like really hard also,

585
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Speaker 6: and it's like a lot of pressure, as I've sort

586
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Speaker 6: of talked about, So I think a lot of what

587
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 6: we did was you are entertaining one another who you

588
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Speaker 6: your brothers and sisters who are like sort of living

589
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Speaker 6: with every day. So I used to remember like who

590
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Speaker 6: did what? Like even watching this episode, I can kind

591
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Speaker 6: of be like, oh, I remember who wrote the scene

592
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 6: or you know, whatever the case may be, Oh for sure,

593
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Speaker 6: and who came up with this pitch? And names were

594
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Speaker 6: the way that we always entertained one another, Like even

595
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Speaker 6: in the episode three ten, there's some like her her

596
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Speaker 6: one of her aliases is like Margo Bouvier and I

597
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Speaker 6: was like, yeah, I know that was a joke. I

598
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 6: don't know who was the mag laugh, but like whatever,

599
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 6: So Gettysburger, I don't know, but it's usually like what

600
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Speaker 6: happens is if if we go off to write, you know,

601
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Speaker 6: and you come back and someone as a scene, they'll

602
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 6: just have it in the scene, and it's just something

603
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Speaker 6: that when we do the writer's table, everyone goes, you know,

604
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 6: like just loses their mind sticks and you're like whatever, yeah,

605
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 6: or it's something that you know, China comes back to

606
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 6: the room with and she'll say and it sticks, and

607
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 6: it's just you kind of know what those moments are

608
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 6: going to be, and then a lot of the things

609
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 6: surprise you with Scandal, so it really was like again

610
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Speaker 6: like super collaborative, like some of the big stuff like

611
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Speaker 6: thinking about like Maya chewing her arms off or you

612
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 6: know whatever to get out of prison two episodes before,

613
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Speaker 6: you're like, I can remember so clearly how he came

614
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Speaker 6: up with that. And again it's just again the sort

615
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Speaker 6: of like organic semi organic, because there is the gun

616
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Speaker 6: of the deadline to your head, but it's in a

617
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Speaker 6: lot of I hate to say stuff like this, but

618
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Speaker 6: like in a lot of ways, it just felt like magic.

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Speaker 2: You know, we will be back with more after the break.

620
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Speaker 2: Are there like your top three moments that you feel

621
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Speaker 2: like you either wrote or you know co wrote very

622
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: more like more like they were a scene heavy that

623
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Speaker 2: you really touched with your talent that you're so proud of.

624
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Speaker 6: Is my mom? What did my mom think of Scandal?

625
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 6: She loved Scandal, and I think she loved you know

626
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 6: that the cachet that.

627
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 4: It brought her.

628
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 6: At home, my dad was always like kind of played

629
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Speaker 6: this role of like I don't watch that, Like why

630
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 6: the man's the president of the United States and he's

631
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 6: willing to give all that up for her, you know,

632
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 6: like he just was in like super masculine.

633
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Speaker 5: That's realistic. That's not realistic, you wouldn't do that. Then

634
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 5: I went home one.

635
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 6: Time and I was out of the room and my

636
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 6: dad's phone just kept going off, and I'm like, this

637
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 6: is so annoying, this is so annoying, Like why isn't

638
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 6: this man here old people who leave their ringer on,

639
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 6: Like why can't it.

640
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 5: Just be onside of it?

641
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 6: And then I go over to finally shut it off,

642
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 6: and it just is an alarm for Scandal. So like

643
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 6: she would remind himself too much, So he would pretend

644
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 6: to me that he didn't watch, but then he.

645
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: Was like, I gotta watch my son show.

646
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

647
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

648
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 6: And so in terms of like the things and I'll

649
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 6: just sort of say the things I'm proud of.

650
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: And yes, you know, think of the episodes.

651
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 6: It doesn't even have to be a moment, right, I

652
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 6: mean everything in the lawn Chair is like obviously like

653
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 6: the fact that we pulled that together. You know, everything

654
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 6: about that episode. I'm so grateful for, you know, my

655
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 6: own contributions and Cornelius coming into the show and that

656
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 6: episode and the speech of the on that episode.

657
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

658
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: Wow, So here's episode Like that episode is one of

659
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: the all time greatest, most prolific, and we are having

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Speaker 2: you back on it will be you and Courtney b

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Speaker 2: Vance who are here. This is so so interesting. I'm

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Speaker 2: so interested in this, Like I can't even tell you,

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Speaker 2: but we're going to talk about three ten really quick,

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Speaker 2: because I know you were on set and I know

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Speaker 2: you remember a lot of this episode and you watched.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're the greatest. Okay, we are talking

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Speaker 2: today about episode three ten, a door Marked Exit, which

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Speaker 2: aired on December twelfth, twenty thirteen, and.

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Speaker 1: It was written by Zahir McGhee and directed by Tom Vericka,

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Speaker 1: The Tom Verica.

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Speaker 2: It was guest starring Candy Alexander Asmya Lewis, Julia cho Is,

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Speaker 2: Shelby moss.

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Speaker 1: Erica Schaeffer's anchor, and Paul Adostein as Leo Bergen.

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Speaker 2: And how do you feel about reading in scandalpace?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we'll ask our guests if they want to read

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Speaker 1: the synopsis and scandal pasce do not feel pressure. Me

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Speaker 1: and Katie fuck it up all the time, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's fun. Something you could say no and we'll read

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Speaker 1: it like it's all good.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy to give it a try.

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Speaker 5: This will be.

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Speaker 2: Embarrassing, Yeah, try here here, Okay.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 6: As Olivia races to learn everything she can about her

685
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 6: mother's past in the Plane Land, Cyrus works to cover

686
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Speaker 6: up Sally Lankson's the Murderous Night, Fitz has plans of

687
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Speaker 6: his own when he kidnaps Elive Pope to get information

688
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Speaker 6: about the plane, but Olivia is the one to deliver

689
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Speaker 6: the news her dad was tricked by my into having

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Speaker 6: fits destroy the plane. And even more and even more

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Speaker 6: information is revealed when NSA. When an NSA couder brings

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Speaker 6: a recording of Sally and to David Rose.

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Speaker 2: The way I've done it, then two paid actors over,

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Speaker 2: Yes that was? And why there isn't a tape of

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Speaker 2: you doing the writers fucking read through his playing top

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Speaker 2: of hope is upsetting there? Who tell me? I honestly

697
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Speaker 2: think just breaking down. Like favorite moments of this episode.

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00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: I think Sally Langston's monologues and fucking fight with Daniel

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Speaker 2: Douglas is like the best theater acting I've ever seen,

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Speaker 2: like in my life, Like she's screaming and then she's

701
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Speaker 2: like she is un believed.

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Speaker 1: I want to know who the writer is that wrote that,

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Speaker 1: Who is the demented? Like that is hate filled soul

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Speaker 1: and spirit that he tapped.

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Speaker 2: Into that like Piggy pig Like, who's ridiculous?

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Speaker 6: God, I do remember all this. I think fry little Piggy,

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Speaker 6: Pry Piggy. He was Matt Burne for sure. And then

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Speaker 6: this is the first one I really don't remember. I

709
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Speaker 6: mean I usually defaulted in these areas when they're in

710
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Speaker 6: when it's incredible, and I can't remember that. Obviously it

711
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 6: was Shonda so but also what made that sick right

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Speaker 6: is the editing right, Like the way that that's sort

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Speaker 6: of edited is incredible. And I remember watching Matt Ramsey

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Speaker 6: was our editor who cut this episode. It was with

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Speaker 6: you know, he worked on private practice, and he worked

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Speaker 6: in Shona Land for incredibly long time. And I remember

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Speaker 6: after the table read, Shanda just said to him, like,

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Speaker 6: can we make it like kind of weird? Like she

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Speaker 6: like they had a shorthand about like he kind of knew.

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Speaker 6: And he also had the you know, carte blanche in

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Speaker 6: some ways to make something that was like a little

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Speaker 6: bit like you were really seeing that that kind of

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Speaker 6: stuff on broadcast TV.

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Speaker 2: Like that first it was filmic. It was it was

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Speaker 2: like a movie.

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Speaker 1: I was just saying really quickly, Like in the opening scene,

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Speaker 1: there were shots of like Sally Langston's feet, like her

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Speaker 1: taking her shoes off, and then you would hear dialogue

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Speaker 1: and they would cut to a close up of their

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Speaker 1: face but they weren't talking, and it was it was

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Speaker 1: just so so interesting.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that camera work was ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Oliver is so great. We have to have Oliver on.

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Speaker 1: We will, I'm sure at some point.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we have to have him on. I mean you,

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Speaker 2: we have to have him on.

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Speaker 6: It looks so good, it's edited so good, and the

738
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Speaker 6: performances are so insane, and the writing is so good.

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Speaker 6: And what I loved about sort of all the scenes

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Speaker 6: in the show. And this was like indicato of the

741
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Speaker 6: right of the bat, which is like it's never like

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Speaker 6: a one person says there's whatever and the other person

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Speaker 6: comes back or they kill It's like it's like you

744
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Speaker 6: think it can't go any higher, right, Like you think

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Speaker 6: you can't possibly get any more, And like the part

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Speaker 6: I love she said the thing like you're my original sin,

747
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Speaker 6: Like you are stupid. What you have given me is

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Speaker 6: a daughter who can't keep her legs closed.

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Speaker 5: Oh shit, like about our own daughter, Yeah, about her

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Speaker 5: own toter.

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Speaker 6: You're well, you can't, you can't top that. And then

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Speaker 6: she's like, I can't wait until you try to judge

753
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Speaker 6: for your lives. But then he comes back with something right,

754
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 6: So it's like two like opponents. The scenes are always

755
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Speaker 6: like these two opponents who are going back and forth,

756
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Speaker 6: and it leads to that thing like I just thought

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Speaker 6: she was just so good in the entire episode, and

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Speaker 6: I'm also like good. Can you imagine having drinking every time?

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Speaker 6: There was a biblical reference in this episode, Oh.

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Speaker 2: My god, alcohol poisoning. You would need to have your

761
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: stomach palms, you would be at a hospital and you

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Speaker 2: would be dead. It was unbelievable. Speaking about the alcohol,

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Speaker 2: we always talk about we have to talk about the scenes,

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Speaker 2: but we always talk about eating and actors'ing our favorite

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Speaker 2: And in this episode, I was like, there's a scene

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Speaker 2: Olivia Pope is literalus. I used to be like, wow,

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Speaker 2: they really make fun of Olivia Pope drinking like really

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Speaker 2: big wine glasses, And in this episode was the first

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Speaker 2: time that we're like, that's the biggest fucking red wine

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Speaker 2: glass I have ever seen. Like it was a goblet.

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Speaker 2: It was absolutely ridiculous, and you know it was delicious

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Speaker 2: grape juice. Okay, here what other scenes in this episode

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Speaker 2: just stick out to you? Performance wise?

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 6: I could not stop watching Jeff just like bounce around things,

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Speaker 6: like he's just like just and even the just the

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Speaker 6: number of things yes today, Like can you guys sort

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00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 6: of highlight the scene with him and Melly is like

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Speaker 6: so incredible, But just when he comes in and brings

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Speaker 6: the doctor in, like it's almost like born like insane comedy,

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Speaker 6: Like just he's so good and so tense.

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Speaker 1: And it's honestly like a farce or something.

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Speaker 2: He feels like so crazy and.

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Speaker 6: You can watch when she's like he's like Sally, do

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00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 6: you think Daniel Douglas wants this? And you can see

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Speaker 6: like he's about to explode if she doesn't do this.

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Speaker 6: That was really incredible, I thought. I mean, I also

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Speaker 6: had worked with him so long in private practice that like,

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Speaker 6: I just loved Paul in everything.

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Speaker 2: We believe that Leo Bergen is Leobergen for me personally

791
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Speaker 2: is one of my all time favorite Scandal characters, fucking

792
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: hands down, and he is. He's my one of my

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00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: favorite lines in this when he says when he says

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00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: he says something to Sally that's like, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he just well he he susses it out right,

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00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 6: like she screams, you know, Danga Douglas is a sodomite,

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00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 6: and he's like, oh crap.

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Speaker 5: He's like you you killed him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you killed him, and like that I remember, I

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00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: can't remember who pitched it, but I remember it being

801
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 6: like he's excited, like we can fix this, we can

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00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 6: we can still win. And so then he's like, yeah,

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00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 6: you called the White House, like your sin is not

804
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 6: the murder, your sin I mean, and that's like, no,

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00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 6: the sin is that you didn't give me the opportunity

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00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 6: to win this cleanly. If you had just called me,

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00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 6: I would control the situation right because he knows where

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00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 6: the power lies. And then you were scenes you guys together,

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Speaker 6: particularly when you come back, and he sort of that's.

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Speaker 2: One of my cringe moments. That's one of my cringe moments.

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Speaker 2: Cringe moments, oh, because it's so hard to watch this

812
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 2: show when you're like the baby and the idiot, because

813
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: you're like literally like on a show with Jeff Perry

814
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: and fucking Kate Burton doing like Oscar Tony Olivier Award

815
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Speaker 2: Guiermo Diaz, like it's ridiculous. It should be reigning awards

816
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: on the acting level. And then I come in and

817
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: was like, I used to be normal. I think I

818
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: was worried about my highlight.

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Speaker 8: And I.

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Speaker 2: Remember shooting about that scene, which is so great. He's

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Speaker 2: talking about a scene where I come back to a

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Speaker 2: hotel room. Charlie and I are living in a hotel room,

823
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Speaker 2: and I remember I had to be in bron underwear.

824
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: Always was stressful, and Tom Jerika was so great. He

825
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: was like, just put your knees up and we're going

826
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: to make it look so like I was basically hidden.

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Speaker 2: It was great, Like I wasn't my broad underwear, but

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Speaker 2: like eight nobody saw it, which was great. Okay, so

829
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Speaker 2: I was cringe worthy for me. Oh who would come

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Speaker 2: up with the titles of the episodes?

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a good question.

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Speaker 6: Oh that was another free for all. That was like

833
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 6: we would reel up with and I can't remember, like

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Speaker 6: roughly writers. I don't know if it was writer's table. Yeah, writer,

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Speaker 6: because you guys always had titles at the.

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Speaker 2: Table, right, yes, always, If.

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Speaker 6: You always had titles at the table, then usually once

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Speaker 6: we would turn in a writer's draft or the second

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Speaker 6: the second writer's draft, we would then sort of sit

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Speaker 6: around and talk about the titles, and I'm yeah, I'm

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00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 6: trying to think, like everyone sort of came up with

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00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 6: a few. I think Chris was someone that always sort

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00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 6: of like we thought about, like came up with like

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Speaker 6: good titles on the fly, and some people sort of

845
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Speaker 6: would sort of relinquish that, like people like Paul I

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Speaker 6: have no interest in coming.

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00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Up with that impossible. I can't come up with a

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00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: fucking title. That's impuzzible, and the titles are so funny, like.

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Speaker 3: Girl, I can't One.

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Speaker 6: Of the secrets was trying to figure out the line, right,

851
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Speaker 6: so a door marked exit or a Molley You and

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Speaker 6: Danger Girl, right, like, these are all lines that are

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00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 6: in the episode. So that was the starting place. Was

854
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 6: kind of trying to predict like what is the viral line,

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Speaker 6: Like I don't know if you guys used to need

856
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 6: the sort of recaps, but like in Vulture or a

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00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 6: v club, like they would do like a line of

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Speaker 6: the week, and like, I don't know, like it was

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Speaker 6: awesome if that was your.

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Speaker 5: Line, right, like, so.

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00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: How great would that be?

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00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 6: That's sort of like how titles it would initially go

863
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 6: to trying to figure out, like what's the line in

864
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 6: the episode that like Shondall connect with or that the

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00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 6: audience is going to connect with.

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Speaker 2: And it was so like, you know, not that it's

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Speaker 2: like pop cultuy, but it's just so like perfect, like

868
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: like tweetable or digestible or like it just nails it.

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Speaker 2: It's just so fucking.

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Speaker 6: Some of the backfire I did. One of the episodes

871
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 6: that had my name on it was an episode You

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00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 6: Got Served, which was like everyone, you guys, like all

873
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 6: the subpoenas at the beginning, but in the end of

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00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 6: the cut there no one actually got subpoenaed. So that's

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00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 6: sort of like it's a reference to something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this makes no sense.

877
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: So funny, Okay. I just think Candy Alexander is the

878
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: most beautiful looking end moment where in the wind and

879
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: we find out she's really the scary one and she's

880
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: the bad guy and all this stuff, and then she

881
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: picks up her phone and she's like and she's like

882
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: Olivia's like mom, and she's just in this fucking amazing

883
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: French coat hair. She's like, I see soon, baby, or

884
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: something like that. And then she just throws away the

885
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: burner phone in the trash can and she walks away

886
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: and you realize that she's standing in front of the

887
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: White House.

888
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I will say that that's like an odd

889
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 6: place to make that phone call, I think if you're

890
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 6: sort of wanted.

891
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: But I would have smashed that phone up before throwing

892
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: it in the garbage, right, I would have thrown it

893
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: in the water, not just like she like chucks it

894
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: open into the garbage.

895
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: I mean scandal that people had to just sort of buy.

896
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: I remember people used to be like, there's no way

897
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: that if you're in DuPont Circle that you can get

898
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: to the Pentagon next scene and just watch the show.

899
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Television it's fine.

900
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 6: That's the one where it's also like we were good

901
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 6: at taking sort of irrational logic in one episode and

902
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 6: then making it make sense later, So like we never

903
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 6: did anything like that. You say that, I go, you

904
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: said you didn't smash a cell phone. If someone said

905
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 6: that in the room, we might say, like three episodes later,

906
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 6: it should be like, well, actually she didn't smash it

907
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 6: because she wanted someone to go to that spot because

908
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 6: of the pocket.

909
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 5: You would have made it work, you know, in a way.

910
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 6: And and and a lot of questionable ideas in all

911
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 6: of television and on this show have been recovered with

912
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 6: some some forward logic, some some some some corrective logic.

913
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: I just always was so blown away at how And

914
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because the writing was so

915
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 2: great or because our acting was so great, but I

916
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: was always so blown away by like you guys doing

917
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: making some ship up and and then people just all

918
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: buying it, Like I'd like it's literally like I.

919
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: Just like, I like they bought that ship. Yeah, I

920
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: mean it was.

921
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 2: Always sinker, you know what I mean, Like like it's

922
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: just crazy, Like it's just so wild.

923
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a testament again to the show, and

924
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 6: and what sort of people were attracted to in the beginning,

925
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 6: and what Shonda created, and also what you guys bought,

926
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 6: which is like Kerry and Olivia Pope were such compelling characters, right,

927
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 6: and then you guys come and you like really sort

928
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 6: of like own these characters and bring them to life

929
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 6: where you care about you know, Huck in this, you

930
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,959
Speaker 6: care about a murderer who's willing to torture as best

931
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 6: friend in this incredibly compelling way. And so I think

932
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 6: that that, I mean, that's ultimately what people care about

933
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 6: in television, right, Like do they really care about the

934
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 6: how and the why? I mean, of course they do

935
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 6: in certain shows like but this also, you know, this

936
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 6: wasn't Law and Order, and I don't know that what

937
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 6: they're doing isn't ridiculous either, but as long as it

938
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 6: sort of feels real and sort of the emotion always

939
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 6: felt real to me, you know, like like Jeff didn't

940
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 6: crazy did insane things. You guys both did insane things

941
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 6: on the show, but it all made sense.

942
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 3: Like there's nothing Cyrus didn't take it make sense to me,

943
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?

944
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 6: Like, you know it's insane right in this episode it's

945
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: insane to pimp out your husband so that you can

946
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 6: get this guy in trouble so that you can then

947
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 6: get Sally off. It's his back so you can win

948
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 6: in an election, right, and then.

949
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: It's kind of hot.

950
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 6: It's gotta and the fact that you have the nerve

951
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 6: afterwards to be like, we're really mad about it, like

952
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like boyfriend said, yeah, yeah.

953
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: And not get pictures.

954
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 6: There's no way you guys remember the table read for this,

955
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 6: but there is an entire story missing that we read

956
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 6: at the table that doesn't exist in the show.

957
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 5: Really yeah, So I remember.

958
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 6: This very clearly, and I remember when we cut it,

959
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 6: and then I went back to look at the writer's

960
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 6: draft to see and in addition to everything crazy stuff

961
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 6: that ocurds in this episode, there was also a B

962
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 6: six thirteen origin story that told you about Joe's origin.

963
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: Get up right now and go fucking pitch that. Remember

964
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 2: I'm available of July.

965
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: I'm available right now, me your most.

966
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: Holy Joe, George, George Newborn, and whoever the fuck else

967
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: you want, we are available.

968
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: And do you remembers show We used the daydream on

969
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: set of Scandal that they would do a spin off

970
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: called of B six thirteen, and we would all continue

971
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: on after Scandal.

972
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: Because shooting that stuff, Like we loved being at the

973
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Acne Acne paper. We loved being this.

974
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 5: Like wonderland, wonderful.

975
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: Part of Like, Oh, I thought my acting was good

976
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: at that part. I thought I did good. When I

977
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: was digging the out of my two that was so

978
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: difficult to.

979
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 6: I mean just also thinking about the range of stuff

980
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 6: you're doing right, Like you go from like you're getting

981
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 6: tortured to like you're having this vulnerable moment with Charlie too.

982
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 6: You're cleaning up a body like you cleaned up the

983
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 6: Daniel Douglas Daily.

984
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: I am so versatile, you sup.

985
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: We'll be right back, guys.

986
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: Were you guys ever worried? Like, oh shit, Like if

987
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: Carrie Olivia Pope murders the vice president with the chair,

988
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: like will we like were there?

989
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 5: Yeah?

990
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 8: No?

991
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: Like yeah, were you thwhack? Was that the name of

992
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: it the episode?

993
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 8: Like?

994
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: Were you ever? Like how are fans like our fans

995
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: and gladiators going to cross her? Like will they not

996
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: be on Olivia Pop's side or were you Like no,

997
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: they We've got them in the possible.

998
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: I still love her. Yeah, yeah, you.

999
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 6: I mean as Quinn really didn't cross o Pa or

1000
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 6: Olivia at all, but you can, like you looked in

1001
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 6: her email one time, and like the fans are like,

1002
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 6: oh my god, she crossed them.

1003
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: Kill her, death threats, death threats. If you're not with Olivia,

1004
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: you're dead, right.

1005
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 6: So it's about being with Olivia, so we can justify

1006
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 6: what Olivia does. So no, I don't think that there

1007
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 6: was ever. I mean, look, okay, well how do we

1008
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 6: justify that she's going to kill a man in a

1009
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 6: wheelchair because he was in a wheelchair, remember, right? And

1010
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 6: but he really he said some crazy things to Olivia, right,

1011
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 6: He like called her like a horror and this and

1012
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 6: that whatever, and she just had enough. So I think

1013
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 6: once you say that to Olivia Pope, the fans are like,

1014
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 6: how about it.

1015
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: Kill that motherfucker?

1016
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't care, bye, I mean wow, okay, okay, wait,

1017
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: we have to talk about because we have Tony on too.

1018
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: Tell me about the Tony Eye. I'm so uncomfortable in

1019
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: the Joe Morton Tony Goldwyn opening of that scene because

1020
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: he says how good Olivia is and what she tastes, like,

1021
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 2: are you joking? You say that to her father.

1022
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: Who about that scene?

1023
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 6: God, I wish I knew who wrote that, But I

1024
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 6: will say, like, just like I was saying before, like

1025
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 6: everything is to the highest degree, like the like Sally

1026
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 6: talking about like she can't keep her legs closed or

1027
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 6: all the you know, when Cyrus is like, you know,

1028
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 6: says to James like that baby that I bought for you.

1029
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 6: It's talking about his own daughter, and he's like, that

1030
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 6: baby that I bought for you, that's in the next room.

1031
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 6: So if everyone on the show always went for the jugular, right,

1032
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 6: like there were always the sharpest, the meanest, right, and

1033
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 6: then as writers, you have to be the sharpest the meanest,

1034
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 6: so you're looking to like one up the person on

1035
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 6: the next scene and be like how can you do

1036
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 6: that thing? So it's funny rewatching that scene, which is incredible,

1037
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 6: and like obviously that's just like probably the most iconic

1038
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 6: scene to come out of this episode, I think as

1039
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 6: far as like I.

1040
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: Think he wanted me. We were talking about he won.

1041
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 5: This episodemi this year. Yeah, you guys delivered.

1042
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 4: In back to back.

1043
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: And then Joe Morton how many and just we win

1044
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: a wait none? Oh wait, oh wait, we want nothing anyway,

1045
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: go aheads the year. He's so freaking good in that chair.

1046
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 5: Oh my god, he's so good in the chair.

1047
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 6: And it does feel like it was the only thing,

1048
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 6: like thinking back to it, it's really the only leg

1049
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 6: that that fits as a characterized to stand on it.

1050
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 6: And it's also like kind of goes with where Joe

1051
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 6: goes with the scene later, which is it's just sort

1052
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 6: of like juvenile, right, like you went the expected route,

1053
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 6: like and you went for the thing that you think

1054
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 6: is going to hurt me the most. But like like

1055
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 6: like Joe Morton just sort of can't be touched. But

1056
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 6: I think Tony plays it really well, and he obviously

1057
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 6: comes back at the end of the episode and sort

1058
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 6: of pushes him out his command. But that scene I

1059
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 6: was on set for the rehearsal, right, I mean it

1060
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 6: was on set the entire time. But Tom's directing it,

1061
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 6: we're watching it, we're in the rehearsal. This is exactly

1062
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 6: what happens. He does the entire thing pretty much as

1063
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 6: it is in the thing.

1064
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: But he probably book for sure.

1065
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, Well he did ever have all the

1066
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 6: he didn't have all the pages. Oh wow, he did

1067
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 6: something in the rehearsal where we're reading and then I said, oh,

1068
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 6: you have the wrong thing. Did anyone give you like

1069
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 6: the golden rods or like the double golden rods or whatever?

1070
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 6: And he was like whatever. So it was only like

1071
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 6: three lines that changed. So then he went back changed,

1072
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 6: came back off book. Does it almost as is? He

1073
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 6: probably sings like ten percent more, which is still crazy

1074
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 6: because the performance is basically a musical, right, Like he's

1075
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 6: dancing and singing through the entire.

1076
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: Thing, singing summertime and oh you're a little bully.

1077
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: O god.

1078
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 6: So I'm like Tom and I we've talked about it

1079
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 6: in tone, and like, you know, Seanda is very specific

1080
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 6: about like this is how I want to see shot,

1081
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 6: and like, as like a younger writer on set, you're like, well,

1082
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 6: I want to make sure she gets exactly what she wants.

1083
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 6: And so the performance is incredible, but you do know

1084
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 6: there's like a couple of things here or there that

1085
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 6: maybe you might want to see differently or whatever. She

1086
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 6: might want an option here or there, whatever. But the

1087
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 6: crew in total stands up after the rehearsal and is clapping.

1088
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 6: So me, I'm just going like yeah, totally. But I'm

1089
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 6: like oh no, how do you change any part of

1090
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 6: the performance When the entire crew, like Brad who doesn't

1091
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 6: get up at all for any reason other than the

1092
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 6: show is moving fast, he's like losing his mind. People

1093
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 6: are in tears, and you're just sort of like, oh

1094
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 6: my god. So that I will say, like we that performance,

1095
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 6: like we might not have done that but one or

1096
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 6: two other times, and most of what's in there is

1097
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 6: exactly what we did on the first take. And I

1098
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 6: think that both of them were I think Tony was brilliant.

1099
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: He came out of the gate like that.

1100
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 6: Came out of the gate probably ten percent above what

1101
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 6: you saw.

1102
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: But Katie, you know that's not shocking it. Joe, he

1103
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: came up.

1104
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: Every single scene that I ever did with him, so

1105
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: like it's mind boggling.

1106
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: It's remarkable.

1107
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we don't remember who came up with the

1108
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: like when he's like you're a little boy and you're

1109
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: a little bit essentially you're interesting.

1110
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 5: That had to be a Sean the.

1111
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: Privilege piece of shit like you that you are nothing

1112
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: like you're just it was.

1113
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 6: Well, I mean again, I think that was Johan and

1114
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 6: I think it was also. The crazy part about that

1115
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 6: is that sort of resonated with a certain segment of

1116
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 6: our audience. Was like the idea, and we touched on

1117
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 6: it much later with Joe, Like just the idea that

1118
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 6: this man was brought in chains right to this black

1119
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 6: man was brought in chains to the secret place he's

1120
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 6: calling the white white president a boy just is like

1121
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 6: made him doubly triply powerful. Like there was all of

1122
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 6: those you sort of talked about before. I think that

1123
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 6: there was a lot more like Trojan horse stuff and

1124
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 6: many many more layers than think than than really had

1125
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 6: to be, and that I think a lot of people

1126
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 6: understood at the time, but that you know, in addition

1127
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 6: to the performance and it being an amazingly written speech

1128
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 6: and Tony's performance against him really strong, there was a

1129
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 6: lot of other layers to that, and a lot of

1130
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 6: talk about the metaphors in that scene too, which was

1131
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 6: was really just I don't know, top notch. I mean,

1132
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 6: he just doesn't stop, like it just feels like he's

1133
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 6: on like a I don't even know. And Oliver, which

1134
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 6: we I don't know if you guys talk about him

1135
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 6: on the show as well, so we have to.

1136
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 5: Have him on.

1137
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: Oliver Bogelberg was our TP He directed a bunch of

1138
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: episodes too, but he was our DP and he is

1139
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: an incredible camera like artist. He's just such an artist.

1140
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 2: The way he shot that show, it was not shot

1141
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: like a typical broadcast drama at all. This was so

1142
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm like souls here. This was like such a part

1143
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 2: of this show that we have not really I mean, Seana,

1144
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: we had her on and we talked, but it was

1145
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: so much about the beginning of scale, like where the

1146
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: ideas come from, how she wrote the pilot, like casting

1147
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: and you know, the first three weeks we shot ever

1148
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: and the rehearsals and all of that. But this is

1149
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: so fascinating, and I'm so grateful to you spending the time,

1150
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: and thank you. I could talk to you for hours

1151
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: because we definitely have you back on for the launch

1152
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: to know, like, I still feel like you're you're a

1153
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: pretty good vault and haven't given us much.

1154
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 3: We're going to crack them. We're whisky next time.

1155
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: The whole time of the show too, it was a

1156
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: vault the whole time. We didn't know what was going

1157
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: on in there. We didn't know how decisions were made,

1158
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: We didn't know why things stuck or went away or

1159
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: like anything. You guys were such a little b six

1160
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: thirteen amongst yourselves.

1161
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 6: Well, a lot of it was a surprise to us,

1162
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 6: right like Cotts, Like I said, we didn't always see

1163
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 6: and then also like we're doing it in real time,

1164
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 6: so sometimes it'd be like I genuinely don't know the

1165
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 6: answer to your question. Like Columbus used to come up to

1166
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 6: me all the time and think that somehow he could

1167
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 6: like dance his way into getting some information out of me.

1168
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 6: I'm so I would love to obviously do it again,

1169
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 6: and I love you know this kind of stuff terrifies me,

1170
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 6: But the reality is like, no, you're so good getting

1171
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 6: the opportunity to talk about this thing again where I

1172
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 6: made so many lifelong friends and to talk to you

1173
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 6: guys and sort of remember some of the amazing fun

1174
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 6: we had. Like I just couldn't pass up on that

1175
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 6: opportunity and get.

1176
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: To watch the episode, right and get to watch the

1177
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: show again, like that must have been.

1178
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 6: Exciting watch it, watch it having the experience of watching

1179
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 6: it knowing where it ends, so like watching David Rosen

1180
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 6: and and Dan and knowing where that's going to go

1181
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 6: in a couple of episodes, which is amazing yeah.

1182
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: Oh man, this was the freaking best here. You're so amazing.

1183
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: Here was amazing. Thank you for coming on. And now

1184
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: we're going to put pivot because the President of.

1185
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: Sam here, can you believe it? Fitz Gerald Grant, the

1186
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 3: Tony here the third. Oh shit, don't forget the three.

1187
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: Don't forget that three. Fitzgerald Grant the third is here

1188
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: to talk to us also about this episode, because it's

1189
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: a big presidential episode. It's a big presidential season. All

1190
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: of season three is all about him getting re elected

1191
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: and if he will have a second term. And oh

1192
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: my god, Tony, we're not even going to take up

1193
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 2: that much of your time because we just are.

1194
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 4: You kidding to get to spend time with you, guys.

1195
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: You look so handsome as per usual letters not Tony

1196
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: Goblin is still a site for sore. First of all,

1197
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: I want to hear about how you're doing in your life,

1198
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: and you have so many things going on coming up

1199
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: and have just come out. But also, we couldn't talk

1200
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: about this episode without going into this freaking monologue situation, like.

1201
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 4: Crazy, Like I just rewatched the whole episode.

1202
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:42,959
Speaker 2: You did, you did?

1203
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: It was so it's so good, right.

1204
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 4: It's really It just reminds me how crazy Scandal was. God,

1205
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 4: how much story is episode of it is so outrageous.

1206
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: And that being seen, just that opening scene, it's like

1207
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: so much going on and so like new things, Like

1208
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: it was super like we're.

1209
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: Talking about Sally Likestin killing Daniel Douglass right where like

1210
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: you know he's been murdered in the episode before, but

1211
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 2: now we see their like big last fight, like she

1212
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: stabs them in the end, in the back with a

1213
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: freaking letter opener.

1214
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean it is, but I love how they sort

1215
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: of go back and forth and then you hear the

1216
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: characters talking but you don't see them their mouths moving.

1217
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: It's super like edgy, like, oh it's so cool, it's

1218
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: so interesting. Yeah, I knew.

1219
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 4: She like made all that decisions in the cutting room

1220
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 4: like this she did.

1221
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm sure, right, yeah.

1222
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 4: Well I didn't go ahead look at the script, but

1223
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 4: that was like classic Shonda, you know, taking it all

1224
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 4: part and putting it back together in a really crazy way.

1225
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 4: I think would she do that?

1226
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: You have experience like that because you directed some of

1227
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: the episodes that you saw like what Shonda would do

1228
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 2: in the editing room that you were like, oh shit,

1229
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: like that, that's crazy, like you do rip them together.

1230
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 4: Well, I can't rememb ive ever told you guys this,

1231
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 4: but years and years and years ago when I first

1232
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 4: met you on it, when I directed Gray's Anatomy, I

1233
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 4: had you know, when you direct an episode of a

1234
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 4: television show, you know you have like you turn in

1235
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 4: your director's cut, right, So when I did Gray's Anatomy,

1236
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 4: I think I only directed movies. I think up until

1237
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 4: that point, I directed a couple of movies. So I

1238
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: felt it kind of like, well my impresson. I took

1239
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 4: the episode and I made some decisions editorially, but I thought, well,

1240
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 4: of this scene is a long and we'll just chop

1241
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 4: that out, and this would be better if you move

1242
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 4: this here and do that there. And I thought, give

1243
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 4: this to the and I done know. I know I'd

1244
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 4: done the L word, and I lean the showrunner of

1245
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: that love that. She was like, grid't me your ideas. Anyway,

1246
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 4: I go and I took some made some changes to

1247
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 4: the thing, and it was my opinion of what I

1248
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 4: thought would work best. Turned into the next year, they

1249
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 4: hired me back to do another episode. Editor I go

1250
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 4: into the cutting room and he says, before we get started,

1251
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 4: I WI need to talk about something. I said, what

1252
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 4: he said, Yeah, last year, Seanda was a little upset

1253
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 4: with with your cut. I said no. He said, yeah,

1254
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 4: you know, she really wants everything in there, and you

1255
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, cut some stuff and made some

1256
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: and and uh and he sort of had to give

1257
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 4: me a talking to because what Seawan, wow, which not

1258
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 4: all producers want, is she wants the script exactly as

1259
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 4: written in the director's cut, so you make it has

1260
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 4: to have every word be in the right order and

1261
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 4: exactly what, you know, what was written. And then she

1262
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 4: goes in and does and rewrites the whole show in

1263
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 4: the editing room and sometimes completely deconstructs things. But it

1264
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: really threw her that I had made some choices. You

1265
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: I got in trouble.

1266
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 8: I wouldn't see that, understandal I always said that, Yeah,

1267
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 8: that was I don't write I was you kidding, I

1268
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 8: don't know it's gone it was.

1269
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: It was the third episode of Grey's Anatomy as well. Yeah,

1270
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 4: oh wow.

1271
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: Interesting. And Tim Brathy used to come in. That makes

1272
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: sense because he used to come and be like, shit

1273
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: that we just did the string together of this episode.

1274
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: We're fucking nineteen minutes over because like we were shooting

1275
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: one hundred page scripts for a forty two minute show.

1276
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: The most plot dialogue shit to fit in ever, and

1277
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: if she wants it, every single word and stage direction

1278
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: is in there in the correct order.

1279
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: I mean that is a lot a long show. Yeah,

1280
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: that is a lot.

1281
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you turn it something in that long you do

1282
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 4: do that. But you know, I thought it was fun

1283
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 4: actually directing once I knew the ground rule. So when

1284
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 4: we did Scandal, I was just like, Okay, I'm going

1285
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: to take this script that Chonda wrote and deliver it

1286
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 4: in the tightest best way I possibly can, with the

1287
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 4: best performances. And that's an interesting kind of like editorial assignment,

1288
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Nobody she's going to come

1289
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 4: in and do like what she did in three ten,

1290
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 4: which is that's like a my movie. The story in

1291
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 4: that there's like a whole I was amazed when I

1292
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 4: rewatched it.

1293
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: I was just like, you rewatched it? Can you This

1294
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: fucking monologue goes down in history, I think, which is

1295
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: why we had to have you back on Like we're

1296
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,959
Speaker 2: talking gladiators about you are a little boy monologue where

1297
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: you're a boy, Yeah, you're a boy? Fits gets you know,

1298
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: pop a pope. He's all tied up and he's in

1299
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: like some really aware and I mean it's the monoe mono.

1300
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: I don't even know how you would how would you

1301
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: paraphrase this scene?

1302
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: It's Yeah, I blames for that monologue because you start

1303
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: off by just going in and telling him your daughter.

1304
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: You say, I love the way she tastes as much like.

1305
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 3: You had coming. Yeah, he's just taking it in.

1306
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Speaker 4: And then just and Joe delivered that model like I

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Speaker 4: went into like a twenty minute shame spiral just for

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Speaker 4: saying those main things to me. I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 4: do you.

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Speaker 2: Remember reading it at the table read? I don't, do

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Speaker 2: you Do you remember when you first laid eyes on that?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 2: Were you terrifying?

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Speaker 4: Were you?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: What I mostly remember is shooting it.

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Speaker 5: I remember I sort of have a memory.

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Speaker 4: Of the the table reading, thinking Wow, what an incredible thing.

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00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 4: But when Joe unloaded on me, I was in shock.

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Speaker 4: I was like, it was so so intense and so theatrical.

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Speaker 4: It was like operatic.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, So I was kind of stunned at the

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Speaker 8: at his balls in delivering it in that in the

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Speaker 8: way that he did, Like it was it was.

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Speaker 4: It was super impact. I remember being like having my seating,

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Speaker 4: you be on the receiving end of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he goes into he goes into accents, He

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Speaker 1: went into accents, into characters.

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Speaker 3: He was like getting down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is easy, and oh you're a little boy

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Speaker 2: and like all this ship You're like, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it was. I knew what he was doing

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01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 4: was brilliant and it was so theatrical. I was like,

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Speaker 4: is our show gounna going to sustain this intense theatricality?

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Speaker 4: And then I didn't. Honestly, I didn't understand fully what

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Speaker 4: Joe was doing until I saw it later, Like I

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Speaker 4: appreciate it, and I've always thought Joe's brilliant no matter

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Speaker 4: what he does. But when I it's so deep what

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01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 4: he's doing in that scene, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Like that's why watching it now, ten years later or

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Speaker 4: whatever it is, it's very especially all we've been through

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Speaker 4: in the years since about race and you know, and

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01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 4: power dynamics in our society and all of that. I

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01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 4: didn't have a fucking clue in twenty thirteen or whatever

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Speaker 4: it was, you know, I was like, yes, I didn't

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01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 4: understand what where Joe was honestly coming from me. That's

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01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 4: like a I'm just admitting that, you know. And now

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Speaker 4: when I in retrospect of all that we've had had

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01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 4: to process and think about and face, I watch it

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Speaker 4: now and I'm like, it's very disturbing. I mean, Joe

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Speaker 4: won an Emmy for that episode, didn't Oh did.

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Speaker 3: He for that one?

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Speaker 2: I think for a guest star, right, because is he

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Speaker 2: recurring at this point?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a guest star.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he won the Go Scandal. I think the

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Speaker 2: year before it went to Dan Bubutinski, and I think

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Speaker 2: this season it went to Joe Morton for this.

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Speaker 4: Episode for that long yeah, really, yeah, And Joe always

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Speaker 4: I get the what he did, which is why he

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Speaker 4: so deservedly won an Emmy for that character. He just

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Speaker 4: swung so hard with his point of view on Pop

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Speaker 4: Up Pope, you know, and it's just such good casting.

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Speaker 4: He's so great. Yeah, it's so ballsy what he does,

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Speaker 4: you know. And I was often on the receiving end

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Speaker 4: of the right. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: So do you remember like preparing for your scene with

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Speaker 2: Joe or you were just like, I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: show up. Whatever he does is what he's going to do.

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Speaker 4: No, it was the latter. I mean I I mean

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Speaker 4: I prepared for it. I had my point of view

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Speaker 4: and its FITs' point of view, and I knew Joe.

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Speaker 4: I was excited to see what Joe did with the

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Speaker 4: speech because it was a great monologue, you know, but

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Speaker 4: I was it was like being billbo Baggins the dead

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01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 4: of smog from the dragon comes out breath breath of

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Speaker 4: fire at you.

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Speaker 9: You know, you're like, like, I have a feeling that

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Speaker 9: There was like thunderous applause after he was done, after

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Speaker 9: every TAKEO or people were just like, oh my god,

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Speaker 9: Like the crew usually like bows down when when he

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Speaker 9: would deliver a performance like that or anyone else.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't quite I think people work in kind of

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Speaker 4: awe of it. But it was such a racially charged

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01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 4: indictment of fits of me that I think it was

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Speaker 4: very uncomfortable. It was like, yeah, like shit just got real. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and it's weird. You know. It's like, I'm Joe and

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Speaker 4: I are good friends, but and we've known each other

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Speaker 4: forever and work together many times, and but being on

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Speaker 4: the receiving end of that was not comfortable.

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Speaker 1: It was, yeah, that was and you kind of you

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01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: kind of see fits is like vulnerability right in his innocence,

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Speaker 1: and he is like a little boy because for him

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01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: not to you know, all this stuff starts to sort

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01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: of hit him. And it's so interesting to see him

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01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: so like like you know again in awe and not

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Speaker 1: really like not believing what what Rowan is telling him. Like,

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Speaker 1: it's so interesting to see him so like like just

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Speaker 1: hit so hard with those words.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a sense it's I mean it's not it's

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01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 4: not it's not the whole picture, but it's all true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's essentially saying, so all these things we

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01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: learned in Scandal, which like just like you are a

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01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: a white boy of privilege who didn't have to you know,

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01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: they're the things in Scandal verse that we're always like,

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01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: you know, I've worked twice as hard to get half

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01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: as much. Is not your story. That's that's Papa Pop's story,

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01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: and that's Olivia Pope's story, and that's not your story. Which, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be wild watching this show back since George

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01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,959
Speaker 2: Dloyd and all of these and the Black Lives Matter

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01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: movement and all this stuff, because we were before that,

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01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: like we were and even like we haven't even gone

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Speaker 2: to the lawn chair.

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Speaker 3: Episod we've done any of that work.

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Speaker 2: Like, we haven't gotten any of that. I also think

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01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 2: as actors were constantly told. I think in terms of

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Speaker 2: like you being like, oh could this could the show

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01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: hold these choices that are like that. I think we're

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: told all the time, like can you be smaller? Can

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 2: you be smaller? Like you know for those listening, like

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01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: a camera really is a microscope, and sometimes facial expressions

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Speaker 2: or things can look something you might do on a

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: stage to reach the back row you wouldn't do on

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01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: camera because it's too close up and it would look insane.

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Speaker 2: But Joe obviously like he don't give.

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Speaker 3: A ship, you don't give a ship.

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01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: But he's committed too, He's committed, so all that craziness

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Speaker 1: just works.

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Speaker 4: And it's totally real. That's the other thing about as actors,

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Speaker 4: you know, like if you fucking commit, yeah, and it's

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01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 4: real for you, it's going to be real for whoever's receiving.

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Speaker 4: Look at hat and the opening scene, you know, she's

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Speaker 4: like Kate Burton too, is like so theatrical, which's sober

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01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 4: or so much more like Bellamy does is beautifully theatrical

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01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 4: and it's like or so a lot of our cast

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01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 4: is like too yeah, Jeff too man in this episode

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01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 4: the stuff with him and Danny, Oh my god, you

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01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 4: can see the three sixes on my yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the devil came in all throat.

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01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: We always talk about food on our podcast, but and

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01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: people eating in episodes because G and I are obsessed

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01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: with actors who eat or who don't eat, or you know,

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01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 2: you're carrying a coffee cup and it doesn't look hot or

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01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,479
Speaker 2: doesn't look full. But has everyone worked with barf because

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01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: Jeff Perry did a good job in this episode throwing up.

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Speaker 3: You did a really good job.

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01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 4: Throwing up was some real barfing.

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01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 2: It was a real He throws up because he realizes

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 2: that essentially Sally Langston murdering Daniel Douglas is kind of

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01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: his fall. And then we're going to do some tweets

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Speaker 2: to the time. Well, I really like these ones tonight

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01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: because people talk some shit about Quinn, which I always love.

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01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: Sissy Nane says, Quinn is, without a doubt, the worst

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01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 2: character on show.

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01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: I loved you know it for in the beginning of

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01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: the show, when people would tweet like nasty stuff or

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01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: mean shit to me or to any of us. I

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01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: would get upset, and then I started to enjoy it now,

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01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: like that's what cracks me up.

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01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: Love it. I love it. It's great what you do.

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01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: You don't want to be boring. You want people to

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01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,919
Speaker 2: feel one way or the other.

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01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: Someone tweeted at me one saying that I Huck looks

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01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: like he's constipated in every scene like it looked. They

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01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: were like, he's such a bad actor. He just looks

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01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: like he's constipated in every scene.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Ezra Xx tweeted, my flight number is B six and

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01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: today is the thirteenth, so you know, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm on Scandal.

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Speaker 3: So B six thirteen. Wish me luck.

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01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: Oh h Cindy Capanera s you see Cap tweeted, I'm

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01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 2: going to yell a monologue at you about who I

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01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: am and who I'm not and why I am that

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01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: way hashtag scandal.

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01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: Maris Kreisman tweeted a reality show competition based on Scandal

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01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: in which the loser of the week goes home to

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01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: the tagline.

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Speaker 3: You're not a gladiator anymore. That's good.

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01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 2: I like that and this is true. At shidmoh One,

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01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 2: Mike s wrote, I hate my winter coats. If only

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01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 2: I had an assortment of winter coats like Olivia Pope.

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01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: I feel like that to this day, never ever, has

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 2: there ever been a better coat back.

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Speaker 3: So many clothes, so many gloves, so many bags? Who

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01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 3: has the time? Where did you have the time to shop?

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01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: Like?

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01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 2: Who?

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01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: Like this is the busiest woman in DC and she

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01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: had like all the most amazing clothes.

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Speaker 2: Next week, Listeners, Next up Word episode three eleven called

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Speaker 2: Ride Sally Ride.

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Speaker 3: Another good one title. Thank you Gladiators, Thank you guys

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Speaker 3: for listening.

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Speaker 1: Bye, Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.

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Speaker 1: If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate,

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Speaker 1: or leave us a review.

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Speaker 2: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alce, Lauren Homan,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

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Speaker 2: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

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Speaker 1: follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu.

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