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Speaker 1: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Reivalry. No, no, sibling,

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Speaker 1: you don't do that with your mouth revelry. That's good, Oliver,

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Speaker 1: this was a dream for me. I just want to say,

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Speaker 1: right off the bat, Kevin and Michael Bacon, the Bacon brothers.

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Speaker 1: I was so excited about this because Kevin Bacon always

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Speaker 1: feels like I don't know, I mean, he's clearly iconic,

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Speaker 1: he's timeless. Yeah, and these times he looks yeah, so

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Speaker 1: fucking good. That's great. I just want all the ladies

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Speaker 1: out there and men to know the guy and cool.

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Speaker 1: He got this swag so cool that is even tempered,

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Speaker 1: and I was, I mean, listen, Kira is a Sedgewick,

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Speaker 1: seems pretty cool herself. Cool couple, you know one of

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Speaker 1: these ones. Great they they did it, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not easy to do it together A

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Speaker 1: long and then his brother too. I loved, I loved

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Speaker 1: you know, seeing what that relationship was. And even though

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Speaker 1: this band together, they've been in this band for for

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Speaker 1: twenty plus years, but there's this you feel the weight

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Speaker 1: it's sort of how you look up to me. God,

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Speaker 1: going to ruin this because it's such a great moment

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Speaker 1: come out and then I'm going to post it on

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Speaker 1: so people can see it. But he the brother did

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Speaker 1: do something that really warmed me. And I don't even

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Speaker 1: want to get into what it was. I think people

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Speaker 1: will know. But it is typical of a brother that

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Speaker 1: is that much older has memories. That's different when you're

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Speaker 1: kind of high school years more thoroughly, whereas Michael can

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Speaker 1: really remember Kevin young. And so anyway, there was a

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Speaker 1: moment that just I mean, it just tick my heart.

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Speaker 1: It just tickled my heart. So so they have a

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Speaker 1: new album. It's called The Way We Love and it

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Speaker 1: came out in Quarantine this summer. I immediately could hear

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Speaker 1: the influences, and it's the first thing I asked them

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Speaker 1: connect on liking similar types of music. Right and without

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Speaker 1: ruining it, Katie pulled out a band that was like,

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Speaker 1: not the most popular band in the whole entire world,

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Speaker 1: you know, and she just hit she just hit it

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Speaker 1: right on the money with what their influence was, or

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Speaker 1: at least, I mean, it was pretty impressive. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: out of that. But but but yeah, I could hear it,

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Speaker 1: and I really enjoy their album. It's really nice. It's

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Speaker 1: a really nice album to listen to. And they have

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Speaker 1: a really fun song called British Invasion, which I just

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Speaker 1: I miss hearing bands. I miss hearing music that's recorded

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Speaker 1: But you know what's also crazy. I spent the whole

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Speaker 1: week before, like in Aspen, literally feeling like the girl

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Speaker 1: I'm sexy walk. Who Now who was the actress in it? Oh? God,

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Speaker 1: in Footlooths. Here are some options. Lori's singer, Lri's singer. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna absolutely love it and so happy that came on,

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Speaker 1: and so please enjoy. Michael and Kevin Bacon. I'm so

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you get this all the time, but like

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Mike, I do. I love them? Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: There you go, that's a good one. I would have

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Speaker 1: felt all of those influences for sure. But but I mean,

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Speaker 1: that we we spent I think Kevin and I both

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time as father's trying not to

427
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Speaker 1: replicate the relationship that we had with our father, and

428
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Speaker 1: I think we succeeded in that. I think we're both

429
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: incredibly close with well, I just have one. I'm incredibly close,

430
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: and Kevin has two kids, and he's incredibly close with

431
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: both of those two. And our father is a very

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Speaker 1: distance and very work so when he would come home

433
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: at night, he'd have a scotch in the rocks, and

434
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: most of the conversation was really about his work. And

435
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: I think that he blended interpersonal relationships with work too much.

436
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Speaker 1: And I think that we were both careful to make

437
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Speaker 1: that separation so that you know, we weren't hiding what

438
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: we did, but we didn't make that some incredibly important

439
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: uh path for for a child to follow. Yeah, I

440
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: would say I definitely agree with that. I think that

441
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Speaker 1: one of the one of the hard things is to

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Speaker 1: kind of balance this idea of you know that notion

443
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Speaker 1: and being closer and being more involved in your kid's

444
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: life and not being quite so dismissive with also trying

445
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Speaker 1: to instill a sense of independence and the ability to

446
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, go out and and and do something and

447
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't have to be necessarily some level of success

448
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: or or money, but just go out and you know,

449
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: try to find something that's going to give you peace

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Speaker 1: and happiness or or a sense of satisfaction or a

451
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Speaker 1: sense of accomplishment in your life that isn't related to

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Speaker 1: me and your mother, you know what I mean? Your

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Speaker 1: own what what? What's what's your own thing? So balancing

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Speaker 1: that with you know, I want to do everything for

455
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: you and know everything single detail of your life and

456
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: be involved in every single you know, part part of

457
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Speaker 1: your life. That's that to me has been the balancing act.

458
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: And my kids are twenty eight and thirty one now,

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Speaker 1: and so I feel like we're in a good, really

460
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: good place, like in terms of that, you know, we

461
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: communicate a lot, and I think I think a lot

462
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: of times that as long as that's there, as long

463
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Speaker 1: as you can actually you know, have a conversation with

464
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Speaker 1: them and and and uh, you know, talk about something

465
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Speaker 1: you know meaningful, then then then it all can kind

466
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: of spread out from there. Did you ever have moments

467
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: where you want wanted to help them but knew that

468
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: you shouldn't, meaning you know, I want to save you

469
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: right now, but fuck I'm not going going to And

470
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 1: that's the hardest thing that I've ever had to do,

471
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: is not save you. Yeah, I got at. I got

472
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: a funny story about that. So my son different than

473
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: my daughter. You know, they come out you having nothing

474
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 1: to do with how we raised them. My daughter was

475
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: one to be held twenty four hours a day, clung

476
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: to you like a monkey, I mean, just like all

477
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: the time. My son, I mean just mister independence. From

478
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: the time he was a little kid, like I don't

479
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: need I don't need you. I don't need to learn anything.

480
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to learn anything from you. I've got

481
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: I got this. So he's we grew up in Manhattan.

482
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: He grew up Manhattan, Michael Grumphilly. But they grew up Manhattan,

483
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: and he started wanting to walk to school, which was

484
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: about uh probably ten ten blocks, about ten ten twelve blocks,

485
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: and uh, he wanted to do it on his own

486
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: when he was like seven, I think really, like really

487
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: and and I was like I don't think so son,

488
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: and he and he just was like hell bent and

489
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: determined to do it. So I was like, you know, listen,

490
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: it's daylight, you know, it's it's going to be fine,

491
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: it's safe. He's he's pretty street wise. I mean, we

492
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: grew up in Philadelphia. We were never I was never home.

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Speaker 1: I had the key, and as soon as I got

494
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: home from school, I went out on the street and

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Speaker 1: I come home for dinner, you know, or when it

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Speaker 1: got dark. I mean I was there. I was from

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Speaker 1: the time I was very, very little. So Philadelphia was

498
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: different than New York and that was the you know,

499
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Speaker 1: early sixties, and this was whatever. But I talked to

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Speaker 1: Cure about it. She said, all right, you know, let's

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00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: let's let's give it a shot. So he knew that

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Speaker 1: the deal was that you're not supposed to cross on

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Speaker 1: a red light. And I told him, no crossing on

504
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Speaker 1: the red light when you're walking to school. I know,

505
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: sometimes we you know, fudge the rules on that, because

506
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: if you're in New Yorker with your kids, you never

507
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: wait for It's a terrible it's a terrible you know,

508
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: disconnect between what you actually do and what you tell

509
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: them to do. But I said, but in case, you

510
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: have to do it. So I decided to follow him

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00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: to school so that I could watch and see you

512
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: know how he handled this. And he got to UH

513
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: one block away and walked right through the red light

514
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: and there was a car. He put out his hand

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Speaker 1: like this. He put out his hand like yo, yo

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Speaker 1: yo to stop the car. I was like, holy shit,

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00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't want so now I think of myself, what

518
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Speaker 1: do I do. I followed him the rest of the

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Speaker 1: way to school and I didn't say anything. And you know,

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00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: he made it. I mean, and he got home from

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Speaker 1: school that day and I said, you know, we talked

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00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: about this and I told you that you were not

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00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: allowed to cross the street. He goes, I didn't. I said, yes,

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00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: you did, because I saw you. I saw you on

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Speaker 1: eighty seventh Street across the street and put your hand out,

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00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: So I knew the details, right, So we knew that

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00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: I was. And he said, okay, how did you see it?

528
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: And I said, listen, I see everything. I'm always watching.

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Speaker 1: So know that course course Light, tours light. Everyone knows.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you listen to this podcast, you know

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Speaker 1: how much we love course Light. You know that I'm

532
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: still in Colorado. You know that I'm still pounding my

533
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: course lights responsibly, responsibly life life today, it's kind of

534
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: a lot it's kind of a lot going on. Oh

535
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: my god, sometimes you just need a course light to

536
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: get you through the day. Oh my god, it's true,

537
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: is true. You know what Drinking responsibly helps. Drinking responsibly helps.

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00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone needs a moment to chill especially now.

539
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: If I was to give the world something to help

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00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: everyone just chill out, I would give them an ice

541
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: cold corese light. That's what I would do. Let's enjoy

542
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: it our course light. Oh that sounds good right now.

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00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: I was born in the rocky mountains of Colorado. They

544
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: literally made the perfect looking beer for Colorado. It's just

545
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: you look at it and it just kind of makes

546
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: you feel good. It feels like you're in the right place. Yeah, yeah,

547
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: that's right. And now the mountains on bottles they turn

548
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: blue when it's perfectly cold. So they got that. They

549
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: got your back, you know. Real quick. I want to

550
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: talk about how that it's only one hundred and two calories,

551
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: because I always think that, especially the ladies and guys,

552
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: because you know, let's be honest, we all need to

553
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: be mindful of art caloric intake. Yeah, it's it's one

554
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: hundred and two calories. It's a three point beer. We

555
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: like that. Mm hmmm, yes we do. Yeah, we love it.

556
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: So that's why corse Light is the one that we

557
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: choose when Katie and I need a moment of chill.

558
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: Sometimes we're yelling at each other and Kate I just say, Kate,

559
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: cors Light and then things just go go back to normal.

560
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: So when you want to reset, you got to reach

561
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: for the beer that's made to chill. You can have

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Speaker 1: corse Light delivered by going to get dot Coreslight dot

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564
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Speaker 1: that's right, Celebrate Responsibly Brewing Company, Golden Colorado. So Oliver this,

565
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Speaker 1: I love butcher Box, Oh my god, and you now

566
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Speaker 1: have You're green egg and you love I mean, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Butcher Box during quarantine has been one of the great

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Speaker 1: things of my life. The quality number one. Quality is

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Speaker 1: what matters. First of all is what matters. There's no price. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you want a good priced meat that's good quality, and

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Speaker 1: you want to make sure that you can trust that

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00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: it's good and that you don't want to spend an

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Speaker 1: arm and a leg that's right and it's humanly raised.

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Speaker 1: You want high quality. You want meat that's important to you.

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Speaker 1: You want it to be better for the animal, better

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Speaker 1: for the environment. That's what butcher box is doing. You know,

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00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: it's not just about putting meat in a box. They

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Speaker 1: care about what kind of meat they're putting in this box.

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Speaker 1: And we've got fish, We've got legs, crab legs, we've

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00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: got scallops. I mean, there's so much amazing. There's free range,

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00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: organic chicken, wild caught salmon, and you know, I think

582
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: it's I think that it you know, it's important for

583
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: people to know that it's hard to find a lot

584
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: of times good meat and good fish. So it's it's

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00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: kind of nice. It kind of takes the guessing out

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00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: of it. You get your butcher box, you know what

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00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: you got and you cook accordingly. And it's one less

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00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: trip to the grocery store, which is fine by me.

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00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: And it's affordable. It's way more affordable than going to

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Speaker 1: the grocery store. Yeah, I'm a butcher box fan. I

591
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: just throw my entire butcher box on my green egg

592
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: and just smoke it all at all the meat, it's

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00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: free of antibiotics and added hormones. Each box, it's nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven pounds of meat, so it's enough for twenty

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Speaker 1: four individual meals. Everything comes fresh, it's shipped, frozen and

596
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: vacuum sealed so it stays fresh and frozen. And then

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00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: you can customize your box or you can go with

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Speaker 1: one of one of you know theirs that they recommend,

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Speaker 1: but you can also customize. So with butcher Box you

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Speaker 1: get the highest quality meat for just around six dollars

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00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: a meal when you break it down, they have free

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Speaker 1: shipping nationwide except alasking why right now, butcher box is

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Speaker 1: offering new members two lobster tales and two filet mignon

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Speaker 1: tails and two Filet Mignon's for free in your first box.

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Speaker 1: So just go to butcherbox dot com slash sibling. That's

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Speaker 1: butcherbox dot com slash sibling. So you guys have six siblings.

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Speaker 1: What is the order of the siblings? Kevin, you're the baby,

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00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: and Michael, where do you fit in. I've got three

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Speaker 1: older sisters, one younger sister, and then Kevin, so I'm

611
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: kind of the low middle. So Kevin, were you a surprise? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: it was funny. Oliver was talking about letters, one of

613
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: my favorite, most beautiful letters that I have. My mother

614
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: is when I you know, I told her, I said, listen, mom,

615
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: come on, I was a mistake. Let's face it. And

616
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: she wrote me this letter about it was it was

617
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: this long kind of history of all the children and

618
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: sort of implying like what was happening at the time

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: and the music and this time of year, and it

620
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: was but it was really about sort of like romance

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Speaker 1: and how this everyone could have, you know, whatever. And

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Speaker 1: and then she said at the end of it, So

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Speaker 1: were you a surprise? No? Or no no, she said,

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00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: were you a mistake? No, you were a She said

625
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: something like blessed surprise or something like that. So, but yeah,

626
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: let's face it. I mean you have you have five kids,

627
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: and then eight years later half another one. And my parents,

628
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: my parents were not We're not like super they were

629
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: not wealthy people, and so they were putting everybody through college,

630
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: the people that were going through college. So even from

631
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Speaker 1: a financial standpoint, it was really not a good idea,

632
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: but I'm glad they did. So when you were born,

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00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: you had siblings going to college. I had siblings. Two

634
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: of my sisters were already out out of the house.

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00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Michael. What was the family reaction to Mom

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Speaker 1: being pregnant with Kevin. It was so fantastic, really because

637
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: we already had this kind of five person family and

638
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: it really wasn't and I should just interject, it's kind

639
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 1: of amazing because our parents were not howarly lovey dovey,

640
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: let's put it that way. But obviously they were having

641
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: sex way into their middle age, you know, So you know,

642
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a really good indicator of what

643
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: it looks like on the outside and what it is

644
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: in the inside. You just you can't tell. Me and

645
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: our parents victorians, so they didn't show emotion. They were

646
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: but they clearly had a fantastic relationship and just adored

647
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: each other when they were alone. The rest of it,

648
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: it didn't really see it that much. So anyway, Kevin

649
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: comes along, and as I said before, my parents are

650
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: kind of done with the whole children thing, and they

651
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: were doing a lot of traveling. They probably went to

652
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: Europe almost every summer. My father was super busy flying

653
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: all over the place, and so it and the two

654
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: eldest sisters were kind of out of the family by

655
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: that time. So the sister right above me, Hilda, almost

656
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: became like this sort of surrogate nanny mama kind of person,

657
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: of which I was the next one down, and our

658
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: younger sister the next one. So the Kevin and the

659
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: three of us became almost a separate kind of a family,

660
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: and we loved it. We found such joy in watching

661
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: him grow up and hearing all the goofy things he said,

662
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: and and you know, you know, of course later on

663
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: we shared music together, and my sister Hilda and I

664
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: shared music together, So I don't really remember anything any

665
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: having any feelings of what what is this here? Oh? No,

666
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 1: another boy? I can't deal with that. So it was cool,

667
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: It was really great. Did you take on par parental responsibilities?

668
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: You know my thought? Really just because no, no, not

669
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: at all, just because I would want to. It wasn't

670
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: like I felt some obligation. And actually Kevin has a

671
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: really fantastic song about this called Driver, which is kind

672
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: of about Kevin. If you don't mind me telling the

673
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: background of the song. Of course, you have no choice,

674
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: because I already did. My sister was kind of left

675
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: in charge of Kevin one or two summers because my

676
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: parents are away, and she kind of had to take

677
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: care of him. But I don't. I've never heard her

678
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: complain about it, you know. And the song is really

679
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: a beautiful sense of how what the question you're exactly

680
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: asking is what happens when all of a sudden in

681
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: a family, when a little kid comes along? What is

682
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: the role? What is the how does the older how

683
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: do the older people behave? Uh? Do they feel put upon?

684
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: Do they feel glad? So? I think we I think

685
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: we all felt really good about it. So, so your

686
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: dad was a city planner? Is that in Philadelphia? Yes?

687
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: And he referred to as as the father of modern Philadelphia? Correct? Famous?

688
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah he was famous. Yeah, he was famous. Yeah. Yeah.

689
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: What's interesting is our father was really famous in Philadelphia

690
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: and generally outside of Philadelphia. Oh, you're Kevin Spacon's brother.

691
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: When I go to Philadelphia, I'm Ed Bacon's son. I

692
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: mean within the city. And I can remember going to

693
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: public high school and going home with my you know,

694
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: my near do well friends, and we passed the newsstand

695
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: and there's our father on the cover of Time magazine

696
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: And it just was a weird thing because people in

697
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: my milieu at public eige school in Philadelphia didn't really

698
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: they couldn't really imagine that. But that was kind of

699
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: a part of who we are too, is we had

700
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: this incredibly famous father. Was it was I mean was

701
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: he famous to the point where you walk around Philly

702
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, I mean everyone knew knew who

703
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: he was signing. He's been dead for he's been dead

704
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: for how many years? Have you? Oh? Absolutely? And people

705
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: all the time, you know, come up to me and say, God,

706
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: your dad was so great. And he was a very

707
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: beloved character in Philadelphia, and he his values were amazing.

708
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: He could have made we could have been so rich

709
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: because he was a city planner. He could for instance,

710
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: when the Pennsylvania Turnpike interchange came by, he was the

711
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: one that decided exactly where it was going to go.

712
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: And if he had started a shell company and bought

713
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: all the acreage five years before that, I mean, he

714
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: would have made billions of dollars. And he just he

715
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: never had any any desire to And that's why that's

716
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: why we all grew up in a six five story

717
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: house in Philadelphia. But I mean, I really admire that

718
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: the longer he's gone, the more I think about, you know,

719
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: his values, his you know the books that he's written,

720
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: you pretty much can't go up to an architecture student

721
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: and say you know ed Bacon's Designer Cities. It's a

722
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: textbook that's been around probably for almost fifty years, and

723
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: it's a staple in every architecture or planning school in

724
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: the world. Did anybody follow in Dad's footsteps in architecture

725
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: or in in in design. Yeah, our sister Eleanor is

726
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: a in in sort of real est state development. She

727
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: was real instrumental in this big project that's called Southwest Waterfront,

728
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: which is down in d C. And she she kind

729
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: of has been in that for for quite some time. Uh.

730
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: And her her daughter isn't is an architect. But I

731
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's kind of it. You know,

732
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: It's interesting because, you know, a few things occurred to me.

733
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: One is that, as Michael pointed out, he was famous,

734
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: and he was famous in Philadelphia, and he was also totally,

735
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: really really into being famous. He saved like he saved

736
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: his clippings. He uh, he got stacks of that Time

737
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: magazine and they were like stacks of them, you know,

738
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: And and he would often, you know, be mentioned because

739
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: could be if you're if you're part of the planting commission.

740
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff that's happening on good and bad,

741
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, in the paper all the time, about places

742
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: and neighborhoods, changing things, being you know, you, you're you're

743
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: often sort of like the hero or the goat. And

744
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: he would read every single detail of his press. And

745
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: there were a lot of years where I was alone

746
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: with my parents because all of all of the kids

747
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: left the house when they were pretty young. I mean

748
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: I think everybody left them by the time they were sixteen,

749
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: So so that left me another eight years or so,

750
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, alone with my parents. And he would often

751
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: talk about what people were saying about him in the

752
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: in the press, and I think from my standpoint, that

753
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: gave me a really sort of like a kind of

754
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: conflicted relationship with fame, you know, because on one hand,

755
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: I know that I definitely wanted to be more famous

756
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: than my father. I mean, there was no doubt about

757
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: that that I that was a driving force for me.

758
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: I had to become a good actor or trying to

759
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: get good at doing anything was really a byproduct of

760
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: a desire to be famous and famous then then the

761
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: old man. So when it comes to my own children,

762
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: you know, again it's it's and and I'm sure you

763
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: guys can you know, feel free to comment on this.

764
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't want to. I've got a song

765
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: called Chocolood Carry Water that sort of addresses that, you know,

766
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I you know, I don't want

767
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: to put that kind of pressure on on them. I

768
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to put my own

769
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: sort of uh fame and their mother's fame, you know,

770
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: up on some sort of a past. I mean, there's

771
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: really no way around it. And in a funny kind

772
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: of way, but it definitely it's it's on my mind.

773
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: And I've said to them, you know, countless times, you know,

774
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: you they're you do you do what you need to do,

775
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: But you know, growing up, I guess I also feel

776
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: like growing up with super famous parents can be good

777
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: and it can also be just weird. It can just

778
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: be a weird way to kind of grow up. Yeah. Well,

779
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: I mean I I can, I can. I can speak

780
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: to that a little bit, just story, both can. But

781
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: I we have very different stories. Kate and I raised

782
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: by you know, the same people in the same way.

783
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Like you were saying, your son is one way and

784
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: your daughter is another. You know, Katie and I have

785
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: a cord that is just bonds as something deep. But

786
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: we're very different. We go about things differently, our personalities

787
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: are very different. And when you talk about fame and

788
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: just being your own person, for me, it was nothing

789
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: that was done. It was the expectations that I put

790
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: on myself that honestly fucked me up. You know. I

791
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: I had this big, grand idea that I had to

792
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: sort of be something and rise to this occasion of

793
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: my family. And now Kate became famous and it's like,

794
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: oh shit, what the fuck? I mean, who am I?

795
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: How am I going to sort of reach this? And

796
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: they all think this of me and they don't think

797
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm good enough And these are all things that I created.

798
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: Do you do your Do your kids feel pressure? Mike,

799
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: Mike and keV? I mean, do they feel any pressure

800
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: to sort of succeed beyond you know, what their parents

801
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: have achieved. Yeah, my son has has no desire at all.

802
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: And I think it's I really call it a disease

803
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: because it's this drive. You get, whatever you get, what's

804
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: the next thing you're you're You know, if I look

805
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: at my like life objectively, and most people I think

806
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: we agreed. I mean, I have had this amazing life,

807
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: but I still haven't had haven't had things have to

808
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: be that I really want to happen, even though I

809
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: think it's been pretty documented that if those things happen,

810
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't really make you happy. So I'm happy to

811
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: report my son has no desire to be famous whatsoever.

812
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: And I think the same thing, he's not going to

813
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: be and the same thing kind of Moore came from

814
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: Kevin and Maize min generation and I think I traced

815
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: that back to as Kevin pointed out, there's a drive

816
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: to be famous, but I think it's not a it's

817
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: not really a healthy drive, you know. I think it's

818
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: good in some ways, and it can be difficult in

819
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: other ways because you should actually achieve something, to do

820
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: something that makes you happy otherwise why you're doing it. Yeah,

821
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if this will ever happen again, but

822
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: we both have had parents on time on the cover

823
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: of Time magazine. You know. I mean, that's not an

824
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: easy day. Wouldn't that be like that'd be like a

825
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: really a really uh slim podcast if that was the

826
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: basis for your podcast. Entire podcast is us interviewing other

827
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: people that have their parents. On the cover of time,

828
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: we can start a clombling what about your what about

829
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: your what about your kids? Kevin? I mean, how are

830
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: they with because they are in the arts and they

831
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: do have famous parents. How how do they how do

832
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: they deal with that? I think they I think they well,

833
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: first off, I think they have a very good, healthy,

834
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, skepticism about what it actually means and and

835
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: you know whether or not it's you know, how valuable

836
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: it is. I think that both of them, unlike me,

837
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: I care about things at at a at a younger age.

838
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: They care about they care about things outside of their

839
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: own careers at a younger age, you know what I mean,

840
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: they started. They're both people that we're sort of like,

841
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, compassionate about things outside of themselves, which is

842
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: not what I was, you know, because I was so

843
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: driven and so just focus on on me, you know.

844
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: And and I think that they yeah, I mean I

845
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: think that to the extent that that whatever you know,

846
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: art they're doing, they they want to they wanted to

847
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: be consumed by people. I think they definitely you know,

848
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 1: want that. It's not like they they're they want to

849
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: hold up and you know, disappear. And I think they

850
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: also have a very very strong work ethic and really

851
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: strong desire to be self supportive, which they both are

852
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: and have been for a long time. But but sometimes

853
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: I have to say to them, Okay, I know you

854
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: got it. You're taking care of yourself. That's good. You know,

855
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: let me buy you know what I mean. It's like,

856
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: you know, they they're so like not uh into taking

857
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: any kind of help. That's so great. That's such a

858
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: testament to you and Kira. But you know, we we

859
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: we have to chip away to them because I mean

860
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: I feel like they you know, and and they certainly

861
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: don't want help in terms of like uh you know,

862
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: you know what do you call it? Like an inn?

863
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: You know? But you know my daughter loves the end Kevin,

864
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: he loves me. I'll take it in. I'll take any

865
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: judgments I want. I didn't choose where I was born.

866
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: And if if, if you know, if it gives me an,

867
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: I'll take a fucking in. I don't I do, I

868
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: have no, I have no and there is and and listen,

869
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: there's the natural in anyway, so you know you can't

870
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: there's no right right, you know, my daughter for many

871
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: years she I thought she was an actress. I really did.

872
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: I thought she was good. I put her in a

873
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: movie that I was directing. Uh the Michael wrote the

874
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: music for to play Kira as a as a little girl.

875
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: There was a flashback scene where I was playing Kira's

876
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: father and there was a little girl in it. And

877
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: she also had to sing a a David Bowie song.

878
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: And she's a good singer, and I was like, this

879
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: is this is part. She has to do this part.

880
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: So she did the part and then she was likeah,

881
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: you know whatever. She was great. I could tell she

882
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: was good, but she just never really wanted to act,

883
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: and she was more focused on just I don't know,

884
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: other stuff, private school, you know, classes and girl girlfriends

885
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: and parties and I don't know, getting into a Like

886
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: she went to an Ivy League schoo and this is

887
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: straight up through college, Like you know that education thing.

888
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: She was that's what it is. Education. Yeah, yes, exactly.

889
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, in at the beginning

890
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: of I think it was her third year in school,

891
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: she packed up her car and her dog and she

892
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: came back to New York and said, I want to

893
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: be an actress. And kier and I were like what

894
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: we were completely like taken aback. And I said to her,

895
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, honey, you you you always gave me the

896
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: impress I asked you if this is something that you

897
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: would want to want to do, and I said, she said, yeah,

898
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: I was just telling you what I thought you wanted

899
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: to hear. So she got the impression from us that

900
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: this was not a life for her that going into

901
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: whatever however where ever, she got the impression we both

902
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: gave her the impression that she shouldn't be an actor.

903
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: And I think that the I think that the message,

904
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: probably whether we meant to do it or not, was

905
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: that it's just kicks your ass, you know, and you

906
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,080
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907
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,200
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908
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,600
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909
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,759
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910
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,680
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911
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,360
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912
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,719
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913
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,600
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914
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:58,640
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947
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Speaker 1: just just for a second. You said that you spent

948
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: a lot of years alone, but when Michael left, I mean,

949
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: I know you had your sister right then for another year,

950
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: but was your release I mean, were you closer with

951
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: Michael and Michael left, did it feel like you were

952
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,360
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953
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: he was there, but he wasn't as connective, maybe as Michael.

954
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: Was that hard for you? Yeah, it was hard when

955
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: he left. But then he he dropped out of college

956
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: and came back to Philly, and uh moved in pretty

957
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: much around the corner. And so I would I would,

958
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: I would see him and and uh he was playing

959
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: in a duo. Right, the good news was first, right,

960
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: and and and then pretty soon after that, Uh, I

961
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: got to play in the in the band with him.

962
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you so you was always you were

963
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: basically there together a lot. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then

964
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: and then years after that, and then Michael moved to Nashville. Uh.

965
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: Uh married, moved to Nashville, had had a son, and

966
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: then they moved up to New York and he started

967
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: a career in New York as a jingle writer and

968
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: a and a uh composer. And I was living in

969
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: this uh crappy little apartment on West eighty eighth Street,

970
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: and uh there was an apartment right in the same line.

971
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: It was like, I think it was like right up

972
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: were you right upstairs or right downstairs from me? In

973
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: the in the building went for a and we got

974
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: him in the in the in the brownstone. And then

975
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: and so we were in New York together for a while. No,

976
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: that's amazing. So you guys lived, you guys basically just

977
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: lived right right on top of each other. Yeah. Yeah,

978
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: we were sharing going back and forth between Philadelphia. But

979
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: the thing is you have to remember about New York.

980
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: You guys were too young to know this. But in

981
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: the eighties there's a thing called key money. And you

982
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: didn't just rent an apartment. You went to meet with

983
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: a person. They said, I will rent you this apartment

984
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: for ten thousand dollars. And we got this apartment because

985
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess the landlord, like Kevin or

986
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: was sucking up them or whatever. So we actually got

987
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: an apartment for nothing. Well, we have to pay rent.

988
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: So I had two year old son, my wife had

989
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: stopped working. It was the disco era. I was going

990
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: around in a red rabbit with a piasist and playing

991
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: folk songs for high schools and colleges. And I just

992
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: borrowed the money from our father. I said that I

993
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: need fifty five hundred dollars to pay the rent for

994
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: a year and then I'll pay you back. And I

995
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: had no prospects at all. It was the absolutely the

996
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: lowest possible thing. And then Luckily, my wife got a

997
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: job managing a preschool, and then the next lease came

998
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: up for the next year, and I just said, all right,

999
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: I'll take it, why not, And about the next day

1000
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: I got my first job. And then I can trace

1001
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: every job back to that. But I think Kevin and

1002
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: I and probably most of the members of our family

1003
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: have been willing to first job. What was that first gig?

1004
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: It was. The first gig was breaking a soundtrack for

1005
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: the World's Fair in New Orleans in I guess nineteen

1006
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: eighty four. And it was an incredibly difficult job. I mean,

1007
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: I'd love to tell you about it, but it's so byzantine.

1008
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: And somebody had just gotten fired and I just happened

1009
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: to walk in this office and they needed someone that

1010
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: day who could orchestrate and also write songs. It just

1011
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: was a lucky kind of thing. And if that hadn't happened,

1012
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 1: I would have put my tail between my legs, come

1013
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: down back to Pennsylvania, put wood in the furnace. And

1014
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: so I think in our family, and I suspect in

1015
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: your family as well, there's something about the ability to

1016
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: walk a little on the edge, if you believe there's

1017
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: something that you can do become successful. And I go

1018
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: back to our father, and I think he's the kind

1019
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: of person who would just say go for it, don't

1020
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: take you know, don't don't be safe, jump into it.

1021
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: And we've always done that, and you know, we're still

1022
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: going strong forty eight years and I've never lived any

1023
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: different than that. And Kevin, when when this was happening

1024
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: with Michael, where were you at in your life in

1025
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: New York? Well, I moved to New York in I'd

1026
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: been there for quite some time because I moved to

1027
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: I moved to New York in the summer of nineteen

1028
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: seventy six, and I was doing some theater in Philly,

1029
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: and my much as I love my hometown, as we

1030
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: like to say my hometown of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, I knew

1031
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: that I needed to get to New York to really

1032
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: like pursue it. And so I got out of high

1033
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: school and I was I was let into a theater

1034
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: school called Circle in the Square for their summer program,

1035
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: and then I auditioned to stay that year that and

1036
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: I turned eighteen that summer, and I was working in

1037
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: various restaurants and bars and trying to audition, and you know,

1038
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: do the normal thing, knock on the doors and do

1039
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: by backstage and look for open calls. You know, I

1040
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: had a real classic like New York, you know actor thing,

1041
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: and that's I was probably still in that, in that

1042
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: mode when Mike showed up. Or maybe I wasn't a

1043
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: waiter anymore. I might have. I'm not sure. I think

1044
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: you were past Animal House. I sort of think this

1045
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: was kind of a diner era whenever. That was Well,

1046
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: that's right, Animal House was your first movie. Okay, yeah,

1047
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: so so I was. I wasn't. Yeah, so it was past.

1048
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: It was past. I was past my waiting table days. Yeah. No,

1049
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: when Animal House came out, Uh, I was still a waiter.

1050
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean I had to last for the night off

1051
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: to go to the premiere, and I was for for

1052
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: quite something after that. Yeah. Animal House was was crazy

1053
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: because I had come. I was in acting school and

1054
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, the casting director came to the acting school

1055
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: and the acting school sent me to meet, uh, the

1056
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: casting director, and so that was my first gig. That's

1057
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: a pretty awesome first gig to say, that's my that

1058
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: was my first gig. Michael when he was acting, like,

1059
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: was there any moment like did you all, did you

1060
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: have a feeling about Kevin as an actor or did

1061
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: you were you like, I don't know what you're thinking. No,

1062
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: I definitely we all did. He was first so extremely extroverted. Okay,

1063
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: when my father would have an office party, it was

1064
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: so dreary. There'd be a hundred people from his office

1065
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: and they'd all come to our house and get drunk,

1066
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: and myself and my sisters we'd all hide upstairs so

1067
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: the ladies wouldn't pinch our cheeks and stuff, and we

1068
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: listened downstairs, and Kevin would invent these games, like, for instance,

1069
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: I remember one time at a party, he went around

1070
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: the room said, everybody's got to make up the funniest

1071
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: name they can think of, So literally all these adults

1072
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: have to shut up, and he's going around the room,

1073
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, uh, harvesting these funny names and then deciding

1074
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: whose was the funniest. And this was really young, this

1075
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: is by five years old, so yeah, we knew, we

1076
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: knew something was up, definitely, So I was never really

1077
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: that surprised when he moved to New York and things

1078
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: happened very quickly for him, because I knew, you know,

1079
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: first of all, you had the right personality, he had

1080
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: the right drive, he had the talent. And people have

1081
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: told me from that era, I'm not an actor. I've

1082
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: never acted, i know nothing about the business. But people

1083
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: have told me that one of my friends is a

1084
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: director and they would have two hundred people come in

1085
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: and read for some role, some little role in the film,

1086
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: and he could remember Kevin coming in and just killing

1087
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: it and just shining from these two hundred people. And

1088
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: after all, that's kind of the way the arts, the

1089
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: popular industry works. You. It's very competitive, and some people

1090
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: just jump out, what was the first movie Kevin that

1091
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: you were like, all right, I'm gonna be okay, I'm

1092
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: gonna I think I'm going to have a career as

1093
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: an actor still try to figure out well, well, you know,

1094
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's still how funny? Is that? Almost? Is

1095
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: what I was going to say to you, ask you, Kevin,

1096
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: is you know, are you conscious of trying to keep

1097
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: your career afloat or are you just is this just

1098
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: you've had like so many iterations in your career and

1099
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: is this just pure luck? Or are you is there

1100
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: anything calculated here? Nothing is calculated. But I also don't

1101
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: think it's pure luck. I think it's I think it's

1102
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, work. I mean, I think

1103
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's corny, but the ten thousand hours,

1104
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: you know. I also think that you can get you know,

1105
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: you just can get better, you know, if you just

1106
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: work at something long enough, you know. But I don't

1107
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: really I mean, I'm I'm kind of joking cap in

1108
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. I always feel like there's I

1109
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: just don't look back that much and go, well, oh,

1110
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: that was a heck of a career, you know what

1111
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm really looking down the road. I don't

1112
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't have a real rear view mirror. And and

1113
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm, I'm. I have a lot of

1114
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: gratitude for the fact that I've been able to make

1115
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: a living and doing something that I still really love

1116
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: to do. I think that that's the That's the thing

1117
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: about it is that I get very excited when uh

1118
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,520
Speaker 1: between action and cut, like I love it. I I

1119
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: if it's good and I'm and I'm and the character

1120
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: is is I'm feeling myself in that man's skin and

1121
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: and uh, and the material is is strong and I

1122
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: and I do a take that I think, yeah, I

1123
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: love that time. I really do. I still do. So

1124
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: it's not it hasn't gotten old for me. Yeah, I mean, people,

1125
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: it's funny when you get asked these questions and and

1126
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: and and so many times you're in these interviews and

1127
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: they ask you the silliest questions. You know, what's your

1128
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: favorite movie you've ever done? You know, or what's the

1129
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: what's the best? Like what you know? And to me,

1130
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't even rate the movies about my favorite.

1131
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,560
Speaker 1: I just can rate the experience. They also become bookmarks

1132
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: for me. They become bookmarks for times. And you know,

1133
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm a lot older than you, so so it's it's different.

1134
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: But I mean they become these bookmarks for for things

1135
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: that were going on in your life, you know what

1136
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, like the first thing that pops

1137
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: into my head when I think of Tremors is not

1138
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: underground worms or the or the or or the thing.

1139
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: It's it's that Kira was pregnant with with Travis and

1140
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: we were up in Lone Pine and just seeing this,

1141
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, beautiful big belly come to the to the

1142
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: set out in the middle of the desert. That's what

1143
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: I think about. I don't think so much, and I

1144
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: don't think that much about the movie they you know,

1145
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: they or you know, I recently got on a zoom

1146
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: with the diner guys, everybody, everybody but Mickey of course

1147
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: didn't cool, but the rest of the old knuckleheads were

1148
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: there and and you know, we we didn't talk about

1149
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: the movie, but the experience was so still so rich

1150
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: for us, you know, because you know, we were all

1151
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: at a certain like kind of interesting point in our lives.

1152
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: And and you know, it wasn't really about remembering the

1153
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 1: the or analyzing the film itself. It's more just about

1154
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: the experience. I just did that recently with the twenty

1155
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: year of Almost Famous. We got on a on a

1156
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: rolling step for Rolling Stone to the zoom. Yeah yeah,

1157
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: and we all got off that and Billy Crudep and

1158
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 1: I just texting, going, fuck, that was really special, you know.

1159
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: And and yes, the bookmarks, you know for sure, Ollie,

1160
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: what were you going to say? Oh? I was. I

1161
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: don't want to get into the weeds of of how

1162
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: you like prepare, but I just everyone does it so differently.

1163
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: You know, when you hear the guys who write many

1164
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 1: many many you know, notes in their script or there

1165
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: are other ones who just sort of feel it and go.

1166
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean, has has your sort of process evolved, you know,

1167
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: as you from when you started to now or have

1168
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: you pretty much prepared the same way? Uh? No, I

1169
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: think it's evolved. I think that certain things that Cure

1170
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: has told me, uh you know, I've kind of taken

1171
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: on because I'm like, oh, she does that ship I

1172
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 1: should start doing that. But yeah, no, it has. It

1173
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: has certainly evolved, and I hope that it will evolve again,

1174
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: you know. I think that it's the same thing with

1175
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: with songwriting. I think you know you you you have

1176
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 1: one way always of doing it, and then all of

1177
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: a sudden you think, well, maybe what I'll do is

1178
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: approach this in a different way, or even to the

1179
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 1: extent that like I don't know if this ever happens

1180
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: to you, Mike, but you you're working on a song

1181
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: and then you pick up a different even if it's

1182
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: a guitar, like if two different guitars and the second guitar, well,

1183
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: sometimes do things I don't know to the song that

1184
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: you didn't really expect to happen. I don't know why

1185
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: that would be. And it's kind of the same thing

1186
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: with acting. With me. It's like, you know, I'll try

1187
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: to do a whole bunch of different stuff, not really

1188
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: knowing if it's actually going to affect the performance or not.

1189
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: You know, but it's like, why not just you know,

1190
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: give it a shot, you know, put a would you say,

1191
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: are you pretty fearless? You know? Or do you or

1192
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 1: do you get scared? No? I I get scared. I

1193
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: mean I still I still get butterflies when we play

1194
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: live with the band, which is one of the things

1195
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: that I really like about playing live is that butterflies

1196
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: had sort of I started out doing a lot of theater,

1197
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 1: and I think between the band and movies and TV,

1198
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: I was having I've had a hard I've had a

1199
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: hard time fitting theater in. I did a show in Hartford,

1200
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: Connecticut about like two years ago or so. But you know,

1201
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: that feeling of you're about to walk on stage, and

1202
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's the same thing that we have in

1203
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 1: the band, because you know, shit can happen right you,

1204
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: things can go wrong. There's a lot of shit that

1205
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: that can go wrong when you're playing live, and it's

1206
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: the same thing doing theater. I don't get scared on

1207
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 1: a set, really, I don't think so I I mean

1208
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: maybe the first yeah, the first day, I think, because

1209
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know everybody, but but but I feel, I

1210
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: feel it's kind of like walking into my living room.

1211
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: You know. I know the process so much. It's funny

1212
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: you're saying that I don't get nervous on set ever

1213
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: except once, and it was my first scene with Daniel

1214
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: day Lewis. He's the guy that made me feel like,

1215
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, totally insecure about my process. But Allie, that's

1216
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: a great question because I remember working with Naomi Watts

1217
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: and she had her script and I've never seen anything

1218
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: like it. Talk about a feeling of inadequacy. I mean,

1219
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: she walked on, she just griddled with notes. Oh it

1220
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: was like I looked at it and I was like,

1221
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: cause I think it was you know, what's the second line?

1222
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: You know? For me, I'm you know, I was kind

1223
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: of just going for it and we're living in Paris.

1224
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not preparing, you know, I'm I'm

1225
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: sort of like easy part. I'm like I got this,

1226
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, And I show up to set and Naomi

1227
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: is just never seen anybody more prepared so thorough that

1228
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: I that I I kind of like what you're saying

1229
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: about here. Probably I kind of went, hmmm, like what

1230
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 1: does this say about my process? And maybe I should

1231
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: incorporate a little bit more of this into end in

1232
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: my life. Oh god, I just write. I just write

1233
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: shit in the in the margins, not even pertaining to anything,

1234
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: just so it seems like I've really done my work.

1235
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: You know, Listen, don't you think though that it really mean?

1236
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: Getting intimidated? Intimidated by somebody else's process is like, I

1237
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: don't even I try not to even listen to those

1238
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: things that you read or you hear interviews and people

1239
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: talk about it, because it always kind of it always

1240
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: kind of makes me feel somehow inadequate in what it

1241
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: is that I did. And you know, everyone's got a

1242
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:07,440
Speaker 1: different wave of getting there. And you know, the the

1243
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: Naomi's script, you know, it's not it's not in the movie,

1244
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's cool that it's

1245
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: cool that it's there and it's and and it's great

1246
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: that she's doing it, but that's not going to be

1247
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: on the screen as far as I know. Yeah, yeah, no,

1248
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: you're exactly, And every process is so different, you know,

1249
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 1: And what what did you tell Daniel Day Lewis that

1250
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: you were also a shoemaker cobbler. So I have to

1251
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 1: ask this because clearly, like I mean, I know, there's

1252
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: certain things that just bother everyone at times. But the

1253
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: six Degrees of Kevin Bacon was so such a huge

1254
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: it became like this iconic thing. Did that drive you nuts?

1255
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: Or did you kind of embrace it? It was so

1256
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: fid because it's like, uh the froze dressed on six

1257
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: degrees and I was like, I was like, oh, thank you,

1258
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: thank you. So uh yeah, no, I've embraced it one

1259
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: hundred percent. I have a charity called six degrees dot

1260
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: org that that was the thing that kind of turned

1261
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: the turn the turn the corner forward on me. You know,

1262
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: I if it's not going to go away, you know,

1263
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: what are you going to do? You know? At first,

1264
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, I don't really get this,

1265
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 1: and are they making fun of me? It's crazy? It's

1266
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: crazy now, I don't like, where did that even come from?

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01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: Do we know? It came from college kids? They were

1268
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: just they just kind of came up with it. Some

1269
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: college kids in the nineties. They were sitting around and

1270
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: they and they just made it up and it was

1271
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: just kind of spread. Mm hmm, Well so you made

1272
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: it into amazing how and how is that? What? What?

1273
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: What is it that it that that you're working on

1274
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: now with the foundation? Well, we are close to uh

1275
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: I can't quite announce it, but we have something kind

1276
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: of great, big coming up, which is going to be

1277
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 1: a fundraising opportunity. We you know, we're always always involved

1278
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: with a bunch of different causes, a bunch of different

1279
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: ideas and concepts in connecting celebrities to UH to charitable work.

1280
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: A lot of times we focus on more grassroots kinds

1281
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: of causes that don't get a lot of uh, you know,

1282
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: big donors, just because I feel and certainly out being

1283
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: out traveling with the Bacon Brothers, you know, we go

1284
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: across the country and six degrees will will turn us

1285
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: on to someone who's doing something great in some town

1286
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: that that you would never even know about. It's not

1287
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: a big you know, you know, save the Redwoods or whatever.

1288
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: It's just a just a you know, a small you know,

1289
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: soup pantry that somebody started, and so we'll stop by

1290
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: and say hi, and you know, take some pictures and

1291
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: truck give them some kind of exposure or some kind

1292
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: of help in some in some way. That's so great

1293
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: just working together as men, your brothers. You're older, but

1294
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: you were working together. I know you're having fun as

1295
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: your relationship as strong as it's ever been. And are

1296
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: there cracks ever when you are, you know, essentially being

1297
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: creative together and also in a business together. Well, I

1298
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: think overall there's there's a lot of legend of the

1299
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:40,799
Speaker 1: battling band brothers and you know, from the Beach Boys

1300
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: and the Everly Brothers and Oasis and the Crows. I

1301
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: don't really think that characterizes Yeah, I mean, there's a

1302
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, and I don't really see why that

1303
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: would be. Maybe because I'm so much older, and then

1304
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 1: we didn't grow up. You know, you're a part, you know,

1305
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: beating the crap out of each other, and and mommy

1306
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: hit me quch from my sisters was different the I

1307
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: think I've I've maintained a certain amount of guilt about

1308
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: punching women in the stomach. Apparently not allowed to punch

1309
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: girls in the stomach. Oliver. Oliver suffers from the same guild.

1310
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't know why I do. Anyway, I never knew

1311
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: their reason, but I still feel like, oh God, so

1312
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, we uh, we've been doing this for twenty

1313
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: five years. And if if I were the dominant, you know,

1314
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the musician life. If I were the

1315
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: one that was just singing all the songs and playing

1316
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: all the guitars and Kevin was, you know, playing konga

1317
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: in the background, it really wouldn't work. But there's a

1318
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: really kind of an equal balance. And I think that

1319
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 1: when you come to hear our band, you see two

1320
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: guys who are very, very different, and to me, that's

1321
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: a good thing. There's a lot of kind of of

1322
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 1: building creative tension from that. And yeah, we have things.

1323
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: We have things occasionally, but we work it out and

1324
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: it's a business and it's really, I think, very rewarding

1325
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: to go into business with a relative, particularly a brother

1326
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: or sister, because there's a trust there that doesn't exist

1327
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: in other situations. So I think we've cut through a

1328
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff and we both feel really strong

1329
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: about two things. It's all about the songwriting we do,

1330
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: and the songwriting is still going and getting better, and

1331
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: so the other thing is it's putting on a performance

1332
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 1: that we really feel proud, that we feel legitimately entertaining

1333
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: people that are spending a lot of money to come

1334
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: hear us, so we plow back a lot of a

1335
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: lot of investment back into the band by traveling with

1336
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: a band of six people. A lot of people are

1337
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 1: going out now with a drummer and a keyboard guy.

1338
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: We have a B three. You know, we have a

1339
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 1: pretty big crew. So I think if you come to

1340
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: hear our shows, it makes us feel really good that

1341
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: whether you like the kind of music we do or not,

1342
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear a band that really is putting out

1343
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: there and is competitive, professional with any other band touring,

1344
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: and that you had a really good time, and you'll

1345
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: tell your friends, and our little small but mighty following

1346
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: grows a little bit each year. I really like this

1347
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 1: record too. There's the one song, British Invasion that is great,

1348
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: and I like the Corona tune. Yeah, that's great, it's cool.

1349
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: I think you were saying that, Kevin, you don't like

1350
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: this whole quarantine thing is pretty hard because you're a

1351
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 1: bit of a mover and a shaker and staying still

1352
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily your strong suit. No, it definitely isn't. And

1353
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: Corona Tune was well. First off, British Invasion I'll talk

1354
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: about first. I wrote British Invasion based on a story

1355
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: that Michael just dropped to me about being a kid

1356
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: and going to see a British Invasion show in Philly

1357
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: and you know, meeting this girl. And I never heard

1358
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: about the girl. I'd never heard about the story. So

1359
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: it was one of those songs where there were so

1360
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: many right from right from another person's point of view.

1361
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: In this case, it was it was from my brother's

1362
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: point of view, So it was me sort of imagining

1363
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: what it would be like to be a teenager in

1364
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: the sixties during the British Invasion. And uh and and

1365
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: and it was fine. We cut it in Philly and

1366
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: uh it's you know, yeah, thank you and Corona tune.

1367
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: You know. I was in La with Kira with the

1368
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: second Michael and I were in the studio cutting some

1369
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: of what's on that record, and I was shooting my

1370
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: TV show UH in New York, and I got the

1371
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: call that we were shut down, and I got the

1372
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 1: sense that this was not going to be a short shutdown,

1373
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: although I'd never thought it would be this long. Uh.

1374
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: So I got on a plane and went to California,

1375
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: where here and the kids were and yeah, I wrote

1376
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: that song during the lockdown and cut it out in

1377
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: La Michael put the cello on it and shipped shipped

1378
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: the cello out through the interwebs and and and then

1379
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 1: when we got back to Uh Sharon, we shot a

1380
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: video for it. Yeah, and it was really it was

1381
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 1: really thinking talking about my parents. It was really a

1382
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: song about like, uh basic, the basic The gist of

1383
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: the song is, I'm glad they can't see this, you know,

1384
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: because a lot of people, when when things happened good, right,

1385
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, people will win awards and stuff like that,

1386
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: they we say, and I know that my dad is

1387
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: right now looking down on me, and you know he's

1388
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: proud and all that kind of stuff. But when things

1389
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: are going really shitty, nobody says, I know my dad is.

1390
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: They're so lucky they're not that song that's funny. Are

1391
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: you guys going to try to do I know, my

1392
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 1: my ex right now is doing an outside gig. Are

1393
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: you guys kind of thinking about that at all? Or well,

1394
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm about to start shooting. And so it's a little bit.

1395
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: It's a little difficult because we have all these like

1396
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: super you know, strict rules about doing anything else. You know,

1397
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: we are going to do a thing next week where

1398
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: but we'll be in this just in a studio. But

1399
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: so far we don't have any drive in or outside

1400
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: stuff scheduled. Get are you excited to go back to work?

1401
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: Are you nervous? Well, I'm excited, but I am a

1402
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 1: little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I mean, you know,

1403
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: he is back of work in La and she so, she,

1404
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, has been reporting to me about what it's like,

1405
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's so interesting the things she's like, you know, like,

1406
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: for instance, she said that in her case, they're all

1407
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: masked up for rehearsal, and so it's not until you

1408
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: actually shoot that you see what anybody else has been doing, like,

1409
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 1: you know what what the actors have been doing. So

1410
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: it's like you rehearse the whole thing like which is

1411
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: which is such a bizarre thing to think about because

1412
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: we react off of each other's faces. Clearly, I thought

1413
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 1: to myself, this is going to be the type of

1414
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: thing where everyone takes their mask off and people go whoa, whoa,

1415
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: dial it down? All right, Well, let's do our speed round.

1416
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: So one one word to describe the other? Serious, are

1417
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 1: we starting ready? Yeah, this is going way too fast

1418
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: rank when we're to describe the other talented. My brother

1419
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: is so freaking talent. It's discuss Really, I'm not sucking

1420
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: up the Really. He could have been an architect, he

1421
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,879
Speaker 1: could have been a he is a musician. He's obviously

1422
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: an actor, could have been an artist. So you know,

1423
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: the man has a lot of talent. Yeah, that's how

1424
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: Kate feels about me. It's true. Shot, admit it, but

1425
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:24,839
Speaker 1: it's true. Okay. One word to describe your relationship musical trusting.

1426
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: I would say album listened. Yeah, that's what I was

1427
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 1: going to say, go ahead, album listened to unrepeat as

1428
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 1: a kid? Uh, Earth Wind and Fire, The Way of

1429
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: the World. Oh, I think Rubber Soul probably, these are

1430
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: great albums. That's my favorite Beatles record. Are you guys

1431
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: play this too? Yeah? I just Rubber Soul for some reason.

1432
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: It's like it's I have so much nostalgia around that.

1433
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 1: That's not to make this about me, but I'm going

1434
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: to That's when Kurt came into my life for our life,

1435
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 1: and he drove this nineteen seventies old blazer and he

1436
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: had an a track and he played he had Rubber

1437
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Soul and that's what was in that eight track every

1438
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: time we got in the only track he had. Yeah,

1439
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: and I'm a big fisherman, you know, fly fishing, ocean fishing.

1440
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: I love to fish, and I learned how to fly

1441
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: fish when I was around six or seven years old,

1442
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: and Kurt was the one who would take me to

1443
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: these various sort of you know places in the river,

1444
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: and we'd always be listening to that record and it

1445
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: is extremely nostalgic for me, in my favorite Beatles record.

1446
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: So if I didn't think Kurt was cool before a

1447
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies blazer was an eight track playing rubbers. Yes, yeah, yeah,

1448
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: who broke more rules as a kid, I don't know.

1449
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 1: I think you probably it probably probably did as a

1450
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: kid because you were more in the drug era than

1451
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: I was, exactly, That's true. There were some rules that

1452
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 1: were available to break at the time. Yeah, I mean

1453
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: you had High Times at that point. We didn't have

1454
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: High Times, you guys. High Times, by the way, of course,

1455
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: you kids, of course the magazine. Okay, you have an

1456
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: award from I do I do? I have a bong?

1457
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: I have a bong award from from from High Times.

1458
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Wow, okay, okay. If you could put

1459
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: your brother in a band from the past, what band

1460
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: would that be. I think I would put my brother

1461
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 1: in the Beach Boys, because he just it's so in

1462
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: love ye harmony. He just loves harmony and he loves

1463
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 1: and he loves, uh, you know, the the complexity of

1464
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, Brian's changes, and it's it's like it's that's

1465
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 1: like right in his pocket. Mm hmm. So with Kevin,

1466
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: I put him in the band as Levon helm Ken.

1467
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 1: That's a podcast, Yes, I got that, so that I

1468
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: would love to do that. What about what about a song?

1469
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: What about? What about a song to best describe one another?

1470
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 1: That's my way? Good? Oh gosh, let's see you better

1471
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: move on. How's that? Okay? You guys have that song?

1472
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: Too young for all the No, I don't know that,

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Speaker 1: so check that out. Check that out. You better move

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01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: on to Arthur Alexander song, right, okay? And it was

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01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 1: covered by Yeah, and it was covered by the Stones too,

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01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: which was I think it was the first our Our

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01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: father brought us a record of a forty five from

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01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: England in the sixties, and I think that was on

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01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: one of the that was like this new band that

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01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: the cool kids in the line were listening to. So

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Speaker 1: he brought it back to us as year our grandpa.

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01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 1: When my mom was little, she wanted he caught her

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01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 1: listening to rock and roll song and he he was

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01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 1: a He was a fiddle player, classical fiddle player, and

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01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 1: there was no rock and roll in the house. And

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01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: then it was dinner and she came to the table

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01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:28,759
Speaker 1: and her plate was turned upside down and she lifted

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01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: her plate up, and it was his way of saying, Okay,

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01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: you can listen to this song. And it was a

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01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 1: forty five of get a job. That was mom's first

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01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: That great, amazing? What about? What about? What about your

1492
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 1: first concert? My first concert was probably a Good News concert,

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01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: which was a band that Mike was in. I have

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01:32:58,320 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: to go all her back to Pete Seegert. He was

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01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: my first idol. I don't know if you guys remember him.

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01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: He died recently, but he's a wonderful songwriter and played

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01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: the banjo, and I was obsessed with the banjo. And

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01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: I wrote him a letter and I said, I played

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01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: the cello, but I want to let that to play

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01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 1: the banjo. And he sent me his banjo book and

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01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: a postcard, which I have right up there. Cool, So

1502
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 1: you know that that kind of I think that really

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01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: got me on the road, you know, in a funny way.

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01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: I didn't notice the time, but I look back on

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01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: that and that was that was really formative. I went

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01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: to see him actually in New York. I got a

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01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: chance to see him live years ago. Yeah, it was great. Wow,

1508
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: we got the Jayhawks, we got Pete Seeger. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: One last one real quick. Okay, it's a two part

1510
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: We asked this to everyone, right, So two part question.

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01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: If you could take something from your sibling as your

1512
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: own equality, something that you admire about them, and have

1513
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: it for yourself, what would that be? And then, on

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01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, if you could alleviate something

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01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 1: thing from your sibling to sort of distress their life

1516
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: in one way or another, what would that be? Hmm, Well,

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01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: let's see. In the taking, I have to say I

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01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 1: would love to be able to play like him. He

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01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: can play. He's a great guitar player, he's a great

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01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: chella player. But you can pretty much play anything, you know,

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01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: Ganna take it off the wall, play it, you know,

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01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: that's I'll never you know, I could I could practice

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01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, and I would never

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01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 1: be able to have that. If I could alleviate one thing, um,

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01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd have to think about that one,

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01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: all right, Mike's perfect. I love it. Hey, I will

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01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 1: take your nineteen seventy Bronco sixty nine. Oh my god,

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01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 1: that's my dream I had. I had a seventy three.

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01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: I had a seventy three Bronco. I want to Bronco,

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01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: and I would give you the gift of the pedal tone,

1531
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: which you don't quite understand. You. I love that you

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01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: got bro that I have to. I'm a college professor,

1533
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:30,679
Speaker 1: so sometimes I go to these places. Well, you guys,

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01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. This has been really so much.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. You guys are great. Stay safe there,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right, hey guys, say you guys to

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Speaker 1: Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: Producer is Alison Presnik. Music by Mark Hudson a k

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Speaker 1: A Uncle Mark, Dear you