1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the battle Ground Podcast. This 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: is a podcast all about professional wrestling. Joined Battle and 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Eli as a breakdown what's going on in the world 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: of professional wrestling with special guests including some of your 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: favorite wrestling superstars. You never know who's gonna stop by 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: now making their way to the microphone. Give it up 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: for the greatest podcast team in the. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: World, Battle and Eli. 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: You know, I gotta say watching one of our favorite shows, 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 3: Dark Side of the Ring, there is an episode that 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: has stood out to me over the past couple of weeks, 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: and that has got to be with the original gangster Nwjack. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: And it just so happens that new Jack is on 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 3: the show with us today. 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: New Jack, how you. 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 4: Doing, man, I'm good man. What's up? Hey? 17 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: We really do appreciate you coming on the show. And 18 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: you know, what's kind of been the reaction been online 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: since your episode of Dark Side of the Ring is aired. 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 4: A lot of people liked it, you know, and a 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 4: lot of them said that they didn't believe that I 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 4: said some of the shit I said, you know what 23 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 4: I mean, But I didn't give a fuck. I was 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: just like, it's dark Side. So they won on the 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 4: truth about what's going on. I'm gonna give them the truth. 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah. 27 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 6: The thing I liked about your episode in particular is 28 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 6: that they didn't really try to like sensationalize it, you know, 29 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 6: like it was very kind of like these are the facts, 30 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 6: this is what happened. And it kind of reminded me 31 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 6: of like twenty twenty and you know what I mean, 32 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 6: Like it wasn't like a TMZ like ooh, this is 33 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 6: you know what I mean? So, like I really appreciated 34 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 6: all the information that they provided that I wasn't aware of. Right, Well, 35 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 6: how were you approached to be on the show? And 36 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 6: then you know, once all that came to be, how 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 6: long was the production? Like how long did it take 38 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 6: to film your episode? 39 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 4: They got my number from my agent and they called 40 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: me and the guy told me, he explained what was 41 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: going on. He was like, so, Jack, do you mind 42 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 4: being on the show? And I was like yeah, and 43 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 4: he said we can send a car to pick you 44 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: up and bring you the once saying all right, yeah, 45 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: So I gave him three years and I love. 46 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: The phone. 47 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 4: And that was it and it took about it took 48 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: us about two hour defilm. 49 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 5: It really Yeah, that seems that seems quick. 50 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well when you're when you're New Jack, I mean, 51 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: there's so much to cover, and you would think that 52 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: it would it would be a lot longer to film 53 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: than two hours, because you know, I've followed your career, 54 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: you know, and I got introduced to you at a 55 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: young age watching E c W. And you know, I 56 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: remember seeing you at the Fairgrounds wrestling when you came 57 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: into TNA and I and I was telling this to 58 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: Eli when we had you, when I was like, we're 59 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: getting New Jack on the show. I remember being a 60 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: kid or early teenager in the in the crowd the 61 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: night that you debuted at TNA, and I remember I 62 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: gave you my chair and you hit the dude over 63 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: the head with the chair, and I thought the coolest 64 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: thing in the world, the fact that New Jack a 65 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: weapon to hit a guy with a chair, And I 66 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: mean it was it was just a surreal moment for me. 67 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: If you could kind of pick the subject for a 68 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: future Dark sather Ring episode, who would you pick? And why, 69 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: I mean, your career has gone all over the place. 70 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 3: Is there's somebody that you would go and be like, 71 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 3: this would be an episode that I would want to choose. 72 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 4: Probably the sad Man. Oh yeah, you know, I mean 73 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 4: we got a history, right, you know, and Sam Man 74 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: is really interesting, so I would say him. 75 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure there's a I'm sure any of the 76 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 6: classic ECW guys can do, you know what I mean, 77 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 6: I'm sure there's stuff on every one of them that 78 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 6: they could fill up an episode, you know. Yeah, so 79 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 6: yeah Sandman, Yeah, we we we liked seeing the stuff 80 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 6: he had. 81 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 5: On your episode and yeah, that would be crazy. 82 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 83 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 6: So a lot of this episode, you know, almost a 84 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 6: lot of it was covered from the book that you 85 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 6: just released, New Jack Memoir of a Professor or a 86 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 6: Pro Wrestling Extremists that was released on February fifth of 87 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 6: this year. 88 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 5: So congrats on that, Thank you. 89 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: Man. 90 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 6: How did that project come come to be? Was it 91 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 6: something you'd always had in the back of your mind 92 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 6: or did someone just you know call you out of 93 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 6: the blue, or like, how did that process start? 94 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 4: Well, again, the guy contacted my agent and he put 95 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 4: us together and he was like, knew, Jack, I'm interested 96 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 4: in doing a book if you interested in doing it. 97 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 4: And I had always wanted to do one, but I 98 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 4: could never get connected with the right people, you know, 99 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 4: so founding this guy. I looked him up and he 100 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: seemed like he was halfway in legit, So I was like, okay, 101 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 4: let's do it. So for the next two years he 102 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 4: spent time me on the road and coming to my 103 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: house and we would go and hang out and we 104 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 4: were just putting down all the information for the book. 105 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 6: So was it was it a lot of just like 106 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 6: you guys hanging out in you telling stories kind of 107 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 6: a deal or was there a lot? 108 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was. 109 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 5: Kind of the gist of it. Yeah, gotcha. 110 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 6: And you said it took you about two years. Was 111 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 6: was that like how long the whole thing was to 112 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 6: complete or was that just your part of the book 113 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 6: that was my part? Gotcha out of the book itself? 114 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 6: Was there anything? I'm sure some of the stuff we 115 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 6: saw on Dark souther Ring it was part of that. 116 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 6: But what would you say was the hardest thing to 117 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 6: you know, write slash talk about in the book? 118 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 4: I mean, it didn't matter to me. I mean, you know, 119 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: I'm sure I heard a few people's feelings, but I 120 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 4: don't give a fuck, you know what I mean? It 121 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: was just I said what I said and I'm not 122 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 4: taking it back. And if I heard just if you 123 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 4: if you got girl feelings, then fuck you. 124 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean, your story to tell, right, Yeah, And. 125 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 3: If they want, if they want to do a story, 126 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: they could ate their own book and tell them how 127 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: it feels right exactly, you know, something something like kind 128 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: of you know, talking about the book from like the 129 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: first word to the final period. 130 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: You know, we talked about the book. 131 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: What I guess is like, what was the hardest thing 132 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: to write about in your book? 133 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: I just asked him that, oh, okay, their mine. Then 134 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: disregard that one. I'll edit that one up. 135 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: This is what happens when we're in two different places 136 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: and we're just kind of following along, you know, with 137 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: all the twisting turns in your career. We're certain that 138 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 3: you didn't get to talk about everything in Dark Side 139 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 3: of the Ring and in the book. Is there any 140 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: plans for a second book sometime in the future, Is there, 141 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 3: you know, like maybe a part two of your own 142 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: documentary from Dark Side of the Ring? 143 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, I would do another book, 144 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 4: if you know what I mean, if it was right, 145 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 4: I would do another one because this one's so real 146 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 4: good and it's still selling, right, you know, what I mean, 147 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 4: So I would do another one if the opportunity came up, 148 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 4: I would do it. 149 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 6: Okay, Well, that's I have the book. I have to 150 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 6: be honest, I haven't started reading it. I bought it 151 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 6: for when I travel for work, and now that no 152 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 6: one's traveling, I haven't haven't got to read it yet, 153 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 6: So I apologize. I wanted to have it read by 154 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 6: the time we talked. 155 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 4: But that's right. 156 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 5: Anyways, A couple of weeks ago we interviewed Raven. He 157 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 5: was on the show. 158 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 6: We had to get talk with him, and just like you, 159 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 6: you know, you guys started on the NDS into w 160 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 6: c W, you kind of had, you know, kind of 161 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 6: a similar path. He talked a little bit about his 162 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 6: time in the US w A and Memphis. I'm a 163 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 6: West Tennessee kid, That's what I grew up watching Saturday mornings. 164 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 6: What was your experience like starting out in that territory? 165 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 6: And unrelated? I mean, you may want to open the worms. 166 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 6: If not, we respect that. 167 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 5: But why did the why did the King block you 168 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 5: on Twitter? Is there more I could? 169 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: I could probably tell you why, but. 170 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: That one I was fucking with him, man, I was 171 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: fucking with in real Bay. I taught him a racist 172 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: and I did a shoot DVD and I and I 173 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 4: brought it up on there, you know what I mean. 174 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 4: So I went after him and I was like, you 175 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: fucking pedophile, you fucking rapist, you know what I mean. 176 00:07:55,200 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: So Twitter blocked me, Burt. Yeah, then it came back 177 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: and he blocked me because I talked about him. I 178 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: talked about Brian Christopher and I was like, I don't 179 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 4: give a fuck. I never liked Jerry Lawler. I never 180 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: liked him, you know what I mean. So for him 181 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 4: to block me, that just showed a form of guilt, 182 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And I was just like, 183 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 4: you know, be a man, motherfuckers, stand up to it 184 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 4: and own it, you know what I'm saying. 185 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 6: Well, that's that's pretty interesting because for those people that 186 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 6: don't know, like obviously you experienced it, and you know, 187 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 6: with me being from that area, I mean, Jerry the 188 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 6: King Lawler is like the mayor of Memphis, I mean, 189 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 6: like even now, you know, so you don't hear a 190 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 6: lot of people say those words like I've never liked 191 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 6: him and all that kind of stuff. So it's it's 192 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 6: very surprising to hear that, you know, but. 193 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 5: But you were you were there with him, so you 194 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 5: know better than anyone. 195 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 4: So yeah. 196 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: So and it's you know, when I saw that go 197 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: down because I follow a new Jack on Twitter, which 198 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: everybody should follow him, I saw everything going on, and 199 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: then like everybody started going at Lawlor and like adding 200 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: him and tagging him, and the next thing you know, 201 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: New Jack sends out a tweet saying like he has 202 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: no followers and there's nobody tweeting him, and you know, 203 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: and then you know, Twitter comes in and gets you. 204 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 4: But they came in. They came in and they deleted 205 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 4: all my followers. They deleted every follow it I won't 206 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 4: go up. And I was like I went on Twitter 207 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 4: and it said followers zero and following zero and all 208 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 4: like they took all my goddamn ship down, So all 209 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: like what the fuck? So I just live it alone. 210 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: So I was like, fuck, I don't give a fuck. 211 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: Yes right again. 212 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: And that's the thing is you you look at this 213 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: right now and you. 214 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: See everything going on in wrestling, and it's like, I 215 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: can't tell you how many times I just scroll through 216 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 3: Twitter and there's something about new Jack and New Jack's 217 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: not even wrestling, and he's all over social media, which 218 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 3: makes new Jack the most overperson right now in the wrestling. 219 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 5: Industry, still going, still doing. 220 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 4: So. 221 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: You know, one thing that kind of caught my eye 222 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: was when you were at ECW and you know, the 223 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 3: just the matches were just as like just insane. And 224 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: ECW continues to inspire and be rediscovered by fans for 225 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: those who are not a part of the Mayhem in 226 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: the nineties or well have recently discovered it on the network, 227 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: how would you describe e c W to a new fan? 228 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: And why do you think we're still talking about it 229 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: all these years later? 230 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 4: I mean ECW was like it wasn't it wasn't second 231 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 4: to nobody. I mean Vince and Eric Bischall they would 232 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 4: go and watch TV and they would they would watch 233 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 4: us on TV, and because their TV was stronger than ours, 234 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 4: then they were still ideas from us and put it 235 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,239 Speaker 4: on their TV to make it look like they invented 236 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 4: and that was all bullshit, you know what I'm saying. 237 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 4: And it was like they talked to me about coming 238 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 4: up there, but then they were like, oh, no, we 239 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: can't touch in because you know you might come in 240 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 4: here and stay. Somebody'll give me a fucking break and 241 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: they actually did an angle with Carlito when he was 242 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 4: opposing to stay up John Cena coming out of a bar. 243 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 5: Right, I remember that. 244 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 4: Ye, that came from me stabbing the boy in Florida, 245 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 4: Oh jeez. And I had talked to them and they 246 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 4: were like interested in bringing me in the They were like, no, 247 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 4: they should happen. They should happen for real, you know 248 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. 249 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was match, right, Yeah, that was. 250 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 4: That was Don't imagine I tried to kill that motherfucker 251 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 4: go he hit me in my goddamn face. 252 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you could really tell, especially towards the end. 253 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 6: I mean, w CW came out with their hardcore division, 254 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 6: and I know they had I know Sandman was hardcore 255 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 6: hacked I think, or how which one was hard. 256 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: He was hacked because I've got the action, that's right. 257 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. And they brought in like Bam Bam and Lance 258 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 5: and they you know, kind of pooched some people. 259 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 6: But you could really tell that they were obviously just 260 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 6: like copping e c W stuff, you know what I mean, Right, 261 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 6: And it's it's always it's always that what if, like 262 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 6: what if ECW had gotten a better TV deal you know, 263 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 6: like what if they weren't on TNN, what if they 264 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 6: were on. 265 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 5: TNT, Like where would we be today? You know, right, 266 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 5: part of it sucks. Let me see, we're. 267 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 6: Okay, this may be opening words again, and you know, hey, 268 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 6: we're here for it doesn't matter. Who did you have 269 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 6: the best relationship with when you were in ECW and 270 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 6: who do you who do you think he had the 271 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 6: worst relationship with. 272 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 4: The best relationship was with Cronus? Oh okay, you know, 273 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: actually me, Coronas and Balls we always hung out together, 274 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: you know, and actually me and Coronis dived in Philly, 275 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: so we would get together and go to a bar 276 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: and have a drinks and do some drugs, and it 277 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 4: was just like, you know, we kept in touch with 278 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 4: each other a lot. As far as somebody on as 279 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 4: far as on the bed side, I never really had 280 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 4: anybody that I will entertain as far as me not 281 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 4: liking them, I mean I didn't like Tas, you know, 282 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: but I mean it didn't really mean shit because we 283 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: never worked, you know, so we we never did a 284 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 4: program together. So I was just like, you know, it's 285 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: just a bunch of motherfuckers trying to be tough, and 286 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 4: they ain't shit, but they wouldn't fuck with me, you 287 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: know what I mean. So I was just like, you know, basically, 288 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 4: fuck him. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't give a 289 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 4: shit about nobody. 290 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, you kind of came in and did your thing 291 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 5: and that was it. 292 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 293 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: Now, was there ever like a spot that you were 294 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, I've done some crazy shit 295 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 3: in my in my life, but that's one crazy thing 296 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: that I'm not gonna do. 297 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: Has there ever been that happened to you? Or have 298 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: you just kind of gone with the flow and be like, 299 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: you know what, fuck it, we'll do it. 300 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 4: No, I always, I was always with it. It was 301 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 4: always my idea to jump off of shit, you know 302 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And I was always with it. I 303 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 4: didn't give a fuck. I'll I would do whatever, you 304 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 4: know what I mean. And it wasn't Paul telling me 305 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 4: do it. It was me telling him that I was 306 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 4: gonna do it, you know what I'm saying? 307 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, gotcha. 308 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 2: And I know you've you've discussed about this before. 309 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 3: You you kind of talked to some of the guys 310 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: and you know, kind of work out the pre match, 311 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: and you know some of them. 312 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: Are kind of you know, eh, okay, you know whatever. 313 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: But the one thing that stands out to my mind 314 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: is the scaffold match that you had and to get 315 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: that receipt that you needed. 316 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 4: Well, that was a situation where, you know, I had 317 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 4: showed up late because it was stowing, and they want 318 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 4: us to do a double fall off of the scaffle 319 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: off the scaffold, me and Big Grimes. And I had 320 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: asked Vic, I said, did you go out there and 321 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: check out the scaffold? He was like, yeah, I checked 322 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: it out and it's fine, you know, we can do it. 323 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: So when we got up on top of the scaffel, 324 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 4: Vic was like, Jack, I can't do it. It's too high. 325 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 4: Now we're on pay per view, and this is a 326 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 4: conversation we're having on fucking pay per view. I was like, Vic, 327 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: we're going on three, and he was like, Jae, I 328 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: can't do it. I said, fuck you, We're going on three. 329 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 4: So I counted one, two, three, and I pulled him 330 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 4: down and he did this flip and he landed on 331 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: the side of my head and it drove my head 332 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 4: into the floor and I grabbed my school. 333 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 5: Man and that's that's the that's the injury. 334 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 6: That like really affected you, right, like that one you're 335 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 6: still feeling it to this day and stuff, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 336 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 6: so that's what led to this, the infamous scaffolding match 337 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 6: from that, Yeah, it was. 338 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: I will I will say starting up watching Dark Side 339 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: of the Ring when you were describing that match and you're. 340 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: Like, bombs away. 341 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: I think I rewound that at least three or four 342 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: times just to hear you say bombs a way round bite. 343 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: That would be the equivalent best SoundBite in the world. 344 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, no joke. Well, after after the infamous scaffold match, 345 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 5: I mean, what happened with you and Grimes? 346 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 4: Did y'all? 347 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 5: Were y'all fine after that? Or did you know each 348 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 5: other again? 349 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: No? I hate. 350 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 5: I mean it's a it's a valid. 351 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 6: And I mean that injury you got was gnarly, so 352 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 6: I can't fault you for it for sure. 353 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. Was there ever, like, did you have anybody? Was 354 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 5: there a dream match you wish you could have had 355 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 5: that didn't happen? 356 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 6: Or are you kind of content with your career where 357 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 6: you did you kind of like get you know, wrest 358 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 6: everybody you wanted to the. 359 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 4: Only person I never wrestled that I actually wanted to 360 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 4: do a program with was Roddy Piper. 361 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 5: Oh Jesus Christ, that would have been incredible, you. 362 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 4: Know what I mean. I wanted to do a program 363 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: with him, and it never happened. And I was like, 364 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 4: that's the only person that I didn't work that I 365 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 4: wanted to work. 366 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 6: I'm surprised. I'm surprised you guys. Path didn't cross. In 367 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 6: the nineties, we. 368 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: Did a we did a fit at a comedy club 369 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 4: in Atlanta. Oh wow, and Pipe was like, Jack, I'm 370 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 4: going first. I'll know, I'm going first. I'm like, fuck 371 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 4: this shit, I'm going first. He was like, no, I'm 372 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 4: going first. He said, it goes. I'm not gonna try 373 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 4: to come out there and follow you in comedy comedy routine. 374 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 4: He said, I'm not doing it. I was like, fuck you, 375 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 4: pie Ber. So he went first and did his thing, 376 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 4: and then I went and did mine. 377 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 5: That's an awesome story. 378 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 3: So one thing I always noticed when I'd watched your 379 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: matches in ECW is that your theme song would play 380 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 3: the entire match. Was that kind of a thing that 381 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: you just kind of kept playing and then once it 382 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 3: was over, you knew that that was when it was 383 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: time to go home. 384 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 2: Or was that your idea? Was that Pauli's idea? 385 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 4: It was my idea. I told him one night, I said, 386 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 4: can we play my intro music through the whole match? 387 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 4: My ring mused through the whole match? He was like why, 388 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 4: I said, because it seemed like a fight scene in 389 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: a movie. 390 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 5: Oh, that's a good call. 391 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, with the music playing, you know what I'm saying. 392 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 4: So I'm like, try it, he said, I don't know. 393 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: I'm like, probably, just try it. I said. If it 394 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 4: don't work, then we won't do it anymore. I'm like, 395 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 4: just try it and see how it goes. And he 396 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 4: was like, all right, we'll try it. We do it 397 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 4: this one time, and we did it and it went 398 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 4: over so good. He was like, can you do that 399 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 4: every week? And I was like, yeah, we could do 400 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 4: it every week. I'm like, that's what I want to do. 401 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 4: He was like all right, he said, We're gonna put 402 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 4: it in the program your ring music plays and we 403 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 4: would just loop it and we do it every week. 404 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 4: So that's how it started. 405 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 3: And that was the one thing that kind of stood 406 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: out to me in your matches. And you know, at first, 407 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: I thought, well, maybe it was just kind of like 408 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: an editing process of like them just playing that during 409 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: that match. But now you talk about that, and you 410 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 3: know another thing that was kind of interesting. When we 411 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 3: had raveon on a couple of weeks ago, he mentioned 412 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: about one night it was fans bring your own weapons night, 413 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: and it kind of comes full circle because he said 414 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: when he was going through the back looking all the weapons, 415 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: there was a frozen turk, which he didn't use, but 416 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: you used correct. 417 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: Raven's full of shit. He is full of shit. We 418 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 4: had a weapons match that night and the fans brought 419 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 4: all these different weapons, and the kid brought me a 420 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: fucking frozen turkey. Raven had nothing to do with that. 421 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: He's a fucking liar. He had nothing that lie motherfucker. 422 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 4: He had nothing new that they didn't bring it to him. 423 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 4: They brought that to me, and I went in the 424 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 4: garbage can and I saw it and I was like, 425 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 4: this thing is heavy. But we brought it out to 426 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 4: the ring anyway, and I threw it in the ring 427 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 4: and I actually used it like it's a bonding spot, 428 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 4: like I was bowling bowing ball and I hit the 429 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 4: guy in the nuts with it, and he was sitting 430 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 4: down in the ring and I hit him anohing and 431 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 4: the fan popped like a motherfucker. But they had nothing 432 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 4: do with Raby he full of ship. 433 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 3: Because that's what we were kind of We started talking 434 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 3: about the e c W days and he was like, yeah, 435 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: it was a fans bring a weapon night and there 436 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: was all these weapons in the back and it was 437 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 3: kind of like we picked what we wanted kind of thing. 438 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: And I see, Lion mother, are you and Raven still 439 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: on good terms? 440 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 4: Or yeah we are. He's a liar. 441 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 5: A lot chickens. 442 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 4: Oh man, that's great. They're lying bastard. 443 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: When when he started talking about I was like, Okay, 444 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: we've got new Jack coming on, so we've got to 445 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 3: talk about this because I know that in past interviews 446 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: you've talked about using this frozen turkey. 447 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: And I was like, light bulb, let's see if what happened. 448 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 3: With this frozen turkey, because I mean I remember watching 449 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: your matches and you know, you hit some guy over 450 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 3: there in the head with like a computer keyboard and 451 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 3: the cheese grater and the sickle, and I mean, god 452 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: knows what what you know stuff nu Jack brought to 453 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: the ring with him, and that was always the fun 454 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 3: things like you had no idea what new Jack, but 455 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 3: you knew that there was gonna be a trash can 456 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 3: full of shit. 457 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: What was gonna be in It's like a grab bag. 458 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's a funny story. 459 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 5: So you know, one of the one of the promotions 460 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 5: that really put you on the on the map was 461 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 5: Smoking Mountain Wrestling here in tim and Knoxville. For those 462 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 5: that don't know, that. 463 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 6: Was kind of Jim Cornette's brain child, and he had 464 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 6: a I don't know, there was some kind of affiliation 465 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 6: with w w F at the time. I think because 466 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 6: like some of the talent, they swapped talents or whatever. 467 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 6: This this could be a five second answer, it could 468 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 6: be a two minute whatever you want to do? What 469 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 6: uh are you still cordial with Jim Cornett? 470 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 4: And yah? 471 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 5: What what's your what's your? I don't know current opinion 472 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 5: of him, he's he's. 473 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 6: Kind of all over the place as far as public 474 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 6: opinion goes me in credit cool. 475 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: I mean we had our moment back in the day, 476 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: but I mean everybody kissen made up and we're cool. 477 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. He's respected me and I 478 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 4: respect him. 479 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 5: Well that's all you can ask for. 480 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 3: What's what's the one match. And we've already talked about 481 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 3: dream matches. What has been like your favorite match of 482 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 3: all time? Out of all the matches you've had, what's 483 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: been the one that sticks out that was like, that's 484 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 3: probably going to go down as the greatest of all 485 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 3: time New Jack. 486 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 4: Match Big Grind When I threw him over that scalfel. 487 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 6: Boom away. 488 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, when I threw that over the scalel that I 489 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 4: can said that my best match. 490 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: Was there was there ever a match that you really 491 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 3: really wanted to have And they're like, no, that's just 492 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: a little too dangerous for us to put on TV 493 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: or pay per view. 494 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 5: No, well, that's a good feeling. That's awesome. 495 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 4: Well, I understand something. I worked with the Rock and 496 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 4: Roll Express, you know what I'm saying, And I mean 497 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 4: Ricky and Robber like my two favorites, you know, because 498 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 4: they taught me a lot, you know what I'm saying. 499 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 4: And it was like some of the stuff that we 500 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 4: did go down in history, you know what I'm saying. 501 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 4: We did the whole O. J. Simpson Rodney King thing, 502 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 4: and you know it got over like a motherfucker and 503 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 4: people in Tennessee hate and Smoky Mountains hated me. 504 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 5: That was the perfect crowd for it. 505 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, unfortunately still yeah, there's still a lot of racists 506 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 6: down here. 507 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 5: So but yeah, out. 508 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 6: Angle you did with them was awesome because I think, 509 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 6: did you guys, did you guys beat them for the 510 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 6: belts in Smoky Mountain or did y'all just have a 511 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 6: I can't remember. I think they were the Smoky Mountain champs? 512 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 5: Did y'all? 513 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 4: They were the champs? And what happened was corney had 514 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 4: it set up where we had gotten an attorney to 515 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 4: say that it was some legal shit that happened, and 516 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 4: they put the bells on us. They took him from 517 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 4: the rock roll to spreads, so we actually we never 518 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 4: beat him. 519 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 5: Oh gotcha, but they put the belts on. 520 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 4: It anyway, you know what I'm saying. So it all 521 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 4: worked out, good man. 522 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 3: Just and I've gone back and watched the crowd on 523 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: YouTube of those matches, and it's just you could just 524 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 3: pinpoint who is the racist people in that crowd. And 525 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 3: I guarantee you, like you probably heard some stuff. Was 526 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 3: there ever a time that you wanted to just you know, 527 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: and I'm probably sure you have just wanted to just 528 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: haul off and knock one of those people out in 529 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: the crowd for whatever they said, Yeah, just kind of. 530 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 4: They would call you a nigga to drop of a 531 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 4: fucking hat, you know what I'm saying. And I was like, 532 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 4: this shit drove me fucking nuts. And it was like 533 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 4: one night we did a match, we did a show 534 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 4: where Ricky and Robbert we didn't match, and it was 535 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 4: a guy that kept coming to the ringside and he 536 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 4: kept screaming, nigga, you fuck get out of here. I 537 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 4: was like, so after the message over him, I jumped 538 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 4: the rail and was chasing a guy out of the building. 539 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 4: So you got a picture this. It was him. It 540 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 4: was a long line. It was him me. Mustafa was 541 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 4: behind me, Ricky was behind Mustapha, Robin was behind Ricky, 542 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 4: the referee, and. 543 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 5: Then security Jesus Christ. 544 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 4: It was one long line and I chased the motherfucker 545 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 4: down through the woods and. 546 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 3: I bet he thought he was you know, I thought 547 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 3: he was untouchable because it was between you know, didn't 548 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: cross that line and yeah, you know and that And 549 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 3: that's the thing now is people still think that it's 550 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 3: that it that it's okay to say something like that, 551 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: and it's you know, now it's getting more out there, 552 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: especially with people on Twitter and social media that you know, 553 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 3: they don't realize that, Hey it's they'll you know, don't 554 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 3: say that. 555 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's still a big one. You don't say. 556 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 557 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 6: So if you had the offer to obviously not in 558 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 6: like a wrestling capacity, but if you had the offer 559 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 6: to come back to you know, let's just pick like 560 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 6: aw I mean, if they if they made it an 561 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 6: offer to come back as a producer or writer or 562 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 6: agent or trainer or anything like that, would that be 563 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 6: something you'd entertain or you kind of okay with your 564 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 6: you know, non wrestling life right now. 565 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 4: I mean I'm cool. I mean, you know what I'm saying. 566 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 4: I got my my my I'm putting together some T 567 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 4: shirts right now, I got my book, I got pictures, 568 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 4: I do appearances. You know what I'm saying. When I can, 569 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 4: when they allow us to go outside, you know what 570 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: I mean. But if they offer me the right amount 571 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: of money, I would do it. 572 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 5: Nice. What do you if you had your wish? Like, 573 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 5: what do you what would you like to do? 574 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 6: Like do you think you'd be you'd have more to 575 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 6: contribute as a trainer or do you think you'd be 576 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 6: more like a producer, you know, use your creativity. 577 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 5: Oh Asia agent, Yeah. 578 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned T shirts. 579 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 3: Do you do you have any kind of idea when 580 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: they're gonna drop? Because I'm looking on eBay right now 581 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: and there is an ECW original gangst the New Jack 582 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 3: shirt for one hundred and ninety five dollars one and 583 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 3: it's the one with you on it and it says 584 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: wanted by the FBI, and it's on the back of 585 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: is New Jack. 586 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: And I'm looking at it right now. 587 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: But I would much rather put money into your pocket 588 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 3: than somebody on ebased pocket. 589 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, pay attention to my Twitter and my fan page 590 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 4: because in Instagram, because that's what when we do it, 591 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 4: we don't put it on there nice you know what 592 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 4: I mean? So you you able to buy it for me? 593 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 2: Perfect? And where's where can people find you at on 594 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 2: social media? 595 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 4: On Twitter, I'm at the Onlyneujack dot com, the only 596 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 4: New Jack. My fan page is New Jack. I forgot 597 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 4: on Instagram. 598 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 5: I was just trying to look for it. 599 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 3: That is that is that the only social media account 600 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 3: that you haven't been blocked or shut off from. 601 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: Your Instagram account? 602 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks like it's a New Jack one eight seven. 603 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just still you know the fact that I 604 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: was able and blessed a time to see new Jack Russell, 605 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: especially at the fairgrounds those several years that he was 606 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: at TNA. I mean I was there every Wednesday night, 607 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 3: and I thought it was the greatest thing in the world, 608 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: especially the fact that you know, you went in there 609 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: and got on that cherry picker and jumped off of 610 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 3: that thing, and I thought, holy shit, this guy's crazy. 611 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 4: And let me ask you a question, do yond I 612 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 4: do not. 613 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 6: I kind of followed a little bit, but I haven't 614 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 6: not as much as I used to. 615 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's still crazy popular though. 616 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it. 617 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the the one thing I do kind of 618 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: follow along a little bit with the UFC. Is I'm 619 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: interested to see with this Dana White private Island fight 620 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: Club whatever he's building. 621 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, sounds weird. He's buying an island just to 622 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 5: have UFC fights. 623 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like every movie. It's a fight 624 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: to the death. That's what's gonna happen. Yeah, million dollar prize. 625 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 3: New Jack's gonna be there and you have to face 626 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: him at the end. Well, we we appreciate you taking 627 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: some time out with us and uh being on the 628 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: show with us tonight, and like I said, it's an 629 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: honor to have you, and I uh tried not to 630 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: mark out the fact when you messaged me back saying 631 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 3: that you would come on like I told you, I 632 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: was like, holy shit, Like it literally is happening, Like 633 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 3: new Jack is coming on the show. 634 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 4: Right. 635 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, And congrats on the book, Congrats on Dark Side 636 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 6: of the Ring, you know, hoping hoping some positive buzz 637 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 6: comes your way. And we'll keep an eye out on 638 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 6: the T shirts too, because we we as soon as 639 00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 6: your episode hit. 640 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 5: Damn, I gotta get a new Jack shirt. I haven't 641 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 5: had more teenage. Yeah. 642 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for everything. 643 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: All right, man, thank you. 644 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 7: We hope you enjoyed today's episode of the Battleground Podcast. 645 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 7: Make sure you give it five stars and a nice review. 646 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 7: To stay up to date with the show, follow them 647 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 7: at Battleground Podcast on Instagram.