1 00:00:00,210 --> 00:00:27,660 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:31,460 Speaker 1: the show, fellow ridiculous historians. Let's hear it for our 3 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,410 Speaker 1: super producer, Mr. Max Chiropractory Williams. 4 00:00:35,570 --> 00:00:40,059 Speaker 2: Max, the mellified man of La Mancha Williams. 5 00:00:40,659 --> 00:00:43,650 Speaker 3: You guys excited to get some tattoos done? Within a week, 6 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:45,570 Speaker 3: we're all going to have tattoos from Cruz. I mean, 7 00:00:45,610 --> 00:00:46,330 Speaker 3: avoid shit. 8 00:00:46,370 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 2: Tattoos from Cruz tattoos? 9 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,140 Speaker 1: Well, obviously not me, but I fully support you guys. 10 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,980 Speaker 2: Especially you, Ben. I'm on the fence, too, man. I'm 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,500 Speaker 2: not going to let you bully me into getting a 12 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: freaking Cruz tattoo. 13 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: I'm 100% on the fence, too. From what I've heard, 14 00:01:02,060 --> 00:01:04,660 Speaker 3: it's the duo from Sminty who are leading the charge 15 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:05,179 Speaker 3: on this one. 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Sminty, meaning Stuff Mom Never Told You. 17 00:01:08,260 --> 00:01:15,090 Speaker 1: Featuring the legendary Annie, Sam and Rima. So we we're 18 00:01:15,130 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: big fans of these folks. And that's Noel Brown. And 19 00:01:18,020 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm Ben Bullen. Yeah. And I got to ask you 20 00:01:21,260 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: guys quick poll for the crew. What's the weirdest thing 21 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:28,810 Speaker 1: you would do to live forever or to live like 22 00:01:28,860 --> 00:01:29,589 Speaker 1: an extra 50 years? 23 00:01:31,020 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: Drink mercury. That'll kill you, though. Yeah. I'm good. I'm 24 00:01:36,459 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: good with mortality, man. You can keep it. You can 25 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,300 Speaker 2: keep your juice. Okay. By you, I mean whatever snake 26 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,850 Speaker 2: oil salesman is offering me, this devil's bargain. Right. 27 00:01:50,610 --> 00:01:55,410 Speaker 1: We've asked this question just like so many world leaders. 28 00:01:55,790 --> 00:01:59,730 Speaker 1: Shout out to Mercury. Max is referencing the first emperor 29 00:01:59,770 --> 00:02:04,870 Speaker 1: of China there. we've also asked this in more modern senses, 30 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:08,690 Speaker 1: like would you consider uploading your consciousness to the cloud? 31 00:02:09,389 --> 00:02:09,850 Speaker 2: Don't do it. 32 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:16,650 Speaker 1: Would you make clones? Would you participate in cannibalism? And 33 00:02:16,690 --> 00:02:18,750 Speaker 1: before you answer that last one, folks. Yes. 34 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:21,209 Speaker 2: Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Wait, wait, wait. 35 00:02:21,250 --> 00:02:21,690 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 36 00:02:21,750 --> 00:02:22,470 Speaker 2: Quick caveat. 37 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:27,660 Speaker 1: Noel, I love the yes and enthusiasm. On that last note, 38 00:02:28,220 --> 00:02:32,500 Speaker 1: before we talk about cannibalism, What if we sweetened the deal? 39 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,820 Speaker 2: So, like, we're going to make human cake or something? 40 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:44,310 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to make cannibalism sweet again, dude. We also, Nola, 41 00:02:44,410 --> 00:02:50,090 Speaker 1: as you remember, we became, years ago, fascinated with funereal 42 00:02:50,180 --> 00:02:55,220 Speaker 1: and burial practices across the planet, like mummies, cannibalism, cremation, 43 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,500 Speaker 1: one of my personal favorites, sky burial, and so on. 44 00:02:58,730 --> 00:03:00,970 Speaker 2: Yeah. Today we're talking about a different method. It's a 45 00:03:00,990 --> 00:03:04,450 Speaker 2: little bit more sticky icky. It is. It is. 46 00:03:04,790 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Out of all of humanity's traditions surrounding, like you said, Noel, mortality, death, 47 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,100 Speaker 1: and thanatology in the afterlife. 48 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,740 Speaker 2: Thanos. I already made this realization, man. This has happened 49 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: in real time before. It's happening a second time. He 50 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: is death incarnate. Yeah. 51 00:03:22,820 --> 00:03:25,780 Speaker 1: Thanatology is the fancy word for the study of death. 52 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:32,010 Speaker 1: There is one legendary process that stands unique. What, pray tell, 53 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:35,369 Speaker 1: exactly is a mellified man? 54 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: My mellow, my man. They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly. 55 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:50,310 Speaker 2: It's just a real chill dude. Yes, it's just a. 56 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:53,930 Speaker 1: It's just a real mellow yellow of a person. 57 00:03:53,970 --> 00:03:56,950 Speaker 2: Well, it would make you a little yellow. It's entirely possible, 58 00:03:56,970 --> 00:04:00,410 Speaker 2: or at least amber in hue. And you can't get 59 00:04:00,450 --> 00:04:03,730 Speaker 2: much more mellow than dead. And what's the word I'm 60 00:04:03,750 --> 00:04:09,590 Speaker 2: looking for? Preserved in sweet, sweet nectar of the bees. Yeah, yeah. 61 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,550 Speaker 1: So we'll introduce our word of the day. Melification, with 62 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:19,050 Speaker 1: two L's. All it means is introducing honey into some 63 00:04:19,210 --> 00:04:23,100 Speaker 1: other substance, like making a honey cake, right? Or the 64 00:04:23,339 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: production of honey in general. And what I love about this, 65 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: Nola Max, is that this beautiful, awkward English language is 66 00:04:33,339 --> 00:04:37,950 Speaker 1: so full of cartoonishly specific words. 67 00:04:37,910 --> 00:04:41,890 Speaker 2: That we don't use often. Ben, I made a delightful 68 00:04:42,589 --> 00:04:47,970 Speaker 2: marinade for my salmon last night that involved lemon juice, seasonings, 69 00:04:48,529 --> 00:04:51,390 Speaker 2: and honey, and a little olive oil. Did I mellify 70 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:51,890 Speaker 2: my salmon? 71 00:04:52,980 --> 00:04:55,940 Speaker 1: You may have mellified it, yeah, because you, especially in 72 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: a marinade, Noel, there we're introducing it into this other substance, 73 00:05:00,980 --> 00:05:04,059 Speaker 1: that being the salmon. Do you put ginger on the salmon? 74 00:05:04,779 --> 00:05:07,020 Speaker 2: I have been known to do so. I am currently 75 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,310 Speaker 2: without ginger, but I really love a citrus in my salmon. 76 00:05:11,690 --> 00:05:14,510 Speaker 2: And a little bit of honey or even maple syrup 77 00:05:14,650 --> 00:05:18,230 Speaker 2: is nice because it causes it to caramelize a little 78 00:05:18,250 --> 00:05:19,930 Speaker 2: bit on the outside and you get a nice crust. 79 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:21,670 Speaker 2: And I've been doing my salmon. I know it's a 80 00:05:21,670 --> 00:05:23,170 Speaker 2: little bit lazy, but I've been doing it in the 81 00:05:23,230 --> 00:05:27,540 Speaker 2: air fryer and it flipping rules. No judgment, man. That's 82 00:05:27,580 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: going to be awesome. 83 00:05:29,470 --> 00:05:32,770 Speaker 1: The only judgment is that you haven't invited Max and 84 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:33,710 Speaker 1: Max and I. 85 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:36,890 Speaker 2: It already was awesome. It's gone. It's done. But I'll 86 00:05:36,910 --> 00:05:38,330 Speaker 2: do it. I'll do it up for you guys when 87 00:05:38,370 --> 00:05:40,150 Speaker 2: we get back from our voyage. 88 00:05:40,870 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 3: Now bring the air fryer with you. Let's air fry 89 00:05:42,740 --> 00:05:44,380 Speaker 3: some sandwich on the voyage. 90 00:05:44,460 --> 00:05:46,739 Speaker 2: This is a chunky air fryer, man. This is like 91 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,180 Speaker 2: almost like an industrial kitchen type air fryer. It's got 92 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,580 Speaker 2: racks and stuff. I really like it. 93 00:05:52,380 --> 00:05:54,979 Speaker 3: I got the Delta card. I get two free check bags. 94 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:56,180 Speaker 3: I'll use one for the air fryer. 95 00:05:56,260 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: Nah, I think they got the food. The food stuff's covered, man. 96 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: They are pretty good. 97 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,310 Speaker 1: We'll ask about their honey stance, but we can imagine 98 00:06:06,490 --> 00:06:09,950 Speaker 1: they will tell us they're very pro-honey because we can 99 00:06:10,089 --> 00:06:12,990 Speaker 1: all agree, and we hope you do too, folks, that 100 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:17,650 Speaker 1: honey has always been seen as a sort of miracle 101 00:06:17,770 --> 00:06:22,630 Speaker 1: substance in humanity. Right. Going back to before the real 102 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:28,060 Speaker 1: written word, it's how would we. OK, let's say aliens land. 103 00:06:28,420 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: How do we describe honey to them? I would say 104 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: it's like bee milk. 105 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,860 Speaker 2: Well, spoiler alert, sort of for begonia and save the 106 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:40,099 Speaker 2: green planet. More begonia. Three, two, one. The aliens in 107 00:06:40,140 --> 00:06:44,110 Speaker 2: that movie are super into honey and bees. And in fact, 108 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:46,450 Speaker 2: that's kind of the way. One of the ways they 109 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: judge the failure of humanity is the die-off of colony collapse. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 110 00:06:55,460 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: Perfect note because honey is– in begonia, it is seen 111 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: as a miracle substance by extraterrestrials as well. You're a 112 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,020 Speaker 1: bee or you're a certain type of bee like a honeybee. 113 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: You get nectar from flowers. You go back to the hive. 114 00:07:13,660 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: you start working on this concoction. So this stuff, the 115 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: end result is so dense that a single tablespoon has 116 00:07:22,340 --> 00:07:28,050 Speaker 1: around 64 calories, 17 grams of sugar, no fat, no fiber, 117 00:07:28,390 --> 00:07:32,190 Speaker 1: no sodium. Obviously, humans have been in love with this 118 00:07:32,230 --> 00:07:34,350 Speaker 1: stuff for so long. 119 00:07:34,450 --> 00:07:36,490 Speaker 2: Well, it's also just nom, nom, nom-y, man. I mean, 120 00:07:36,550 --> 00:07:42,250 Speaker 2: it's like, it's delicious. And it has some pretty incredible 121 00:07:42,490 --> 00:07:44,910 Speaker 2: health properties, you know, whether you go out for all 122 00:07:44,930 --> 00:07:47,350 Speaker 2: of the holistic, you know, medicine type stuff. 123 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:51,630 Speaker 1: Eat honey made from local bees. 124 00:07:51,650 --> 00:07:53,870 Speaker 2: They say it'll help you. I've seen it happen. 125 00:07:54,170 --> 00:07:58,300 Speaker 1: It'll help you tackle allergies or the placebo effect. 126 00:07:58,710 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: Maybe so. And we know the placebo effect is a 127 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,780 Speaker 2: hell of a drug, but it does feel like it 128 00:08:02,820 --> 00:08:06,430 Speaker 2: does something. And also, You know, raw honey, they say, 129 00:08:06,490 --> 00:08:10,450 Speaker 2: has even more health benefits. Anyway, I just it's obviously 130 00:08:10,670 --> 00:08:15,290 Speaker 2: one of the most fascinating, naturally occurring kind. I mean, 131 00:08:15,330 --> 00:08:18,290 Speaker 2: just the perfect storm it takes to make this stuff, 132 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:22,290 Speaker 2: that it even exists. The interaction of, you know, animal 133 00:08:22,330 --> 00:08:26,970 Speaker 2: and plant to create this, the whole synthesization process of 134 00:08:27,050 --> 00:08:29,740 Speaker 2: it is really, really fascinating. And it's such an interesting 135 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,500 Speaker 2: look into the complexity of our planet. Yeah, yeah. 136 00:08:34,660 --> 00:08:38,390 Speaker 1: And we found a really interesting theory on our way 137 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:42,210 Speaker 1: to the mellified man here, folks. There are strong arguments 138 00:08:42,309 --> 00:08:46,270 Speaker 1: that honey may be partially responsible for the birth of 139 00:08:46,350 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: human civilization because way before people were figuring out how 140 00:08:50,980 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: to plant and routinely grow things, early ancestors of humans 141 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,180 Speaker 1: were honey hunters. It was a supplement to the meat 142 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:03,030 Speaker 1: and the plants they would find. You still see it, 143 00:09:03,170 --> 00:09:07,810 Speaker 1: in fact, in modern hunter-gatherer groups like the Hadza of Tanzania. 144 00:09:08,650 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: We see multiple anthropologists saying the massive energy density of honey, 145 00:09:15,390 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: just that punch you get, helped Homo sapiens evolve those large, 146 00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:23,860 Speaker 1: extremely expensive brains. 147 00:09:24,020 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's even something called medical-grade honey, or manuka, which 148 00:09:28,420 --> 00:09:31,110 Speaker 2: is a particular... I'm trying to look up a little 149 00:09:31,130 --> 00:09:34,900 Speaker 2: bit more detail about the background of it. Yeah, okay. 150 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,500 Speaker 2: So it is indigenous to New Zealand and Australia. It 151 00:09:38,660 --> 00:09:44,140 Speaker 2: comes from the Leptospermum scoparium plant, and it is apparently 152 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: gangbusters at treating burns and other kinds of wounds. Even 153 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,770 Speaker 2: the regular stuff, I think, does an okay job in 154 00:09:51,790 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: minor cases. burns and cuts and the kind of thing 155 00:09:54,780 --> 00:09:56,450 Speaker 2: you would have seen maybe used to make. 156 00:09:56,350 --> 00:10:00,650 Speaker 1: A poultice ah we love a poultice here uh we 157 00:10:00,860 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: also know that the earliest depiction of humans chasing honey 158 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,300 Speaker 1: dates back to get this folks 8 000 years ago 159 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,850 Speaker 1: there's a rock painting in Spain's Spider Cave. We're just 160 00:10:16,010 --> 00:10:17,470 Speaker 1: translating to English here. 161 00:10:17,490 --> 00:10:19,350 Speaker 2: I want to go there. That sounds dope. You want 162 00:10:19,370 --> 00:10:22,590 Speaker 2: to go to Spider Cave? Yeah. 163 00:10:22,809 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: Noel, could you describe the picture? We've attached an image 164 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:29,380 Speaker 1: of what was painted on the cave wall. 165 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, it's kind of classic 166 00:10:31,300 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: cave painting type stuff. Yeah, dude, it's sort of a 167 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:40,110 Speaker 2: wiry cave painting-esque figure. What maybe looks to be some 168 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:43,829 Speaker 2: plant life, some stalks of some kind. and maybe a 169 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,340 Speaker 2: rudimentary sun in the horizon. I'm not quite sure if 170 00:10:47,380 --> 00:10:50,500 Speaker 2: that's what I'm looking at. But very clear are the 171 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: wafting and floating bees that are, you know, there's multiple 172 00:10:56,540 --> 00:10:59,140 Speaker 2: of them. They're kind of clustered together like bees tend 173 00:10:59,230 --> 00:11:02,450 Speaker 2: to be. And, yeah, I mean, it's pretty clear what 174 00:11:02,470 --> 00:11:05,790 Speaker 2: they're depicting here. It also looks like the Homo sapien 175 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:10,370 Speaker 2: being depicted is holding some sort of basket, perhaps doing 176 00:11:10,390 --> 00:11:16,350 Speaker 2: an early form of beekeeping. Apiary keeping? Yes. Yeah, yeah. 177 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:20,410 Speaker 2: An apiarist? An apiarist, yeah. You nailed it, man. 178 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:24,690 Speaker 1: It did not take long for humans to move from 179 00:11:25,050 --> 00:11:29,930 Speaker 1: stalking wild bees, kind of like bears, into attempts at 180 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: domesticating bees. And that's why we see organized beekeeping, or 181 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:39,579 Speaker 1: as we said, apiary practices, dating back to like 3000 182 00:11:39,580 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: BCE in ancient Egypt. People were astounded. This stuff never 183 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: went bad. It tasted amazing. It is no surprise that 184 00:11:49,220 --> 00:11:53,819 Speaker 1: folks also ascribed magical powers to honey. You know, you 185 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,070 Speaker 1: see the you see the Greeks, right? They say that Zeus. 186 00:11:58,550 --> 00:12:00,910 Speaker 1: ate honey as a child that's part of why he's 187 00:12:00,950 --> 00:12:02,430 Speaker 1: so powerful. 188 00:12:01,929 --> 00:12:04,610 Speaker 2: Bro the bible's always talking about the land of milk 189 00:12:04,670 --> 00:12:08,150 Speaker 2: and honey you know i mean it's definitely considered pretty 190 00:12:08,220 --> 00:12:13,239 Speaker 2: top stuff uh throughout various cultures um not to mention 191 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: ben uh have you seen the movie the beekeeper. 192 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: Yes with uh jason statham i like how all his 193 00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:21,010 Speaker 1: titles are him having a. 194 00:12:20,990 --> 00:12:25,660 Speaker 2: Job it's true i think it's it's good I really 195 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,620 Speaker 2: enjoy it. I do love when a badass kind of, 196 00:12:30,690 --> 00:12:33,510 Speaker 2: you know, person in a film is also depicted as 197 00:12:33,550 --> 00:12:36,710 Speaker 2: being like hyper zen until they start just like, you know, 198 00:12:36,830 --> 00:12:39,710 Speaker 2: going on a murder spree that they do with the 199 00:12:39,770 --> 00:12:43,939 Speaker 2: calm and collectedness of an apiarist. Yes, yes. 200 00:12:44,420 --> 00:12:48,860 Speaker 1: We also know the nine muses of myth. If they 201 00:12:48,980 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: liked you as a poet, an orator, or a philosopher, 202 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:56,309 Speaker 1: they would give you sacred honey on your tongue. It 203 00:12:56,350 --> 00:13:00,130 Speaker 1: would make you speak and think better than the, you know, 204 00:13:00,290 --> 00:13:04,420 Speaker 1: ordinary hoi polloi or the proletariat. And word among the 205 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,020 Speaker 1: Greeks was that if you had to pass through the 206 00:13:07,179 --> 00:13:11,179 Speaker 1: underworld and the afterlife on the way to Hades, you 207 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:15,340 Speaker 1: would meet his three-headed guard dog and you could bribe 208 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,340 Speaker 1: the dog with honey cakes. 209 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:19,870 Speaker 2: He just wants a treat. He just wants a treat. 210 00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:22,050 Speaker 2: He's a good boy. He just wants a treat. Yeah, 211 00:13:22,070 --> 00:13:24,940 Speaker 2: it's something that you see kind of interculturally speaking, like 212 00:13:24,980 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 2: the Norse, for example. As we know, they were quite 213 00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: fond of honey because they used it to make meat. Oh, 214 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: that's right. 215 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: Yep. 216 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,689 Speaker 2: In Hindu culture, honey is part of a concoction called panchamrita, 217 00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:42,550 Speaker 2: which is milk, yogurt, clarified butter, honey, and sugar that 218 00:13:42,650 --> 00:13:49,090 Speaker 2: is often offered during worship. to various ancestors, leaving offerings 219 00:13:49,230 --> 00:13:53,910 Speaker 2: of sweets and milk. Honey may also be used, depending 220 00:13:53,990 --> 00:13:57,730 Speaker 2: on various family cultures. In Mesoamerica, you see it. I mean, 221 00:13:57,750 --> 00:14:02,770 Speaker 2: it's all over the place, man. Because it doesn't go bad. Oh. Yeah. 222 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,300 Speaker 2: I was going to say, but not only does it 223 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,300 Speaker 2: not go bad, whatever you stick inside of it also 224 00:14:07,340 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: doesn't go bad. That's the idea. 225 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: The human relationship with honey is so deep, so widespread 226 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:17,330 Speaker 1: throughout history. It is no wonder that humans looked at 227 00:14:17,410 --> 00:14:21,470 Speaker 1: it and eventually said, let's get even weirder, similar to 228 00:14:21,530 --> 00:14:23,890 Speaker 1: those alchemical ideas about mercury. 229 00:14:23,930 --> 00:14:26,450 Speaker 2: What if we put a whole dude in there? Yeah, right. 230 00:14:27,310 --> 00:14:31,460 Speaker 1: The big difference being that people who tried to consume 231 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:36,540 Speaker 1: mercury to live forever got mercury poisoning and died pretty quickly, 232 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,540 Speaker 1: but consuming honey is not going to kill you. So 233 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,140 Speaker 1: at this time, there was a lot of what we 234 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,180 Speaker 1: call sympathetic magic. Since honey does not spoil, maybe consuming 235 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,940 Speaker 1: this unspoilable thing will do something similar to you. It 236 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:56,580 Speaker 1: can heal your wounds, cure medical conditions. It could give 237 00:14:56,620 --> 00:15:00,330 Speaker 1: you strange powers or put you into a state beyond 238 00:15:00,690 --> 00:15:01,810 Speaker 1: simple life and death. 239 00:15:02,530 --> 00:15:05,190 Speaker 2: And Ben, if I'm not mistaken, it's coming to me 240 00:15:05,370 --> 00:15:07,050 Speaker 2: from something we talked about in the past, either on 241 00:15:07,070 --> 00:15:08,350 Speaker 2: this show or stuff they don't want you to know, 242 00:15:08,780 --> 00:15:12,140 Speaker 2: I want to say there's historical evidence of psychedelic honey, 243 00:15:12,780 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: kinds of honeys that'll get you messed up. Mad honey 244 00:15:16,140 --> 00:15:17,970 Speaker 2: is what they called it, I want to say, from 245 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:25,030 Speaker 2: the black region of Turkey and Nepal that could cause nausea, vomiting, sweating, dizziness, tingling, 246 00:15:25,230 --> 00:15:29,970 Speaker 2: and some reports that it even could cause hallucinations. 247 00:15:30,470 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: Yes, meetings with God, right? And Obviously, over the many 248 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,300 Speaker 1: millennia here, people tried to weaponize it. Here's the headline 249 00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:45,410 Speaker 1: for the episode. For centuries, folks, there has been this 250 00:15:45,510 --> 00:15:51,150 Speaker 1: very weird rumor that certain holy figures practiced a specific 251 00:15:51,210 --> 00:15:56,110 Speaker 1: type of slow-motion, honey-centric suicide. They would turn their bodies 252 00:15:56,370 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: into these relics that, when consumed by ordinary humans... would 253 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: function as a panacea. 254 00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, meaning a cure-all. Yes, sir. Yeah, yeah. 255 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,970 Speaker 1: Snake oil to the max. Our primary sources, not you, Max, 256 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:15,730 Speaker 1: just to the maximum. Our primary sources for these claims 257 00:16:15,890 --> 00:16:22,470 Speaker 1: come from an infamous Greek historian, Herodotus And I learned 258 00:16:22,510 --> 00:16:25,830 Speaker 1: that pronunciation from Assassin's Creed, so nobody get mad at me. 259 00:16:25,950 --> 00:16:27,690 Speaker 2: I think you nailed it. But Ben, speaking of the 260 00:16:27,770 --> 00:16:29,990 Speaker 2: panacea effect of it all, we talked recently on this 261 00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:32,810 Speaker 2: show about stink oil type stuff. I think it was 262 00:16:33,340 --> 00:16:35,460 Speaker 2: maybe in the Stuff People Used to Get High Too episode. 263 00:16:35,510 --> 00:16:38,300 Speaker 2: I can't quite remember. Yes, very much so. Right. And 264 00:16:38,340 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: I maybe mentioned, I know what it was. It was 265 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,660 Speaker 2: with Zarin. He was talking about, we're talking about reindeer 266 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:45,860 Speaker 2: antlers and guts and stuff like that and how in 267 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:50,770 Speaker 2: my relatively recent kind of fitness obsession, The algorithm on 268 00:16:50,830 --> 00:16:53,870 Speaker 2: Instagram serves me up all kinds of weird snake oily 269 00:16:53,950 --> 00:16:56,510 Speaker 2: kind of supplements. Eat these reindeer organs. Eat these reindeer 270 00:16:56,570 --> 00:16:59,850 Speaker 2: organs or this velvet, antler velvet. One that I keep 271 00:16:59,890 --> 00:17:05,170 Speaker 2: seeing is particular types of raw honey that apparently, you know, 272 00:17:05,570 --> 00:17:08,030 Speaker 2: come in these little packets and you eat it. It also, 273 00:17:08,070 --> 00:17:10,610 Speaker 2: because it is so calorically dense, it's very popular with 274 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:15,449 Speaker 2: bicyclists because they need to, and because the carbs, you know, 275 00:17:15,570 --> 00:17:18,570 Speaker 2: that's a big part of the fuel that long haul 276 00:17:18,590 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: products mountain bikers need. And it's so low weight. Low weight. 277 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:23,939 Speaker 1: That's a huge part of it. 278 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: So our guy Herodotus. 279 00:17:32,910 --> 00:17:35,550 Speaker 1: He has a, we'll be honest with you folks, he 280 00:17:35,609 --> 00:17:38,689 Speaker 1: has a lot of wild ass statements. One of his 281 00:17:38,730 --> 00:17:43,710 Speaker 1: statements is that Assyrians used to inter or embalm their 282 00:17:43,770 --> 00:17:48,260 Speaker 1: dead with honey. He didn't say it gave them magical powers. 283 00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:51,580 Speaker 1: For that, we have to go to Chinese medical text, 284 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,090 Speaker 1: especially one called the– we're going to butcher the Chinese here, folks. 285 00:17:56,550 --> 00:18:01,649 Speaker 1: The translation would be great pharmacopoeia or the Ben Kao 286 00:18:01,690 --> 00:18:02,310 Speaker 1: Gong Mu. 287 00:18:02,590 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And it makes sense. You know, people are always 288 00:18:05,900 --> 00:18:08,980 Speaker 2: talking about ancient Chinese medicine and these kind of holistic 289 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:12,859 Speaker 2: remedies that culturally come out of that part of the world. 290 00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:17,670 Speaker 2: And honey is a big part of that. The compendium 291 00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:20,310 Speaker 2: that you're talking about, Ben, was published during the Ming Dynasty. 292 00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:24,869 Speaker 2: It includes some quite compelling accounts of medicine and natural 293 00:18:24,890 --> 00:18:28,810 Speaker 2: history and some of the traditional Chinese medicine and herbology 294 00:18:28,850 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: I was talking about. It was created by a dude 295 00:18:31,340 --> 00:18:36,230 Speaker 2: named Li Shixian. who lived from 1518 to 1593. He 296 00:18:36,530 --> 00:18:42,110 Speaker 2: was a physician and a pretty learned fellow, multidisciplinary type dude. 297 00:18:42,369 --> 00:18:46,070 Speaker 2: And he spent 27 years combining all of these sources 298 00:18:46,170 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 2: into his magnum opus, a lot of which you're going 299 00:18:49,140 --> 00:18:54,020 Speaker 2: to recognize from some of the Chinese, popular Chinese remedies. 300 00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: that experts here continue to use. I mean, you hear 301 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 2: people all the time recommending, you gotta go to this 302 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,140 Speaker 2: Chinese herbalist, you know, it's like life-changing stuff. And maybe 303 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,470 Speaker 2: there's some placebo effect in that, but I don't know, man, 304 00:19:06,550 --> 00:19:07,970 Speaker 2: like I'm very curious. 305 00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:14,730 Speaker 1: Yeah, natural medicine, right, native medicine has things that big 306 00:19:14,790 --> 00:19:18,070 Speaker 1: pharma doesn't always have. And I know people might feel 307 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:20,710 Speaker 1: like it's a hot take, feel that way if you wish, 308 00:19:20,790 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: but it is correct. And in this huge book, this 309 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: encyclopedia of Li Shijian saying all this stuff that he 310 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,310 Speaker 1: heard about, he's like the editor, right? In this book, 311 00:19:35,570 --> 00:19:40,649 Speaker 1: there's one entry that still mystifies historians and doctors alike. 312 00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:44,990 Speaker 1: It's the legend of the mellified man. So his book 313 00:19:45,030 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: has this bizarre secondhand account in it. And he says, look, also, 314 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,660 Speaker 1: I've heard that certain elderly holy men in distant lands 315 00:19:56,740 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: of the far west, cough, cough, modern Arabia, they're going 316 00:20:01,180 --> 00:20:03,940 Speaker 1: to get to the near the end of their lives. 317 00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:08,380 Speaker 1: And because they are so righteous, they volunteer to for 318 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:14,310 Speaker 1: a specific type of mummification process. The typical mummification process 319 00:20:14,910 --> 00:20:20,530 Speaker 1: occurs posthumously in Egypt, or you could get ritually sacrificed 320 00:20:20,590 --> 00:20:24,490 Speaker 1: and buried in some dry cave like mummies in South America. 321 00:20:25,010 --> 00:20:28,220 Speaker 1: Not for these guys. What they do is start out 322 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,550 Speaker 1: by just eating honey. They go on a new diet. 323 00:20:31,869 --> 00:20:35,649 Speaker 2: Honey diets, an only honey diet. They would apparently even 324 00:20:35,710 --> 00:20:40,570 Speaker 2: start bathing in honey. How expensive is that? Well, that's 325 00:20:40,609 --> 00:20:42,229 Speaker 2: a good point, Ben. We didn't really talk about this. 326 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:46,030 Speaker 2: I don't know that we have any figures, but certainly 327 00:20:46,109 --> 00:20:50,010 Speaker 2: today we have these much more massive operations, maybe it 328 00:20:50,030 --> 00:20:52,310 Speaker 2: was part of why colony collapse is a thing. I 329 00:20:52,369 --> 00:20:55,510 Speaker 2: can't quite recall. But back in those days, honey probably 330 00:20:55,530 --> 00:20:57,410 Speaker 2: would have been a pretty hot commodity. You couldn't just 331 00:20:57,470 --> 00:21:00,950 Speaker 2: make endless amounts of it, right? Right, exactly. 332 00:21:01,130 --> 00:21:04,420 Speaker 1: And so these guys, as we're telling you just the 333 00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:08,620 Speaker 1: straight up story, they, okay, so they're all older dudes 334 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,100 Speaker 1: and they're always a dude. They start eating honey. And 335 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: like you were saying, Noel, They start bathing in honey. 336 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,700 Speaker 1: Prices be damned. You can't take the money with you. 337 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,369 Speaker 1: And as they enter this diet, their bodies begin to change. 338 00:21:23,570 --> 00:21:29,909 Speaker 1: They are becoming mellified. This glorious bee milk substance is 339 00:21:30,010 --> 00:21:32,990 Speaker 1: replacing a lot of their anatomy to the point where 340 00:21:33,010 --> 00:21:37,100 Speaker 1: they are sweating honey. They're peeing honey. They're pooping honey. 341 00:21:37,420 --> 00:21:38,580 Speaker 1: They stink of honey. 342 00:21:42,810 --> 00:21:47,459 Speaker 2: I would argue that they have a delightful aroma of honey. No, man, 343 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:49,580 Speaker 2: it would probably get real gnarly. You're right. And they 344 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,940 Speaker 2: would eventually just wither up, wither away and die from 345 00:21:52,980 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: malnutrition because man cannot live on carbs alone. Yeah. 346 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,109 Speaker 1: Even back then, everybody knew this was unsustainable. Like you 347 00:22:02,130 --> 00:22:05,810 Speaker 1: were saying, once these guys passed away, that's where things 348 00:22:05,869 --> 00:22:09,190 Speaker 1: get interesting because the next step in the process is 349 00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:13,190 Speaker 1: is to create what we could call a time capsule today. 350 00:22:13,570 --> 00:22:16,230 Speaker 1: You put the body, after the person has passed away, 351 00:22:16,270 --> 00:22:19,650 Speaker 1: you put the body into a stone coffin, you fill 352 00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:21,010 Speaker 1: it to the brim with. 353 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:25,169 Speaker 2: Honey. It's honey. It is. It is. 354 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,169 Speaker 1: And then you seal it up for a hundred years. 355 00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: The first two ingredients are a righteous human being and honey. 356 00:22:33,380 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: The third ingredient is time. So like That made-for-TV infomercial 357 00:22:39,030 --> 00:22:42,070 Speaker 1: guy used to say with his rotisserie chicken, set it 358 00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:42,950 Speaker 1: and forget it. 359 00:22:43,109 --> 00:22:48,070 Speaker 2: Yeah, man. That's honey for you. It's nature's rotisserie chicken 360 00:22:48,130 --> 00:22:52,670 Speaker 2: cooker thing. So the people cooking this kind of, let's 361 00:22:52,690 --> 00:22:56,670 Speaker 2: be honest, pretty macabre recipe up likely knew that they 362 00:22:56,780 --> 00:23:01,590 Speaker 2: probably weren't going to do this themselves. Right. because, you know, 363 00:23:01,670 --> 00:23:05,609 Speaker 2: it took a hundred years to cure, right? Yeah. 364 00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:10,210 Speaker 1: So you are, you are the person putting the honey 365 00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:13,430 Speaker 1: on the corpse and sealing the coffin. You know, it 366 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: takes a hundred years to reach its potential minimum. So 367 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: you're probably not going to see it. And we have 368 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:27,730 Speaker 1: an excerpt of Li Shenzhen's description translated to rough English. 369 00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: Maybe we Maybe we half and half this. It says, 370 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: in the land of the Arabs, there are men 70 371 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,700 Speaker 1: or 80 years old who are only willing to give 372 00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:42,260 Speaker 1: their bodies to save others, such that one takes no 373 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: more food or drink, only bathing and eating a little honey, 374 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,020 Speaker 1: till after a month his excreta are nothing but honey, 375 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,500 Speaker 1: then death ensues. 376 00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:57,149 Speaker 2: Wowzers is compatriots place the body to macerate in a 377 00:23:57,210 --> 00:24:00,449 Speaker 2: stone coffin full of honey with an inscription giving the 378 00:24:00,490 --> 00:24:02,390 Speaker 2: year and month of a burial. It's basically like they're 379 00:24:02,430 --> 00:24:06,130 Speaker 2: packing them up in a Tupperware. Yeah, it's labeled Tupperware. 380 00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:10,500 Speaker 2: For anybody who has a freezer. or an obsession with 381 00:24:10,580 --> 00:24:15,150 Speaker 2: cooking ahead. I'm a big vacuum sealer guy. I love it. Yeah, 382 00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: it's great. It's the way to go. The astronauts do it. 383 00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:19,790 Speaker 2: Excellent kitchen accessory. 384 00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:20,590 Speaker 3: Yeah. 385 00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:25,330 Speaker 1: So, okay, we've got our Tupperware body in its stone coffin. 386 00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:29,469 Speaker 1: Fast forward a century has passed because honey doesn't go bad. 387 00:24:30,369 --> 00:24:36,689 Speaker 1: The issue here is that the body-honey combination, per the legend, 388 00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: starts to break down into kind of a gunky confection 389 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: of sorts. You'll hear English speakers call it a mummy confection. 390 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:54,990 Speaker 1: This pharmacopoeia refers to it as miuret, which translates to 391 00:24:55,330 --> 00:24:56,110 Speaker 1: honey person. 392 00:24:57,550 --> 00:25:00,270 Speaker 2: We've made a honey person. That's nice. A little scary. 393 00:25:00,970 --> 00:25:03,830 Speaker 2: Why am I thinking of Jurassic Park through all this? 394 00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:08,129 Speaker 2: Like just thinking of like the... you know, the insects 395 00:25:08,190 --> 00:25:13,169 Speaker 2: preserved in amber. I'm just curious if tree sap and 396 00:25:13,230 --> 00:25:15,930 Speaker 2: honey have any commonalities, at least in terms of their 397 00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:18,570 Speaker 2: ability to preserve. Yeah, it would appear that both derive 398 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:22,580 Speaker 2: from sugary liquids. That makes sense. They do have different 399 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,659 Speaker 2: compositions and roles, but they do have some commonalities in 400 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: their caloric density and their ability to crystallize. And they're obviously, 401 00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:34,859 Speaker 2: of course, both produced by natural processes. Yeah. 402 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:38,940 Speaker 1: Yeah, and our buddy Lee, the editor of this pharmacopoeia, 403 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: he says, here's what happens. After this century of curing 404 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,060 Speaker 1: has occurred, you take your stone coffin, you check the date, 405 00:25:48,140 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: you unseal it, and you take just a little dab 406 00:25:51,859 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: of this resulting corpse gunk and you put it on wounds, 407 00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:59,790 Speaker 1: both external and internal. So somebody gets hit with a 408 00:25:59,850 --> 00:26:02,770 Speaker 1: spear or a sword or some other type of blade. 409 00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:06,390 Speaker 1: You just plop it on them. and go with God, 410 00:26:06,410 --> 00:26:08,410 Speaker 1: and they're going to be fine. Or if you have 411 00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:12,750 Speaker 1: internal fractures or maladies of the organs, you give them 412 00:26:12,810 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: a little bit that they sip on, and it'll fix them. Yeah. 413 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm skeptical of how an internal hemorrhage is 414 00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: going to be cured by a little sip of honey. 415 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,950 Speaker 1: Right. Especially knowing what we know about how the body 416 00:26:30,010 --> 00:26:34,060 Speaker 1: ingest substances, right? Like, how is that going to, anyway. 417 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:39,660 Speaker 2: Well, and I could see from observation in early, you know, 418 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 2: documentation of this kind of phenomenon, how it might appear 419 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,369 Speaker 2: to have some sort of regenerative qualities. Of course, yeah. 420 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,710 Speaker 1: And this gets us to a weird part. We have 421 00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:56,899 Speaker 1: to admit that even in Lee's time, Everybody knew the 422 00:26:57,260 --> 00:27:01,820 Speaker 1: economy would mean that this miracle drug wasn't for everybody. 423 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,050 Speaker 1: It was so labor-intensive in terms of ingredients. Someone has 424 00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:08,150 Speaker 1: to actually die, and they have to be a good 425 00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:12,310 Speaker 1: person before they die. As a result, the end product 426 00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:15,810 Speaker 1: is super-duper rare. It's hard to find. If you can 427 00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:21,330 Speaker 1: find it, it's egregiously expensive. This is a medicine for 428 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:21,949 Speaker 1: the elite. 429 00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:23,609 Speaker 2: That's the story. 430 00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:28,669 Speaker 1: That Lee says he heard. And similar to Herodotus, Lee 431 00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:32,610 Speaker 1: never says he directly witnessed this. He never says he 432 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:37,149 Speaker 1: saw the results, nor consumed any of this mummy gunk. 433 00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: And that leads us to ask Nolan Max, did this 434 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:44,139 Speaker 1: ever actually happen, or is this a legend? 435 00:27:51,140 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: I don't doubt that it was attempted. I'm just skeptical 436 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,050 Speaker 2: as to some sort of result being a perfectly preserved 437 00:27:59,670 --> 00:28:01,550 Speaker 2: human body. I hear you. 438 00:28:01,730 --> 00:28:04,609 Speaker 1: I'm even more skeptical, man, because I don't think it 439 00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:05,310 Speaker 1: was attempted. 440 00:28:05,470 --> 00:28:06,990 Speaker 2: Okay. All right. 441 00:28:07,230 --> 00:28:11,070 Speaker 1: I did just because of the cost, you know? And Lee, 442 00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:15,209 Speaker 1: I think, shares that with us because he is, again, 443 00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:18,209 Speaker 1: like you said, he's a polymath. He wants to be 444 00:28:18,270 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: seen as a credible academic source. And toward the end 445 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: of his entry on the Malified Man story, he puts 446 00:28:26,260 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of fine print where he writes in part, 447 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,940 Speaker 1: I myself do not know whether the tale is true 448 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: or not. In any case, I append it for the 449 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,740 Speaker 1: consideration of the learned. 450 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben, I'd be skeptical as to what kind of 451 00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:44,900 Speaker 2: evidence might be out there in the archaeological record or 452 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,530 Speaker 2: even outside of this hearsay that it would appear this 453 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:55,060 Speaker 2: gentleman is repeating. any kind of true procedural guide on 454 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: how to go about this, like in some sort of 455 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 2: repeatable way. 456 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. He's basically saying, guys, this is some stuff 457 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,220 Speaker 1: I heard, but if you're reading this, you're a nerd 458 00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: like me, so maybe you can straighten it out for us. 459 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,940 Speaker 1: You can't do that in today's medical works, but if 460 00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: we unpack it, You know, what I think interests both 461 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,620 Speaker 1: of us here is that we do know ritualistic or 462 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:28,260 Speaker 1: medicinal cannibalism is a real thing. It's in so many cultures. 463 00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: You asked me at the top of the show if 464 00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:33,570 Speaker 2: I would ever do cannibalism. Maybe you didn't ask me 465 00:29:33,610 --> 00:29:36,970 Speaker 2: in that way directly. Hey, bro, would you ever do cannibalism? 466 00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:39,190 Speaker 2: What are you doing Saturday, bro? I just mean if 467 00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: it was like... if someone donated their body to you 468 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: know culinary school i'd give it a try if it 469 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,570 Speaker 2: was like if there was if it wasn't yeah if 470 00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:49,250 Speaker 2: it was there's some i would i would give it 471 00:29:49,270 --> 00:29:51,430 Speaker 2: a go i would i would try human meat It's 472 00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:54,410 Speaker 2: all about the marinade, really. It really is. Let's malify 473 00:29:54,430 --> 00:29:59,850 Speaker 2: that biz. There are numerous popular examples of ritualized cannibals, 474 00:29:59,910 --> 00:30:03,770 Speaker 2: of course. One that perseveres to this day, or at least, 475 00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:06,170 Speaker 2: you know, what's the word I'm looking for? It's more 476 00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:09,310 Speaker 2: of a figurative example of cannibalism, but I've always found 477 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:12,090 Speaker 2: it pretty ghoulish. Yeah, yeah. 478 00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:14,729 Speaker 1: What we're saying here is going to be obvious to 479 00:30:14,770 --> 00:30:19,690 Speaker 1: a lot of our fellow Western ridiculous historians. If you 480 00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:24,670 Speaker 1: want ritualized figurative cannibalism, look no further than the practice 481 00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:27,670 Speaker 1: of Catholicism and a lot of Christianity. 482 00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:29,270 Speaker 2: The Eucharist. 483 00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, the concept of consuming the Eucharist represented by the 484 00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: ingestion of wine or grape juice and crackers that signify 485 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,780 Speaker 1: the consumption of the blood and body of Jesus Christ 486 00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: from earlier times. You know, we also have to mention transubstantiation, 487 00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:51,770 Speaker 1: which argues this is not figurative. Once it touches your 488 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: tongue or your mouth, it becomes the blood and body 489 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:55,940 Speaker 1: of Christ. 490 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,810 Speaker 2: And of course, you know, with things like vampirism and 491 00:30:59,850 --> 00:31:04,250 Speaker 2: just so much folklore that involves like absorbing someone's essence 492 00:31:04,350 --> 00:31:07,450 Speaker 2: by drinking of their blood or eating of their flesh. 493 00:31:07,550 --> 00:31:10,190 Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense that the ancient Romans truly 494 00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: believed that they could derive the power of the warrior 495 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,460 Speaker 2: from consuming gladiator blood. 496 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,860 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then we have to also mention a previous 497 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,580 Speaker 1: episode about how various medieval Europeans believed would literally grind 498 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: up Egyptian mummies for medicine, it's not implausible then to 499 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,030 Speaker 1: suppose that, you know, I have to walk it back. No, 500 00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:40,950 Speaker 1: it's quite possible that someone may have tried to mellify 501 00:31:40,990 --> 00:31:46,490 Speaker 1: themselves because our second point is honey is a miracle substance. 502 00:31:46,580 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: And truly it's, I mean, we didn't even get into this, 503 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: but part of the reason that it is so effective 504 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: in treating burns and wounds and things like that is 505 00:31:54,120 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: it has a significant antimicrobial properties. Yes. Good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 506 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:06,140 Speaker 1: We also, we've got to mention this. We have actual 507 00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:09,690 Speaker 1: proof that humans in some parts of the world still 508 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:14,180 Speaker 1: practice traditional rituals and medicine involving the use of human 509 00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:16,740 Speaker 1: body parts, not always with consent. 510 00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:21,750 Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's where it gets tricky. What we don't have, though, Ben, 511 00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:24,070 Speaker 2: I think we set it up, you set it up beautifully, 512 00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:27,050 Speaker 2: is much, if any, I don't know, you'll have to 513 00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:30,380 Speaker 2: school me on this one, Ben, evidence of this very 514 00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:34,790 Speaker 2: mellow man. Yeah, we have no proof, by the way. Cool, cool, cool. 515 00:32:34,830 --> 00:32:38,350 Speaker 1: We have no proof whatsoever unless this is one of 516 00:32:38,410 --> 00:32:42,790 Speaker 1: history's biggest cover-ups. We're not saying Lee was a knucklehead, 517 00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:44,450 Speaker 1: but like Herodotus before him. 518 00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:48,630 Speaker 2: He was a historian, though. Yeah, physician, historian. It was 519 00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:51,690 Speaker 2: doing a medical— I mean, I don't know that even in 520 00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:54,570 Speaker 2: the way he's describing it as saying you should do this. 521 00:32:54,790 --> 00:32:58,170 Speaker 2: He seemed skeptical. In the translations anyway, I think. 522 00:32:58,450 --> 00:33:00,750 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was leaning in and going, guys, I heard 523 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:03,090 Speaker 1: this crazy story, by the way. 524 00:33:03,170 --> 00:33:05,170 Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be wild? 525 00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:08,070 Speaker 1: He was working with a dearth of information. He had 526 00:33:08,150 --> 00:33:12,100 Speaker 1: no way to prove or disprove this conclusively. And he 527 00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:19,700 Speaker 1: was also working against translation because Herodotus just said, I 528 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,500 Speaker 1: heard some Assyrians got buried with honey, not necessarily encased 529 00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:28,110 Speaker 1: in it, again, crazy expensive. Herodotus never said these graves 530 00:33:28,170 --> 00:33:31,110 Speaker 1: were opened up like some kind of ghoulish goodie basket 531 00:33:31,150 --> 00:33:31,850 Speaker 1: for the wealthy. 532 00:33:31,870 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 2: It's so easy to forget how absolutely crucial translations are 533 00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:42,410 Speaker 2: of ancient texts or works of fiction or theater, you know? Like, 534 00:33:42,430 --> 00:33:45,750 Speaker 2: there was a lot of hubbub made around the recent 535 00:33:45,770 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan film, The Odyssey, and which translation was used. 536 00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: And I've heard a lot of discussions comparing previous translations, 537 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: and it can just change so much of the meaning. 538 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of back and forth on that one, too, right? 539 00:34:01,530 --> 00:34:07,170 Speaker 1: We know that if you go to more contemporary researchers 540 00:34:07,270 --> 00:34:12,190 Speaker 1: like Joseph Needham and or Lu Guizhen, they'll tell you 541 00:34:12,430 --> 00:34:17,569 Speaker 1: that old Li was probably lost in translation, just like 542 00:34:17,610 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: Bill Murray and Sofia Coppola. He was telling us this 543 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,500 Speaker 1: tale of exoticized Arabian mystics, but it was coming from 544 00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: much closer to home, an old Burmese custom, modern-day Myanmar, 545 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,250 Speaker 1: of preserving corpses of monks and abbots in honey. And 546 00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:41,390 Speaker 1: then he was saying, oh, and Buddhist values mean you 547 00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:43,930 Speaker 1: sacrifice yourself for other people. 548 00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 2: I guess I also don't fully understand, like, if I 549 00:34:46,910 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 2: were to be skeptical about one particular part of this description, 550 00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 2: is the whole, like, eating nothing but honey. Like, I 551 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,859 Speaker 2: get preserving a corpse. That makes sense. It seems like 552 00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:58,890 Speaker 2: that could work. Because of the antimicrobial stuff. 553 00:34:58,890 --> 00:34:58,930 Speaker 1: 100%. 554 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:04,130 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, like eating, what's the point of that? 555 00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:06,770 Speaker 2: Are you trying to just pre-preserve your innards? Like I 556 00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:08,890 Speaker 2: just like prime the pump a little bit? That part 557 00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:10,469 Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. 558 00:35:10,830 --> 00:35:14,430 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point, Noel, because we also here 559 00:35:14,489 --> 00:35:18,610 Speaker 1: in 2026, not being the smartest apes on the planet 560 00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:23,270 Speaker 1: just yet, we have hard scientific biological proof that if 561 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:27,930 Speaker 1: you only consume honey for a long time, It is 562 00:35:27,969 --> 00:35:32,150 Speaker 1: going to kill you way before you're straight up pooping 563 00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:35,090 Speaker 1: and sweating, honey. This is the epitome of don't. 564 00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:37,029 Speaker 2: Try it at home. For sure. Ben, I got to 565 00:35:37,150 --> 00:35:39,709 Speaker 2: sidetrack really quickly. Did I tell you that I booked 566 00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:42,510 Speaker 2: the Lost in Translation Hotel for my trip to Japan? 567 00:35:42,570 --> 00:35:44,660 Speaker 2: I'm so excited for you, man. Just for one night? 568 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,900 Speaker 2: It's the night that I'm going to be on my 569 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 2: own because I'm traveling with a big group and family 570 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: and stuff, and so we're kind of doing a little 571 00:35:49,460 --> 00:35:51,510 Speaker 2: bit of... You'll want that one night. I'm so into it, 572 00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:53,259 Speaker 2: but I was just like, you know what? I ought 573 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 2: to splurge and live out my... My Bill Murray finding 574 00:35:57,410 --> 00:36:02,589 Speaker 2: myself in Tokyo middle-aged crisis fantasy. Oh, come on. Treat yourself, baby. 575 00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:04,670 Speaker 2: I'm stoked, man. I'm going to have a time. 576 00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:08,089 Speaker 1: I don't care what time it is, wherever I'm at, 577 00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:08,810 Speaker 1: just text me. 578 00:36:08,850 --> 00:36:11,510 Speaker 2: I will. The Park Hyatt. Yeah, yeah. 579 00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:15,610 Speaker 1: And the nail in this sweet-smelling coffin is that even now, 580 00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:21,049 Speaker 1: as we record, no one, no one ever, ever has 581 00:36:21,130 --> 00:36:23,890 Speaker 1: found a single physical trace of this. 582 00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 2: No one. 583 00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:29,830 Speaker 1: Uh, mellified man, body parts, no artifacts, no honey ridden 584 00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:35,150 Speaker 1: stone coffins with somebody saying seal back up by this date. Uh, 585 00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:38,029 Speaker 1: and you know, that's one of the things you and 586 00:36:38,050 --> 00:36:40,700 Speaker 1: I were talking about off air. There are also no 587 00:36:40,820 --> 00:36:46,140 Speaker 1: records of this from the actual middle East at all. 588 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and by the way, um, middle Eastern honey, uh, there's, 589 00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:53,489 Speaker 2: there's a popular kind that I think when you and 590 00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:57,020 Speaker 2: I went to, the Middle East to Doha, Qatar. I 591 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,780 Speaker 2: brought home some of this Arabian honey that's like white 592 00:36:59,980 --> 00:37:02,100 Speaker 2: and it has a very different, I guess this just 593 00:37:02,219 --> 00:37:04,590 Speaker 2: has to do with what flowers, you know, are pollinated. 594 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,670 Speaker 2: But they're big on honey over there. 595 00:37:08,850 --> 00:37:13,469 Speaker 1: And they, yes, the Middle East does and did know 596 00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:17,290 Speaker 1: about honey. And the strangest thing we could find is 597 00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:22,190 Speaker 1: the closest that experts have gotten to figuring out a 598 00:37:22,270 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: mellified man case is is finding historical incidents of unscrupulous 599 00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:34,890 Speaker 1: con artists selling counterfeit mellified man gunk, just like medieval 600 00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:39,029 Speaker 1: grifters would shill out pieces of the true cross or 601 00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:42,549 Speaker 1: televangelists will sell blessed objects in the modern day. 602 00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:45,450 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's also important to mention that honey 603 00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:51,770 Speaker 2: could slow down the decay of organic flesh. True. And 604 00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:54,410 Speaker 2: you're definitely going to see it used to preserve things 605 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:59,620 Speaker 2: like nuts or fruits. Sure, yeah. And there's certain delicious 606 00:37:59,660 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 2: confections that are that very thing. But over time, you 607 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 2: would not end up with a preserved body part like 608 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 2: you would in, say, formaldehyde or even just alcohol, right? Right, yeah. 609 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,819 Speaker 1: So what we're saying here, folks, is we're kicking off 610 00:38:13,950 --> 00:38:20,220 Speaker 1: spooky season. with a little bit of skeptical uh skeptical investigation. 611 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,830 Speaker 2: How would you do a malified man costume ben. 612 00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:27,290 Speaker 1: Oh wow uh i've got some ideas okay yeah okay 613 00:38:27,570 --> 00:38:30,029 Speaker 1: i'm thinking like our couples costume yeah i'm thinking i'm 614 00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:32,890 Speaker 1: thinking like would you just cover yourself. 615 00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:35,830 Speaker 2: In honey and and maybe like walk around inside a 616 00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:37,870 Speaker 2: clear plastic bag like. 617 00:38:37,469 --> 00:38:41,020 Speaker 1: Yeah do like a uh skeleton mask Right. 618 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: So you have something that looks like this with the 619 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 2: eyes in it. Ben is holding aloft a poor Yorick-esque skull. 620 00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:53,890 Speaker 1: Oh, yes. Alas, he sweeted well. So that's a great question. 621 00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:57,750 Speaker 1: You would also maybe– I've got some ideas. 622 00:38:58,090 --> 00:38:59,950 Speaker 2: Okay. I've got some ideas. We'll talk offline. That's a 623 00:38:59,950 --> 00:39:04,250 Speaker 2: great question. Yeah. We'll offline this one. Niche historical costumes 624 00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:06,170 Speaker 2: are always a lot of fun. 625 00:39:06,610 --> 00:39:11,580 Speaker 1: Yes, I knew a quite clever guy back in another 626 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:18,299 Speaker 1: life who prided himself on thumbing through the dictionary and 627 00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: randomly dressing like a word he found there. And I 628 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:23,790 Speaker 1: got to tell you, they weren't all bangers. 629 00:39:23,950 --> 00:39:26,270 Speaker 2: Can't imagine they would be, Ben, but I do appreciate 630 00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:28,419 Speaker 2: the uh very specific flex. 631 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,739 Speaker 1: The commitment to the bit he came dressed as a 632 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,580 Speaker 1: quincux one time and i was like thank you for 633 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:35,420 Speaker 1: teaching me that word i think. 634 00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 2: People should dress up as esoteric uh like you know 635 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,350 Speaker 2: punctuation marks. 636 00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:45,530 Speaker 1: Right right and it's arabang uh quincunx by the way 637 00:39:45,590 --> 00:39:48,710 Speaker 1: a geometric pattern of five points arranged in a cross 638 00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: okay Yeah, no, it just wasn't the best costume, but 639 00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: a mellified man might be a wonderful costume. 640 00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 2: You said honey mummy off mic and corrected yourself. I 641 00:39:57,820 --> 00:39:59,589 Speaker 2: love honey mummy. I'm just going to say. 642 00:39:59,830 --> 00:40:02,029 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to save it because our point is. 643 00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: The next time someone tries to sell you a little snarf, 644 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: a honey mummy, don't buy it. 645 00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: You know, be cool. Don't bust them necessarily. So you 646 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,860 Speaker 2: do it first. You do it first. 647 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:20,129 Speaker 1: And folks, you have brave, the bold frontiers of podcastry 648 00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:23,330 Speaker 1: with us. We cannot thank you enough. We've got more 649 00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:26,450 Speaker 1: episodes on the way. We're so excited for you to 650 00:40:26,489 --> 00:40:29,910 Speaker 1: hear them. Big, big thanks to our super producer. one 651 00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:32,530 Speaker 1: of the sweetest guys in the game, Maxwell Williams. 652 00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:35,989 Speaker 2: Alex Williams, brother of Max, who composed... I had a 653 00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:38,710 Speaker 2: dream about Alex the other night, and the details elude me, 654 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:40,950 Speaker 2: but he was there, who composed our theme. 655 00:40:41,489 --> 00:40:45,850 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, big shout-out to A.J. Bahamas Jacobs, a.k.a. The Puzzler, 656 00:40:46,270 --> 00:40:50,770 Speaker 1: and a little bit of a skeleton face saying, Jonathan Strickland, 657 00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:52,790 Speaker 1: The Quister, we know what you did. 658 00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:55,490 Speaker 2: Yes, he is the skeleton in all of our closets. 659 00:40:56,590 --> 00:40:57,210 Speaker 2: There we go. 660 00:40:57,850 --> 00:41:00,970 Speaker 1: Eve's Jeffcoat, Chris Rossiotis here in spirit. 661 00:41:01,489 --> 00:41:04,230 Speaker 2: Boy, oh boy, the rude dude's over at Ridiculous Crime. Man, 662 00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:08,300 Speaker 2: really enjoyed having Zeron on the podcast talking about weird 663 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 2: stuff people used to get high to, get high with. 664 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 2: All right. Let's call it a day. 665 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: We've got to get stocked up on our antler velvet 666 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,700 Speaker 1: before we go on this trip. 667 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 2: A little snarf of antler velvet, perhaps. See you next time, folks. 668 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,790 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 669 00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.