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Speaker 1: All, Hey, guys, Bobby here, thank you for listening and

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Speaker 1: being subscribed to the Bobby Cast. You know, sometimes we

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Speaker 1: you know, since we've done the older episodes, there's just

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Speaker 1: been a lot happened to this person's career. So I

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Speaker 1: wanted to share with you guys an episode from way

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Speaker 1: back in the day, basically five years ago. Um in

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Speaker 1: the first year of this podcast. We sat down with

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Speaker 1: my friend, my songwriter friend at the time, Walker Hayes.

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Speaker 1: This was back when Walker was opening for me on

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Speaker 1: the road. We recorded this after a weekend of planned

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Speaker 1: shows together, so it was way before fancy, like I mean,

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Speaker 1: literally four years. We talked about the ups and downs

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Speaker 1: songs recorded by artists, and then him dropped and supporting

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Speaker 1: he blew up. So check it out. Here is episode

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Speaker 1: thirty six we're gonna replay for you now on the

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Speaker 1: Bobby Cast with Walker Hayes. All Right, welcome to episode

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Speaker 1: thirty six the Bobby Cast. Here this episode with Walker Hayes,

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Speaker 1: Hey boy, hey buddy. So, uh, I guess now we

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time together becau we're on the

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Speaker 1: ask the questions that I don't get to ask like

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Speaker 1: some of the stuff I wouldn't ask you, Like we're

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Speaker 1: just hanging out before show and we're like, tell me

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Speaker 1: your deepest fear, and you don't ask me stuff like yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we just talked. Yeah, we're just talked.

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Speaker 1: But we're always like getting ready for stuff right too,

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Speaker 1: because you always got to want to play. Um. So

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Speaker 1: here's the the whole. What we'll do is what kind

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Speaker 1: of encapsulate you and then we'll just work back. So

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Speaker 1: right now, you just signed a record deal to Monument Records, Right,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? Uh? My goodness? Uh? I mean

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Speaker 1: it means I have another chance and having a career,

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Speaker 1: you know, as an artist, and and that being my

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Speaker 1: full time job. I mean, that's what it means to me.

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Speaker 1: It might sound simple, but that's exactly what it means.

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Speaker 1: It means I have a career, a chance at a career,

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Speaker 1: a long lasting career again, yes, again, another shot for sure.

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Speaker 1: So you talk about other shots and just quickly here

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Speaker 1: because then I want to go all the way back

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Speaker 1: through it. But uh, you've been on labels before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is my third record deal. I've been in Nashville

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Speaker 1: twelve years, and I will sign A Mercury got dropped, signed,

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Speaker 1: a capital got dropped, and uh, you know, I didn't

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Speaker 1: really get that many um here, most people don't get

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Speaker 1: too and so this is my third. The thing about

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Speaker 1: this song called Joy like Judy. And so we got

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Speaker 1: and I heard the songs, so we'd be choosing to

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Speaker 1: was just we were, you know, doing a pimp and

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Speaker 1: joy thing. That's how we met, and so he came in.

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Speaker 1: The song actually was downloaded a bunch of times, you

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, that's a joy like dude together,

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Speaker 1: we talked about it. Then you ended up going on

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Speaker 1: it's like, that's where we are right now. So that's

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Speaker 1: the very beginning. Okay, So you talk about you came

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Speaker 1: when you came to Nashville? Was twenty let's see seven

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Speaker 1: until four? You go to school and study music. I

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Speaker 1: an emphasis on piano. You're a good piano player, are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you a piano player? Yeah? I mean down at

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Speaker 1: I'm as good at piano as I am a guitar.

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Speaker 1: So songs you knew the guitar then too, the right play? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: sat for a long long time. And man, honestly, just

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00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 1: to give Capital some credit. I mean they believed, I

427
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: mean they believed hardcore and and they stuck their neck

428
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: out for me. Um, I didn't fully understand, you know,

429
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: the need for the machine. I didn't know how the

430
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: bids really worked, you know at that time. You know,

431
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of arrogance. I'm not the

432
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: most coachable human being on the planet, and that kind

433
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: of you know, shot me in the foot back then.

434
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, we sat for a long time. I continue

435
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: to just right and write and try to give them

436
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: that one. You know that they felt confident. You know,

437
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go three deep a third one, I

438
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: mean that's your hail Mary right there, you know, especially

439
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: if the first two have flopped. Um. So I fought

440
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: and fought, you know, to write and and to get

441
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: that that song, the one, and man just couldn't find it,

442
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: and you know, eventually got dropped. And uh yeah, I

443
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: mean that was that was the beginning of some dark

444
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: some dark times right there. So you get dropped every

445
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: second label. What year was that, you know, let's see

446
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: it's two thouns seventies six, probably fourteen, we're getting fourteen,

447
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 1: So you get dropped in two thousand and fourteen, so

448
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: what do you do well at that period, I think

449
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: I have four kids, so I'm still not I'm still

450
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: not a truly buried in final financial woes. But I

451
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: had a pub deal, you know, and still my my publishers.

452
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: That's one thing that's that I've always had as a

453
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: pub deal, publishers that believe that I can get outside cuts,

454
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: you know. So at that time I didn't and I

455
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I just shut the artist thing down, but

456
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: I wrote, man, I aimed and aimed to get outside cuts,

457
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted outside country cuts. And one of

458
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: these mainstream artists, uh to to you know, I just

459
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: knew somebody was gonna cut one of my songs that's

460
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: gonna be huge. Kind of solidified me a spot in

461
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: that writer community. And uh, I eventually did get a

462
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: cut um from Rodney Atkins. Uh he cut one of

463
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: my songs called Touching Feet, and uh it was you know,

464
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: it was a great motivation, you know to keep on

465
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: writing and didn't end up being a single. But oy,

466
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: what about this one? I kind of forgot about sleep

467
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: repeat that's Rodney as too right, Yeah, that was the

468
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: So that was one he cut on the next album

469
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: and that was ended up being his ingle. Yeah, I

470
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: think I killed his career. No, you didn't squeeze. You

471
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: didn't know he rod He's a great guy and he

472
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: believed in some of my songs. And man, even though

473
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, I had several of those types of songs

474
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: that that would get cut and maybe they weren't the

475
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: single the big the big Dog on the record. But

476
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: when you get those, man, it just kind of tells you.

477
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a whisper saying, hey, stick around,

478
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: It's all right, you're here for a reason. What about

479
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: this here cole Fort song, Dirty Side, Dude, I love

480
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: this song. This is my jams. You're right it? Yeah? Yeah,

481
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: he featured me dirty time. If you ain't you side,

482
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: I don't know good dirty side? Yeah, I gotta side

483
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: looking for he side. I love my da. I didn't

484
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: know you can dance like got it together? Yeah, And

485
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: I'm super appreciated that the feature I'm talking about the

486
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: perfect girl. Man, I'm gonna tell you everywhere stopped looking

487
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: at Magazine's head on out. Say you're writing, you're out.

488
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: You don't have artists? Deal right, what you probably still

489
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: want even you still want to be the artist but

490
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: you do have you want to be the writer. You

491
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: talk about having dark times like your mind just like,

492
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: what did I tell you what the darkest period I

493
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: ever experienced here in Nashville was past these cuts. You know,

494
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: you get a couple of cuts, and I'm still I'm

495
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: not able to I mean, I'm barely supporting us, you

496
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. No, No No, the money is not

497
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: just rolling in from from these types of cuts. I'm

498
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: not having hit singles, which is kind of what you

499
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: gotta have, you know nowadays to thrive if as a

500
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: writer you gonna have one every now and then. Um,

501
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm loving what I'm doing. I mean, I feel like

502
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm getting better and better and so much closer to

503
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: dial in it in, you know, with with what artists

504
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: need and what they want and getting those outside cuts.

505
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: But I'm playing at Puckets Boat House and money gets

506
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: real tight. I'm talking seriously tight, and uh, I don't

507
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: really like to ask for help. And I had toyed with,

508
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, getting kind of a second gig, and I

509
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: remember this this night. I will never forget. I'm playing

510
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: Puckets Boat House, which, by the way, it's like a

511
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: restaurant in a stage yea for people, um, just so

512
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: that it's like a very famous Nashville Southern food restaurant

513
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: and there's a stage, right. And so what I what

514
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: I was doing is, you know, I didn't have an

515
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: artists deal, but I want to keep performing, so that

516
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: that the Andy Marshall a puckets so always so gracious

517
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: to me giving me a gig, and I'm playing for tips.

518
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: And what I would do is play an hour and

519
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: then host an open mic night just for the community.

520
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to meet new writers and stuff and kind

521
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: of do what people did for me in my first

522
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: couple of years here. So one night, this guy comes

523
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: and his name is Nick Candre, and uh, sweet sweet yeah,

524
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: comes up, wants to play at the open mic night.

525
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 1: And he just thinks, you know, he's he's heard my

526
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: songs on Rodney, my stuff on Colt. He thinks I'm

527
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: like Elvis, you know, and he's just treating me like

528
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: it too, and he and he mentions at one point

529
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: in the night that he worked at the tire center

530
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: at Costco and I was looking for a job at

531
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: night so I could continue writing during the day. And

532
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: so it was just a humbling moment to kind of

533
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: be like, hey, while you're getting my autograph, do you

534
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: know any you know, is there any openings at Costco?

535
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: You know, are they looking for for people that sty

536
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: stuff overnight and stuff? And he hooked me up and

537
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: that's how I got a job at Costco. But it

538
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: was just I mean, I don't know if embarrassing is

539
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: the word, but you know, it was just it was

540
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: an interesting moment that he saw me as kind of

541
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: like an influence on him musically, and I was so happy,

542
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, to meet me. And I was like, hey,

543
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: uh I kind of need a job, you know, I

544
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: need some help. Can you can you hook me up?

545
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: And uh so that was that that was a low

546
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: a low point for me. Um, kind of having to

547
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: ask for help from that guy. Do you feel like

548
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: he learned from it and appreciate it even more afterwards?

549
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: Just through that experience with experience, everything everything that is

550
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: connecting with people now is pretty much about that experience

551
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: in my life. So yes, um, it's been truly beneficial. Um.

552
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: I got a great perspective, h you know, what matters,

553
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, what matter in life. That's kind of what

554
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: Leela Stars is about. You know. I did a lot

555
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: of I did a lot of I don't know what

556
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: you say, like not soul searching, but you know we

557
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: uh yeah, interesting songs this guy and it's just a

558
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: roof daughter. Yeah. Yeah. That song is about the thumb

559
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: tacks that she gave me to hold up the roof

560
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: from Mi Honda that I had at the time, and

561
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: when my roof was coming down, I lost it and

562
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: I was just crazy at that point in my life.

563
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: I was drinking a time just to kind of cut

564
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: the edge off the heaviness, um and the burdens and

565
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: stuff that I I was kind of up against with

566
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: wanting to still chase my dream, kind of thinking I

567
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: was nuts. Um. Pretty much let everybody looking at us

568
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: from the outside, I probably thought I was nuts too. Um.

569
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: You know, I had all the kids and I was

570
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: still trying to do that to take care of them

571
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: when I could have you know, done a lot of

572
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: other things and made a whole lot of sense, you know,

573
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: to take care of them. But yeah, the lead of

574
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: Stars is about those stumb tacks that she she let

575
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: me borrow, and I was really bummed and frustrated at

576
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: the time. The roof coming out of my car was

577
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: one of those moments in your life where you're you're

578
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: looking up and you're like, you gotta be kidding me,

579
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, like I need one freaking more thing unit

580
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: to carry right now. And uh, one morning, when I

581
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: was about to clock in at Costco, I looked up

582
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: and I saw those thumb tacks and it just reminded me. Well,

583
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: first I thought of her face and just her smile

584
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: and how much fun she had putting those up, and uh,

585
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: she just thought they're awesome. You know, they made the

586
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: car look incredible, And it was just interesting perspective at

587
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: that time to remember, Hey, I got healthy kids, I

588
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: do have a job. I have to you know what

589
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean. And I'm still able to write. My wife

590
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: never was unhappy, you know. I was really the only one,

591
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: uh that was unhappy. Um. And so that was a

592
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: that was a great moment um and and got a

593
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: cool song out of it. So you were drinking a lot.

594
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: You don't drink it all now, so so you must

595
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: be drinking a lot. I have to stop, man. I was,

596
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we want, we want talking about numbers. I

597
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: mean I was like, I mean I was drinking from

598
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: I was drinking at Costco. Um. You know, obviously I

599
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: was doing my work, um, working hard, but I mean

600
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: I was. I was drinking on on breaks at Costco.

601
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: You know, I go to the parking lot, you know,

602
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: and do that leave, go do a show with the Bluebird.

603
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, they were hiring me for shows. I was

604
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: still able to get some work out of them. Um.

605
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: I drink before him, drinking after him, drink while I wrote,

606
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: drive home, drink because you're sad man. Uh yeah, I think,

607
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, I think I was just uh, I just

608
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: didn't want to face not making it, you know, not

609
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: not being able to to take care of everybody. You know.

610
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: It's it's almost like when you're drunk. Uh, those things

611
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: aren't as heavy. You know, they don't matter, I guess.

612
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: And um, drinking a little bit out of just insecurity

613
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: and fear, you know, I guess, uh, you know, just scared.

614
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: What was the point where you were like, Okay, I

615
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta chill, dude. Me quitting is the weirdest story,

616
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't, you know. Hopefully at some point it will

617
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: make sense where I could kind of help other people

618
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: and and and and and explain it. But honestly, I

619
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 1: mean I think I was. I think my body just

620
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: said to my brain, you have to you have to quit.

621
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: You know, we're working and drinking that much. I woke

622
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: up on a Saturday. I remember that as in October

623
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: football game day, me and football. Not drinking just didn't

624
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: ever happen. That hadn't happened since I was probably like fifteen,

625
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, something crazy like that. And I just

626
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: didn't drink one Saturday. And I don't even know why.

627
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: I didn't like wake up and say, man, I gotta stop.

628
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: I just woke up didn't drink that day. Um, I

629
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: didn't drink on Sunday. A couple of days turned into

630
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: a week, you know, and then it became this like

631
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: challenge where it was like I've gone this far. I

632
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: want to go backwards, you know. And I also kind

633
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: of had a little sobriety high. You know, when you

634
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: quit drinking you've been drinking that much, your body feels

635
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: really really good once it gets over, Um, you know,

636
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: not craving just to drink with with all your might.

637
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: But so yeah, now I'm like I was two octobers ago,

638
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: so I'm a year and almost a half. The funny

639
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: thing is I don't drink e there Walker doesn't drink,

640
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: and when we go on tour, beer like the writers

641
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: like full of beer and it just sits there. It's like, Walker,

642
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: I know you don't drink, but if you know anybody

643
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: that wants beer, they can have it. Said Nikita, end

644
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: up drinking some of it, show up on a little Nikita. So, okay,

645
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: tell me about this song here, this one, let's play.

646
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: Let's see, man, I got all of them. It's like

647
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: asking me which kid I'd like to do here? Talk

648
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: about this one? Beer in the fridge. I quick drinking.

649
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: The reason I want to get drunk because I played

650
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: this on the radio. I was like, I was moved

651
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: by the song. Yeah, I still lookout for the cops

652
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: when I'm driving around and I'm still not quiet. You

653
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: what to do with my in a crowd? There's a

654
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: lot I can't remember, and a lot I can't get

655
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: one silver pulling in the chamber and I don't playing

656
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Russia rule it with that being the friend last of

657
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: twelves so survived, but my last all night in the

658
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: back of the bottom, how ruled that song? It's gonna

659
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: be so real, man. Uh. It just touches on a

660
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: lot of you know, fears, insecurities that I deal with,

661
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: and like you know, you're asking, you know, why were

662
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: you drinking that much? Uh? You know my wife has

663
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: never never threatened to leave me, but she probably should

664
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: have several times you know in those in those in

665
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: that time period, you know, when I was drinking that

666
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: much and uh there you know there was there's so

667
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: many lines in that song that the front. My one

668
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: song line, one lyric in that song that I feel

669
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: like describes me and something that I that I deal

670
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: with is the first one about ran into your mama church,

671
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: Mama praying for you is now well, like I'm just

672
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: I just care what people think, you know, and I

673
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: and I and I and my own worst critic as well.

674
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: And drinking uh made me care less, you know. Uh

675
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: that was one positive about drinking. You know obviously don't

676
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: you don't need to drink to do that. But you know,

677
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: I I feel pressure, you know, to to be a

678
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: certain just I don't know, to succeed, you know, and uh,

679
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: prem yourself for myself. But but you know, like I

680
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: said when I told Lanny's parents we were coming here,

681
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: I feel the eyes, you know, I feel the I

682
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: feel people saying are you crazy, You're not gonna make it.

683
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: You're not good enough. You know you're not this and

684
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to believe him, but I kind of you.

685
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: And when I'm drinking, I definitely don't. I don't care

686
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: what they think. Um, but that song is so true,

687
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: you know the line about the hands. I mean, dude,

688
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: the first show that I played without a beer, I

689
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: just felt completely naked. I mean, I've never felt stupider

690
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: in my life because you know, so many years of

691
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: strumming that last chord and reaching for that beer. I

692
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: was to a point where just holding a beer before

693
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: I even opened the thing it gave it made me

694
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: feel a sense of security. You know, That's kind of

695
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: where I was with drinking. But yeah, it's true, I mean,

696
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: um but again I will say, I mean, Lenny, it's

697
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: not true. I didn't lose, you know, my wife, but uh,

698
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: you know, she saved many tears, you know, talking to

699
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: me about it, and I was at a point where

700
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: I admitted, you know, she would say things like she

701
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: didn't say things anymore like do you have a problem.

702
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: I would admit I wasn't in denial. At the point

703
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: when I quit, I said, I do have a problem

704
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: and I can't. I'm not gonna go without it. You know,

705
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: I need this right now for me, you know, I

706
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: want to move over to the Comedian. Yeah, your dark

707
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: songs like resonate with me like a hardcore like being

708
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: in the fridge. You know, I come from a family

709
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: of addicts and alcoholics, and I was like, damn, man,

710
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: just I just I feel the honesty in these songs

711
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: um with the Comedian, which I wanna play right here.

712
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: It's too bad. Being funny and being happy. He ain't

713
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: the same thing. It ain't the same thing. It's so

714
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: sad some of the only a hearts in the crowd

715
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: of the most enter tinging such a strange thing gets

716
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: to the ones who make us laugh to keep themselves

717
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: from crying. Gets to the ones who make just laugh

718
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: to keep themselves from cry. Like I heard this song

719
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: and it's tell you it's like it can and I

720
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: have issues like that, like where it's you know, I

721
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: want to wake people laugh so they can't see how sad.

722
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: And it's a process that I've been dealing with for

723
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: a long time. And it's that's the front. You try

724
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: to people laugh. That's where you find love. That's where

725
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: I always was able to find love. Like let maybe

726
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: the gay that make people laugh, because that's I'll find

727
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: the love from that that I have trouble accepting love,

728
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: of trouble giving love just from the environment. You know.

729
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: You and I talking abouts a nature or nurture, like

730
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: we have that conversation like away from stuff, and for me,

731
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely nurture the love thing. And I

732
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: heard that song, I was like, dear God, are you

733
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: writing songs from my brain? Like every song you would sing,

734
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: I'll be like God. So the comedian is that about

735
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: a friend of your specifically? So you went to high

736
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: school with them? Yeah, it's about a and I grew

737
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: up with and he did not, uh commit suicide. Hey,

738
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: but he died at an early age. And um, he

739
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: was that guy, uh you know, just hilarious. Um, but

740
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: did have issues, you know, and as we all do.

741
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: You know, I think so many people can can relate

742
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: with that song. You know, it's that we all try

743
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: to find that affirmation that's never really enough, but it

744
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: sure helps, you know. Uh, it doesn't sustain any any

745
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: long term uh healing or fix us. You know. It's

746
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: like drinking a beer and it does make me feel

747
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: good immediately, you know, and as does me performing on

748
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: stage and getting that laughing. It makes me feel like

749
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: I just jumped out of a plane, you know. But

750
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: when you get back into green room and you're all

751
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: by yourself, all the real stuff comes back, you know,

752
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: when you gotta do it again. But yeah, that that song.

753
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 1: I'm so glad A guy named Matt Jenkins and Josh

754
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: Jenkins they it with me, and they were insistent that

755
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: that we that we do that song together. And I'm

756
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: glad you appreciate it. I'm glad people. Yeah, that's like

757
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: and and we'll get to the more of beat stuff

758
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: because you have a sound that it's not like anyone else.

759
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: But I just you know, it's my podcast. I talk

760
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: about whatever I want. So those are like, those are

761
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: the songs that hit me hard. And I was just like, okay,

762
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: he's like speed songs. A lot of times I'm speaking

763
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: real human words anymore. And when you do feel something out,

764
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: then in regardless of sonically what it sounds like, it

765
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: being authentic still cuts through no matter what's behind it.

766
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Something for real still cuts through, regardless of the format

767
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: the instruments, Like realness cuts through and so that's what

768
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: I felt from, like stars and the comedian and beer

769
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: in the fridge. And but then you know, you got

770
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: stuff like break the Internet a little bit, shake shake

771
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, you make all the stuff in your show. Yeah,

772
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: and then beat on tables, beat on the wall, slammed

773
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: the door, all these sounds like it's you in that

774
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: microphone and you're beating cups and sounds it. Let's I

775
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: got a keyboard, back back thet you're doing all these

776
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: bab maniacs. But I got the record. As you're cutting

777
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: this and you're playing it for people, what are they

778
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: saying to you, like, Man, it don'tna work? Or is

779
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: it gonna be great? Or what they are they saying? Well, uh,

780
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: you know my the people at my publishing company, they

781
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: saw me obviously, uh you know, to write songs, but

782
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: wanted me to. They sign me with the intention of

783
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: me being an artist. And you know, I think at

784
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: first they thought, hey, he's gonna write that one, you know,

785
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: that dangerous one on the country ready, you know that

786
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: country radio slap slam first released Ba Boom. And then

787
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: what happened was I kind of got all therapeutic you

788
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: know on them, like you talk about Comedian and stuff

789
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: like that. Those feel so good for me to write.

790
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes it's just great to get that stuff

791
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: off of your chest and tell everybody that makes me

792
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: feel better. And so that's what I was doing with

793
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: those those dark ones and then the happy ones. That's

794
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: just kind of how that's how I want a party,

795
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, that's the stuff I want to play live.

796
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: And they definitely were. What what happened once I started

797
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: turning and turning them in and my team I didn't

798
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: see really a fast track, Hey this is going to

799
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: country radio, you know obviously from the sound. But they

800
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: just loved them. You know, they liked they loved the song.

801
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: They found themselves listening to them, um and cheat And

802
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: I know it's cheesy, but I even found myself I

803
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: would listen to them like they're not me. I'd be like,

804
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: I just liked this song. The Comedian, you know, yeah,

805
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: you make me want to shake time close in my mind,

806
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: he said to be. I say, that's something scrubbing the

807
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: front seat, telling me hanging out like Mikeena. Fun of

808
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: all this project was the first song you wrote. So

809
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: the first song on this project that was written was

810
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: either say sober. You broke up with me. I don't

811
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: know which came first, the chicken or the egg, um,

812
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, those those those two you broke up with

813
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: me was the one where we all went, Hey, keep

814
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: doing that, because that's something about that making this unique

815
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: and digestible. And this is a single now, he broke

816
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: up with to see me, but you broke up with me,

817
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: it was And I say, you broke up with me.

818
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: What's funny is I remember texting you. Is this all

819
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: came out? And you know you produced it yourself? And

820
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: I tell you us like hey, or the new version,

821
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: it's it's produced slightly different parts, it's like more radio palatable.

822
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: And your response was I'm listening to it like I

823
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: never heard it before. God, and you can't grasp my

824
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: party with yo? Sorry Sam wha, hommies, don't be raining

825
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: on my money. Coper rate. Oh a minute, I ain't

826
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: even my fingers listen to Yogayo trip and Yo folking

827
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: girl you made yo man and then all me in

828
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: and and nobody making you watch me get So that's

829
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: a single now and you're working out you know. The

830
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: interesting thing is is that And I'll just talk about

831
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: my listeners for a second, because I can always tell

832
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: by my listeners if it's exposed the right way, what

833
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: will work. Because don't I gonna do is play something

834
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: My listeners are no bs and they don't like it.

835
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: They just don't. They don't do what I say. I

836
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: just try to give them good options that they probably

837
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to hear other places. Like, Honest to god,

838
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: I can't make them do anything. But what I try

839
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: to do in my job is go, this is different

840
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: or this is really good, and you're not going to

841
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: hear this anywhere else, and if you like it, then

842
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: consume it. However, and I played that song and I

843
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: looked at an iTunes before I played it because I

844
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: like to see what happens. And I gave it one

845
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: full spin. It was a three. I played it one

846
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: time with an hour and a half, went to thirty

847
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: eight or something, and I was and for me, it

848
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a like. For me, it wasn't like, man, Bobby,

849
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: I told you you knew what was good. It was God.

850
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: If people can get out of that box a little

851
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: bit and see this is one spin. People reacted to

852
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: this song, and so you know I've tinkered with it

853
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: a bit more. But now it's kind of like, let's

854
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: let's let the libel see what they can do. But

855
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: it's got to be cool to see people hear it

856
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: and go, wow, I heard it. Now, I like it.

857
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: Let me buy that. Yeah, it's gonna be some kind

858
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: of like like, okay, let maybe there's something to this.

859
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: Do you feel that? Oh man? Yes? And uh, you

860
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: know you have. The first question you're asking was what

861
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: it What was it mean for you to to be

862
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: on a label? And I just didn't It's all every

863
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: day it's a good day. I'm not kidding though. I

864
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: mean every that that day we celebrated. I celebrate everything

865
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: right now. And that is amazing that that that I

866
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: woke up that day and you know, you play my

867
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: song one time and it does that and and yes, man,

868
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you work so hard on music

869
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: and you just think it's so good and and you

870
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: just then you produced and it's so awesome and then

871
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: he put out put it out there and you're like,

872
00:48:54,040 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: oh man, yeah, you know, the critics are paying and

873
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: using their criticizing with their money, and when they pay it,

874
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: then I criticized. And when they don't pay it they criticize, right,

875
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: and so now just to see I mean, we had

876
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: a sick first week when we blew it up and

877
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: it was awesome and and yeah, I mean it is

878
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: so it is so gratifying. Uh you know that people

879
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: and people liked it like they're liking it. I mean, hey,

880
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: another song too that I saw a track and I

881
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: was like, how can this song even be a song?

882
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: He's just about looking at the name of it. Oh,

883
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: I was like one of my Yeah, I was like,

884
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: he wrote a song about Halloween. And I remember because

885
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: I think it was on the second the set, but

886
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: how long was on the second age break the internet?

887
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: So Halloween? I was like, well, let me even see

888
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: what this song is about Halloween? Like what it was about?

889
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: The dude one like one of the deepest songs in

890
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: a beautiful way because that's like I get to take

891
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: off my costume around you're talking about your wife and

892
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: na na yo though mascot you have shouted like glass

893
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: on the phone, and it was like Halloween, it's all

894
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: the people opport rest in pies, rees, rees, so deep,

895
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: so good, all the people appetendies, besties, best depies. What's

896
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: it like playing that for your wife. Oh man, Uh

897
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: awesome because she's so numb. You know, love songs. In

898
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: twelve years, three or four pub deals, you write a

899
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: ton of love songs and you just you come home

900
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: and you're like, did I get you? Did it? Did

901
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: this one get you? And uh? None? None of them?

902
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: You know got her like this one because we dated

903
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: in high school and she knew that's what she meant

904
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: to me immediately, you know, right off the bat, I

905
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: was just a real insecure kid trying to fit in

906
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: and mobile, and then I met her and she just

907
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: saw the side of me that she really fell in

908
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: love with. And that's, yeah, one of her favorite songs

909
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: for sure. I like having sponsors are listening to we

910
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: started this thing. I mean, think anybody even gonna listen

911
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: like Mike d and uh this is no but this

912
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: is our equipment, Like this is just stuff that we

913
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: wrangled up and we started doing this little podcast and

914
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: we were talking to people like, for example, Kate Lets.

915
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: One of the first ones Caitlin. Right now, I was like, hey,

916
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: like come over the house because I'm gonna do this thing.

917
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: I wanna talk to artists, touch songwriters. And then now

918
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: we've got to sleep number sponsor and this thing. But so,

919
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's cool. It's cool. It's like, let me

920
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: ask you this. You put all your stuff out for free.

921
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: At first, well, who thought of that? Why was that

922
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: the plan? So that was thought of by my manager,

923
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: Rob Robert Carlton, and he's kind of famous now, but he, uh,

924
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, he heard my stuff and like we were

925
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: talking earlier, he heard those songs that I was building

926
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: in the shack and he said, you know, he ain't

927
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: gonna fit country radio right now, but these will build

928
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: a fan base. People will share these, they will love them,

929
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: they will connect to them. And so that's what we did.

930
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: We just started putting them out, started touring a little bit,

931
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: got a couple of opening slots you know, last year,

932
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: and places to go play them, got the loop, started

933
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: learning how to do that because just wanted them to

934
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: sound as close as I could to these tracks. And

935
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: that's why we started putting out free music. And it

936
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: was so exhilarating. It was so therapeutic for me. It

937
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: obviously made me a better writer. I feel like they

938
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: just keep getting better and better. I'm already working on

939
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: number three. I don't know where that lives, you know,

940
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: as far as label stuff goes, but they will let

941
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: me continue the eight tracks, and so I'm excited about those.

942
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: They'll just keep coming for me. I'm a huge fan

943
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: of you and the music that you write, and yeah, welcome,

944
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: shut up. I became a huge fan way early, like

945
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with it, and I would say on

946
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: the radio that it's like, what's the biggest albums a year?

947
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, you know, I'll played record from

948
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: Urban a lot, Maren and Walker Hays, and I was

949
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: now and how I mean it from the bottom of

950
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: the heart. And it wasn't like you and I were

951
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: talking every day. We were I don't even know if

952
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: we were talking. We were maybe exchange the text occasionally.

953
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: But I was just a fan, like I was just

954
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: a fan because I love people who try things that

955
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: aren't the same, even if they fall on their face,

956
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: Like I love people that take shots falling forward, it's

957
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: still it's still moving forward. And so one I like

958
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: the music and too, I enjoyed the fact that you

959
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: were trying something new, and so I would say that

960
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: stuff like magazine to do interviews, like would you let's

961
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: do most I love Dirk's album. I love the Walker

962
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: Hayes album, like it was just that's just fun because

963
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: it was the truth, like what's the most thing that

964
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: you playing? And so something that shook me a bit.

965
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: And I'm jaded and the first to admit it because

966
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: I've been doing this now and just in this capacity

967
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: for four years, and I've had Garth Brooks sit beside

968
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: me right and play, and I've had you name it's

969
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: it's it's great, and it never loses the fact that

970
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: it's great. But when when you eat Filet mignon every day,

971
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: it becomes kind of normal. So it's like I enjoy

972
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: it and I still appreciate it, but rarely the things

973
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: shake me. Occasionally, things like really, and I'm gonna tell you.

974
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: I get a message from one of my friends, she

975
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: works at my record label, and it's Mega Boardman, and

976
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: she says, uh, do you hear this song called Payne Walker?

977
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: Hey sent on the email. I was like, no, I'm

978
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: not on his email list. I'm not anybody's email us.

979
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know he had to email us, like I

980
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: just listened to the music. I was like, no, she goes,

981
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: you should probably hear it, and I was like, well,

982
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: send me the email. And so like I'm gonna tell

983
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: you eyeball to eyeball. I just sat in my car

984
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, to have someone in your such

985
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: a huge fan of like even mentioned you and that song.

986
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: I was like, this is like crazy in my life. Honestly,

987
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: it means the world for you to say that, because

988
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: when you put somebody in a song, you're like, are

989
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: they gonna hate? Like is this gonna suck for them?

990
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: Or it? Dude? It was. It was the weirdest thing

991
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: was it was a great I have trouble with emotion,

992
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: feeling at trouble letting myself feel emotion because I feel

993
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: like any good emotion is gonna be gone and any

994
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: good emotion has to be met with equal bad. So

995
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: I try not to have good emotion like it's a listen,

996
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm nuts, right, I had great emotion from the song

997
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: good that's me man, that's awesome and so and you

998
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: can't do this. This is online, but this is pain

999
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: from walk Aroay. There you go. Two thousand six seven

1000
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: something in the morning, I was driving when a dream

1001
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: come true came through my high the factory speakers and

1002
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: on me. Bobby Bones played a song and I wrote

1003
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: about lonely bedding fresh, it's one of my doctors. What

1004
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: you hear is how from from the broken in my Heart?

1005
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: What's about addiction, love lost and recovery? Trust me when

1006
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: we wrote it because I had to get it out

1007
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 1: of me for Nashville, not for readio, for nobody about

1008
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: me and maybe that trouble so pressing me wind wrestling

1009
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: demons like mine, looking for company in this design that

1010
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: doesn't really feel so grand all the time because she's

1011
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: so good, feels so grand all the time. I did

1012
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: because she is so good, Like I get chill bumps

1013
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: out listen to that song. So I guess I want

1014
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: to know about it because well, I never asked you

1015
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: about the song because I was kind of embarrassed to

1016
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: do it because I was like, dude, nothing, yeah, a

1017
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: little bit. I was embarrassed. So did you know I

1018
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: was gonna play your song that morning? Because I don't think.

1019
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: I don't tell anybody I'm gonna play their music. Well,

1020
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, when we've we've talked about this, Um, I

1021
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: just feel weird, you know, asking you know people to

1022
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: do that. You know, I honestly you know that that

1023
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: song is in that category of of a comedian uh

1024
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: Leadless Starr. You know, nobody asked me to write about that. Um,

1025
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: I just had to, you know, it was it was

1026
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: a special moment for me. I was out in the

1027
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, um picking up. Actually I had my

1028
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: loop worked on in close to Murfresboro, so I was

1029
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: just driving when you played Beer in the Fridge, and man,

1030
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: it just wasn't another one of those moments where you

1031
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: gotta pinch yourself and and I was like, I can't

1032
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: believe what is happening to me at that at this

1033
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: point in my life. You know, I got six kids

1034
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: I could barely feed, uh, you know a year ago

1035
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: and now, uh, my work tapes rocking on the radio,

1036
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, and Beer in the Fridge is a naked song.

1037
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the truth. There like three things on

1038
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: the track. Um, you know, so I'm here and Keith

1039
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: Urban blow it up and then all of a sudden,

1040
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: I here just you know it always and it just

1041
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: rocked me. Man. I mean, you know, I don't have

1042
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: a lot of I have a lot of those moments

1043
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: where I like pull over and cry. I mean, I

1044
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: freaking love music and it it has so much emotional

1045
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: power over me. But I have never felt like I

1046
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: did when I listened to that song. Uh, And so

1047
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: I had to write about that moment and everything that

1048
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: it made me think of. You know, how far my

1049
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: life had changed pretty quick, you know, And so I

1050
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: just blurted it all out in that song and you

1051
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: were obviously a part of that story. Um so thanks.

1052
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: It was a great business But honestly, like you said,

1053
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta tell you, there were moments where

1054
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if I want to

1055
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: release it. Like I was also like, do I just

1056
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: put a DJ? I don't know whether whether you would

1057
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: appreciate having your name and it or I was like,

1058
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna think this is just a business move. But honestly,

1059
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: I've rent you know. We're running by my team as

1060
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: I was creating this song, and they were like, man,

1061
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned Mike, that guy you worked with a costco,

1062
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: and you mentioned your wife and your kid and you

1063
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, the the song is honest about every detail.

1064
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: There's not one I've always We've always laughed because I'm like,

1065
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna ask about that song and be like can

1066
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: you can you tell me about it? And I'm just

1067
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: gonna be like well two thousand and sixteen. You know,

1068
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna recite this song because there's really nothing

1069
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: else to say. It's just the truth down to the

1070
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: Costco card in the freaking console. I believe you too,

1071
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: because one you didn't put it out like out out. Yeah,

1072
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: you sit out an email, it's still up there for

1073
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: you can't even like stream it. Yeah, you gotta get

1074
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: us nowhere. And you know, and I hope you eventually

1075
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: if you put it up, it's all good. And I

1076
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: don't believe in aybody at any time for any reason.

1077
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: I believe you because I just I don't believe you.

1078
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe anybody like you. Know how it is

1079
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: around here. When times are good, everybody's your friend. And

1080
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: when times aren't good and no I want anything to

1081
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 1: do with you. I do know that, man. And that's

1082
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: that's that's the nature of this beast. And so you've

1083
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: got to find the people. And this isn't just our business,

1084
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: this is like a life thing. You have to find

1085
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: the people that when times are on that stock market downtick,

1086
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: that are right by your side, and you keep them

1087
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: by your side when that stock market goes back up,

1088
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: because it's gonna go back down again. And so those

1089
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: are the people just ride. They just ride, let them

1090
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: ride with you, and you ride with them. And that's

1091
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: how you find the people, like the people that are

1092
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: with you when it's down, or the people that you

1093
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: just keep on surrounding yourself. Right, and there's like a

1094
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: few and that's it. I know, we had this whole

1095
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: conversation like off Mike days ago. But yeah, it's weird,

1096
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: it's been cool. It's been cool get to know you

1097
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: because again, I'm just a huge fan and that's why

1098
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: I went. And I was like, I was doing this

1099
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: whole stand up comedy tour and you know, I can

1100
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: ask whoever I want to open, and I was like, man,

1101
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,919
Speaker 1: I would love to freakin Walker Hayes come out because

1102
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,479
Speaker 1: I just want to watch a Blay like no other reason,

1103
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: Like I just want Walker to come out. And then

1104
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of all this to see like you popping,

1105
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: like just popping. Is it now where you're starting to

1106
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: be cool and people are now coming out going, hey,

1107
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: cool guy, you wanna work together? Oh yeah, I bet

1108
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: that happens. And you know what, that's okay, Yeah, because

1109
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna trust so far as you can throw them,

1110
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: but you can still use each other for for whatever

1111
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: advantage you're working together. Yeah, and that's you know, I'm

1112
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: ashamed to say this, but I'm sure I've done that

1113
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: to somebody in this town, you know. And I try

1114
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: to remember that that we're all capable of that and um,

1115
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean a lot of people are definitely

1116
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: coming out of the woodwork. Um. And that's tough, you know,

1117
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: sometimes it's tough to accept that you need the people

1118
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: coming out of the woodwork, though. Is its exactly you

1119
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: need them. It's just used them for what they're there

1120
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: to be used for. Yeah, that they're not the people

1121
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: that are completely down, but they're down for what you

1122
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: need them for, and you're down for what you need

1123
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: them for. Just remember I didn't come out of the woodwork.

1124
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: I was ware. I was like, I was like hiding

1125
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: in the woods. I was waiting, like I was up

1126
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: in a tree looking down. I was like, you see walker,

1127
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's been good. I hope you enjoyed like

1128
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: hanging and talking. No, I dide, man, thank thanks for

1129
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: having me like I've been on a couch. Dude. It

1130
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: is like it's therapeutic. Here's a little something. This is

1131
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: called walker singing to the Duggers. Would you like to

1132
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: tuck to us? Oh? My gosh, singing to the duggers?

1133
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: You tell me from the show. You tell me what

1134
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: this is? Hey, guys, Hey, how's it going? You guys

1135
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: like music? No way you want? You gotta say you

1136
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: have the episode? Yeah, so go ahead and tell me

1137
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: before I play what exactly? Okay? So this is uh

1138
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: s is when Derek and Jill I think is her

1139
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: name got engaged and how did you end up on

1140
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,959
Speaker 1: this show? Okay? So there The producer of the show

1141
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: lives near me and called me one day on the porch.

1142
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: He didn't hear yeah, you heard me on the back

1143
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: porch now he actually. Man, he was just like, we're

1144
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: thinking about doing this segment. If you can give us

1145
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: a song, I can convince the network that they need

1146
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,959
Speaker 1: to do this. And I say, man, tell me about

1147
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: their love story. He was like, it's really cool. They

1148
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: went all the way to Catman Do but they lived

1149
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, super close, but went all the way to

1150
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: another country and met each other. So I just wrote

1151
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: this song and uh, he was like, boom, that's perfect

1152
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,919
Speaker 1: for their uh engagement. Here we go, Hey, guys, Hey,

1153
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: how's it going. You guys like music? You got a second?

1154
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: I got a song that reminded me music. Hey, that'd

1155
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: be great. Will you go up about thirty show minutes

1156
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: down the street. But we had to go eight thousand

1157
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: miles away to me. I'm not sure what the Lord

1158
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: was thinking taking us all the way to cat Man Do,

1159
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: but I know he was thinking of me when he

1160
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: made you so and as beautiful as that is, the

1161
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: acting is horrendous. First of all, has anyone ever in

1162
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: the history of questions answered the word no till you do? Like, Hey,

1163
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: do you like music? It's a safe question? Nah, not really?

1164
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: All right man, Hey do you like food? No? And

1165
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: they just listen to the acting here, Uh yeah, what's up?

1166
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: Even the Hey guys, it's pretty bad. You're just like sting. Hey, guys, Hey,

1167
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: how's it going? God? This is awful. The acting. Nobody

1168
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: wrote a script. I remember meeting with him and I

1169
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: talked to him because he knew he was in on it.

1170
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: It's just I would hope. Yeah, uh man, we botched

1171
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: it big time. But she was still, Hey, how's it going.

1172
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: You guys like music? She's like, yeah, I do, Yeah,

1173
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: I do. How lucky because of all the people in

1174
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: the world, they both liked music, and you're lucky that

1175
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: they both did. Man, it was a dude. I'm no,

1176
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm no actor. Come on, hey man, music uh? And

1177
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: I haven't been written a song about your whole life? Yeah?

1178
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: Do you have a second to stop for me? While

1179
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: I played this whole song I read about your life.

1180
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: This is totally random. By the way, do you like music.

1181
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: I've I've actually auditioned for some stuff and failed big time.

1182
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 1: I mean, acting is talk about putting your guard down.

1183
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's a scary thing, kind of like your

1184
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: comedy thing. We were talking about before we and out,

1185
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: and I was asking you if you're a friend, it's

1186
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: all vulnerable. It's all vulnerable. Music, vulnerable, comedy, vulnerable acting,

1187
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: it's all. If you're creative, you are vulnerable because people

1188
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: are choosing if they like or don't like what you're doing,

1189
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: and you need them to do that. That's vulnerable. You

1190
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: need someone to like or not like you. Hopefully they

1191
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: like you. But you don't create so people don't care.

1192
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: You create so hopefully people care, and then when they don't,

1193
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: you realize I didn't create good enough or or at

1194
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: the time, I didn't create good enough. So just as

1195
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: you get up and you sing songs about your life,

1196
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: they're very vulnerable. I get up and I tell stories,

1197
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: and the entire light, the entire room is focused on

1198
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: my mouth hoole, And that's it. But I mean, really

1199
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: that's it. But I thrive off that the same way

1200
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: that you're doing writing music. I thrive off of just

1201
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: and again it comes back to just being like needing

1202
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: that love too, like that that's that's finding love for me.

1203
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: I go out, I need that. I need that up,

1204
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: so I fight for it. Have terrible relationships. God, I'm terrible.

1205
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. No, I don't think

1206
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: so it's not No, it's not in the moment. All

1207
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: right now, this is not a Bob. This is not

1208
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: a Bobby Bobby casts a Walker podcast, all right, So

1209
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: download you broke up with me? It's only saw Him

1210
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: that you can download right now that. Yeah, we need

1211
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: to do somebody making you watch good listen to see me.

1212
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: But hey, you broke up with me. It what can

1213
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: I say? You broke up? So Walker, depending on when

1214
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: you hear this, will be out on the road with

1215
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: me until May. Walker hayes dot Com website to um

1216
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: whenever What's Fun is on on tour Nikita car when

1217
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: it comes down and sings Halloween like you is it?

1218
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: Like she's so good, right, and like nobody even knows

1219
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: about her really yet that's weird. She's so because she's

1220
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: so good. But they're going to you know, and I'm

1221
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: gonna pull her once and you know she I just

1222
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: met her on Skype and was like, you gotta move

1223
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,560
Speaker 1: to the States. Oh yeah, I didn't know that. I

1224
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: didn't know your story. I don't know. Oh yeah, yeah.

1225
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: We were just looking for someone, like I needed a

1226
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: girl in the band so I could like write funny

1227
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: stuff from a girl perspective women, And so I went

1228
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: through and I she couldn't find anybody. So I gave

1229
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: up and for I was like, hey you should. They're

1230
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: just going Australia. She's not trying to get to the

1231
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: States and be a singer songwright over here, but she

1232
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: plays some pubs and I was like okay. So I

1233
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: had skyped with her and thinks like ten am. I

1234
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 1: was like, hey, can you hear your guitar in the office,

1235
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: And she wouldn't got her guitar skyped with like an

1236
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: hour later, and she played on skype. That's the only

1237
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 1: time I ever said, ever seen. And I was like,

1238
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, you're you're so good. She's like, oh,

1239
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. And I was can you

1240
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: get on a plane in the year in three days?

1241
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: And she got on a plane quarter job, moved here.

1242
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: I didn't have any murder of love. She lived with

1243
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: me for like two and a half months or so

1244
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: and so, and I was just like, you just just

1245
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: right right. She's just writing. She got a publishing deal.

1246
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: She you know what you know. But she's so good. Yeah,

1247
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: that song first, and people will find her. I wonder

1248
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: if I fay we're talking with me she's sick. She

1249
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: uh yeah, she's like two ft tall. Here we go,

1250
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: Nikita Karmen. This is the first a place with this.

1251
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: I didn't cry when he said I'm not the one

1252
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: because I ain't want to come undone. My head up

1253
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: high and bit my tongue, let the good fast and

1254
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 1: liked us, couldn't stop thinking about to us, and heartbreaks

1255
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: hard to rise a bud. I take the high road,

1256
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: and I'll keep my cook bread as soon won't be

1257
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: thinking about you First, let me tell my friend, she's

1258
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: not that pretty. You don't look yeah for sappy as

1259
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: you do with me. She's wearing that trendy Tom Petty

1260
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: t shirt. Stop being petty about your American girl. First

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Speaker 1: than he was my week's wage on tequila Christen and

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Speaker 1: a lipstick on the bath through the mirror and damn

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Speaker 1: going away a field just fine. I just gotta go

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Speaker 1: a little out of my mind first. I gotta say, like,

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Speaker 1: I know you talk about she like calls that a

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Speaker 1: EP or she's just like just relea. Those are all work.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. I believe if you were

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01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: to do that whole play thing, that joker would jump

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01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: off the chart. I mean that song reminds me of

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Speaker 1: like something Lord, the royal personal person. You know what

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, she's legitimately like fantastic. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: over here. It's like other artists you may know if

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Speaker 1: it's her. Ready for the list? Walk ahead, Lindsay l

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Speaker 1: my girlfriend Slash our roommate now Brandon Ray, who is

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Speaker 1: like they're one of the greatest, and like that's another

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Speaker 1: you can sing his brains off. The raging idiots. Caitlyn Smith,

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Speaker 1: Natalie Himby, that's her people you may know. Yeah, Walker,

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Speaker 1: good luck, man, dude, thank you. I need it. I'm

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Speaker 1: enjoying this. Appreciate you have me. Man, this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Relaxing the chair, it is I don't want to get up.

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Speaker 1: He walked in the house and like, this is where

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Speaker 1: you live. And you know what, though, seriously, you need

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01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: to let somebody do a Bobby cast on you. I

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01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: do that every morning. It's told the Boy Show. But

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Speaker 1: you need somebody. I wrote a book. You need someone

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Speaker 1: to ask no questions about uh personal stuff Like Amy

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Speaker 1: kind of did a bit, right, I mean, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: don with Amy, she did a bit. But I wrote

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Speaker 1: a book. Good. I'm good. I got yeah second one.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about that maybe yeah, but yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 1: Life's good for me. I'm the thing about me. It's

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Speaker 1: about Walker. I'm a huge fan, like die hard fan,

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Speaker 1: like as legitimately as possible. And I kept you from

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Speaker 1: this for a while because it was like everybody was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, enough for Walker ahead talking about Walker Hayes,

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Speaker 1: like you just wait. I have a tweet that I

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Speaker 1: say from like seven months ago that was like in

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Speaker 1: a year. But it's gonna be like, why did I

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Speaker 1: sleep on Walker Hays? I save that tweet. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: show everybody one day and be like I told you

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Speaker 1: good to see you man. Thanks. All right, Walker Hay's

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Speaker 1: download anything he puts out. I demand it. Alright, good, alright, Mike,

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Speaker 1: we're out. What episode was this thirty six six? Al right?

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Speaker 1: Walker Hayes at Walker Hayes right dot com. H y

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Speaker 1: E s walk from on Instagram. Yeah at walker heads

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter at Walker Hays dot com. Uh,

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01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: he's out with me doing all the music and I

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Speaker 1: do with jokes until may have you announced the other

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Speaker 1: thing yet? Don't know? Okay, so then in my other

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Speaker 1: stuff coming down, other stuff coming for us. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you uh soon. Bye, buddy. You can hear

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Speaker 1: only keep a suff singing in the backup forgot to

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Speaker 1: turn her part down anyway, by it