WEBVTT - The Flying Forger: Bad Bobby Baudin

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey what's up? Hi? Smile making my day brighter?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. I'm making my day brighter too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm all about me. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Girl? Do I judge in Colorado determined that elephants are

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<v Speaker 2>not people? No? Yeah, they did, like a whole rational

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<v Speaker 2>thing all by themselves. They're like, wait, let me feel

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<v Speaker 2>this around. Not a person, not a person. Still, not

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<v Speaker 2>a person, keep going No. So it was actually a

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<v Speaker 2>much more serious thing than that. There was these five elephants,

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<v Speaker 2>African elephants stuck in Colorado, Missy Kimba, Lulu, Jambo and

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<v Speaker 2>Lucky right. Yeah, and they were at the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and rough apparently rough business a bunch of animal rights activists.

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<v Speaker 2>They took the zoo to court and they cited a

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<v Speaker 2>legal process one you probably know better than I habeas

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<v Speaker 2>corpus Latin for have the body. They're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were basically protesting. They wanted to challenge the

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<v Speaker 2>detention in court, yeah, you know. And they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>move the elephants to a sanctuary.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because an African elephant probably shouldn't be in rockies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally in the rockies, all of that in the

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<v Speaker 2>how do we even say in the zoo? Like I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of I'm a big believer because elephants they

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<v Speaker 2>experienced menopause, you know, like, what is it? Toothed whales,

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<v Speaker 2>killer whales, chimpanzees, elephants And if you do that, I

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<v Speaker 2>think if you experienced menopause, you should not have to

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<v Speaker 2>be in a zoo. It's a sign of intelligence. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a physical I'm saying, is it's a way. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the whole idea of the theory, is that if you

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<v Speaker 2>impart all that, sure, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just believe in let wild be wild?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, definitely definitely phrase. So my point is is

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<v Speaker 2>that the State Supreme Court Justice Marie and Birkin counter

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<v Speaker 2>She ruled that it bears noting that the narrow legal

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<v Speaker 2>question before this court does not turn on her regard

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<v Speaker 2>for the three majestic animals generally or these five elephants specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>but rather it comes down to quote, whether an elephant

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<v Speaker 2>is a person, which clearly they are not. So they

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<v Speaker 2>cannot run their thing, which is I mean, it has worked,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a legal thing the Colombia. Down in Columbia,

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<v Speaker 2>cocaine hippos. They tried to run that saying that they

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<v Speaker 2>were people so they could have rights, not to be euthanized,

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<v Speaker 2>sterilized and all that. And they try to make rivers

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<v Speaker 2>people down in Australia. We can't even make elephants people.

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<v Speaker 2>When are we going to get civilized in this country?

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<v Speaker 3>Why can't we deputize the orcas get.

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<v Speaker 2>Them to free us? There you go, isn't that ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>This is ridiculous? So do you want to know what

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<v Speaker 3>else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I was praying you got something good.

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<v Speaker 3>For me protesting via plane?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is ridiculous. Crime A podcast about absurd and

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<v Speaker 3>outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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<v Speaker 3>murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you don't heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>So world's a little rough right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of rocky and Sandy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's uncertain a little stressful for me. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>there are people out there who are loving it and okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you know whatever, But you know, for me, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>handle stress.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a low key person. I like calm yes, I

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<v Speaker 3>like cozy.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't like disturbances like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, you like action and getting wild right all right? Chaos, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you do like chaos, And when it comes to making

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<v Speaker 3>a statement, I like to manipulate from behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally, totally all chas. I don't want to be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I root for anything of like destructive. I don't mean that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm an agent of chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>So I like watching you work, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is manipulate behind this scenes to cause chaos for others.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally entertainment. I love.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my specialty, gentle manipulation. But that's the time when

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<v Speaker 3>it beens like.

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<v Speaker 2>At a waffle bar in an embassy suit. Yes exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the mostly gentle manipulation for the benefit of others,

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<v Speaker 3>benefit of all.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a good heart.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I try not to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>For my spread. You're chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a team player. I would imagine that you like loud,

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<v Speaker 3>upfront statements, big gestures.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh not necessarily. I like well made They can be succinct,

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<v Speaker 2>they can be even a hand gesture, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. I just like something that's effective and efficient.

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<v Speaker 3>It can't be mistaken.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I want to be clear I want the intention

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<v Speaker 2>and the message to be clear.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you're also someone who does nothing for your

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<v Speaker 3>own gain. You always do stuff for others. I've noticed that,

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<v Speaker 3>hats off. It's unusual. A lot of people are self serving,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's when statements become stunts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, pelicity stunts, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And selfish. This that impacts others. So you see where

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going with this. I you see, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you about a guy who's loud and brash and

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<v Speaker 3>crafty and crooked and stay with me. Stop stop giving

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<v Speaker 3>me the cut hand signal. He was often called Zany

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<v Speaker 3>in the press. He was part Emeric, part Tommy fits See.

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<v Speaker 3>I pulled it up before crashing. Tree Top Flyer song

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<v Speaker 3>by Stephen Still, I've mentioned it before. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that song total.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I described like just barely making a deadline

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<v Speaker 3>or getting something to fall in place.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time you say that to me, they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you tree top flyer. It gives me this soul delight.

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<v Speaker 3>Tree top flying. This dude I want to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you about is also a tree top flyer. So not

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<v Speaker 3>in the sense of like a Vietnam vet who flew

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<v Speaker 3>planes full of drugs. Out of the jungle.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that kind.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not a literal. He's more of a building top flyer.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get into that later. So who is this Zaney fellow?

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<v Speaker 2>Who Elizabeth? Is this Zaney fellow?

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<v Speaker 3>I can answer that. His name Robert Boden.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know his name.

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<v Speaker 3>And the thing is like, if he were using it

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<v Speaker 3>in the French, it would be Bodon, but it's Boden.

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<v Speaker 2>Baud i m B A U D. Night.

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<v Speaker 3>Some called him the flying Forger.

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<v Speaker 2>What.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll get into that. Yes, so he's from New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 3>was born in nineteen eighteen. Yeah, exactly. His dad was

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<v Speaker 3>a French professor at NYU. Okay, but not like the

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<v Speaker 3>rich professor of movies and TV shows, like he was

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<v Speaker 3>like a real professor.

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<v Speaker 2>Living elbow style.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so you know, I like to set the

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<v Speaker 3>stage there and give you a sense of the bands.

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<v Speaker 3>Nineteen eighteen East Orange, New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, is that the East Egg West Egg from

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<v Speaker 2>Fitzgerald East Orange and West Orange is a parallel? No, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's different.

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<v Speaker 3>This is New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>That's long Island, I know, but I mean I just

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<v Speaker 2>wonder called Guyland.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So, like like some of the other bad guys

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<v Speaker 3>we've talked about. He got into criming early, and he

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<v Speaker 3>just he wasn't born into a crime family. It was

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<v Speaker 3>just in him. And so he did have some trauma

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<v Speaker 3>as a young teen. Nothing I want to discuss here,

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<v Speaker 3>but it may have influenced some of his behavior. Who's

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<v Speaker 3>to say, witness or participants either way. As a teen

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<v Speaker 3>he started forging checks and he got really good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Him.

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<v Speaker 3>What did he do with the money?

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<v Speaker 2>What did he do with the money? Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 3>Good question. He went to brothels.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he was a teen. Yeah, he was with

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<v Speaker 2>fast money.

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<v Speaker 3>He's doing real crime, right, like fake checks, prostitutes and

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<v Speaker 3>and it went from there. He was a thief, con man,

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<v Speaker 3>a teen cons contint he was a continent. So he

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<v Speaker 3>stole from his dad's work a k A N y U.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. So he wasn't like robbing the payroll at the

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<v Speaker 2>construction site. He was robbing in the university whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, books, pens, paper chairs, those greade books. No,

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<v Speaker 3>he was a shoplifter to in essence, he had no

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<v Speaker 3>regard for the law.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like, I mean, I'm getting that from.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, and that's a weird thing to me, as someone

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<v Speaker 3>who's pretty low regard for the law, like I'm law

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<v Speaker 3>abiding to a fault, like you believe in the real.

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<v Speaker 2>Meaning of it, which is, if we do this, we

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<v Speaker 2>can all live together.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, right, exactly, Like I can't fathom flouting the law

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<v Speaker 3>and just moving through the world with no fear of

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<v Speaker 3>repercussions either. I fear repercussions. I don't want to go

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<v Speaker 3>to jail. I don't want to pay a fine. And

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<v Speaker 3>like you were saying, like laws were crafted for.

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<v Speaker 2>A reason initially to me.

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<v Speaker 3>If I break the social fabric, can just ignore the law.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm crapping on the whole operation, not to mention the

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<v Speaker 3>social contract, permanent record.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you worry about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we live in a society and all that. So

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<v Speaker 3>not Robert.

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<v Speaker 2>Bowden, right, no, no, not.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad bodies didn't hair not tethered, you know, to convention

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<v Speaker 3>or when the Great Depression hit, he hit the road.

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<v Speaker 3>He's had enough in New Jersey. He made his way

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<v Speaker 3>west where San Francisco. Oh snap, God bless. So he

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<v Speaker 3>hopped trains to get out here, and then he stole

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<v Speaker 3>and he begged in order to make it out here.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like some sort of crusty punk I could

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<v Speaker 3>see that spare some change.

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<v Speaker 2>He wore crusty punk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He gets to the city. That's what we call

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<v Speaker 3>it here, the city. And he pulled cons like buying

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<v Speaker 3>cheap paste, jewelry or watches and passing him off is

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<v Speaker 3>the good stuff at a steep price. He even sold

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<v Speaker 3>his body, and not in the blue collar worker.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, oh, the hustler way.

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<v Speaker 3>The hustler he didn't care. It was like, whatever whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it took to make a buck or stay alive, he'd

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<v Speaker 3>do it. So after a while he tried, he joined

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<v Speaker 3>the merchant marine. H he was a merchant Ahoy, merchant mariner.

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<v Speaker 3>So was my great grandpa for a time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good guys, and all.

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<v Speaker 3>These cornerman Bandini Brown he was one.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>David mammontt really, James Garner your man.

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<v Speaker 2>I love James. These are all like the man at throw,

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<v Speaker 2>Denver Pyle, really Uncle Jesse from the Dukes that Have.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Sir Jim Thorpe, Oh why god? All American Jenny Cathree,

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<v Speaker 3>what the heck? All the cool I got to get

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<v Speaker 3>into that become a merchant American?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got what's wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, you know they're working on ships transporting domestic

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<v Speaker 3>and an international cargo and passengers, a lot of international waters.

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<v Speaker 2>During peacetime totally.

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<v Speaker 3>And then if war breaks out, they become part of

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<v Speaker 3>the navy and they move personnel and.

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<v Speaker 2>Supplies and yeah, supply line stuff. Remember how like some

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<v Speaker 2>of the smuggling that the Navy needs done but doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have.

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<v Speaker 3>On their exactly so because there's civilians. Remember how I

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<v Speaker 3>told you about Shanghai, Kelly that, Yeah, totally, I love

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<v Speaker 3>that story. San Francisco, fella, he would you know, bunk sailors.

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<v Speaker 2>On the hedge, give us the term Shanghai.

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<v Speaker 3>Ship him off to shang slaver well bowden self Shanghai.

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<v Speaker 2>See did he hit himself in the head. He slipped

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<v Speaker 2>himself on Mickey the head He dropped himself down to shoot.

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco got too hot for him, and like he's

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<v Speaker 3>criming all over the place, and he was worried that

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<v Speaker 3>it was going to all catch up with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I got you. So he signed on.

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<v Speaker 3>So he set sail for Shanghai.

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<v Speaker 2>Picture him drop himself down the shot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, off he goes. And so when he got to Shanghai,

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<v Speaker 3>he joined up with the China Shanghai Constabulary.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, became a cop over there, the cop.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so this is sometime in the thirties. That meant

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<v Speaker 3>that he was given.

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<v Speaker 2>Some rough characters. They're basically correctional office.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. What meant that he was there probably just before

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<v Speaker 3>or during the Japanese invasion. That was nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 3>and so at that time, Shanghai was the world's largest city. Really, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>things got bad there, got the organization, and the city's

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<v Speaker 3>criminal underworld just thrived in that oppression and chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>He really earned its name.

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<v Speaker 3>What happens and so you know what happens when you

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<v Speaker 3>mix Bowden with.

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<v Speaker 2>Crime a spark stars.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's still a cop. So he's running scams and

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<v Speaker 3>he's dealing with shady characters, and just like in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 3>he knew he had to skid out all because the

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<v Speaker 3>block was getting hottians. Well, I think once more off

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<v Speaker 3>he went. So he went from Shanghai to Hong Kong.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, so he's like, oh, let me keep the action going.

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<v Speaker 2>Though I like working with these brids too.

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<v Speaker 3>It's working for him. And at the time that he

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<v Speaker 3>was there, the economy wasn't so hot, which means crime,

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<v Speaker 3>so He pulled scams there and then theft and that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing, and then got a little too much

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<v Speaker 3>for him. He's thinking, like they're going, they're on to me.

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<v Speaker 3>So then he goes to Rangoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow once again, right, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>The yeah, present day yang Gun and Yonmar. So it

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<v Speaker 3>was at the center of the Burmese independence movement and

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<v Speaker 3>the hero and the heroin trick, lots of student protesters

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<v Speaker 3>and so times of tumult, they bring great change and crime,

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<v Speaker 3>and he crimed it up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know he did?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know who was born in yang Gun?

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<v Speaker 2>My friend Steve, Yeah, Nick Drake.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Drake really was English singer songwriter Pink Moon and

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<v Speaker 3>all that. His parents met there in nineteen thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Four the part of the Foreign Office.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they were maybe they ran into Bowden while there.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows, not I not I either.

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<v Speaker 3>So things get hot and Rangoon deep fried. And then

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<v Speaker 3>he went to Delhi and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what he did there, Delli knew Delhi, which Dellwi

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<v Speaker 2>just DELI.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what he did there?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. He committed Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he committed crimes. So things are getting tense though

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<v Speaker 3>World War twos on ther and he can see it

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<v Speaker 3>bubbling up.

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<v Speaker 2>Where he is in the east, terrible horizon.

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<v Speaker 3>He knew it was time to head home. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>he made his way back to the States, this time

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<v Speaker 3>to Los Angeles, LA. In the early forties.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, he's just going from crime spot to

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<v Speaker 2>crime spot. Mickey Cohen.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you got scammers, thievesamers, today, suckers, hustlers, merchant he's

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<v Speaker 3>on American soil. Yes, when the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor,

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<v Speaker 3>we made our way into World War two, there was

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<v Speaker 3>the draft. Yeah, and it had Bowden's name on it.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't serve how you say, Well, he said he

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<v Speaker 3>was he was too crazy, held insanity. You don't hear

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<v Speaker 3>that much, No, you really don't. Like most people are.

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<v Speaker 2>Like about in Vietnam, Like the real hardcore draft dodgers

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<v Speaker 2>would get like a candy bar and then like inserted

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<v Speaker 2>their body and then go in and plead insanity by

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<v Speaker 2>then eating eating it. Yeah yeah, in the draft room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, no, I don't know. Maybe he did that.

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<v Speaker 3>So he had to do something nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, no one did that World War two, that was

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<v Speaker 2>in but he did.

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<v Speaker 3>He's liked, you're too crazy for this, But so he

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<v Speaker 3>has to do something. He learns photography.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh do you have a good eye?

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy as you like learning photography in nineteen forties, La.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, get out of here. All the people

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be working around, Like, imagine who's walking into that

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<v Speaker 2>camera shop man Ray exactly, so.

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<v Speaker 3>About it. He just couldn't learn a trade or a

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<v Speaker 3>craft though he wants. There's always that rascally voice whispering

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<v Speaker 3>in his ear.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell with this steal something, do some crime con down?

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<v Speaker 3>So he did. He did the crack. I feel like

0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.960
<v Speaker 3>criminals like him, they're always looking for an angle, So like,

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<v Speaker 3>how can they use a tool or a situation or

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<v Speaker 3>a skill to do bad?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like kind of like how do you leverage values?

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<v Speaker 2>Not even like to use this, it's just like how

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<v Speaker 2>do I what do I gotta do to flick that

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<v Speaker 2>my way?

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<v Speaker 3>And he just couldn't help himself. So towards the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the war he gets into counterfeiting and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot more work than I would expect from it.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a lot of stuff to counterfeit at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>namely ration tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, red and blues.

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<v Speaker 3>And the one that he focused on were the gas tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's super smart.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure people are fighting. I listen old radio shows. They

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<v Speaker 2>go nuts on those gas.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think people these days understand what the

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<v Speaker 3>rationing was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh please, can you explain.

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<v Speaker 3>That community effort to sacrifice for now at that moment,

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<v Speaker 3>in the present, for safety and the greater good down

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<v Speaker 3>the road was just so strong, and this selflessness was incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're buying war bonds, they've got their liberty garden,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're willing to deny themselves. Butter melt make.

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<v Speaker 3>A sacrifice for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>But the boys overseas they can use had to grease

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<v Speaker 2>the tank axle.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I wasn't there, of course, but I heard from

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<v Speaker 3>my grandparents what it was like, and I've read and

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<v Speaker 3>watched an incredible amount about rationing in the bridge. They

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<v Speaker 3>didn't mess around. They had ten years post war.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, because you can hear that Keith Richards

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike talking about that. They're like, oh yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see like good bread Clovest thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, totally. In the US, here's what was ration,

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<v Speaker 3>among other things, sugar, coffee, meat, canned fish, cheese, ketchup shoes,

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<v Speaker 3>bobby pins because of the metal, metal, tinfoil, whiskey, chewing gum, nylons.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't make any cars for two years, yes, cigarettes cars,

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<v Speaker 2>Every charactery was just making bombers or whatever else.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, then gasolines ration, so you could only get

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<v Speaker 3>a certain amount per week unless you knew Robert Bowden,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Bobby So like most of those who trafficked in

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<v Speaker 3>black market goods and like phony ration tickets during he

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<v Speaker 3>got bussed. So it was such an affront to those

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<v Speaker 3>fighting to get rid of the Nazis, Like you couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>have luxury, sure, but it meant that fascists would be

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<v Speaker 3>snubbed out. And it was a sacrifice that most were

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<v Speaker 3>willing to make, and it you know, it paid off,

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<v Speaker 3>as smart folks today say, to keep that traditional life

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<v Speaker 3>see Nazi punch a nazis exactly that's what you do.

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<v Speaker 3>So at the tail end of World War Two, Boden

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<v Speaker 3>gets caught, he's charged.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, when they're trying to get after the war profiteers

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<v Speaker 2>and people like that, there's this anger that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying. Yeah, like you might as well be,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's getting thrown in with a much bigger group too,

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<v Speaker 2>so people are really god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he's convicted. He sentenced to eight months hard

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<v Speaker 3>labor in a prison. Yeah, well on a farm. He

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<v Speaker 3>break that he used that ruse that got him out

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<v Speaker 3>of the draft and played mentally ill again.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes back to which then they said, check my record.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they sent him to a psychiatric hospital. Honestly, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not sure which is worse. I think i'd choose backbreaking

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<v Speaker 3>work on the farm. But anyway, let's pause.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to keep up the ruse.

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<v Speaker 3>No, let's listen to some ads, uncurated ads, and when

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<v Speaker 3>we get back, we'll continue to follow the misadventures of

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<v Speaker 3>Robert Boden. Yeah, zaren So when we left off, Robert

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<v Speaker 3>Bowden in veteric criminal. He was doing time in a

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<v Speaker 3>mental hospital for printing fake gas ration cards and he

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<v Speaker 3>was only he was only sentenced to eight months, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think they probably needed an empty bed, so he

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<v Speaker 3>was paroled. Let it go. He had a choice. He

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<v Speaker 3>could get out and get a job, or he could

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<v Speaker 3>keep being a criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>So duh. Yeah, he's got a tough decision, as you

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<v Speaker 2>can see.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's out of the clink. He's just a drift.

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<v Speaker 3>He's hanging out in San Francisco, once again doing petty crime.

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<v Speaker 3>One day, he has a meeting with his probation officer,

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<v Speaker 3>and instead of going to said meeting, he headed for

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<v Speaker 3>the docks and it was there that he tossed his

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<v Speaker 3>probation papers into San Francisco Bay and boarded a ship

0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.040
<v Speaker 3>bound for Sydney, Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope floats, but not those papers. Australia, Australia, Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, nineteen forty eight, Sydney's booming.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Population was growing exponentially thanks to a ton of immigrants,

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<v Speaker 3>mostly Brits and post war baby boom.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>So there were tons of jobs too. It was the

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<v Speaker 3>time to be there, and there he was. Boden was

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<v Speaker 3>so to the public. He's just this yank setting up

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<v Speaker 3>an aerial photography.

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<v Speaker 2>He talks funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So he meets and Mary's this really nice country

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<v Speaker 3>girl named Betty, and they moved to a suburb of

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney called Bowmain.

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<v Speaker 2>Betty and Bobby Bowden and Bowmain.

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<v Speaker 3>There it is. He didn't have a camera or a plane,

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<v Speaker 3>but he did have a dream and he figured out

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<v Speaker 3>a way to achieve. Remember, he was trained as a

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<v Speaker 3>photographer and at some point he learned how to fly

0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.320
<v Speaker 3>a plane and he used his photographer skills to make

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.720
<v Speaker 3>fake gas ration chips. So the fire was in him.

0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Had to move those pieces around differently.

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<v Speaker 3>He discovered a little loopholes what he did. It's illegal

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<v Speaker 3>to print at the time. It's illegal to print your

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<v Speaker 3>own Australian money when you're in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's still a rule.

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<v Speaker 3>But back then it wasn't illegal to print American dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, you could just go nuts. We don't care our money.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So he tried to make some Australian dollars anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>but the deal that he had for this, the deal

0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:45.199
<v Speaker 3>fell through for the Australian dollars, so he burned almost

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<v Speaker 3>all of it. And he's but he's in this suburban

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<v Speaker 3>house and he sets up shop for his real job,

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<v Speaker 3>not aerial photography, a secret counterfeit printing setup. So he

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<v Speaker 3>ran a printing press in his basement. Sure, and it

0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.440
<v Speaker 3>was there that he printed up twenties hundreds, how many

0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:05.359
<v Speaker 3>twenties and hundreds?

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<v Speaker 2>How many twenties hundred of elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Two million dollars, I guess a lot. That's thirty one

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<v Speaker 3>million Australian dollars today, which is almost like nineteen and

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<v Speaker 3>a half million US dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a lot of bills, I mean, just a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of printing. Yeah, my elbow hurt. Imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know he's this hard worker. He hasn't give

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<v Speaker 3>no attention to detail.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd crumple up the bills and he'd soak them in

0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.879
<v Speaker 3>watered down glycerine to age them appropriately so that they'd

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<v Speaker 3>be accepted. And he starts out doing this by hand,

0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.359
<v Speaker 3>but then he's got so many he had to like

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<v Speaker 3>get a dedicated washing machine to do that.

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.920
<v Speaker 2>We know if he's starting with all like pre made

0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 2>bills like a one dollar in printing.

0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:46.359
<v Speaker 3>Because he's the photographer who would take a picture and

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<v Speaker 3>then use that so to.

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<v Speaker 2>Make his plates. And I'm saying what he's printing on

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<v Speaker 2>is he printing on fresh paper? Okay, it's all the idea.

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.800
<v Speaker 2>People use smaller bills like a one or a five

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<v Speaker 2>print much bigger bills.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm going to guess it's fresh paper because he's aged.

0:22:58.440 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was guessing.

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is what he said. Quote working on the

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.199
<v Speaker 3>tracing material was sheer joy. And since President Jackson's portrait

0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 3>seemed the hardest part, I tackled it first. I had

0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 3>a little trouble with his nose and eyes. I indulged

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.800
<v Speaker 3>in a few departures from government engraving to bring him

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:15.640
<v Speaker 3>back to normal.

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>So they don't want so much that hawk mean face.

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Wanted to soften it out. He photoshopped him, so he

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 3>moved a small amount of the fake bills in places

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.840
<v Speaker 3>like mom and pop shops or newsstands, drug stores, and

0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I guess I think the US dollar was accepted everywhere.

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:35.720
<v Speaker 3>He pulled in Emeric, those.

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Military guys everywhere, so people are taking back in Germany

0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and anywhere that you have like the Marshall Plan guys.

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:43.879
<v Speaker 2>And we were over in the Australia still.

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 3>So he did like Emeric utener and was moving around

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.200
<v Speaker 3>and not spending it in the same area. Y sart

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.120
<v Speaker 3>and he tried to be like Emeric can be charming,

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 3>but like Emeric was authentically charming. This guy he could

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 3>turn it on, he could do the app was in

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:01.640
<v Speaker 3>the heart, so that printing press he had sure made

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 3>a lot of noise, and he tried to blare the

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:10.600
<v Speaker 3>radio to cover it. Up and then his wife asked

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 3>him about it. His neighbors asked, and.

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:13.720
<v Speaker 2>His wife doesn't know about it.

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 3>Well, he had an answer for him. He was like,

0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm printing up porn. What I am running a basement

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 3>smut factory. And they were like, oh, okay, carry on. Yeah,

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:30.359
<v Speaker 3>they were fine with that. Now he has all this cash, the.

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Noise makes sense. They're not asking questions after.

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 3>That printing press. Well, that's why he can't. So he's

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 3>got all this cash. It is, but there was more

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 3>to his plan. So he shipped the money to Rome

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:47.919
<v Speaker 3>and then he made his way there to pick up

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 3>the cargo. So now he's moved all these dollars to Europe.

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 3>So for the yeah, crates of money, he goes to Spain, France,

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 3>he would exchange fake US dollars for local currency dollars

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 3>and high demand you know as the continent rebuilds, and

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 3>then he'd wash the cash by exchanging it back into

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 3>dollars that you know, the change that he gets. He's

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:13.160
<v Speaker 3>just constantly buying this stuff and getting all this change,

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:15.680
<v Speaker 3>and he's got too much, Like he doesn't want the

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 3>stuff that he's buying the little things, so he's just dumping.

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Them, not giving it out to like kids.

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Well no, he would leave like a pile of it somewhere.

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:24.399
<v Speaker 2>But he doesn't come up with an intentionality. But I

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:25.919
<v Speaker 2>could donate these babbles.

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 3>In it, because then people see him and they have

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 3>an interaction. He just dumps it on the street or

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 3>leaves it in a rented car. So in both Rome

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 3>and Paris he narrowly escaped capture, either by wits or

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 3>good luck. But he wasn't satisfied. Nothing was ever enough.

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 2>I want to get caught.

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he needed the adrenaline, right, So he

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 3>leaves Europe.

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 2>It's an amazing feeling getting away with things.

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:49.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure.

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like when you're getting chased and you get away.

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 2>It's there, it is.

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 3>So he leaves Europe, he gets on the Queen Mary,

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 3>goes back to the US. Remember he has a warrant

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 3>out for that parole Violet, and that could send him

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 3>away away, but he didn't care. Off he goes. And so,

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 3>like in Australia and like in Europe, he's passing the

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 3>bills at little places and he's using larger and larger

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 3>bills to buy smaller and smaller stuff. Just got to

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 3>break those bills, clean that cash. And so with the

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.239
<v Speaker 3>change that he gets, just like everywhere else, you know,

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 3>he's he's you know, buying this stuff, ditching it, didn't

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 3>care what happened to it. But all the change is

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:29.680
<v Speaker 3>adding up to almost two grand a day.

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's like brewistered millions his way around, Like I

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 2>got to spend this to make this.

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he figured if he did this scam for

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 3>one hundred days, he'd never have to work or crime again.

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:41.879
<v Speaker 2>Score.

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. All of the cash he collected he put into

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:47.880
<v Speaker 3>a bank account in New York. He's just stowing it away.

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 3>And it was a lot of legwork for one guy.

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 2>That's a job. He's a jot it full time.

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:56.719
<v Speaker 3>Also, he recruited an accomplice, a woman named Terry, his

0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:58.119
<v Speaker 3>ex girlfriend.

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:02.119
<v Speaker 2>And he's on the show. They went all no, he

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>had a good thing going. He then he expands.

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 3>He gets greedy it honestly, you'll see, so greedy. They

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 3>go all over the US passing these fake bills, and

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 3>he's meticulous. So they would drop into a place and

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 3>start passing the bills, radiating out from like a randomly

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 3>selected point, and that made it look like whatever the

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 3>randomly selected point was was the counterfeitter's base.

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Sure, Then they leave town.

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Just before the authorities got wind of the phony cash.

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Then the cops are looking for a counterfeiter in town.

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 3>It just doesn't exist. So, you know, they pull this

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 3>all over the place. They're just banking, banking. Then the

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 3>two of them crossed the Atlantic and Bowden found himself

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 3>in Europe once again. So he and Terry they make

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 3>themselves out to be these like wealthy, this wealthy American

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 3>couple on the Grand tour money. Yeah. So and so

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 3>they do that. They pull the same thing over there,

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, same scams. Then they come back to the

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 3>US and they found themselves in San Francisco.

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 2>On I thought he just needed tw hundred days he

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 2>could never work again, Okay.

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Like he had. He's like, but I have all this

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 3>leftover counterfeit cat. You. So they're in San Francisco and

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 3>that's where he and Terry got busted for passing fake cat.

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 3>But this wasn't the end, not even close.

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 3>See, the San Francisco cops could be reasoned with. I

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 3>mean they take a breath, Like my great great grandpa

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 3>before them, they were on the take. Yeah, and quote.

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Starting with an offer of two thousand dollars for each officer.

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 3>We entered into a round of haggling that didn't stop

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 3>short of double that figure. The older Copp remark that

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 3>eight thousand dollars for getting out of doing ten years

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 3>was a real bargain. Bowden said, oh hell yeah yeah.

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 3>So slipping away from Johnny Law eight thousand dollars later,

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 3>he heads off to the UK. Terry had ditched him

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 3>to marry some rich lawyer and like, probably pursue her

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 3>own scam.

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 2>She has my read. She's like, he's getting too.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 3>Big, right, I'm just going undercover now. So Bowden he

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 3>used some of his cash, the real stuff, to buy

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 3>a little plane in the UK, and he wanted to

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 3>get back to Australia and actually open an aerial photography

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 3>business dag nab it.

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>He planned to fly from like this, hopscotching his way

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 2>to Australia. Yeah, oh god, it's so jealous. What a

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 2>trip that would be.

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 3>So he got the plane. He picks up two passengers

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 3>who are going to go with They're totally unaware that

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 3>there's five hundred thousand dollars in fake cash hidden on

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 3>the plane.

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 2>There his cover.

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then he starts the journey. They're hopping their

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 3>way across the East to Australia. In Singapore, he managed

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 3>to crash the plane.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:43.959
<v Speaker 3>So he survived. The passengers survive, but a lot of

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 3>his money faker otherwise didn't. Oh, and so the crash

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 3>was this big deal in Singapore's all over the papers.

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Spread money across the ground or to catch fire.

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 3>People didn't see it. And so but all they knew

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 3>is this American dude crash the plane in in the harbor.

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 2>We're in the harbor. He crashed, I guess.

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 3>So everyone wants to know about this mysterious American who

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 3>just like tumbled from the sky, can't fly for He

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 3>gave interviews. He told him all about how he was

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 3>this renowned aerial photographer and his plane was now gone

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and he needed to get back to Australia. He needed

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 3>to raise capital for a new plane. He said his

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 3>business was like crazy successful and anyone who wanted in

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 3>on this incredible opportunity, you could buy shares.

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>He's invented Patreon and go thunder all ones.

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 3>And people bought him. People bought the shares, loads of shares.

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 3>So he was able to buy not one, but two planes,

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 3>what with all the money he raised. And I guess

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 3>he had the second one flown back for him. You

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 3>can't do the thing like you do with bikes where

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 3>you hold the handlebars and the empty bike to get

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 3>the extra one.

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:47.719
<v Speaker 2>You can't do him like on top one.

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't work, doesn't work.

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Like a big rope. And then dragon the plane can't

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 2>do that either. Planes are so difficult.

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 3>He has all this paper, all these shares printed.

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Up like stocks shares.

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he has people's inform me on him, and

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 3>he takes off for Australia. Their hopes and dreams attached

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 3>to the success of his business. Everything in those stock certificates.

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 3>And those are the same stock certificates that he tossed

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 3>out of the window and into the ocean on his

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 3>way home the Pacific.

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 2>YEA like one of those like soda cops when you're

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>driving you're like, forget this thing, not you.

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 3>I would never I knew that at so Bowden he

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 3>reaches Australia, things change time for ads. When we come back,

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to tell you what changed. So there's Robert.

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Bowden littering in the Pacific littering.

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 3>His way across. He'd flown a small plane from London

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 3>to Sydney with an unexpected crowds landing in Singapore along

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 3>the way, but he made it to Sydney by golly.

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 3>He built people into investing in an aerial photography business

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 3>that didn't exist, But when he got back to Australia

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 3>he actually did start one. He just didn't cut the

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 3>investors and he ran that business for nine years, no counterfeiting.

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 2>He finally got the job, he won, finally got the job.

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 3>This he did the old one last heist thing and

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 3>actually stuck to it.

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, amazing self control. Like I think maybe he got

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 3>it all.

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Out of his system, finally did.

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Finally, but it wouldn't last. Zaren. Nothing is ever dead

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 3>and gone, especially crime.

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Or that impulse, that little voice.

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, one day in nineteen sixty eight, the cops came calling.

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 3>It seems an old accomplice of his had stored a

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 3>bunch of fake cash under his house and the dude's

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 3>adult son found it one day and just went bananas

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 3>with it, like major shopping spree.

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I got a ton. It was kind of

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 2>like a large adult son like.

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 3>He's both physically. No, he was.

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like it's like a full grown man, or

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 2>is it more like like a twenty two year old

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty two year old stuff?

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 3>I just I'm gonna imagine he's probably like in his

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 3>early twenties. So he's buying all this stuff. He goes

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 3>on a huge, huge shopping spree. It attracts a ton

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 3>of attention. The guy squeals Bones caught. When the police

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 3>searched bones house, they found two hundred and sixty five

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars in phony US bills that he'd hung on too.

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 3>They found some of the Remember how he said, I

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 3>said he made the Australian bills but then burned them.

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 3>The ones that didn't burn he hung onto, so they

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 3>found those. He confessed to absolutely everything.

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>What's the point now?

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he gets booked and then he was released on

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 3>bail to await trial, and he was facing twenty years

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 3>behind bars.

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So was his confession just basically yep, yep, yep, yep,

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>you got it to do that, yep, that's yours, yep, yep,

0:33:58.320 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 2>that's yours too, yep.

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 3>So he yeah, he's looking at twenty years. He's out

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 3>on bail. February nineteen sixty nine, comes up with an idea.

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to become a hippie.

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Call no, He's like, I'm going to stage a protest. Protest, Yeah,

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 3>he's and he's going to use his talents to do this.

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 2>What's he protest?

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, his sentence charges.

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I'm protesting.

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 3>He's protesting his charges. And so the talent he had

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 3>was flying. So his protest, he was going to fly

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 3>his plane over Sydney and then he told people he

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 3>was going to crash the thing unless the charges against

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:37.799
<v Speaker 3>him were dropped. Oh.

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought he's going to treat some fake money like

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 2>shareholder stops jumping out the windows.

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 3>So like he's buzzing buildings and cruising all lows.

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 2>He's playing chicken with skyscrapers.

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, swooping all around. He's like, I'm going to

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 3>fly under Harbor Bridge. They're like, don't do it, don'

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 3>don't do it.

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 2>He does it.

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 3>They're begging him to stop. No, he no, you, but

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 3>you know you can't tell me what to do.

0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Actual he's swooping.

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 3>All over the place. He's up there for hour hours

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 3>telling like air traffic control, I'm going to crash this.

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 3>Maybe in the harbor, maybe out at sea.

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to an opera house. You got shame of

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 2>a plane crashed into it.

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to end it all, end it all unless

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 3>the charges are dropped. Quote. I figured the masses would

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 3>be sympathetic to someone who was fighting the law in

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 3>the sky above their biggest city, rather than in a courtroom.

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Only crash, Yeah, only if the crash. So the And

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 3>he wrote that in his autobiography Fake The Passing Fortunes

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:31.799
<v Speaker 3>of a Counterfare.

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he got his book deal.

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Just you wait. So the crazy stunt brings the city

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 3>to a standstill, and it introduced the city to its

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 3>wildly criminal resident.

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Now everyone, oh yeah, it's like a publicity stunt for

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 2>this guy, right, and since.

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 3>The crimes weren't violent, he became kind of a folk

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:53.640
<v Speaker 3>hero at that point.

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>So they did like him.

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 3>They did like him. Okay, so did he crash? Well no.

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 3>As he flew around this city, Bowden was able to

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 3>get a message to New South Wales Commissioner of Police

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Norm Allen, and he explained his thinking and why the

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 3>charges should be dropped. His fuel's getting low and he

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 3>was like, look, man, I'm running out of gas. Here

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 3>I need an answer. Yeah, suddenly a message comes over

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 3>the radio. Your conditions are agreed to, you can land.

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 3>And he did beat the charges sort of, so they

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 3>showed leniency because he'd been above board for the last

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 3>decade on him, but he got new ones for the

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 3>stunt flight. He gets sentenced to five years for everything.

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Remember it was supposed to be twenty.

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 2>And all right, five but then they.

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Paroled him after fifteen That really was born in nineteen eighties,

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 3>in his fifties. Yeah, and so he gets he gets

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 3>paroled after fifteen months. What is absolutely hilarious is that

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 3>he did most of his fifteen months in prison working

0:36:58.560 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 3>in their print shop.

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 2>He's got a town, Elizabeth.

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So eight years after maybe.

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>A crime to not let him work in the.

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 3>Princeship exactly, he's so good at it. Eight years after

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 3>his flight, he did something else. He released that autobiography,

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:18.760
<v Speaker 3>another one for the Ridiculous Crime Library Fake The Passing

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 3>Fortunes of a Counterfeiter. So the book is a hit

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 3>in Australia.

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think he's a good writer. Just a crazy story.

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 3>It's a crazy story. And then naturally US publishers come calling.

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Harcourt braced Chavanovich. They bought the book and put it

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 3>to market, and like, they made some cuts to it

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 3>and they changed the name. But it sold six thousand

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 3>units and it got pushed to book clubs. But Bone

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 3>was irate.

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, those are low numbers for what imagined he was

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 2>really he was imagining.

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 3>That's not what was Megan the mad. Now I have

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 3>to say that, as someone who can't stand the publishing industry,

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 3>he won my heart with this. Every writer I know

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 3>has some complain about publishers totally. The industry is so

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:01.800
<v Speaker 3>poorly run.

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 2>They're good in worthwhile complaints.

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Right, So, in nineteen seventy nine, in the middle of

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 3>his one sided beef with his publisher, he decided to

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 3>do something he'd done it before. Saron. He got on

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 3>a plane. Who zaren close your eyes, I was wondering,

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 3>I want you to picture it. Yes, it's Tuesday, October ninth,

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 3>in eighteen seventy nine. You are a New York City

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 3>police officer. You're assigned to the aviation unit as you

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 3>are a decorated helicopter pilot, having honed your skills in Vietnam.

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Today is going to be a busy one and you

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 3>are ready see Fidel Castro's in town to speak at

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 3>the UN. Tensions are high. You straighten the tie on

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 3>your uniform and adjust your ball cap. You are unflappable.

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 3>Let everyone else be anxious about this, your stone cold.

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.280
<v Speaker 3>As you and two other pilots sit in an office

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 3>at Floyd Bennett Field in southeast Brooklyn, listening to radio chatter,

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:03.919
<v Speaker 3>you get a call, get your bird in the air.

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 3>We got us a situation. Two of you dash out

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 3>to your choppers. Immediately you're both up in the air.

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:13.879
<v Speaker 3>You've been told that there's a plane buzzing UN headquarters.

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 3>Possible terrorist. What with Castro in town and all? You

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 3>head up to midtown Manhattan and take stock of the

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 3>situation and see what can be done. As you approach,

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:28.280
<v Speaker 3>you see a red and white plane gliding around and around,

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:32.720
<v Speaker 3>back and forth, up and down around the tall, mirrored

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.879
<v Speaker 3>glass UN building. You look down and see that your

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 3>fellow officers have blocked off First Avenue in East River

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Drive for about seven blocks in front of the UN

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 3>There are ambulances and fire trucks lining the now empty streets,

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.839
<v Speaker 3>and you see the steady stream of people filing out

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 3>of the building evacuating for their safety. You attempt to

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:56.320
<v Speaker 3>contact the plane on your radio. You expect either silence

0:39:56.440 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 3>or an angry person barking demands at you. Instead, you

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 3>hear a man's voice crapple to life. He tells you

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 3>he's there to make a statement. Obviously, you think the

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 3>plane banks left to make another turn around the building.

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 3>You follow. He dips down a little too close for

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 3>comfort to the ground. You keep right beside him and

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 3>check your altimeter two hundred and fifty feet. Listen, You

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 3>tell him Castro and the un are covered with security.

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 3>They've already shoveled him away, and there's no use trying

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.839
<v Speaker 3>to get him this way. The man chuckles, Castro. What's

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 3>this got to do with Castro? You're confused. You ask

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 3>him why he's doing this. They took out the raunchy parts,

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:39.840
<v Speaker 3>he tells you, raunchy parts of what you ask, my book.

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 3>He begins to loop around the building again, with you

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 3>and the other helicopter pilot following on either side of them.

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 3>He tells you that he wrote a book and that

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 3>the publisher cut out the good parts, even changed the

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:57.280
<v Speaker 3>title to Confessions of a Promiscuous Counterfeitter garbage name. He says,

0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 3>and you have to agree with him. He goes on

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 3>to tell you about how Harcourt Brace was stiffing him

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 3>on his royalties, how he wanted to send a message

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 3>and make them take him seriously. You all bank turn again.

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 3>As Boden makes yet another loop, You ask him, why

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 3>is he buzzing the UN?

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Then?

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.320
<v Speaker 3>How does the UN fit into this. I'm not buzzing

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 3>the UN, he tells you. I'm buzzing Hardcourt Brace offices.

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 3>You look down and you realize that they're just a

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 3>couple blocks over from the UN. You sort of remember

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 3>seeing that building once the tower's been listening the whole time.

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 3>They tell you the UN has asked NYPD to take

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.919
<v Speaker 3>quote positive action. You mean shoot him down, you ask,

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 3>I guess that's what they want, But that's not happening.

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 3>You're told debris would rain down on the eight thousand

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 3>people that have been evacuated and wait anxiously along the

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 3>police barricades. You just keep them talking, and you do

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.239
<v Speaker 3>for hours. As Boden's fuel supply starts to get low,

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 3>you get a message. The head of Harcourt Brace, Ryan Dumain,

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:00.720
<v Speaker 3>has agreed to me with this guy. You tell Bowden,

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 3>and he agrees to land his plane at LaGuardia. You

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 3>tell him you'll be right there with him the whole way.

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Why does this always work?

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:14.319
<v Speaker 3>It always works. So it really didn't because as soon

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 3>as he landed, he gets arrested. There's no meeting with

0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 3>the publishers. Oh yeah, they're just like, yeah, tell me

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:23.760
<v Speaker 3>if you get down here. So they yank his pilot's

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 3>license on the spot, and they charged him with aggravated harassment,

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 3>which was a New York City charge, and extortion in

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 3>interstate commerce, a federal charge.

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Whep.

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 3>So that federal charge could get him twenty years and

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 3>a ten thousand dollars fine. That's like forty three grand today.

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 3>So the New York Daily News reported that the New

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 3>York Post was in on it with him what like.

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 3>They said that the paper had forget up no because

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 3>like all the other papers though, including the Post, they

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.800
<v Speaker 3>asserted that this audio tape from Bowden had been delivered

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 3>to the Post that morning, right before he got in

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 3>the air. The New York Daily News was like, no,

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 3>he They've had that tape for a week and they're

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 3>the ones who coordinated. They're just telling tales anyway, the

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 3>tape that it was like this wild accusation that just

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:16.480
<v Speaker 3>suddenly gets ignored. Totally, totally is But so this audio

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 3>tape detailed his grievances and like maybe the Post sat

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 3>on it a bit, but they eventually shared it with authorities. Okay,

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 3>Boden did a night in jail, then he got out

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:30.359
<v Speaker 3>on bail. The papers were loving this, absolutely loving it.

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Hardcourt Brace was not. They released a statement that said

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 3>that they had recently rejected this like ten page outline

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 3>that he gave them for a murder mystery. And then

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 3>but they said, quote, our relations with mister Bowden have

0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 3>been correct and not unpleasant. Okay, yeah, So anyway, Harry Steinberg,

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:53.320
<v Speaker 3>who he did the book reviews for Newsday, he described

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 3>the autobiography as quote an interesting story, not very well told.

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.359
<v Speaker 3>It was the kind of book you want to for get,

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 3>kind of out you want out. So the painters all

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 3>picked up on the story of his Australian stunt as well,

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 3>and so like the speculation about his punishment was just

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.080
<v Speaker 3>absolutely rampant. They also went out of their way to

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 3>portray him as insane. He's like this zany. They kept

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:23.040
<v Speaker 3>calling him zany loopy guy. Who pulled idiotic stunts. They

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 3>used these wild pictures of him with like crazy hair.

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Zane. I mean that picture like you know the screwball comedies.

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I imagine like the heroines like you know, Catherine Hepburn

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 2>trying to drive Carrie Grant nuts. That's my picture.

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 3>They're just like this guy's absolutely.

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:39.240
<v Speaker 2>This guy's threatening people with a plane.

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 3>But the insanity comes up again because the court ordered

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:46.240
<v Speaker 3>him to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Yeah, but that gambit

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 3>that he used in the past and hold he still

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 3>he had to stand trial and a grand jury indicted

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 3>him on February fourth, nineteen eighty, but on March third,

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.360
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty he was acquitted of all charges by a

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:04.800
<v Speaker 3>jury acquitted fully acquitted. He passed away in April of

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty three, at the age of sixty five, in

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 3>San Diego. I'm not sure why he was in San Diego,

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.439
<v Speaker 3>although he did tell the papers in New York after

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 3>the un incident that he had a house in Australia

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 3>and a house in Cucamonga, California. I'm guessing that's Rancho Cucamua, Yeah,

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.319
<v Speaker 3>right outside of La not San Diego either way, So

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't find an obituary for him in either the

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:30.879
<v Speaker 3>US or Australia. I know, and he died because there

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:35.200
<v Speaker 3>was a notice to creditors in the paper in Australia saying,

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 3>if you're after he died, this guy died on the

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 3>state and if you you know, get in touch if

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 3>he owes you money. So he made this wild name

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 3>for himself in life, but there's not a final tribute

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:51.040
<v Speaker 3>to him in death, which I just think is fascinating nothing. So, Saren,

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.920
<v Speaker 3>what's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 2>This guy makes so many interesting choices as out of

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the box thinker. But I have to say say that

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 2>playing your your hits again of like, oh I didn't

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 2>get what I want. I'm going back to the skies

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 2>in a plane. I'm gonna make it right.

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<v Speaker 3>It made it kind of right the first time, the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Time it did, But that's not something. Kind of my

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<v Speaker 2>point is that I don't think you can repeat. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that lightning strikes twice, you know. So like

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he thinks that after having such success

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<v Speaker 2>reading people and knowing how to play the moment, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like he just got old and lazy, or he just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to play one of the old hits and like

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<v Speaker 2>go out with some glory. Remember when I did this

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<v Speaker 2>was Wild is Killed in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even talk about impulse control with him because

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of planning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he spends a lot of time thinking about a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of time to think, oh maybe not. But he has

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<v Speaker 3>that addiction to the adrenaline them it obviously and.

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<v Speaker 2>The getting away with that, and like you can't tell

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<v Speaker 2>me what to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yours, Elizabeth? What's your ridiculous take ony?

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<v Speaker 3>My ridiculous takeaway is this is another reason why people

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't fly small planes.

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<v Speaker 2>No, stop it with that. That is that it's mean

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<v Speaker 2>and unfair to those of us who want to fly

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<v Speaker 2>small planes and are not musicians, so we're not at risk.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true. You know what I need right now?

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<v Speaker 2>What talk bag? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, hit me Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, sp.

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<v Speaker 3>I love get.

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<v Speaker 4>A Elizabeth Sarah. Then producer d thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 4>always producing such a great show. I am that person

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<v Speaker 4>who would love to be into true crime because of

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<v Speaker 4>the intrigue and the narrative and the character elements, But

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<v Speaker 4>then I just can't get into it because I don't

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<v Speaker 4>like when dogs and cats get hurt, or people get maimed,

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<v Speaker 4>or other terrible things happen. So you guys hit that

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<v Speaker 4>perfect sweet spot where I can be entertained but still

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<v Speaker 4>fall asleep. Keep up with great work.

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<v Speaker 3>You're very welcome. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Of your people wants to know if the dog or cat.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to make sure the animals turn out okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to make sure the people survive.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a good person, so were you.

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<v Speaker 3>We we do that here all the time. Twice a

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<v Speaker 3>week we deliver. I'm so glad that that That's right.

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