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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio zero.

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Speaker 2: Hey what's up? Hi? Smile making my day brighter?

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I'm making my day brighter too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm all about me. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Girl? Do I judge in Colorado determined that elephants are

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Speaker 2: not people? No? Yeah, they did, like a whole rational

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Speaker 2: thing all by themselves. They're like, wait, let me feel

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Speaker 2: this around. Not a person, not a person. Still, not

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Speaker 2: a person, keep going No. So it was actually a

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Speaker 2: much more serious thing than that. There was these five elephants,

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Speaker 2: African elephants stuck in Colorado, Missy Kimba, Lulu, Jambo and

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Speaker 2: Lucky right. Yeah, and they were at the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and rough apparently rough business a bunch of animal rights activists.

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Speaker 2: They took the zoo to court and they cited a

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Speaker 2: legal process one you probably know better than I habeas

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Speaker 2: corpus Latin for have the body. They're like, you know,

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Speaker 2: and they were basically protesting. They wanted to challenge the

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Speaker 2: detention in court, yeah, you know. And they wanted to

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Speaker 2: move the elephants to a sanctuary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because an African elephant probably shouldn't be in rockies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally in the rockies, all of that in the

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Speaker 2: how do we even say in the zoo? Like I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of I'm a big believer because elephants they

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Speaker 2: experienced menopause, you know, like, what is it? Toothed whales,

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Speaker 2: killer whales, chimpanzees, elephants And if you do that, I

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Speaker 2: think if you experienced menopause, you should not have to

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Speaker 2: be in a zoo. It's a sign of intelligence. It's

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Speaker 2: not a physical I'm saying, is it's a way. That's

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Speaker 2: the whole idea of the theory, is that if you

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Speaker 2: impart all that, sure, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I just believe in let wild be wild?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, definitely definitely phrase. So my point is is

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Speaker 2: that the State Supreme Court Justice Marie and Birkin counter

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Speaker 2: She ruled that it bears noting that the narrow legal

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Speaker 2: question before this court does not turn on her regard

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Speaker 2: for the three majestic animals generally or these five elephants specifically,

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Speaker 2: but rather it comes down to quote, whether an elephant

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Speaker 2: is a person, which clearly they are not. So they

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Speaker 2: cannot run their thing, which is I mean, it has worked,

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Speaker 2: it is a legal thing the Colombia. Down in Columbia,

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Speaker 2: cocaine hippos. They tried to run that saying that they

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Speaker 2: were people so they could have rights, not to be euthanized,

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Speaker 2: sterilized and all that. And they try to make rivers

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Speaker 2: people down in Australia. We can't even make elephants people.

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Speaker 2: When are we going to get civilized in this country?

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Speaker 3: Why can't we deputize the orcas get.

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Speaker 2: Them to free us? There you go, isn't that ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: This is ridiculous? So do you want to know what

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Speaker 3: else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was praying you got something good.

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Speaker 3: For me protesting via plane?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is ridiculous. Crime A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 3: outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 3: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't heard that.

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Speaker 3: So world's a little rough right now.

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Speaker 2: Kind of rocky and Sandy.

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Speaker 3: It's uncertain a little stressful for me. And I'm sure

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Speaker 3: there are people out there who are loving it and okay,

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Speaker 3: you know whatever, But you know, for me, I don't

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Speaker 3: handle stress.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: I'm a low key person. I like calm yes, I

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Speaker 3: like cozy.

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Speaker 2: You don't like disturbances like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you like action and getting wild right all right? Chaos, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you do like chaos, And when it comes to making

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Speaker 3: a statement, I like to manipulate from behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Totally, totally all chas. I don't want to be like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I root for anything of like destructive. I don't mean that.

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Speaker 3: I'm an agent of chaos.

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Speaker 2: So I like watching you work, which.

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Speaker 3: Which is manipulate behind this scenes to cause chaos for others.

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Speaker 2: Totally entertainment. I love.

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Speaker 3: That's my specialty, gentle manipulation. But that's the time when

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Speaker 3: it beens like.

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Speaker 2: At a waffle bar in an embassy suit. Yes exactly.

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Speaker 3: I like the mostly gentle manipulation for the benefit of others,

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Speaker 3: benefit of all.

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Speaker 2: You have a good heart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I try not to do it.

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Speaker 2: For my spread. You're chaos.

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Speaker 3: I'm a team player. I would imagine that you like loud,

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Speaker 3: upfront statements, big gestures.

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Speaker 2: Oh not necessarily. I like well made They can be succinct,

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Speaker 3: It can't be mistaken.

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Speaker 2: Like I want to be clear I want the intention

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're also someone who does nothing for your

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Speaker 3: own gain. You always do stuff for others. I've noticed that,

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Speaker 3: hats off. It's unusual. A lot of people are self serving,

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Speaker 3: and that's when statements become stunts.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pelicity stunts, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And selfish. This that impacts others. So you see where

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Speaker 3: I'm going with this. I you see, I want to

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Speaker 3: tell you about a guy who's loud and brash and

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Speaker 3: crafty and crooked and stay with me. Stop stop giving

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Speaker 3: me the cut hand signal. He was often called Zany

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Speaker 3: in the press. He was part Emeric, part Tommy fits See.

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Speaker 3: I pulled it up before crashing. Tree Top Flyer song

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Speaker 3: by Stephen Still, I've mentioned it before. I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love that song total.

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Speaker 3: That's how I described like just barely making a deadline

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Speaker 3: or getting something to fall in place.

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Speaker 2: Every time you say that to me, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you tree top flyer. It gives me this soul delight.

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Speaker 3: Tree top flying. This dude I want to talk to

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Speaker 3: you about is also a tree top flyer. So not

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Speaker 3: in the sense of like a Vietnam vet who flew

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Speaker 2: Not that kind.

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Speaker 3: No, not a literal. He's more of a building top flyer.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into that later. So who is this Zaney fellow?

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Speaker 2: Who Elizabeth? Is this Zaney fellow?

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Speaker 3: I can answer that. His name Robert Boden.

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Speaker 2: I don't know his name.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is like, if he were using it

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Speaker 3: in the French, it would be Bodon, but it's Boden.

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Speaker 2: Baud i m B A U D. Night.

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Speaker 3: Some called him the flying Forger.

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Speaker 2: What.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get into that. Yes, so he's from New Jersey,

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Speaker 3: was born in nineteen eighteen. Yeah, exactly. His dad was

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Speaker 3: a French professor at NYU. Okay, but not like the

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Speaker 2: Living elbow style.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so you know, I like to set the

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Speaker 3: Nineteen eighteen East Orange, New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, is that the East Egg West Egg from

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Speaker 2: Fitzgerald East Orange and West Orange is a parallel? No, okay,

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Speaker 3: This is New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: That's long Island, I know, but I mean I just

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like like some of the other bad guys

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Speaker 3: we've talked about. He got into criming early, and he

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Speaker 3: as a young teen. Nothing I want to discuss here,

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Speaker 3: but it may have influenced some of his behavior. Who's

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Speaker 3: to say, witness or participants either way. As a teen

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Speaker 3: he started forging checks and he got really good at it.

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Speaker 2: Him.

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Speaker 3: What did he do with the money?

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Speaker 2: What did he do with the money? Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: Good question. He went to brothels.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was a teen. Yeah, he was with

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Speaker 3: He's doing real crime, right, like fake checks, prostitutes and

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Speaker 3: and it went from there. He was a thief, con man,

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Speaker 3: stole from his dad's work a k A N y U.

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Speaker 2: Right. So he wasn't like robbing the payroll at the

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Speaker 2: construction site. He was robbing in the university whatever.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, books, pens, paper chairs, those greade books. No,

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Speaker 3: he was a shoplifter to in essence, he had no

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Speaker 2: It sounds like, I mean, I'm getting that from.

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Speaker 3: Him, and that's a weird thing to me, as someone

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Speaker 3: abiding to a fault, like you believe in the real.

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Speaker 2: Meaning of it, which is, if we do this, we

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Speaker 2: can all live together.

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Speaker 3: Well, right, exactly, Like I can't fathom flouting the law

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Speaker 3: like you were saying, like laws were crafted for.

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Speaker 2: A reason initially to me.

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Speaker 3: If I break the social fabric, can just ignore the law.

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Speaker 3: I'm crapping on the whole operation, not to mention the

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Speaker 3: social contract, permanent record.

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Speaker 2: I know you worry about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we live in a society and all that. So

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Speaker 3: not Robert.

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Speaker 2: Bowden, right, no, no, not.

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Speaker 3: Bad bodies didn't hair not tethered, you know, to convention

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Speaker 3: or when the Great Depression hit, he hit the road.

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Speaker 3: He's had enough in New Jersey. He made his way

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Speaker 3: It was like some sort of crusty punk I could

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Speaker 2: He wore crusty punk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He gets to the city. That's what we call

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Speaker 3: it here, the city. And he pulled cons like buying

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Speaker 2: Way, oh, the hustler way.

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Speaker 3: The hustler he didn't care. It was like, whatever whatever

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Speaker 3: do it. So after a while he tried, he joined

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Speaker 3: the merchant marine. H he was a merchant Ahoy, merchant mariner.

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Speaker 3: So was my great grandpa for a time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good guys, and all.

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Speaker 3: These cornerman Bandini Brown he was one.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah Brown.

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Speaker 3: David mammontt really, James Garner your man.

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Speaker 2: I love James. These are all like the man at throw,

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Speaker 2: Denver Pyle, really Uncle Jesse from the Dukes that Have.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Sir Jim Thorpe, Oh why god? All American Jenny Cathree,

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Speaker 3: what the heck? All the cool I got to get

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Speaker 3: into that become a merchant American?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got what's wrong with you?

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Speaker 3: So basically, you know they're working on ships transporting domestic

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Speaker 3: and an international cargo and passengers, a lot of international waters.

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Speaker 2: During peacetime totally.

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Speaker 3: And then if war breaks out, they become part of

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Speaker 3: the navy and they move personnel and.

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Speaker 2: Supplies and yeah, supply line stuff. Remember how like some

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Speaker 2: of the smuggling that the Navy needs done but doesn't

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Speaker 3: On their exactly so because there's civilians. Remember how I

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Speaker 3: What happens and so you know what happens when you

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Speaker 3: And he's still a cop. So he's running scams and

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Speaker 3: all that. His parents met there in nineteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Four the part of the Foreign Office.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they were maybe they ran into Bowden while there.

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Speaker 2: Know what he did there, Delli knew Delhi, which Dellwi

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Speaker 3: You know what he did there?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. He committed Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he committed crimes. So things are getting tense though

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, he's just going from crime spot to

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Speaker 3: Okay, you got scammers, thievesamers, today, suckers, hustlers, merchant he's

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Speaker 2: Yes, no one did that World War two, that was

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Speaker 3: He's liked, you're too crazy for this, But so he

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Speaker 2: Oh do you have a good eye?

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Speaker 3: Crazy as you like learning photography in nineteen forties, La.

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Speaker 3: About it. He just couldn't learn a trade or a

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Speaker 2: Hell with this steal something, do some crime con down?

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Speaker 3: So he did. He did the crack. I feel like

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Speaker 2: It's like kind of like how do you leverage values?

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Speaker 2: Not even like to use this, it's just like how

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Speaker 3: And he just couldn't help himself. So towards the end

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Speaker 2: A lot more work than I would expect from it.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of stuff to counterfeit at the time,

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Speaker 3: And the one that he focused on were the gas tickets.

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Speaker 2: Sure people are fighting. I listen old radio shows. They

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Speaker 3: But I don't think people these days understand what the

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Speaker 3: That community effort to sacrifice for now at that moment,

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Speaker 2: Well, they're buying war bonds, they've got their liberty garden,

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Speaker 2: and they're willing to deny themselves. Butter melt make.

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Speaker 3: A sacrifice for everybody.

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Speaker 2: But the boys overseas they can use had to grease

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Speaker 3: Now I wasn't there, of course, but I heard from

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Speaker 2: Like he's getting thrown in with a much bigger group too,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's convicted. He sentenced to eight months hard

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Speaker 2: He goes back to which then they said, check my record.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to keep up the ruse.

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Speaker 3: No, let's listen to some ads, uncurated ads, and when

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Speaker 2: So duh. Yeah, he's got a tough decision, as you

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Speaker 2: Hope floats, but not those papers. Australia, Australia, Australia.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, nineteen forty eight, Sydney's booming.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, the.

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Speaker 3: So there were tons of jobs too. It was the

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Speaker 3: so to the public. He's just this yank setting up

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Speaker 2: He talks funny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So he meets and Mary's this really nice country

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Speaker 2: Betty and Bobby Bowden and Bowmain.

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Speaker 3: There it is. He didn't have a camera or a plane,

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Speaker 2: Had to move those pieces around differently.

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Speaker 3: He discovered a little loopholes what he did. It's illegal

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Speaker 2: I think that's still a rule.

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Speaker 3: But back then it wasn't illegal to print American dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So he tried to make some Australian dollars anyway,

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Speaker 3: twenties and hundreds?

442
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: How many twenties hundred of elizabeth.

443
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: Two million dollars, I guess a lot. That's thirty one

444
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: million Australian dollars today, which is almost like nineteen and

445
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 3: a half million US dollars.

446
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: And that's a lot of bills, I mean, just a

447
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: lot of printing. Yeah, my elbow hurt. Imagine.

448
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know he's this hard worker. He hasn't give

449
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: no attention to detail.

450
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: I'll give you that.

451
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: He'd crumple up the bills and he'd soak them in

452
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 3: watered down glycerine to age them appropriately so that they'd

453
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 3: be accepted. And he starts out doing this by hand,

454
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: but then he's got so many he had to like

455
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 3: get a dedicated washing machine to do that.

456
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 2: We know if he's starting with all like pre made

457
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: bills like a one dollar in printing.

458
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 3: Because he's the photographer who would take a picture and

459
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: then use that so to.

460
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: Make his plates. And I'm saying what he's printing on

461
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: is he printing on fresh paper? Okay, it's all the idea.

462
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: People use smaller bills like a one or a five

463
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: print much bigger bills.

464
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to guess it's fresh paper because he's aged.

465
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: That's what I was guessing.

466
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what he said. Quote working on the

467
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 3: tracing material was sheer joy. And since President Jackson's portrait

468
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: seemed the hardest part, I tackled it first. I had

469
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: a little trouble with his nose and eyes. I indulged

470
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: in a few departures from government engraving to bring him

471
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 3: back to normal.

472
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: So they don't want so much that hawk mean face.

473
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 3: Wanted to soften it out. He photoshopped him, so he

474
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 3: moved a small amount of the fake bills in places

475
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 3: like mom and pop shops or newsstands, drug stores, and

476
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: I guess I think the US dollar was accepted everywhere.

477
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 3: He pulled in Emeric, those.

478
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: Military guys everywhere, so people are taking back in Germany

479
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: and anywhere that you have like the Marshall Plan guys.

480
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: And we were over in the Australia still.

481
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: So he did like Emeric utener and was moving around

482
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 3: and not spending it in the same area. Y sart

483
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 3: and he tried to be like Emeric can be charming,

484
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 3: but like Emeric was authentically charming. This guy he could

485
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: turn it on, he could do the app was in

486
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 3: the heart, so that printing press he had sure made

487
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: a lot of noise, and he tried to blare the

488
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: radio to cover it. Up and then his wife asked

489
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: him about it. His neighbors asked, and.

490
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: His wife doesn't know about it.

491
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: Well, he had an answer for him. He was like,

492
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: I'm printing up porn. What I am running a basement

493
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: smut factory. And they were like, oh, okay, carry on. Yeah,

494
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: they were fine with that. Now he has all this cash, the.

495
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: Noise makes sense. They're not asking questions after.

496
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: That printing press. Well, that's why he can't. So he's

497
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: got all this cash. It is, but there was more

498
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: to his plan. So he shipped the money to Rome

499
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 3: and then he made his way there to pick up

500
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: the cargo. So now he's moved all these dollars to Europe.

501
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: So for the yeah, crates of money, he goes to Spain, France,

502
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: he would exchange fake US dollars for local currency dollars

503
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 3: and high demand you know as the continent rebuilds, and

504
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: then he'd wash the cash by exchanging it back into

505
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: dollars that you know, the change that he gets. He's

506
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 3: just constantly buying this stuff and getting all this change,

507
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 3: and he's got too much, Like he doesn't want the

508
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: stuff that he's buying the little things, so he's just dumping.

509
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: Them, not giving it out to like kids.

510
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: Well no, he would leave like a pile of it somewhere.

511
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: But he doesn't come up with an intentionality. But I

512
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 2: could donate these babbles.

513
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: In it, because then people see him and they have

514
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: an interaction. He just dumps it on the street or

515
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 3: leaves it in a rented car. So in both Rome

516
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: and Paris he narrowly escaped capture, either by wits or

517
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: good luck. But he wasn't satisfied. Nothing was ever enough.

518
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: I want to get caught.

519
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he needed the adrenaline, right, So he

520
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: leaves Europe.

521
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: It's an amazing feeling getting away with things.

522
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure.

523
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: I mean, like when you're getting chased and you get away.

524
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: It's there, it is.

525
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: So he leaves Europe, he gets on the Queen Mary,

526
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 3: goes back to the US. Remember he has a warrant

527
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: out for that parole Violet, and that could send him

528
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: away away, but he didn't care. Off he goes. And so,

529
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: like in Australia and like in Europe, he's passing the

530
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 3: bills at little places and he's using larger and larger

531
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 3: bills to buy smaller and smaller stuff. Just got to

532
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 3: break those bills, clean that cash. And so with the

533
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 3: change that he gets, just like everywhere else, you know,

534
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: he's he's you know, buying this stuff, ditching it, didn't

535
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: care what happened to it. But all the change is

536
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 3: adding up to almost two grand a day.

537
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: Oh, he's like brewistered millions his way around, Like I

538
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: got to spend this to make this.

539
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he figured if he did this scam for

540
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: one hundred days, he'd never have to work or crime again.

541
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: Score.

542
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. All of the cash he collected he put into

543
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 3: a bank account in New York. He's just stowing it away.

544
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 3: And it was a lot of legwork for one guy.

545
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: That's a job. He's a jot it full time.

546
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 3: Also, he recruited an accomplice, a woman named Terry, his

547
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 3: ex girlfriend.

548
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: And he's on the show. They went all no, he

549
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: had a good thing going. He then he expands.

550
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: He gets greedy it honestly, you'll see, so greedy. They

551
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: go all over the US passing these fake bills, and

552
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: he's meticulous. So they would drop into a place and

553
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: start passing the bills, radiating out from like a randomly

554
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: selected point, and that made it look like whatever the

555
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: randomly selected point was was the counterfeitter's base.

556
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: Sure, Then they leave town.

557
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: Just before the authorities got wind of the phony cash.

558
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: Then the cops are looking for a counterfeiter in town.

559
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: It just doesn't exist. So, you know, they pull this

560
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 3: all over the place. They're just banking, banking. Then the

561
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: two of them crossed the Atlantic and Bowden found himself

562
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: in Europe once again. So he and Terry they make

563
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: themselves out to be these like wealthy, this wealthy American

564
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: couple on the Grand tour money. Yeah. So and so

565
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: they do that. They pull the same thing over there,

566
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: you know, same scams. Then they come back to the

567
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: US and they found themselves in San Francisco.

568
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: On I thought he just needed tw hundred days he

569
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: could never work again, Okay.

570
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 3: Like he had. He's like, but I have all this

571
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: leftover counterfeit cat. You. So they're in San Francisco and

572
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: that's where he and Terry got busted for passing fake cat.

573
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: But this wasn't the end, not even close.

574
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: Okay.

575
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: See, the San Francisco cops could be reasoned with. I

576
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: mean they take a breath, Like my great great grandpa

577
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: before them, they were on the take. Yeah, and quote.

578
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: Starting with an offer of two thousand dollars for each officer.

579
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: We entered into a round of haggling that didn't stop

580
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: short of double that figure. The older Copp remark that

581
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars for getting out of doing ten years

582
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: was a real bargain. Bowden said, oh hell yeah yeah.

583
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: So slipping away from Johnny Law eight thousand dollars later,

584
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: he heads off to the UK. Terry had ditched him

585
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: to marry some rich lawyer and like, probably pursue her

586
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: own scam.

587
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: She has my read. She's like, he's getting too.

588
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: Big, right, I'm just going undercover now. So Bowden he

589
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: used some of his cash, the real stuff, to buy

590
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: a little plane in the UK, and he wanted to

591
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: get back to Australia and actually open an aerial photography

592
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: business dag nab it.

593
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: He planned to fly from like this, hopscotching his way

594
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: to Australia. Yeah, oh god, it's so jealous. What a

595
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: trip that would be.

596
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: So he got the plane. He picks up two passengers

597
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: who are going to go with They're totally unaware that

598
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: there's five hundred thousand dollars in fake cash hidden on

599
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: the plane.

600
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: There his cover.

601
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he starts the journey. They're hopping their

602
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: way across the East to Australia. In Singapore, he managed

603
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: to crash the plane.

604
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

605
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 3: So he survived. The passengers survive, but a lot of

606
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: his money faker otherwise didn't. Oh, and so the crash

607
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: was this big deal in Singapore's all over the papers.

608
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: Spread money across the ground or to catch fire.

609
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: People didn't see it. And so but all they knew

610
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: is this American dude crash the plane in in the harbor.

611
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: We're in the harbor. He crashed, I guess.

612
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: So everyone wants to know about this mysterious American who

613
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: just like tumbled from the sky, can't fly for He

614
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: gave interviews. He told him all about how he was

615
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: this renowned aerial photographer and his plane was now gone

616
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: and he needed to get back to Australia. He needed

617
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: to raise capital for a new plane. He said his

618
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: business was like crazy successful and anyone who wanted in

619
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: on this incredible opportunity, you could buy shares.

620
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: He's invented Patreon and go thunder all ones.

621
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: And people bought him. People bought the shares, loads of shares.

622
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: So he was able to buy not one, but two planes,

623
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: what with all the money he raised. And I guess

624
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: he had the second one flown back for him. You

625
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: can't do the thing like you do with bikes where

626
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: you hold the handlebars and the empty bike to get

627
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: the extra one.

628
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 2: You can't do him like on top one.

629
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't work, doesn't work.

630
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: Like a big rope. And then dragon the plane can't

631
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: do that either. Planes are so difficult.

632
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: He has all this paper, all these shares printed.

633
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: Up like stocks shares.

634
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has people's inform me on him, and

635
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: he takes off for Australia. Their hopes and dreams attached

636
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: to the success of his business. Everything in those stock certificates.

637
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: And those are the same stock certificates that he tossed

638
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: out of the window and into the ocean on his

639
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: way home the Pacific.

640
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: YEA like one of those like soda cops when you're

641
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: driving you're like, forget this thing, not you.

642
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: I would never I knew that at so Bowden he

643
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: reaches Australia, things change time for ads. When we come back,

644
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you what changed. So there's Robert.

645
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: Bowden littering in the Pacific littering.

646
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: His way across. He'd flown a small plane from London

647
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: to Sydney with an unexpected crowds landing in Singapore along

648
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: the way, but he made it to Sydney by golly.

649
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: He built people into investing in an aerial photography business

650
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: that didn't exist, But when he got back to Australia

651
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: he actually did start one. He just didn't cut the

652
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: investors and he ran that business for nine years, no counterfeiting.

653
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: He finally got the job, he won, finally got the job.

654
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: This he did the old one last heist thing and

655
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: actually stuck to it.

656
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

657
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing self control. Like I think maybe he got

658
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: it all.

659
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: Out of his system, finally did.

660
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: Finally, but it wouldn't last. Zaren. Nothing is ever dead

661
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: and gone, especially crime.

662
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: Or that impulse, that little voice.

663
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: Well, one day in nineteen sixty eight, the cops came calling.

664
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: It seems an old accomplice of his had stored a

665
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: bunch of fake cash under his house and the dude's

666
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: adult son found it one day and just went bananas

667
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: with it, like major shopping spree.

668
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I got a ton. It was kind of

669
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: like a large adult son like.

670
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: He's both physically. No, he was.

671
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's like a full grown man, or

672
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: is it more like like a twenty two year old

673
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: twenty two year old stuff?

674
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: I just I'm gonna imagine he's probably like in his

675
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: early twenties. So he's buying all this stuff. He goes

676
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: on a huge, huge shopping spree. It attracts a ton

677
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: of attention. The guy squeals Bones caught. When the police

678
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: searched bones house, they found two hundred and sixty five

679
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in phony US bills that he'd hung on too.

680
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: They found some of the Remember how he said, I

681
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: said he made the Australian bills but then burned them.

682
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: The ones that didn't burn he hung onto, so they

683
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: found those. He confessed to absolutely everything.

684
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: What's the point now?

685
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets booked and then he was released on

686
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: bail to await trial, and he was facing twenty years

687
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: behind bars.

688
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: So was his confession just basically yep, yep, yep, yep,

689
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: you got it to do that, yep, that's yours, yep, yep,

690
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: that's yours too, yep.

691
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: So he yeah, he's looking at twenty years. He's out

692
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: on bail. February nineteen sixty nine, comes up with an idea.

693
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to become a hippie.

694
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: Call no, He's like, I'm going to stage a protest. Protest, Yeah,

695
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: he's and he's going to use his talents to do this.

696
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: What's he protest?

697
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 3: Well, his sentence charges.

698
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm protesting.

699
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: He's protesting his charges. And so the talent he had

700
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: was flying. So his protest, he was going to fly

701
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: his plane over Sydney and then he told people he

702
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: was going to crash the thing unless the charges against

703
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: him were dropped. Oh.

704
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: I thought he's going to treat some fake money like

705
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: shareholder stops jumping out the windows.

706
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: So like he's buzzing buildings and cruising all lows.

707
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: He's playing chicken with skyscrapers.

708
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, swooping all around. He's like, I'm going to

709
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: fly under Harbor Bridge. They're like, don't do it, don'

710
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: don't do it.

711
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: He does it.

712
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: They're begging him to stop. No, he no, you, but

713
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: you know you can't tell me what to do.

714
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: Actual he's swooping.

715
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: All over the place. He's up there for hour hours

716
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: telling like air traffic control, I'm going to crash this.

717
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: Maybe in the harbor, maybe out at sea.

718
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to an opera house. You got shame of

719
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: a plane crashed into it.

720
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to end it all, end it all unless

721
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: the charges are dropped. Quote. I figured the masses would

722
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: be sympathetic to someone who was fighting the law in

723
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: the sky above their biggest city, rather than in a courtroom.

724
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: Only crash, Yeah, only if the crash. So the And

725
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 3: he wrote that in his autobiography Fake The Passing Fortunes

726
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: of a Counterfare.

727
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he got his book deal.

728
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 3: Just you wait. So the crazy stunt brings the city

729
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: to a standstill, and it introduced the city to its

730
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: wildly criminal resident.

731
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: Now everyone, oh yeah, it's like a publicity stunt for

732
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: this guy, right, and since.

733
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: The crimes weren't violent, he became kind of a folk

734
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: hero at that point.

735
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: So they did like him.

736
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: They did like him. Okay, so did he crash? Well no.

737
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: As he flew around this city, Bowden was able to

738
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: get a message to New South Wales Commissioner of Police

739
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: Norm Allen, and he explained his thinking and why the

740
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: charges should be dropped. His fuel's getting low and he

741
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: was like, look, man, I'm running out of gas. Here

742
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: I need an answer. Yeah, suddenly a message comes over

743
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: the radio. Your conditions are agreed to, you can land.

744
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: And he did beat the charges sort of, so they

745
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: showed leniency because he'd been above board for the last

746
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: decade on him, but he got new ones for the

747
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: stunt flight. He gets sentenced to five years for everything.

748
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: Remember it was supposed to be twenty.

749
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 2: And all right, five but then they.

750
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: Paroled him after fifteen That really was born in nineteen eighties,

751
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: in his fifties. Yeah, and so he gets he gets

752
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: paroled after fifteen months. What is absolutely hilarious is that

753
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: he did most of his fifteen months in prison working

754
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: in their print shop.

755
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: He's got a town, Elizabeth.

756
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. So eight years after maybe.

757
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: A crime to not let him work in the.

758
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 3: Princeship exactly, he's so good at it. Eight years after

759
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: his flight, he did something else. He released that autobiography,

760
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: another one for the Ridiculous Crime Library Fake The Passing

761
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: Fortunes of a Counterfeiter. So the book is a hit

762
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: in Australia.

763
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I think he's a good writer. Just a crazy story.

764
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: It's a crazy story. And then naturally US publishers come calling.

765
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: Harcourt braced Chavanovich. They bought the book and put it

766
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: to market, and like, they made some cuts to it

767
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: and they changed the name. But it sold six thousand

768
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: units and it got pushed to book clubs. But Bone

769
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: was irate.

770
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, those are low numbers for what imagined he was

771
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: really he was imagining.

772
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: That's not what was Megan the mad. Now I have

773
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: to say that, as someone who can't stand the publishing industry,

774
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: he won my heart with this. Every writer I know

775
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: has some complain about publishers totally. The industry is so

776
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: poorly run.

777
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: They're good in worthwhile complaints.

778
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: Right, So, in nineteen seventy nine, in the middle of

779
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: his one sided beef with his publisher, he decided to

780
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: do something he'd done it before. Saron. He got on

781
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: a plane. Who zaren close your eyes, I was wondering,

782
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: I want you to picture it. Yes, it's Tuesday, October ninth,

783
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: in eighteen seventy nine. You are a New York City

784
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 3: police officer. You're assigned to the aviation unit as you

785
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: are a decorated helicopter pilot, having honed your skills in Vietnam.

786
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: Today is going to be a busy one and you

787
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: are ready see Fidel Castro's in town to speak at

788
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: the UN. Tensions are high. You straighten the tie on

789
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: your uniform and adjust your ball cap. You are unflappable.

790
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: Let everyone else be anxious about this, your stone cold.

791
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 3: As you and two other pilots sit in an office

792
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: at Floyd Bennett Field in southeast Brooklyn, listening to radio chatter,

793
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 3: you get a call, get your bird in the air.

794
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: We got us a situation. Two of you dash out

795
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: to your choppers. Immediately you're both up in the air.

796
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 3: You've been told that there's a plane buzzing UN headquarters.

797
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: Possible terrorist. What with Castro in town and all? You

798
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: head up to midtown Manhattan and take stock of the

799
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: situation and see what can be done. As you approach,

800
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 3: you see a red and white plane gliding around and around,

801
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 3: back and forth, up and down around the tall, mirrored

802
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 3: glass UN building. You look down and see that your

803
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: fellow officers have blocked off First Avenue in East River

804
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: Drive for about seven blocks in front of the UN

805
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: There are ambulances and fire trucks lining the now empty streets,

806
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: and you see the steady stream of people filing out

807
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: of the building evacuating for their safety. You attempt to

808
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 3: contact the plane on your radio. You expect either silence

809
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: or an angry person barking demands at you. Instead, you

810
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: hear a man's voice crapple to life. He tells you

811
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: he's there to make a statement. Obviously, you think the

812
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: plane banks left to make another turn around the building.

813
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: You follow. He dips down a little too close for

814
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: comfort to the ground. You keep right beside him and

815
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: check your altimeter two hundred and fifty feet. Listen, You

816
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: tell him Castro and the un are covered with security.

817
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: They've already shoveled him away, and there's no use trying

818
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: to get him this way. The man chuckles, Castro. What's

819
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: this got to do with Castro? You're confused. You ask

820
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: him why he's doing this. They took out the raunchy parts,

821
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: he tells you, raunchy parts of what you ask, my book.

822
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: He begins to loop around the building again, with you

823
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: and the other helicopter pilot following on either side of them.

824
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: He tells you that he wrote a book and that

825
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: the publisher cut out the good parts, even changed the

826
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 3: title to Confessions of a Promiscuous Counterfeitter garbage name. He says,

827
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: and you have to agree with him. He goes on

828
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: to tell you about how Harcourt Brace was stiffing him

829
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: on his royalties, how he wanted to send a message

830
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: and make them take him seriously. You all bank turn again.

831
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: As Boden makes yet another loop, You ask him, why

832
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: is he buzzing the UN?

833
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: Then?

834
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: How does the UN fit into this. I'm not buzzing

835
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: the UN, he tells you. I'm buzzing Hardcourt Brace offices.

836
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: You look down and you realize that they're just a

837
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: couple blocks over from the UN. You sort of remember

838
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: seeing that building once the tower's been listening the whole time.

839
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: They tell you the UN has asked NYPD to take

840
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 3: quote positive action. You mean shoot him down, you ask,

841
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: I guess that's what they want, But that's not happening.

842
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: You're told debris would rain down on the eight thousand

843
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: people that have been evacuated and wait anxiously along the

844
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: police barricades. You just keep them talking, and you do

845
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: for hours. As Boden's fuel supply starts to get low,

846
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: you get a message. The head of Harcourt Brace, Ryan Dumain,

847
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 3: has agreed to me with this guy. You tell Bowden,

848
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: and he agrees to land his plane at LaGuardia. You

849
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: tell him you'll be right there with him the whole way.

850
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: Why does this always work?

851
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: It always works. So it really didn't because as soon

852
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: as he landed, he gets arrested. There's no meeting with

853
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: the publishers. Oh yeah, they're just like, yeah, tell me

854
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 3: if you get down here. So they yank his pilot's

855
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: license on the spot, and they charged him with aggravated harassment,

856
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: which was a New York City charge, and extortion in

857
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: interstate commerce, a federal charge.

858
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: Whep.

859
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: So that federal charge could get him twenty years and

860
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: a ten thousand dollars fine. That's like forty three grand today.

861
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: So the New York Daily News reported that the New

862
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: York Post was in on it with him what like.

863
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: They said that the paper had forget up no because

864
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: like all the other papers though, including the Post, they

865
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: asserted that this audio tape from Bowden had been delivered

866
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: to the Post that morning, right before he got in

867
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: the air. The New York Daily News was like, no,

868
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: he They've had that tape for a week and they're

869
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: the ones who coordinated. They're just telling tales anyway, the

870
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: tape that it was like this wild accusation that just

871
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: suddenly gets ignored. Totally, totally is But so this audio

872
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: tape detailed his grievances and like maybe the Post sat

873
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: on it a bit, but they eventually shared it with authorities. Okay,

874
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: Boden did a night in jail, then he got out

875
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 3: on bail. The papers were loving this, absolutely loving it.

876
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: Hardcourt Brace was not. They released a statement that said

877
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: that they had recently rejected this like ten page outline

878
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Speaker 3: that he gave them for a murder mystery. And then

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Speaker 3: but they said, quote, our relations with mister Bowden have

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00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: been correct and not unpleasant. Okay, yeah, So anyway, Harry Steinberg,

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00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 3: who he did the book reviews for Newsday, he described

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00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: the autobiography as quote an interesting story, not very well told.

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00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 3: It was the kind of book you want to for get,

884
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: kind of out you want out. So the painters all

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00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: picked up on the story of his Australian stunt as well,

886
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: and so like the speculation about his punishment was just

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Speaker 3: absolutely rampant. They also went out of their way to

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Speaker 3: portray him as insane. He's like this zany. They kept

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00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: calling him zany loopy guy. Who pulled idiotic stunts. They

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Speaker 3: used these wild pictures of him with like crazy hair.

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Speaker 2: Zane. I mean that picture like you know the screwball comedies.

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00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: I imagine like the heroines like you know, Catherine Hepburn

893
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Speaker 2: trying to drive Carrie Grant nuts. That's my picture.

894
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Speaker 3: They're just like this guy's absolutely.

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Speaker 2: This guy's threatening people with a plane.

896
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Speaker 3: But the insanity comes up again because the court ordered

897
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 3: him to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Yeah, but that gambit

898
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: that he used in the past and hold he still

899
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: he had to stand trial and a grand jury indicted

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Speaker 3: him on February fourth, nineteen eighty, but on March third,

901
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty he was acquitted of all charges by a

902
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 3: jury acquitted fully acquitted. He passed away in April of

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three, at the age of sixty five, in

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Speaker 3: San Diego. I'm not sure why he was in San Diego,

905
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Speaker 3: although he did tell the papers in New York after

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Speaker 3: the un incident that he had a house in Australia

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Speaker 3: and a house in Cucamonga, California. I'm guessing that's Rancho Cucamua, Yeah,

908
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Speaker 3: right outside of La not San Diego either way, So

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Speaker 3: I couldn't find an obituary for him in either the

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Speaker 3: US or Australia. I know, and he died because there

911
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: was a notice to creditors in the paper in Australia saying,

912
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: if you're after he died, this guy died on the

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Speaker 3: state and if you you know, get in touch if

914
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: he owes you money. So he made this wild name

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00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: for himself in life, but there's not a final tribute

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00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: to him in death, which I just think is fascinating nothing. So, Saren,

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00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: This guy makes so many interesting choices as out of

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00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: the box thinker. But I have to say say that

920
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: playing your your hits again of like, oh I didn't

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00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: get what I want. I'm going back to the skies

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Speaker 2: in a plane. I'm gonna make it right.

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Speaker 3: It made it kind of right the first time, the first.

924
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: Time it did, But that's not something. Kind of my

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00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: point is that I don't think you can repeat. I

926
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: don't think that lightning strikes twice, you know. So like

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Speaker 2: the fact that he thinks that after having such success

928
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: reading people and knowing how to play the moment, it's

929
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: like he just got old and lazy, or he just

930
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: wanted to play one of the old hits and like

931
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: go out with some glory. Remember when I did this

932
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 2: was Wild is Killed in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: I can't even talk about impulse control with him because

934
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: there's a lot of planning.

935
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he spends a lot of time thinking about a lot.

936
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 3: Of time to think, oh maybe not. But he has

937
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: that addiction to the adrenaline them it obviously and.

938
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Speaker 2: The getting away with that, and like you can't tell

939
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: me what to do?

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00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly what.

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00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: Yours, Elizabeth? What's your ridiculous take ony?

942
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: My ridiculous takeaway is this is another reason why people

943
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: shouldn't fly small planes.

944
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: No, stop it with that. That is that it's mean

945
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: and unfair to those of us who want to fly

946
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: small planes and are not musicians, so we're not at risk.

947
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 3: That's true. You know what I need right now?

948
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: What talk bag? Oh?

949
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, hit me Dave.

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00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, sp.

951
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Speaker 3: I love get.

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Speaker 4: A Elizabeth Sarah. Then producer d thanks so much for

953
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: always producing such a great show. I am that person

954
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 4: who would love to be into true crime because of

955
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: the intrigue and the narrative and the character elements, But

956
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 4: then I just can't get into it because I don't

957
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: like when dogs and cats get hurt, or people get maimed,

958
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 4: or other terrible things happen. So you guys hit that

959
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 4: perfect sweet spot where I can be entertained but still

960
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 4: fall asleep. Keep up with great work.

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Speaker 3: You're very welcome. Thank you.

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00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: Of your people wants to know if the dog or cat.

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00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: I want to make sure the animals turn out okay.

964
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Speaker 3: I want to make sure the people survive.

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00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: You're a good person, so were you.

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Speaker 3: We we do that here all the time. Twice a

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Speaker 3: week we deliver. I'm so glad that that That's right.

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Speaker 3: us online at ridiculous Crime dot com. There is not

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Speaker 3: producers are the Cruising counterfeiter Ben Bolin and Driving Dud

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