Speaker 1: Hello, is this the get Go guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's that man?
Speaker 1: Whoa it's an honor. Well I need some advice. It's
Speaker 1: a quite a it's quite a unique one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, hit me.
Speaker 1: Well, basically, I go to Afghanistan from time to time
Speaker 1: and I ended up befriending the Taliban. Long story, and
Speaker 1: I made a good amount of money from it. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I could retire from it, but I'd really
Speaker 1: put a damping out my social life because you know,
Speaker 1: I go out, I meet some new people and you know,
Speaker 1: they say they do like digital marketing or something, and
Speaker 1: they turn to me, oh, what do you do? And
Speaker 1: when I say, yeah, I like bought a tank from
Speaker 1: the Taliban and I'd sold it to an American collector.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly they run away or like they reported
Speaker 1: me with the police, or you know, they just talk
Speaker 1: about human rights and stuff. But to be honest, I
Speaker 1: kind of enjoy it, Like they're kind of like my talent.
Speaker 1: I just don't know how to talk to people. Like
Speaker 1: I've got a girlfriend. She's autistic enough to like it.
Speaker 1: What do I say when I meet to parents?
Speaker 2: You know, what's your name?
Speaker 1: Miles? We spoke before, Yeah.
Speaker 2: We've never we Okay, we've never spoken on the podcast before,
Speaker 2: but uh we DMed back and forth a little bit
Speaker 2: because you you sent me a message just shortly after
Speaker 2: I went to Iraq. You sent me a message and
Speaker 2: you were like, you said, hey, if you ever want
Speaker 2: to come to Afghanistan, I'll show you around. I own
Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden's car. And I saw that message and
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2: So I responded and we chatted back and forth a
Speaker 2: little bit, and then you sent me a bunch of
Speaker 2: crazy stuff and I was like. I was like, and
Speaker 2: we can have this conversation for sure, but we you
Speaker 2: sent me a bunch of crazy stuff and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know about this man. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Afghanistan because after Yanistan, I
Speaker 2: don't listen. I'm not going to pretend like I know
Speaker 2: a lot about Afghanistan, but like I feel like Afghanistan
Speaker 2: and Iraq are different ball games.
Speaker 1: That's true. That is true. Well, you know, if you
Speaker 1: go to North End to Ireland and you show these people,
Speaker 1: say a mobile phone, they'll think you're crazy. However, to
Speaker 1: a wise man, it's just normal technology. That's that's you
Speaker 1: view my messages to me only your southern Middlardin's car.
Speaker 1: Because what I did. I went to the village where
Speaker 1: he was and I was like, hey, buddy, hey pal,
Speaker 1: you know this car here in this photograph? Where is it?
Speaker 1: And I tracked it down and I'm like, huh, how
Speaker 1: much is this to buy? Eight thousand dollars? Okay ring ring?
Speaker 1: Hello auction house? How much would my this met worth?
Speaker 1: One point two million? And then I'm like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is great business, you know, think about it. So to me,
Speaker 1: this is nowhere and business sense really yeah.
Speaker 2: So Miles, you know, Miles, I've I've I'm not like,
Speaker 2: uh what, I've talked to a bunch of people and
Speaker 2: I've seen a bunch of stuff. So I'm willing to
Speaker 2: believe that, like, uh, whatever whoever you are and whatever
Speaker 2: you're doing is authentic. I'm willing to believe. I'm I'm more,
Speaker 2: I genuinely mean this, willing to believe that you owned
Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden's car and that you are this guy
Speaker 2: than than that you're pulling a prank on me. But
Speaker 2: I do I I let's start from the very beginning.
Speaker 2: So how do you not scare the hose. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: get into that, but I want to know. Hold, well,
Speaker 2: come on, we'll get into that. Let's let's go from
Speaker 2: the start, from the beginning. How old are you?
Speaker 1: Miles twenty six but my hairline saints forty?
Speaker 2: And uh, where are you from? Originally?
Speaker 1: Unfortunately the very dangerous play. I'm kind of used to that.
Speaker 1: I'm from this place called Birmingham. It's like the Detroit
Speaker 1: of England.
Speaker 2: And how did you start going to Afghanistan?
Speaker 1: Well? I kind of went there by accident. So I
Speaker 1: was about to start this job and they had this
Speaker 1: program during COVID where they'll pay for your holiday beforehand
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, get you ready for insane hours.
Speaker 1: But because it was COVID, there were only two options.
Speaker 1: One was Albania and one was Afghanistan. So I decided
Speaker 1: to go to Afghanistan. And then three days later the
Speaker 1: Taliban took over and I was kind of stuck there
Speaker 1: with the military, so I just kind of walked around
Speaker 1: for Selvy stick and filmed some of it. It was
Speaker 1: kind of fun and I've never drank alohol before that,
Speaker 1: but its photos and me doing shots with the British
Speaker 1: military before we got evacuated. I mean that was kind
Speaker 1: of like my first taste of it.
Speaker 2: And how did you make friends with the Taliban?
Speaker 1: Well, I had this tour guide who was there with
Speaker 1: me at the time, and he kept begging me in
Speaker 1: my DMS afterwards, saying he's gonna be killed by the Taliban.
Speaker 1: So I planned to get him out by smuggling him
Speaker 1: to Pakistans I guess human trafficking technically, but in a
Speaker 1: wholesome way, and I flew back there, and then when
Speaker 1: I got in the country, he basically backed out chicken
Speaker 1: now the last second. So I ended up going to
Speaker 1: this hotel. There wasn't a hotel. I walked into a
Speaker 1: Taliban compound by accident, and then we just watched cricket
Speaker 1: together around TV and ate food and it was kind
Speaker 1: of chill. And then I saw some Taliban merge that
Speaker 1: they gave to me, and I started sending it on eBay,
Speaker 1: like flags, Mirsberry patches, stuff like that, like uniforms and stuff,
Speaker 1: and autistic people really liked that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, why did why did the tour guide ask
Speaker 2: you for help getting away from the Taliban?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. You had a really bad taste
Speaker 1: in I guess people. I guess that's why he got captured.
Speaker 1: He just wasn't good at decision making. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think he's doing fine now. I think he finally got
Speaker 1: the US. But I think he's stund like a year
Speaker 1: in jail or something because he used to work for
Speaker 1: the Americans.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and where are you calling me from? Are
Speaker 2: you in England right now?
Speaker 1: Unfortunately? Yeah, it's three dangerous here, Honesley.
Speaker 2: And you go back and forth between England and Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically. I know the CEO of the Afghan National
Speaker 1: Airline and he jokes a flight from Kabalta London would
Speaker 1: count it as a domestic flight.
Speaker 2: Oh why, what's the joke?
Speaker 1: Well, the same type of people are there, and sometimes
Speaker 1: in London you just get stabbed. And sometimes I'm walking
Speaker 1: around London and there's this language that the Taliban speak.
Speaker 1: It's very a sting language called Pashtu, and I speak
Speaker 1: some of it, you know, you pick it up and
Speaker 1: I'm walking down the streets of London randomly and I
Speaker 1: just hear it. I just hear it, and I have
Speaker 1: like vinam slashbacks of the Taliban and I can tell
Speaker 1: that guy is Askhan and we kind of lock eyes sometimes.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm in this Afghanistan restaurant in Cabul and
Speaker 1: then some guy would come up to me and he
Speaker 1: speaks perfect English and he goes, oh, yeah, I'm Taliban.
Speaker 1: I live in London. And once I went to the
Speaker 1: village or somewhere Billaden called Tora Bora. I went there
Speaker 1: food relief efforts, and one guy showed me a selfie
Speaker 1: of him in front of Big Ben and he's like ice.
Speaker 1: He was like, former isis? So I looked mortified, and
Speaker 1: he's just laughing and walks away. It's kind of an
Speaker 1: concerning I don't even know what to do about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is your main job. How do you
Speaker 2: make a living? How do you exist?
Speaker 1: Well, I buy something the cheap and I sell it
Speaker 1: more and she's honest, our money is good. I means again,
Speaker 1: or someone belongs car eight thousand dollars probably twenty thousand
Speaker 1: on exporting a bunch of random.
Speaker 2: But also I assume Wassamon Land probably had many cars.
Speaker 2: So this is one. This is not like like it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Like I believe you because I feel sure?
Speaker 2: Why not? I mean, I've met I'm aware of the
Speaker 2: existence of like people like you who just get are you?
Speaker 2: Are you autistic?
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think?
Speaker 2: What do I think?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: Well, you keep alluding to it. I would assume it
Speaker 2: would be real here.
Speaker 1: It's kind of you know. I mean if you said yes,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked, Like what normal normal person comes
Speaker 1: up with this? You know?
Speaker 2: So you are Are you making this up? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, it's definitely true. Remember I sent you pictures
Speaker 1: and I think Google my name is you?
Speaker 2: Actually? Hold on, I'm up our chats because you did
Speaker 2: send me. But did you send me pictures of you?
Speaker 1: I think I did. I just send you some pictures
Speaker 1: right now, actually, let me just get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I remember you Ward Miles something on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember you. Okay, yeah, here you.
Speaker 1: Go, there you go, let me pictures.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I remember yeah, why do you? Okay, I
Speaker 2: remember this exactly. Yeah, that's the picture of you. Okay,
Speaker 2: I see you and then yeah you sent me.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I watched you when I was in Taliban jail.
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of internet access, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's you're kind of funny. Thanks man. Thanks, Yeah,
Speaker 2: here's a picture of you with a SpongeBob tapestry with
Speaker 2: with the Taliban.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they They have a growing in bart sector,
Speaker 1: the injured. The economy is booming obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you are one hundred percent. I I unless
Speaker 2: if you're using AI to fuck with me, which I'm
Speaker 2: not even I'm not gonna get I think you're telling
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sometimes it kind of feels a bit bizarre,
Speaker 1: even on my end. But no, definitely telling the truth.
Speaker 1: There's some there's some articles about me online. You know,
Speaker 1: I've got a Twitter account where I post pictures of it,
Speaker 1: of everything.
Speaker 2: What's the hell do I find this article?
Speaker 1: So let me send you something. I'll send you a link, okay.
Speaker 2: Send text okay, texted to me, texted to me. Don't
Speaker 2: send it to me on the DM because I can't
Speaker 2: look at I don't I can't find that ship I
Speaker 2: got you. I mean, actually I can't. I send it
Speaker 2: on either one. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Like this one's quite funny. I'll stinger this now, rip
Speaker 1: my phone bill, let's see. Okay, all right, I'm to
Speaker 1: think I'm going to send you a few Yeah.
Speaker 2: Here we go. YouTuber Lord Miles says he is willing
Speaker 2: to pay Isis one hundred thousand pounds if they can
Speaker 2: take him out in England.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got threatened by ISIS. So I kind
Speaker 1: of put a bounty on my head and for eight
Speaker 1: months I had like a cold storage white like like
Speaker 1: some physical bitcoin around my neck to the value of
Speaker 1: one hundred cane. I just walked around. So if Isis
Speaker 1: could kill me, yeah, they could just take the bounty.
Speaker 1: But they didn't. Bitches. You know, they kind of ruined
Speaker 1: my haliday sometimes. And yeah, they threatened me in Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: so I just keep threatening them back. And whilst I
Speaker 1: was in Taliban jail, I got to slap one. That's
Speaker 1: a whole other story the yeah.
Speaker 2: Why did you? Oh yeah, here's okay, here's a bb
Speaker 2: there's a BBC article h four British men freed after
Speaker 2: Afghanistan detention. Oh fuck, yeah, dude, you're insane. Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: because I know a lot of people are probably listening
Speaker 2: to this thinking that you're no, you're yeah, you're real. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: you want see some selfish in me in jail? No,
Speaker 2: I mean some of what you want, but I'm I'm
Speaker 2: more interested in talking to you, Okay, Yeah, Like this
Speaker 2: is a picture Miles, like, I say, your last name
Speaker 2: previously said he traveled to Afghanistan because he enjoyed. Okay,
Speaker 2: so yeah, you went to fucking yeah, you totally are
Speaker 2: not lying to me. You went to Taliban jail.
Speaker 1: I mean, it happens the best.
Speaker 2: But you know, why did why how did you end
Speaker 2: up in Taliban jail?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, so it's leged allegedly I was weapons feeling.
Speaker 1: I was apparently allegedly buying up weapons from the Taliban
Speaker 1: and selling them to Ukraine. But you know, there's no
Speaker 1: evidence I went through a bit. But also there were
Speaker 1: there were three other British men and they were basically
Speaker 1: all spies, and I stayed at the same hotel as one.
Speaker 1: So the Taliban put two and two together and thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this British guy, this Miles guy, I might be a spy.
Speaker 1: And also I was starting a gold mine in the
Speaker 1: country and I didn't have a permit to go to
Speaker 1: a certain region, so I got in trouble. But then
Speaker 1: I've got the I is real recognized as real. And
Speaker 1: then about month and dinto my imprisonment, they start like
Speaker 1: treating me like royalty. It's quite nice, you know, and
Speaker 1: eventually I treated like the networking events and they led
Speaker 1: me like even my guards were told. I was told
Speaker 1: by the commander that my guards were now my servants.
Speaker 1: So I would actually give them some money, so I
Speaker 1: call cash on me. I would give them me for
Speaker 1: my prison cell, and they would bring me anything I want.
Speaker 1: So I had like my gaming laptop without internet access
Speaker 1: for a while, and I would just sit back and
Speaker 1: chill and play video games like my guards. The photo
Speaker 1: I send you on Instagram, my guards let me have
Speaker 1: one of their weapons and I chase them around the
Speaker 1: compounds with their own weapon, and they were screaming like
Speaker 1: little girls. And to be honest, it was kind of
Speaker 1: a lad's harday, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Miles, Yeah, so I mean to go back
Speaker 2: to what you were saying initially, there's really no way
Speaker 2: that you're going to be able to have a conversation
Speaker 2: with a normal person without them getting freaked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's kind of my fear. You know, how
Speaker 1: do I how do I kind of channel this into
Speaker 1: a normal career. You know, it's just some wording unkey use.
Speaker 1: Can I just perhaps never talk about him? Live a
Speaker 1: double life? Almost?
Speaker 2: How do you channel this into your normal career.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I just can't relate to normal people.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure you can't. Do you have a
Speaker 2: weird Europe? You have a weird existence. I don't know how.
Speaker 2: I listen. I don't know how you got there. I
Speaker 2: don't know what you're thinking. But I also but Miles,
Speaker 2: I believe what's the thing. What's the Jesus thing about?
Speaker 2: Like that? You can't there's nowhere too far? You can't
Speaker 2: come go? You can come home? Yeah, I believe you
Speaker 2: can come. You can come home, you can. I don't
Speaker 2: do you want to be a normal I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's up with you, Miles. Do you
Speaker 2: want to just be like a normal guy? Like you
Speaker 2: go to like, listen, here's the thing. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is. And I just fully believe you because
Speaker 2: a I've been a version of you, not like I
Speaker 2: don't I don't really want to hang out with the Taliban.
Speaker 2: I think you know what. I'm not going to talk
Speaker 2: to you about that, but uh, you know, yeah whatever
Speaker 2: doing weird stuff. And then like I've also met people
Speaker 2: like you have like whatever, but yeah, you see you
Speaker 2: want to just what like what do you want to
Speaker 2: do with your life. I mean, you're a young guy, Like, well,
Speaker 2: how do you do you want to keep doing this
Speaker 2: crazy crap or do you want to? Like what do
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Well? I did plan a coup for long story, but
Speaker 1: I even want to do very grand things all the
Speaker 1: same time. I just want to I guess I want
Speaker 1: to strike up a conversation with someone and then within
Speaker 1: a few days they don't google my name and find
Speaker 1: something weird, you know, so I'd have to create another identity,
Speaker 1: or you know, I can just lessen the impact of
Speaker 1: this whole thing. I don't know. I want. I want
Speaker 1: to be able to start new friendships without people fan
Speaker 1: going over me, if that makes sense. You know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of one sided double ways. I go to church
Speaker 1: and then you know, the people go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what'd you do this time? Oh tell me about it?
Speaker 1: And I go, oh, let me. Maybe you should tell
Speaker 1: me about yourself sometime, like nonsense. My life is boring
Speaker 1: and they just tell me about big songs about me
Speaker 1: and increas a weird dynamic, you know, because when you
Speaker 1: when you go out, when you go out, you tell
Speaker 1: people you dress as a gecko. Right, Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: I'll assume you actually no getto right. I don't know, however,
Speaker 1: you know it kind of a I guess the normal
Speaker 1: people that kind of creates a weird dynamic and either
Speaker 1: they like you for money or fame or you know,
Speaker 1: at tension.
Speaker 2: See what I mean, I know exactly what you're trying
Speaker 2: to say. Uh, And I have a lot of thoughts
Speaker 2: on it is okay, like yeah, sure, Like I'll like,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, like sure, I'll go out and talk
Speaker 2: to people and then it'll come up that I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, go to interesting places as a gecko, and
Speaker 2: they'll want to talk about it, and then like, I'll
Speaker 2: talk about it for a little bit and then I'll
Speaker 2: be like, what do you do? How's your life? You know,
Speaker 2: and then we'll start talking about that. I mean, it'll
Speaker 2: just be a normal conversation. Can I ask you this
Speaker 2: and be honest with asked? Just and it's okay, by
Speaker 2: the way, just there's no shame and no judgment. Do
Speaker 2: you when you tell people? Because listen, you do a
Speaker 2: thing and you know you do it. You did it
Speaker 2: to me and I do a version of it. But
Speaker 2: when you say to someone at a party or whatever,
Speaker 2: you say, yeah, I sold I once sold Osama bin
Speaker 2: Laden's car. Uh, They're gonna be like what you know,
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna start telling them about all this
Speaker 2: Taliban stuff and like listen, but at any point in time,
Speaker 2: they're gonna have of course, they're gonna have a lot
Speaker 2: of questions. At any point in time, you can just
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, but what's going on with you? And
Speaker 2: you can just not stop you stop talking about it
Speaker 2: if they want. You can let them lead if they
Speaker 2: want to talk about it, but eventually they're gonna not
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you listen, you have an infinite
Speaker 2: amount of crazy uh stuff that you can talk about it.
Speaker 2: But if you don't, if that's not what I feel like,
Speaker 2: and look, correct me if I'm tell me it, be honestly,
Speaker 2: do you secretly like it? It's okay if you do.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's just
Speaker 2: a body who you are. But do you like being
Speaker 2: do you like the attention?
Speaker 1: I do to some degree, though you know, it only
Speaker 1: goes so far as that makes sense, and it kind
Speaker 1: of it kind of yo yos. You know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like sometimes it's like it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess if it's a if. It's like if you're
Speaker 1: a handsome person, I guess people talk to you and
Speaker 1: you like the intention, and then you wonder do people
Speaker 1: actually like you for you or just for the nice face.
Speaker 1: I guess, like, for example, I made some new friends once,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're hanging out for like two weeks
Speaker 1: on and off and always good in the world, and
Speaker 1: they don't know what I do. I just evaded to it.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly, when uber I'm a front seat to
Speaker 1: bear of him back, I get a phone call from
Speaker 1: like the head of foreign intelligence of the Taliban of
Speaker 1: the GDI, and it's like on a FaceTime call and
Speaker 1: he just sts chatting to me. He's dressed in you know,
Speaker 1: a robe and everything he ever, he has like an
Speaker 1: ak in a video. He's speaking to me, and I forget,
Speaker 1: you know, the people behind me don't know what I do.
Speaker 1: So I speak to him for two minutes. I look
Speaker 1: backwards and then mortified, and then the friends you're bended.
Speaker 1: It's like it's unavoidable, you know, Okay, Well, and now
Speaker 1: I can't excuse the long absences either, Like where'd you
Speaker 1: go for the last three months? Oh? Just abroad doing
Speaker 1: what where's the photos. It's like, ah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like being a retarded spider man almost. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone thinks should something else? You know you have to.
Speaker 2: But but okay, so now, well now we're on a
Speaker 2: bunch of different things, right, because if you're telling here's
Speaker 2: the thing, and it sounds like I don't have okay, okay,
Speaker 2: it sounds like I don't have to explain to you
Speaker 2: why working for the Taliban might make it difficult for
Speaker 2: you to make friends with normal people.
Speaker 1: That's true, but you're telling me.
Speaker 2: But you're telling me. You're telling me that you would
Speaker 2: like to live a normal life. So listen, if you
Speaker 2: want to live a normal life, you're probably gonna have
Speaker 2: to give up working for the Taliban.
Speaker 1: Oh shucks, but you already knew that. I guess, but
Speaker 1: that's true. But it's like, I guess that's a w
Speaker 1: I do. I guess. Oh, you just help me realize something.
Speaker 1: I guess that's my entire density at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just need to I need to create a new thing.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, I like you see him. And
Speaker 2: by the way, I I it's so funny because I'm like, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm looking. I'm looking at these articles you sent me,
Speaker 2: and you're not lying to me. You're telling me the truth.
Speaker 2: I believe you one hundred There's a lot more.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like, what's who's Epstein without the island? You know?
Speaker 2: But okay, but okay, let me level with you on this. Okay,
Speaker 2: you clearly are a little insane, thank you, and you
Speaker 2: like doing insane stuff. But can I can I introduce
Speaker 2: you to the possibility that you can still do grand, insane,
Speaker 2: weird uh stuff that you feel excited to talk to
Speaker 2: other people about that makes you feel like you're living
Speaker 2: a grand, adventurous life that doesn't involve working for the Taliban.
Speaker 1: I guess I mean I did. I did kind of
Speaker 1: have a stint in Ukraine and that was good. Everyone
Speaker 1: gave me positive reception for that. You know when you
Speaker 1: tell when you when you mentioned like normal people at
Speaker 1: your friends with Taliban, you know it kind of it
Speaker 1: doesn't You don't usually get positive reaction, you know, you don't,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: What were you doing? I was also just in Ukraine?
Speaker 2: What were you doing in Ukraine?
Speaker 1: Oh? I shouldn't admit this, screw it? Okay, So I
Speaker 1: was in Ukraine as the war begun, and then I
Speaker 1: faked a press pass, so I basically got my university lanyard,
Speaker 1: and then I went in MS Paints and I created
Speaker 1: this terrible like press pass and I printed out on
Speaker 1: like black and white paper, glued it with Elmo glue
Speaker 1: over my university lanyard, and then just like put it
Speaker 1: on a lanyard around my neck. And then I would
Speaker 1: go near the front lines or checkpoints and it's flash
Speaker 1: it and I dress apart and it was the early
Speaker 1: days of the war, so they just didn't care, so
Speaker 1: he just let me through. And I like streamed most
Speaker 1: of this too, and I ended up being in the
Speaker 1: front lines of the war and my car broke down
Speaker 1: during curfew, so I'm walking around. I get ambushed and
Speaker 1: then I joined this random unit. We're going through a school,
Speaker 1: you know, hiding I guess. We basically get bombarded with
Speaker 1: I guess artillery. I school collapsed on top of us
Speaker 1: when we're in the basement. I walked through the underground
Speaker 1: rail network in Karkiff to get back to the city
Speaker 1: and then I, yeah Cargiff and then I go back
Speaker 1: to Polands. We buy a second car and then we
Speaker 1: just drive food aid in and then drive refugees out,
Speaker 1: and that got positive reception. I'm trying good.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you joined you joined a random I'm sorry
Speaker 2: you joined a random unit of Ukrainians.
Speaker 1: Or just for like a few nights, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Was I didn't know. I didn't I was just trying.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to clarify which which society you
Speaker 2: were fighting on.
Speaker 1: I've been advited to Russia, but I've got to be honest.
Speaker 1: I don't trust him. You know, I'm not really Russian
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm sure you have. I'm sure you have. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm sure like I mean yeah, that's like
Speaker 2: you were basically like a volunteer soldier on the side
Speaker 2: of Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Well, I could think it's a friend that actually joined
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian Army. So his name's Will and he's British.
Speaker 1: He's in the front lines and he's killed like thirty
Speaker 1: five Russians. He works as a drone part and he
Speaker 1: just sends me like you know, like you know, when
Speaker 1: you score on the Instagram reels he come across like
Speaker 1: a live leak video. He creates his own. Basically, he
Speaker 1: just sends me footage of him like drawing striking Russians,
Speaker 1: and I think, why have I created? You know, so,
Speaker 1: even in the goodness of my heart, when I was
Speaker 1: doing good, charitable things, it basically created twenty five murders.
Speaker 1: I understand it's war, but like I think I'm kind
Speaker 1: of responsible for that.
Speaker 2: Miles, I'm gonna bring I'm gonna let's really myles, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna really back in. Okay, Yeah, So, and you know
Speaker 2: what I don't I've I've I've confirmed that you're telling
Speaker 2: me the truth. And I'm gonna also assume that you're
Speaker 2: genuinely asking me to work this, work through this, like.
Speaker 1: What what what should I do for a lifestyle?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, you're clearly addicted tom to quote the lot
Speaker 2: to quote a line from the Grand Theft Auto five trailer,
Speaker 2: You're clearly addicted to chaos. And I think there are
Speaker 2: way if you you're clearly addicted to chaos, which is
Speaker 2: not an inherently bad thing. I am also clearly addicted
Speaker 2: to chaos in a lot of ways, and it's made
Speaker 2: a lot of normal life things hard for me. And
Speaker 2: I've tried to find and I've actually gotten pretty good
Speaker 2: at figuring out how to structure my life in such
Speaker 2: a way that I can feed my desires for chaos
Speaker 2: but also live some my own version of a conventional
Speaker 2: normal life. I think that you should find ways to
Speaker 2: feed your desire for chaos that like, you know, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: I think work for the Taliban is probably a bad idea.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a bad idea.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's true. It kind of has playing
Speaker 1: me good money. But you know, I can just end
Speaker 1: it like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, but if it's mezing, I guess. But listen,
Speaker 2: if it's made you good money, yeah, listen, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: If you've been doing this and it's made you good
Speaker 2: money and you're out, it's You're like, it's like being
Speaker 2: a fucking gangster man. It's like, it's like you're out.
Speaker 2: If you're out of the game, you get out of
Speaker 2: the game alive, right, And now you're like, and now
Speaker 2: what I'm hearing from you is both this thing of
Speaker 2: a I want to I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm hearing this few, but I'm gona assume it from you.
Speaker 2: It's like a I want to devote my life to
Speaker 2: things that are more ethical, uh, and then be I
Speaker 2: want to devote my life to like I just want
Speaker 2: to be like a normal ass guy with like a
Speaker 2: girlfriend and friends who's not like, uh, you know, scaring
Speaker 2: people away by telling them that I'm working for the Taliban,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I think you can
Speaker 2: do those two things. And I think and I think
Speaker 2: that if you take your money right and you're like,
Speaker 2: all right, let me just stay right there, and then
Speaker 2: you go, Okay, well, how can I use my capital
Speaker 2: now to do things that are ethical and nice and
Speaker 2: also like set me up for some sort of normal existence.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of creative answers to those questions,
Speaker 2: and like, listen, man, there's all sorts of like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of great adventures out there for you to
Speaker 2: have that don't involve working for the Taliban. And then
Speaker 2: also if you want to like go fucking you know,
Speaker 2: decide what your base city is, right, Like you want
Speaker 2: to just live in Birmingham and have friends and like
Speaker 2: go to the bar. You don't want to live in
Speaker 2: or move to London moved to go find like a
Speaker 2: community of people somewhere. Go join a community of people somewhere, Like,
Speaker 2: go go somewhere where you can like, uh, fuck it, like,
Speaker 2: what do you like to do? Man? You like playing
Speaker 2: video game? Like like, okay, I clearly listen, you clearly
Speaker 2: like doing a bunch of crazy insane shit, But like,
Speaker 2: what do you like doing? That's normal? You like playing
Speaker 2: video games? What else?
Speaker 1: Because I like, I played four Nice Little Bits Wolst
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia recently. I like reading books, I like
Speaker 1: going to coffee shops and just I guess, just doom
Speaker 1: scrolling a little bit. Okay, Oh god, I actually have
Speaker 1: no real hobbies. Oh god, what kind of du No?
Speaker 2: No, you kind of do? You have no video games? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You like you like traveling, I guess.
Speaker 1: But like, that's a white woman in the early twenties
Speaker 1: on Instagram thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, but also yeah, but you're also white
Speaker 2: in your twenties doing it. It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm a basic like woman.
Speaker 2: No, that's true, and so it's gonna be a basic
Speaker 2: white way. Why is it?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: Why are replacing We're placing judgment values on things for
Speaker 2: no reason? Can I tell you something? Because here's the
Speaker 2: thing I'm sure you've interacted, like, because listen, do you
Speaker 2: feel the way I listen, I'm trying to like approach
Speaker 2: you because I'm being I'm being like, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be really genuine ingenuous with you because I believe you,
Speaker 2: and I believe that you're like I believe you're making
Speaker 2: a genuine appeal. And so there's been plenty of times
Speaker 2: right when you're talking, because you said you seem like
Speaker 2: you're placing a lot of value judgments on things. There's
Speaker 2: plenty of times where you're like talking to some lady
Speaker 2: and she's looking at you like this guy is like insane,
Speaker 2: and you're looking at her like she's basic, and it's
Speaker 2: like just drop everything and just exist, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like take away the fucking the the veils
Speaker 2: of everything for like a second here and just exist.
Speaker 2: What do you want to do? It's okay to travel
Speaker 2: and run around and be like, oh, I want to
Speaker 2: connect with people. I want to have weird novel experiences
Speaker 2: that are interesting to talk about. There's like ethical, productive,
Speaker 2: safe ways to do that that won't leave you with
Speaker 2: this life that makes you be like, oh, I'm like
Speaker 2: this weird, like Pariah e crazy, I have no ground.
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta like you can you can live
Speaker 2: that life, but do it on the foundation of something
Speaker 2: that like just grounds you into fucking reality, because it
Speaker 2: sounds like you've just been in in outer space for
Speaker 2: pretty much all of your adult life, you know. And
Speaker 2: and and I kind of know a little bit, but
Speaker 2: I've never worked for the Taliban, but I I I
Speaker 2: kind of know a little bit what that feels like,
Speaker 2: you know. So just just.
Speaker 1: Just a lot of overlap with being a geck go,
Speaker 1: I get that.
Speaker 2: Little but like, just you know, I believe. I believe
Speaker 2: that you can create a life where you feel grounded
Speaker 2: and as if you can connect with other people, but
Speaker 2: can also feed your chaotic desires in a way that
Speaker 2: is not destructive to yourself and society.
Speaker 1: I did have one project, and you know, the legacy
Speaker 1: means a lot to me. I want people to hopefully
Speaker 1: remember me one day. And the positive thing is not
Speaker 1: just being friends with itally birds, you know. And I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to start my own country, and I have
Speaker 1: Oh why not, you know, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't I think it's possible, but also you know, I
Speaker 1: just think I just think it has to end a disaster,
Speaker 1: you know. Wow, Well, I think it always happens to
Speaker 1: some degree, Like I started a goal mine in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Eight months jail, I go to Saudi Arabia. I spent
Speaker 1: three months there, you know, because they suspect on a terrorists.
Speaker 1: Long long story, you know. See, things just seem to follow.
Speaker 1: So what I was considering is, you know that Haiti
Speaker 1: is in a state of like borganization right now, a
Speaker 1: bunch of civil wars due to different terroristic factions fighting
Speaker 1: each other and capitalizing one another and eating children as such.
Speaker 2: Right maybe I don't know, I don't sure, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the state. Well, there's an island of north
Speaker 1: called Tortica, and you might know if from prior to
Speaker 1: the Caribbean, and it had a population of like ten
Speaker 1: thousand people, and they want separation from rest of Haiti.
Speaker 1: It's got a bunch of oil up north, and it
Speaker 1: has the highest deposits of iridium on the mainland, So
Speaker 1: a bunch of yummy minerals. And I'm thinking, I mean
Speaker 1: speaking to some of these people through Airbnb and some
Speaker 1: contacts I have on the island, and I think with
Speaker 1: about fifteen million dollars, I can create a coup on
Speaker 1: the island and basically install new government and declare independence
Speaker 1: because all the factions on the mainland are constantly fighting,
Speaker 1: I need to raise a little bit more money. But yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Said, you didd fifteen million dollars total.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's to sustain a population of two thousand foreigners,
Speaker 1: so American, Europeans, whatever, in order to defend the island
Speaker 1: against any attack and also build enough infrastructure to be
Speaker 1: self sustaining within two years roughly.
Speaker 2: So what you would do is you would go to
Speaker 2: to what is this call I don't called Tortuga.
Speaker 1: Tortiga, Tortilla. So if you look on a map of Haiti,
Speaker 1: it's twenty miles in length roughly up north from Haiti,
Speaker 1: like a tiny, low sliver of an island, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean you look at a British Virgin Islands saying
Speaker 1: hits neighbors.
Speaker 2: It's a little yeah, it's a bit of okay, see
Speaker 2: you So okay. So you're telling me that there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of people on the island of Tortiga that want
Speaker 2: independence from Haiti, and you're thinking about going down there, uh,
Speaker 2: gathering enough money to start a coup and basically starting
Speaker 2: a war of independence from the island of Uh Tortiga
Speaker 2: against uh, the Haitian government, and I basically you would
Speaker 2: head that revolution and then uh hopefully in your plan,
Speaker 2: you would win and then declare a new country. That's
Speaker 2: that's your project.
Speaker 1: Basically as you do. Well, okay, here's the thing. There's
Speaker 1: no there's no guns on the actual island itself. It's
Speaker 1: not even got a police station. So you need to
Speaker 1: fund in that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to fund the independence war yourself. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that'll yeah, yeah, I think that'll. I think that'll scare
Speaker 2: the hose for sure, if you if that's your new plan,
Speaker 2: if that if that's what you were talking about not
Speaker 2: wanting to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but then do the hose even have I
Speaker 1: guess a a an option, because you know, if I'm
Speaker 1: a world leader on an island, if I quite loosely
Speaker 1: am part of the UN or own a micronation, I
Speaker 1: think that's your I think I think they'll scare many hose,
Speaker 1: but also many hoses like that.
Speaker 2: In general. As a genuine question. Yeah, first of all,
Speaker 2: I still one hundred sent believe you that this is
Speaker 2: a project to think about doing, and I also believe
Speaker 2: you probably are You could probably figure out how to
Speaker 2: get that money if you're hanging out. Uh, well but listen, listen, listen, listen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you said you're already you're already independently, Well, you already
Speaker 2: have fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: No, a few million, but not fifteen million.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you could easily figure out how to raise
Speaker 2: that money.
Speaker 1: Not easily, but I think it's worth exploring, and I
Speaker 1: think it's possible. You know, you hear people raising money
Speaker 1: for some dumb fuck app on social media, and you know,
Speaker 1: becoming a five hundred million dollar business withalue of launching.
Speaker 1: I feel like countries make money.
Speaker 2: Are you afraid of dying? Though? Like, if you do this,
Speaker 2: you might get like killed.
Speaker 1: This is going to sound, it's going to sound a
Speaker 1: little bit messed up, kind of excited forward to the
Speaker 1: most I'm found of excited. I'm I'm quite religiously Christian,
Speaker 1: So I believe if I die, if I've done things correctly,
Speaker 1: if I pray enough engineer repent, I go to heaven. Right,
Speaker 1: So I've got to be honest. I'm just tired, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit tired. You know, I've been in
Speaker 1: prisoned a few times. I actually have no criminal record, bizarrely,
Speaker 1: and you know, dealing with these people from the Taliban
Speaker 1: to the North Koreans to Ukrainians and everything in between.
Speaker 1: And you know, again he shot out a few times
Speaker 1: and so on, you kind of to get a bit
Speaker 1: worn out. And of course, you know, I guess if
Speaker 1: you part of the army, you have, you know, someone
Speaker 1: directing you, so you kind of just follow instructions. But
Speaker 1: I have to do everything as I go, and then obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, it's obviously a bit lonely again.
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: I'm in the city and I literally hear the voices
Speaker 1: of the Taliban sometimes walking down the street, and if
Speaker 1: I start speaking back to them in that language, they
Speaker 1: look bewildered. And I can't see to a normal person
Speaker 1: the I'm a white person, a British person who I
Speaker 1: could relate to. And then some of my friends are
Speaker 1: just friends of me because I have money and they're
Speaker 1: just lady bumps. I've got to be honest. And then
Speaker 1: you know, when I when I meet my girlfriend's parents,
Speaker 1: you know that's gonna be tough too. And sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole lifestyle obviously will damage relationships. When I went
Speaker 1: to prison, Babe in Taliban jail, kind of ended one
Speaker 1: my relationships, you know, And I don't blame her, because
Speaker 1: you know, if your boyfriend's Taliban jail, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a kind of tough to maintain a relationship. Taliban actually
Speaker 1: offered conjugal visits, but I said, no, that's a bit weird,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, it's a bit of a weird
Speaker 1: dynamic create Miles.
Speaker 2: Miles, Yeah, if I are you can I ask you, Cassie,
Speaker 2: if he thinks one is are you are you? Are
Speaker 2: you actually open to any perspective I might offer you
Speaker 2: on this. I'm gonna offer, but I'm curious I could
Speaker 2: genuinely I I'm gonna assume you mean that genuinely.
Speaker 1: No, genuinely, I wouldn't be calling you if I wouldn't
Speaker 1: waste your time, basically.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Miles. I believe that if you're like going
Speaker 2: out to the front line, I mean, if you're going
Speaker 2: out to the front lines of Ukraine and you're like
Speaker 2: doing all this up with the Taliban, I believe, first
Speaker 2: of all, I believe you. I believe that all this
Speaker 2: stuff happens. I believe that you have a thing in
Speaker 2: you that, uh, whether it's because of your disposition or
Speaker 2: because of your religion or whatever. I believe you have
Speaker 2: something in you that's really tired and doesn't care if
Speaker 2: you die. And I believe that if you really wanted to,
Speaker 2: you could totally figure out a way to go down
Speaker 2: to the island of Tortuga and fund an independent military
Speaker 2: coup against the government and start your own country, and
Speaker 2: that you might totally get kidnapped or die in the
Speaker 2: process of doing that. Like I don't, I really don't
Speaker 2: think you're fucking with me. And I just want to
Speaker 2: say to you because you like, I feel like the
Speaker 2: fact that you're calling me and asking me for advice
Speaker 2: on this means some part within you doesn't want to
Speaker 2: die or doesn't want to like like that you you're
Speaker 2: just tired, and you're just like, fuck, man, my life
Speaker 2: has been so fucking weird and I can't relate to
Speaker 2: anybody because if I talk to anybody about this stuff,
Speaker 2: like it's I just feel insane, Like there's just my
Speaker 2: life has just been so fucking weird that there's no
Speaker 2: place for me anymore. So the only option that I
Speaker 2: have is to do this other grand, insane thing that
Speaker 2: might result in my death. And like, listen, man, you
Speaker 2: could do that, but like me personally, I would enjoy
Speaker 2: seeing the version of Lord Miles that lives to his thirties, forties, fifties,
Speaker 2: sixties and seventies, having found a way to channel his
Speaker 2: energy into something where you can still be a businessman
Speaker 2: and you can still do things that are exciting but
Speaker 2: not fucking die or challenge dangerous government's head on. You know, Like,
Speaker 2: I just don't want you to like do a bunch
Speaker 2: of reckless shit just because you don't care about your life,
Speaker 2: like like I think you do. I think you do
Speaker 2: care about your life, you know.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, I've had some friends for
Speaker 1: three or four years and they haven't said anything like that,
Speaker 1: and they haven't had as much respective that you have.
Speaker 1: You've honestly told me things that you know I could
Speaker 1: articulate mentally, but that makes perfect sense. And honestly, you
Speaker 1: give me better a boce and a lot of people
Speaker 1: I've known for many years. You are great and it's
Speaker 1: why I called you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, of course, man.
Speaker 4: I mean it's just like I just think, like you're
Speaker 4: twenty six, man, Like there's there's whatever the fuck your
Speaker 4: life has been so far, there's something after it I
Speaker 4: mean it'll be really you know, I mean, like.
Speaker 2: Like listen, I've I've maybe it's because I went to you.
Speaker 2: I did not I have not been to the front
Speaker 2: lines of Ukraine and I've not been to Afghanistan. But
Speaker 2: like I've like you're but like, you know, whatever, I've
Speaker 2: met people, I've read things like nothing you're saying is
Speaker 2: like what There's no way that any of that could
Speaker 2: possibly be true? Like we live in an insane universe,
Speaker 2: and I think it's maybe hard for uh people to
Speaker 2: grasp that, and it's going to be hard for people
Speaker 2: to grasp that for you. But I think if you
Speaker 2: just like kind of approach the rest of your life
Speaker 2: like humbly, you know, you there's there's there is life
Speaker 2: beyond whatever your life has been, uh thus far, you
Speaker 2: just have to kind of find of, Yes, you have
Speaker 2: a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, she's wonderful. She's she's ansty great she so
Speaker 1: she basically just DMed me. I've got a little bit
Speaker 1: of a following. She DM me and we've just been
Speaker 1: talking ever since. She's very sweet. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go too much detail. There's some weird people out there
Speaker 1: that might try and you know, doc her or something.
Speaker 1: But she's just she's just wonderful. I talk about her
Speaker 1: for hours. She's she's anaty, the best. I want to
Speaker 1: give her everything, and you know, I just want children someday,
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. I want to get married. I
Speaker 1: want to give her cute little things I want to do,
Speaker 1: you know, boyfriend and girlfriend stuff together. You know, I
Speaker 1: just want to make her happy basically, And you know,
Speaker 1: she kind of likes this stuff, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to die obviously for her. Yeah, Email, I have that
Speaker 1: feeling that you described. It's like, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: you know, walking on landmines to see if they go off.
Speaker 1: You know, I've got some preservation amongst myself. But sometimes
Speaker 1: I just kind of think, you know, if I if
Speaker 1: I get shot out, be okay, you know.
Speaker 2: And I like, can I do you want to be
Speaker 2: anonymous on here? Because I know you do have a file.
Speaker 2: I mean people can probably find you. He's I mean,
Speaker 2: we said your name.
Speaker 1: Trust me, they people know me. It's all good, all right?
Speaker 2: So can I say what your thing is?
Speaker 1: My my ex? Or no?
Speaker 2: Like, no, you're a YouTube channel and shit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah sure, yeah, yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 2: You're lord miles. Yeah, okay, yeah, you have a you
Speaker 2: have a Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean when I was a kid, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, Wikipedia page also official. But it just kind
Speaker 1: of happened one day. You know, do you have a
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page?
Speaker 2: I did not have a Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: Someone making a Wikipedia page. This happened. Yeah, I've got
Speaker 1: to be honest. When I was in Taliban jail, I
Speaker 1: had I had some Internet access, so there was an
Speaker 1: unsecured Wi Fi hotspot nearby on this laptop. I remember
Speaker 1: distinctly downloading on your podcast as an MP free file
Speaker 1: and listening to it, and like, that's how. That's how
Speaker 1: I know you. Like, I respect what you do a lot,
Speaker 1: and you're very funny and actually genuinely helpful to a
Speaker 1: lot of people. You know, there's been some clips moments
Speaker 1: out there. No, it's okay, the Taliban Gecko Alliance.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know. I'm gonna push
Speaker 2: back on Taliban Gecko alliance.
Speaker 1: For legal reasons, not true, true, for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2: But but I will say, listen, but I believe you,
Speaker 2: and you're coming to your I think you're making a
Speaker 2: genuine I believe everything you're saying emotionally as well, and so.
Speaker 1: Like a conflicting feelings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, dude, like, okay, you you wrote a book,
Speaker 2: you're doing okay, dude, why don't you like dude, I
Speaker 2: feel like, okay when yeah, you have a following online,
Speaker 2: you're doing all this stuff, Like, dude, you could go
Speaker 2: you could go straight pretty easy. I think you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like, I like, I see like you
Speaker 2: love your Okay, you love your Let's hold sorry I
Speaker 2: got distracted a little bit. All right, so your girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I think I got distracted. I wanted to bring you
Speaker 2: up because I did want people. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people are going to think that you're working with me.
Speaker 2: And then but this is a real conversation.
Speaker 1: No, no, I promise, Yeah I know you're not. I
Speaker 1: can then prove if you.
Speaker 2: Need I I already I already I know, I already
Speaker 2: I already know. But okay, so you love your girlfriend,
Speaker 2: she's great. Yeah okay, and and you and I but yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh, could you see yourself just having like a
Speaker 2: normal fucking life where you're like a family man and
Speaker 2: like you know, I'm kids.
Speaker 1: Would yeah, I would have to be doing something, but
Speaker 1: that makes sense. It might be I know, yeah, there
Speaker 1: has been something because I guess in a few years
Speaker 1: if I, if I want to, I'll never have to
Speaker 1: work again if I just you know, like for example,
Speaker 1: next thing is I'm going to sell a few tanks.
Speaker 1: Long story, but you know I've got time and money
Speaker 1: at that point, right, and so I need to occupy
Speaker 1: my time.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you have three million dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say the exact amount, but it's
Speaker 1: a decent amount.
Speaker 2: Okay, why can't Yeah, I mean you can, like you
Speaker 2: can let you. I thought, do you not already have
Speaker 2: enough money? I mean you're not like retire in style,
Speaker 2: but is that not enough money already?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Like do you need to be selling tanks and ship like? Like?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I feel like, imagine, imagine you
Speaker 1: had something similar like that in the nineteen seventies, right,
Speaker 1: not three million, but equivalent, you know, and then all
Speaker 1: the hyperinflation happened. You know how she used to be
Speaker 1: what ten thousand dollars? And then you know, all these
Speaker 1: years later, you know what made you rich in nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: It's really tough you'd be rich in twenty fifty twenty five.
Speaker 1: That sort of money and then market crutches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I did some moss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes.
Speaker 2: Now now I know, I know, I know that your
Speaker 2: I know that your current financial plan is to buy
Speaker 2: and sell tanks. But have you ever heard of something
Speaker 2: called foreign and domestic index funds?
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, the Y s and P five hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I could, dude, just like, Dude, Miles, just
Speaker 3: take the money that you've made, put it in fucking
Speaker 3: index funds and then go like do just dude, do
Speaker 3: like just get like I get it that you like,
Speaker 3: I get it that like selling tanks makes your dick hard,
Speaker 3: But like, why can't like what I refuse to believe?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what I believe. What I believe is that A,
Speaker 2: you're clearly in some form of like strong disturbance over
Speaker 2: the way that you your current lifestyle is subconsciously. So
Speaker 2: you're what, You're in some form of disturbed. I mean
Speaker 2: you you wouldn't be we wouldn't be having this conversation
Speaker 2: if it were in fact that you're you're in some
Speaker 2: form of disturbance or some kind of mental uh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: uh cognitive dissonance. You're in some form of cognitive dissonance.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I look at people I look at I look
Speaker 1: at people working sixty hours a week barely gain by.
Speaker 1: Why don't you sell tanks? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It would be in a lot better financial position.
Speaker 2: You know what, you know? Sure, sure, but selling tanks
Speaker 2: doesn't have to literally mean selling tanks, like you, there's
Speaker 2: a lot I.
Speaker 1: Mean I'm taking yeah, but I'm taking tanks away from
Speaker 1: the Taliban. I mean, you know, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: good thing, I guess, you know, if you kind of
Speaker 1: anti Taliban, and they're not they're not modern times like
Speaker 1: World War one wants. It's just some collector in the
Speaker 1: US would like get hot on for it, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like like if you're three million dollars, but
Speaker 3: like buy a fucking laundromat.
Speaker 2: Dude, like you have, what do you want to do
Speaker 2: with all this here? Let me ask you this, Let
Speaker 2: me ask you this, what kind of because here's the thing, right,
Speaker 2: you can you can if you if you really want
Speaker 2: to go and like get yourself into even more crazy
Speaker 2: trouble for money, like whatever, but like what do you
Speaker 2: want to do with this money? Dude? Like like you
Speaker 2: must have an idea because retirement you must have an
Speaker 2: idea before you want to like go do all this
Speaker 2: crazy stuff and like make a You have to have
Speaker 2: an idea of like what you actually want your life
Speaker 2: data day to look like. Right, And then you might
Speaker 2: find that whatever that life is does not require you
Speaker 2: to like need ten million fucking dollars, right, Like you
Speaker 2: might just be like you might be like, oh, I
Speaker 2: want to fucking go to like a some nice suburb
Speaker 2: of England and buy a house and live with my
Speaker 2: girlfriend and have kids and like whatever. And you might
Speaker 2: find like, oh, actually, not only do I not need
Speaker 2: ten twenty million dollars from selling tanks to live this lifestyle,
Speaker 2: but actually the actions and the behaviors that go into
Speaker 2: the lifestyle that selling fucking tanks for the Taliban requires
Speaker 2: me to live actually takes me very far away from
Speaker 2: the lifestyle I actually want to live, were I to
Speaker 2: sit down and think of it. And then you're doing
Speaker 2: this like weird circumventation where you're like spending time doing
Speaker 2: a bunch of crazy shit to make money to fund
Speaker 2: a lifestyle that you could just be living. Like skip
Speaker 2: the middleman, dude, Like just what do you what life
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 1: Want to live? I've got to be honest, I have
Speaker 1: a nice apartment. I'm just renting. If I own a property,
Speaker 1: it means I have to pay income task and don't
Speaker 1: pay income tax a moment. But I'm kind of minimalist.
Speaker 1: I actually sleep on the floor like a pillow and
Speaker 1: a quilt. I don't really need money to be I
Speaker 1: guess contempt. I would like a nice environment, like a
Speaker 1: like a nice desk or something, okay, But so then
Speaker 1: I don't really need I think I'm just gaining money
Speaker 1: for the sake of money. I used to be Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're very poor. Yeah, I group like on I
Speaker 1: guess the equivalent to welfare it's benefits of the UK.
Speaker 1: And I was. I was so poor I couldn't afford
Speaker 1: like a DS. I really wanted a DS as a kid.
Speaker 1: I never got one, like an attendo DS, and and
Speaker 1: then I was homeless eighteen. It was a crappy family situation.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm just one monthly for that security
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, that mental security. But you already
Speaker 1: have it, you know, I just.
Speaker 2: It just but also yeah, but also.
Speaker 3: Like you also have to like like nothing's free, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, like what security are you
Speaker 3: giving up by doing this crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good point. I mean I've almost
Speaker 1: been like mock mock executed like a few times. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: you know. But also at the same time, like, despite
Speaker 1: me almost being executed, I never felt more alive. I
Speaker 1: think I'm an adrenaline junkie.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're probably you're a dreas Listen, I'm zero.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I'm a version of
Speaker 2: an adrenaline junkie. I'm definitely not to your level of
Speaker 2: an adrenaline junkie, but I I I sympathize with the
Speaker 2: the feeling and I'm telling you And by the way, dude,
Speaker 2: you're kind of like it's like a it's like Walter White.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Breaking.
Speaker 1: Bed Well, I'm boldings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Barth White. It's like if it's like
Speaker 2: the whole the whole show. He keeps going, I'm doing
Speaker 2: this for the family. I'm selling meth for the family.
Speaker 2: I'm selling it for the family. And at the very end, Skyler,
Speaker 2: his wife is like quit saying you're doing it for
Speaker 2: the family. He goes, he goes, he goes, no, I'm
Speaker 2: not he goes, I did it for me. I did
Speaker 2: it because I like you're doing it because you're addicted
Speaker 2: to the adrenaline of the thing. And I and what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is, I see in you a guy who
Speaker 2: wants to live.
Speaker 1: I see it.
Speaker 2: I see in you like half a guy who doesn't
Speaker 2: give a shit if he dies because of uh the
Speaker 2: the whatever the fuck thing. I see within you a
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't give a shit if he dies, but
Speaker 2: also a guy who really wants to uh live. You know,
Speaker 2: you're capable of uh loving your girlfriend, You're capable of
Speaker 2: uh wanting to just like a desire for new and
Speaker 2: novel experiences. I guess I understand that it's hard if
Speaker 2: you've uh lived this insane life that you've lived, to
Speaker 2: uh find pleasure and enjoyment in things that don't involve
Speaker 2: you almost getting fucking executed. I I know, I know,
Speaker 2: I know, I know how that feels. But I think
Speaker 2: I refuse to believe that you have sentenced yourself forever
Speaker 2: to a life where you must put yourself in uh
Speaker 2: an insane amount of danger to feel normal. If I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't have I don't have the It's gonna take,
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a longer process than just like this
Speaker 2: phone call to figure out what that lifestyle would look like.
Speaker 2: But I just I just refuse to believe that you're
Speaker 2: now like sentenced to a life where you need to
Speaker 2: fucking overthrow the government of Haiti to feel normal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like a problem. Yeah, I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of guess the people around
Speaker 1: me keep egging me on a little bit, and they
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just I like the idea of these things, Like
Speaker 1: if if some it's all made a movie about I
Speaker 1: think it would be like a like an aesthetic and
Speaker 1: it makes sense like a post nati to download. But
Speaker 1: also it's actually I do acknowledge it is retarded, like
Speaker 1: a really stupid, dangerous lifestyle. But like I think there's
Speaker 1: a few easier ways to make a few million dollars,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like there's some easier way
Speaker 1: to do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's listen, you're already like way do I feel
Speaker 2: like people do that? Like, okay, listen, like just take
Speaker 2: the money you already have and like just do something
Speaker 2: that's less uh you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought about I did by you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, I basically wanted to start this a podcast, like
Speaker 1: do you know this? Like, for example, I just want
Speaker 1: to go to I guess I want to go to
Speaker 1: these interesting countries, right, like the same reason you went
Speaker 1: to Iraq. And instead of like doing this dangerous business
Speaker 1: when I almost get executed, I just want to sit
Speaker 1: down with I guess, dangerous but interesting people, just a
Speaker 1: normal conversation, and I guess to a podcast. Like there's
Speaker 1: this one guy who's called General but naked in Liberia
Speaker 1: and he was a cannibal and I've been meshing on WhatsApp.
Speaker 1: He seems kind of you and I become a Christian.
Speaker 1: He's repented and he's doing some good stuff. Now you know,
Speaker 1: obviously what he did eating children's heart, that's a bit
Speaker 1: messed up. But you know, he wants to he wants
Speaker 1: to meet up with me, and he's a fan of me,
Speaker 1: and I think like he could be the first podcast
Speaker 1: guy for me, you know, but he can just I
Speaker 1: can go there. I get my cameraman, we film like
Speaker 1: a two hour conversation. We get some clippers to clip
Speaker 1: the whole thing, some good editing, some good lighting, and
Speaker 1: I think if I do bad cross several other countries,
Speaker 1: like I've got this one North Korean diplomat in the
Speaker 1: EU who's interested, And I don't know, do you think
Speaker 1: that's a good middle ground? I don't or not.
Speaker 2: I actually know exactly who you're talking about, because he
Speaker 2: have you ever seen the Book of Mormon? Not a musical, no,
Speaker 2: that music in the book. There's a character in the
Speaker 2: Book of Mormon called General but fucking Naked, who's based
Speaker 2: off of General butt Nake. I've heard of this guy before.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what do I think about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I would because I think you can go
Speaker 1: to any country and not have problems just as a
Speaker 1: quick taurus like I've seen white women go to like
Speaker 1: Somalia and Libya that you just don't arrive in like
Speaker 1: instantly die or something.
Speaker 2: Yea, there, I mean you here's the thing. I'd be
Speaker 2: a hypocrite if I told you to like completely stop right,
Speaker 2: because I uh, I'm I also have a bit of
Speaker 2: a bug of like, uh, I mean, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't try to go out of my way to talk
Speaker 2: to dangerous people. I just try to talk to fucking whoever.
Speaker 2: But I think I just think you should like not
Speaker 2: try not to get too in over your head and
Speaker 2: try not to do things with this idea of like
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck if I die or not.
Speaker 2: You know know, Fuck, it's hard for me to dude,
Speaker 2: it's honestly so hard for me to have this conversation
Speaker 2: with you just because like I I mean, I I'm
Speaker 2: I'm nowhere near I don't like, I'm not into like
Speaker 2: crazy hardcore ship. But I also I've had the same
Speaker 2: like conversations with my friends before, like going to Iraq
Speaker 2: or Ukraine where they're like I mean, but also like
Speaker 2: I don't know, I but I but I'm I'm not
Speaker 2: as hard like I. I wouldn't go to the front
Speaker 2: lines of Ukraine, you know, I went to Kiev.
Speaker 1: Of like, yeah, you have common sense? Yeah, once again
Speaker 1: though real recognize is real?
Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you this though, Let me ask
Speaker 2: you this, yea, just because do you have do you
Speaker 2: I want to talk about just your normal life? Like
Speaker 2: do you you have friends? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's a close knit so called don't
Speaker 1: makes sense?
Speaker 2: Who are these friends? Like do they and you said that.
Speaker 1: They are well.
Speaker 2: Like like literally two.
Speaker 1: Of them, Like what do you know? Two of them?
Speaker 1: I make up I make up thirty percent of the
Speaker 1: Afghan Tourism Ministry. So I do a bunch of tours there.
Speaker 1: Two I just charge people like free k ahead to
Speaker 1: bring them to Afghanistan in groups of ten or so.
Speaker 1: And you know, I met a few of them and
Speaker 1: they're like minded and we just kept in contact afterwards.
Speaker 1: That's good. And I've got one friend who who is
Speaker 1: trying to start an airline, like a shipping freight service.
Speaker 1: And he's kind of crazy too. He it's it's really bizarre,
Speaker 1: Like he's even crazy in me in many ways. I
Speaker 1: just like I kind of admire it to some degree,
Speaker 1: but it also scares me. Like, for example, I was
Speaker 1: into Saudi Arabia under investigation. I was like arrested there
Speaker 1: and I was under surveillance clearly. But he walks into
Speaker 1: a Starbucks in Saudi Arabia and just goes, oh, hello, hh,
Speaker 1: can I have the Hitler coffee? And they would just
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, sure because they're not English speaker natively,
Speaker 1: and they'll just give him his coffee. But he just
Speaker 1: does that in public situations friend of anyone. He just
Speaker 1: he's a definition of going the hose. It's a really
Speaker 1: good friendship. Like he would just walk into any retail store,
Speaker 1: cafe if it's England, America, he lives in Australia or
Speaker 1: even Saudi Arabia, like it happened with us, and he
Speaker 1: would just walk in and go hello, h h you
Speaker 1: know it's central Ohio and he would go can I
Speaker 1: have the Hitler cappuccino? And they just wouldn't even look up,
Speaker 1: and they'll go, yeah, okay, there'll be two dollars and
Speaker 1: you'll pay okay, And he.
Speaker 2: Does that everywhere. Yeah, it sounds like you have It
Speaker 2: sounds like your social circle is full of a lot
Speaker 2: of guys who like are like edgy people who like
Speaker 2: to provoke yeah and think okay. So yeah, it sounds
Speaker 2: like your social circle is filled with a lot of
Speaker 2: like edge people who like to provoke. And I it.
Speaker 2: I would have to take a gander and say that
Speaker 2: when you say some shit like I'm thinking about starting
Speaker 2: a a coup in Haiti, that the friend of yours
Speaker 2: who's going around, you know, saying like fucking like doing
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, I get the sense that that
Speaker 2: friend is not going to respond to you by going hmm,
Speaker 2: what what would be best for miles? I assume he
Speaker 2: is going to respond to you by being like, oh
Speaker 2: that sounds awesome. Yes, please create further destructure please whatever.
Speaker 2: You know this this does not seem like a person.
Speaker 2: I mean, I listen, I don't know this dude, but
Speaker 2: it strikes me that his modest operendi is provocation more
Speaker 2: than it is like like you, like you got to
Speaker 2: surround yourself with people who I could give a fuck about,
Speaker 2: like you and your well being, not just like what's
Speaker 2: to do? So are like egging each other on to
Speaker 2: like do crazy shit.
Speaker 1: It kind of start on with that whole thing. Like
Speaker 1: when I when I got back to my apartments a
Speaker 1: few months after my birthday, I found, you know, an
Speaker 1: item was meant to be delivered to my house. I
Speaker 1: called up the shipping people. They delivered it because I
Speaker 1: was in to receive it, and it was a coffin.
Speaker 1: And I basically messaged the group chat saying, I just
Speaker 1: see the coffin in the mail whatstairs It's a threat.
Speaker 1: And one of my friends joked that he sent me
Speaker 1: a coffin because he's like, oh, most likely or die
Speaker 1: soon by you know, your efforts, So you know, we
Speaker 1: thought it be funny to send you on ahead of time.
Speaker 1: And they bought. It was like super duper funny, but
Speaker 1: I kind of just said that. I cofin for ten minutes.
Speaker 1: And I also slept in it because again it's a
Speaker 1: little bit more comfortable than the floor. It had padding,
Speaker 1: and I was like, huh, you know, you know I
Speaker 1: don't think my friends. Uh, I a super caring type.
Speaker 1: It's why I really my girlfriend. She's very sweet and caring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my friend sent me a coffin. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who the guy who goes around talking
Speaker 2: about Hitler. He doesn't sound like the sweetest guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot I can't say about him. It's
Speaker 1: maybe I'll tell you privately someday.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, let me Yeah, okay, what's your what's your
Speaker 2: relationship like with your parents? Your family at least like
Speaker 2: you got like do you have any.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's gonna be very telling. Oh, very I
Speaker 1: kind of hope this want to come up. But you
Speaker 1: don't have kids, you know, I want to I like,
Speaker 1: I want to be open, you know, I'll be honest
Speaker 1: because what's the find of you know, not being honest
Speaker 1: with therapist, right, because you're like.
Speaker 2: By the way, by the way, I'm not a real therapist.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, you know that next thing, next thing, you'll
Speaker 1: tell me. You know, getko, you're crazy. But anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: an IVS kid, so you know, I I don't know
Speaker 1: my real father. You know, no record, no DNA tests. Whyever,
Speaker 1: there's no laws where I can find out. It's a
Speaker 1: completely anonymous donation, right. And then my mother, she she
Speaker 1: wasn't the best. She had some sort of depression, some
Speaker 1: anger disorders. So I was basically and also an alcoholic.
Speaker 1: So I was left to my own devices most of
Speaker 1: the time. I was a very goody two shoes kid,
Speaker 1: like I was a kid who you said, all the
Speaker 1: homework and do the extra stuff, and you know I was.
Speaker 1: I was like a straight a goodie too, too goody
Speaker 1: two shoes students like never never like never got detention,
Speaker 1: only Tupe I got into. I denied the Holocaust once.
Speaker 1: Long story. But and then suddenly I don't know. I
Speaker 1: get to eighteen years old, and you know, there's been
Speaker 1: so many incidents when and the police because you know,
Speaker 1: she's quitelishly a crazy alcoholic. So at the age of eighteen,
Speaker 1: I secretly apply to university. I get in and and
Speaker 1: I just leave them the middle of the night when
Speaker 1: she's drunk, sleeping on the SETTI and I just walk out.
Speaker 1: I put my keys through the letterbox, I throw my
Speaker 1: SIM card away. Her new one in changed my email,
Speaker 1: and you know, never contacted her since she got my
Speaker 1: numbers somehow. I don't know how she managed to, but
Speaker 1: obviously I never answered. I just got a bunch of
Speaker 1: drunken voice messages for out the years, and then one
Speaker 1: day they just stopped as well. And then the last
Speaker 1: voice message I heard from her that she was living
Speaker 1: with my auntie who's also an alcoholic, and she was
Speaker 1: almost homeless too. But my idea was, seems like not
Speaker 1: the best person. You know, still my mother, but not
Speaker 1: the best, but also you know, I can't fix that.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, if she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: help herself at the age of like seventy in the.
Speaker 2: Way, I'm I'm sorry I didn't catch it. So your
Speaker 2: mom was so you were an IVF baby as and
Speaker 2: like your mom had you like as a single mom.
Speaker 1: She was in she's in relationship with a man, and
Speaker 1: then that man went to China for business and then
Speaker 1: he got hit by a bus and died. So she
Speaker 1: was getting on to like forty years old. And then
Speaker 1: she wanted a baby, so she went through IVS and
Speaker 1: then she had me. And at a time it was
Speaker 1: free because it was like the nineties, so I think
Speaker 1: it was like a semi new technology.
Speaker 2: Then you never had you never had paid for it,
Speaker 2: You never had a father. No, Okay, do you have
Speaker 2: a siblings or anyone? No?
Speaker 1: No, well from a DNA test, tennically two half sisters,
Speaker 1: But I don't know them. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: know them. It's just on a piece of paperwork basically.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's no way to contact them. So it's
Speaker 1: just me. I'm a Taliban. I guess.
Speaker 2: I feel, you know what, it's funny. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not funny, but but it's like, I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: class that's like a classic story. I mean, that's how
Speaker 2: people join like terrorist groups and gangs. Is like they
Speaker 2: don't have anyone else.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've never thought of it like that. That's quite
Speaker 1: a unique perspective, or maybe a common sense perspective. And
Speaker 1: I just, yeah, I see, Well, I don't. I haven't
Speaker 1: enjoyed the Taliban or anythink. I'm a strict Catholic. I
Speaker 1: even I even get into like religious debates with them.
Speaker 1: I just see the country has high barriers to entry
Speaker 1: because none is stupid enough stupidsiness there and yeah and
Speaker 1: just you know they're ever ruling people there, so you
Speaker 1: just have to feel that.
Speaker 2: So so okay, and then what's your all right? All right?
Speaker 2: Miles miles, miles miles, Yes, ye do you want do
Speaker 2: you want my advice?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I've been giving you advice, all righty, But.
Speaker 1: Be honest with me, be honest, okay, if you if you.
Speaker 2: Want to be honest with okay, if you want to
Speaker 2: be brutally honest with you, I think that, Okay, My
Speaker 2: my perspective is, I think you are surrounding yourself with
Speaker 2: a lot of like like Edgy four Channey, right wing provocateur,
Speaker 2: like crazy people who probably don't have your like best
Speaker 2: interests in mind, and that's probably rubbing off on you.
Speaker 2: And you're probably attracted to this because it's like after
Speaker 2: a lifetime of like not having like fitting in anywhere,
Speaker 2: maybe you've found the place that you can fit in
Speaker 2: among like the Taliban or among this crowd. And like
Speaker 2: I think that that crowd and that these things are
Speaker 2: just like leading you down a life where you're making
Speaker 2: more destructive decisions, and you clearly wouldn't be like talking.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be having this conversation for so long if
Speaker 2: you weren't in some period of reflection as to whether
Speaker 2: or not these decisions were the best decisions for you.
Speaker 2: And so I kind of think that there is a
Speaker 2: way I believe, I don't know what exactly it is,
Speaker 2: but there's probably a way for you to ay, most importantly,
Speaker 2: find a community of people who actually have your best
Speaker 2: interests in mind. Dude, you're Christian, Yeah, dude, go join
Speaker 2: join a church, like seriously, go join Go join like
Speaker 2: a normal ass church. You should go join a normal
Speaker 2: ass You should find a place where you should find
Speaker 2: a place in the world that you want to live,
Speaker 2: that you want to have a family, that you want
Speaker 2: to have friends, that you want to have a community.
Speaker 2: Find a place in the world that you want to live.
Speaker 2: Go join a church, not a crazy ass church, just
Speaker 2: a normal church. Where twenty six year in New York City,
Speaker 2: I was at some fucking I did. I My friend
Speaker 2: took me there because she's a member. I just went randomly,
Speaker 2: the Movement Church or some whatever. There's all these churches
Speaker 2: where there's like people our age, just hanging out being normal. Uh,
Speaker 2: it'll it'll be an adjustment for you for a lot
Speaker 2: of reasons. But like, just find a fucking church where
Speaker 2: you can just like be around like regular ass people
Speaker 2: and be a part of a community, you know, and
Speaker 2: well do that and then like see if you can
Speaker 2: make friends with people and find a community where you
Speaker 2: feel like people have people really have your back and
Speaker 2: they're not just like around you because you are are
Speaker 2: are also a provocateur on the level that they are
Speaker 2: like you. Just you want to find your real friends, dude,
Speaker 2: because that's that's what's going to help you make good
Speaker 2: just better decisions.
Speaker 1: I guess. So go to a small town, join a
Speaker 1: church with young people, and then it's well, I'm a town,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a village guy. I would to go
Speaker 1: to London. That's dangerous, but yeah, I guess, go to
Speaker 1: a bunch of institutions, local businesses, become regular, strike up conversations.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, be a regular somewhere it just
Speaker 2: and just be and then just like to try to
Speaker 2: enjoy just being annoy normal fucking guy. There's a lot
Speaker 2: to enjoy it about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it sounds insane, but I'm always
Speaker 1: doing so many projects and at the same time, I
Speaker 1: just I just I just can't slow down, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like.
Speaker 2: It makes perfect sense. You don't have to, don't you
Speaker 2: know you don't You don't have to abandon your projects,
Speaker 2: but you definitely need some balance, you know, like like
Speaker 2: just but like you got to find some balance, dude,
Speaker 2: Like you can still like like if you really want
Speaker 2: to fucking do like your your your wild uh form
Speaker 2: of journalism, I'd be a hypocrite to tell you not to,
Speaker 2: but I I can tell you. I'd be hypocrites to
Speaker 2: tell you not to. But I'm telling you from experience
Speaker 2: that you need to find a balance to it because
Speaker 2: you're because you can't. Just like I went to Ukraine,
Speaker 2: but then I came back and I'm like in New
Speaker 2: York and I have a community of people, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: have a normal I have a version of normal life
Speaker 2: to plant my feet on the ground, and I tried
Speaker 2: to do that really intentionally.
Speaker 1: That is what I tell you. How do you find
Speaker 1: a balance? Like how did you like hang up the
Speaker 1: mask when you get home?
Speaker 2: You know, I joined the I joined the coworking space
Speaker 2: in New York that I go to to like edit
Speaker 2: videos and stuff, and I made a bunch of friends there.
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds good.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, so like find you should find your version
Speaker 2: of like a community, just something where people don't know
Speaker 2: you as like Lord Miles the crazy YouTuber. They just
Speaker 2: know you as Miles and you're just like some You're
Speaker 2: just like a guy, you know, and like it's I
Speaker 2: I I bring up church because church is where I
Speaker 2: think a lot of is. Seems like it if you
Speaker 2: told me you played pickleball, I tell you to join
Speaker 2: a pickleball place. But like just find I'm but just
Speaker 2: like and then like and then like on the side,
Speaker 2: and then like when on the side you can go
Speaker 2: on your crazy missions. But like, if all you're doing
Speaker 2: is these crazy missions, you're just you're just gonna fling
Speaker 2: yourself into outer space so far that your head's going
Speaker 2: to be spinning around and you won't know where to
Speaker 2: you know, look, and it's just it's it's just too much, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I guess I should band it out.
Speaker 1: I guess what I'll do is I'll move to a community.
Speaker 1: I'm always in the country, but I'll try and stick
Speaker 1: around a little bit more, and then what I'll do
Speaker 1: is I'll also do the podcast, I guess, because that
Speaker 1: allow me to transition to something else. If that makes sense, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still giving myself enough, I guess all
Speaker 1: they adrenine the bush.
Speaker 2: Also like the yea like the also the like the
Speaker 2: people who are around you, like walking around trying to
Speaker 2: find every reason to like piss other people off, even
Speaker 2: if they're your boys. It's like you got to really
Speaker 2: take a second to evaluate and go like, is this
Speaker 2: person is being around this guy like leading me closer
Speaker 2: to the life I want, like to I believe that
Speaker 2: this is like you know what I mean, and and
Speaker 2: don't don't have a scarcity mindset when it comes to
Speaker 2: other people, Like there's there's there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: on the planet that you haven't met that will change
Speaker 2: your perspective and add to your life. So if this
Speaker 2: like yeah, if the if the people around you who
Speaker 2: are like sending you a coffin and like joking about
Speaker 2: you dying and like all this shit, like like like
Speaker 2: take a second to evaluate if those are the folks
Speaker 2: you that'll kind of get you to where you want
Speaker 2: to be in life?
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, true it was a nice coffin, but
Speaker 1: not right now. There was one friend she kept. She
Speaker 1: basically kept like crying on the phone sometimes and cried
Speaker 1: once when we met up, and she was kind of
Speaker 1: worried about me, saying, oh, you know, I'm Mooragine's gonna
Speaker 1: happened to you? So on and so forth. And I
Speaker 1: used to always think that she was trying to hold
Speaker 1: me back a little bit, or she just didn't understand,
Speaker 1: because she's very poor herself, and you know, life hasn't
Speaker 1: gone too well for her, and she's making her own
Speaker 1: mistakes that I recognize, but for some reason she arms.
Speaker 1: But then I realized she's actually probably one of the
Speaker 1: few people that care. And she's said the same things
Speaker 1: that you've said. Yeah, but I didn't listen to it
Speaker 1: because she's not a wise getter. You know.
Speaker 2: Again, i'd be a hypocrite to tell you to stop
Speaker 2: going on your crazy adventures because I also going crazy adventures,
Speaker 2: but like have some common sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess this goal has been a crazy adventure.
Speaker 2: Uh well, Miles, Miles, thanks, thanks, thanks for being honest
Speaker 2: with me, Thanks for being vulnari, thanks for putting yourself
Speaker 2: out there. I appreciate it. I hope you end up
Speaker 2: doing you know, something that feel makes you feel like
Speaker 2: a normal human?
Speaker 1: Yeah, not not talaban or terrorist dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much. That's too much good, it's too much.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I guess that begins with getting rid of some of
Speaker 1: our weird sessions. Uh. Unrelated though, do you have the
Speaker 1: PEO box?
Speaker 2: I don't have a po box, but.
Speaker 1: Send me, send me, send me a random address. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna send you, send me to say thank you. It's
Speaker 1: not something illegal, I guess to host gaming.
Speaker 2: I'll think about it, man, I'll think about it. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll think about it. Is there anything else you want
Speaker 2: to say to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, just live love laugh. I guess
Speaker 1: that's one of my famous quotes. And you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what I was I could say.
Speaker 1: I guess I think of I think I've said too much.
Speaker 1: That's quite a right. No, I just oncely, thank you,
Speaker 1: by the way, you actually actually a very good counselor
Speaker 1: very good stuff.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Miles. I appreciate you. Man. Have
Speaker 2: a good rest of the day.
Speaker 1: I will do God bless you, man.
Speaker 2: Take care man. That was Miles, That was That was
Speaker 2: definitely one of the more wild conversations that we have
Speaker 2: had in a Therapy Gecko history. But I I used
Speaker 2: I stand by I stand by it. I stand by it.
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope Miles makes good decisions. I mean,
Speaker 2: I like going on crazy I'm not. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't do business with the Taliban or interview cannibals or
Speaker 2: anything like that. But I like, I like, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: going on crazy adventures and stuff and I and I
Speaker 2: know what it feels like to get addicted to it.
Speaker 2: But once you start being like I'm ready to die,
Speaker 2: is is when things become too much. And I also
Speaker 2: think you got to develop a form of normal life
Speaker 2: to fall back on, because of all you have is
Speaker 2: your craziness, you will feel like you are floating through
Speaker 2: outer space. So I hope Miles makes the right decisions
Speaker 2: and finds some form of peace for himself. And yeah,
Speaker 2: that's been. That's been the Therapy Gecko podcast. Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 3: Goes to ride. He's teaching you cloud in the of
Speaker 3: your life, but he's not really an expert.