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Speaker 2: Yeah? What's that man?

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Speaker 1: Whoa it's an honor. Well I need some advice. It's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, hit me.

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Speaker 1: Well, basically, I go to Afghanistan from time to time

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Speaker 1: and I ended up befriending the Taliban. Long story, and

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Speaker 1: I made a good amount of money from it. To

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Speaker 1: put a damping out my social life because you know,

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Speaker 1: I go out, I meet some new people and you know,

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Speaker 1: they say they do like digital marketing or something, and

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Speaker 1: they turn to me, oh, what do you do? And

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Speaker 1: when I say, yeah, I like bought a tank from

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Speaker 1: And then suddenly they run away or like they reported

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Speaker 1: me with the police, or you know, they just talk

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Speaker 1: about human rights and stuff. But to be honest, I

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Speaker 1: kind of enjoy it, Like they're kind of like my talent.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how to talk to people. Like

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Speaker 1: I've got a girlfriend. She's autistic enough to like it.

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Speaker 1: What do I say when I meet to parents?

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Speaker 2: You know, what's your name?

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Speaker 1: Miles? We spoke before, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We've never we Okay, we've never spoken on the podcast before,

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Speaker 2: but uh we DMed back and forth a little bit

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Speaker 2: because you you sent me a message just shortly after

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Speaker 2: I went to Iraq. You sent me a message and

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Speaker 2: you were like, you said, hey, if you ever want

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Speaker 2: to come to Afghanistan, I'll show you around. I own

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Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden's car. And I saw that message and

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Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: So I responded and we chatted back and forth a

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Speaker 2: crazy stuff and I was like. I was like, and

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Speaker 2: we can have this conversation for sure, but we you

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Speaker 2: sent me a bunch of crazy stuff and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know about this man. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Afghanistan because after Yanistan, I

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Speaker 2: a lot about Afghanistan, but like I feel like Afghanistan

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Speaker 2: and Iraq are different ball games.

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Speaker 1: That's true. That is true. Well, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: go to North End to Ireland and you show these people,

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Speaker 1: say a mobile phone, they'll think you're crazy. However, to

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Speaker 1: a wise man, it's just normal technology. That's that's you

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Speaker 1: view my messages to me only your southern Middlardin's car.

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Speaker 1: Because what I did. I went to the village where

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Speaker 1: he was and I was like, hey, buddy, hey pal,

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Speaker 1: you know this car here in this photograph? Where is it?

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Speaker 1: And I tracked it down and I'm like, huh, how

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Speaker 1: much is this to buy? Eight thousand dollars? Okay ring ring?

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Speaker 1: Hello auction house? How much would my this met worth?

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Speaker 1: One point two million? And then I'm like, wow, this

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Speaker 2: So Miles, you know, Miles, I've I've I'm not like,

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Speaker 2: uh what, I've talked to a bunch of people and

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Speaker 2: I genuinely mean this, willing to believe that you owned

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Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden's car and that you are this guy

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Speaker 2: than than that you're pulling a prank on me. But

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Speaker 2: I do I I let's start from the very beginning.

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Speaker 2: So how do you not scare the hose. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 2: get into that, but I want to know. Hold, well,

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Speaker 2: come on, we'll get into that. Let's let's go from

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Speaker 2: the start, from the beginning. How old are you?

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Speaker 1: Miles twenty six but my hairline saints forty?

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Speaker 2: And uh, where are you from? Originally?

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately the very dangerous play. I'm kind of used to that.

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Speaker 1: I'm from this place called Birmingham. It's like the Detroit

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Speaker 2: And how did you start going to Afghanistan?

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Speaker 1: Well? I kind of went there by accident. So I

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Speaker 1: Well, I had this tour guide who was there with

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Speaker 1: So I planned to get him out by smuggling him

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Speaker 2: You know, why did why did the tour guide ask

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and where are you calling me from? Are

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately? Yeah, it's three dangerous here, Honesley.

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Speaker 2: And you go back and forth between England and Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, basically. I know the CEO of the Afghan National

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Speaker 2: Oh why, what's the joke?

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Speaker 1: Well, the same type of people are there, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is your main job. How do you

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Speaker 2: make a living? How do you exist?

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Speaker 1: Well, I buy something the cheap and I sell it

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Speaker 1: more and she's honest, our money is good. I means again,

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Speaker 2: But also I assume Wassamon Land probably had many cars.

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Speaker 2: So this is one. This is not like like it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Like I believe you because I feel sure?

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Speaker 2: Why not? I mean, I've met I'm aware of the

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Speaker 2: Are you autistic?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: What do I think?

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Speaker 2: Well, you keep alluding to it. I would assume it

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Speaker 1: It's kind of you know. I mean if you said yes,

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Speaker 2: So you are Are you making this up? No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, it's definitely true. Remember I sent you pictures

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Speaker 1: and I think Google my name is you?

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Speaker 2: Actually? Hold on, I'm up our chats because you did

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Speaker 2: send me. But did you send me pictures of you?

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Speaker 1: I think I did. I just send you some pictures

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I remember you Ward Miles something on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, I remember yeah, why do you? Okay, I

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Speaker 2: remember this exactly. Yeah, that's the picture of you. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I see you and then yeah you sent me.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I watched you when I was in Taliban jail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's you're kind of funny. Thanks man. Thanks, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they they They have a growing in bart sector,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you are one hundred percent. I I unless

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Speaker 2: not even I'm not gonna get I think you're telling

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sometimes it kind of feels a bit bizarre,

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Speaker 1: even on my end. But no, definitely telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: There's some there's some articles about me online. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've got a Twitter account where I post pictures of it,

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Speaker 2: What's the hell do I find this article?

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Speaker 1: So let me send you something. I'll send you a link, okay.

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Speaker 2: Send text okay, texted to me, texted to me. Don't

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Speaker 2: send it to me on the DM because I can't

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Speaker 2: look at I don't I can't find that ship I

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Speaker 2: got you. I mean, actually I can't. I send it

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Speaker 1: think I'm going to send you a few Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. YouTuber Lord Miles says he is willing

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Speaker 2: to pay Isis one hundred thousand pounds if they can

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Speaker 2: take him out in England.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got threatened by ISIS. So I kind

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Speaker 1: of put a bounty on my head and for eight

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Speaker 1: But they didn't. Bitches. You know, they kind of ruined

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Speaker 1: my haliday sometimes. And yeah, they threatened me in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: so I just keep threatening them back. And whilst I

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Speaker 2: Why did you? Oh yeah, here's okay, here's a bb

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Speaker 2: there's a BBC article h four British men freed after

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Speaker 1: of this too, and I ended up being in the

431
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: front lines of the war and my car broke down

432
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: during curfew, so I'm walking around. I get ambushed and

433
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: then I joined this random unit. We're going through a school,

434
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, hiding I guess. We basically get bombarded with

435
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 1: I guess artillery. I school collapsed on top of us

436
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: when we're in the basement. I walked through the underground

437
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: rail network in Karkiff to get back to the city

438
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: and then I, yeah Cargiff and then I go back

439
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: to Polands. We buy a second car and then we

440
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: just drive food aid in and then drive refugees out,

441
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 1: and that got positive reception. I'm trying good.

442
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you joined you joined a random I'm sorry

443
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 2: you joined a random unit of Ukrainians.

444
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: Or just for like a few nights, you know, I.

445
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: Was I didn't know. I didn't I was just trying.

446
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: I was just trying to clarify which which society you

447
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: were fighting on.

448
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: I've been advited to Russia, but I've got to be honest.

449
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't trust him. You know, I'm not really Russian

450
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: to go.

451
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: Right, I'm sure you have. I'm sure you have. Uh yeah,

452
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean I'm sure like I mean yeah, that's like

453
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: you were basically like a volunteer soldier on the side

454
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 2: of Ukraine.

455
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: Well, I could think it's a friend that actually joined

456
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian Army. So his name's Will and he's British.

457
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: He's in the front lines and he's killed like thirty

458
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: five Russians. He works as a drone part and he

459
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: just sends me like you know, like you know, when

460
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: you score on the Instagram reels he come across like

461
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: a live leak video. He creates his own. Basically, he

462
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: just sends me footage of him like drawing striking Russians,

463
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: and I think, why have I created? You know, so,

464
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: even in the goodness of my heart, when I was

465
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: doing good, charitable things, it basically created twenty five murders.

466
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: I understand it's war, but like I think I'm kind

467
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: of responsible for that.

468
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: Miles, I'm gonna bring I'm gonna let's really myles, I'm

469
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: gonna really back in. Okay, Yeah, So, and you know

470
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: what I don't I've I've I've confirmed that you're telling

471
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: me the truth. And I'm gonna also assume that you're

472
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: genuinely asking me to work this, work through this, like.

473
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: What what what should I do for a lifestyle?

474
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: Well, okay, you're clearly addicted tom to quote the lot

475
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: to quote a line from the Grand Theft Auto five trailer,

476
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: You're clearly addicted to chaos. And I think there are

477
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: way if you you're clearly addicted to chaos, which is

478
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: not an inherently bad thing. I am also clearly addicted

479
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: to chaos in a lot of ways, and it's made

480
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: a lot of normal life things hard for me. And

481
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: I've tried to find and I've actually gotten pretty good

482
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: at figuring out how to structure my life in such

483
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: a way that I can feed my desires for chaos

484
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: but also live some my own version of a conventional

485
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: normal life. I think that you should find ways to

486
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: feed your desire for chaos that like, you know, hey, listen,

487
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: I think work for the Taliban is probably a bad idea.

488
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a bad idea.

489
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's true. It kind of has playing

490
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 1: me good money. But you know, I can just end

491
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: it like that.

492
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, but if it's mezing, I guess. But listen,

493
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 2: if it's made you good money, yeah, listen, here's the thing.

494
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 2: If you've been doing this and it's made you good

495
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: money and you're out, it's You're like, it's like being

496
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: a fucking gangster man. It's like, it's like you're out.

497
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: If you're out of the game, you get out of

498
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: the game alive, right, And now you're like, and now

499
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 2: what I'm hearing from you is both this thing of

500
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: a I want to I mean, I don't know if

501
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: I'm hearing this few, but I'm gona assume it from you.

502
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: It's like a I want to devote my life to

503
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: things that are more ethical, uh, and then be I

504
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: want to devote my life to like I just want

505
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: to be like a normal ass guy with like a

506
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: girlfriend and friends who's not like, uh, you know, scaring

507
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: people away by telling them that I'm working for the Taliban,

508
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I think you can

509
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: do those two things. And I think and I think

510
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: that if you take your money right and you're like,

511
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 2: all right, let me just stay right there, and then

512
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: you go, Okay, well, how can I use my capital

513
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: now to do things that are ethical and nice and

514
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: also like set me up for some sort of normal existence.

515
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of creative answers to those questions,

516
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: and like, listen, man, there's all sorts of like there's

517
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: a lot of great adventures out there for you to

518
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: have that don't involve working for the Taliban. And then

519
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: also if you want to like go fucking you know,

520
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: decide what your base city is, right, Like you want

521
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: to just live in Birmingham and have friends and like

522
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: go to the bar. You don't want to live in

523
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: or move to London moved to go find like a

524
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: community of people somewhere. Go join a community of people somewhere, Like,

525
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: go go somewhere where you can like, uh, fuck it, like,

526
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: what do you like to do? Man? You like playing

527
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: video game? Like like, okay, I clearly listen, you clearly

528
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: like doing a bunch of crazy insane shit, But like,

529
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: what do you like doing? That's normal? You like playing

530
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: video games? What else?

531
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 1: Because I like, I played four Nice Little Bits Wolst

532
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia recently. I like reading books, I like

533
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: going to coffee shops and just I guess, just doom

534
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: scrolling a little bit. Okay, Oh god, I actually have

535
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: no real hobbies. Oh god, what kind of du No?

536
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: No, you kind of do? You have no video games? Yeah?

537
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: You like you like traveling, I guess.

538
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: But like, that's a white woman in the early twenties

539
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: on Instagram thing, you know what I mean?

540
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, but also yeah, but you're also white

541
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: in your twenties doing it. It's okay, it's okay.

542
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm a basic like woman.

543
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: No, that's true, and so it's gonna be a basic

544
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: white way. Why is it?

545
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: Why?

546
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: Why are replacing We're placing judgment values on things for

547
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: no reason? Can I tell you something? Because here's the

548
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: thing I'm sure you've interacted, like, because listen, do you

549
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: feel the way I listen, I'm trying to like approach

550
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: you because I'm being I'm being like, I'm trying to

551
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: be really genuine ingenuous with you because I believe you,

552
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: and I believe that you're like I believe you're making

553
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: a genuine appeal. And so there's been plenty of times

554
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: right when you're talking, because you said you seem like

555
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: you're placing a lot of value judgments on things. There's

556
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 2: plenty of times where you're like talking to some lady

557
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: and she's looking at you like this guy is like insane,

558
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: and you're looking at her like she's basic, and it's

559
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: like just drop everything and just exist, you know what

560
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: I mean, Like take away the fucking the the veils

561
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: of everything for like a second here and just exist.

562
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: What do you want to do? It's okay to travel

563
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: and run around and be like, oh, I want to

564
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: connect with people. I want to have weird novel experiences

565
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: that are interesting to talk about. There's like ethical, productive,

566
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: safe ways to do that that won't leave you with

567
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: this life that makes you be like, oh, I'm like

568
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: this weird, like Pariah e crazy, I have no ground.

569
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta like you can you can live

570
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: that life, but do it on the foundation of something

571
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: that like just grounds you into fucking reality, because it

572
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: sounds like you've just been in in outer space for

573
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: pretty much all of your adult life, you know. And

574
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: and and I kind of know a little bit, but

575
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: I've never worked for the Taliban, but I I I

576
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: kind of know a little bit what that feels like,

577
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: you know. So just just.

578
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: Just a lot of overlap with being a geck go,

579
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: I get that.

580
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: Little but like, just you know, I believe. I believe

581
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: that you can create a life where you feel grounded

582
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: and as if you can connect with other people, but

583
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: can also feed your chaotic desires in a way that

584
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: is not destructive to yourself and society.

585
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I did have one project, and you know, the legacy

586
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: means a lot to me. I want people to hopefully

587
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: remember me one day. And the positive thing is not

588
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: just being friends with itally birds, you know. And I've

589
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: always wanted to start my own country, and I have

590
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: Oh why not, you know, I mean, you know, I

591
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: don't I think it's possible, but also you know, I

592
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: just think I just think it has to end a disaster,

593
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: you know. Wow, Well, I think it always happens to

594
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: some degree, Like I started a goal mine in Afghanistan.

595
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Eight months jail, I go to Saudi Arabia. I spent

596
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: three months there, you know, because they suspect on a terrorists.

597
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: Long long story, you know. See, things just seem to follow.

598
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: So what I was considering is, you know that Haiti

599
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: is in a state of like borganization right now, a

600
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: bunch of civil wars due to different terroristic factions fighting

601
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: each other and capitalizing one another and eating children as such.

602
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: Right maybe I don't know, I don't sure, I don't know.

603
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the state. Well, there's an island of north

604
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: called Tortica, and you might know if from prior to

605
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: the Caribbean, and it had a population of like ten

606
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: thousand people, and they want separation from rest of Haiti.

607
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: It's got a bunch of oil up north, and it

608
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: has the highest deposits of iridium on the mainland, So

609
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of yummy minerals. And I'm thinking, I mean

610
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: speaking to some of these people through Airbnb and some

611
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: contacts I have on the island, and I think with

612
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: about fifteen million dollars, I can create a coup on

613
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: the island and basically install new government and declare independence

614
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: because all the factions on the mainland are constantly fighting,

615
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: I need to raise a little bit more money. But yeah, you.

616
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: Said, you didd fifteen million dollars total.

617
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: Yes, that's to sustain a population of two thousand foreigners,

618
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: so American, Europeans, whatever, in order to defend the island

619
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: against any attack and also build enough infrastructure to be

620
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: self sustaining within two years roughly.

621
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: So what you would do is you would go to

622
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: to what is this call I don't called Tortuga.

623
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: Tortiga, Tortilla. So if you look on a map of Haiti,

624
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: it's twenty miles in length roughly up north from Haiti,

625
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: like a tiny, low sliver of an island, you know.

626
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean you look at a British Virgin Islands saying

627
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: hits neighbors.

628
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: It's a little yeah, it's a bit of okay, see

629
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: you So okay. So you're telling me that there's a

630
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: bunch of people on the island of Tortiga that want

631
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: independence from Haiti, and you're thinking about going down there, uh,

632
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: gathering enough money to start a coup and basically starting

633
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: a war of independence from the island of Uh Tortiga

634
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: against uh, the Haitian government, and I basically you would

635
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: head that revolution and then uh hopefully in your plan,

636
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 2: you would win and then declare a new country. That's

637
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: that's your project.

638
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: Basically as you do. Well, okay, here's the thing. There's

639
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: no there's no guns on the actual island itself. It's

640
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: not even got a police station. So you need to

641
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: fund in that area.

642
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to fund the independence war yourself. Yeah, yeah,

643
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: that'll yeah, yeah, I think that'll. I think that'll scare

644
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 2: the hose for sure, if you if that's your new plan,

645
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: if that if that's what you were talking about not

646
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: wanting to do.

647
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but then do the hose even have I

648
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: guess a a an option, because you know, if I'm

649
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: a world leader on an island, if I quite loosely

650
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: am part of the UN or own a micronation, I

651
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: think that's your I think I think they'll scare many hose,

652
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: but also many hoses like that.

653
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: In general. As a genuine question. Yeah, first of all,

654
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: I still one hundred sent believe you that this is

655
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: a project to think about doing, and I also believe

656
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: you probably are You could probably figure out how to

657
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 2: get that money if you're hanging out. Uh, well but listen, listen, listen, listen. Yeah,

658
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: you said you're already you're already independently, Well, you already

659
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: have fifteen million dollars.

660
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: No, a few million, but not fifteen million.

661
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: Okay, and you could easily figure out how to raise

662
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: that money.

663
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Not easily, but I think it's worth exploring, and I

664
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: think it's possible. You know, you hear people raising money

665
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: for some dumb fuck app on social media, and you know,

666
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: becoming a five hundred million dollar business withalue of launching.

667
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: I feel like countries make money.

668
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: Are you afraid of dying? Though? Like, if you do this,

669
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: you might get like killed.

670
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: This is going to sound, it's going to sound a

671
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: little bit messed up, kind of excited forward to the

672
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: most I'm found of excited. I'm I'm quite religiously Christian,

673
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: So I believe if I die, if I've done things correctly,

674
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: if I pray enough engineer repent, I go to heaven. Right,

675
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: So I've got to be honest. I'm just tired, man,

676
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit tired. You know, I've been in

677
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: prisoned a few times. I actually have no criminal record, bizarrely,

678
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: and you know, dealing with these people from the Taliban

679
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: to the North Koreans to Ukrainians and everything in between.

680
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: And you know, again he shot out a few times

681
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: and so on, you kind of to get a bit

682
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: worn out. And of course, you know, I guess if

683
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: you part of the army, you have, you know, someone

684
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: directing you, so you kind of just follow instructions. But

685
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: I have to do everything as I go, and then obviously,

686
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's obviously a bit lonely again.

687
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, of course.

688
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm in the city and I literally hear the voices

689
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: of the Taliban sometimes walking down the street, and if

690
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: I start speaking back to them in that language, they

691
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: look bewildered. And I can't see to a normal person

692
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: the I'm a white person, a British person who I

693
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: could relate to. And then some of my friends are

694
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: just friends of me because I have money and they're

695
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: just lady bumps. I've got to be honest. And then

696
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, when I when I meet my girlfriend's parents,

697
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: you know that's gonna be tough too. And sometimes, you know,

698
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: the whole lifestyle obviously will damage relationships. When I went

699
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: to prison, Babe in Taliban jail, kind of ended one

700
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: my relationships, you know, And I don't blame her, because

701
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, if your boyfriend's Taliban jail, it's kind of

702
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: a kind of tough to maintain a relationship. Taliban actually

703
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: offered conjugal visits, but I said, no, that's a bit weird,

704
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, it's a bit of a weird

705
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: dynamic create Miles.

706
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: Miles, Yeah, if I are you can I ask you, Cassie,

707
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: if he thinks one is are you are you? Are

708
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: you actually open to any perspective I might offer you

709
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: on this. I'm gonna offer, but I'm curious I could

710
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: genuinely I I'm gonna assume you mean that genuinely.

711
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: No, genuinely, I wouldn't be calling you if I wouldn't

712
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: waste your time, basically.

713
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Miles. I believe that if you're like going

714
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: out to the front line, I mean, if you're going

715
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: out to the front lines of Ukraine and you're like

716
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: doing all this up with the Taliban, I believe, first

717
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: of all, I believe you. I believe that all this

718
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: stuff happens. I believe that you have a thing in

719
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: you that, uh, whether it's because of your disposition or

720
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: because of your religion or whatever. I believe you have

721
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: something in you that's really tired and doesn't care if

722
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: you die. And I believe that if you really wanted to,

723
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: you could totally figure out a way to go down

724
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: to the island of Tortuga and fund an independent military

725
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: coup against the government and start your own country, and

726
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: that you might totally get kidnapped or die in the

727
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: process of doing that. Like I don't, I really don't

728
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: think you're fucking with me. And I just want to

729
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: say to you because you like, I feel like the

730
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: fact that you're calling me and asking me for advice

731
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: on this means some part within you doesn't want to

732
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: die or doesn't want to like like that you you're

733
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: just tired, and you're just like, fuck, man, my life

734
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: has been so fucking weird and I can't relate to

735
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 2: anybody because if I talk to anybody about this stuff,

736
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: like it's I just feel insane, Like there's just my

737
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: life has just been so fucking weird that there's no

738
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: place for me anymore. So the only option that I

739
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: have is to do this other grand, insane thing that

740
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: might result in my death. And like, listen, man, you

741
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: could do that, but like me personally, I would enjoy

742
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: seeing the version of Lord Miles that lives to his thirties, forties, fifties,

743
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: sixties and seventies, having found a way to channel his

744
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: energy into something where you can still be a businessman

745
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: and you can still do things that are exciting but

746
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: not fucking die or challenge dangerous government's head on. You know, Like,

747
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: I just don't want you to like do a bunch

748
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: of reckless shit just because you don't care about your life,

749
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: like like I think you do. I think you do

750
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: care about your life, you know.

751
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, I've had some friends for

752
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: three or four years and they haven't said anything like that,

753
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: and they haven't had as much respective that you have.

754
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: You've honestly told me things that you know I could

755
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: articulate mentally, but that makes perfect sense. And honestly, you

756
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: give me better a boce and a lot of people

757
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: I've known for many years. You are great and it's

758
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: why I called you.

759
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, of course, man.

760
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: I mean it's just like I just think, like you're

761
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: twenty six, man, Like there's there's whatever the fuck your

762
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: life has been so far, there's something after it I

763
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 4: mean it'll be really you know, I mean, like.

764
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: Like listen, I've I've maybe it's because I went to you.

765
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: I did not I have not been to the front

766
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: lines of Ukraine and I've not been to Afghanistan. But

767
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 2: like I've like you're but like, you know, whatever, I've

768
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: met people, I've read things like nothing you're saying is

769
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: like what There's no way that any of that could

770
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: possibly be true? Like we live in an insane universe,

771
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: and I think it's maybe hard for uh people to

772
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: grasp that, and it's going to be hard for people

773
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: to grasp that for you. But I think if you

774
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: just like kind of approach the rest of your life

775
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: like humbly, you know, you there's there's there is life

776
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: beyond whatever your life has been, uh thus far, you

777
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: just have to kind of find of, Yes, you have

778
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: a girlfriend.

779
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, she's wonderful. She's she's ansty great she so

780
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: she basically just DMed me. I've got a little bit

781
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: of a following. She DM me and we've just been

782
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: talking ever since. She's very sweet. I don't want to

783
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: go too much detail. There's some weird people out there

784
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: that might try and you know, doc her or something.

785
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: But she's just she's just wonderful. I talk about her

786
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: for hours. She's she's anaty, the best. I want to

787
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: give her everything, and you know, I just want children someday,

788
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. I want to get married. I

789
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: want to give her cute little things I want to do,

790
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, boyfriend and girlfriend stuff together. You know, I

791
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: just want to make her happy basically, And you know,

792
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: she kind of likes this stuff, and I don't want

793
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: to die obviously for her. Yeah, Email, I have that

794
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: feeling that you described. It's like, I'm not I'm not

795
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, walking on landmines to see if they go off.

796
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: You know, I've got some preservation amongst myself. But sometimes

797
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: I just kind of think, you know, if I if

798
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: I get shot out, be okay, you know.

799
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: And I like, can I do you want to be

800
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: anonymous on here? Because I know you do have a file.

801
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean people can probably find you. He's I mean,

802
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: we said your name.

803
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: Trust me, they people know me. It's all good, all right?

804
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: So can I say what your thing is?

805
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: My my ex? Or no?

806
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: Like, no, you're a YouTube channel and shit.

807
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah sure, yeah, yeah, okay, so.

808
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: You're lord miles. Yeah, okay, yeah, you have a you

809
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: have a Wikipedia page.

810
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean when I was a kid, I thought,

811
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, Wikipedia page also official. But it just kind

812
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: of happened one day. You know, do you have a

813
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page?

814
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: I did not have a Wikipedia page.

815
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Someone making a Wikipedia page. This happened. Yeah, I've got

816
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: to be honest. When I was in Taliban jail, I

817
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: had I had some Internet access, so there was an

818
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: unsecured Wi Fi hotspot nearby on this laptop. I remember

819
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: distinctly downloading on your podcast as an MP free file

820
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: and listening to it, and like, that's how. That's how

821
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: I know you. Like, I respect what you do a lot,

822
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: and you're very funny and actually genuinely helpful to a

823
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: lot of people. You know, there's been some clips moments

824
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: out there. No, it's okay, the Taliban Gecko Alliance.

825
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know. I'm gonna push

826
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: back on Taliban Gecko alliance.

827
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: For legal reasons, not true, true, for a lot of reasons.

828
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: But but I will say, listen, but I believe you,

829
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: and you're coming to your I think you're making a

830
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: genuine I believe everything you're saying emotionally as well, and so.

831
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: Like a conflicting feelings.

832
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, dude, like, okay, you you wrote a book,

833
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: you're doing okay, dude, why don't you like dude, I

834
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: feel like, okay when yeah, you have a following online,

835
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: you're doing all this stuff, Like, dude, you could go

836
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: you could go straight pretty easy. I think you know

837
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like, I like, I see like you

838
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: love your Okay, you love your Let's hold sorry I

839
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: got distracted a little bit. All right, so your girlfriend.

840
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: I think I got distracted. I wanted to bring you

841
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: up because I did want people. I think a lot

842
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: of people are going to think that you're working with me.

843
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: And then but this is a real conversation.

844
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: No, no, I promise, Yeah I know you're not. I

845
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: can then prove if you.

846
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: Need I I already I already I know, I already

847
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: I already know. But okay, so you love your girlfriend,

848
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: she's great. Yeah okay, and and you and I but yeah,

849
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: and uh, could you see yourself just having like a

850
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: normal fucking life where you're like a family man and

851
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: like you know, I'm kids.

852
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: Would yeah, I would have to be doing something, but

853
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: that makes sense. It might be I know, yeah, there

854
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: has been something because I guess in a few years

855
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: if I, if I want to, I'll never have to

856
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: work again if I just you know, like for example,

857
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: next thing is I'm going to sell a few tanks.

858
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: Long story, but you know I've got time and money

859
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: at that point, right, and so I need to occupy

860
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: my time.

861
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: Sorry, you have three million dollars.

862
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to say the exact amount, but it's

863
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: a decent amount.

864
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: Okay, why can't Yeah, I mean you can, like you

865
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: can let you. I thought, do you not already have

866
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: enough money? I mean you're not like retire in style,

867
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: but is that not enough money already?

868
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: That?

869
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: Like do you need to be selling tanks and ship like? Like?

870
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I feel like, imagine, imagine you

871
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: had something similar like that in the nineteen seventies, right,

872
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: not three million, but equivalent, you know, and then all

873
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: the hyperinflation happened. You know how she used to be

874
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: what ten thousand dollars? And then you know, all these

875
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: years later, you know what made you rich in nineteen seventies,

876
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: It's really tough you'd be rich in twenty fifty twenty five.

877
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: That sort of money and then market crutches.

878
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I did some moss.

879
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

880
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: Now now I know, I know, I know that your

881
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: I know that your current financial plan is to buy

882
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: and sell tanks. But have you ever heard of something

883
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: called foreign and domestic index funds?

884
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, the Y s and P five hundred.

885
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I could, dude, just like, Dude, Miles, just

886
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: take the money that you've made, put it in fucking

887
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: index funds and then go like do just dude, do

888
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: like just get like I get it that you like,

889
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: I get it that like selling tanks makes your dick hard,

890
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 3: But like, why can't like what I refuse to believe?

891
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what I believe. What I believe is that A,

892
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: you're clearly in some form of like strong disturbance over

893
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: the way that you your current lifestyle is subconsciously. So

894
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: you're what, You're in some form of disturbed. I mean

895
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: you you wouldn't be we wouldn't be having this conversation

896
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: if it were in fact that you're you're in some

897
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: form of disturbance or some kind of mental uh no, no, no,

898
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: uh cognitive dissonance. You're in some form of cognitive dissonance.

899
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: Sometimes I look at people I look at I look

900
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: at people working sixty hours a week barely gain by.

901
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: Why don't you sell tanks? You know what I mean?

902
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: It would be in a lot better financial position.

903
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: You know what, you know? Sure, sure, but selling tanks

904
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: doesn't have to literally mean selling tanks, like you, there's

905
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: a lot I.

906
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: Mean I'm taking yeah, but I'm taking tanks away from

907
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: the Taliban. I mean, you know, it's kind of a

908
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: good thing, I guess, you know, if you kind of

909
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: anti Taliban, and they're not they're not modern times like

910
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: World War one wants. It's just some collector in the

911
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: US would like get hot on for it, you know.

912
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like like if you're three million dollars, but

913
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: like buy a fucking laundromat.

914
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: Dude, like you have, what do you want to do

915
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: with all this here? Let me ask you this, Let

916
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: me ask you this, what kind of because here's the thing, right,

917
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: you can you can if you if you really want

918
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: to go and like get yourself into even more crazy

919
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 2: trouble for money, like whatever, but like what do you

920
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: want to do with this money? Dude? Like like you

921
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: must have an idea because retirement you must have an

922
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: idea before you want to like go do all this

923
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: crazy stuff and like make a You have to have

924
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 2: an idea of like what you actually want your life

925
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: data day to look like. Right, And then you might

926
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: find that whatever that life is does not require you

927
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: to like need ten million fucking dollars, right, Like you

928
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: might just be like you might be like, oh, I

929
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: want to fucking go to like a some nice suburb

930
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: of England and buy a house and live with my

931
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: girlfriend and have kids and like whatever. And you might

932
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: find like, oh, actually, not only do I not need

933
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: ten twenty million dollars from selling tanks to live this lifestyle,

934
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: but actually the actions and the behaviors that go into

935
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: the lifestyle that selling fucking tanks for the Taliban requires

936
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: me to live actually takes me very far away from

937
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: the lifestyle I actually want to live, were I to

938
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: sit down and think of it. And then you're doing

939
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: this like weird circumventation where you're like spending time doing

940
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of crazy shit to make money to fund

941
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 2: a lifestyle that you could just be living. Like skip

942
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: the middleman, dude, Like just what do you what life

943
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: do you.

944
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: Want to live? I've got to be honest, I have

945
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: a nice apartment. I'm just renting. If I own a property,

946
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 1: it means I have to pay income task and don't

947
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: pay income tax a moment. But I'm kind of minimalist.

948
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: I actually sleep on the floor like a pillow and

949
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: a quilt. I don't really need money to be I

950
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: guess contempt. I would like a nice environment, like a

951
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: like a nice desk or something, okay, But so then

952
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't really need I think I'm just gaining money

953
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: for the sake of money. I used to be Yeah,

954
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: you're you're very poor. Yeah, I group like on I

955
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: guess the equivalent to welfare it's benefits of the UK.

956
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: And I was. I was so poor I couldn't afford

957
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: like a DS. I really wanted a DS as a kid.

958
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: I never got one, like an attendo DS, and and

959
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: then I was homeless eighteen. It was a crappy family situation.

960
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: But I think I'm just one monthly for that security

961
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, that mental security. But you already

962
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: have it, you know, I just.

963
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: It just but also yeah, but also.

964
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: Like you also have to like like nothing's free, you

965
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, like what security are you

966
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: giving up by doing this crazy stuff.

967
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good point. I mean I've almost

968
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: been like mock mock executed like a few times. Yeah, dude,

969
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: you know. But also at the same time, like, despite

970
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: me almost being executed, I never felt more alive. I

971
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: think I'm an adrenaline junkie.

972
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 3: You know.

973
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're probably you're a dreas Listen, I'm zero.

974
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I'm a version of

975
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 2: an adrenaline junkie. I'm definitely not to your level of

976
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: an adrenaline junkie, but I I I sympathize with the

977
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: the feeling and I'm telling you And by the way, dude,

978
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: you're kind of like it's like a it's like Walter White.

979
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Breaking.

980
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: Bed Well, I'm boldings.

981
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Barth White. It's like if it's like

982
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: the whole the whole show. He keeps going, I'm doing

983
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 2: this for the family. I'm selling meth for the family.

984
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: I'm selling it for the family. And at the very end, Skyler,

985
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: his wife is like quit saying you're doing it for

986
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: the family. He goes, he goes, he goes, no, I'm

987
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: not he goes, I did it for me. I did

988
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: it because I like you're doing it because you're addicted

989
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: to the adrenaline of the thing. And I and what

990
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying is, I see in you a guy who

991
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 2: wants to live.

992
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: I see it.

993
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 2: I see in you like half a guy who doesn't

994
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: give a shit if he dies because of uh the

995
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: the whatever the fuck thing. I see within you a

996
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't give a shit if he dies, but

997
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: also a guy who really wants to uh live. You know,

998
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: you're capable of uh loving your girlfriend, You're capable of

999
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: uh wanting to just like a desire for new and

1000
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: novel experiences. I guess I understand that it's hard if

1001
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: you've uh lived this insane life that you've lived, to

1002
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: uh find pleasure and enjoyment in things that don't involve

1003
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: you almost getting fucking executed. I I know, I know,

1004
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,479
Speaker 2: I know, I know how that feels. But I think

1005
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 2: I refuse to believe that you have sentenced yourself forever

1006
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: to a life where you must put yourself in uh

1007
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: an insane amount of danger to feel normal. If I don't,

1008
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 2: I don't have I don't have the It's gonna take,

1009
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a longer process than just like this

1010
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: phone call to figure out what that lifestyle would look like.

1011
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: But I just I just refuse to believe that you're

1012
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: now like sentenced to a life where you need to

1013
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: fucking overthrow the government of Haiti to feel normal.

1014
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like a problem. Yeah, I guess,

1015
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of guess the people around

1016
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: me keep egging me on a little bit, and they

1017
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: of course.

1018
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1019
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: I just I like the idea of these things, Like

1020
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: if if some it's all made a movie about I

1021
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: think it would be like a like an aesthetic and

1022
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: it makes sense like a post nati to download. But

1023
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: also it's actually I do acknowledge it is retarded, like

1024
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: a really stupid, dangerous lifestyle. But like I think there's

1025
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: a few easier ways to make a few million dollars,

1026
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like there's some easier way

1027
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: to do this.

1028
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's listen, you're already like way do I feel

1029
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: like people do that? Like, okay, listen, like just take

1030
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: the money you already have and like just do something

1031
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: that's less uh you know.

1032
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean I thought about I did by you.

1033
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.

1034
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: Well, I basically wanted to start this a podcast, like

1035
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: do you know this? Like, for example, I just want

1036
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: to go to I guess I want to go to

1037
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: these interesting countries, right, like the same reason you went

1038
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: to Iraq. And instead of like doing this dangerous business

1039
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: when I almost get executed, I just want to sit

1040
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: down with I guess, dangerous but interesting people, just a

1041
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: normal conversation, and I guess to a podcast. Like there's

1042
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: this one guy who's called General but naked in Liberia

1043
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: and he was a cannibal and I've been meshing on WhatsApp.

1044
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: He seems kind of you and I become a Christian.

1045
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: He's repented and he's doing some good stuff. Now you know,

1046
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: obviously what he did eating children's heart, that's a bit

1047
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: messed up. But you know, he wants to he wants

1048
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: to meet up with me, and he's a fan of me,

1049
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: and I think like he could be the first podcast

1050
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: guy for me, you know, but he can just I

1051
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: can go there. I get my cameraman, we film like

1052
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: a two hour conversation. We get some clippers to clip

1053
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: the whole thing, some good editing, some good lighting, and

1054
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: I think if I do bad cross several other countries,

1055
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: like I've got this one North Korean diplomat in the

1056
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: EU who's interested, And I don't know, do you think

1057
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: that's a good middle ground? I don't or not.

1058
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: I actually know exactly who you're talking about, because he

1059
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: have you ever seen the Book of Mormon? Not a musical, no,

1060
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: that music in the book. There's a character in the

1061
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: Book of Mormon called General but fucking Naked, who's based

1062
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 2: off of General butt Nake. I've heard of this guy before.

1063
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what do I think about that?

1064
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I would because I think you can go

1065
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: to any country and not have problems just as a

1066
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: quick taurus like I've seen white women go to like

1067
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: Somalia and Libya that you just don't arrive in like

1068
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: instantly die or something.

1069
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: Yea, there, I mean you here's the thing. I'd be

1070
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: a hypocrite if I told you to like completely stop right,

1071
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: because I uh, I'm I also have a bit of

1072
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: a bug of like, uh, I mean, I don't. I

1073
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: don't try to go out of my way to talk

1074
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: to dangerous people. I just try to talk to fucking whoever.

1075
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: But I think I just think you should like not

1076
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: try not to get too in over your head and

1077
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: try not to do things with this idea of like

1078
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck if I die or not.

1079
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: You know know, Fuck, it's hard for me to dude,

1080
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 2: it's honestly so hard for me to have this conversation

1081
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: with you just because like I I mean, I I'm

1082
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm nowhere near I don't like, I'm not into like

1083
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,479
Speaker 2: crazy hardcore ship. But I also I've had the same

1084
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: like conversations with my friends before, like going to Iraq

1085
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: or Ukraine where they're like I mean, but also like

1086
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, I but I but I'm I'm not

1087
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: as hard like I. I wouldn't go to the front

1088
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: lines of Ukraine, you know, I went to Kiev.

1089
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: Of like, yeah, you have common sense? Yeah, once again

1090
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: though real recognize is real?

1091
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you this though, Let me ask

1092
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: you this, yea, just because do you have do you

1093
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: I want to talk about just your normal life? Like

1094
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: do you you have friends? Right?

1095
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's a close knit so called don't

1096
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:53,919
Speaker 1: makes sense?

1097
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: Who are these friends? Like do they and you said that.

1098
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: They are well.

1099
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 2: Like like literally two.

1100
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: Of them, Like what do you know? Two of them?

1101
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: I make up I make up thirty percent of the

1102
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: Afghan Tourism Ministry. So I do a bunch of tours there.

1103
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: Two I just charge people like free k ahead to

1104
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: bring them to Afghanistan in groups of ten or so.

1105
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I met a few of them and

1106
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: they're like minded and we just kept in contact afterwards.

1107
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: That's good. And I've got one friend who who is

1108
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: trying to start an airline, like a shipping freight service.

1109
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: And he's kind of crazy too. He it's it's really bizarre,

1110
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: Like he's even crazy in me in many ways. I

1111
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: just like I kind of admire it to some degree,

1112
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: but it also scares me. Like, for example, I was

1113
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: into Saudi Arabia under investigation. I was like arrested there

1114
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 1: and I was under surveillance clearly. But he walks into

1115
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: a Starbucks in Saudi Arabia and just goes, oh, hello, hh,

1116
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: can I have the Hitler coffee? And they would just

1117
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, sure because they're not English speaker natively,

1118
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: and they'll just give him his coffee. But he just

1119
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: does that in public situations friend of anyone. He just

1120
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: he's a definition of going the hose. It's a really

1121
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: good friendship. Like he would just walk into any retail store,

1122
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: cafe if it's England, America, he lives in Australia or

1123
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: even Saudi Arabia, like it happened with us, and he

1124
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: would just walk in and go hello, h h you

1125
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: know it's central Ohio and he would go can I

1126
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: have the Hitler cappuccino? And they just wouldn't even look up,

1127
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: and they'll go, yeah, okay, there'll be two dollars and

1128
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: you'll pay okay, And he.

1129
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: Does that everywhere. Yeah, it sounds like you have It

1130
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: sounds like your social circle is full of a lot

1131
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: of guys who like are like edgy people who like

1132
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: to provoke yeah and think okay. So yeah, it sounds

1133
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: like your social circle is filled with a lot of

1134
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: like edge people who like to provoke. And I it.

1135
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: I would have to take a gander and say that

1136
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: when you say some shit like I'm thinking about starting

1137
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: a a coup in Haiti, that the friend of yours

1138
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 2: who's going around, you know, saying like fucking like doing

1139
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, I get the sense that that

1140
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: friend is not going to respond to you by going hmm,

1141
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: what what would be best for miles? I assume he

1142
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: is going to respond to you by being like, oh

1143
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 2: that sounds awesome. Yes, please create further destructure please whatever.

1144
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: You know this this does not seem like a person.

1145
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I listen, I don't know this dude, but

1146
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:56,439
Speaker 2: it strikes me that his modest operendi is provocation more

1147
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: than it is like like you, like you got to

1148
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: surround yourself with people who I could give a fuck about,

1149
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: like you and your well being, not just like what's

1150
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: to do? So are like egging each other on to

1151
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: like do crazy shit.

1152
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: It kind of start on with that whole thing. Like

1153
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: when I when I got back to my apartments a

1154
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: few months after my birthday, I found, you know, an

1155
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: item was meant to be delivered to my house. I

1156
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: called up the shipping people. They delivered it because I

1157
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: was in to receive it, and it was a coffin.

1158
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: And I basically messaged the group chat saying, I just

1159
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: see the coffin in the mail whatstairs It's a threat.

1160
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: And one of my friends joked that he sent me

1161
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: a coffin because he's like, oh, most likely or die

1162
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: soon by you know, your efforts, So you know, we

1163
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: thought it be funny to send you on ahead of time.

1164
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: And they bought. It was like super duper funny, but

1165
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: I kind of just said that. I cofin for ten minutes.

1166
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: And I also slept in it because again it's a

1167
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: little bit more comfortable than the floor. It had padding,

1168
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, huh, you know, you know I

1169
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: don't think my friends. Uh, I a super caring type.

1170
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: It's why I really my girlfriend. She's very sweet and caring. Yeah,

1171
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: my friend sent me a coffin. Yeah.

1172
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who the guy who goes around talking

1173
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: about Hitler. He doesn't sound like the sweetest guy.

1174
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot I can't say about him. It's

1175
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: maybe I'll tell you privately someday.

1176
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: Well, okay, let me Yeah, okay, what's your what's your

1177
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: relationship like with your parents? Your family at least like

1178
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 2: you got like do you have any.

1179
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's gonna be very telling. Oh, very I

1180
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: kind of hope this want to come up. But you

1181
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: don't have kids, you know, I want to I like,

1182
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: I want to be open, you know, I'll be honest

1183
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: because what's the find of you know, not being honest

1184
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: with therapist, right, because you're like.

1185
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: By the way, by the way, I'm not a real therapist.

1186
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure, you know that next thing, next thing, you'll

1187
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: tell me. You know, getko, you're crazy. But anyway, I'm

1188
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: an IVS kid, so you know, I I don't know

1189
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: my real father. You know, no record, no DNA tests. Whyever,

1190
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: there's no laws where I can find out. It's a

1191
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: completely anonymous donation, right. And then my mother, she she

1192
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: wasn't the best. She had some sort of depression, some

1193
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: anger disorders. So I was basically and also an alcoholic.

1194
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: So I was left to my own devices most of

1195
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: the time. I was a very goody two shoes kid,

1196
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: like I was a kid who you said, all the

1197
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: homework and do the extra stuff, and you know I was.

1198
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: I was like a straight a goodie too, too goody

1199
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: two shoes students like never never like never got detention,

1200
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: only Tupe I got into. I denied the Holocaust once.

1201
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: Long story. But and then suddenly I don't know. I

1202
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: get to eighteen years old, and you know, there's been

1203
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: so many incidents when and the police because you know,

1204
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: she's quitelishly a crazy alcoholic. So at the age of eighteen,

1205
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: I secretly apply to university. I get in and and

1206
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: I just leave them the middle of the night when

1207
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: she's drunk, sleeping on the SETTI and I just walk out.

1208
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: I put my keys through the letterbox, I throw my

1209
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: SIM card away. Her new one in changed my email,

1210
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: and you know, never contacted her since she got my

1211
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,600
Speaker 1: numbers somehow. I don't know how she managed to, but

1212
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: obviously I never answered. I just got a bunch of

1213
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: drunken voice messages for out the years, and then one

1214
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: day they just stopped as well. And then the last

1215
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: voice message I heard from her that she was living

1216
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: with my auntie who's also an alcoholic, and she was

1217
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: almost homeless too. But my idea was, seems like not

1218
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: the best person. You know, still my mother, but not

1219
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: the best, but also you know, I can't fix that.

1220
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: And at the same time, if she doesn't want to

1221
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: help herself at the age of like seventy in the.

1222
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 2: Way, I'm I'm sorry I didn't catch it. So your

1223
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: mom was so you were an IVF baby as and

1224
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 2: like your mom had you like as a single mom.

1225
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: She was in she's in relationship with a man, and

1226
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: then that man went to China for business and then

1227
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: he got hit by a bus and died. So she

1228
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: was getting on to like forty years old. And then

1229
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: she wanted a baby, so she went through IVS and

1230
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: then she had me. And at a time it was

1231
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: free because it was like the nineties, so I think

1232
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: it was like a semi new technology.

1233
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: Then you never had you never had paid for it,

1234
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: You never had a father. No, Okay, do you have

1235
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: a siblings or anyone? No?

1236
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: No, well from a DNA test, tennically two half sisters,

1237
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: But I don't know them. I don't know how to

1238
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: know them. It's just on a piece of paperwork basically.

1239
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's no way to contact them. So it's

1240
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: just me. I'm a Taliban. I guess.

1241
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 2: I feel, you know what, it's funny. I mean, it's

1242
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 2: not funny, but but it's like, I mean, that's a

1243
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 2: class that's like a classic story. I mean, that's how

1244
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: people join like terrorist groups and gangs. Is like they

1245
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 2: don't have anyone else.

1246
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: Oh, I've never thought of it like that. That's quite

1247
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: a unique perspective, or maybe a common sense perspective. And

1248
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: I just, yeah, I see, Well, I don't. I haven't

1249
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: enjoyed the Taliban or anythink. I'm a strict Catholic. I

1250
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: even I even get into like religious debates with them.

1251
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: I just see the country has high barriers to entry

1252
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: because none is stupid enough stupidsiness there and yeah and

1253
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: just you know they're ever ruling people there, so you

1254
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: just have to feel that.

1255
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: So so okay, and then what's your all right? All right?

1256
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 2: Miles miles, miles miles, Yes, ye do you want do

1257
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: you want my advice?

1258
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: Of course?

1259
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I've been giving you advice, all righty, But.

1260
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: Be honest with me, be honest, okay, if you if you.

1261
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 2: Want to be honest with okay, if you want to

1262
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: be brutally honest with you, I think that, Okay, My

1263
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: my perspective is, I think you are surrounding yourself with

1264
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 2: a lot of like like Edgy four Channey, right wing provocateur,

1265
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 2: like crazy people who probably don't have your like best

1266
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 2: interests in mind, and that's probably rubbing off on you.

1267
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: And you're probably attracted to this because it's like after

1268
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 2: a lifetime of like not having like fitting in anywhere,

1269
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: maybe you've found the place that you can fit in

1270
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: among like the Taliban or among this crowd. And like

1271
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: I think that that crowd and that these things are

1272
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: just like leading you down a life where you're making

1273
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 2: more destructive decisions, and you clearly wouldn't be like talking.

1274
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be having this conversation for so long if

1275
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: you weren't in some period of reflection as to whether

1276
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: or not these decisions were the best decisions for you.

1277
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: And so I kind of think that there is a

1278
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 2: way I believe, I don't know what exactly it is,

1279
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 2: but there's probably a way for you to ay, most importantly,

1280
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: find a community of people who actually have your best

1281
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: interests in mind. Dude, you're Christian, Yeah, dude, go join

1282
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 2: join a church, like seriously, go join Go join like

1283
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: a normal ass church. You should go join a normal

1284
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: ass You should find a place where you should find

1285
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: a place in the world that you want to live,

1286
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: that you want to have a family, that you want

1287
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:17,839
Speaker 2: to have friends, that you want to have a community.

1288
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 2: Find a place in the world that you want to live.

1289
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: Go join a church, not a crazy ass church, just

1290
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 2: a normal church. Where twenty six year in New York City,

1291
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 2: I was at some fucking I did. I My friend

1292
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 2: took me there because she's a member. I just went randomly,

1293
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 2: the Movement Church or some whatever. There's all these churches

1294
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: where there's like people our age, just hanging out being normal. Uh,

1295
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 2: it'll it'll be an adjustment for you for a lot

1296
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 2: of reasons. But like, just find a fucking church where

1297
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 2: you can just like be around like regular ass people

1298
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: and be a part of a community, you know, and

1299
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 2: well do that and then like see if you can

1300
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 2: make friends with people and find a community where you

1301
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 2: feel like people have people really have your back and

1302
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: they're not just like around you because you are are

1303
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: are also a provocateur on the level that they are

1304
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 2: like you. Just you want to find your real friends, dude,

1305
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: because that's that's what's going to help you make good

1306
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 2: just better decisions.

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: I guess. So go to a small town, join a

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01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: church with young people, and then it's well, I'm a town,

1309
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a village guy. I would to go

1310
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: to London. That's dangerous, but yeah, I guess, go to

1311
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of institutions, local businesses, become regular, strike up conversations.

1312
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, be a regular somewhere it just

1313
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 2: and just be and then just like to try to

1314
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: enjoy just being annoy normal fucking guy. There's a lot

1315
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 2: to enjoy it about it.

1316
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it sounds insane, but I'm always

1317
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: doing so many projects and at the same time, I

1318
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: just I just I just can't slow down, if that

1319
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like.

1320
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: It makes perfect sense. You don't have to, don't you

1321
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: know you don't You don't have to abandon your projects,

1322
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 2: but you definitely need some balance, you know, like like

1323
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: just but like you got to find some balance, dude,

1324
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 2: Like you can still like like if you really want

1325
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: to fucking do like your your your wild uh form

1326
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: of journalism, I'd be a hypocrite to tell you not to,

1327
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 2: but I I can tell you. I'd be hypocrites to

1328
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 2: tell you not to. But I'm telling you from experience

1329
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 2: that you need to find a balance to it because

1330
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 2: you're because you can't. Just like I went to Ukraine,

1331
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: but then I came back and I'm like in New

1332
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 2: York and I have a community of people, and I'm like,

1333
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 2: have a normal I have a version of normal life

1334
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: to plant my feet on the ground, and I tried

1335
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:10,440
Speaker 2: to do that really intentionally.

1336
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: That is what I tell you. How do you find

1337
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: a balance? Like how did you like hang up the

1338
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: mask when you get home?

1339
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 2: You know, I joined the I joined the coworking space

1340
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 2: in New York that I go to to like edit

1341
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: videos and stuff, and I made a bunch of friends there.

1342
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds good.

1343
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, so like find you should find your version

1344
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 2: of like a community, just something where people don't know

1345
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 2: you as like Lord Miles the crazy YouTuber. They just

1346
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 2: know you as Miles and you're just like some You're

1347
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 2: just like a guy, you know, and like it's I

1348
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 2: I I bring up church because church is where I

1349
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: think a lot of is. Seems like it if you

1350
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 2: told me you played pickleball, I tell you to join

1351
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 2: a pickleball place. But like just find I'm but just

1352
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 2: like and then like and then like on the side,

1353
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: and then like when on the side you can go

1354
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 2: on your crazy missions. But like, if all you're doing

1355
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 2: is these crazy missions, you're just you're just gonna fling

1356
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 2: yourself into outer space so far that your head's going

1357
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 2: to be spinning around and you won't know where to

1358
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: you know, look, and it's just it's it's just too much, man.

1359
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I guess I should band it out.

1360
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: I guess what I'll do is I'll move to a community.

1361
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm always in the country, but I'll try and stick

1362
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: around a little bit more, and then what I'll do

1363
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: is I'll also do the podcast, I guess, because that

1364
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: allow me to transition to something else. If that makes sense, Well,

1365
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still giving myself enough, I guess all

1366
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: they adrenine the bush.

1367
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: Also like the yea like the also the like the

1368
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 2: people who are around you, like walking around trying to

1369
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: find every reason to like piss other people off, even

1370
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 2: if they're your boys. It's like you got to really

1371
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 2: take a second to evaluate and go like, is this

1372
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: person is being around this guy like leading me closer

1373
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 2: to the life I want, like to I believe that

1374
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 2: this is like you know what I mean, and and

1375
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 2: don't don't have a scarcity mindset when it comes to

1376
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 2: other people, Like there's there's there's a lot of people

1377
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 2: on the planet that you haven't met that will change

1378
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: your perspective and add to your life. So if this

1379
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: like yeah, if the if the people around you who

1380
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 2: are like sending you a coffin and like joking about

1381
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 2: you dying and like all this shit, like like like

1382
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: take a second to evaluate if those are the folks

1383
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: you that'll kind of get you to where you want

1384
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 2: to be in life?

1385
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, true it was a nice coffin, but

1386
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: not right now. There was one friend she kept. She

1387
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 1: basically kept like crying on the phone sometimes and cried

1388
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: once when we met up, and she was kind of

1389
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: worried about me, saying, oh, you know, I'm Mooragine's gonna

1390
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: happened to you? So on and so forth. And I

1391
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: used to always think that she was trying to hold

1392
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: me back a little bit, or she just didn't understand,

1393
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: because she's very poor herself, and you know, life hasn't

1394
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: gone too well for her, and she's making her own

1395
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: mistakes that I recognize, but for some reason she arms.

1396
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: But then I realized she's actually probably one of the

1397
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: few people that care. And she's said the same things

1398
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: that you've said. Yeah, but I didn't listen to it

1399
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: because she's not a wise getter. You know.

1400
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 2: Again, i'd be a hypocrite to tell you to stop

1401
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 2: going on your crazy adventures because I also going crazy adventures,

1402
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 2: but like have some common sense.

1403
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess this goal has been a crazy adventure.

1404
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 2: Uh well, Miles, Miles, thanks, thanks, thanks for being honest

1405
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 2: with me, Thanks for being vulnari, thanks for putting yourself

1406
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 2: out there. I appreciate it. I hope you end up

1407
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: doing you know, something that feel makes you feel like

1408
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: a normal human?

1409
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, not not talaban or terrorist dogs.

1410
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much. That's too much good, it's too much.

1411
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 4: Uh.

1412
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: I guess that begins with getting rid of some of

1413
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: our weird sessions. Uh. Unrelated though, do you have the

1414
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 1: PEO box?

1415
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 2: I don't have a po box, but.

1416
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: Send me, send me, send me a random address. I'm

1417
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna send you, send me to say thank you. It's

1418
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: not something illegal, I guess to host gaming.

1419
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 2: I'll think about it, man, I'll think about it. Okay,

1420
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 2: I'll think about it. Is there anything else you want

1421
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 2: to say to the people of the computer before we go?

1422
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, just live love laugh. I guess

1423
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: that's one of my famous quotes. And you know, I

1424
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what I was I could say.

1425
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: I guess I think of I think I've said too much.

1426
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: That's quite a right. No, I just oncely, thank you,

1427
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: by the way, you actually actually a very good counselor

1428
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: very good stuff.

1429
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Miles. I appreciate you. Man. Have

1430
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 2: a good rest of the day.

1431
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: I will do God bless you, man.

1432
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: Take care man. That was Miles, That was That was

1433
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: definitely one of the more wild conversations that we have

1434
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: had in a Therapy Gecko history. But I I used

1435
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 2: I stand by I stand by it. I stand by it.

1436
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope Miles makes good decisions. I mean,

1437
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: I like going on crazy I'm not. I don't. I

1438
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: don't do business with the Taliban or interview cannibals or

1439
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 2: anything like that. But I like, I like, uh, you know,

1440
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 2: going on crazy adventures and stuff and I and I

1441
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 2: know what it feels like to get addicted to it.

1442
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 2: But once you start being like I'm ready to die,

1443
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 2: is is when things become too much. And I also

1444
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 2: think you got to develop a form of normal life

1445
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 2: to fall back on, because of all you have is

1446
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 2: your craziness, you will feel like you are floating through

1447
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,759
Speaker 2: outer space. So I hope Miles makes the right decisions

1448
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: and finds some form of peace for himself. And yeah,

1449
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: that's been. That's been the Therapy Gecko podcast. Thanks for listening.

1450
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 2: Shoot me a comment on the Spotify comments. I want

1451
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 2: to know what people thought of this conversation. I am

1452
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 2: very curious what people thought of this conversation. So if

1453
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 2: you listened, if you learned, if you were here, write

1454
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 2: a comment on Spotify. My name is Lyle, I'm a gecko.

1455
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 2: Please go to Therapy Geckotour dot com right now. I

1456
01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 2: am traversing the universe this year to tell stories and

1457
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: do therapy Gecko stuff across the planet of America and

1458
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 2: three Canadian cities. Uh Therapy Gecko Tour dot com or

1459
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 2: check the link in the episode description. I'm Lyle, I'm

1460
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 2: a gecko. Thanks for listening and get bless Goes on

1461
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 2: the line, taking your phone calls every night.

1462
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 3: Goes to ride. He's teaching you cloud in the of

1463
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 3: your life, but he's not really an expert.