Speaker 1: So look, today is special for a number of reasons.
Speaker 1: One is we have a guess we got somebody coming back.
Speaker 1: The homie Bridget tod is you know DC girl, which
Speaker 1: I really love because if you know me, you know
Speaker 1: my mama from DC and a lot of my family
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: So I always love when she when she pull up.
Speaker 1: But she ain't have a lot of time, so we
Speaker 1: tried to have as best conversation as we can. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying, we're gonna talk about beef here.
Speaker 1: Obviously I don't mean wagoo. Yeah, I said, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about like you know, it's when you're not safe in
Speaker 1: the streets. As the prophet Biggie Small has told us,
Speaker 1: rest in peace. I think there's some some some things
Speaker 1: we need to think about, like Taiwan and China got beef,
Speaker 1: which is something.
Speaker 2: That we really better deal with.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if we could deal with that,
Speaker 1: because that ain't our beef for his thing.
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have talked to Bridget about this,
Speaker 2: but you know, her.
Speaker 1: Time was short, and if there's anything your boy respects,
Speaker 1: it's other people's time.
Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about y'all should do the same but yeah,
Speaker 2: here's the thing about China and Taiwan.
Speaker 1: Taiwan make all of the computer chips, like all of them,
Speaker 1: and even the stuff that you don't think is like
Speaker 1: ran by chips. I mean, I know, you know your
Speaker 1: phone ran by chips, but you think about your dishwasher.
Speaker 2: What about every airbnb you.
Speaker 1: Go to Hou it's got a cold to let yourself
Speaker 1: into that that's a chip.
Speaker 2: Your washing machine, that's a chip.
Speaker 1: Like I don't think you realize, like how much of
Speaker 1: our life is controlled by these little chips that Taiwan makes.
Speaker 1: And I mean basically walk around your house. Anything that
Speaker 1: gotta screen on it got a chip in it. I'm
Speaker 1: China got beef with them. And you know, like I
Speaker 1: don't put it past Jijinping to try to pull a
Speaker 1: putin on Taiwan and try to be like you belong
Speaker 1: to us anyway, because you remember that's how that's how
Speaker 1: China feels about Taiwan in the same way that Russia
Speaker 1: feels about Ukraine, where it's like, no, nigga, you us,
Speaker 1: that's crazy beef. But anyway, I really enjoyed my conversation
Speaker 1: with my homegirl Bridget where she dropped some gems about
Speaker 1: some of the stuff she's been working on. So yo,
Speaker 1: let's listen to us. Hood Politics, y'all. All right, let's
Speaker 1: make it happen. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Hood Politics
Speaker 1: Special Edition. We got a return guess. I think you
Speaker 1: were the first and only return guests. We've no, no, no,
Speaker 1: We've had one return guess. Anyway, that's besides the point.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would be so honored. I'm still
Speaker 3: very honored.
Speaker 2: You're still very honored.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the the Homie bridget Todd.
Speaker 2: What's up with it?
Speaker 4: I am so happy to be here. Thank you for
Speaker 4: having me. The last time I was on, I had
Speaker 4: so much fun. And I remember you made this image
Speaker 4: that looks like we were about to drop a mixtape.
Speaker 3: Yes, I loved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about cappin King of cap Yes,
Speaker 1: because I love the way your brain works as far
Speaker 1: as like creating podcast series, because I feel like they
Speaker 1: it's almost like they're like albums, cause it's like it's
Speaker 1: got a beginning and an end, and you're like taking
Speaker 1: us through this journey of like, look, here's a piece
Speaker 1: that's like completed. You know what I'm saying, like a
Speaker 1: fully developed thought. I just love the way your brain
Speaker 1: works when you do.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for noticing. That is definitely what I
Speaker 4: intend to do. I like to tell stories that have
Speaker 4: a beginning, middle, and end, mostly because I like a
Speaker 4: show like yours where it's ongoing and it's a different
Speaker 4: thing every week.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I did to myself. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think about that this morning. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I did to myself. Man, Like this
Speaker 1: was messed up. Prop your said, like, you gotta do
Speaker 1: this every week? Yeah, but every week a new story
Speaker 1: because man, nah, so these and I'm like, and the
Speaker 1: topic I chose, it's like, oh this is due.
Speaker 2: It wonders for my mental health, you know.
Speaker 1: Like it's like bro, Like I was like, dog, I'm
Speaker 1: a rapper, I'm a poet. Man, I like to do
Speaker 1: flowery stuff, you know. But anyway, that's besides the point.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're here. You got a new project that
Speaker 1: it just fits so perfect with us.
Speaker 2: And it's about beef.
Speaker 3: Right, that's right. It is called Beef.
Speaker 4: It is a podcast about out the best juiciest rivalries
Speaker 4: that you've never heard of.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: So. So, first of all, I asked you this bridget
Speaker 1: in one sentence, what's beef?
Speaker 3: Beef is?
Speaker 4: So the way that we're defining beef is very specific,
Speaker 4: because it's not just I don't like this person, it's
Speaker 4: I don't like this person and my that.
Speaker 3: Dislike is fueling me in some way.
Speaker 4: So beefs can be very petty, but they can also
Speaker 4: fuel innovation. They can make they can make the person
Speaker 4: who has beef better and smarter and more effective. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so it's a it's a beef, So to have it
Speaker 4: be one sentence, it's a beef that drives the beef
Speaker 4: haver forward.
Speaker 3: It makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the correct answer I'm looking for is when you're
Speaker 1: not safe in the streets.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Biggie.
Speaker 3: Smart, I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: You missed that one. That is, what's beef is when
Speaker 1: you're not safe in the streets. Anyway, So, such an interesting,
Speaker 1: such an interesting idea. Obviously, beef's happened. The term, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously came from city like you got beef and being
Speaker 1: able to stretch it to this idea of like rivalries.
Speaker 1: It's always funny to me, like watching politicians have beef,
Speaker 1: especially because I'm like, y'all, I'll work in the same office.
Speaker 1: I don't understand how what are you What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? What are you gonna do for lunch? Like
Speaker 1: you guys gotta go to the same buffet thing. Like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, We're.
Speaker 3: Gonna see each other.
Speaker 1: You go see each other because you got to go
Speaker 1: to the say office, Like this is absurd, guys, which
Speaker 1: I think in some ways, like putting the camera lens
Speaker 1: really wide, even on like some inner city stuff like
Speaker 1: there there are there are times that even growing up,
Speaker 1: you kind of like have these like quick moments of
Speaker 1: clarity where you're like, okay, those ops over there, right
Speaker 1: this this rival hood. I'm like, well, I mean you
Speaker 1: only live over there because that's where his mama pay
Speaker 1: his rent. That's the all you reason, Nashal, That's the
Speaker 1: only reason this is my hood is just that's where
Speaker 1: we It's where our parents pay rent. So I guess
Speaker 1: this is where we is, so we don't even own
Speaker 1: these blocks. And then I'm like, we went to the
Speaker 1: same head start, we had the same babysitters, We was
Speaker 1: in the same after school programs in the same county line.
Speaker 1: I don't know understand, just we just decided one day
Speaker 1: we was enemies, Like what are we doing like this?
Speaker 1: This is absurd? You know. Uh So oftentimes when I
Speaker 1: think of, like, at least in our modern uh politics,
Speaker 1: when I think of beef I think of them like that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dog, you you work at the same office.
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it reminds what you're saying reminds me so much
Speaker 4: of that chazy line. Don't die over the block where
Speaker 4: your mom rents. Yeah, you know, it's like by happenstance
Speaker 4: here you live here, Yeah, making it a whole thing
Speaker 4: of like I need to protect this and defend this block.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, yeah, it's not is that is it really?
Speaker 4: Like so you really zoom out like is it doesn't
Speaker 4: make a ton of sense. And it's because I I
Speaker 4: did not grow up experiencing a lot of rivalries and beefs.
Speaker 4: Even as an adult, I definitely have people who I
Speaker 4: I admire them and I see what they're doing or
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't really have a lot of my
Speaker 4: life is not fueled by nemesis and beefs. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't have a nemesis. You didn't have a nemesis.
Speaker 3: I had a nemesis. Do you have a nemesis?
Speaker 2: I did? I remember I was thinking of thinking of my.
Speaker 1: Nemesis and like a high school a little light skinned dude,
Speaker 1: you know, and if you had you since them with
Speaker 1: the amount of melanin, you got equal to my melanin, right,
Speaker 1: and the age we ad obviously my nemesis was this
Speaker 1: little light skinned dude, pretty ricky what they call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty ricky, that's right. Oh I had issue with pretty.
Speaker 2: Rinky, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh So, so when I'm thinking, I was thinking about it,
Speaker 1: like you know, we played a lot of the say sports,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like it was in a lot of same things.
Speaker 1: You know, it was friendly, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: but like on some like Bud low Key though, like
Speaker 1: I don't know if we like each other.
Speaker 3: You know, where is your nemesis today? Do you know?
Speaker 2: I do know?
Speaker 1: And if like what like, if I tell you more information,
Speaker 1: y'all would know exactly who he is. And that's what
Speaker 1: the part that's like, it's kind of I don't want
Speaker 1: to like because it's like, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, we're adults. Now it's so stupid, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But like, well, you know, when we was in middle school,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Uh, it.
Speaker 2: Was a thing, you feel me.
Speaker 1: It never never spoken, nobody ever liked it, never acknowledged it.
Speaker 1: But I know, I know that boy was looking at
Speaker 1: me the way I was looking at him. But he, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he was he was an A lister, like
Speaker 1: an A list celebrity for a while, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And.
Speaker 4: God I have I might tell you, Okay, okay, I'll
Speaker 4: tell you recording already.
Speaker 3: I'm already piecing together some series.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, but I think there were I think
Speaker 1: the way that you're describing it, there was definitely like
Speaker 1: moments where I feel like we did, like as you said,
Speaker 1: like we did kind of push us pushy each other
Speaker 1: to like excellence, because like you know, I didn't carry
Speaker 1: that type of like mass. Like my version of toxic
Speaker 1: masculinity is is is a very specific kind of niche, you.
Speaker 2: Know, breathe.
Speaker 1: I don't have the obvious big truck, you know, soul whatever,
Speaker 1: can you beat me up type type masculinity. I have
Speaker 1: more the like workaholic, I'm going to outperform you. I
Speaker 1: got the hustle problem. You know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: it's just like there is no off days, you know,
Speaker 1: mid work I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Which has its own like rewards and fault like stepbacks,
Speaker 4: right like having that like it's its own weird things.
Speaker 2: I was like, I got niche.
Speaker 1: It's a very niche like because because the rewards are obvious,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, but the drawbacks aren't. Some
Speaker 1: of the drawbacks are like I can't I can't tell
Speaker 1: you how many of my children's birthdays I missed. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because I was hustling. You feel
Speaker 1: me And I'm like, well, how you think you're paying
Speaker 1: for this?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? All that type of stuff.
Speaker 4: It's funny to hear you say this because when I
Speaker 4: think about people, you know, oftentimes creatives, it's like like,
Speaker 4: you're a rapper, you're a writer, you're a a you
Speaker 4: make a coffee company, like you do so much. And
Speaker 4: I think it's one of those things where I love
Speaker 4: that about creatives. How you get passionate about passionate about
Speaker 4: something and you want to explore it, but that that
Speaker 4: means that you're your your hand is always in several pops,
Speaker 4: and you're always very busy. It doesn't always leave time
Speaker 4: for you know, other pursuits in your life. And so
Speaker 4: it's it's both a good and a bad, and that
Speaker 4: it is. I admire that about creatives like yourself, because
Speaker 4: you're definitely like one of the hardest working in people
Speaker 4: in out there, like you are in so many things,
Speaker 4: also showing up for you know, other stuff too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, but that's it. I'm actually reminded
Speaker 1: of my own work, as corny as this is. But
Speaker 1: in my last book, I have a poem about Mars
Speaker 1: being essentially like we're just gonna treat it like another
Speaker 1: gold rush. But like, but the turn of the poem
Speaker 1: is essentially like, rather than looking at space, like look
Speaker 1: at ourselves and like we kind of treat ourselves as
Speaker 1: just a resource, like a fossil fuel, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I'm treating myself like my creativity I
Speaker 1: am just a gold rush. I'm just here just farming
Speaker 1: things out of myself, you know what I'm saying. And like,
Speaker 1: what a what a horrible relationship to have with your talents?
Speaker 5: You know that.
Speaker 1: I just I know, right, I mean, it's like it's
Speaker 1: my own work. But I'm like, god, damn, I'm doing that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Well that really makes me think, cause like it's so
Speaker 4: when you think about you, when you think about your
Speaker 4: talents as a resource that you were just like commodifying. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's such an extractive relationship where you're just like, what
Speaker 4: can I take from it? What can I mind from it?
Speaker 4: How can I turn this into a hustle or a
Speaker 4: dollar or a gig? And it's like.
Speaker 3: It's where is the I mean, I'm thinking about my.
Speaker 4: Own relationship with my work, but it's like, where are
Speaker 4: you nurturing? Where are you blustering?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Like, wow, huh Jesus.
Speaker 2: I know, dude, but we didn't come to talk about that.
Speaker 3: But I'm getting deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's what I like talking to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's a few beets I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about and just kind of hear you spit by them,
Speaker 1: but I want to hear if you can share some
Speaker 1: of the ones that you're going to walk us through
Speaker 1: on your show.
Speaker 4: Well, I gotta start. First of all, I have to
Speaker 4: shout out my team. The Next Chapter podcast team. I
Speaker 4: wish I could take credit for the show. It's really
Speaker 4: a team effort. Our creator Jeremiah Tittle, our producer Pete Musto, Amazing,
Speaker 4: amazing folks. Probably the beef that I am most fascinated
Speaker 4: by is the one between soul singers Joe Texts and
Speaker 4: James Brown, because, first of all, one of the things
Speaker 4: that's interesting about them is that even if you don't
Speaker 4: know who Joe text is, you've probably heard his songs
Speaker 4: and there's a good chance you might think they're James
Speaker 4: brown songs because they sound so much alike, and so
Speaker 4: that is interesting. They both a big part of their
Speaker 4: rivalry was how they both danced on stage, and so
Speaker 4: each of them thought that the other was like stealing
Speaker 4: their signature.
Speaker 2: YEurope movie writer. Okay.
Speaker 3: They would make fun.
Speaker 4: Of each other via dance moves, like you know how
Speaker 4: James Brown would do the trick with the cape where
Speaker 4: he would tend to like it's almost to put a
Speaker 4: cape on him and walk him off stage to make
Speaker 4: fun of James Browne would do that in a biting,
Speaker 4: mocking way, and people it was like very clear. So
Speaker 4: it's it's like petty mean tip for tap back and
Speaker 4: forth on stage.
Speaker 3: Uh, their rivalry ended as as as the story goes.
Speaker 4: At one point came to actual gun play where at
Speaker 4: a Joe Tech's concert, James Brown walked into a nightclub
Speaker 4: and just opened fire and then started handing out one
Speaker 4: hundred dollars bills to people afterward. Luckily nobody was killed.
Speaker 4: But uh, it's like the the stuff, the stuff that
Speaker 4: you think of is like you know, the beat, like
Speaker 4: the way beefs play.
Speaker 3: Out in modern day.
Speaker 4: All of that shit is there, all the ups and down,
Speaker 4: the excitement of beefs are there in these historical beams.
Speaker 3: It's so fascinating.
Speaker 1: That is wonderful, especially because of I mean James Brown.
Speaker 1: As much as he's the godfather of the soul, there's
Speaker 1: so much about him that's like a cartoon character to me,
Speaker 1: that like is which I don't say that in a
Speaker 1: pejorative manner, but just the game dialed up to forty five,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They just larger than life.
Speaker 1: And as a as a personal note on his last
Speaker 1: like national tour, one of my good friends got to
Speaker 1: open for him his little his little white rapper named Braille,
Speaker 1: who's a pastor now, but he was he opened for
Speaker 1: James Brown, and I remember we saw him at the
Speaker 1: Greek Theater right here in la and it was one
Speaker 1: of the most surreal things I've ever experienced.
Speaker 3: I would die of happens.
Speaker 4: It's like a lot one of my life's problems that
Speaker 4: I never got to see James Brown live because I've
Speaker 4: heard his performances were.
Speaker 2: It was unreal.
Speaker 1: So demands in his eighties at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: and all the stuff about his band and all that.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, nah, I get it that like
Speaker 1: perfection the band, right, and and my whole boy was
Speaker 1: telling me just all this stuff. He was like, bro,
Speaker 1: like you have no idea what it's like, Like I know,
Speaker 1: you know what it's like being around old black man
Speaker 1: because you're a black man. But he's like, but touring
Speaker 1: with like sitting back and them showing me like and
Speaker 1: they all want to start producing, so they learning like
Speaker 1: showing them garage band beats, like hey so so young buck,
Speaker 1: young buck, young buck, let me show you like, And
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 3: Just telling can you imagine, Oh my good.
Speaker 1: And you gotta just sit and listen, think about think
Speaker 1: about think about unk, like this is unk.
Speaker 2: You have to listen to unk. You can't walk away
Speaker 2: from unc like and.
Speaker 3: You can't sort of pretend like what he's ground breaking?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta pretend ukn't be Nah, don't play around
Speaker 1: with uck.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Not only is this already uncle, but it's James Brown's band.
Speaker 1: What the hell you gonna say to them? Good lord? Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's a good one. I also heard you talk
Speaker 1: about on was it? I think it was the Zeigeist
Speaker 1: show that you do on one with the about Brent
Speaker 1: Michaels mm hm.
Speaker 4: The rivalry between Brett the Hitman Heart and Sean Michael,
Speaker 4: which is kind of interesting because when I was little,
Speaker 4: I my brothers and my cousins were obsessed with wrestling,
Speaker 4: and so I grew up kind of with it in
Speaker 4: the background of my childhood. My brother loved what was
Speaker 4: that guy, the Undertaker? What was his character?
Speaker 2: He loved of course.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think the wrestling, the wrestling rivalry
Speaker 4: is so interesting because wrestling it's such a performance, right,
Speaker 4: and so everyone knows it's fake, but the rivalries are
Speaker 4: often real, right, and so like it's so interesting of
Speaker 4: this like they're performing, but they really do hate each other.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's like I mean in the same way,
Speaker 1: like I think of that, Like obviously, for me, the
Speaker 1: easiest rivalry, the easiest beef is like the Lakers and
Speaker 1: the Celtics' the la dude, we will We genuinely don't
Speaker 1: like each other, right, And it's just a jersey And
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a man again.
Speaker 2: They just at work, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're coworkers.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm in the I'm in the stands wearing
Speaker 1: another man's name on my back. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Yelling at another guy who owns a whopping zero percent
Speaker 1: of this company.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like what is we?
Speaker 1: But I genuinely don't like like yeah, like except me
Speaker 1: and Sophie, that's what we share, like we genuinely I
Speaker 1: don't even like the colored green, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because because it's Celtics.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I think I recently.
Speaker 4: Watched a Celtics Lakers game a couple of months ago
Speaker 4: at a bar where like a tension, it was a
Speaker 4: close it was a close game, attention was palpable.
Speaker 3: It's like it was like this is this is real?
Speaker 3: This is real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's absurd, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but yeah, the idea, especially with pro wrestling,
Speaker 1: like in the sense that in some ways all sports
Speaker 1: they're just like like pro wrestling is just very mask
Speaker 1: off in the sense that like, no, I'm letting you in.
Speaker 1: But in some ways, every sport has heels and heroes
Speaker 1: and a narrative arc. And because these are for profit institutions,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and there are people moving
Speaker 1: pieces around to make sure that it stays entertaining, you know.
Speaker 2: And even in that, like.
Speaker 1: Like I said, like in basketball, if you just get
Speaker 1: drafted or if you get traded to another team, don't
Speaker 1: care how you feel about that team. You post a report,
Speaker 1: you feel me right, and now it's a new team
Speaker 1: because you're there, you know. So but yeah, the but yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're wrestling, like, yeah, I jumped off my tenth birthday.
Speaker 1: We did a WrestleMania party, Oh my god, and that
Speaker 1: was about it. That was when I was done because
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done with that. It just for me,
Speaker 1: It's like I don't do well, which is what leads
Speaker 1: me to this what I really want to talk to about.
Speaker 1: As far as like the hood stuff are the politics
Speaker 1: stuff is I I don't do well with like with
Speaker 1: with tea and with like like gossip and cheese man
Speaker 1: like keeping up with that, Like I've never done well
Speaker 1: with that like that ever, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So even even even on like some street stuff to
Speaker 1: when it was like, hey, homie age, you hear about
Speaker 1: so and so that food talked about this nigga.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Hey, So we rolled up
Speaker 2: to this party and I'm like.
Speaker 1: I.
Speaker 2: Don't. I wasn't there. I don't. I don't care like
Speaker 2: he said what to who?
Speaker 1: Because he was hitting all your girl, that's not even
Speaker 1: your girl, Like, just I just don't. That stuff is
Speaker 1: exhausting to me, you know what I mean. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: when I realized to be able to stay engaged with wrestling,
Speaker 1: I had to keep up with the like have you heards.
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't keep up with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We have an interview in that episode with a historian
Speaker 4: who focuses on wrestling, who's written like books about it,
Speaker 4: and that was one of the things that he talks
Speaker 4: about in this rivalry is.
Speaker 3: How the the out of the.
Speaker 4: Ring gossip became part of it, right, and so it
Speaker 4: wasn't just about what happened when you stepped into the ring.
Speaker 4: It was about who said what at a party, who's
Speaker 4: partner did this or that? Like, and it involved an
Speaker 4: incredible amount of like lore and who said what to
Speaker 4: understand how these how these men felt about each other
Speaker 4: in the ring. And so it's interesting that like that
Speaker 4: just seemed exhaust I kind of understand why that seemed
Speaker 4: exhausting to you, where it's like, oh, I have to
Speaker 4: care about the backstories of these people, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this?
Speaker 3: You know, it's like I'm not watching Real Housewives.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly exactly, and I yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The idea that there's an entire category of show that's
Speaker 1: just about keeping up with gossip, I'm just like that
Speaker 1: makes me itchy. I'm like, I it's just exhausting to me.
Speaker 1: And I don't for whatever reason, that just has never
Speaker 1: I've never found that entertain sounds like work.
Speaker 3: You already have several jobs.
Speaker 2: I already have several jobs.
Speaker 1: But I think coming up now is probablybably the most relevant,
Speaker 1: like modern and you might know where I'm going with this,
Speaker 1: Like the newest, the newest beef, that's that's that's coming up.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying is obviously it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election, right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, the most obvious beef.
Speaker 1: Now I did a show, Uh, I did an episode
Speaker 1: last year and it was called how fifty did Jah? Now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remind you of this, of this story in
Speaker 1: our lives. You know, this early early mid two thousands
Speaker 1: moment in time when I think people forget how on
Speaker 1: top of the world?
Speaker 6: Jah?
Speaker 1: Rule was like, I don't I know, he's a meme,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But y'all like.
Speaker 2: You was, he was on top of the world.
Speaker 3: He was on top of the.
Speaker 1: World, Like I don't think so easy forget you forget
Speaker 1: like top of the world like Drake level, like Jah
Speaker 1: was on top.
Speaker 2: Of the world.
Speaker 1: World fifty was just this New York, Jamaica Queen's Green
Speaker 1: Lantern mixtape Hungry just street goon, right, and he and
Speaker 1: on the Get Rich or Die Trying album, fifty had
Speaker 1: all these interludes where he was making fun of job
Speaker 1: about singing randomly on songs and on everybody's chorus. So
Speaker 1: he would have somebody rapping and fifty would go.
Speaker 2: Well, what I be with out yo.
Speaker 1: He was just he was making fun of Jaw And
Speaker 1: then and then finally there was My favorite interlude on
Speaker 1: that record was and now jaw Rule featuring jaw Rule,
Speaker 1: right because jaw was on every.
Speaker 3: Song so fucking funny, right, It's really it's like so
Speaker 3: mean and clever.
Speaker 2: So mean and clever.
Speaker 1: But and how clever it was was because it's exactly
Speaker 1: what fifty does. Fifty sings raspy on choruses. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's what you're doing, like you's a window shop. Uh
Speaker 1: mad at me? I thinking, no, you're doing you're making
Speaker 1: fun of job, but you're doing what Joah did.
Speaker 4: Right, And it's so interesting because like that is like
Speaker 4: the there's like a nugget of like what so many
Speaker 4: of these rivalries are about.
Speaker 3: It's like y'all are too similar, y'all.
Speaker 4: Y'all, y'all have the same thing, the same the same
Speaker 4: like you do the same thing, and you just like
Speaker 4: don't like that you're both doing it.
Speaker 1: Yes, And it's like he so in him, just making
Speaker 1: fun of him. He replaced him, like you just took
Speaker 1: his job. So it's like you what you didn't hate him,
Speaker 1: you wanted to be him, do you know what I'm saying, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I'm like and fool. It worked, So in my
Speaker 1: mind I was like this, my friends, is Ron desantles?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes, Also that was a masterful like podcast leap there.
Speaker 3: That was like, that was very well I see when
Speaker 3: you did that. That was very well done.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Respect But yeah, so what do
Speaker 2: you think of that?
Speaker 1: What do you, like, like, talk to me about that
Speaker 1: Beef if you were gonna if this was like ten
Speaker 1: years from now and you were doing a Beef season
Speaker 1: seven and there'd be a few episodes about Ron DeSantis
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump, Like, what would some of the stuff
Speaker 1: you would talk about in that?
Speaker 4: Well, I think kind of like what you were saying
Speaker 4: with John fifty. In my view, I think that Ron
Speaker 4: DeSantis is doing Trump, and I think that he's doing
Speaker 4: Trump better than Trump does Trump, and I think that
Speaker 4: Trump's nervous about that.
Speaker 3: Like I think that Ron de.
Speaker 4: Santis is doing the same kind of shtick that Trump does.
Speaker 3: He has.
Speaker 4: The thing that's so insidious about him is I think
Speaker 4: that he has identified some of the ways that that
Speaker 4: Trump's whole like horrible, racist, transphobic nonsense shick. I think
Speaker 4: he identified some pressure points of ways that it didn't work. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so he's not gonna do those things, and so
Speaker 4: he he's just as repugnant, but he knows how to
Speaker 4: pull it back just enough.
Speaker 3: You know, he knows how.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, well, there are some things that are unseemly,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna not do that.
Speaker 3: In my book, it's almost like worse that he's able to.
Speaker 4: Kind of have kind of present a sort of more
Speaker 4: palatable version.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what Trump does.
Speaker 4: I think I honestly think that he's really studied Trump
Speaker 4: stick and knows how to make it my.
Speaker 2: Man gestures of everything exactly.
Speaker 4: And also I worry that Trump was someone who was
Speaker 4: easily undone by things like ego, and I wonder if
Speaker 4: that is true about Rohnda Santas.
Speaker 1: I wonder that's good because yeah, like he's a Trump
Speaker 1: that can govern and that's what to me, what's what's
Speaker 1: what's also what's very insidious about him?
Speaker 2: I'm like, he can actually he can actually.
Speaker 1: Do the job said like you know where you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: Trump's pretending to be an elected official, Like he's like no,
Speaker 1: I he actually knows what he's doing. And that is
Speaker 1: like again, the fifty did jah thing because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: fifty care like really rap right? I was like, and
Speaker 1: he's actually a great businessman because we know how murder
Speaker 1: inc went.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I wonder, like you said, I wonder what. I wonder
Speaker 1: what the Centrus's pressure point is. And I also wonder
Speaker 1: so with this, like the Dominion Machine lawsuit happening and
Speaker 1: the screenshots coming out with the Fox News correspondence like
Speaker 1: them all in the group text, which is like, damn,
Speaker 1: you broke the rules, cuz y'all let the screenshots come out,
Speaker 1: like homie, you never let the group text come out right, like.
Speaker 2: That's just rules.
Speaker 1: Like and I feel like, now, as a side note,
Speaker 1: I will say this, I feel like anything said inside
Speaker 1: of the group text should not be You shouldn't be
Speaker 1: held liable.
Speaker 2: In court over stuff in the group You shouldn't.
Speaker 4: That was Ted Cruise's undoing when he tried to Fleet
Speaker 4: of Mexico during that storm.
Speaker 3: His own group chat betrayed it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I feel like that you should that the
Speaker 1: group chat should be where you should be.
Speaker 2: You should be complete.
Speaker 1: Everyone's allowed to be completely masked off in the group text.
Speaker 2: I I completely agree.
Speaker 1: I yes, but In that group text, they were mask
Speaker 1: off talking about how much they can't stand in this
Speaker 1: nigga trump right, which to me in some ways and
Speaker 1: this is why I'm trying to send them the Sansus.
Speaker 2: In some ways was a relief.
Speaker 1: In the sense that I'm like, you don't really believe this,
Speaker 1: Like and it's like you know when you looking at somebody,
Speaker 1: you looking at them, and I'm like, wait, are you
Speaker 1: You're messing around like you're you don't really believe you
Speaker 1: just you just getting your money? Right, Like tell me
Speaker 1: you just getting your money? Ain't no way you you
Speaker 1: don't really believe this, do you?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So in some ways I felt a sense of relief,
Speaker 1: like oh, okay, okay, cool, Like you don't really believe this,
Speaker 1: you just getting your money.
Speaker 2: And then you and then you flip back around.
Speaker 1: To be like you're a monster, like you like you
Speaker 1: really damn you really just did this to get your money,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I say that to say,
Speaker 1: I wonder if if DeSantis is the same is like,
Speaker 1: and if he'll ever wink at us and like, well, no,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: What a good question, because I know when the whole
Speaker 4: like group chats and stuff coming out and like correspondence
Speaker 4: it was. I have been following Tucker Carlson's career for
Speaker 4: most of my adult career, and I think this is
Speaker 4: the first time that we ever got like contrition from
Speaker 4: him or he was like, oh, I have to acknowledge
Speaker 4: that what I say on television and what I've said
Speaker 4: privately are two vastly different things. This might be the
Speaker 4: first time, at least since I've been monitoring Fox News,
Speaker 4: that we've ever gotten that from him. I wonder about DeSantis.
Speaker 4: That's such a great question if he if will ever
Speaker 4: get a kind.
Speaker 2: Of wink and not like you know, yeah, like will
Speaker 2: he ever sort.
Speaker 4: Of acknowledge like this is all just I'm just trying
Speaker 4: to get paid, I'm trying to get power.
Speaker 3: If this is what I have to say, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 1: And then to know like cause I just you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, like Trump's ego is like I mean,
Speaker 1: rice paper than you know what I'm saying, So you
Speaker 1: you know, in some senses, like he's lived so long
Speaker 1: in his own like delusion that like, oh you really
Speaker 1: believe this? You know what I'm saying I feel like
Speaker 1: somebody like in the Santus is like and I'm even
Speaker 1: thinking like the way he first responded to COVID, like
Speaker 1: cause y'all remember his first response was like everybody else is,
Speaker 1: which is like, yo, this is a y'all gotta get
Speaker 1: your vaccines.
Speaker 2: Man, it's out here.
Speaker 1: Crazy and this is bad. This is bad everybody. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: that's don't okay. You know what beaches are open? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like, you know, so the
Speaker 1: way that he flipped so fast to me is like,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not a dynamic like mind change, Like
Speaker 1: you didn't. You didn't change your mind. You you played
Speaker 1: the game, you know what I mean. So I just
Speaker 1: kind of wonder, I wonder when. I wonder if and
Speaker 1: when he'll ever like like kind of wink and gunnas.
Speaker 3: That's such a good question.
Speaker 4: I think I definitely see him as someone who is
Speaker 4: playing the game. And again, like I think Trump was,
Speaker 4: continues to be like an awful, repugnant human being who
Speaker 4: has no place in government or anywhere else but lucky,
Speaker 4: lucky for us, he is a small man, easily undone
Speaker 4: by his papers and ego.
Speaker 3: As you said, and so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm curious to see what So yeah, like like yeah,
Speaker 4: will the santis be the same way, like like what
Speaker 4: are his what are his like pressure points and frailties
Speaker 4: that will be his undoing because.
Speaker 3: That's the thing like people who we're talking.
Speaker 4: About, small men who don't stand for anything, they don't
Speaker 4: have values, they don't have they don't have codes, and
Speaker 4: so it's gonna be for when a man doesn't have
Speaker 4: a code, there's always.
Speaker 3: Gonna be something that will be his undo. It's just
Speaker 3: like it's just like how it works.
Speaker 1: Absolutely you nailed it, you always got to have to
Speaker 1: have a code or some gonna undo you, which which
Speaker 1: brings me to my last question this like, so now
Speaker 1: I'm picturing it's it's almost like a foregone conclusion that
Speaker 1: they're going to be the two top likenomies, right, So
Speaker 1: I'm picturing their debate and I'm picturing their posturing, right
Speaker 1: And because again in my mind, I'm like.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at fifty cent and job rule to me,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like John made a number of like
Speaker 1: mistakes trying to like answer fifty because fifty is like
Speaker 1: in some ways it's kind of weird because fifty is
Speaker 1: like the ultimate troll, Like he's Fifty's funny every Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's the hard part. It's like he's actually very funny,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think we've all we've all like
Speaker 1: kind of accepted the fact that that fact about Trump,
Speaker 1: Trump is genuinely funny, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: he's actually funny.
Speaker 2: So but Trump pell troll, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I just kind of wonder, like, what would be
Speaker 1: your prediction on how this beef is going to play
Speaker 1: out when it's on a debate stage.
Speaker 4: Oh, what a good question if I had to say, So,
Speaker 4: I agree with you as much as I cannot stand Trump.
Speaker 3: He's funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has a he has a like he understands media,
Speaker 4: like he's a reality TV guy, Like he understands television
Speaker 4: and media. Yes, I don't think that Ronda Santis like
Speaker 4: like Ronda Santis has never said anything funny. He's not
Speaker 4: someone who has demonstrated that, like like he loves a stunt.
Speaker 4: But there's a difference between being being someone who is
Speaker 4: a stunt queen and somebody who was actually can like
Speaker 4: the cameras on you deliver a line, and so I
Speaker 4: think that Trump just really has that has that gift.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, if you come up in a
Speaker 4: reality TV it's not surprising that you know how to
Speaker 4: get an audience and you know, you know how when
Speaker 4: the camera's on, how to how to drop the.
Speaker 2: Line, Doug. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if he Yeah, I wonder if he's
Speaker 1: gonna play it like straight and just being like sir,
Speaker 1: like I mean, because I'm picturing like I would it
Speaker 1: would just be like like damn man, like you were
Speaker 1: my hero, Like I would be playing it like that,
Speaker 1: like bro, like I believed like you were my hero man,
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand. You have so much you need
Speaker 1: to handle right now, Like you don't even have time
Speaker 1: for this, you know what I'm saying, Like, Bro, didn't
Speaker 1: you just get indicted.
Speaker 3: Though faithing active like you might go to jail.
Speaker 1: You're finna go to jail, fam Like how you even
Speaker 1: got time for all this?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We just did the episode that I think came out
Speaker 1: before this one that's when it releases. Is we basically
Speaker 1: talked about j Cole's song No Role Models, which is
Speaker 1: essentially like you know, don't save her.
Speaker 2: She don't. She don't want to be saved.
Speaker 1: She all said so, like, and I feel like that
Speaker 1: is like half of the GOP is screaming, listen, he
Speaker 1: don't want to be saved, y'all.
Speaker 2: Like, no, that man, listen, he hitting the lick. He
Speaker 2: want to hit. He don't want to be saved.
Speaker 3: Completely agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like if I'm Rond Santos, that
Speaker 1: would be my answer. I'm like, we can't be captain
Speaker 1: save Aho out here, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta we gotta country to run. Man, he
Speaker 2: don't he don't want to be saved, y'all.
Speaker 1: See this, Like if you on stage, like you see this,
Speaker 1: this who we are? Like, he don't want to be saved, y'all?
Speaker 1: Like it is what I'm trying to tell you. It's
Speaker 1: not like that man don't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: But what is this dude? Like he don't want to
Speaker 2: be saved?
Speaker 4: Y'all?
Speaker 2: That's what I would do.
Speaker 4: I think that would be like if I was advising
Speaker 4: the Santis, I would give the exact same advice, you know.
Speaker 4: And I think like Trump is the kind of guy
Speaker 4: that you can give him enough rope to hang him exactly.
Speaker 5: You can.
Speaker 3: You can.
Speaker 4: You can like let him take the stage and be like, well,
Speaker 4: is this what you want governing? Like yeah, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, all that, that's exactly it.
Speaker 4: You let the man talk and then you be like,
Speaker 4: what did you just say?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 1: Like you just said a million things. You ain't even
Speaker 1: answer the question. Listen, guys, I'm saying that. It just
Speaker 1: turned to the crowd and just be like, we can't
Speaker 1: I don't even know what this man said.
Speaker 2: Like you don't like.
Speaker 3: I can't run into this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't respond to it because I don't even
Speaker 1: understand what he said. Did y'all understand what he said?
Speaker 1: I don't know what was you talking about? Why did
Speaker 1: you talking about the twenty twenty elections? Still like that's
Speaker 1: a whole president ago, Like that's what I would say.
Speaker 3: You say, great advice.
Speaker 4: If the Santus is listening, he can take that advice, Ronnie,
Speaker 4: or don't take it.
Speaker 3: And then Louke, yes, I.
Speaker 2: Also have this.
Speaker 1: I also have this last theory, which I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is provable, but like when I
Speaker 1: see his name, ron DeSantis, I'm like, you think I
Speaker 1: don't know your name is Dessantos.
Speaker 4: Ooh, it's not funny how like how he was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I grew up in Tampa Bay, which is like a
Speaker 4: very like Latino neighborhood area. And he was like, but
Speaker 4: I identify as someone from Pennsylvania. It's like, first of all,
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania stolen valor.
Speaker 2: You can't just like yeah, culturally.
Speaker 4: Claim Pennsylvania when you're from Tampa Bay and also Tampa Bay,
Speaker 4: like be proud of Tampa Bay. It almost seems like
Speaker 4: a like a like a fuck you to Tampa Bay community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would you not be De Santos? Like everybody
Speaker 1: who is De Santos? And I'm like, DeSantis, you made
Speaker 1: that name up, bro, Like you're trying to wipen your
Speaker 1: name of dog. Y'all know you made that up your
Speaker 1: name Like I used to think that about like Devin Nunis.
Speaker 2: I'm like, your name is nun Yez. You gotta here.
Speaker 2: I know what you're doing because like you got a
Speaker 2: Spanish name. Why did y'all?
Speaker 1: Why do y'all do this? Ted Cruise, you are Raphael? Okay,
Speaker 1: why why do y'all do this? Yo? Anyway, Well, I
Speaker 1: don't want to take um all your time, cause you
Speaker 1: got things you gotta do. Can you please tell everybody
Speaker 1: where to find you and all that good stuff?
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