1 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Y'all can't help but love an adorer. She's an author, reporter, 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: TV producer, true crime legend. She's hosted her own show, 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: True Crime with Aphrodite Jones. She has covered trials high 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: profile like Scott Peterson, Michael Jackson, BTK, Dennis Raider, and 5 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Honey when she's not writing movie scripts and doing fabulous 6 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: parties and crime con and different things. Always stunning for Lawless. 7 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: I've never seen her look even half, not completely put together. 8 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: Come on now, Cheryl, not sure the truth? 9 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: That is absolutely the truth. You're one of the main 10 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: reasons this ain't video, it's voice only. I ain't gonna 11 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: be compared to you looking crazy. 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: Who love you, Cheryl? 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: I love you, and listen, we are not going to 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: waste any time because you and I have got to 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: talk about a case that when I first heard about it, 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: it took me a second because I'm like, how how 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: did this even happen? There should be so many layers 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: of protection for everybody on a movie set, y'all. Of 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: course we're gonna talk about Alec Baldwin and some other folks, 20 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: but that's how everybody knows this case, and you know, Aphrodity, 21 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna let you tell 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: us where we're gonna start, and I'm gonna follow you. 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you drive this train. Because there's so 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: many lawsuits and people. Everybody's sueing everybody, and some people 25 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: get in charge, some people not getting charge, some people 26 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: making deals. You almost need to flow charte. So you 27 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: just you just take it away, all right. 28 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: So first I want to say that in the history 29 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: of filmmaking, there has never been a live round of 30 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: ammunition on a set. I have talked to everybody on 31 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: my Hollywood people. I've talked to prop masters. I mean, 32 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: I've been around the Rosie here just to see. One 33 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: of my friends, who who has his own studio, talked 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: about the fact that he and he had his wife 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: was his first wife was murdered. This is a guy 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: who carries a gun in general. Okay. He told me 37 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: that the other time there was ever a real live 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: AMMA on any set was when he not on set. 39 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: But even within the scope of where krinbya set was 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: where he had a separate building, where he had a 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: completely separate situation where he kept his own guns. It 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: wasn't a part of the set. It wasn't part of 43 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: what the props were going to be with them, So 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 2: that was that's what I've heard around the block. Now 45 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: come to this case and let's talk about how these 46 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: bullets got onto that set. We have never had anybody 47 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: shot on a set before because there's never been live ammo. 48 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: We had two deaths based on Black's being pulled okay, 49 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: which have a violent discharge of their own and can 50 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: cause harm and did in two cases. But I mean, 51 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: what were you thinking as a cop how this happened 52 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: or why this happened? 53 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: Listen. I was so stunned about it because my idea 54 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: of Hollywood, none of it's real. That's not really. The 55 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Empire state building, that's not really. A bomb, that's not really. 56 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: Even the love scenes ain't real. So how in the world, 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: because you know, you think, okay, you know, the car 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: jumping the bridge and explosions and people getting shot, it's 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: never real. You know, they've got the blood bags, they've 60 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: got all this stuff to make it look that way. 61 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: And to me, here's one of the first things that 62 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: did cross my mind when I first heard it. I 63 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: was like, how is this possible? There's no way, there's 64 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: no possible way that anybody took a live round to 65 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: a movie set. The next thing I thought about is 66 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: in my job. My police department is right next to 67 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: the airport in Atlanta, as you know, has become like 68 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: Hollywood of the South. They're making movies all over Atlanta. 69 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: Now we have actually had prop people come into my 70 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: police department where they call me as the evidence person 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: and the crime scene investigator because they want to self 72 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: confiscate weapons. They want to just give them to us 73 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: because they don't want to get on an airplane with 74 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: them and they don't need them any longer. But even 75 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: that shocked me that these weapons are real. I thought 76 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: everything was like three D or plastic or made to 77 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: look I had no idea. I had no idea for. 78 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: The most part. You know, a lot of that is 79 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: to make it look. But as time has evolved and 80 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: with the HD, and you know that with realism being 81 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: so important to filmmakers on and always has been. In 82 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: terms of prop masters, you know, you see something from 83 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: the City Extige in the seventies. Every single thing is 84 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: in puri you know, down to the chewing gum, down 85 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: to the bowls that they eat out of in a 86 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: seventies set, you know, you get that old pirate stuff 87 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: coming up. They're very, very particular about keeping things as 88 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: real as possible. Now when it comes to weapons, they 89 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: do use real weapons on sets, but they are only 90 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: filled with dummies and occasionally with blanks when they have 91 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: to actually do the scene rather than rehearse it, so 92 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: that there's some smoke that comes out of the gun, 93 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: but in no circumstance ken that kills someone on There 94 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: were two instances I had referred to. One was a 95 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: young man who took the gun to his head in 96 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: a Russian roulette scene and it had a blank in it. 97 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: He didn't know that and it killed him. And the 98 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: other was Bruce Lee's son who also was killed in 99 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: a freakish way by a blank. That's it in the 100 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: whole history of Hollywood filmmaking. So again, not live bullets. Yes, 101 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: real gun, but not live bullets. So how did this 102 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: bullet get there? And I have a story that I 103 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: want to tell about that that I learned in watching 104 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: the Alec Baldwin trial. How familiar are you with Belle Reid. 105 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: I know about him and I know that's how she 106 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: got in the business, but I don't know enough about 107 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: him to you know, tell a story. 108 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me. I'm gonna give a little backdrop here. 109 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: So fell Read has been in the business for sixty 110 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: years and he is a legend in that field with 111 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: all with propmaster and then became, you know, an armorer. 112 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 2: I mean, this man could twirl a gun around sixteen 113 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: ways from Sunday and I knew what he's doing, knows 114 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: what he's doing best of the business. It just so 115 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: happens that bell Read was working with another gentleman who 116 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: I'm just going to call a concerned citizen, and let's say, 117 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: by the name of Troy Teskey. I don't knows you've 118 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: heard that name in the trial, But Troy Tesky and 119 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: Phil Reid were down in Texas working on the set 120 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: of eighteen eighty three. You know what I'm talking about, 121 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: the prequel to Yellow Sculling. Yep, right, So that's a 122 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: big Western it's back in time, it's eighteen eighty three. 123 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: There's lots of guns, lots of action with guns. And 124 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: what they decided to do the filmmakers wanted to get 125 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: certain people of the cast together and have them learn 126 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: about real guns and shoot real guns and shoot real 127 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: bullets and take lessons in it so that they could 128 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: quote bond with each other, but also so that they 129 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: would have know what it's like, so that when they 130 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: go to act the scene they know how to perhaps 131 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: react to the gun or you know, what the violence 132 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: of it is. So that's where the bullets were. The 133 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: bullets were, at least from what I can detern here 134 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: piece together. The man Troit Teskey has said publicly that 135 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: about the fact that they built this, they went to 136 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: a separate area of the of the property and created 137 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: a you know, a shooting race that was entirely safe 138 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: with the with the backstop and everything needed to be. 139 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: And there were a few cast members there and they 140 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: did the practice round shooting real ammunition. They had the lessons, 141 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: they did what they did, and when it was over, 142 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: the Tesky, this man holds film reads ammunition for him 143 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: at his warehouse in Albuquerque. So that's been the way 144 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: they've done things. Like you say, Atlanta is the Hollywood 145 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: of the South, well, Texas in that area, you know, Montana, 146 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: Arizona kind of the the what the Hollywood of the Midwest, Okay, 147 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: And so he's got his ammo there with his buddy 148 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: for many years now that and munition gets driven to Albuquerque, 149 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: and then somehow another the person who goes to get 150 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: the ammunition who has driven it is somebody evolved in 151 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: the set of Rust. Okay, obviously how did he get there? 152 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: So there's another character in this story whose name is 153 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: Seth Kenny, and Seth Kenny is the person who went 154 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: to retrieve the ammunition. He actually had his assistant go 155 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: and get it, and she was on the phone with 156 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: her directing her what to do. And he got that ammunition. 157 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: She brought it to him and his prop warehouse, and 158 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: he never really checked it, and he says he did. 159 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: He testifies that he did, but obviously he did not 160 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 2: because live bullets wound up on the set of Rust. 161 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 2: Why am I saying this? Why it's important is that 162 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: first of all, no one could have figured out how 163 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: that happened. And it's only recently that we did tre 164 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: this out when it was Baldwin's trial was on in 165 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: the first few days. This person, Troy Tesky, is the 166 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: one who brought a bag of ammunition to Hanniguichier's Read's trial. 167 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: He believed he was going to be called as a witness. 168 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 2: He brought a bag of ammunition that matched the bullets 169 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: that were found at the scene and the bullet that 170 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: killed Helena. Hutchins that that bullet the man the bullet 171 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: and other six other bullets al tonal six bullets on 172 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: set matched these bullets precisely. So he was shocked because 173 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: he had come to the prosecutor, the special prosecutor Morrisey, 174 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: and said, look, I have bullets. They match. I'm going 175 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: to bring them in. I want you to test them, 176 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: and she ignored them for a year, didn't want anything 177 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: to do with it. So when he gets to the trial, 178 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: he realizes he's not going to be called as a witnesses, 179 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: that the preliminary is not going to be called. They 180 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: don't hear about him. He now watches the trial. He's 181 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: got the bullets in his storage, in his car or wherever, 182 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: and he walks into the Santa Fe Police department and 183 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: hands over it says, I have evidence I want to 184 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: give to you here. It is just like people here 185 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: you guns. This guy handed over a bag of bullets 186 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 2: and we heard testimony and this is where the trial went. 187 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 2: Arrived for Alec Baldwin from the CSI officer who accepted 188 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: those bullets. Yep, I saw that video, okay, And that's 189 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: where this thing fell apart with Alec Baldwin, because now 190 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: you have this woman testifying that, yes, I was handed 191 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: bullets and what did you do with the bullets? Well, 192 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: I filed them. I put a document and I documented there. 193 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: What do you mean documented? And it turns out we 194 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: discover she was told by somebody higher up to document 195 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: this and file it under a separate case, not under 196 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: the rust case. Right. So now come to find out 197 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: when the when the offense attorneys hear this, they realized 198 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: she's hiding others. This is something should have been tested. Certainly, 199 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: the defense needed to test it. This could have explained 200 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: and would explained most likely how the bullets got on set, 201 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: because one of the things that the prosecutor was alleging 202 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: in the in the gutieris Read case was that she 203 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: brought those bullets onto the set. Not just that she 204 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 2: was negligent in the way that things were handled, but 205 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: that she brought them on the set. Well, it looks 206 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: to me like Seth Kenny is the one who was 207 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: negligent there in terms of those bullets getting to the set. 208 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: And if if you might recall or might've seen in 209 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: commentary Seth Kenny was helping the law enforcement when they 210 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: were looking at things, trying to explain to them what 211 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: prop guns were like, what prop bullets were like, but 212 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: dummies were like. He had so much involvement there which 213 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: he had no business and involvement that it was like 214 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: he protests too much, if you understand I'm saying, I believe, 215 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: truly believed that he was busy trying to point fingers 216 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: at anyone he could, this prop master, Jeff Kenny, in 217 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: order that he wasn't the one who brought the bullets 218 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: there or got the bullets there. I think I think 219 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: it's been proven, at least to my satisfaction, that this 220 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: is how they got there. They got there through sept 221 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: Kenny's negligence and not testing those bullets, by having those 222 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: bullets come from a set from Texas which belonged to 223 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: THELL Reid. It's ironic that those were fell Reads bullets, right, 224 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: because it's his daughter who winds up in prison because 225 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: of those bullets. And I think the reason that Karen 226 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: Lawressey didn't want to analyze or tall or have anything 227 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 2: to do with the bullets is because She knew that 228 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: Troy Tesky was a friend of thell Read's, so she 229 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: probably thought this could be a setup. Again, this is 230 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: me just you know, coming up with my own theories here. 231 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm not. 232 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: I'm just guessing here. I know that she was aware 233 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: that Phil Reid was friends with the person who handed 234 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 2: in those bullets, tro Tesky. Bottom line boom. She hid 235 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: the most important evidence, the bullets that could and did 236 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: match actually was discovered, the bullet that killed Helena Hutchins. 237 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: There's no justice here. She's out for blood. She's out 238 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: for making a name for herself as well, I might add, 239 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: I mean, whoever heard of Karrie Morrissey before she was 240 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: appointed as a special prosecutor. Here, she's going to be 241 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: on TV. It's going to be her O. J. Simpson moment, 242 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, the whole world is watching. This 243 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: has never happened in the universe before. Here's an a 244 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: list actor Alec Bull, who knew mean you say his name, 245 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: there's no question he's in a lister. And he's also 246 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: somebody known for problems with you know, violence, and you know, 247 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: for that crazy voicemail he left for his daughter calling 248 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: her page and all this other stuff. I mean, I'm 249 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: not saying that he was beating people up, but he's 250 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: certainly gone after some paparazzi. In essence, though, what I 251 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: want to say is this, she called Alec Baldwin an 252 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: arrogant ahole. Okay, we found that out. We also found 253 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: out she called them other curse words. She hated her, 254 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: and she wanted to get him. And as soon as 255 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: it turned out that the FBI was able to establish 256 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: that the gun that was used on set had to 257 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: have a trigger pulled in order to fire, she went 258 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: back after Alec Baldwin. Now because you know, I had 259 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: been dropped. And then you know, he was cleared or 260 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: so called, and then later on he was indicted again 261 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: by this special prosecutor. So you know, I want to 262 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: ask you something. Did you ever think that Alec Baldwin 263 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: did not pull the trigger? 264 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: I never once thought he didn't pull the trigger. He 265 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: had to have pulled the trigger. 266 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: And that's that's what I think, And every expert I 267 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: have looked to watch searched out says the same thing. 268 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: I can't imagine how you would have the gun cock 269 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: back like that and with your finger on the trigger. 270 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: And there are photographs of him, by the way, with 271 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: his finger is listen on that trigger. 272 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: Here's the deal, the number one rule when you're teaching 273 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: a young person or a rookie or anybody, you never 274 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: point that gun in another person. Ever, you don't do it. 275 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: And again in Hollywood, there's a way that it looks 276 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: like they're maybe standing in front of each other, but 277 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: you can do that camera angle where they're not. Really, 278 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: there's no reason for this to have ever happened. I 279 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: don't care who you are, whether your grandpa taught you 280 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: to shoot, or a drill sergeant in the army, or 281 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: somebody get a police academy. That statement came out of 282 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: their mouth. Don't ever point it at another person. And 283 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: my dad even told us there's no such thing as 284 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: an unloaded gun. You don't ever act like it's unloaded. 285 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: You don't treat it like it's unloaded. It's always loaded. 286 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: So with that said, he should have never pointed that 287 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: weapon at Miss Hutchins. 288 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, But again now here you have the special prosecutor 289 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: who obviously thinks that way, you know, and now we 290 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: find out, oh no, he had to have pulled the trigger. 291 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: So she goes after him. Now under the auspices that 292 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: now it is being tried as only an actor, not 293 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: as an actor or producer. They didn't find that out 294 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: until the judge made that were ruling right before the 295 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: trial started. That was a big hit against the prosecution 296 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: because had Ellen Baldwin been tried as a producer, Tiger 297 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 2: stam because I know Hollywood Land pretty well. I've had 298 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: three books mating two movies and etc. When the a 299 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 2: star gets a producer credit on a film then not 300 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: really producing the film. They're just getting extra money and 301 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: having the name on as a producer. They're not literally producing. 302 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: Producers are in back rooms and you know, in sound 303 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: rooms and rooms with equipment. They're putting stuff together. They're 304 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: putting budgets together and all of that prior to the 305 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: you know, prior to the set rolling and all of that. 306 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 2: They're not He was not We know in Hollywood that 307 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: you're not actually producing. But he still had the title 308 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: of producer, So technically I don't care if he's notelf producing. 309 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: He is listed as a producer on that on that 310 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: film as well as the Store, and in the role 311 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: of producer very different than an actor handling a gun. 312 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why because producers are responsible for 313 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: the budget. And this goes directly to Alec Baldswin, even 314 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 2: though he's not a producer, so called Alec than was 315 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 2: making a vanity film. This is all about. He's sixty 316 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: six or sixty four years old and he wants to, 317 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 2: you know, be the cowboy again. He wants to be 318 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: in the scene. He wants to be the star. And 319 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: this is going to be great. But it's going to 320 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: be a five million dollar film and it's going to 321 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: be done on a shoe string. And he who do 322 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: you think was going to collect the most money out 323 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: of that whole budget? Alec Bawl, He dos that you that? 324 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: Yep, let me ask you this because I'm so grateful 325 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: that you have that you know, insight, you know, because 326 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: of your books being made to movies and working with 327 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: different actors and producers. The one thing that stood out 328 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: to me when when everything was really coming out is 329 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: the first assistant director. Now again I don't know much 330 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: about Hollywood. I know a director says action cut tape, whatever. 331 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: What does the first assistant director do? And the reason 332 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: I'm asking is we were told that David Halls is 333 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: one that handed him the gun and first hollered out 334 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: cold gun, which means no live, Amma. 335 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: It is not unheard of that an assis director will 336 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: hand somebody abrop and even a gun. It's not that 337 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: is not unheard of. However, the protocol is that the 338 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: armorer is supposed to be in the room, that the 339 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: armorer is the one to be handling the gun in 340 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: all circumstances. So this those two again the sloppiness of 341 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: the set, and what I was getting at was that 342 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: the there was a there was a fast, quick and 343 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: dirty sense of this is going to get done in 344 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: this film, and it didn't matter rules, regulations, didn't matter 345 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: about safety. And I say this because there was a 346 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: situation on the set of Rest where the crew was 347 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: being mistreated and they felt that this that that the 348 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: UH set was unsafe, that the safe circumstances was unsafe. 349 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: Why do I say this, First of all, somebody who 350 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: wrote a text saying that two guns had gone off 351 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: to the two guns had gone off prop guns at 352 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: some point and they have felt that things were unsafe. 353 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: This is not on set. It's in and around the set, okay, 354 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: behind the scenes. That text is there, that email is there. 355 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: We saw it early on before the trial started. There's 356 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: another issue here. The crew, a Union crew on this 357 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: set were from Albuquerque. Now Santa Fe is about fifty 358 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 2: miles from Albuquerque, I know it well, well know both 359 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: cities well. They were originally contracted to do twelve to 360 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: thirteen hour days and be housed in a hotel in 361 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: Santa Fe. However, when the films actually started rolling, that 362 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: crew were told, oh no, we're not putting you up 363 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: in a hotel. You got to drive back and forth 364 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 2: from Albuquerque. And it turned out one crew member was 365 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: sleeping in his car. Because if you work a twelve 366 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: hour day, think of it. You're working from six in 367 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: the morning till six at night, maybe seven. Now you 368 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 2: go to drive fifty two miles I was home, and 369 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: then turn around at five o'clock in the morning the 370 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: next day and drive fifty two miles back. It's completely 371 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: unsafe if you're doing this for weeks on end. And 372 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: the crew was demanding, not only making complaints about unsafe 373 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 2: things going on on the set, but also saying, we 374 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: can't do this anymore. This isn't what we've bargained for, 375 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: this isn't right. We're not being treated right. So then 376 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: you walked off to the set Cheryl that morning October 377 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 2: twenty first, okay, twenty twenty one, then walked off the 378 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: set because of the unsafe practices. 379 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: That's insane. And see, here's the thing that keeps going 380 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: through my mind. In order for mister Holls to have 381 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: a prop there to grab and again, y'all, I don't 382 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: know nothing about movies, but I've heard people say that, 383 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: like when they're working with dogs, there's only certain times 384 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: a day. You've got to make sure they're not in 385 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: the outdoor heat. You got to make sure they have 386 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: food and water. You've got to make sure they've got 387 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: plenty of time to rest, and you know, be walked 388 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. The same for children, I've 389 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: heard all this stuff. They've got to still go to school, 390 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: they've got to do these things. You can't overwork them. 391 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: They are allowed to have a parent there whatever. And 392 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: as far as like even a dog handler, I thought 393 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: they had to be right there with the animal, Well 394 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: they do, okay, but there's not somebody there with a 395 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: freaking gun. 396 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: Well that's just it. So there you have it. Okay. 397 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: So now going back to the chronology, here, the crew 398 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: walks off the set and is replaced by a non 399 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 2: union crew the same day that this shooting happens. So 400 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: you have people that aren't really familiar with anybody that 401 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: you know who knows what's going You have footage that 402 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: the Special Prosecutor aired when we started watching the trials, 403 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: showing out falling in other areas, pointing the gun, using 404 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: it as a pointer. I don't know if you saw 405 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 2: that footage. Did you watch part of that trial as 406 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: it was going off, yes, right, and it looks you know, 407 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: he's mister cowboy, mister tea, mister macho, but with an 408 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 2: actual gun in his hand. And like you said, as 409 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: an officer of the walk, you do not to the fence. 410 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: I mean, if it's not plastic, you better know if 411 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: be playing with it. 412 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: Yep, I'm telling you. My dad was so strict about it. 413 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: He even said, like even the little guns that shoot 414 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: the little the little things that have the plastic thing 415 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: that you shoot it sticks to the wall, little suction 416 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: cup thing. But he even said, even that gun, if 417 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: you look down in the barrel, the spring could come 418 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: out and destroy your eye. Like you just don't fool 419 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: with a gun of any kind if it's got a 420 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: barrel and a trigger. Forget it, you don't point it 421 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: at anybody. And again, no such thing as at beging unloaded. 422 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: So to me, you know, you hear about how Guitaris 423 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: Gutiras and you think, okay, well she is gonna file 424 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: a lawsuit herself against the AMMO people. 425 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: Well no she doesn't. Yeah, but okay, so there's a 426 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: whole entanglement. You're right about all that's going on around here, 427 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: with civil suits and liability and all of that. 428 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: Oh, Entanglement's a good word, sugar, because it's a mess. 429 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: It is. What I find interesting is neither of them 430 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 2: took responsibility for what happened in any way. In other words, 431 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: there was no Yeah, they were sorry and they were shaken. 432 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know if you've noticed, but 433 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: Alec Baldwin, he was on the phone. You see that 434 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: iconic picture of him hunched over in the desert there, 435 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 2: you know, And we find out he's talking to his wife. 436 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: His concern while Helena Hutchins is in the hospital, she 437 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: was brought, she was helicoptered out, she died in the hospital, 438 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: she was still alive. His concern is Wayne's family. Now 439 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: it's throwing plans for his family to come out and 440 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 2: see him, and next thing you know, he's planning a 441 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 2: vacation and lands somewhere I don't know, Maine, New Hampshire, 442 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: wrever the hell he went to run away from it all. 443 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: He had no concern about her. Now to me, that 444 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: is the most horrifying thing about all of this. Yes, 445 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: it was an accident. Clearly it was an accident. I mean, 446 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: nobody ever thought there was going to be a real 447 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: bullet in any gun on any set, because there never 448 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: has been one. But still he pulled the trigger, and 449 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 2: you know, his commentary is that actually the cinematographer was 450 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: asking him to point the trigger at her. Now, there's 451 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: other people who testified to this. So this cinematographer is young. 452 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: She was new ish. I mean she was, you know, 453 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: getting her career built up. Her husband was there on 454 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: set as well. She apparently wandered a particular scene where 455 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: you're looking down the barrel of the gun, and that's 456 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: why she had Baldwin pointing the gun at her, which 457 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: her face is next to the camera. I don't get it. 458 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: I mean, that sounds crazy to me that she would 459 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: direct him that way. But you know, there's no calling 460 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: for what art says. You know, people in the arts 461 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: don't understand the law. They don't understand bullets and guns necessarily, right. 462 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: So she clearly didn't get that. 463 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: Memo right, because even with a dummy, something's coming out 464 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: of the barrel of that gun, and it could destroy 465 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: your camera. It could still injure you. 466 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: Going back to Baldwin, as a producer, he cheaped out 467 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: on his crew. He also cheaped out on who he 468 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: hired as armorer. Okay, because this young woman, what was 469 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: twenty four years old. She had only worked on one 470 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: movie prior to Russ And it turns out that on 471 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: the set she was working on a Nicholas Cage movie, 472 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 2: also in the Midwest, and it was called The Old Way, 473 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: she apparently fired off a gun with a blank near him, 474 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: and Nicholas Cage went nuts because she's he said, she 475 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: blew his ears out because you know the fired Why 476 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 2: why do we wear those those ear sets in gun range? 477 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 2: Its sure, because the sound of it can blow your 478 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 2: ear jones out. 479 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this whole thing so unnecessary, one hundred preventable, 480 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: should have never happened, like you said, even starting in Texas, 481 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: it shouldn't have happened exactly. 482 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: No. 483 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: And I heard they were practicing on the set of 484 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: Russ too, that they were bonding and shooting live m 485 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: o knocking cans over. 486 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: I think those were blanks. I did hear that in 487 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: the beginning they called it plinking clink. I heard that. 488 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: I did you hear anything about it coming up in 489 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: trial or in Guteers's trial. However, when you hear things 490 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: like that, you really start to wonder, like, how much 491 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: of a old Wild West was this for these people 492 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: on this set? You know, Let's have a good time, 493 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: is what I'm thinking. And then there's a lot of 494 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: drinking that was going on. I want to get to that. 495 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: So so, but let me go back to the fact 496 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: that this young woman good Cheers read was not only 497 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: not only was she inexperienced all right. Not only did 498 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: she only work on one movie set where she pulled 499 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: a trigger out of a blank and practically blew Nicholas 500 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: Cage's ear drums out, but also she had a habit 501 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: of kind of posing with guns and being very on 502 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: the fly with guns. She went into one of the 503 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: restaurants in New Mexico with a gun on her that 504 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: she had was illegal. The prosecutor started to charge her 505 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: with that because she wasn't helping in any way to 506 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: try to, you know, expedite situation or she was. And 507 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: here's the thing, this is what gets me, Cheryl. She 508 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: was drinking all throughout that filming all lots. And not 509 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: only was she drinking, she was smoking. And she has 510 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: a text the night before, uh the killing, where she's saying, 511 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: I don't need that stuff anyway, I'll just be smoking. 512 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: I'm smoking tonight. Now there's there are many people who 513 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: have corroborated the fact that she smoked pot, but not 514 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: only that. On the day after the killing, on the 515 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 2: twenty first of October, Okay, twenty twenty one, Hannah gutirs 516 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: Read has an acquaintance who comes over. People are staying 517 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 2: with her because she's scared, because she's freaked out, because 518 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: she's freaked out because somebody got hurt killed, and she 519 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: has people staying with her. But they need to go 520 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: out and get some cigarettes or whatever they need to 521 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: do it. And so they call over another member of 522 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: the crew who is the craft services person. And this 523 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: person tested by a Gutierris's trial and her last name 524 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 2: is Smith. I can't. The first name doesn't come to 525 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: me now, but Miss Smith testified, No, I was some 526 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: friends with her, but I was an acquaintance and they 527 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: asked me to come over, you know. In the same 528 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: they're saying it an inn in Santa Fe to just 529 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: sit with her and be with her, you know, while 530 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: they went Ransomarrand so while she's there, Hannah gutierists read says, 531 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: can you hold something for me? Sure? What is it? 532 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: She hands to Miss Smith to the Craft Services person 533 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: a baggie with another baggy inside the baggy, and in 534 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: that smaller baggie is a white powder substance. And it 535 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: just so happens that this Craft Services crew member is 536 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: a recovering addict who hasn't touched anything like that in decades. 537 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: But she agreed to hold it because here's this young 538 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 2: woman falling apart at the scene is that she's clearly 539 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: she's drinking, she's who knows what, And she takes a 540 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 2: strawholder for you, and she propably goes and throws it 541 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: in the garbage can when she leaves because she can't 542 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: have it around her. This the Craft Services one because 543 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: it's temptation and Hannah Guziers later comes after her and says, 544 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 2: where's my stuff? There's text with it. I mean, you 545 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: can't make this stuff up. 546 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: Nope. My question is, on a movie set, if there 547 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: is a death, do the insurance company or anybody require 548 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: any drug testing? 549 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: Good question. I can't answer it. I can't imagine on 550 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: those are things that haven't never happened. Really, we have 551 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 2: never seen something like this before where there is a 552 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: death with a bullet on a set, and so, you know, 553 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: it's hard to say, but I know one thing. She 554 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: sure didn't want the cops to find anything when they 555 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 2: were to become maybe search your room, which so the 556 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: reason why when she was there and she got more scared, 557 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: she handed this off. She handed off the bag with 558 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: white powder. The no one could test it. It was 559 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: thrown away. But the woman who testified, the food services 560 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: woman did say whether when the prosecutor asked her, let's 561 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: say it was a packet of sugar, because he wanted 562 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: to know what the amount of it was right by, 563 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 2: her answer was, oh, no, it wasn't sugar. I know 564 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: it wasn't sugar. I know what cocaine looks like. And 565 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: then it turns out when he described how much was 566 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: in there, She said, would have been like five or 567 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: six packets sugar, like it wasn't a little bit