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Speaker 1: Hello friends, and welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is the

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm Chris Welsh. I'm back, and so

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Speaker 1: are the ranks. First big offseason ranks conversation. We've got

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Speaker 1: wide receiver ranks and joining me of course is the

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Speaker 1: one the only Pat Bits Morris and my former awesome

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Speaker 1: co host on Fantasy Pros from a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: who haven't done a show with a little bit. Tara

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Speaker 1: Roberts is in the house, both of two of my

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Speaker 1: favorite people. First off, FITZI, last time I saw you

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Speaker 1: was in New Orleans, so it's a different conversation we're

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Speaker 1: having now. But excited to get back into the ranks.

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Speaker 2: Excited to pull you back into the football sphere Welsch

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Speaker 2: after you've been so busy with baseball in recent months.

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Speaker 2: But good to have you back. You're wearing your forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers finery, so obviously you're getting into the football spirit.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you back, buddy.

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Speaker 1: It is never gone for me. It's just a multi sport.

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Speaker 1: I never no rest for the wicked, as they would say,

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Speaker 1: and Tara, we did not purposely color match, but it's

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Speaker 1: very appropriate as we used to do the live streams here.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready? Do you think like you're appropriately to

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Speaker 1: jump in? And may I ask anybody this for like

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Speaker 1: real proper ranking talking tiers. Is this like a really

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Speaker 1: good time to if not be attached to your ranks,

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Speaker 1: but be having the conversation so we can start adjusting

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Speaker 1: here in May.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the perfect time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, one, we're right after the draft and we're

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Speaker 4: going to about to get all of this rookie information

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Speaker 3: Time to jump in there update, get everything going.

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Speaker 4: And I think the people are ready because I mean, one,

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Speaker 4: we've been talking about rookies, but now it's time to

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Speaker 4: focus on the veterans really yeah.

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Speaker 1: And where they're going to end up placing. So this

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Speaker 1: is and I post that question because this is what's

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Speaker 1: couple of months. Obviously, we are going to be stepping

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Speaker 1: into draft season here in the very very near future.

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Speaker 1: Some whether it's Dynasty, you're already going into that spot.

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Speaker 1: But this conversation today is we're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about our wide receiver ranks and we're going to have

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Speaker 1: a series of a couple of these you guys can

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Speaker 1: watch running backs and then a quarterback slash tight end.

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Speaker 1: So if you watch in season, this is actually how

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Speaker 1: we do those episodes. This is going to create the

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Speaker 1: baseline for we are going to be doing all off

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Speaker 1: season long, and we can see how these ranks are

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Speaker 1: going to end up changing, so you guys can follow along.

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Speaker 1: You can also comment in the comments section about your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on how these ranks are going to go. And

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Speaker 1: as more people start in the industry start putting up

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Speaker 1: their ranks, the consensus ranks on Fantasy Pros will continue

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Speaker 1: to change, and you guys can go and check it

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Speaker 1: out at fantasypros dot Com slash rankings. Go check there.

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Speaker 1: You can see whether it's redraft, it's half PPR, standard, full,

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Speaker 1: whether you want to look at dynasty. You can see

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Speaker 1: what it looks like. And these are consensus ranks from

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Speaker 1: not only us here at Fantasy Pros, but some of

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Speaker 1: the best and most of the best in the industry

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Speaker 1: So if you want to see what this aggregate rank

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Speaker 1: looks like Fantasypros dot Com slash rankings. Let's jump into

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Speaker 1: the rankings and we're going to look at the big

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Speaker 1: board you guys can see exactly what it looks like

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Speaker 1: right now with the rankers that have put it out there.

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Speaker 1: The consensus ranks not necessarily pats, not necessarily terrors or mine.

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Speaker 1: This is the consensus rank in the top twelve of

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. At one, we've got Jamar Chase, at two,

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Speaker 1: Poka Nakua, and three Jackson Smith and Jig. But that

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Speaker 1: in at four, you've got a Monas, Saint Brown, followed

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Speaker 1: So there's some questions obviously that to be had here

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe one of the most prutent ones

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Speaker 1: of your ranks. There's some interesting stuff going on. Pat,

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Speaker 1: you are JSN over Puka. We'll get to Tara here

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Speaker 1: Jason is number two on your board, Pooka's number three,

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Speaker 1: so you have just inversed them versus what the consensus has.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no shade toward Puka. He's a league high one

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Speaker 2: three NFL seasons, he's averaged ninety five point three receiving

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Speaker 2: I think it's yards per route run for his career

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Speaker 2: He destroys man, he destroys zone. Puka plays every down

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Speaker 2: Like he's only missed seven games over three NFL seasons,

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Speaker 2: he's scored nineteen touchdowns over forty four career regular season games.

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Speaker 2: Puka has to share targets with Devonte Adams, who's still

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Speaker 2: only one one fewer game than JASN, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see what terras to say. But

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Speaker 1: real quick, do you think when you see the tier,

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Speaker 1: do JSN and Puka just belong in the tier with

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, or if you're being a little bit more

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Speaker 1: strict about it, is it Jamar Chase always at one?

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Speaker 1: There is no deviation, and really this should be a

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's perfect. So this is where things get interesting

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Speaker 1: because Tara, you've got Jasin at three, so Puka's higher,

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Speaker 1: but you've got pook over Jamar Chase. So, Pookas, you're

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Speaker 1: number one wide receiver, So very awesome relevant conversation here.

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Speaker 1: So probably a lot of the positives sans a few

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Speaker 1: of those negatives of what Pat said, are going to

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Speaker 1: help you lead to Pooka being number one. But let's

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Speaker 1: hear why you've got him as your top white out.

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Speaker 4: I can fully understand all of the concerns around Pooka

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Speaker 4: if if we were talking best ball, like one hundred percent,

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Speaker 4: the season, right, But for redraft, I'm okay, what's going

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Speaker 4: what we saw from him last year, Because I went

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Speaker 4: into last year a little bit skeptical, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 4: lie I ranked him down a little bit just because

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Speaker 4: DeVante Adams coming in the player that he is in

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Speaker 4: anticipating that the usage would.

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Speaker 3: Be extremely high, and it was, and the result was.

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Speaker 4: This is that instead of getting a lesser version of

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Speaker 4: of Matt Stafford effectively using both of them. The hyper

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Speaker 4: concern there. I mean, the way that Matt Stafford was

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Speaker 4: but at least have happened, and we still got pucka

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Speaker 4: is that we've seen the worst of what it can

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Speaker 4: we still got the level of volume seventeen hundred yards

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Speaker 4: looking at. Yeah, all of this hinges on Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 4: What happens if Matt Stafford gets injured? We have to

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Speaker 4: figure out if ty Simpson can quickly send and be

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Speaker 4: the guy there. But all those receivers kind of had

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Speaker 4: volume to where Pooka is still going to be the

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Speaker 4: guy that is putting out those ungodly thirty plus fantasy

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Speaker 1: Pooka Nakua, Jamar Chase JSN definitely curries your comments below

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Speaker 1: what direction are you going? And I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: it's that often that we see there's discrepancies on who

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Speaker 1: a very interesting world here. Next guy up here is

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Speaker 1: because there's a big question around the quarterback play in

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Speaker 2: I am. Jefferson has averaged two point four eight yards

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Speaker 2: no problem with that. Like Jefferson's best games last season,

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy was. DeAndre Hopkins said one hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 3: To see it from Kyler Murray on the field first,

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Speaker 4: So I think that's ranking is very reasonable because if anything,

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Speaker 1: One more in this top one through twelve at wide

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Speaker 1: You definitely can jump in if you want to solely

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Speaker 1: at the proper time? And is there any other drama

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Speaker 2: Neighbors? Without question, I just think that let's not even

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Speaker 2: just pretend he's a model citizen. Like, what I'm curious

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe they find some other breakout from like

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Speaker 2: I still think he's going to be pretty heavily involved.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know if Forshi Rice is going

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Speaker 2: So whereas Neighbors, if he's healthy all season, like he's

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Speaker 1: Super interesting because they're a tier difference. I think that's

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Speaker 1: for you also to say clear cut leak Neighbors when

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Speaker 1: the consensus ranks has them broken up into tier by Tara,

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Speaker 1: what say you? Rashi Rice comes in at eight, Mylik

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Speaker 1: Neighbors at ten. There's a tier break in here? Is

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Speaker 1: there definitiveness on which player? Do you think it's super close?

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Speaker 1: Where you at on Rashi Rice versus Milik Neighbors.

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Speaker 4: You did find a hidden debate here you asked, wonder

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Speaker 4: who my wide receiver six is?

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Speaker 3: It's actually Rashi Rice on that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh okay, there we go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if he's on the field, like that's like if

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Speaker 4: we you know, all things fair good for now. If

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Speaker 4: he's on the field in August when I'm looking at him,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, there could be concerns that maybe they want

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Speaker 4: I actually do feel positive about the run game now

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Speaker 4: was just he ran a far more effective.

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Speaker 3: Chiefs backfield than Matt Aggie did.

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Speaker 4: But when it comes to Rashi Rice, I actually think

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Speaker 4: there might be maybe an upticking usage because we're thinking

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Speaker 4: about Patrick Mahomes coming off of this injury. You know,

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Speaker 4: how quickly is he going to be up to speed.

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Speaker 4: A massive part of his game last year was the

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Speaker 4: perhaps the injury makes him a little bit more short

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Speaker 4: obviously going to get volume, but aging how much volume

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Speaker 4: at this point, from what I saw from Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 4: impressive and not really egregious. Right, he averaged nearly ten

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Speaker 4: I feel very positive about Rashie Rice and if he's

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Speaker 4: he ended the season because of injury, but not something

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Speaker 4: I do think he has legitimate top five upside this season.

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Speaker 2: Terra sort of did a sneak attack there on my

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Speaker 1: I love it, Rashie Rice versus Molik Neighbors Again. Let's

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go take a look at the big

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Speaker 1: board for wide receiver twos thirteen through twenty four is

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Speaker 1: really what it is. We start with Chris Olave at thirteen,

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Speaker 1: followed by T. Higgins, Ttero, McMillan, DeVonta Smith. Then we

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Speaker 1: go to a tier four seventeen through twenty four, Garrett Wilson,

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Speaker 1: DeVante Adams, Zay Flowers, Luther Burden, Lad McConkie, Jalen Wattle,

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Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, and a Mecca Agbuka. So we'll ask a

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Speaker 1: few questions in this range, and maybe one of the

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Speaker 1: first parts here is to focus on that like ending

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Speaker 1: of the wide receiver or tier threes of the wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: And look at Tetero McMillan. Tedo McMillan at fifteen, is

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Speaker 1: he too low? According to Pat fitz Morris, that answer

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Speaker 1: looks like yes, because you've got him as a wide

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Speaker 1: receiver one in fantasy at wide receiver twelve. Pat, So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the case from Tedo McMillan and maybe

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Speaker 1: why he's ranking low right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why he ranked low?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: I guess it's kind of in line with where he

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Speaker 2: finished last year. He was wide receiver sixteen in PPR

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Speaker 2: Fantasy scoring as a rookie, went just over one thousand yards.

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Speaker 2: I think it was ony fourteen, tied for thirteenth in

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Speaker 2: receiving yards among wide receivers. But just generally, Tedroll McMillan

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Speaker 2: was every bit as good as advertised as a rookie,

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Speaker 2: and there was some speculation in the run up to

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Speaker 2: the draft that the Panthers might take a receiver or

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Speaker 2: a tight end in the first round. A lot of

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Speaker 2: mock drafts had them taking Kenyon Sadik, a lot had

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Speaker 2: them taking Omar Cooper junior. Panthers didn't draft any tight ends.

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Speaker 2: They completely skipped the tight end rama in the draft

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Speaker 2: this year, and the only receiver they drafted was Chris

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Speaker 2: Brazl in the third round. Brazl profiles is more of

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Speaker 2: like a vertical field stretcher than someone who's going to

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Speaker 2: pose any serious threat to McMillan's target load. I don't

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Speaker 2: love Bryce Young, but he's competent enough to support a

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Speaker 2: single high end pass catcher for fantasy, and he kind

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Speaker 2: of did that last year with Ttero McMillan, who had

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Speaker 2: a twenty five point four percent target share as a rookie,

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Speaker 2: like he was the guy right from the get go.

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Speaker 2: Panthers don't relive a great running game Chewba Hubbard plus

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Speaker 2: whatever they can get from Jonathan Brooks coming off the

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Speaker 2: knee problems, McMillan once again is going to be the

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Speaker 2: featured attraction in the Carolina offense this year. So I

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Speaker 2: think back end wide receiver one, high end wide receiver two,

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Speaker 2: Like I think that's the spot form. I think there's

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Speaker 2: a little bit of value here with the ECR of

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Speaker 2: wide receiver fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Brooks am on hundred percent healthy. Sure we got

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Speaker 1: to Tara. Is there any more hesitation with you is

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Speaker 1: maybe Bryce Young something that's holding you back on You're

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Speaker 1: not like crazy low or anything like that. You're just

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Speaker 1: one spot below consensus on Tetero McMillan, you have him

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Speaker 1: outside the top fifteen. Do you think there's a bigger

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Speaker 1: case against him maybe due to the offense in Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young or is it just like, yep, this is how

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Speaker 1: he performed last year. You don't see like a ton

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Speaker 1: of upside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Fortunately it's Bryce Young, which I hate because I love

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Speaker 4: Bryceshung like I love Bryce Young. But the problem is

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Speaker 4: is that we're talking about a quarterback who had literally

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Speaker 4: four games with just over two hundred yards, and two

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Speaker 4: of those games were massive outlier games in particular. So

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Speaker 4: my fear here is that in theory, we've seen the progress,

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Speaker 4: and I believe in I believe in Bryce Young, but

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Speaker 4: if we can't get Dave Kanalis pushing more volume and

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Speaker 4: allowing Bryce Young to push more volume because he has

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Speaker 4: been successful when he does it, so all things fair,

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Speaker 4: if we get more volume from Bryce Young, I would

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Speaker 4: feel super good about this and I would want to

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Speaker 4: be more out optimistic like Pat. But my fear is

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Speaker 4: is that they continue to run more of this balanced

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Speaker 4: conservative attack.

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Speaker 3: They're pushing the defense forward.

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Speaker 4: Clearly they want to play these games a little lower

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Speaker 4: and closer here, and they don't want it to get

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Speaker 4: into a shootout. They can if it gets into a shootout,

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Speaker 4: but they don't want to. So if we have these

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Speaker 4: games that are hovering around or even below two hundred,

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Speaker 4: the amount of games that were in one hundred passing

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Speaker 4: yard range for him was just really rather disturbing. And

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Speaker 4: that's how you end up with those games where we

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Speaker 4: have Ttroo mcmellanie scores a touchdown because he's great, and

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Speaker 4: that's awesome, but it was also for like forty yards,

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Speaker 4: and so we've got this catch twenty two where he's

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Speaker 4: clearly wide receiver one. He's getting the touchdown opportunities, and

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Speaker 4: I expect more touchdown opportunities because of this offense clearly

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Speaker 4: going to progress forward a little bit more. But then

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Speaker 4: when you consider the fact that, hey, if they do

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Speaker 4: add a little bit more volume, how where is the

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Speaker 4: volume going to go. Are they going to try and

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Speaker 4: ease it in a little bit and do stuff that's

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Speaker 4: shorter area more over the middle to a guy like

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Speaker 4: Jalen Cooker, who I love, strong finish to the end

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Speaker 4: of the season, the fantastic playoff game. If we get

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Speaker 4: more volume and they're pushing more looks at the slot,

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Speaker 4: that's where it would go. So still the wide receiver one.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that Chris Braswill was a big threat either.

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Speaker 4: I just worry that a lot of our performances are

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Speaker 4: going to be He had an okay game, he got

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Speaker 4: us to double digit Fantasy points, but he can't get

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Speaker 4: us to that. Not definitely, not to that Pook and

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Speaker 4: the Coup range, but even you know, not to a T.

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Speaker 3: Higgins point unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Maybe speaking of wide receiver ones, this is a really

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Speaker 1: fun one because this is if you were, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: locked in the last year and then you're locking into

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Speaker 1: this new year and you're looking for where the big

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Speaker 1: major differences. Is eye opening to see the consensus rank

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Speaker 1: on Luther Burton, who they get rid of DJ Moore,

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Speaker 1: favorite target of Caleb Williams, Ram Dunday take it takes

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Speaker 1: a seat back obviously outside the tight end play like,

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Speaker 1: there's so much to be excited about with Luther Burton,

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Speaker 1: but is there an over optimism potentially with his outlook

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Speaker 1: for the season where he comes in at wide receiver

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Speaker 1: twenty and one of the reasons I asked this is

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Speaker 1: you guys are both I don't kind of quite a

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Speaker 1: bit lower on him, so much so that Pat you've

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Speaker 1: pushed him outside of a top wide receiver too. Top

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Speaker 1: twenty four wide receiver you've got him at twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Terry you've got him at twenty three. So you guys

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Speaker 1: are both significantly from a spot perspective, lower on him.

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Speaker 1: So Pat not even a wide receiver too. Here is

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Speaker 1: there too much optimism in Luthor Burden's potential production this

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Speaker 1: year with the targets that are around. Obviously the tight

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Speaker 1: end play was very significant. They did get rid of

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Speaker 1: DJ Moore, though, but it seems like you've got some

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Speaker 1: hesitation to anoint Luthor Burden this year in Fantasy.

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Speaker 2: I hate being below consensus on this guy Welsh like

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Speaker 2: I'm above consensus on him in Dynasty. But Burden is awesome.

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Speaker 2: He's just so quick off the line of scrimmage that

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Speaker 2: he is an absolute nightmare for defenders to deal with.

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Speaker 2: I'm just disappointed that his ECR is much higher than

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Speaker 2: I expected it to be, which means I'm probably not

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Speaker 2: going to get him in that many drafts. It's great

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Speaker 2: that DJ Moore is gone and the Bear's target tree

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Speaker 2: has been pruned a bit. It's a tidy little Bonzeye

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Speaker 2: tree now. And you know the targets are mostly going

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Speaker 2: to be chopped up with Luther Burdon, Roman Dunesay and

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Speaker 2: Colston Loveland and Burden and Loveland were just dynamite down

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Speaker 2: the stretch last season. Probably shouldn't sleep out of Dunsay, though,

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Speaker 2: who got off to a really fast start last year

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Speaker 2: then had a stress fracture in his foot that slowed

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Speaker 2: him down and eventually forced him to miss about a

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Speaker 2: month late in the season.

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Speaker 3: I just I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know how the targets are going to work out there.

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Speaker 2: The Bears like to run the ball to it. It's

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Speaker 2: just like I feel like wide receiver twenty is just

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Speaker 2: slightly ambitious for Burden. I'd feel much more comfortable with

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Speaker 2: him like around where Tara and I have him ranked.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Pat, how the internet works. As you officially hate

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Speaker 1: Luther burn anything about it, you have met twenty six.

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Speaker 1: So it's just as much as you want to make

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Speaker 1: the case you hate him, Terry, you hate him a

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Speaker 1: little bit less, but there's still a little bit of

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Speaker 1: hate in there joking aside, top you have been twenty

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Speaker 1: threes inside that range where you at on burden as

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Speaker 1: far as like a fantasy target for this year, and

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Speaker 1: should there be more hesitation on like if Roma Dunes

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Speaker 1: say healthy now kind of takes that step back up

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Speaker 1: and all the weapons and the offense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Pat nailed all the points.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm even being I was surprised at

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Speaker 4: ECR as well because I felt I was being a

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Speaker 4: little generous with wide receiver twenty three ranking for him,

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Speaker 4: especially considering we don't know for sure that he will

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Speaker 4: in fact be the wide receiver one, let alone the

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Speaker 4: first look in this offense. For all we know, there's

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Speaker 4: a very good chance it could be Colston Lovelin, and

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Speaker 4: we are drafting him in that way as well. When

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Speaker 4: we're looking at it. I think Pat had on one

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Speaker 4: thing that's very critical. I think we're going to esimate

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Speaker 4: how much the Bears run the ball. They were very aggressive.

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Speaker 4: It didn't feel like it from a fantasy perspective because

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Speaker 4: they split it up.

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Speaker 3: In a way that was, you know, kind of annoying

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Speaker 3: for us.

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Speaker 4: So you're looking at the DeAndre Swift and Kalamanungai, and

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Speaker 4: you're not seeing massive upside for either one of them,

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Speaker 4: but combined they ran a significant amount.

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Speaker 3: Bears were top five in rush.

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Speaker 4: Attempts last season, right, and obviously some of that was

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Speaker 4: Kayleb Williams, but they're a very evenly split offense there.

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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams doesn't hyper target anyone. He spreads the ball

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Speaker 4: around very well. At the end of the day, I

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Speaker 4: feel very confident that we're clearly going to have a

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Speaker 4: nice progression forward for Luther Burden. I feel comfortable that

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Speaker 4: he is going to be able to achieve low end

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Speaker 4: wide receiver two numbers. I don't feel comfortable that it's

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Speaker 4: going to be significantly higher than that, especially if maybe

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Speaker 4: the exit of Dj Moore allows for maybe more diverse

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Speaker 4: usage of Roma Doonsa and we're not just sitting the

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Speaker 4: downfield and throwing bombs. So yeah, I feel like where

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Speaker 4: we're drafting him at is probably closer to his ceiling

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Speaker 4: and there's not a risk of him finishing a lot lower,

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Speaker 4: but risk of him benefit of him finishing significantly higher

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Speaker 4: might be overestimating that we.

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Speaker 1: Could probably have like a two hour show just simply

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Speaker 1: on Like I think this range of wide receiver. The

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Speaker 1: back end of this, we're finishing up this wide receiver

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Speaker 1: two range. There are just names of guys that we

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Speaker 1: have such bigger, high expectations for. Lad McConkey is in there.

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Speaker 1: You see a Meccagbuca comes in at twenty four, but

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Speaker 1: just thrown in there at twenty three. This really interesting

649
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: one is Terry McLaurin. And Terry McLaurin. You can feel

650
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: the still upside play there. Obviously you know he's built

651
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: on big plays, but you know a full healthy season

652
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: with Jaden sitting in there is Terry McLaurin of value.

653
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: At this point, you guys both have him ranked higher.

654
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: So I think the answer is like pseudo, yes, but

655
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: pat just quickly on Terry McLaurin, what kind of a

656
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: value is him based on his early consensus rank versus

657
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: where you've got him.

658
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: I think there's value here. I mean McLaurin missed seven

659
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: games last season, Jayden Daniels smiss ten games, but with

660
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: better health, I think they can run it back to

661
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: where they were in twenty twenty four when McLaurin d

662
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: eighty two catches for twenty ninety six yards and thirteen

663
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: touchdowns a career high. McLaurin was wide receiver seven and

664
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Speaker 2: PPR scoring two seasons ago. The target competition is so

665
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: Lightwelsh like third round rookie Antonio Williams might be the

666
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: Commander's number two receiver. They might sign Brandon Ayuk, but

667
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what Ayuk is anymore at this point, honestly.

668
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just I don't know if he's going

669
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: to come in and put any sort of significant dent

670
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: in mclaurin's target load. So like maybe if they sign Ayuk,

671
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: I dropped McLaurin like two spots, then then I would

672
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: imagine e CR drops a bit as well. So I'm

673
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Speaker 2: probably going to be, you know, zeroing in on McLaurin

674
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: in that area of drafts, what like fourth round.

675
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Speaker 1: Tara, what do you think you got the same you guys.

676
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: I think this is like the consentuous ranks you guys

677
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: both have on him. So, Terry McLaurin right now looks

678
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 1: like a major target based on where the market is

679
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: taking him and where you were valuing him.

680
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right there with Pat. I don't think there's

681
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: a lot of risk. He's a clear wide receiver one

682
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: clearly I love Antonio Williams, but at the end of

683
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: the day, wide receiver two at best makes a lot

684
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: of sense there. I don't see him taking over and

685
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 4: earning more of the target share there. I think what

686
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: hurt McLaurin, And it always hurts guys when you push

687
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: that contract right up until the season. It just often

688
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: doesn't work out. So combine that with injuries to Jadan Daniels,

689
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 4: it was just a recipe for a disaster. So feels

690
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 4: like a good bounce back spot for him. If we

691
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: get a healthy Jade and Daniels, him is number one target. Yeah,

692
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 4: we can see the original version that we had in

693
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: rookie season four Jayde Daniels that made us feel like, finally,

694
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Speaker 4: Terry McLaurin is the guy that he was always meant

695
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: to be.

696
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: All right wide receiver threes. As we finish up our

697
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver rank conversation here looking at the big board,

698
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Speaker 1: we are going to jump to twenty five, which is

699
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, twenty six, Mike Evans, and then we finish

700
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: it off with a tier five of wide receivers which

701
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: extends through this entire range. Christian Watson at twenty seven

702
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: followed by DJ Moore, Ramadunze, Carnel Tate, Marvin Harrison, Alec Pierce,

703
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton, Jordan Tyson, DK Metcalf, Chris Godwin. So we've

704
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: got a couple of rookies in here, which make this

705
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: a really interesting discussion. But I've got to get a

706
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: forty nine er question in here if I'm gonna wear

707
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: the hat, friends and Mike Evans. Mike Evans comes over

708
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: to the San Francisco forty nine ers. What he is

709
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: in this offense outside of what we've known of Mike

710
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: Evans is still kind of an interesting question. Potential miss

711
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: time on George Kittle, there's a ton of touchdown equity

712
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: he comes in at twenty six. You guys are on

713
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: opposite ends a little bit on this spectrum for Mike Evans. So, FITZI,

714
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: what's your take on what Mike Evans is and can

715
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: be in the San Francisco forty nine er offense this season.

716
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm whistling past the graveyard with the receiver who's

717
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: going into his age thirty three season and has missed

718
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: twelve games due to injury over the last two years,

719
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: But man Evans is going to be the number one

720
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: receiver in a Kyle Shanahan offense with a pretty good

721
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: trigger man in Rock Party, and George Kittle is probably

722
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: gonna miss some time at the start of the season

723
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: after the achilles tear in the playoffs last year. So

724
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Speaker 2: like now that Evans is no longer like the round

725
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Speaker 2: two round three turn guy he used to be a

726
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: few years ago. If he's considered a wide receiver three now,

727
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: count me in.

728
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of in the same space that I'm at.

729
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot of touchdown equity here. Injuries have to

730
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: be a concern, but there's so many weapons tera. But

731
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Speaker 1: you're on the opposite and you've got him at twenty

732
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Speaker 1: nine age probably creeping up a little bit more. Miss

733
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: time is on the table. Weird you know circuit banks

734
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: near the training facility. I don't know where you are

735
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: at twenty nine wide receiver, Mike Evans.

736
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that I'm very torn on this one because

737
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: I loved the signing.

738
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Speaker 3: I thought this was the perfect move for them. He

739
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: fits well.

740
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 4: It will definitely help them get through the George Kittle

741
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 4: portion that he's injured. My question here in terms of

742
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 4: my rankings, as I'm going through guys. It's like, do

743
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 4: I want a guy that can get me wide receiver

744
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 4: two numbers for a full season or do I want

745
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: wide receiver one Mike Evans numbers for like six or

746
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 4: eight games.

747
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 3: That's the debate there for me is how do I

748
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: want to.

749
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: Take that risk on my roster because at that age

750
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: the hamstring start calling and it's a multi year issue.

751
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: It is what it is.

752
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: Perhaps he can make it through the whole season and

753
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 4: he would be insane value at that position, but it's

754
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 4: just an injury and age risk situation for me.

755
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: It is interesting, though, if you've got the opportunity to

756
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: get him, he feels a lot better as a wide

757
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: receiver three than he does a wide receiver two in

758
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: half PPR. If you're focusing, you know, a little bit

759
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: more like on touchdown equity than receptions. There's maybe a

760
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: tiny bit more upside, but there's just inherent risk. There's

761
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: a lot of inherent risks that's flowing out there. You

762
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: do wish there was more of a discount. I think

763
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: he becomes an of course I'm weighing in on the

764
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: forty nine D here, but he becomes like much more

765
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: of a draft target if he's closer to TERA's draft

766
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: range than it is as like a wide receiver two

767
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: the final guy. And I know we could talk about

768
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: tons of guys here. Connel Tait is staring me in

769
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: the face. You know, also Tyson. You know two rookies

770
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: that are in this like wide receiver three range. But

771
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: there's kind of like a I think maybe it might

772
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: be the most boring name on this list, but it

773
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: might be the sneakiest bit of conversation, and it's Alec

774
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: Pierce with Michael Pittman Gon. Alec Pierce has put in

775
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: a really interesting situation where he was such an incredible

776
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: big deep ball threat, he has a chance to be

777
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: vaulted up in the target range of what type of

778
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: wide receiver he is. It actually has like a little

779
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: bit of a reminder of like the Terry McLaurin stuff

780
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: in here, but it's just boring. Alec Pierce comes in

781
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: at wide receiver thirty two. But is there upside and

782
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: spoiler alert based on the ranks? You guys both are saying, yes, FITZI,

783
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: you've got him at wide receiver twenty eight. Is it

784
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: as optimistic as I'm selling or is he just a

785
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: little bit under ranked right now?

786
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: Oh, how can he be boring with the guy who

787
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: went out and got the bag in free agency? Welsh? Yeah, no,

788
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty exciting. At first. I wasn't excited

789
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: when he resigned with the Colts. But when the Colts

790
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: turn around and just basically gave away Michael Pittman to

791
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: the Steelers, yeah, like nothing a ham sandwich. And now Pierce,

792
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: who in sixty four career games has had five or

793
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: more receptions in old six of them, averaged five point

794
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: six targets a game last year and hadn't averaged up

795
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: the target eighteen point nine yards. He was the designated lidlifter.

796
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: I think the role has to change based on the

797
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: contract they gave him. I think he's gonna run a

798
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: more complete routree. I think he's gonna see a lot

799
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: more targets and a lot more usage. And we're still

800
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: gonna get big players from a guy who's six foot

801
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: three and runs like a gazelle. But now I think

802
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: there's gonna be like a bit more of a floor

803
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 2: with him, where you know a guy who's getting five

804
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: six seven catches most weeks, maybe not all weeks, but

805
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: it won't be as sporadic as it has been in

806
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: years past with Alec Pierce.

807
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when I say boring too, I think

808
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: it's just like the name recognition when and when you

809
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: look across the board, you're like Alec Pierce. But you

810
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: forget week ten on Alec Peerce was the thirteenth wide

811
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: receiver scoring wise and half PPR last year. And you know,

812
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren is as much as he could. You could

813
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: have the argument he could be like the number one

814
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver if you want to do that. He can

815
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: play a lot of that short safety down stuff. And

816
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: you know what Alec Pearce can do. You know, whether

817
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: it's stretching the field or him becoming a more complete

818
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver, it's pretty fascinating. And Tara, you have to

819
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: be in agreement here because you're even higher than Fitzy.

820
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: So you get to own Alec Pierce here. You got

821
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: him at wide receiver twenty six. What's your level of

822
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: like value Alec Pierce looks like versus the market right now.

823
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did not anticipate being the high man on

824
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 4: Alec Pearce, But honestly, I don't know if his ADP

825
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: is going to creep up. I think you're correct that

826
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: it's one name that people will continue to overlook. And

827
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: his path was saying, you know, there is the possibility

828
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 4: of us getting some more varied usage from him.

829
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can definitely, and I think we will.

830
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 4: I feel very good about Tyler Warren getting a boost

831
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 4: in targets as well in a boost in touchdown opportunities,

832
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 4: but some increase varied usage. For Pierce is the wide

833
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: receiver one and the damage that he does through the

834
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 4: air downfield is absolutely insane. So if you're looking at

835
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: this list of guys ranked ahead of him and saying,

836
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: like DJ Moore going into a very and to a

837
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 4: bills offense that nobody has, you know, over the past

838
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 4: several years under Joe Brady been able to truly ascend

839
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: to consistent wide receiver one numbers just because of the

840
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: way that they don't push aggressive pass volume and spread.

841
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 3: The ball around.

842
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 4: So you look at other you know, Marvin Harrison Junior

843
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 4: is another one that's ranked ahead of him, not even

844
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: as proven, oddly enough as Alec Pierce. So I feel

845
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: like he's getting a little bit of disrespect here for

846
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 4: the level of upside that he has, even if he

847
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: were just to remain in the exact role and there

848
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 4: was not that varied usage. I mean, his upside was

849
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 4: just so incredible. The ceiling is great. The only fear

850
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 4: that I would have is just making sure that Daniel

851
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: Jones is okay coming off the injury, because perhaps, you know, Achilles,

852
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: maybe it makes some struggle a little bit to get

853
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: the ball downfield, and then obviously that would be a

854
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: big issue. But assuming that he's good to do and

855
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 4: the deep balls are not an issue, and we'll know

856
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 4: that ahead of time as we're looking in training camp.

857
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 3: I feel very good about Al.

858
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: Pierce fantasypros dot Com slash rankings. You guys can go

859
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Speaker 1: and check out the list and you can drop your

860
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Speaker 1: your favorite draft targets out of the top thirty six

861
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Speaker 1: and some that you're avoiding in the comments below. We

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