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Speaker 1: M hm h. Happy Friday everyone, Welcome to the State

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Speaker 1: of the Lakers podcast. We are going to cover Game

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Speaker 1: two of the NBA Finals today as well as we're

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Speaker 1: going to dive into that weird podcast interview that Dan

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Speaker 1: Lebotar did with the gentleman who wrote that book on

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets blinking on his name right now that

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Speaker 1: I think his I think his first name is Matt

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Speaker 1: or something like that. Roger Rog, How you doing today, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. That was a super fun game too.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of predictable as well. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's fun series and it's cool to kind of dive back,

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Speaker 1: dive back into the basketball of it. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've had a really good read on this series. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, for the record, we're all anybody who makes

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Speaker 1: predictions is wrong a lot of the time, and I

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Speaker 1: personally am wrong a lot of the time. This, however,

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Speaker 1: so far through two games, has been a series that

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Speaker 1: I've really had a good read on between the two

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Speaker 1: teams and just the way the matchups work. Um, I've

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Speaker 1: made a good amount of money on this series so far.

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Speaker 1: I bet Phoenix in Game one and then I bet

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Speaker 1: the Bucks first quarter yesterday and then I bet I

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Speaker 1: rolled all of that into the Suns to win the game,

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Speaker 1: and uh and and did well on that. I just

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Speaker 1: have a good feel for this Phoenix Suns team, obviously

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Speaker 1: just as a Lakers fan, having watched them so closely

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Speaker 1: in that previous series. And I just really believe in

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Speaker 1: and the way that it works. And I think they're

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Speaker 1: one of the best jump shooting teams that I've seen

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Speaker 1: am so incredibly impressed by them. Um, I think Milwaukee's

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Speaker 1: game they're gonna win. Uh, just zooming out after two games?

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Speaker 1: Has this gone kind of the way you thought it

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Speaker 1: would go? And did you expect more from Milwaukee? Where

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Speaker 1: are you at kind of macro at this point? YEA

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Speaker 1: thought this is kind of how it would go. I

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you would agree. It felt like

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Speaker 1: in that first quarter they were super aggressive. Um, they

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Speaker 1: had like a game plan like we're gonna stay off

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Speaker 1: then those dudes hit four threes and like the first

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Speaker 1: five minutes and all that kind of went to hell.

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Speaker 1: They went right back to let letting Brook Lopez switch

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Speaker 1: series still kind of boils down to like Drew Holiday

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Speaker 1: especially as a shotmaker. Again, he just could not make

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Speaker 1: and I guess like going home should help them, right,

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Speaker 1: But guys like and I think Bucks fans have talked

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Speaker 1: guy cutting and all of a sudden again I talked

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Speaker 1: your first two home games, right, but yeah, it just

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Speaker 1: Game three as well, um, but just feel like the

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Speaker 1: they want. Man, Chris Pond Devin Book are a way

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Speaker 1: too comfortable for me. Chris Paul shot ten for twenty.

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Speaker 1: You know it's funny, I had, uh. You know, when

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Speaker 1: And you know I And it was interesting because you

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Speaker 1: much what happened again last night. They the Bucks over

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Speaker 1: on the backside, i'd i'd i'd a buddy of mind

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Speaker 1: but a lot of Arizonans are getting into the Suns

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Speaker 1: like that that can attack close outs, know how to

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Speaker 1: you think the Bucks can do kind of in in

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Speaker 1: game three and four? Where where's your adjusting me here?

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Speaker 1: But here's the problem. So if you're the Bucks, you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And game one, by the way they tricked off with

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Speaker 1: But and they made the exact same mistake last series

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Speaker 1: your your level of advantage, right. The people who picked

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Speaker 1: the Bucks would saying they have the clear best player,

429
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Speaker 1: not just the best player, the clear best player in

430
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Speaker 1: the series. They have the two time at m VP,

431
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Speaker 1: defense player, or whatever accolades you want to put next

432
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,440
Speaker 1: to honest name. He has a full list of them

433
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 1: you can put there, Like, he should be the best,

434
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 1: he should be the best player in the series, and

435
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,880
Speaker 1: I think he played like it last night. Chris Paul

436
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 1: is what thirty five. I mean, he's playing ridiculously well,

437
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: but still honest. I mean, Chris, Milton and Drew are

438
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: asked to be like Dwayne Aid or Kobe. They're just

439
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,959
Speaker 1: asked to be themselves in a little bit more of

440
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 1: like a consistent way. I think Chris Milton could easily

441
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 1: be a little bit more efficient. He's just not playing well,

442
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 1: and I feel like that just gets him off the hook.

443
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 1: I saw that tweet as well from Jackson. Um. I

444
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 1: think he also followed it up by saying like the

445
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 1: Lakers and other people also didn't have enough help or

446
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 1: something like that, Like and then Bucks fans, I'm I

447
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 1: agree with them. They're not asking Milton and Drew to

448
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 1: be these crazy shot creators and I as seking them

449
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: to be Devin Booker. They're asking them to hit open

450
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Speaker 1: shots and asking them to do what their have to be.

451
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 1: They have to be better themselves, and I think they

452
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Speaker 1: I think that lets them off the hook too easily. Um.

453
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Speaker 1: We we we always talk about Bud and you know

454
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 1: both of us have our issues with Bud and all that.

455
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 1: But again, like this is on the players as well.

456
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 1: I think Milton has to be better. We talked about

457
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Speaker 1: it too. Now every shot is the same. I don't

458
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Speaker 1: know how much mckel bridges back pressure impact Chris Milton.

459
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Speaker 1: I don't know, like what what's going through him, but

460
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Speaker 1: he has to be better. I feel like the no

461
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 1: help thing is is too easy to just throw out there.

462
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: It's too easy of a calm. This is a good

463
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Speaker 1: Bucks team. I know they're missing to Devencendo, but this

464
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 1: is a team that's won a bunch of games the

465
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Speaker 1: last three years. These these dudes are playoff experience more

466
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Speaker 1: than the other side. This is Devin Booker's first playoffs campaigns,

467
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 1: first playoffs. Deondre etan like this. This is no excuse

468
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Speaker 1: to me to to say like they don't have enough

469
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Speaker 1: now because you're here. This is a Sun's team that

470
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Speaker 1: was nowhere expected to be here, Like you should have

471
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Speaker 1: the talents at least not yet destroyed in the series. Uh,

472
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Speaker 1: which is what it's looking like it's going to be. Yeah,

473
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Speaker 1: if your honest plays that well, it needs to be

474
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Speaker 1: a closer game. Do you do you agree with my

475
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Speaker 1: assessment that that Middleton doesn't even attempt to get to

476
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Speaker 1: the basket. Oh yeah, Like I think he really kind

477
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Speaker 1: of him and Drew I think you talked about as well,

478
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: they try to get going with their jump shot. I

479
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Speaker 1: thought Drew was super aggressive early and he took like

480
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Speaker 1: four jumpers right away. Um Middleton as well. Um they

481
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they think they're not getting the call,

482
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, he just does not get to the rim,

483
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: does not get to the line. That's just the kind

484
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Speaker 1: of player he is. He gets going through his like

485
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Speaker 1: mid range jumper and then kind of works out there.

486
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Speaker 1: So I agree with you that they have to kind

487
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Speaker 1: of attack more. But I mean it's kind of packed

488
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Speaker 1: in the paint too. They're not really guarding p J.

489
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Speaker 1: Tucker Eightan's waiting there with uh with the honest, waiting

490
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Speaker 1: for your honest at the rim. It's just I don't

491
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Speaker 1: know where these like paint space comes from other than

492
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Speaker 1: going with the honest at the five. I guess, um

493
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Speaker 1: to kind of get him going. Maybe they that's what

494
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Speaker 1: they do. Maybe they go honest at the five to

495
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Speaker 1: get Milton going, get him a little bit more space. Um,

496
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Speaker 1: it just feel it's like it just feels like the

497
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Speaker 1: paint is kind of packed. I think the Bucks were

498
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Speaker 1: like up four for fifteen or something from three uh

499
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Speaker 1: for a while in that game last night. Um, they

500
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Speaker 1: couldn't hit their shots either. So I agree with you

501
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Speaker 1: him and true they don't They don't get to the

502
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Speaker 1: rim as much as I think they can. They're they're

503
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Speaker 1: talented enough. These are these aren't All star, multi time

504
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Speaker 1: All Star players. I'm not sure it's Drew it's multi

505
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 1: All Star, but Chris Milton is an All Star as well.

506
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Speaker 1: I just don't like the the no help thing that's

507
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Speaker 1: happening already, um with the bucks down to oh yeah,

508
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Speaker 1: you know. It's interesting because, uh, this is something that

509
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Speaker 1: Zach Low talked about on his podcast after Game one,

510
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Speaker 1: and basically the idea that when you be honest, is

511
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Speaker 1: a nonshooter. So if you play Janice alongside another player

512
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: in the lineup that you don't necessarily have to guard closely,

513
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: in this case a p J. Tucker, you put yourself

514
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Speaker 1: in the position where the entire spacing is murdered. It's

515
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Speaker 1: something that the Lakers dealt with in their first round

516
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: series as well. And and so I think the best

517
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Speaker 1: option there is to put Janice at the five and

518
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Speaker 1: try to make sure that you're you have enough shooting around.

519
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: Because the other thing, too is you notice p J.

520
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: Tucker he crashes the boards when they're when the team

521
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: isn't guarding him. Well, I think he got maybe a couple.

522
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Speaker 1: I have to look at the box score, but he

523
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't getting getting a ton of offensive rebounds, and then

524
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Speaker 1: there was one that he got and then he just

525
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Speaker 1: threw up a crazy hook shot and missed the heck

526
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Speaker 1: out of it. Like PJ is just not really helping

527
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Speaker 1: you right now, so you almost have to opt for

528
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: more shooting. You know. The thing with Middleton, It's fascinating

529
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Speaker 1: to me because, like you know, you you look at tendencies,

530
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Speaker 1: like I remember when I went to when I was

531
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Speaker 1: playing at Arizona Christian University. Yeah, I was a more

532
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Speaker 1: more of an offensive weapon the previous year in June

533
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Speaker 1: your college. When I went to Arizona Christian, I was

534
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Speaker 1: playing with two All American guards, so they kind of

535
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: turned me into like a Trevor Reads a type of

536
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: due to guard the other team's best player, and we

537
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: use synergy, which is, you know, basically every single clip

538
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 1: of every single game that these guys would play. So

539
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: they would just send me the synergy clips from the

540
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: guy that I had to guard, and I would watch

541
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Speaker 1: his counters and like, what, okay, does he he drives right?

542
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: This percentage of the time he drives left, this percentage

543
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: of the time when he drives right, you know x

544
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: percentage of his possessions and at the rim x percentage

545
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: of those possessions and in a turnaround this way, it

546
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Speaker 1: feels to me that when Chris Middleton makes a dribble

547
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Speaker 1: move to the right and he gets separation, that his

548
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: initial instinct is to immediately turn his back and turn

549
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Speaker 1: it into a post up. Like even when he gets

550
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: separation on a drive, he's using it to get post position,

551
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: not to get all the way to the rim. Whereas

552
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Speaker 1: you watch like Paul George, Paul George does a really

553
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: good job if as soon as he gets that separation

554
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 1: he almost goes into a gather and does like that

555
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: James Hard thing where he sticks his arms out and

556
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: tries to get all the way to the rim and

557
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: draw foul or finish at the rim. Well, literally, Chris

558
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: Middleton is missing that entire side of his game, and

559
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: as a result, he's in a position where Phoenix is

560
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: sitting up on the jump shot and they're fine with

561
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: him getting to the post and go into these turnaround

562
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: jumpers because of how big Milwaukee's wings are. These he's

563
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: just not getting fantastic looks and it's it's so it's

564
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for him to get going the way

565
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: he did against Atlanta, you know, when when he could

566
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Speaker 1: get better matchups, and so that that's one of uh,

567
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the advantages they have to

568
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: figure out how to gain, is how to get Chris

569
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Speaker 1: Middleton in a situation where he's getting higher quality shots.

570
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: I I don't know how much you can continue to

571
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: run through Drew Holiday. He just seems like he seems

572
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: like he's underqualified for what they're asking him to do

573
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: at this point. Middleton, I think is the one they've

574
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: got to figure out. Yeah, And I think Middleton's bag

575
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: is a little deeper than he decides to go into.

576
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: Like he has that floater that he gets to and

577
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a high percent of shots for

578
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: him when he comes off the screen, it's a little

579
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: floater in the lane, like he can go to that. Um.

580
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: He's just a more like developed score than should be

581
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: relying on just his jump shot to get going, in

582
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: my opinion, and they need him to be the number

583
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: two score. There's just not enough scoring, um, not enough

584
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Speaker 1: shot creation, and Withdrew Holiday struggling as he is, Drew

585
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: Holliday is gonna play better in my opinion, Like he's

586
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: not gonna play this bad. You know, I think Chris,

587
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: Milton and Drew were like four tonight, um at half

588
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, he just can't. You just

589
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: can't survive with with that kind of scoring. So but

590
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: I think you're right with Milton. He can get going

591
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Again, I think like it's just

592
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: too it's just giving them off the hook saying the

593
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: talent with the talent disparage e. Um, he can get

594
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: to the line, he can get floaters. Um, he's pretty

595
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 1: well sized, not like he's a small dude. Um, So

596
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: he can get his shot off anytime. It just feels

597
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: like sometimes it's rushed. Um, and he loses confidence in it. Um.

598
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: He's a guy that like gets going in games. He

599
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: takes a while. I think you were talking about it.

600
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: He kind of takes a while to get going. Um.

601
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: So we'll see if he gets going in Milwaukee. But uh,

602
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: but they're gonna need a Uh. I don't see the

603
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: bus going down. Oh three though, do you like? I

604
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: think I think Game three, Yeah, they'll definitely won Game

605
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: three and try to try to prolong the series. But

606
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: those guys have to be better. They can't be outplayed

607
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: by like Campaign and all those dudes, like they just

608
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: cant they that they have to be better, And I

609
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: think it's okay to like recognize that as well. Milwaukee

610
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: is a four point favorite in game three. Can you

611
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: believe that? Yeah? That feels like too much to me.

612
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: I expected it to be around to pick them, which

613
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: is wild because to give you to give you an

614
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: idea of Phoenix was a four and a half point

615
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: favorite in game two, So they're basically saying yeah, So

616
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: they're basically saying that that that Milwaukee at home is

617
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: every bit as good as Phoenix is at home in

618
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: this series, which is pretty crazy. Um. One last thing

619
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: on Phoenix before we Um, A'm still there? Yeah you do? Okay? Cool? Uh?

620
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: One last thing on Phoenix before we before we move on.

621
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Speaker 1: I want to pay Chris Paul a compliment because, Uh,

622
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: this kind of reminds me of a lebron last year

623
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: in the sense that you can tell Chris Paul smells blood.

624
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: You know, when you're there's this like scar tissue that

625
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: builds up from losing, uh, and it exists at every level,

626
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: like even even within you know, just average Joe's playing

627
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: at your l a fitness. When you get sick and

628
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: tired of losing, a scar tissue builds up. And that's

629
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: why in your average men's league at your city, the

630
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: older team, as long as they have enough talent, the

631
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: older team is extremely difficult to beat because they do

632
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: all of these little things well. They box out extremely well,

633
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: they help defense so extremely well, they all the extra

634
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: effort plays because they've lost so many basketball games in

635
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: their lifetime that they have that scar tissue. Well, you

636
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: can tell that Chris paul is just made up of

637
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: just tons of scar tissue from every single failure in

638
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: his career. And he smells blood in the water, and

639
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: and he's just just taking control all of these games

640
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: in a way that that is extremely impressive to me.

641
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: And you know, there, I've seen lots of comps. It

642
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: reminds me of Dirk in two thousand eleven a little

643
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: bit um that, like I said, Lebron last year, in

644
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, he's very like he's not the

645
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: best player on the floor Janice is, But I you

646
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: could argue that Chris paul Is is every bit as

647
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: impactful in his ability when the game reaches like, okay,

648
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: eight point game here in the fourth quarter, Janice is

649
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: going crazy, But Chris Paul is just gonna make a play.

650
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna make a play here, he's gonna make a

651
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: play there, and he's gonna and he's gonna put it away.

652
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: And and I just you know, everyone has always asked

653
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: every one of us, like who you who you're rooting for?

654
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: You know who you're rooting for, and you know, I

655
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: would say that I was probably rooting a little bit

656
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: from Milwaukee, which is crazy because I'm from Arizona, but

657
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: because I find Chris Paul to be a little unlikable.

658
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: He's kind of a dirty player. He's he's heavy on

659
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: the heavy on the extra stuff, you know how verb begrudgingly,

660
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm he deserves to be a champion and and

661
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: he's playing like it, and he deserves to get finals

662
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: MVP if they win at this point, and I will,

663
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: I will, I will be able to handle the fact

664
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: that he's a champion because I'm gonna feel like he

665
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: deserves it, if that makes sense. No, absolutely, I didn't

666
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: get to watch this game fully live, so I rewatched

667
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: at like two in the morning, and even my notes here.

668
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: I think I wrote like Chris Small, Chris Paul smells blood,

669
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: because absolutely it showed in that fourth quarter. I think

670
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: he was just he knew exactly what was doing. You

671
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: could tell, like it's fun watching a player like him,

672
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Like he's not holding anything back anymore. So you could

673
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 1: tell like he's in full like go time. There's no like,

674
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: hey there's another season. The season's not ending, like I

675
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: gotta kind of know. It's like I'm getting to this spot,

676
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm raising up, I'm hitting this mid range pull up.

677
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: He was in full control. I thought every time the

678
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: Bucks made a run, he hit the biggest shot um

679
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: eating got like offensive rebound kicked out. He had like

680
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: a big time three. It's just cool to watch him.

681
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: Like I started really watching hoops in like oh eight,

682
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: and then in OH nine, I wanted to go to

683
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: my first game. First Laker game I went to was

684
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: Hornets Lakers oh nine in Staples. This is the team

685
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: that wins the title that year, that Laker team they

686
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: were won the first top Chris Paul and the Hornets

687
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: come in. Man, watching Chris Paul in person is just

688
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: a totally different experience. You see all the little ship

689
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: he does when it's not super great. It was that

690
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: like David West, Tyson Chandler, like people think of Chris

691
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: Paul is just traditional point guard, but he kind of

692
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: started that like double screen where the big roles and

693
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: one big pops, you know what I mean. And like

694
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: David westtrop forty five, that's night, Chris Paul had thirty

695
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: five and fifteen some crazy number and they beat the Lakers.

696
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: I remember just watching him and he was the most

697
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: annoying player to watch, but he was so good in

698
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: the crowd understood that it was cool to watch him.

699
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: And now it's like twelve years later or whatever, thirteen,

700
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's cool watching him. I always thought like

701
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: he was one of the best point cards ever and

702
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: it's he looks like he's gonna get his due here.

703
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely smells bud, not just blood. He smells

704
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: the whole damn shark right there. Like he he knows

705
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: he smells everything in the water right now. So he's

706
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: ready to go, and you could tell he's just he's

707
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: putting everything out there, and uh, I think he's the

708
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: finals MVP. Through these first two games, it looks like

709
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: and uh, I feel like he's gonna win it. So

710
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: it's cool to watch him kind of a kind of

711
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: go after this. Now, Yeah, I agree, And and like

712
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: I said, not not rooting for him necessarily because there

713
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: are some there's Chris Paul is just a lot. He's

714
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: just he's like I like, he drew an offensive foul

715
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: on Jhannice last night in the in that transition play,

716
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, oh, it was a good call. Yeah,

717
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: it's a good call, but screw that guy and that

718
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: like that's literally yeah, and like damn near damn you're

719
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: injuring Yournice on that play, and like it's just one

720
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: of those things where like but at the same time,

721
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: like I sympathize with it because you know, you know,

722
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm lucky. I'm I'm six six and I have the

723
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: six ten wingspan, I wait, two thirty pounds, Like guys

724
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: usually bounce off of me when I when I go

725
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: running into him. Chris Paul is a little guy. Like

726
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: for his entire career, he's had to fight and scratch

727
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: and claw for every little advantage that he's had. Every

728
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, from from the day that he was in

729
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: high school, you know, playing against the local prospects that

730
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: are you know, giant wings and bigs and stuff like that.

731
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: He's had to be the guy that's elbowing them in

732
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: the thigh and pulling on their jersey and you know,

733
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: like and screwing with them and stuff, because that's how

734
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: he gained advantages. And so I understand why he's wired

735
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: the way that he's wired. Doesn't mean I have to

736
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: like it, though, Like I have a problem with you

737
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: trying to yank Lebron's shoulder out of its socket or

738
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: or trip who was it Kyle Kuzma that one time,

739
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Like I have a problem with that kind of stuff.

740
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I get it,

741
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: Like I I sympathize with the plight of the little

742
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: man if that makes sense, No, for sure, And I

743
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: don't think he's like malicious in his intent. It's just

744
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: like he's so in the game and he's like so

745
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: like we need to win, you know, like that. I

746
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: think the biggest personification was like I don't forget what came.

747
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: It was like someone had their shirt tucked in or

748
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: or not tucked in, and like he's like, hey, that

749
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: guy's shirts not tucked in. Ref gave him a tech

750
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: and they won the game. With that, Like, that's so

751
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: Chris Paul like just getting every advantage you can and

752
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: uh like yeah, sometimes sometimes exactly, and it's over the

753
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: lines sometimes, Like it gets annoying. It's not Patrick Beverley

754
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: level to me, Like I feel like that's an even

755
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: that's an even more extension of what what Chris Paul

756
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: tries to do. But uh, yeah, like he just tries

757
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: to get any advantage man, And uh it's annoying, you

758
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: hate it, but when he's on your team, you kind

759
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: of root for it. So it's that's the Chris Paul

760
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: experience and he's one of the best point cards ever.

761
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: So he should get his do with this finals. Yeah,

762
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: and and last but not least for Game three, Like

763
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's textbook. You got to

764
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: continue that same amount of pressure that you're putting on

765
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: Chris Paul and Devin Booker, but you've gotta be better

766
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: in your backside rotations. You've got to figure out how

767
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: to do a better job off of the double team

768
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: rotating the shooters so that at least the looks that

769
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: Michael Bridges and Jake Crowder are getting are a little

770
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: bit more contested. Uh, just so that they're not making

771
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: eight in the quarter and then and then uh if

772
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: if your honest is going to be at the five,

773
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: you got a gang rebound um. There was a play

774
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the game where DeAndre and got

775
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: an offensive rebound where Drew Holiday tried to jump with him.

776
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: He he was he had inside position, tried to jump

777
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: with him eight and just reached over the top and

778
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: kicked it to a shooter for a three. That kind

779
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: of ended up being the dagger on that play. Drew

780
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: Holiday just needs to get in the squat and back

781
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: him out of the paint, like just box him out.

782
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: You're not You're not gonna out jump DeAndre Atan and

783
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: then just pray that one of your teammates comes flying

784
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: in like there's they need to as a team compensate

785
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: for the fact that they lack size as as a

786
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: rebounding team, which is something that they can do. They're

787
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: capable of doing it. They can they can be better

788
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: at the things that with the same strategy that they

789
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: had last night, and they can get a win. I

790
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: genuinely believe they can. I think Game three is the

791
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: is the one that they'll get. And that was like

792
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: the biggest play of the game in my opinion, like

793
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: that that that was the one where Aidan got the rebound.

794
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: I think they cut it to seven that point, and

795
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: then Aidan kicked it out for Chris Paul he at

796
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: the three, and that was like six minutes left and

797
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: they went up ten. But yeah, it's funny like going

798
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: to Game three, I feel like Milwaukee's gonna play well.

799
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: It feels like a game where Milwaukee is gonna go

800
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: up like ten in the first quarter and then it's

801
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna be like tied at halftime. Everyone's like what happened?

802
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: And then they win like a close one. That's what

803
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: it just feels like to me. Um. But yeah, hopefully,

804
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they can get some momentum going.

805
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: Um that crowd. It's always weird with home crowds. You

806
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: can kind of feel the nervousness as well. Um in

807
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: the in the air Milwaukee is a really uh kind

808
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: of like oh, we're kind of expecting something bad to

809
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: happen kind of arenas we'll we'll see, but that they

810
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: should be rocking and I think they'll win win Game three.

811
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: Game three is the crazy emotional back against the wall

812
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: crowd's going crazy type the game like, there's just so

813
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: many examples in NBA history of the team down oh two,

814
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: coming coming home in Game three and getting one, and

815
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: I believe they will. That spread is weird though, I

816
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: don't like four points. That seems too much to me.

817
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll see. I'll probably end up betting

818
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: it anyway. Um, all right, so we're gonna talk about this,

819
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: uh this podcast. So let me pull up the gentleman's

820
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: name so I don't completely butcher it, but so his

821
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: name is Matt Sullivan. So a little bit of backstory,

822
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: dude from dude from Bleacher Report. Uh. He goes and

823
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: basically covers behind the scenes the Brooklyn Nets for two

824
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: full seasons, basically ever since they signed Kyrie and Kevin Durant. Uh.

825
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: And then he releases this book and it's basically like

826
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: a tell all type of deal um and all sorts

827
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: of negative stuff about Kyrie and negative stuff. There's positive

828
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: stuff in there too, a lot of stuff about Kyrie

829
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: irving being super generous and and being very like doing

830
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: a like giving out out absurd amounts of money to

831
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: people without telling anybody. And this guy is basically the

832
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: first guy to to to put some light on it.

833
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: He said positive stuff about Kevin Durant and his commitment

834
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: to the game of basketball and all. So it wasn't

835
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: all had but there was a lot of let's just

836
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: call it dirty laundry that was being aired out. And

837
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, the first thing that I wanted to talk

838
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: about with it is just like how uncomfortable it makes

839
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: me that that this kind of stuff exists. Like, I

840
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: get it that this is part of journalism, is shining

841
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: a light on stuff that's happening behind the scenes. It's

842
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: also not the first time this has happened. We've seen,

843
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: like I'm reading a book right now called The Jordan Rules,

844
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: which is basically this exact same type of deal that

845
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: happened surrounding the Bulls. It was kind of a hit

846
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: piece of sorts on Michael Jordan and how much of

847
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: a jerk he was to his teammates and how overbearing

848
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: he was and all of those kinds of things. So

849
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I get that this is part of it, but this

850
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: one is even weirder because the Jordan Rules one was

851
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: this guy was just around the team and he was

852
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: reporting what he heard. This guy, this Matt Sullivan guy,

853
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: interviewed everybody, he conducted thousands of interviews, and he kept saying,

854
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: as as you pointed out when you and I were

855
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: talking before the show, he kept saying like I I

856
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: earned their trust right and told them that I was

857
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: gonna be reporting all this stuff. But it kind of

858
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: felt like he was saying stuff that was probably off

859
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: the record. You know, so exactly how how did you

860
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: feel just about the whole overall premise of the idea

861
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: of a dude getting this close to NBA players and

862
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: then airing out all their dirty laundry. It felt like

863
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: me the reason why NBA players are very like um

864
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: like particular with who they let in because of stuff

865
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: like this. That guess and now I don't know his

866
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: relationship with Katie Kyrie. I don't know. I'm not I

867
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: just listened to that one podcast. I haven't read the

868
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: book at all. It just felt very strange the way

869
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: it was put out, kind of like a like he

870
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: got it's kind of like he was pretending, not pretending,

871
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: but like you know, like hey, let's be friends, kind

872
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: of be open and then just he's like, yeah, you

873
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: can't see the book until it's out. You can't know

874
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: what's in it. Um, So it's kind of weird the

875
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: kind of parameters he created with these with these superstar

876
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: players who don't need his media to release their information.

877
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Keim Durrant has his own media company, Like he can

878
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: release any kind of story he wants, Like he doesn't

879
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: need some guy to like write this kind of stuff

880
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: about him. Um and again, like it's stuff that like

881
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: I'm not really surprised at. I feel like the main

882
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: kind of thing was the like Kim, Katie and Kyrie,

883
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, Katie, Kyrie and James Harden kind

884
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: of met up in this gym in California and then

885
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: kind of created a power play to kind of play together,

886
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: and Katie and Kyrie made roster's decisions, which again, all

887
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: of that I feel like isn't shocking to me, Like

888
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: those are That's the new NBA we're in. These superstars

889
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: not only picked their team they want to player to

890
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: play for, They picked the team they pick who's around him.

891
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: You don't think Lebron has a little influence and who

892
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: comes on the Lakers. Of course he does, He's Lebron James. Uh,

893
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: that's just how you don't need Dame like has a

894
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: saying who comes to the Blazers of course he does.

895
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: He's Damian Lars, So, like, I don't think too much

896
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: of that shocking. It was just weirdly said. The the

897
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: amount of like, hey, yeah, look at me. I got

898
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: close to them, like I want, I got close to them,

899
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: these other beat reporters, all they talk about his exs

900
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: and os, but I got deep with them, and then

901
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: you released all this information that probably they don't want out.

902
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: It's just like again, it probably puts another like another

903
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: thing in the in their mind about why the Katie,

904
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: I mean, Kyrie has been public about how he feels

905
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: about the media. They already the media, they already do

906
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: all of them exactly, and I feel like this just

907
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: perpetuates that. I just I didn't understand the need for it.

908
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure this book will do numbers. I mean,

909
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure in the summer when we have nothing to

910
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: do and there's no basketball on, it will kind of

911
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: grow on people. But I just didn't under It's just

912
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: the premise of it didn't feel right to me. It

913
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: didn't feel like he was authentic with them or us

914
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: because he kind of played both sides here, and I

915
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: just it made me feel weird. Even if the the

916
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: the information seems all true, Like everything he talked about

917
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: seems factual. Was he the one that got the Steve

918
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: Kirk quote as well? The the uh yeah I was

919
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: him too, Okay, Yeah, yeah, he had it all and

920
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: he corroborated everything with everyone. You're right, like it was

921
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: all it was all true. The thing the thing that

922
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: was weird and I'm sure you picked up on this,

923
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not big on like overly being personally critical

924
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: of people, but at the same time, like there there

925
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: was a little bit of an arrogance with that guy.

926
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: And it was interesting to me because, like you know,

927
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: there's there's a huge difference between confidence and arrogance. Like

928
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: anybody who's good in in their specific field is going

929
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: to have a certain amount of confidence. That's that's to

930
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: be expected. But yeah, the the the entire interview was

931
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: dripping with like that arrogance where it was like all

932
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: of these other Beat reporters were only asking about xs

933
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: and ohs, and I was asking them about you know, X,

934
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: y Z or this and that and this and that,

935
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: and it was like it was very like I'm it

936
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: was very like light years esque, like I'm the one

937
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: doing it the right way and everyone else is screwing up,

938
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, actually, dude, it kind of feels like

939
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: you're playing dirty and everyone else is playing clean. And

940
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of the way that it feels to me.

941
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: And and it was very like he was very quick

942
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: to just air everything out, Like there was a sequence

943
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: where like Dan Lebotard was like, tell us something that

944
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: we might not know about, and then he just came

945
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: right out and was like no hesitation. Was just like

946
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: he smoked so much weed, Like it was very weird

947
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: because for starters, I would imagine the vast majority of

948
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: NBA players smoke weed. I personally have absolutely no problem

949
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: with it, and especially dealing with what they deal with

950
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: out on the road and dealing with the pain in

951
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: their bodies, I have absolutely no problem with it. And

952
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: the and so just being like making it seem like

953
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is like this dude out there is just

954
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: trouble stoner while everyone else is doing their own thing.

955
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: That's that's that's bullshit, like like like all of these

956
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: guys are doing it. And so it just felt like

957
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: it felt like he was sitting on it and he

958
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: just couldn't wait to say it. And everything that like

959
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: Stugts was giving him crap. At the end of the interview,

960
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't need to read the book anymore.

961
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: You just told me everything, you know, And he kind

962
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: of did, like that's not how you're supposed to handle

963
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: book interviews. You're supposed to kind of leave some teasers

964
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: in there to to get people to read the book.

965
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: Like it was, it was such a bizarre interview. It

966
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: had me completely captivated the whole time, and all I

967
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: could think was is, like, this guy's kind of a scumbag.

968
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: But what did you what did you think about the

969
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: like you know? Uh, like for instance, they he said

970
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: that Kevin Durant basically had made up his mind he

971
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: was going to play with Kyrie during the finals like

972
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: that he was while he was playing in the finals,

973
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: he had already made up his mind. Like did you

974
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: did that just strike you as part for the course?

975
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: Did you find it unusual? Like where were you at

976
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: with all that? Yeah? I think that's such a weird

977
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: like kind of thing because we actually we don't no,

978
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, Katie and Kyrie are best friends, and

979
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: that's something that was actually reported if you remember at

980
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: the All Star Game of I believe that twenty was

981
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Africa seen was a year before he went around, and yeah,

982
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: like him and Kyrie were kind of really together during

983
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: that weekend, and people have pretty much said, like, oh, yeah,

984
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear those two want to play together. I

985
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: don't think that was a secret um any means, and

986
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: maybe they did, like but would never know. I don't know. Uh,

987
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: he seems like a competitive dude. I don't think he's

988
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: already like oh um or maybe like maybe he had

989
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: in his mind that he was going to leave. I

990
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: think Draymond also talked about this as well, that Katie

991
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: was already kind of had in his mind that he

992
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: was going to leave Golden State. Um. But again, like

993
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: him and Kyrie are best friends, so you never really

994
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: really know. Maybe they wanted to play together. I just

995
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: think that's kind of the new league we're in. This

996
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: is like players can choose, players can talk, make decisions.

997
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: My favorite thing was like the James Hardening because that

998
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: has such ripple effects. Right if them three decided there

999
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: in the California gym they wanted to play together, Katie

1000
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: and Kyrie already on the same team. James Harden is

1001
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: the top five level player going to a billion dollar

1002
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: franchise that thinks he's committed to them. In the beginning

1003
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: of the year, he plays two weeks plays like he

1004
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be there. Has this ship trades it,

1005
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: it changes the whole landscape of the league. That's moren't

1006
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: fascinating to me, um the kind of new lead. These

1007
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: guys understand that they're the main attraction here and they're

1008
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: the main power than the main guys in power, and

1009
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: that's just how things work now. I think that was interesting.

1010
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that we part, it was so weird

1011
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: to me because he said it in like a negative connotation.

1012
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: That's the part that and Dan Labatori and Stu Gods

1013
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: are really good at not being the story they're they're

1014
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: really good at They're good I think is one of

1015
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: the best of the people in our business. Like so

1016
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: that he never asked too much. He asked like the

1017
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: exact amount, like to where the other guy can really,

1018
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: you know, say what he wants. And I think he

1019
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: really put a really open door and I thought he

1020
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: was gonna say something interesting like, oh, yeah, you don't

1021
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: know Katie actually you know likes to do this on

1022
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: his free time, or you know, or something like Katie

1023
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: is a super interesting person, one of the most fascinating

1024
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: dudes probably in the league, who like understands his superstar

1025
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: but also it's like super humble in a way, like

1026
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: he'll just tweet back and forth with you, like he's

1027
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: an interesting dude. And for that to be the little

1028
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: tidbit you give, it's just that, I don't know, it

1029
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: felt like a very weird interview to me. Yeah, it was,

1030
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: there was there was there were so many little things unpacked,

1031
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: Like you know, I remember when the when the big

1032
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: crisis what went down last year with Bamer and oh yeah,

1033
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: you will notice that I was conspicuously quiet during that time.

1034
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: And the main reason why is because I just have

1035
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: kind of accepted the fact that that's how this stuff works,

1036
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: like and I don't expect any sort of punishment to

1037
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: come down for the Clippers, at least nothing significant, because

1038
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I just understand that the owners probably know that there's

1039
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: a half dozen of them that operate like this and

1040
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: they don't want to have that all come down, and

1041
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: like you know, so basically, and again you should listen

1042
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: to the podcast, but the uh uh they were talking

1043
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: about how basically Brooklyn has been picking up the tab

1044
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: on just about anything that those guys want. If they

1045
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: need a girl to get a hotel room in a

1046
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: specific place, they just pay for it, like they if

1047
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: they if they needed a specific piece of equipment there,

1048
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: if they needed an upgrade or any sort of anything,

1049
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: they just fit the bill and they just took the

1050
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: took over the bill. And like they were saying that,

1051
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: like the team accountants kept coming up to them and

1052
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: being like, what's the deal with all this money, and

1053
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: they'd be like, you just gotta figure it out for

1054
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: the superstars, you know, and that you know that, you know.

1055
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: There's the only part that I really had an issue

1056
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: with is like they were saying that Kyrie Irving was

1057
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: kicking dudes off the team just because they disagreed with

1058
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: him and like their war. And it's like, dude, Kyrie,

1059
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: like your worldview is is pretty far in one direction,

1060
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: Like there's gonna be some people that disagree with you.

1061
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: It's kind of a ridiculous reason to kick someone off

1062
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: a team, you know. But outside of that, I'm just

1063
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: kind of like, this is the way that the world

1064
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: works now. I and if and here's the reality of

1065
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: the situation. If if Brooklyn was healthy, they would have

1066
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: won the title this year and uh, and they're probably

1067
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: going to be the favorite to win it all next year.

1068
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: So are you gonna look at the Brooklyn Nets upper

1069
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: management and tell them they were wrong to give Kevin

1070
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: Durant and Kyrie the keys, because I would argue they're

1071
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: doing a pretty good job in terms of putting together

1072
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: a basketball team that can win the title, And isn't

1073
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: that the goal of all of this at the end

1074
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: of the day. I think my my favorite part they

1075
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: ToView was the guy was releasing that information right about

1076
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: the like, uh oh, yeah, the team puts the bill

1077
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: on a bunch of things, like he gets uh, he

1078
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: gets people rooms what they need of I think. I

1079
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: think Libtar was like, I think that's capture convention, Like

1080
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that's allowed. I was like, yeah, the guy,

1081
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: the guy is so in his own like want to

1082
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: release like this like gossip and tidbit, that he doesn't

1083
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: even see that as a story. He just wants to

1084
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: get this like, hey, I got to hang out with

1085
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: Katie and Kyrie, let me release the separation. Meanwhile, so

1086
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: like land Lembotard gives them the story of the year,

1087
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: He's like, I think that's captain and the guy's like, oh, well, yeah,

1088
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: you might be right about that. And I just think

1089
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: that was like just a perfect capsulation of like him,

1090
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: what he's trying to get out of it, and like

1091
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: what it actually like what if he wanted a story,

1092
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: that's like a story can go to. But like, I

1093
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: just think it's interesting that he didn't want any that

1094
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: he just wanted it looked like, to release some information

1095
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: about about the Nets. And I don't even think this

1096
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: really I feel like this is I think the Nets

1097
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: are super fascinating team last year. I think you could

1098
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: have really dove into some interesting things if you got

1099
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: that kind of access like he says he did. I

1100
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: just don't see the point of like sharing stuff that like, hey,

1101
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: these rich dudes do things that rich people do, Like

1102
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: I like that that kind of stuff doesn't really matter

1103
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: to me. Or these athletes smoke like that we're in

1104
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: one that's not a story actually took the way drug

1105
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: testing they don't give a credit. Yeah, It's just that

1106
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: was so weird for him to like he's like, oh,

1107
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: you have no idea how much Kevin dur asked smokes

1108
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: and downline, which I was like, oh, um, okay, like

1109
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: both a little awkward. Yeah, yeah, I asked them too.

1110
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: They're like they're like, hey, like, are you worried about

1111
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: repercussions from this? Oh? Yeah, like and and that that

1112
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: that would be Honestly, that's where I would, you know,

1113
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm a genuine believer in the fact that, like,

1114
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, the way you operate, let's just simplify to cliche.

1115
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: What goes around comes around, you know, Like I've worked

1116
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: in sales my whole career. I did. I worked at

1117
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: Verizon for years, and now I saw real estate like

1118
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: I operated clean business because I would rather sell less

1119
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: and have the good karma of repeat business than to

1120
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: chase the quick buck and to get yourself in some trouble.

1121
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: And the problem here is like, if you're an NBA

1122
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: player and this Matt dude comes around, now, are you

1123
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: even are you even talking about anything? Or you like,

1124
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: get the heck away from me, buddy, Like I know

1125
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: what you are, you know what I mean? Like it

1126
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: seems to me like he burnt down a lot of

1127
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: bridges with his ability to access players in chase of

1128
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: this one book with Bleacher Report. Maybe he'll make so

1129
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: much money on it. That he'll never need anything else.

1130
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: But it just it just struck me as like a guy,

1131
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: a guy playing by a different set of rules, and

1132
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: it made me a little uncomfortable. And to be honest, man,

1133
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: I felt bad for Katie and Guyrie. I felt like

1134
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: I felt like they're doing the same thing Lebron and

1135
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: a d are doing. They're doing the same thing Kauai

1136
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: and Paul George are doing. They're doing the same thing

1137
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: that all these stuff Lucas probably doing the same damn

1138
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: thing in Dallas, and and you demonize them and made

1139
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: them seem like they were playing above the above the rules,

1140
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: which I like, I had a problem with it. It's

1141
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: all I'm trying to say no for sure. And my

1142
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: issue kind of was like this guy doesn't seem like

1143
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: he's really interested at all in the Like you don't

1144
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: have to be fully interested in the basketball, but like

1145
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: it felt like this wasn't in like even a Katie

1146
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: Kyrie story. It was kind of just two superstars and

1147
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: they wanted to kind of he wanted to expose something

1148
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: that I don't think there was anything to really expose.

1149
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: It's like this was all kind of public knowledge. We

1150
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: know that superstars get a little more leeway here. We

1151
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: know they get some perks here. It's just how the

1152
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: world works. That's just how it works nowadays. And I

1153
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: think we know that. And again, like you get this

1154
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of access like you He's like, oh yeah, I

1155
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: have their number. He was like, I have their phone numbers.

1156
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: I text them. I don't just go to the Zoom meetings.

1157
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: I actually text them back and forth. There's a really

1158
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: weird thing to show all there, you know, And again

1159
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: probably perpetuates their belief and like, oh yeah, this is

1160
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: how most media and members act when you give them

1161
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: kind of this kind access. And why Kyrie gives these

1162
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: one word answers sometimes why Katie's like, you know, stop

1163
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: asking me that, or you know, just like stuff that

1164
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: they do when they're annoyed with media, And again it

1165
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: just further separates this gap between the media and the

1166
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: athlete when both of them should be working together. They

1167
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: have the same goal. They want to grow this league,

1168
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: and they both actually need each other in a little

1169
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: bit in some way, and and that gap keeps to

1170
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: separate because of stuff like this that comes down again,

1171
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: I haven't read the book, so I don't want to

1172
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: give like a full kind of stamp on it. Just

1173
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: hearing that podcast was very kind of uncomfortable. He offered

1174
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: enough information that you are you and I are not

1175
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: jumping to conclusions here now. He he went on that

1176
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: podcast and thoroughly revealed who he was. I genuinely, I

1177
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: genuinely believe that, And like, you know, what's you know

1178
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: what's hilarious is there's a reason why it's not that

1179
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: big of a story. It's because everything he revealed in

1180
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: reality wasn't all that shocking. Okay, so NBA player smoke

1181
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: sweet who cares? NBAS stars making decisions on behalf of

1182
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: the franchise? Who cares? NBA stars? Planning where they're going

1183
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: to go away in advance, and then pretending like they

1184
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: don't know who cares? NBA teams providing secret financial benefits

1185
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: behind the scene, Who Cares? Like all of that was

1186
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: very much to be expected. So it was kind of

1187
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: like a look at all the stuff I found out,

1188
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like a, well, we kind

1189
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: of already knew that, but you know, grats and and

1190
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope NBA players will will talk to

1191
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: you again, because they might not, you know what I mean? No, Yeah,

1192
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: for sure, I forgot who it was, but he was

1193
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: on the low Post um and he got to sit

1194
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: down with Katie for a while um and do like

1195
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: an interview with him, And I forgot who it was

1196
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: who we talked to. It was a writer of the

1197
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: book who wrote like the book on the Oklumba City

1198
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: thunder and all that, and he got to really sit

1199
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: down with Katie. He was on the low Post not

1200
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: too long ago. And uh, and like, I thought that

1201
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: story was interesting. It was about how Katie kind of

1202
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: sees I think we actually might have talked about it

1203
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: on the pod, but it was like Katie, how Katie

1204
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of sees all of us as like the same

1205
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: And like the guy was asking Katie about like, hey,

1206
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: what do you think about people saying you team up

1207
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: with other stars? He's like, we're on the same league.

1208
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: We're all trying to grow this we're all trying to

1209
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: grow the same league and kind of give like a

1210
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: picture of what Katie is on the outside. This just

1211
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: didn't tell me anything, and at least this podcast, it's

1212
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: just this felt like just trying to tell all trying

1213
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: to peek behind the scenes of stuff we knew was

1214
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: going on anyway, it was trying to make a picture

1215
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: of it, and I just I'm not sure what this did.

1216
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: I don't know what this book is going to do

1217
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: as well. Maybe again, maybe we're all bored. We kind

1218
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 1: of dive into it, but it it didn't really didn't

1219
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: really tell me anything. Yeah, if we run out offseason content,

1220
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: maybe well maybe we'll read this book on a on

1221
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: a final note before we get you out of here,

1222
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm so just as an homage to to Kevin

1223
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: Durant because I actually think he's the best player in

1224
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: the world right now in terms of just the guy

1225
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: who deserves to be recognized as such. Um you know.

1226
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: There there there was an interesting thing in the interview

1227
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: where basically the guy strongly hinted at the fact that

1228
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's dad thought that Katie was to be whole

1229
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: olden to Kyrie, and that in that Kevin Durant's family

1230
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: wanted him to go to the Knicks, but that Katie

1231
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: he wanted to go with Kyrie, which, for the record,

1232
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: in terms of basketball success, he made the right decision.

1233
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: Um yeah, he would have been a bigger, you know,

1234
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: fan base behind him if he went to the Knicks.

1235
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: But the Nets are probably the most talented team in

1236
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: the league by a significant margin. So you know, he

1237
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: made the right decision. But like there was some stuff

1238
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: there about whether or not he was beholden to Kyrie.

1239
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is is like since oh,

1240
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: and like that whole thing was Steve Kerr in in

1241
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: the in the in the dinner. You know, he kept saying, like,

1242
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, Kevin Durants the same guy he was in

1243
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: Golden State. Kevin Duran's the same guy in Golden State.

1244
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: I think he's wrong. Like Kevin Durant has leaned into

1245
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 1: his real self outside of Golden State and I and

1246
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: and that to me is a is a compliment to

1247
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: him because in Golden State he was kind of trying

1248
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: to be something he's not. Now he's being Kevin Durant.

1249
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: Like he does like to talk on social media, he

1250
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: does like to to be just an average guy who's

1251
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: who can hop into a space Twitter spaces with a

1252
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: bunch of average Joe's and just act like one of

1253
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: the guys talking hoops and not and not trying to

1254
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: have a superiority complex. He is a guy that that

1255
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: is fun to chill with and and and is way more.

1256
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: I would say he's more down to earth than like

1257
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 1: a Lebron type of guy. And and I think that

1258
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: that's what makes him so likable. And I think that

1259
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: in a weird way, him leaving Golden State and just

1260
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: kind of leaning into who he is as a person

1261
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: has made him, uh gained him support from a lot

1262
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: of people, Like I have a ton more respect for

1263
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant now than I used to, and because I

1264
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: know he's not trying to be something he's not, and

1265
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: and honestly, like I think he represents kind of like

1266
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: a new trail for a superstar, as like a guy

1267
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: who's doing things a different way and I and I

1268
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: respect the hell of it out of it, honestly. And

1269
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: in addition to the fact that I think he might

1270
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: be the best basketball player in the world right now. Yeah,

1271
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: and I think, like it's kind of funny, like you

1272
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: kind of see now why people I guess from mad

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00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: that when he went to Golden State, because this is

1274
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: how damn good Katie is. Like he literally is this good.

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00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: He can carry a team and all that, and just

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00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: even from off off the basketball, it's just cool to

1277
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: like hear him talk and interviews. He could tell like

1278
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: he's really at peace with himself, Like he's at peace

1279
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: with who he is, like his decisions, and he'll like

1280
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: go as someone he's like, hey, your rings are fake.

1281
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, what you're talking about, Like, I'm just

1282
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: sitting here chilling playing two K like going, Joe, go

1283
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: enjoy your life, and so like, it's just really cool

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: to see him reply to people like that, and uh,

1285
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: a guy that he feels accessible more than like other

1286
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: star players, right, And I think that's what's cool about it.

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00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: It feels like you can talk to Katie and he'll

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00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: reply back, and that's a really awesome trait for someone

1289
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: who's probably not as accessible as he is, but like

1290
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: he makes you feel like he is just the way

1291
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: he talks, and it's cool and just he's an amazing player.

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00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean he's probably the best right now,

1293
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: Lebron might. I mean, those are all conversation. I always

1294
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: differentiate between what you who you call the best and who, yeah,

1295
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: the best, Like Kevin Durant looked better than everybody at

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00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: the end of the season, so I think he does

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00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: to be called that. That's kind of what I'm saying. Yeah,

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00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: And it was cool to watch him just blow up

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00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: against the nets. Just I can get like forty eight

1300
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: in that Game seven, just watching him play again. Um,

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00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: after we lost like two years of Katie or like

1302
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: a year two one and a half year something in

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00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: Katie playing basketball, So it was joy to watch him

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00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: this year. And yeah, that that story didn't tell me nothing.

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00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: And I don't think they're texting that but that guy

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00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: back anymore. So fel like he burned that bridge, he

1307
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: burned that better savior message history with those stars, because

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00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the only text messages you read from

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00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: them anymore. Buddy. Um, all right, man, Well let's see

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00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: Game three is on Sunday, so we'll be going again

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00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: on Monday morning if you're up for it. Yeah, it's not,

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00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: isn't it not tomorrow? I think it's Sunday. So this

1313
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: series is weird from every every game until Game seven

1314
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: now has a two day off break Sunday, and then

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00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: they don't they don't play till Wednesday, and then they

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00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: don't play until Saturday. Oh that is that's really strange. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm done. Let's do it alright, brother, have a good day.

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Speaker 1: I'll have the recording of this up shortly and I

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Speaker 1: will see you on Monday. This sounds good. Thanks everyone,

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