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Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an

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Speaker 1: amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, we do lots of things happening.

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Speaker 2: So we've had a few preliminary court rulings go against DOGE,

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Speaker 2: particularly with their access to the treasury the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: this morning trying to fight back. President Trump asked about

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Speaker 2: it yesterday, so I give you the lay of the land.

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Speaker 2: With all of that, we've also got some interesting new

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Speaker 2: polls out. Trump's approver rating doing pretty well. In Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk's on the other hand, doing pretty badly, So we'll

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Speaker 2: dig into all of those version what they may poortend

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Speaker 2: for the future.

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Speaker 3: Elon and co.

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Speaker 2: Have taken aim at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. That

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Speaker 2: agency is effectively shuttered this week with potentially quite significant consequences.

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Speaker 2: This is some pretty brazen self dealing from Elon and

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Speaker 2: his sort of broligarch cohort, so we'll dig into what

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Speaker 2: that could mean as well.

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Speaker 3: Hakeem Jeffries, the leader of.

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Speaker 2: The Democrats in the House, is now trying to mend

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Speaker 2: fences with the billionaires who are upset with Democrats under

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration, are jealous of the access that the

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Speaker 2: Republican billionaires are getting and all the things and goodies

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Speaker 2: that they're I mean, interest, incredible stuff.

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Speaker 3: Steve and I is floating a presidential bid. Kind of

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Speaker 3: interesting I.

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Speaker 1: Could get beyond. He's against weed, you know, that's all.

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Speaker 1: That's all I need.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I will say is he lacks one thing

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Speaker 2: that the like ninety nine point nine percent of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. You know, he has one thing that most

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Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party lacks, which is actual charisma. You know,

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Speaker 2: point understands attention, not afraid of controversy, has charisma. His

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Speaker 2: nice politics are kind of like, you know whatever, They're

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Speaker 2: kind of like centristy, enlightened, centristing.

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Speaker 1: Lightned, centrist rich guide democrat.

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Speaker 3: But you know that's the vibe, that's the general vibe.

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Speaker 1: You got to take. You to take the pulse of

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Speaker 1: the country.

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Speaker 3: You can do worse, for sure.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we'll play you the clips from him and

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Speaker 2: some of the past things he said about politics that

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Speaker 3: And I have a monologue today.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking a look at the way that culture war

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Speaker 2: is being used to usher in a pro oligarch agenda,

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Speaker 2: CFPB being one example.

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Speaker 1: Of So watch it got to give him obligatory go

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Speaker 1: birds for my in laws.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the greatest days of their lives. I

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Speaker 1: can guarantee you that that game. Look, I don't I

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Speaker 1: I've been listening for a year. You know again, I

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Speaker 2: That fumble time they had one first down, one first

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Speaker 2: It was an outrageous, outrageous, insane blowout. There were a

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Speaker 1: It's like, maybe this is a de I t so

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Speaker 1: And I am very happy for them. Well, they're a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about it was when.

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Speaker 1: They got boots, Yeah, Taylor Swift got boots.

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Speaker 2: I thought it would be roughly even, but it was

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Speaker 2: overwhelmingly a pro Philly crowd. The thing that I liked

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Speaker 3: This was jist unreal.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so congratulations to the Eagles and all the

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Speaker 3: Congratulations to you and your family.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you very much. Do not do it. Don't

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Speaker 1: burn down the city. I get you know, let's just

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Speaker 1: stay off the polls and all that. I know that

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Speaker 1: last night it was supposed to be the crazy one,

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Speaker 1: a crazy fandom. I encourage people, if you have the chance,

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Speaker 1: because it's an experience. That's what I had, at least

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Speaker 1: at the NFC Championship. Anyways, let's get to the newest indeed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we had a few preliminary court orders go

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Speaker 2: against DOGE, in particular with regard to their access. They're

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Speaker 2: catching a lot of attention with regard to their access

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Speaker 2: at Treasury. President Trump yesterday was asked in the pre

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that? And does that slow

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Speaker 4: I disagree with it one hundred percent. I think it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: And we have to solve the efficiency problem. We have

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Speaker 1: Then you've found some moneys goings.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars of

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Speaker 1: Where if I.

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Speaker 4: Read a list, you'd say, this is ridiculous. And you've

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: So let's go and put the details up on the

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Speaker 2: screen of this temporary restraining order that was issued by

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Speaker 2: one federal judge. Now, my understanding is there's supposed to

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Speaker 2: that at a moment, but this was the initial temporary

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Speaker 2: restraining order. A federal judge on Saturday issued a sweeping

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Speaker 2: block on most Trump administration officials, including Elon Musk and

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Speaker 2: his allies, from accessing sensitive Treasury records for at least

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Speaker 2: a week while legal proceedings play out.

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Speaker 3: In New York.

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Speaker 2: Manhattan based US District Judge Paul Engelmeyer issued the middle

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Speaker 2: of the night order after an emergency request by nineteen

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Speaker 2: Democratic attorneys general warning that the efforts by Musk's so

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Speaker 2: Chargery's sensitive payment system, which have access to personal information

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Speaker 2: of millions of Americans and the government's financial transactions, were

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Speaker 2: putting their residents at risk. Engelmeyer said he agreed with

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Speaker 2: the state's assessment that the abrupt changes in policy implemented

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Speaker 2: by the Trump administration had created a risk sensitive data

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Speaker 2: He also said the states were very likely to show

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Speaker 2: the new arrangement was legally improper. Though Ingle Mayor issued

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Speaker 2: the emergency order, the case will ultimately handled by a

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Speaker 2: US district judge, Jeanette Vargas and Joe Biden appointseee who

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Speaker 2: the state of play. This order non only blocked the

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Speaker 2: system that controls all six plus trillion dollars of federal

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Speaker 2: you know, pretty sweeping order here, temporarily issued. And as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got the order there's of this morning that

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Speaker 1: I was just taking a look at, but basically asking

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Speaker 1: it does seem a little bit absurd that the Cabinet secretary,

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Speaker 1: the hands of Booz Allen Hamilton or whomever federal contractor

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Speaker 1: I thought that the order was really off the mark.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how can you block the United States Treasury

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Speaker 1: Treasury Department data? That just makes no sense.

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Speaker 3: I read the order differently.

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Speaker 2: I read it to be anyone from who's not in

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Speaker 2: the Treasury Department, which would not include Scott Bessant.

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Speaker 3: And perhaps the language is unclear.

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Speaker 2: It says political appointees, special government employees, and any government

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Speaker 2: employee detailed detailed from an agency outside the Treasury Department,

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Speaker 2: something that Republicans are really seizing on that, you know,

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Speaker 2: this ambiguity means that it could even apply to Scott Besst. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's a temporary restraining order. It's meant to apply just

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Speaker 2: for this week. But this is being used to really

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Speaker 2: launch an all out assault on the idea of federal

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Speaker 2: judges constraining the executive at all. And so the I

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Speaker 2: think really big question this morning is whether or not

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration is going to comply with this court

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Speaker 2: that question at this point, there was also an order

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Speaker 2: The screen here as well, just to get the details

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Speaker 2: there too. Judge block Trump from putting thousands of USAID

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Speaker 1: the explosion of federal contractors. So they have more legal

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Speaker 1: ground than I think people think. Whether they would come

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Speaker 1: all the way to Scotus, the question I think really

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Speaker 1: comes down to this, would they defy a ruling from

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court? I just don't think so, because it

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Speaker 1: would very much open the grounds to a lot of

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Speaker 1: the previous left talking points right about stacking the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: Because if you're just going to do that, then that

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Speaker 1: means that this thing has no legitimate authority, which is

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Speaker 1: something that JD. Trump and others have staked so much

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Speaker 1: of their legacy in terms of the federal judiciary. So overall,

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Speaker 1: do I think they're not going to comply? No, I

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Speaker 1: could be totally wrong. You know, I'm very open to it.

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Speaker 1: But I think the big talk that comes from MAGA,

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Speaker 1: from around all of this is a feeling of total

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Speaker 1: and complete political vindication over the legal system over I mean,

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Speaker 1: just think about, you know, the amount that has happened

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump over the last four years. How many

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Speaker 1: times not only counted out, but being told like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is it for him? What is it? Ninety something

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Speaker 1: felony charges, etc. And still not only be able to

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Speaker 1: win the election, but to pray to triumph in the

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Speaker 1: courts to be able to push these things off and

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Speaker 1: still take power with the popular vote. So that's just

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Speaker 1: broadly how I think we got to where we are.

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Speaker 1: And JD also you have to understand his role, right

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Speaker 1: is probably the attack dog of the administration. Now Trump

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Speaker 1: himself was more circumspect. I would say, in that clip,

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Speaker 1: what did he say? He was just like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't agree with it, but that's not doesn't I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to say I'm going to openly defy it, right.

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Speaker 2: He was not clear. Brebear said will this slow you down?

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Speaker 2: And he said no, So was not clear. But let

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Speaker 2: me let me ask you, Soger, because I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at this and you're zooming out. It seems pretty

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Speaker 2: clear they're following the Curtis Jarvin playbook aspects Butterfly Revolution is.

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Speaker 3: What it's called.

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Speaker 2: I know this stuff sounds crazy, but that playbook. JD's

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Speaker 2: very influenced by him, Peter Thial Elon Musk, all these

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Speaker 2: people very influenced by here him. And this is from

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Speaker 2: it's a newsletter called The Nerd Reich. And here's the play.

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Speaker 2: Number one, install a CEO dictator. Okay, that's Elon mus

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Speaker 2: very clear. His claimed control of the federal government is

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Speaker 2: running rampant through it, cutting agencies that he doesn't like,

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Speaker 2: destroying the CFPB, destroying the Partment of Education, destroying going

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Speaker 2: after the Department of Labor that's been blocked at this point,

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Speaker 2: destroying the USAID. Okay, so we see the parallel there.

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Speaker 2: Number two persh the bureaucracy. Yarvin's plan called for retire

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Speaker 2: all government employees.

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Speaker 1: Rage.

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Speaker 3: Rage. Yeah, that's what DOGE is doing.

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Speaker 2: That's what they are systematically doing, trying to push people

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Speaker 2: out through this probably also illegal buyout offer, gutting teams,

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Speaker 2: furlowing them, laying them off, etc. Build a loyalist army,

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Speaker 2: so Yarvin says, Recruit an ideologically trained army to replace

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Speaker 2: experts and enforce the new regime. We see that through

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Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five. We also see it through the

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Speaker 2: DOGE apparatics that are running through these various agencies. Not

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Speaker 2: to mention, then you also have the ideological sort of

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Speaker 2: like followers that Musk has himself cultivated in his own

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Speaker 2: power base, that he's cultivated through x. Number four dismantled

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Speaker 2: democratic institutions. Jarvin's blueprints strip power from federal agencies. We

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Speaker 2: already see that courts in Congress. The Congress part is,

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Speaker 2: you know, seizing control the chargery payments, saying we get

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Speaker 2: to decide Congress, we don't really care what you have

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Speaker 2: to say. We get decide to decide what spending goes

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Speaker 2: out and what doesn't.

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Speaker 3: You no longer have control.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they really are making trying to make Congress

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Speaker 2: thoroughly irrelevant. And obviously Musk has undermined the credibility at

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Speaker 2: federal government, downplayed legal oversight to fight regulatory authorities. And

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Speaker 2: this is where you know, part of the question comes

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Speaker 2: in Yarvin's blueprint specifically calls for defying the courts, something JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance has said they should do, something that he and

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk and a bunch of others are now floating

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Speaker 2: on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Do they go through with that plan?

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Speaker 2: Number five sees media and information control to maintain power.

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Speaker 2: Jarvin says take over government journalism, academian social media to

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Speaker 2: control public narratives. Elon Musk bought Twitter. Obviously that FCC

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Speaker 2: has been going after various news agencies, so has Trump

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Speaker 2: in terms of filing lawsuits and sort of demanding these

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Speaker 2: bribes for him to leave them alone and go away.

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Speaker 2: And so that seems like they're very much following the blueprint.

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Speaker 2: And part of that blueprint is when the courts try

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Speaker 2: to block you, you say.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: It's also you know, even if you don't buy that,

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Speaker 2: this is what they're following, which I think at this

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Speaker 2: point it's to me pretty undeniable given how closely it

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Speaker 2: matches all of the steps.

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Speaker 3: We also know how Elon.

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Speaker 2: Operates in the private sector, like he brazenly flouts the

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Speaker 2: law and so does basically every other CEO in the country,

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Speaker 2: by the way, whenever it suthes him, because he knows

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Speaker 2: that if you are an elite, you can basically get

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Speaker 2: away with it.

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Speaker 3: And Trump knows this too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump committed all sorts of crimes and he's

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Speaker 2: president of the United States, so he also knows that

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Speaker 2: you can basically get away with it. Elon also knows

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Speaker 2: he has impunity because if he does run a foul

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Speaker 2: of law and Trump can just pardon him, so no

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Speaker 2: big deal. So they don't really care what the courts say.

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Speaker 2: Some of these things. You know, maybe whether Scott Bessen

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Speaker 2: can be denied charge or ash or whatever our borderline,

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Speaker 2: some of them are really not. Like even if we

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Speaker 2: just take the example of firing all of the inspectors

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Speaker 2: not all, but the vast majority of the Inspectors General,

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Speaker 2: there is a law that says you have to give

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Speaker 2: thirty days notice and there has to be caused.

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Speaker 3: They just didn't do it. I just you know, USAID.

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Speaker 2: Again, separate, independently established agency by Congress. It has to

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Speaker 2: take an Act of Congress to get rid of this agency.

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Speaker 2: And they're like, no, we're just going to get rid

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Speaker 2: of it. We'll take some pieces of it, maybe put

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Speaker 2: in under marker via the State Department, but we're just

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Speaker 2: done with it. Apartment of Education, same thing, CFPB, same thing.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, I don't know what gives you

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Speaker 2: confidence that they're going to be like but we'll.

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Speaker 3: Follow the letter of whatever the court is.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say that, but what I do. I think

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Speaker 1: the problem with Curtis explaining is, Look, I've known and

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Speaker 1: read Curtis Yarvin for many, many years, and I think

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Speaker 1: that his influence is both obvious but also vastly overstated.

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Speaker 1: If and you know, by his own admission, he did

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Speaker 1: not predict many of the results that happened here. He

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Speaker 1: actually ridiculed at certain points people like Christopher Ruffo and

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Speaker 1: others who thought it was legitimate and operable to change

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Speaker 1: the system as it is happening right now. He's admitted

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Speaker 1: his defeat after Trump's first two weeks, and he said

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Speaker 1: that he was wrong. But taking back that playbook, if

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Speaker 1: you think about what that playbook is, it is an

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Speaker 1: attempt to establish one party rules. That's what FDR and

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Speaker 1: the New Deal it.

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Speaker 2: Is he wants. I mean again, he wants a monarchy,

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk as a CEO dictator and Trump as chair

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Speaker 2: of the board.

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Speaker 1: I actually think that's the playbook, That is the plan.

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Speaker 1: This is This is the important thing to understand. That

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Speaker 1: is every single thing you just laid out is effectively

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Speaker 1: what FDR did in the early nineteen thirties. No, it is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there was a guy named remotely True.

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Speaker 1: Look give me the attempt to explain here we had

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Speaker 1: people like Tommy Cochrane and Tommy the Cork and Harry

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Speaker 1: Hopkins and others who were very similar now non elected,

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Speaker 1: special appointed bureaucrats who created all sorts of throw it

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Speaker 1: at the wall programs who moved earth and mountains or

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Speaker 1: whatever you get past certain congress No, but not many

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Speaker 1: of them actually weren't. And actually they would separately appropriate

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Speaker 1: and move bureaucrats around. They had a strike team very

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Speaker 1: similar to DOSE. But step back and further think about

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Speaker 1: the things that you're talking about there about institutions, about

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Speaker 1: taking over media and others. A friend of mine, Juliu's Crime,

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Speaker 1: has said before that America always has one party rule.

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Speaker 1: It's just that the opposition party becomes one that is

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Speaker 1: effectively subservient. So, for example, in the New Deal era,

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Speaker 1: there was an attempt by people like god Robert, Robert

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Speaker 1: Taft and others, isolationist Republicans who are anti New Deal

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Speaker 1: in others that fought against FDR and Harry S. Truman

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Speaker 1: for twenty years, and they eventually lost. They lost when

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Speaker 1: Dwight Douiy Eisenhower became the President of the United States,

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Speaker 1: and when he did, he effectively codified the New Deal,

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Speaker 1: social security, the expansion of government, and accepted this new role.

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Speaker 1: What Curtis has always looked back on fondly, I guess,

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Speaker 1: is the establishment of FDR as a quasi monarch of

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Speaker 1: the United States, and he was by all accounts, and

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Speaker 1: not only in terms of his terms, his total and

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Speaker 1: command of the government. He attempted to pack the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: He very often many presents Lincoln and others right have

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Speaker 1: ignored the Supreme Court, have decided, you know, in extraordinary

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Speaker 1: moments to say that we're going to move in a

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Speaker 1: different direction. And even if you look back on Lincoln, right,

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Speaker 1: it's not exactly like the habeas corpus thing is so

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Speaker 1: tarnishing his legacy. What Curtis understands here was effectively saying,

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Speaker 1: if you want regime change, you have to change the

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Speaker 1: whole regime. Now, the regime of the United States has

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Speaker 1: been neoliberal and effectively culturally left wing now for basically

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Speaker 1: twenty years, especially yeah, I would say over twenty years,

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Speaker 1: especially pep Far and onwards, from the establishment of the

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Speaker 1: Obama dynasty, etc. Neoliberal worshipment with the worshiping of technocratic

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Speaker 1: neoliberalism on top of the explosion basically and move of

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Speaker 1: the cultural left inside and marching through all institutions right.

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Speaker 1: And so what Curtis is advocating for is to say, no,

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Speaker 1: this is the only attempt to roll back the institutional

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Speaker 1: takeover of cultural liberalism of all aspects of American life. Now,

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Speaker 1: even he has said he thinks that's a nearly impossible project.

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Speaker 1: And also, once something has been affected, it's very difficult

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Speaker 1: to roll it back because the Democrats could just win

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Speaker 1: and they could bring uh this forward. My point only

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Speaker 1: is that what if you look at it through this

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Speaker 1: lens of an attack not necessarily on executive power, but

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Speaker 1: as trying to roll back all of this complete step

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Speaker 1: change in American culture and life, all of the Trump

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Speaker 1: orders will make a lot more sense.

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Speaker 2: Your sager is quote from Curtis Jarvin. If Americans want

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Speaker 2: to change their government, they're going to have to get

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Speaker 2: over their dictator phobia. Hes I know what he wants

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Speaker 2: dictator like, My question for you is are you.

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Speaker 1: Good with that? Means? Are you are you good with FDR?

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Speaker 3: Dictator?

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Speaker 2: FDR passed his programs through Congress. Let me read you

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Speaker 2: the list.

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Speaker 1: I know what they are. I know about one hundred days.

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Speaker 2: Emergency Banking Act, Glass, Agricultural Adjustment at National Industrial COGAR Acts,

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Speaker 2: Civil Civilian Conservation Corps. And by the way, some of

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Speaker 2: these things were struck down by the Supreme Court and

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Speaker 2: guess what he abided by that Social Security Act, Wagner Act,

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Speaker 2: Works Progress Administration, Fair Labor Staters Act.

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Speaker 3: These were passed through.

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Speaker 2: Congress, not from some dictator king who just seized control

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Speaker 2: of the federal government. He had a supermajority, so we

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Speaker 2: had a because through elected representatives, through this thing we

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Speaker 2: called democracy. So yes, he had a lot of power

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Speaker 2: because he had a much larger mandate, massively larger than

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Speaker 2: what Donald Trump has. But I mean, that's I guess

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Speaker 2: that's just my question for you is like, are you,

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Speaker 2: as you're trying to explain, like the thinking and the well,

657
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Speaker 2: they're mad at the Democrats for this, and they don't

658
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Speaker 2: like the cultural institutions for that. Are you comfortable with

659
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Speaker 2: the remedy being a CEO dictator king usurping the power

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Speaker 2: of Congress and the court and remaking and remaking the

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Speaker 2: country however they want to remake.

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Speaker 1: It under Elon? Absolutely not. But if you're asking me

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Speaker 1: in an FDR context of like, am I cool with FDR? Yeah? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: If it was if it's is it nineteen, if it's

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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six, yes, no, no question.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking you about this situation right now. Well, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five. Are you comfortable with Elon Musk as the

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Speaker 2: CEO dictator of the country with Donald.

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Speaker 3: Trump's chairman of the board.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: And you do you think that that is in fact

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Speaker 2: the plan that they're trying to affect it?

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Speaker 1: Whether you law are, whether.

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Speaker 2: They are successful or not is an open question. Do

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Speaker 2: you think that is the plan?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't. I think that's Elon's plan. I do

677
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Speaker 1: not think that's Trump's plan. I definitely don't think that's

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Speaker 1: JD's plan. And I think this is the fundamental tension

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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration. And this actually gets to the

680
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Speaker 1: bigger problem, which is the fact that Elon himself is

681
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Speaker 1: not aligned totally. And I think you're doing your own

682
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Speaker 1: monologue about this specifically, which is Elon has very very different,

683
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Speaker 1: you know, interests, and at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: is actually a separate power force in a way that

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Speaker 1: the people I mentioned, Harry Hopkins and Tommy the Cork

686
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Speaker 1: were employees and we're basically subservient to FDR. So I

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Speaker 1: think that the fundamental tension here is that you really

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Speaker 1: have the quote unquote CEO person who's trying to enact

689
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Speaker 1: rage and all this who has a very different ideological

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Speaker 1: agenda than many of the voters in the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: I think that's actually why I'm not quote unquote comfortable

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Speaker 1: with it. I think that the prop and what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: If there was a different CEO dictator, you to be comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because listen, there are many things.

695
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Speaker 3: You're in favor of, like a monarchy in the.

696
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Speaker 1: I am in favor. If you were to call FDR

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Speaker 1: a monarch thing, yes, I'm in No, this is not

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Speaker 1: what str did.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about today in the here and now, what

700
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Speaker 2: they are trying to accomplish. If you had, instead of

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk in the role JD. Vance in the role

702
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Speaker 2: as CEO dictator of the country, with Donald Trump the

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Speaker 2: chairman of.

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Speaker 3: The board, you'd be cool with that.

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Speaker 1: Bay Like we're done with.

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Speaker 3: Democracy, We're having a king. That's where we are.

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Speaker 1: Is that the use of the terms, the use of

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Speaker 1: the terms in the American context is the closest we

709
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Speaker 1: ever got was FDR. So if we were FDR style, yes, absolutely,

710
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Speaker 1: Now would I be comfortable with that?

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Speaker 3: Not what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to exprest.

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Speaker 2: F DR went through Congress. They are trying to complete

714
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Speaker 2: like you're taking this to literally the role of Congress.

715
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Speaker 1: They're taking this to literally and not at that time

716
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: what they're doing because at that time there were no

717
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Speaker 1: government agencies that existed, and so the way to enact

718
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: like crazy change was to create new agencies. Right, Whenever

719
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: you are doing a revolt against institutions, what do you do?

720
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Speaker 1: You take over those institutions and you try to dismantle them.

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Speaker 1: In fact, this is probably more analogous to the Bolshevik

722
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Speaker 1: revolution in taking over all of the institutions, burning them

723
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Speaker 1: down from the Czarist illegitimate regime. I think we would agree,

724
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: right and basically trying to enact a new form and

725
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: a new paradigm shift. Now, none of this is one

726
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: to one because obviously things rhyme. What I'm saying in

727
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: the context of where we are right now, if it

728
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Speaker 1: is aligned, and part of the reason why I don't

729
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: feel so alarmed, like you said, is I don't believe

730
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Speaker 1: what you do. I don't think they're going to defy

731
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court order if they do five alarmed fires,

732
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Speaker 1: you you do accept that at least Elon is trying

733
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Speaker 1: to effectuate this butterfly revolution, which calls which he's gone

734
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Speaker 1: step by step, and which does call for ignoring and

735
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Speaker 1: defying the courts, something he has done in the past.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think something JD Vance has

737
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Speaker 2: explicitly called for multiple times. Something they are, you know,

738
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Speaker 2: on Twitter, basically fomenting popular consent for going again and

739
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: just ignoring any federal court order that goes against them

740
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Speaker 2: like that. That is what they're doing right now.

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Speaker 1: Again, whenever they actually defy a Supreme Court order, then

742
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Speaker 1: I'll say something. But at the current time, I don't

743
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Speaker 1: think that that's happening. I think we disputed that jd

744
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: quote before, as we did on our last look it

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Speaker 1: up I did. We talked about it. Yah, show me

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Speaker 1: he specifically. There's a whole Reason article about this. I mean, look,

747
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Speaker 1: if we want to do it, we can. I read

748
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Speaker 1: it last time. How it has JD Vance raised the

749
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Speaker 1: specter of open disregard for court rulings. It's right here.

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Speaker 1: I will send it to our group chat so that

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Speaker 1: we can all discuss it and we can look over

752
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Speaker 1: the transcript. We can even put it on said this

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Speaker 1: as a pull, as he said, I So, I think

754
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Speaker 1: what you can do in the Senate is push the

755
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: legal boundaries as far as the Supreme Court will let

756
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Speaker 1: you take it to basically make it possible for democratically

757
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Speaker 1: accountable people in the executive and the legislator to fire

758
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: mid level up to high level civil fervents like that,

759
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Speaker 1: to me is the meat of the administrative state twenty

760
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Speaker 1: twenty one podcast appearance, which I believe is the same.

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Speaker 3: One twenty three one.

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Speaker 2: Fire every single mid level, every civil servant in the

763
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Speaker 2: administrative state, replace them with our people. That's what they're

764
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Speaker 2: doing the Chief and he further suggested that if the

765
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Speaker 2: Court's intervened, Trump should respond by saying, the Chief Justice

766
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Speaker 2: has made his ruling, now let him enforce it. Very

767
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: much imployment here, and he's also saying the same shit

768
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Speaker 2: on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Here's what the Reason fact check said. I think,

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Speaker 1: if you consider the full podcast, advance is not actually

771
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Speaker 1: calling for the defiance of the Supreme Court. The Andrew

772
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: Jackson line is almost cliche at this point, is apocryphal. Anyway,

773
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Speaker 1: Jackson almost certainly didn't say it. Now again, we could

774
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Speaker 1: say parsing in all of this is almost foolish, because

775
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: let's see what they actually do when they're in power,

776
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: and let's get back to the meat of what we're

777
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: talking about is if you think about the twenty twenty

778
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: five Trump administration, what is the actual goal. As I've

779
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: been trying to say, it's about dismantling technocratic neoliberalism and

780
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: turning back the tide of all institutions in America. That

781
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: is both how they see it. I think to a

782
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: certain point that is what the American people voted for.

783
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Speaker 1: Now when we put those two things together, it makes

784
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Speaker 1: sense about how the whole coalition has come together. And

785
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time trying to think about

786
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: this through line because it can seem really inconsistent to

787
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: have liberals like RFK Junior and Tulca Gabbard and Mark

788
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: Andresen and Elon Musk and Trump and JD people completely

789
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: across the ideological spectrum. You put all of those people together,

790
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: what unites them It is being oppositional to the quote

791
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: unquote technocratic neolip point of view in almost every way.

792
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Speaker 1: So with Elon you think about him as the most

793
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Speaker 1: unconventional CEO basically of all the time, built two companies

794
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: in spaces that were never supposed to work, both in

795
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: SpaceX and in cards to find the conventional wisdom. For crypto,

796
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: it's about attacking for this is why you do the CFPV.

797
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: It's about attacking the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to take

798
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: on the legitimate financial system. Now you may think that's bad,

799
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: but that's the impetus for RFK Junior. It's about what

800
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: it's about the establishment of healthcare, vaccines, all of that.

801
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Speaker 1: It's anything that thought. For Tulsi Gabbard, this is somebody

802
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Speaker 1: who literally whose entire career has basically been trying to

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00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: be against the security state and others. Now they're all

804
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: have been compromised in many, many different ways, but the

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00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: through line of those three of those things is against

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Speaker 1: these institutions, which are both governmental, non governmental, academic and others.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, go to Congress.

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Speaker 2: Don't get to just run rampant and cut out the

809
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Speaker 2: pieces you don't like, because that's illegal.

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Speaker 3: It is a crime spree. Now.

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior, I think is a disgusting human being who

812
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: puts us in danger, and I think it's a whrror

813
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Speaker 2: that he is being confirmed to run HHS. It was

814
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Speaker 2: done through legal channels. He was part of the I

815
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 2: think he is a big part of the reason Donald

816
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: Trump got elected. He has now been confirmed. The Senate

817
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Speaker 2: is majority Republican. They're going to buy and large get with.

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Speaker 1: It.

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Speaker 2: Was the same thing with Telsey, got the same thing

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Speaker 2: with all of these people.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I don't like it, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's illegitimate or it's a constitutional crisis.

824
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Speaker 2: When you just go into the treasury payment system and

825
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: are like, I'm going to cut off the pieces. I

826
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Speaker 2: don't like me one person, Elon Musk, who you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, whether it was Donald Trump, even if he was,

828
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Speaker 2: you know, as the legitimate elected president was the one

829
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Speaker 2: doing the picking and choosing, that would still be raisingly illegal,

830
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Speaker 2: unconstitutional assault on the way our entire government is set up.

831
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Speaker 2: So these things are very distinct. And you know the

832
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Speaker 2: piece of this too that I don't know where you

833
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: get your confidence from, is Trump has done everything Elon

834
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Speaker 2: has wanted him to do.

835
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Speaker 3: I mean, Trump is out there issuing.

836
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Speaker 2: Executive orders about South African like boor the resettlement which.

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Speaker 1: They don't even want apparently they don't even.

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Speaker 2: Want, which because they claim they're indigenous, which don't even

839
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 2: get me started down that particular rabbit hole. But this

840
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: is clearly coming directly from Elon Musk. As I mentioned before,

841
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Speaker 2: the executive order to ban to dismantle this one particular

842
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Speaker 2: part of the department lever which just so happens to

843
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Speaker 2: be investigating Elon Musk and Tesla. You have the secretary

844
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: of the Air Force that Trump has now put it

845
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 2: into place just so happens to be the guy who

846
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: greased the skids for Elon Musk SpaceX to get massive contracts,

847
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: effectively rigged the contracting process to make sure that SpaceX

848
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Speaker 2: would win. Oh no, he's got him as the Air

849
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Speaker 2: Force secretary. Okay, Trump has completely changed his views on

850
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 2: crypto and is now you know, totally pro crypto, got

851
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: his own shit coin. I got a lot of questions

852
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: too about who is who the whales are that are

853
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: involved there, because it's also very possible deal was made

854
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: of basically like we will make you wealthy on the

855
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: level that we are, and we're you're going to stay

856
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: on in jail. Elon's gonna help you win and we're

857
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: gonna get to do what we want to do. We're

858
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: gonna run the government the way we see fit. You know,

859
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: all of these like agency hands that people are so

860
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Speaker 2: excited RFKA and told seeing whatever people I think are

861
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: terrible people. But whatever they're like I said, legitimate, These

862
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 2: people are irrelevant now, like they don't matter. What matters

863
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: is what Elon decides, whether you know, whether you're agency

864
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Speaker 2: is going to stay or go, how much budget you're

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Speaker 2: going to have, how you know, how much enforcement you're

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Speaker 2: going to have, whether your agency having to tick him

867
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Speaker 2: off and try to regulate him, like from his perspective,

868
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Speaker 2: from Elon's perspective, and I do think Elon is running

869
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: the show at this point. There is no sign that

870
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: Trump has resisted him on anything. H one to B

871
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: is another example where Trump completely changed his orientation to

872
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: be like, yes, I want you to have your indentured

873
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: servant workforce to whatever extent you possibly do. The reason Elon,

874
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: I think and I think you might agree with this part.

875
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: Elon has cast himself in the role as the hero

876
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: and savior of humanity. He truly believes he is the

877
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: most brilliant person on the planet, that he alone can

878
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: rescue us from whatever ails us, whatever ails the country,

879
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: whatever ails the world. You know, he has these fantasies

880
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: about colonizing Mars and whatever, and so he has almost

881
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: this sort of the like effective altruist mindset of like,

882
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 2: since I've decided these are the existential threats to humanity

883
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: me alone, I've decided it justifies anything to get to

884
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: those ends, right, It's the definition of the ends justify

885
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: the means. So if you know, kids with AIDS in

886
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: Africa have to die, or if the Democratic Republic of

887
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: America has to come to an end and laws have

888
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: to be broken, and I mean that's the least of it.

889
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: He doesn't care.

890
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: Anything justifies the ends that he has decided on as

891
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: himself again cast in this role as hero and savior

892
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: of the universe. And so that to me, very systematically

893
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: is what he's pushing towards and what is playing out.

894
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: And no, I don't see any resistance from Trump, and

895
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: I see Jdvans very much echoing, you know, and trying

896
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: to bolster the arguments that Elon is making in this.

897
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that you're wrong on a lot of

898
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: the track that you just laid out. The question is

899
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: again where it arrives in terms of genuine impacts. So

900
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: you could look at it the way you just did,

901
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: and I think that's I think it is totally legitimate.

902
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: I think that's the way a lot of people who

903
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: are reading the news who are elite Democrats and others

904
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: who are feeling about this because they can understand the stakes,

905
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: the process, et cetera. The problem that I think is that, look,

906
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: if we're actually talking about payments with the Treasury Department,

907
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: they think cut off a single payment right now? We

908
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: we will? I mean, I think we would know at

909
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: this point, wouldn't we? How do you know? I mean,

910
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: like there's fairly certainly there's.

911
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: Also reporting that they were changing code in the back

912
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: end to facility to facilitate the ability to cut off

913
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: payments and also reportedly to make it more difficult to track.

914
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: But I think that's a pretty distinct difference than actually

915
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: that's a very distinct difference in my opinion, then actually

916
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: cutting it off again Usaid. USAID workers are not coming

917
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: to work the budget. It's still appropriated as far as

918
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: I understand it. The payments and all of that, at

919
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: least some have gone through.

920
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: No pals are not going through.

921
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: No no haven't gone through to certain programs which they say

922
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: that they don't agree with. But not all quote payments

923
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: have been shut down.

924
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: How much all payments including PETFAR which was specifically supposed.

925
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: To be exempted.

926
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: But if you only have you know, one hundred and

927
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 2: two hundred workers at USAID, nothing is going It's.

928
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: A different process, something that's going out.

929
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: But and it actually still gets to the end result here,

930
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: which is that is quote unquote is the Department of

931
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: Education if it gets shut down but all funds continue

932
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: to go to the states. Is that a bad outcome

933
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: that most people will feel. I don't think so. I

934
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: have deep skepticism as to whether people will care at

935
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: all whether some Department of Education bureaucrat has a job

936
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: if their state funding still continues to come through.

937
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: But how is the state funding going to come through

938
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: if there are no employees to issue with stagger?

939
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: Well, I mean not the way that it's not.

940
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: The way they need to work, But how many do

941
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: you need? I mean, And this is the genuine question

942
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: that gets to kind of the way that Elon has

943
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: run Twitter. I'm not even disagreeing that Elon doesn't have

944
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: a completely separate agenda. I don't know for sure whether

945
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: and this where they're analysis of whether Trump has completely

946
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: deferred to him is entirely correct, because he still is

947
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: playing small ball in a certain way and This is

948
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: part of why again, I want to step back, and

949
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: if you look at the way that DOGE was originally sold,

950
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: and actually if you look at Vivek Ramaswami's decision not

951
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: to join DOJ, you can maybe give him some political

952
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: credit because what's the thing he identified, which was the

953
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: word the bad way that he was taking, the bad

954
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: way that he was going down this road. The way

955
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: that he was going down the road, according to Vivek,

956
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: is that he believed that the way that they are

957
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: going down was from this technical approach as opposed to

958
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: a legalistic and more Project twenty twenty five attempt to

959
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: dismantle the government, one which was like a carefully laid plan.

960
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: He specifically appears to have dissented from Elon whenever it

961
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: came to this approach of this. Well, I mean you

962
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: could call it that. I'm sure. I'm sure I know

963
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: that that's what many people would like to believe. I

964
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: think it's a bit of a fan full term here currently,

965
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: But that's fine. You know, we can all use the

966
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: rhetoric that we decide. But my point that it comes

967
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: back to is we're talking about point seven percent of

968
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: the federal budget. Even we look at the Department of Education.

969
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: These are completely these are rounding errors. They told us

970
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: they were going to cut what was it, five trillion

971
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: dollars from the federal government from the federal budget. I

972
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: believe Elon has now revised his federal spending to if

973
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: we can cut five to ten percent, which is already,

974
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: by the way, a massive retraction from where he originally was.

975
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: Much of this is almost an attempt, like at the

976
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: political level, to initiate what I think is the response

977
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: that they're getting from the Democrats, but at a fundamental

978
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: level is not really altering the entire United States federal government.

979
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: Like nobody in the country is feeling except the people

980
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: who work here in DC, and that's where all the

981
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: protests are hilariously is because it's the bureaucracts. The employees

982
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: that work for these agencies cares about USAID. Nobody cares

983
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: about a mid level Department of Education person. It gets

984
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: back to my point here about the disman of these institutions,

985
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: of these make work programs, of these NGOs and others.

986
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: If you want to attack the center of gravity of

987
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: what liberalism is. Liberalism is about the worship of elites

988
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: and institutions at fundamental at an operational level. That is

989
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: what the Elon, Curtis Jarvin and Trump attack really brings

990
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: it to full circle.

991
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: It's about having a dictator. You're right. I mean that's yeah.

992
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: It's an attack on the institutions, dismantling them and installing

993
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: Elon as a CEO dictator.

994
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: Well, I think that again, I think that's Elon's plan.

995
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: I think that is Elon's and.

996
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: He's effectuating it like he's putting it into place. So,

997
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you're right about you know, is he gonna

998
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: The amount of the point is not how in spite

999
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: of what Elon says, The point is not a government efficiency.

1000
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: The point is not shrinking the federal budget and deficit

1001
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. The point is consolidation of power in

1002
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: the hands of Elon Musk.

1003
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: That's the point.

1004
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: That's you're right, yes, yeah, And Elon has been given

1005
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: carte blanche, is being.

1006
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: Backed up Trump administration by Trump and JD.

1007
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: Vance.

1008
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: So and also, you know, it's not true by the

1009
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: way that just the protests are only in DC. They're

1010
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: having protests elsewhere. But also senators say they're getting sixteen

1011
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: hundred calls a minute, right, now freaked out about what's

1012
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 2: going on. That is as opposed to the typical forty

1013
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: calls per minute. So it's not you know, to say, oh,

1014
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: it's only federal government and employees that care about this.

1015
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: That's just factually not true.

1016
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Okay, But it gets to my neurotic liberal point about

1017
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: people who are obsessed with that that is not But

1018
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: we're the ones who are the most freaked out.

1019
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: Okay, But yeah, people should be paying attention. That's not

1020
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: a bad thing for people to be paying attention to

1021
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: the news. Our whole business.

1022
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: Happy to have you all here. But as I've tried

1023
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: to tell you all many many times, if you read

1024
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: the news every day, you are very out of step

1025
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: with the general public. I have deeply reconciled myself to that.

1026
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the way that Americans experience the world.

1027
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, they're shutting down the US idea. Okay,

1028
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: didn't even know what that was. But Department USA. I

1029
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: hate the Department.

1030
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: They're going, they're going, okay, USA, D you're wrong about

1031
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: Department of Education. The public school system, especially in rural or.

1032
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: You're talking about funding. You're not separate from the actual

1033
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: Department of Education.

1034
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: And having a Department of Like, if you're going to

1035
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: get the funding, you have to have some sort of

1036
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: bureaucracy in order to issue the pelgrants and the special

1037
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 2: education funding and the Title I fund. All of these

1038
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: things have to go through some sort of bureaucracy, and

1039
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: it's called the Department of Education. They're in the Social

1040
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: Security systems. They're in the National Oceanic the like hurricane

1041
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 2: Watch weather systems. They're in the Medicare systems. Elon is

1042
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: out there post reposting Mike Lee about how social Security

1043
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: is a scam and you should just have a you know,

1044
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: private market based retirement account. That's like, all of these

1045
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: things are on the table. He's already moved way beyond

1046
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: usaid there. We're going to talk in a little bit

1047
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: about him dismantling the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which means

1048
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: that you are going are much more likely to get scammed.

1049
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: Like.

1050
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: This is an agency that was set up after the

1051
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: financial crisis to try to curb some of the accesses

1052
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: of banks, Wall Street and other types of scammers. It

1053
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 2: has been very successful too, by the way, has returned

1054
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: some twenty one billion dollars to consumers that is gone

1055
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: now as well the nationale RELATIONSHS where your ability to organize, so.

1056
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: To be like, oh, it's just the usaid, it's.

1057
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: Already gone way beyond that. That's already like, you know,

1058
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: that's already old news. We're talking about way down, way

1059
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: down the line in terms of the things that he

1060
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: is targeting. I just want to get through these couple

1061
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: of tweets that we have and then we can move

1062
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: on to the polling, because I do think that's the

1063
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 2: next logical place to go, and some of we've already previewed.

1064
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: So we've got Tom Cotton, who is also you know,

1065
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: attacking the judge here, outrageous Obama Judge Paul Englemeyer didn't

1066
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: just bar Elon Muskin dog treasury systems, barred the Secretary

1067
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: of the Treasury himself. Again, I didn't read it that way,

1068
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: but I admit the language's of ambiguous.

1069
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 3: With outsiding a.

1070
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: Single law that's a lie, or even allowing the Trump

1071
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 2: admin to appear in court, the Trump administration is going

1072
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: to have their chance to make their case. This outlaw

1073
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: should be reversed immediately, and Engelmeyers should be forbidden by

1074
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: higher course from ever hearing another case against the Trump administration.

1075
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 2: We can put the next piece up on the screen.

1076
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: So Mike Lee says about this court ruling, this has

1077
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: the feel of a coup, not a military coup, but

1078
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 2: a judicial one, to which Elon replies yes. Elon also

1079
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: reposted a longer post that was calling specifically for ignoring

1080
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: the decisions of the federal judges. And then the last

1081
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: piece here is there was reporting about there was a

1082
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: contractor from Booz Allen Hamilton who wrote a report saying

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Speaker 2: that describing the Doge incursion to Treasury as a quote

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Speaker 2: insider threat, so you know, significant threat risk based on

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Speaker 2: what they understood to be happening. The Booz Allen Hamilton

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Speaker 2: now have said oh no, no, we didn't mean it,

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Speaker 2: and we fired that person, etcetera, etcetera. But you know,

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Speaker 2: people who are looking at this, many of them find it.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's one guy in Booz Allan. I'm not

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Speaker 1: taking it all that seriously. So okay, thank you for

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Speaker 1: your opinion, sir,