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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi? Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today?

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Speaker 1: We have a fantastic actor joining us. It's Clark Greg.

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Speaker 1: You may know him from a Few Good Men, Wow

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Speaker 1: to so many things, the West Wing obviously Sex and

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Speaker 1: the City, Agents of Shield. And now he has a

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Speaker 1: new show called The Artist, which is on a new

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Speaker 1: streaming app called The Network. Can't wait to see it,

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Speaker 1: so joining me today to recap, Don't ask, don't tell,

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Speaker 1: Clark Greg is here. What I want to say about you,

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Speaker 1: and this is one of the things I love so much,

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Speaker 1: is like you have worked on everything, Like you have

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Speaker 1: worked and worked and worked. And I saw that you

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Speaker 1: told a funny story in a different interview like in

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Speaker 1: the past, about when fans approach you and you're trying

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Speaker 1: to guess what they might be going to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about, because you have are you really that's funny?

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Speaker 1: Such a variety of things that you've done.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you hang around long enough.

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Speaker 1: Totally desperate enough, like oh, look, everything but dancing with

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Speaker 1: the stars, well you know me too, me too, Because

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Speaker 1: there's not enough money in the world for me to

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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 2: No, I watched my ex wife live through it.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh my god, right right. Yeah, See physically, I

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Speaker 1: just don't think I would survive much less emotionally.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I kill it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're sweet. I think you would kill

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Speaker 1: it as well. But yeah, it's never going to happen,

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Speaker 1: only in my fantasies, because I would really devastate anyone's

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Speaker 1: preconceived notions of me if I went on that show.

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Speaker 1: But You've done so many things and we were very,

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Speaker 1: very lucky to have you on Sex and the City.

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Speaker 1: It aired on August twenty seventh, in the year two thousand.

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Speaker 2: Which means I shot it in the spring.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety nine or in the spring, probably because we

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Speaker 1: would go to work in February. We would be filming

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Speaker 1: while it was on the air. Like in the olden

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Speaker 1: days we used to do right in like TV land.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you probably shot it in the spring. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you remember, Like did you know

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Speaker 1: the show? Like did you what were your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: I knew the show little. What was I doing. I

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Speaker 2: was living in New York at that moment, but I

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Speaker 2: was back and forth between New York and LA a

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Speaker 2: lot in those days, and I don't think I had HBO, right,

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Speaker 2: So I had seen a couple and I just knew

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Speaker 2: that it was something that guys I knew were like,

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Speaker 2: I'm the bimbo this week, and it was kind of

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Speaker 2: passed around like guys, I'm like, oh, what's your kink,

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Speaker 2: what's your thing?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I like that.

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Speaker 2: So I was thrilled to join that club. And I

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Speaker 2: feel like I hadn't met I knew list to Chillo

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Speaker 2: and maybe Cindy shoot Back. I knew a couple of

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Speaker 2: the writers right. And I had met Sarah a couple

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Speaker 2: of times when she was doing a Robbie Bates play

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Speaker 2: at Playwrights Horizon. I was in another play, smaller theater upstairs,

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Speaker 2: so I knew her a little bit, but only my all,

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Speaker 2: my all, my love dealings were with Miranda.

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Speaker 1: I know. So wait, you had never met Cynthia. I

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Speaker 1: think we met one in that Carole right right, all.

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Speaker 2: In our whatever twenties or something in New York and

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Speaker 2: I bumped into people and there, but you know, so

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Speaker 2: I was always like, yeah, we kind of yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but not you know, not in that way. I

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Speaker 1: get it. So I love your role so much and

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Speaker 1: I had completely forgotten all the details because I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen these shows since, you know, since we made them. Right.

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Speaker 2: No, I did a sitcom with Juey Lloyd Dreyfus like

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Speaker 2: six or seven years later than this, and I watched

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Speaker 2: them like I've never seen the show before. This is

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Speaker 2: so exciting. What's going to happen next? I'm saying a

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Speaker 1: Right right, And I mean I didn't remember at all. Like,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I completely forgot about the speed dating,

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Speaker 1: So that's the people who are like, we're not going

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Speaker 1: so it is so much precursor of like swiping left

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Speaker 2: It's really just poor Man's Riah.

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Speaker 1: Definitely poor Man's Rayah. I love it so. But the

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Speaker 1: funny part is that you are face to face, which

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Speaker 2: Then you don't have to have that moment when you

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Speaker 2: use a picture from this decade.

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Speaker 1: Have you had that moment, Clark? Because I have not done.

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Speaker 2: It, and maybe some of it with me, I don't wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Well if people would know who you are, I

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Speaker 2: There's you know, if they if they get reruns, they've

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Speaker 1: So funny. So the thing that I love is that

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Speaker 1: and she's saying that she went to Harvard and she's

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Speaker 2: You know, they didn't they didn't make them even a

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Speaker 2: you think that's hot. I don't don't get this.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, it is a real thing. It

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Speaker 2: I think the stewardess thing they call them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I don't know stewardess.

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Speaker 2: Now people's heads whip around, like, what did you just say?

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Speaker 2: It's like a racial slur. You got to say flight attendant.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I guess that's true. And she does say

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my, we're so on top of it way

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, in my character work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you commitch.

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Speaker 2: No, he was. He was the whole thing about the athletes.

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Speaker 2: But that's just because oh I do that now. They

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Speaker 2: didn't have Google. I couldn't have even checked. See. This

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Speaker 1: That is so right. It's a different time. It's so interesting,

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Speaker 1: because there's some things that still ring so true. Like

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Speaker 1: I do think it rings true that men would not

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it depends on the man,

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Speaker 1: right definitely, if they would be into a Harvard educated lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I think there are some who would not be. But

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Speaker 1: then I think there are some who would be right.

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Speaker 1: Like there's some things that are still really, really really

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Speaker 1: true that we wrote about in nineteen ninety nine's last

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the logistics have changed, Like we

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Speaker 1: You couldn't really lie that much.

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Speaker 2: I presume that you're like me, Yeah, that you fly

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Speaker 2: a fair amount. Yes, And I certainly I remember when

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Speaker 2: what I would consider a kind of aggregate flight attendant,

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Speaker 2: what they would be like, and they're different now.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: They're different now, very true. And I look, there's so

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Speaker 2: into like you see those Sometimes it'll come up like

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Speaker 2: Heff's house and everybody's you know, and now it seems

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Speaker 2: Lose their minds upon a flight?

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Speaker 1: Horrible, horrible? Oh my goodness me. But yeah, the idea

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Speaker 1: because you could see she would like cut someone down

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Speaker 1: Her characterization of it all is adorable. When you went

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Speaker 2: Cindy just barely a little bit, I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and Dan Algrant directed, that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I knew Dan through. Some people are just

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Speaker 1: was he was good. He was calm and good. What

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Speaker 1: do you remember about, like, what was it like for

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Speaker 2: I mean, I hadn't done that much. I still hadn't

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Speaker 2: to do the same thing on this side now. But

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Speaker 2: I also, I don't know, I thought it was funny

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a funny bit. I do have

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Speaker 2: of the people who come up to me, there is

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Speaker 2: definitely a twink eyed, twinkly eyed person, often a woman

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, it landed for some people.

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Speaker 1: Oh definitely.

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Speaker 2: So I remember that, I remember it was kind of fun.

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Speaker 2: I just remembered it was kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: It was really fun. I mean, it's it's fun because

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Speaker 2: You know, well, you're going through a lot.

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Speaker 1: what a beautiful human thing that you would both feel

436
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,479
Speaker 1: like you had to lie, you know. I thought it

437
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 1: was so cute. You're never enough, No, I know, isn't

438
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 1: that sad that everyone feels that way. So when you

439
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 1: look back at this, because this a whole episode with

440
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 1: the exception of you, it's not very funny. It's like

441
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 1: pretty dramatic, which I hadn't really remembered.

442
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 2: I mean, there's that nasty fight between you and Samantha.

443
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,400
Speaker 1: I know that scared me. Watching that. I was like, wow,

444
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: I don't remember this. It was tense.

445
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 2: But also what's cool about it in terms, it's really

446
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 2: an episode that's all about telling the truth.

447
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 1: I know. It's so brilliant to it.

448
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: That's not in all of them, not in all of

449
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: any shows that I was like, well, they're really exploring

450
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: different themes about this.

451
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the third season is when our

452
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: writers really clicked in and we're able to unify the

453
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: theme that beautifully and the thing in this particular one,

454
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 1: because sometimes the theme will be a little bit more

455
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: esoteric or whatever, you know, like I can't think of

456
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: one off the top of my head, but it won't

457
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: be shoes deep yeah, shoes, or a funky spunk or

458
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, something such like that. But in this one,

459
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: it is a deep, a deep theme that is, you know,

460
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: coursing throughout and you guys are a funny version of it,

461
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: and then both Carrie and Aiden's storyline and Charlotte and

462
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: Kyle's storyline, it's a much more deep, serious storyline about big,

463
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: big choices and you know, really revealing yourself to to

464
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: the person that you love and can you do that?

465
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 1: And should you do that? I guess in the in

466
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: the carry situation.

467
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: Because I and told me, I know, what do.

468
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: You think of that? Do you think she should have

469
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: told it?

470
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna get serious, I think. But also I

471
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: think it's this girl telling me this. I mean, like,

472
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: why is she doing that? She's like, there's a big

473
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 2: conversation to be had of right, why are you sabotaging

474
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: another thing? But I but if you tell the guy,

475
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: I mean, how's he gonna go? How can I trust you?

476
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: Of course? I mean it is interesting because I think

477
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: I think when I watched it, I am struck by

478
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: how incredibly good John Corbett and sar Jesca are together,

479
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: Like they're they're so amazingly connected, which is amazing because

480
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: she is also equally you know, connected, and has incredible

481
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: chemistry with Chris os so like it, and they are opposites,

482
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, in so many ways, the characters and also

483
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: the people kind of like the vibe or whatever is

484
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: so different, and she's so skillful in terms of the

485
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 1: you know, the depth and the reality that she brings

486
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: to those relationships. Obviously she's amazing. But I think that

487
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: she felt that their connection was so intense that she

488
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: could tell him that she did this and that they

489
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: would have a fight or whatever it was, and then

490
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: it would be okay, you know, but it's not. It's sad.

491
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: It's sad. He looks so crushed. Aiden I feel really

492
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: bad for him. But then obviously, you know, we know

493
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: what happens and whatever. But I also many things happen

494
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: that I don't even remember between now and then, but

495
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I thought like, and

496
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: I think when there's a voiceover where they say that

497
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: that my character that I'm thirty four, because I can

498
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: never remember how old were actually supposed to be in reality,

499
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: because I can't separate real life from the fictional life.

500
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: It seems when I look back on it. And I

501
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: don't know if this has to do with the innocence

502
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: of the time compared to now, I feel like we

503
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: seem younger. Do you know what I mean how so

504
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: like the kind of does it seem to you because

505
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: you were back and forth la New York living the

506
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: similar lives in a way, not to the characters necessarily,

507
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: but to like in New York whatever, like a New

508
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: York life, right, do you feel like it they seem young? Yeah?

509
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: Does it resonate with you like where you were in

510
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: your life?

511
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: I mean the dilemmas certainly, yeah. I mean you guys

512
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: were living your characters were living this kind of vary

513
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: to me very uptown, affluent life that was quite different.

514
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 2: That's true, right, a little more bohem But what about.

515
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: The relationship part? Like the stakes. I guess what I'm

516
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: saying is the steaks seems so high. I mean they're

517
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: high for Charlotte because Charlotte has this goal of getting married, right,

518
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: which is very different than my own goals. But like

519
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: the stakes are so high. But also I feel like

520
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: the innocence is like I feel like now people are

521
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: more jaded or I don't know what the word is.

522
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there is for it being kind of very

523
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: sex forward, sex positive. It does feel like there's an

524
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: innocence compared to now where perhaps be community for ghost

525
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: Let's go let's go in. Yeah, perhaps because of apps, yeah,

526
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: and the various permutations of those, and but also the

527
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: culture where there is this form of autonomy that should

528
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: be there. Ye. At the same time, it's made for

529
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: people like, well, this is what I'm into, this is

530
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: my transaction. I identify as ethically non monogamous, and right what right? What? Okay?

531
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: Is that? Like Polly what else? And are you your

532
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: buy You're you're this kind of buyer that I mean,

533
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: it's just there's so much awareness that feels healthy in

534
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: many ways, But at the same time, it feels like

535
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: some of the innocents, some of the mystery, right.

536
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: Right, right, that's that's well put, that's well put. I

537
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: think also like I think a lot of it is COVID, right,

538
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: because we went through this crazy time so young people,

539
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: you know how what happened with their development of of dating?

540
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know. The

541
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: thing about Michael Patrick and Darren that was interesting was

542
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: you know this the whole show was the show was

543
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: Darren's idea based on Candace Bushnell's book. Right, So Candace

544
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: Bushnell was carried Oh no way, Yeah, I hadn't bet

545
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: her before I'm sure. I'm sure she was fun. She's

546
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: really fun, but she obviously had been living this life herself.

547
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, this was what she was cataloging.

548
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: In her right, right.

549
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: But it's actually it's important to talk about because I

550
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: think for a long time for us, what would happen?

551
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: People forget that there was a lot of negative about

552
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: the show in the beginning, right, like, who do these

553
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: women think they are? You know, how dare they? You know,

554
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: women don't talk like this, Like there was a lot

555
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: of kind of you know, sexist, vile things said at

556
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: us and to us and about us in the beginning,

557
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: especially you know.

558
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: Better than I, but I certainly, I mean this is

559
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: only season three.

560
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: Right, exactly? Yeah?

561
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: How many were there in the original.

562
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: Well six and a half?

563
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: Because I remember, I mean a year and a half

564
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 2: after this, I am in bed with a baby on

565
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: my chest with my then wife. Yeah, and she's making

566
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: us watch it every week. I don't know, it's time

567
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: for this. Shut up.

568
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: I love it.

569
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm okay, okay, I'll hold the kid.

570
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: You know what. People at the time and this is

571
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: again a little bit off, but I enjoy it. At

572
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: the time, a lot of new mothers would come up

573
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: to us on the street and say like, you're getting

574
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: me through, You're getting me through. And at the time,

575
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: I'd be like, that is such an interesting thing because

576
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily think that, like, you have a newborn,

577
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch single, single ladies. But now that

578
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: I've had kids, I understand because you're kind kind of

579
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: being enclosed. You're somewhat trapped in the newborn experience right

580
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: like you can't you're not living your life in the

581
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: same way. It's a very big change. So I think

582
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: it was like an outlet, like a like a fun

583
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, like how it used to be type thing,

584
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: because even if everything's going great, you're like you're you're

585
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: you're just with that baby.

586
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: All you're watching a form of freedom that you not

587
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: have and will not for a while.

588
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: Beautifully seven and fourteen, Yes, and you're twenty three.

589
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she moved here about it four three

590
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: months ago. I'm so happy, fantastic.

591
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want mine to leave. Sometimes my mind

592
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: says that my fourteen is She's like, I'm not I'm

593
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: not going to go anywhere, And I'm like, that's cool, baby,

594
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to. You don't have to UCLA is

595
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: right down the road exactly. But we'll see, we'll see.

596
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: I know I'm supposed to let her, let her go,

597
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe not it happened. When it happens

598
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: right right, right, it'll it'll go the way it's going

599
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: to go. Him, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure

600
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: he's going to want to go. But you know he's

601
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: only seven. So but wait, back to way. What was

602
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I saying was something about about network? Yes, yes, yes, yes,

603
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: And I didn't really ever get that before before I

604
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: had the kids, and then I was like, oh, yeah, no,

605
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: I totally get it because you're home and you need

606
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: something fun to watch and you need to feel that freedomly,

607
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: You're right, that's what it is, the freedom of the choices,

608
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's one thing I love about our

609
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: characters when you watch it because some of these things

610
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't really remember. What I wanted to say was

611
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: the man thing. So what would happen when people would

612
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: get angry about our show, right and they would feel like,

613
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: well that I've got to tear that show down. One

614
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: of the ways that they would try to tear it

615
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: down would be to say they're not really women they're

616
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: gay men dressed as women because it's written by these

617
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: two gay guys, which was so unfair and messed up.

618
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: Oh it's so unfair, right, And.

619
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like anytime women kind of own their.

620
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: Sexuality exactly, they have to find some thing to take

621
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: it away or whatever. But also it's like saying that

622
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: gay men can't write women. What is that about? Like,

623
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, no one said William Shakespeare can't write women.

624
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean maybe some crazy person, but you know what

625
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying. People can write other human experiences. This is

626
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: the joy of what we do. You know, you don't

627
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: have to be exactly the thing.

628
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: But also the women that were written were connected with

629
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: millions and millions of women.

630
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely. People don't say that now, thank god, though they

631
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: do occasionally people will say, oh, I thought gay men

632
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: wrote that show, And I'll be like, well, can I

633
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: just show you the list of our female writers. You know,

634
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: it's long. We have a lot of amazing female writers.

635
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: But also who cares? You know, like who cares? It's

636
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: an interesting thing how how they'll try to undercut you.

637
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: You know, that's not what it sounds like, I know,

638
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: not at all.

639
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: It just reminded me of it. It reminded me of

640
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: it because I do think when I watch it, there

641
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: are moments with Samantha where I think, first of all,

642
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: like she is such a powerful, powerful character because we

643
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: have not seen her before, and really kind of since

644
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen her, I mean maybe in

645
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: reality TV. I don't really watch reality TV so much.

646
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: But the the you know, energy that she has, the

647
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: like the way that she embraces her sexuality, the complete unapologetic,

648
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, way that she lives her life is so

649
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: unusual and different. And I can see in some ways

650
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: that you know, that was a very like a loud

651
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: statement made by by Darren and Michael Patrick. In some ways,

652
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: that's yeah, necessary an interesting one because it's interesting. She's

653
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: so like even you know, she gets sad and she

654
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: has all the different feelings this this episode she's she's fine,

655
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: though it is really interesting when I have that fight

656
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: with her, Charlotte and she have that fight and fear away.

657
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: I hadn't remembered that. I hadn't remembered that at all.

658
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: But I also think it's so realistic, like people get

659
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: so stressed about their weddings, you know, and just like

660
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: like lash out at people. And I think also there

661
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: was so much stress about I've said this before, and

662
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: there were weird headlines about it, But like, Charlotte is Charlotte,

663
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: and she wants the big, fluffy wedding gown and she

664
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: wants everyone to be wearing these identical dresses. And there

665
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: was a lot of stress for Pat Field, our costume designer,

666
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of debate about whether.

667
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: Oh god, it was Pat Field.

668
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: Yes, remember Pat.

669
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 2: I love her.

670
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: I know she's incredible. She's incredible, and I'm happy that

671
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: they ended up in their baige dresses. And I love

672
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: how sar Jessica styled hers with the little tartan you

673
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: know belt, because that is a very carey thing to do.

674
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: But I think there was some debate that maybe they

675
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't all be dressed the same, that that's not true

676
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: to their character. So I think that made its way

677
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: into that scene. And Samantha is saying, my hem should

678
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: be shorter, shouldn't I look amazing? And me saying, oh,

679
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: if I have to be a bridesmaid. She says, if

680
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: I have to be a bridesmaid, shouldn't I look amazing?

681
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: And I say, well, you don't have to be a bridesmaid,

682
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: which is really pretty bold of Charlotte to say. Also,

683
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: and then she says something like, well, I thought you

684
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: wanted me to be, and I said, no, I just

685
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave you out, which is like kind

686
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: of cutting, you know, like ouch.

687
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: But but but because at the same time, you get

688
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: why you might want to cut her out, because the

689
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: why do you got to be the hot bridesmaid is

690
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: being a bridesmaid's dresses.

691
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: No, you're going to try to We're going to try

692
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: to make everybody look a little frumpier so mama can shine.

693
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, Clark. I see, I don't really

694
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: it's funny too, Like I didn't really realize that so

695
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: much until my friends started getting married, you know what

696
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I didn't really I thought everyone wanted

697
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: to look great or whatever. But then I realized, like, no,

698
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: you're you're you're technically you're in a support role and

699
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: you need to know that when you're a bridesmaid, you're

700
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: in a supporting role. That's important, you know, but sometimes challenging. Okay,

701
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Carrie and Aiden a little bit.

702
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: And the big thing I hadn't really remember this that

703
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: it was this in depth, But I like, what do

704
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: you think of Aiden as a guy?

705
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: You know, oh, appealing in this? And you didn't know

706
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: I didn't.

707
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

708
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: He's really into her.

709
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

710
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: He seems to have an interesting kind of muted like

711
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 2: not mud, it's not the right term. A gentle form

712
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: of masculinity.

713
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Yep, you know, he's kind of.

714
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: He's talking about the kinds of trees and the way

715
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: that they complement each other. I'm like, listen, if you

716
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: could find somebody like this on a dating app, you

717
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: would you would check out of the game.

718
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: That's what I thought you.

719
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: Want? Or do you want the kind of like slightly

720
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: slutty bad guy in Big?

721
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean, is Big slightly slutty? That's super interesting. I

722
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: had never thought of him that way. I would describe

723
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: Big as a slightly withholding or very withholding, a bad

724
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: guy or power power or whatever he's Why.

725
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: Is he being withholding because he's working some other angles?

726
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

727
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I love to hear the man's.

728
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Listen, It's true.

729
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: You were right, you were right that whole time he

730
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: was holding.

731
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: Really it was like a finance bro and I think

732
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: of them possibly in an acquisition any kind of yes,

733
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: why not? Why is he not locking that down?

734
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: Right?

735
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: This is good? This is very good. This is why

736
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: we need the men to come on the podcast. Okay,

737
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: we need to cut through it, all right, we need

738
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: to cut through it so when you're watching Aiden, because

739
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: I also had forgotten and because I know Corbett and

740
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: Corbett is not like he obviously he's bringing all that

741
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: to it, but like he I wouldn't describe Corbett as

742
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: a soft masculinity. He's like super masculine, you know, Like

743
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: have you ever met Corbett?

744
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: I don't think I have.

745
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a character and like a one of

746
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: a kind in the visual, but very I would describe

747
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: him as more you know, like straight up masculine, masculine, masculine,

748
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like he's he's also really we're.

749
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 2: Talking about the moment where she drops the bomb on him,

750
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: and there's so many ways to react to that. Yeah,

751
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 2: And it's such a primal wound whether one likes. Because

752
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: you know, you walk around as a male and you

753
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: have several brains in there. One of them that is

754
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: in charge way more than you want it to be

755
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: is about eighty million years old, and it has reactions

756
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: to things like that that don't make any sense to you,

757
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: but they completely take over the ship. Yeah, and I

758
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: don't know. There just was a way where he just

759
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: and I think it was some of the writing leaned

760
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: into this kind of like just really, wow, you've really

761
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 2: really I don't have to say it really hurts.

762
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: I know it was so good. I thought it was

763
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: so good.

764
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: That's what I mean by the kinder.

765
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, oh, I know what you mean exactly. No, No, No,

766
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't know none of those. No, I'm not I'm

767
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: not disagreeing in any way. I just think it's interesting

768
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: because John isn't that way himself. Right, So he's really

769
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: doing a great job, you know with what was written, right, ye,

770
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: Like he's really uh deepening it and it's so sad,

771
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: like you feel so sad for Aiden, But then I

772
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: also felt I felt, I also really was. I was

773
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: so torn because I do feel for Carrie. Like here

774
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: she's got this amazing thing. She's of course messed up

775
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: by cheating with Big, but she wants it to work out,

776
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: which is why she tells him because she doesn't want

777
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: to have the lie. She can't sleep at night because

778
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: she has the lies. She's out there smoking on the stoop. Right,

779
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: you can't really live like that, you know, like like

780
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: it's it's taking over her her mind. It's like in

781
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: between them even, you know, because because she hasn't told them, right,

782
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: like it's living there in her, in her vision, it's

783
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 1: living there like I did this. I don't deserve of him,

784
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: you know, basically, which I felt for No, did you no? You?

785
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: No? Well no, I agree with everything you're saying. I guess,

786
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at it from a present day lens,

787
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: and I thought there's so many deep personality red flags.

788
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I know it's a fun, loving, promiscuous show.

789
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: But if you like this guy and you went and

790
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: had an affair for three weeks, to me, the conversation

791
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: should be very different. But that's very of this moment, Like, Okay,

792
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: we have to talk because I've done something horrible. I

793
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: don't understand what happened. It's not okay with me. I

794
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: don't blame you if you never you know what I mean. Like,

795
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: I think the conversation is, what the hell is wrong

796
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: with me that I would do this to somebody? I

797
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: think it came off a little. I got to tell

798
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: you this thing that happened. It's not like you didn't

799
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: trip over a pothole and land on a naked guy.

800
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: You did it for three weeks.

801
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: It's so true.

802
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: It's true, moral judgment, it's just right.

803
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: No, she doesn't present it well ly.

804
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: You have no respect for me or this relationship, or

805
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have done it, yike.

806
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I understand. I mean I think it's

807
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: an interesting thing.

808
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe that's my dad. I still carry those kind

809
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: of moral hard lines.

810
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: I think. But but I mean I get what you're

811
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: saying exactly. And I think part of the thing about

812
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: Carrie which is interesting is that on the one hand,

813
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: she is this seeker and she's writing this column about

814
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder this, and I wonder that that's true.

815
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: He's getting with he's getting with the sex columnists, and like,

816
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: you're never going to believe this, but I slept with

817
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: somebody else for three weeks. It's like, this is what

818
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: my friend said would.

819
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: Happen, which is probably true. But the thing that's great

820
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: about Aiden, and the reason they're interesting together, is that

821
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: he's kind of not New York like sometimes you don't

822
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: even know if he understands what she does, do you

823
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like he's he's not of her.

824
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: Work beat cut and he is.

825
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we have an episode where they're going to

826
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: go to the country, coming right, they go to the country.

827
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: I gotta go, I gotta watch the show again.

828
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly, clearly, clearly, you've got to watch the whole thing.

829
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: But you know that he's but he's so you know,

830
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: he's disarming because of that, right, because he's not of

831
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: her world, whereas Big was very much of her world.

832
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: But yet she doesn't like she's not she's not worked out.

833
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: And so there's been a lot of conversation about Carrie

834
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: since the show ended about you know, she's a narcissist,

835
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: she's this that, blah blah blah. But I mean, obviously

836
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have had a show if she was worked out.

837
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: You can't write about about.

838
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: People who nobody wants to see a show about happy

839
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: people enjoying life now.

840
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: And also like who is that happy all the time anyway? Right,

841
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: Like all of us have areas of not being worked

842
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: out at some point, not all the time. I am.

843
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: I think my general vibe, like my general energy is happy,

844
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: but like I have my you know, we I'm.

845
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: My dark day. Do you have a dark day?

846
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: Definitely? I might try to hide it, you know what

847
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. No, no, you know, like I probably wouldn't

848
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: like come here and be like I'm having a bad

849
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: day on my podcast.

850
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: I think people think I'm People are like, I just

851
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: love how you're always smiling, and I'm like, what the

852
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: talking about? I'm a dark, tortured being. Are you crazy?

853
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: That's interesting? But I do think of you as being

854
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: like kind of nice and easy going. Is that not true? Inside? Wow? Interesting?

855
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: I have a certain amount of Yeah, me too, I

856
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: have a certain amount of I enjoy humans, I enjoy

857
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: existing in the world. But I definitely wake up in

858
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: the middle of the night, like on the ninth Circle.

859
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: Of Hell, Me too, Me too.

860
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: I've been wondering this lately, like why is it so

861
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: dark in here in the middle of the night, like

862
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: things are good?

863
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I might. I'm just gonna say what

864
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: I tell myself in the middle of the night when

865
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: I wake up, because I do wake up pretty frequently,

866
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: and there'll be some particular little my new show on

867
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: my mind. But what I think is the collective, like

868
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: we're just living through some crazy times.

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00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: What do you mean.

870
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: We're not going to go into it because that's not

871
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: my podcast, but you know what I mean, it's it's

872
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: hard not to be affected by.

873
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: It, you know.

874
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you about your new show, because

875
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: first of all, I need to understand what network or

876
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. It's on. Explain.

877
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it you fast.

878
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: Okay.

879
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: There's a terrific producer in La been around for a while,

880
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: Hillary Shore.

881
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody loves her.

882
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's really fantastic, really good. I think she

883
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: would not mind when I say she's one of the

884
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: great broads amazing all time. And she and this wonderful

885
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: guy who I didn't know, Aaron Rappaport, a guy here.

886
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 2: They it's like it's like the first year of Sun

887
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: Dance in a way. Wow, they formed an indie.

888
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: Streamer, what an indust.

889
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: Downloaded an indie streamer called the Now Oh my god,

890
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: just downloaded onto your Apple TV. And what they chose

891
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: to make. They have another show, I think they maybe,

892
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: But they've made a period drama about a murder, a

893
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: couple of murders in the gilded age Stanford White, who

894
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: was murdered by a guy named Harry Thaw in a

895
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: fit of jealous rage over his seventeen year old wife,

896
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: Evelyn Nesbit, played by this wonderful young seventeen year old actress.

897
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: She might have been fifteen. The real girl, Eva Andersoner's

898
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: mom is Milla Jovivich and who yoah, shocking, but it's

899
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 2: many petek and Janet McTeer and Patty and Asia and

900
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: Danny Houston and for a shoe string. They made this

901
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: period piece set in nineteen oh five ish New York

902
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: and it's quite good. Oh.

903
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see.

904
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: How they pulled it off. So that's that is exciting.

905
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: What I'm here to get people to do is to

906
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: try to among the very important topics for Unpacking Network

907
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: and watch this thing because it's not Netflix.

908
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: So they need people to This is amazing.

909
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: It's an artist driven thing, great, the United Artists type thing,

910
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: Like I'm going to go and talk to them next

911
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: week about a show I want to try to make

912
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: with them, because this isn't great. If we could take

913
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: it over ourselves, we would maybe not get so screwed

914
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: in the negotiations.

915
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: Definitely also like the consolidation situation in our industry is

916
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: so at such a crazy, crazy level, and we've got

917
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: to create new things so that everything isn't going to

918
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: be glombed into one thing.

919
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: You know.

920
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's crazy town. So I'm so excited to

921
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: hear that, and I will download it and I will

922
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: watch it because I'm excited. I'm excited to support always

923
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: very exciting. Got to support the indie, any indie anything, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

924
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: Well you've been incredible. I'm going to ask you one

925
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: slightly crazy question. Are you ready scared?

926
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: Little Clark?

927
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: Are you a Charlotte?

928
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: I really want to be.

929
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: That's a very sweet answer, But what do you think

930
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: you really are? You can be honest, it's cool.

931
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: Do you name which one of the people you.

932
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: Will if you want to? You can be a part

933
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: of different ones. If you don't say Miranda, I'm going

934
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: to be shocked a little bit of Miranda.

935
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: Come on, I don't feel like I don't feel that.

936
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, okay.

937
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: You don't feel that.

938
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't feel Miranda.

939
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: I feel more, I mean, honestly of you. You're gonna

940
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: have to bill me and we're gonna have to go

941
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: for another fifty minutes. But I feel like I live

942
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: as a duality in that I have at least two

943
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: of them.

944
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: That's okay, waiting at all, which to which.

945
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: To Charlotte, Okay, I think of Charlotte as softer, good girl,

946
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 2: confused by some of her darker, naughty impulses. Yes, well,

947
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: put perhaps I'm not sure.

948
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, it's.

949
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: Been a little bit too analytical and in her head

950
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: too much, as I would kind of say Carrie. Yes,

951
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: and there's always the specter of my nineteen eighties Samantha

952
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: on my shoulders.

953
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: Love it, love it. That's great, that's great. I also

954
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: am m part Charlotte park Caerrey. I don't really, I

955
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: don't know that I have a Samantha. I probably should

956
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: want to have a Samantha, but I'm definitely half and half,

957
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: so I really there were the same Love it, love it.

958
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, Thanks so much for

959
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: having me. It's so fun.

960
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 2: I wish I had another episode so I could come back.

961
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: I know, I know, that's what I mean. We should

962
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: have kept you longer.

963
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: I'll come back and talk about one. It's Slattery's episodes.

964
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: Oh fantastic, when you see slattery, tell him he needs

965
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: to come talk to me.

966
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh it's the next call I make.

967
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: Yay, thank you so much, and anyone else on that

968
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: text chain, okay, because we love to have to look

969
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: up that article I want to see.

970
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: You have to make a part of your thing because

971
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: you have to be like, how does it feel to

972
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: be number twenty seven out of thirty?

973
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: That hurts? That hurts just to feel it, just just

974
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: to think about it.

975
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: There was a lot of trash talk on the text threat.

976
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: Oh I bet it was. Where was Bobby?

977
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

978
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: Funny it's so funny because he plays funky spunk and

979
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm just dying to ask him how embarrassing that was.

980
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever asked in that and we

981
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: worked together after the fact, but I don't think I

982
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: didn't have my podcast you know self yet right where

983
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: I interviewed people. How did you feel being mister funky Spunk?

984
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: I mean, what a surreal thing? You know what I mean?

985
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, we've had so many great actors and this always.

986
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 2: I guess I should feel really good that I didn't

987
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: walk out of there with a name like that.

988
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: I think so I think you got to.

989
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: Agree people calling out character names when I'm walking down

990
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: the street, I don't need any funky spunk like I know.

991
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how am I going.

992
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: To explain that to the woman I'm on a date

993
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 2: with right now?

994
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know.

995
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: That's why I'm dying to get Bobby. I'm dying to

996
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: get Bobby someday. So I do have this other thing

997
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: where like, at any time, they can come and I'll

998
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: just do like a little side episode with them, because

999
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: people love to see you guys if you see them in.

1000
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: A restaurant, just like, listen you mind, if we just.

1001
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: Do oh I will, I'll just be like, here's my phone,

1002
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: talking to the phone, talking to the phone. Then I'm

1003
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: going to just be a menace and everyone's going to

1004
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: be like avoid Kristen Davis, but hopefully not. Thank you

1005
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: for coming, mister Joey. Yes, me too, me too. Don't

1006
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: freeze out there. Okay, okay, good, have a great day.

1007
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: By There are some things that we didn't talk about,

1008
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: So I'm going to continue my recap. You guys join

1009
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: me on, are you a Charlotte. We'll recap some more

1010
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: of the fantastic episode don't ask, don't talk