1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number fifty 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: two to In the show, we're discussing hunting gear and 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: all the gizmos gadgetson products we love, use and abuse. 7 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. And 8 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: today we're finally doing a gear episode. And we've gotten 9 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: a lot of emails and message is over the past 10 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: year asking for us to dive deep into the gear 11 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: we use. So today, finally we're going to do that, 12 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's gonna be a pretty interesting chat. 13 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: But before we get into all that, it's been a 14 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: little while, Dan, what's going on? Well, my baby is 15 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: getting ready to explode from my wife's body like in 16 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: the movie Aliens, but not really, but she is due 17 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: just about like any second. I have my phone in 18 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: front of me, so there could be a phone call 19 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: coming in to where it's like I'm going to hospital. 20 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: Get there. Wow, how crazy would that be if that 21 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: happened on there? If that happens, will you just keep 22 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: the phone on recording on the whole drive to the 23 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: hospital and maybe right into the room. Can you do 24 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: that first, I'll go remote with it. I'll talk about 25 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: We'll probably be talking about tree stands while the doctor's 26 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: yelling push in the background. That'll be uh, some some 27 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: pretty special audio footage right there. I'd just be like, 28 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: can you guys keep it down. I'm recording a podcast. 29 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: I gotta get this, gotta get this. That's funny. But 30 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: stuff's going well with that? She uh feeling all right? 31 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: Or she just she's done, she's been done. She hates me. Um, 32 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: she hates pretty much everything, and she's very uncomfortable. Um. 33 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: My wife is notorious for having a short fuse anyway, 34 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: but now she has no fuse. So most of my 35 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: time has just spent not talking, like poking my head 36 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: around the corner first before I enter a room. Oh man, 37 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: So this is like a nice little therapy session for you. 38 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: You can talk and no one's gonna jump on you 39 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah. I'm here for you, Dan, Thanks man. 40 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: But I don't think our listeners want to hear me 41 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: complain about my marital my my marriage and how how 42 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: difficult it is is. In the last week of a pregnancy, 43 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: I suppose not onto onto funner topics, right exactly. Now, 44 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: wait a second, speaking of fun topics, you went to 45 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: Montana and you didn't take me with you. Yeah, sorry 46 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: about that. I was in Mantana, yeah, for the last week. 47 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: That's why you know we didn't have the episode last week. Um, 48 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: because I was taking my first vacation since last July, 49 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: I think. So that was nice. I had a little 50 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: bit of business out there, and we used that as 51 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: an excuse to, uh, for me and the wife to 52 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: spend some time in the mountains. So yeah, I had 53 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: quite a quite a trip, kind of all over the 54 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: western part of the state. Hit like five or six 55 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: different mountain ranges. Went to Glacier National Park, went to 56 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: Yellowstone National Park, went to the bitter Roots, Selway National Forest, 57 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: the Flathead National Forest, the Gallant and National Forest, the 58 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: Low Low Lant National Forest. So you went over in Idaho. No, No, 59 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: all those all those were within Montana. Okay, I got you, Um, 60 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: but some of them, some of those national forests extend 61 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: between both states. Um. But yeah, it was awesome, beautiful country, 62 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: lots of fresh air, lots of wildlife. It was good 63 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: to just kind of revitalize myself with some good old 64 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: fashioned wilderness. So unplug a bit exactly. But you know, 65 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: after I am plugged, now when I get back to 66 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: the computer, it's kind of overwhelming all this stuff I 67 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: have to catch up on. But uh, but it's all good. 68 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: It's all good. I had a you know, I've been 69 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: I do a lot of I spend a lot of 70 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: time out well for for Eastern or Midwestern, I spend 71 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: a pretty good amount of time out West. I usually 72 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: go out to the mountains a couple of times a year, 73 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: as you know. UM. But over all those travels, I 74 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: still haven't had an encounter with a grizzly bear. And 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: I always joke with my wife that that's like the 76 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: one thing on my bucket list I still really want, um, 77 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: is to have some kind of you know, safe encounter 78 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: with a grizzly Um. Well, this time we came well, 79 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: I'll just I'll tell a really quick story here. So 80 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: we decided to take this hike UM in this area 81 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: just north of Yellowstone National Parks. This is in Montana, 82 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: north of the National Park, on some national forest land, 83 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: and it's just this basin that goes deep into the 84 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: mountains and it was just this past Monday, so you know, 85 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: a weekday. It's early in the season, so there's not 86 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: any really almost any tourists. It's really slow, um. So 87 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: it's really nice and not a lot of people. Um. 88 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: So we drive this dirt road way way way, way 89 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: way back to get to this National Forest access point. 90 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: Um and we saw three moose right at the spot 91 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: where we parked our car, so that was really cool. 92 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: And as we're walking down them, there's actually a road closer. 93 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: So we had to walk down a dirt road through 94 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: this old ranch essentially to get to the National Forest. UM. 95 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: So on this dirt road, there's tracks from probably a 96 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: few days, maybe three or four days before, when the 97 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: road was wet. There's been a big snow, big snowstorm 98 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: the first day we got there. Um, after that snow melted, 99 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, there was the wet spots on the road 100 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: and so there's all sorts of tracks in the road, 101 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: relatively fresh. And we came across some just huge grizzly 102 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: tracks walking right down the middle of the road. So 103 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: that was kind of cool, just like, yeah, there was 104 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: a grizzly here you know, a few days ago. It's 105 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: pretty cool seeing that. Um, it made it kind of 106 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: feel you know, real real western for a little bit. This. 107 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: So we're walking along and kind of we're talking about 108 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I got all kind of geeked out about it. Um. 109 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: And then we sat, I had some lunch, blah blah, 110 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: and eventually a side turnaround come back because we had 111 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: other plans for the rest of the evening. And as 112 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: we walked back on the back of all that same 113 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: road again, we come through this little section where there's 114 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: kind of a rocky strewn hillside to the right side 115 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: of what's just this old dirt road that it's not 116 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: accessible by vehicles. You can only walk are right now, um, 117 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: and there's rocks all across the road. Now where before 118 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: when we'd walked by there like an hour before, half 119 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: hour before, there was nothing. Now there's a whole bunch 120 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: of rocks all over. I'm like, what happened here? And 121 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: as we walk up and I'm looking around, immediately you 122 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: just see just had happened, fresh grizzly tracks in the 123 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: dust all around the road right where we had walked through. 124 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: So sometime, you know, within an hour or a half 125 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: hour of us walking through, their grizzly had came down 126 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: across that road, kind of milled about where we've been walking, 127 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: and then headed back back up into the woods. Um 128 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: so that was my closest call I've had with a 129 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: grizzly Now I still haven't seen one, but I had 130 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: one walk near to me or near where I was 131 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: at one point recently. So that was my cool thing there. 132 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: I guess, Well, that's pretty neat Mark. I'm glad you 133 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: didn't get eaten by a grizzly bear. Me too, Me too. 134 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: It would have been a real I was wondering about that. 135 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: What would happen like if I get eight by grizzly bear? 136 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: If I fell up on the mountains? You know what 137 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: would happen to Wire to Hunt? What happens this podcast? 138 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: But one day you'd find out I was dead and 139 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: you'd have to figure out how to post an episode 140 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: to at least close things out and say, well, Mark's dead, 141 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: this is the last episode. Uh he got eight by 142 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: bear and I was how would Dan figure that out? 143 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: Would you be what do you know how to post it? 144 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: Would would just post on the Facebook page and say sorry, 145 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: we're all done. Well. I really don't know what I 146 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: would do with Wired to Hunt but I know that 147 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: it would probably take a complete degree turn. I would 148 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: probably drive it right into the ground, and and then 149 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, all your viewers would go someplace else and 150 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: then finally it probably just fizzle out and fade away. 151 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: But but so so do me a favor and just 152 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: bring bear spray every time you go out into the 153 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: woods so you don't get so you don't so I 154 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about all that stuff. Good, good, 155 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: good plan. I'm glad that that's why I've got wired hunt, 156 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: willed to my wife to continue on or figure out 157 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: what to do it. Okay, all right, oh man, so yeah, 158 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: I survived Montana, no bear attacks. I always make sure 159 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: that bear spray with me, and we just are gonna 160 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: avoid you. Taking the war Hunt podcast from from I 161 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: think the podcast, like the recording I can do. But 162 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: like I don't know all this, all the stuff where 163 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: you need a professional in place, like a person who 164 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: is a professional like I probably swear too much, you know. 165 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: Just just imagine me working for the National Deer Alliance. 166 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: You can't have someone in your position saying in the 167 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: F word, you know, and addressing the deer hunting community. No, yeah, yeah, 168 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm speechless. I don't I don't know what to say 169 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: to that, but yes, I agree with you. So so yeah, 170 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: Montana is good. Your wife's gonna have a baby, and 171 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about gear today, talking gear, and soon we'll 172 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: probably be talking turkeys because I'm about to start turkey 173 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: hunting tomorrow morning, so I'm excited about that. But but 174 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: for now, I think we should talk about the gear 175 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: we use. I know you'd like talking about gear, and 176 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: I like talking about gear, and most people, I think 177 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: a lot of hunters in general, we just kind of 178 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: geek out about gear, don't you think. Yeah, I think 179 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where no matter what, Like 180 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: golfers love talking about golf stuff. You know, if you're 181 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: into football, or if you're into any other type of sport, 182 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: you love talking about that kind of stuff. I mean, 183 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: my brother is a Star Wars nerd, so he loves 184 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: talking about Star Wars. You know, just like all that, 185 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: if if you love something, you love to talk about 186 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: it and all the things that go along with it. 187 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: So you know, for hunters, it's the same way, very true, 188 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: very true. So I think with that being so true today, 189 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: it makes sense that hopefully this will be an interesting 190 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: episode everyone at least and for whatever it's worth. I 191 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: thought you and me could share the different types of 192 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: gear we use and maybe some thoughts about why we 193 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: use it, why we like some things, why we don't 194 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: like some things. Um, you know, we can kind of 195 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: walk through all the different things we currently use, maybe 196 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: a few products that we've used in the past that 197 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: we don't like, um, and we can just kind of 198 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: see where things go that. But in the end, hopefully 199 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: there'll be some um you know, I'm sure we'll share 200 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: some recommendations that maybe our listeners can take if they're 201 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: interested or looking for something along those lines or though 202 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, just hear us ramble on about what we 203 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: like and what we don't like, which I guess is 204 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: kind of like what every podcast usually is. Hopefully will 205 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: be helpful. Um. So I think, you know, I planned, 206 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: Daniels Keith is pretty loose. Just we could kind of 207 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: walk down the list of just like you know, different 208 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: categories of gear, and you can tell me what you use, 209 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: and I can talk about what I use, and then 210 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: we can just you know, argue about it as we 211 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: see fit. It's not a good plan, hey, I'm telling 212 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: you right now, everybody. Everybody's going to be different. Everybody 213 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: has things that work for them. And uh, like I said, 214 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: I think that I'm I never used to be a 215 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: gear head, but now I'm that I'm getting deeper into it. 216 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: I find myself wanting to know more about uh specific products, 217 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: why they're designed, the way they're designed, and and I'm 218 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: I'm becoming that gear head. So yeah, it's easy to 219 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: become a gear head too. There's just it's a you 220 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: especially these days, more and more companies coming into the fold. 221 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: There's just a tremendous amount of innovation and new things 222 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: coming out, and so there's always just exciting new things 223 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: to learn about and see and to learn about them. 224 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: So that that said, though, before we get into this 225 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: talk and this is I think a separate cover maybe 226 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: maybe a conversation, you know, we can start right here, 227 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: but I think it has to be said, um, it's 228 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: talking about just in the hunting industry as a whole. 229 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: When it comes to gear it's always kind of shadowed 230 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: by sponsorships. Right If you if you watch any hunting 231 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: TV show, UM or or really any hunting media, there 232 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: are sponsorships attached to every piece of media where companies 233 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: are paying you know, XTV show or host or writer 234 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: or whatever it might be, to use their product or 235 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: to promote their product or whatever it might be. And 236 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: so these days, and you know, you see so and 237 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: so on TV talking about this bow, I would have 238 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: never killed this deer because you know, without this bow. 239 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: You know, these recommendations that we get from a lot 240 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: of guys now, you know, are kind of tainted, I 241 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: think because they're just getting paid to say that. Um, 242 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: and so you and me have both talked about the 243 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: frustrations of that sometimes where it's just kind of everything 244 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: is getting pimped all the time, and it just gets 245 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: a little overwhelming, right, And it's and it's one thing 246 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: where a really good product can can go unnoticed because 247 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: the marketing budgets of these other companies and you know, 248 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: these celebrities saying that the specific product is good, these 249 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: these new and innovative products can sometimes just go right 250 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: into the table and never be seen or never be used. Yeah, 251 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: that's so true. There's a lot of a lot to 252 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: be said about marketing. Yeah, um, and I guess I 253 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: kind of like that since I'm a marketing major. So yeah, 254 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: look at that, look at us now, um So, I 255 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: guess with with that all being the case, I wanted 256 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about my perspective on sponsorships 257 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: and how I've tried to approach it because you know, 258 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: as I think everybody knows, um, you know, Wired to 259 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: Hunt has has partners or sponsors, UM and I want 260 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about about that and be 261 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: transparent about it, and also make sure everyone understood what 262 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: those relationships look like and and mean, and what my 263 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: mindset has gone has been going into that process. Um. 264 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: It makes sure everyone understands that before we start talking 265 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: about gear, because inevitably I'm gonna be talking about some 266 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: products that are you know, related to my sponsors and 267 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: some that aren't. Um So he like I've said, you know, 268 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: it's really frustrating if you look at a lot of 269 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: the hunting media today just how kind of slamming it 270 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: all feels. So, you know that being the case, when 271 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: I started Wired to Hunt, I wanted to try to 272 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: do it a different way. I wanted to I wanted 273 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable and honest about talking about my partnerships 274 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: or sponsorships with my listeners or when my readers, UM 275 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: and so would that in the case, I need to 276 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: make sure I was partnering with the right companies, because 277 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: what I didn't want to ever have happened is, you know, 278 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: there's some company associated with me or wired Hunt, and 279 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: I had to say something about that company that I 280 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: didn't feel it was true. And then if I'm doing that, 281 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: if I'm not being honest with the audience, those people 282 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: who are reading my stuff, they have no reason to 283 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: trust anything I do ever again, so I knew I 284 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: couldn't do that. So would that be the case. I 285 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: don't I don't know even know if you knew this, Dan, 286 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: But when I started wired to Hunt, I did not 287 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: make a single dime from word hunt for over three years. Um. 288 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: I just ran it with no advertisements, no sponsorships, know 289 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: nothing for years and I, you know, as some people, 290 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: and I worked every single day posting new articles, new things, 291 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: and I grew the audience to a large enough size, 292 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, where I had people that wanted to advertise, 293 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: that wanted to sponsor, to want to do things. Um. 294 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: But what I decided is that I would not accept 295 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: any partnerships or sponsorships or advertisers until it was a 296 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: company that I actually had experience with or trust in 297 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: that I could feel really comfortable, you know, putting my 298 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: name behind him. UM. So it wasn't until like three 299 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: and a half years in that I finally had that, 300 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: um and that's what I've tried to that's what I 301 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: have done ever since. UM So, you know, with with 302 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: all of our current partners, um, every single one of them, 303 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: I have most of them, I've been using their products 304 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: for five, ten, fifteen years, even in some cases since 305 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: before we ever had any kind official relationship and anything 306 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: new in the future. The biggest thing for me is 307 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: that it has to be a product that I you know, 308 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: really truly do believe in and really truly use before 309 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: I'll ever associate it with wired hunt anyway. So that 310 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: all being the case, I do have partners on weird Hunt. 311 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: They do pay me, and they pay they pay Wired 312 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: to Hunt for that exposure. And so that everyone understands 313 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: this is what our partners get when they, you know, 314 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: agree to be a sponsor of wired Hunt. They get 315 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: ads on the site, which you guys, I'm sure you've 316 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: seen on the site, on the main home page, on 317 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: the individual blog post pages. They also get mentioned in 318 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: the podcast, and they get you know, if I'm using 319 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: any of the products, they get featured in our videos, 320 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: they get featured in photography and different things like that. 321 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: So basically product placement. By virtue of the the fact I 322 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: use their products, They're going to be seen and that's 323 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: helpful to their brand. UM. What I make very clear 324 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: to anyone that I'm working with is that they're not 325 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: paying me for a glowing um endorsement of everything they do, 326 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: of every product they have. UM. I can't do that 327 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: because I'm not just a TV so I'm not a 328 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: TV show host at all, but I'm also you know, 329 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: in the media, and I you know, part of the 330 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: value a have to bring is is critical you know, 331 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: journalism and looking at stuff honestly and talking about what's good, 332 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: what's bad, what's in different. UM. So I've meant it 333 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: very clear that when I talk about any of the the 334 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: products that I'm using, if that's from a partner, I'm 335 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: going to tell the honest opinion of what I think 336 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: about it. I use. Sure, some of these things I 337 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: use because they're given to me, and I'll be be 338 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: honest about that. Right. Some of these things are given 339 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: to me. Some of these things I've paid for. UM. 340 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: But I'm only going to use the things that I 341 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: really do trust that they really would be using even 342 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: if I didn't have a relationship with them. Um. And 343 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: so I guess I just want to make sure that 344 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: was like clear and open and everybody understood that. So 345 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: I'll talk about a lot of products and I'll explain 346 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: why I like them. Um. But you know, I'm never 347 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: going to tell you that you won't be able to 348 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: kill a big buck if you don't use this bow, 349 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: or if you don't use this camouflage, or if you 350 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: don't use this blind. There's lots of good options out there. Um. 351 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: These are options that have worked well for me and 352 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: that I believe in. But you know there might be 353 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: other options that work different and the work better for you. 354 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: It's all personal preference, I think. And Dan, you know 355 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: you and me we use different gear. We both are 356 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: gonna have just probably just as good of a chance 357 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: at the mature buck if we do certain things the 358 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: right way. UM. So I think a lot of this, 359 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: while you know there are some things that I think 360 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: are better than others. We're all gonna have our different opinions, 361 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: and UM, I guess that's why I want to have 362 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: this conversation, so we can talk all about that and 363 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: uh and dive into why and and what and how 364 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: and all these things that are always using pretty interesting. 365 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, and and like you said, man, I've seen 366 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: I've I've been in the quote unquote hunting industry, and 367 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: I hate saying that because it sounds so douche, but like, 368 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: but I've been, I've I've had exposure to it, and 369 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: I've seen the good and the bad side of what 370 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: you're talking about, and where people are flip flopping to 371 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: the highest bidder based on you know, what products gonna 372 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: gonna give them the most, even though the product may 373 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: be a piece of junk. They got a huge marketing budget. 374 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: They're gonna be able to pay this this top dog, 375 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: whoever it is, you know, a bigger amount of money 376 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: to use this particular product. And uh, then basically what 377 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: they do is, you know, they have you know, tons 378 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: of people who trust them and are going to purchase 379 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: this product even though it may not be the best. 380 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: So it's one of those things where we're gonna we're 381 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: gonna talk about our experiences today. You the listener need 382 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: to do your own research and find out what products 383 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: work best for you your hunting style and your scenarios 384 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: and and make your decisions based off that. Yeah. Absolutely, 385 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: And I think, um, I think that's the things that, 386 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: like you said, there's just so many examples out there 387 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: of people that, from you know, my perspective, have done 388 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: it in a way that doesn't seem to be the 389 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: best way. And so I think, you know what we're 390 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: gonna try to do here what I've what I've tried 391 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: to do here with the wire darners, to do things 392 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: the right way, be transparent about things, and share my 393 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: perspective and share your perspective. And so I say, let's 394 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: just get into it. Enough of this hob noven around it. 395 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,479 Speaker 1: Um let's talk some gear. What are we gonna talk 396 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: about first? I think let's let's start with tree stands, Dan, 397 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: what kind of tree stands do you like? Right now? 398 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: All my tree stands are lone wolf tree stands with 399 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: four climbing sticks. Lone wolf climbing sticks. I have used that. 400 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: I've also used muddy climbing sticks, and I've also used 401 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: muddy tree stands and they all seem to work really good. Um. 402 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: I've when I first started hunting, I was the cheapo 403 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: ladder stands that you can buy a Farm King, which 404 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: is a store in Iowa that buy like farm supplies 405 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: that for like sixty bucks, I'd buy a tree stand 406 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: and that's what I hunted with most of the most 407 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: of the time. And uh yeah, some of my Lone 408 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: Wolf's I've received for free. Some of them I've purchased myself. 409 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: But Lone Wolf just works for my kind of hunting style. 410 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: You know, we talked about running and gunning all the time, 411 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: and I'm a firm believer in that, and Lone Wolf 412 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: allows me to do that. I can walk into a timber, 413 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: I can set up the tree stand in under ten 414 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: minutes and and and be hunting and it it allows 415 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: me to be mobile. And that is the biggest reason 416 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: that I use those tree stands. So I think, like 417 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: the Lone Wolf assault, I think is what it's called 418 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: um or Alpha something or other. There's a couple of 419 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: them on the hang ons those are running like three 420 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: bucks or something like that. Is it worth Is it 421 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: worth that much money to get a single tree stand 422 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: like that? And why do you think so? If that's 423 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: the case, if you're and I'll tell you right now, 424 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: here's my here's my view on that if you're a 425 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: public land hunter and you only you don't feel comfortable 426 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: taking your tree stands or leaving your tree stands in 427 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: the tree, and you hunt, like I know a lot 428 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: of public hunters do, tear up, set down, tear up, 429 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: set down. I can see where that let's say three 430 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: mark may sound cheap at first, but the the mobility 431 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: that yeah, yeah, it sounds expensive, excuse me, But the 432 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: mobility that it's it offers and the time that you're 433 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: going to get out of that tree stand is going 434 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: to be worth it in the long run because you 435 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: are only gonna need really one of those stands. Now, 436 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: if you own your property or you leased property, I 437 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: can see where you you may not need a stand 438 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: that expensive because it's just gonna sit in the tree anyway, 439 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: and you're gonna use it as a permanent stand anyway. 440 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: There's other products out there that are very similar to 441 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: to that, and and even I've used combinations of my 442 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: muddy tree stand and my sticks like um, the company 443 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: Extreme Outdoor Products. It's actually the same guy who originally 444 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: decide Um designed the lone Wolf. Um he sold lone 445 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: Wolf and then he started up a new company with 446 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: his son called Extreme Outdoor Products. It's basically the same one, 447 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: same tree stand, it's a little cheaper. It's the only 448 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: difference is one Lone Wolf as American made and uh 449 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: I think XOP is made in China. I might have 450 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: to look into that. Um. I think Gorilla tree stay 451 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: have hang on and sticks that can do the same 452 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: thing for for a cheaper price tag. So there's there's 453 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: other there's other products out there that are similar. But 454 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: the reason that I like Lone Wolf so much is 455 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: there's the way their sticks can stack and tighten to 456 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: the tree stand without because that's what they were designed 457 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: to do. So you can tie them, you know, tie 458 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: them real tight and it makes no noise if you 459 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: do it right. Plus not I've got the new stick quiver, right, 460 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: Do have you seen that? Yeah, I've I've seen that 461 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: and I personally haven't used it yet. But from I 462 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: think from a designs perspective, you have to take you 463 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: have to take that that quiver off the tree if 464 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: you want to set the tree stand up off the 465 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: tree stand, excuse me, off the tree stand. If you 466 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: want to set the tree stand up in the tree. 467 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: So that's two extra parts that you're gonna have to 468 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: take off the tree stand and and and then there's 469 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: the question is it going to make noise when it 470 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: comes out? Is it gonna when you snap it in 471 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: or take it out? Does it make noise when you 472 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: take off those quivers on the back side of the 473 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: stand before you set the tree stand up? Does that 474 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: make noise? Because the whole selling point of a Lone 475 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: Wolf tree stand or any hang on stand is it's 476 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: got to be quiet when you're setting it up, especially 477 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: if you're running and gunning. Yeah, yeah, Um, you know 478 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: what about you? Yeah, I think I hate to say it, 479 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: but I'm going to have to agree with you. Dan. 480 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: It's not a good start. I was hoping we're gonna 481 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: agree on something. We agree on something. I was really 482 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: hoping we could butt heads here. But um, I've used 483 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: a lot of it from tree stands, um and probably 484 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: you know two of my favorites other two of that 485 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned, um lone Wolf, and I have really liked 486 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: my muddy stands and Muddy sticks and Lone Wolf sticks. 487 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: And what I've found is is for me, a combination 488 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: of different types of stands works best for me. So 489 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: currently right now, and you know, things change. I'm sure 490 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna try different things and everything, but right now, 491 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: like this past season, the setup that I used was 492 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: one of the Lone Wolf Assault hang ons, which is 493 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: their small, super lightweight UM hang on portable stand. And 494 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: then what I like to use is I have their sticks, 495 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: and I like their sticks a lot, um, but I 496 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: also like the Muddy sticks. And Muddy has sticks that 497 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: use a rope and cam system to attach to the 498 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: tree instead of a buckle system or kind of loop 499 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: de loop system. Um. And with the Lone Wolf sticks, 500 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: you've got that metal I don't know what else call 501 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: other than a buckle. It's not really buckle, but um, 502 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: it's this metal piece that if you drop that, you 503 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: know it'll clang up against the side of your sticks. UM. 504 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: With Muddy it just has a piece of rope and 505 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: the rope wraps on the tree and kind of latches 506 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: into this clamp and um it's perfectly silent. It's really 507 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: easy to set up. So I like those a little 508 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 1: bit more than Lone Wolf sticks. Not that I use 509 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: the loan Wald sticks a lot too, and they work great. 510 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: But my perfect setup when I'm being mobile, when I'm 511 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: going into a piece of public land or new farm. 512 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not hunting it before if I don't 513 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: have or even if I just want to be, you know, 514 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: running and gunning like you do a lot, because I'll 515 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: use the loan Wolf Assault and then four muddy sticks. Um. 516 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: That's like my portable set. Um. But I think something 517 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: you said it makes lost sense and it's kind of 518 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: what I do. I like to have a couple of these, 519 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: like premium stands, so I have my Lone Wolf hang 520 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: on and sticks, and then I also have a Lone 521 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: Wolf climber. So for my mobile setups, I was willing 522 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: to I paid for those and that was not cheap. 523 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: I think that the climbing set was like four hund 524 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: bucks or something like that. So I use like all 525 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: the money and gift cards and everything I had from 526 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: Christmas a couple of years ago, um to get it. Um. 527 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: But for the portable sets where I'm trying to go 528 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: in there, like you said super quiet, I want something 529 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: lightweight that's on my back because I'm hiking in there 530 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: far with all my gear. I wanted to have something 531 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: a little bit nicer, and I do think that spending 532 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: extra money for that type of thing makes sense because 533 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: I use that so much. Um. But for all my 534 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: other tree stands that I hang on all the different 535 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: farms I hunt, my lease, my property that different spots 536 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: from Michigan, where I just have a bunch of you know, 537 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: kind of not permanent but stands that are up there 538 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: for a full season or two seasons or whatever might be. 539 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: I can't afford to buy a bunch of two d 540 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: three hundred dollar stands right now to put all over 541 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: those places. I probably have like twenty or thirty different 542 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: stands hung up across all my different properties, and there's 543 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 1: no way I could spend that much money. So I 544 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: have experimented a lot with the bargain basement tree stands, 545 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: like the cheapest things you can buy, um to to 546 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: just be afford to get myself in a tree um. 547 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,479 Speaker 1: And I've used a lot that really sucked, like a 548 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: lot where they're miserable to use. They hardly hang on 549 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: the tree, and they make noise, they move around awful, 550 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: um Like yeah, super uncomfortable. Dunham sporting goods store. I 551 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: don't know if that's anywhere in Iowa, but there's kind 552 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: of a discounted sporting good store in Uh. In Michigan, 553 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: they sell some cheap stands by some generic brand. I 554 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know what the name of the brands 555 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: tell you the truth, but it's like their cheap stands 556 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: for bucks. You can get these, and I used to 557 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: load up on them just because they're the cheapest things 558 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: I could get. And so I have these hanging all 559 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: over a bunch of my properties and they are just 560 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: god awful, like so bad. I just imagine the squeaking 561 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: every time you shift your way, You're you're you're real 562 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: close to the tree because you're afraid that one of 563 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: the cables are going to break. I've had like there's one. 564 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: It's it's horrible, and I sit there thinking to myself 565 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: like this is like this is what you do? Like 566 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: why are you using this horrible, crappy tree stand. Um. 567 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: So I've slowly been upgrading them, um and luckily I've 568 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: been able to find an upgrade that's not much more expensive. 569 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: It's it's forty dollars when it's on sale. I think 570 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: I may have told you about this before, but it's 571 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: the comfort Zone tree stand. The brand is called comfort Zone, 572 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: and I think it's I don't know, maybe it's called 573 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: the Hunter or something like that. But the brand is 574 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: comfort Zone and as far as I know, it's only 575 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: sold by Dick Sporting Goods. I think it's probably their 576 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: like their generic brand that they that they supply. Um, 577 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: but for a fourty dollar tree stand, it's by far 578 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: better than all the other cheap bargain tree stands I've 579 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: used that run it's forty Okay, I'm gonna look into those. Yeah, 580 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, some guys like if you're 581 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: used to using a hundred fifty two stands all the time, 582 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: you know these stands aren't gonna be that great. But 583 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: for like it, it just covers the basics. It's a 584 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: much more comfortable seat. It you attaches firmly to the tree. 585 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: I don't have issues with what Like once I since 586 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: down a strap, it stays sinched down tight with other 587 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: cheap out trees stands, I'll sinch you down and like 588 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: the next day I come back and it's loose again 589 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: or creaking or different things. This is just it's simple. 590 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: It's not a huge platform. Um, it's not a huge 591 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: super cushion the seat, but it's it's a good enough seat. 592 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: It's a good enough platform and it stays where it 593 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 1: needs to be and it stays quiet. Um. And so 594 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: for me right now, I have got my couple of 595 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: premium tree stands that I move around with, and then 596 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of these cheap tree stands. But 597 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm currently right now at least I'm buying comfort zones 598 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: because that's the best option I found right now for 599 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: a cheap tree stand. That's pretty good. So that's what 600 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm using. So do you ever run into a situation 601 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: where you're you're trying to do a running gun or 602 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: you or you're setting up tree stands and in the 603 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: right tree is too big for the hanging sticks to 604 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: hang on sticks, whether it's a lone wolf or muddy, 605 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: so you have to use screwing steps. Do you ever 606 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: use screwing steps? I do use screwing steps, um, usually 607 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: just for like my not my pseudo permanent stand. So 608 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: the ones that I'm gonna be keeping up all season, 609 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: I do use the screwings. I don't like them. I 610 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: hate them. No, I do too. They're man, they're dangerous 611 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: if if if you get I mean, depending on what 612 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: kind you use. They can when it's wet or there's 613 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: frost on them. They can be slippery. I mean I 614 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: I was climbing down one time and I caught my 615 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: manhood on one of on one of the hooks, so 616 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: I had to like force myself back up and shift 617 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: over and and uh so that like I don't like 618 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: to use them whenever I don't have to, but if 619 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: it's in the rights, if I need to be in 620 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: the right spot, it's a good it's a good starters, 621 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: like the first two steps where you can, you know, 622 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: the bottom stick won't fit around the base of the tree, 623 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: but you put in two screwing steps and then by 624 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: the time you get maybe five ft off the ground, 625 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: then you're your hang ons will will work past that point. Yeah, yeah, 626 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: Like you said, they're not ideal, but they are the 627 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: cheapest option. Um So I use them a lot. I 628 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: use them a lot because I'm, you know, for the 629 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: most part, pretty cheap. Um I What I do prefer 630 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: is I do like the oh gosh, the climbing like 631 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: the not the individual climbing sticks like we're talking about 632 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: like with low Wold for Muddy Love those, but like 633 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: the ones that like four pieces attached together, like kind 634 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: of a long, skinny ladder that you spend strapped to 635 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: the tree. Yeah, I prefer those for my permanent sets 636 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: that I'm hanging up, you know, early in the year. 637 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: I like those, um, and I've been fine with different 638 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: cheap models of that. Whatever I can afford, I get 639 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 1: and those are all basically you know, good enough for 640 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: me at this point at least. UM. So yeah, I 641 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: think that's a I think that's what we use when 642 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: it comes to tree stands. That's right. What do you 643 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: what do you want to move on to next? You're 644 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: calling my call? Yeah, you're called. Let's just go next 645 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: on the list and that's calls. Yeah, let's top calls. Um, 646 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: I'll share my thoughts a f your mind first, go 647 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: for it. This again, for me, as with a lot 648 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: of the gear I use, has just been like what 649 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: I started with and I liked and I've got gotten 650 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: confidence with UM. So early on, I just always used 651 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: Primos calls. It was just you know, brand that seemed 652 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: reputable back in the day when I was, you know, 653 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: getting started in this kind of thing. And I've always 654 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: been pretty happy with them, and I've still been happy. 655 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: But there's there's lots of other good call makers out there. 656 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: And I might try others, but right now, the Primos 657 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: buckroar is my call all of choice. It's uh. I 658 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: like it because it's got a deep guttural sound. Get 659 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: I've got plenty of options to get good volume out 660 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: of it. And then also has a snort wheeze tubonnet 661 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: so that I can amplify that snort wee sound. Um, 662 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: so for me that that grunt tube at this time 663 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: is always with me. And then I also use one 664 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: of the the dough and estrus bleep bleep cans um 665 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: and I think that I think that's pretty most brain too, 666 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: I believe um. So those are the two calls I use. 667 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: And then I've got a little rattling bag. Sometimes I 668 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: bring out antlers, but most of the time I actually 669 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: just bring a rattling bag. I don't like them as 670 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: much as antlers, but from a portability standpoint, it's just 671 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: a lot easier when I've got camera gear and all 672 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: my hunting stuff sometimes a tree stand, you know, on 673 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: my back, plus my bow. Um, it's hard to then 674 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: strap on a set of antlers to clacking around on 675 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: the back. So I've got I think it's a night 676 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: in hail rattling bag that I, you know, probably got 677 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: five or six years ago, and that just works. That 678 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: works fine. So that's when you don't use the black crack. 679 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: I do not use the black crack. Um That advertisement 680 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: with Uncle SI almost convinced me to try the black crack, 681 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: but no, I haven't tried it yet. That's my that's 682 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: my calling set up. What a what do you got 683 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: going on? I'll tell you man. I was disappointed this 684 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: year the grunt tube that I had had used and 685 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: have had a ton of success with over the years, 686 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: finally stopped working. Twelve years. I had it for twelve years. 687 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: I used the same grunt call, just this deep, perfect 688 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: grunt and then I would snort wheeze with my mouth. 689 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: It stopped working, Like I think the read on the 690 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: inside finally just gave out from you know, use and 691 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: then extreme heat to extreme cold and back and forth. 692 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: That read busted. So I went to Gainer Mountain and 693 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: I opened every grunt call they ad and the guy 694 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: looked at me like I was crazy, and I started 695 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: blowing grunt calls that I'm that guy in game the mountain, 696 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: you know, making you know, making the sound with it. 697 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: And I ended up going with it's so bad. But 698 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: the the bone collector, Uh yeah, but it sounded. It 699 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: sounded the best to me? Is it the one that 700 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: looks like an antler? Uh, an antler on one side 701 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: and then a big black tube on the other and 702 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: you can like squeeze it and control the pitch and 703 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: tone and everything by doing that, and it actually works 704 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: really good. And I've grunted in a couple of bucks 705 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: this year, one good three year old and uh, and 706 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: I also use I think I also use the premost 707 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: bleak call that I very rarely use. Um. And then 708 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: I always use shed antlers for Adam. Yeah. Definitely sounds better, 709 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: don't they. Yeah, I mean. And when it comes to calls, 710 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: I've learned that less at times is more. And this 711 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: year I think I blew my grunt call maybe twice. Yeah. Wow, 712 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's even less than I expected. Um. I've had, 713 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: like you know, I agree with less is usually more 714 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: and it's all about picking the right timing when you're 715 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: gonna use that too. UM. But I've had a pretty 716 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: good amount of success with with calling deer in UM 717 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: when my grunt tubes. And I think it's all about 718 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: just understanding the timing of like when when the right 719 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: time is to use them, because if you're if you're 720 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: using them all the time, I think you can definitely 721 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: blow yourself. You know, you can definitely blow it. Let's 722 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: just move on. Let's just move on. We are so immature. 723 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: So what I'm what I'm trying to say, don't overcame. 724 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: That's all I'm trying to say. You have to do 725 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: to watch their like learn a bucks body language, because 726 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: if they're there's certain times and I've I've learned this 727 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: the hard way so many times when to call and 728 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: when not to call. And I've called when their body 729 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: language was either already tense or they were on extreme 730 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: like extreme high focus and they'll either pick you off 731 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: or they'll they'll locate you in a heartbeat and then 732 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: they'll swoop all the way down when too you and 733 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: you're then you're done. Yeah, yeah, I think that that 734 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: reading of the body language, like you said, so important. 735 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: We really have to have a full episode maybe just 736 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: about calling and all these different things and things we've learned, 737 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: and maybe get somebody else on to get another perspective. 738 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: But that's another thing that there's a there's there is 739 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about when it comes to that. 740 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: I think it is more of a there's a little 741 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: bit of an art form to it, just knowing the 742 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: nuances of when the right time is to try something 743 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: think these things, and the right time of year, right 744 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: time of day, right situation, all those types of deals. 745 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,959 Speaker 1: So I wants to dive into that more at another time. 746 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: But but that's interesting to hear. UM. You know, in 747 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: regards to to your success of that bone collector, UM, 748 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: which is you know, ironic given some of the things 749 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: we said earlier. But there's you know, nothing against those 750 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: guys and the prox they endorse. I know there's lots 751 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: of good stuff there too, UM, but you know it 752 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: is what it is. So UM. Next, moving right along, 753 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 1: UM harnesses. I have used a couple of different harnesses 754 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: in my day. UM. I've personally used harnesses from Muddy 755 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: and from Gorilla. UM. I also know a lot of 756 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: guys I've been happy with the Hunter safety system. So 757 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: that's something I've looked at two UM for me across 758 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: the board. You know, I like, I like both harnesses 759 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: I used from Muddy and Gorilla. UM. But what I 760 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: specifically like is I like the low like the low 761 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: profile ones, the kind of ultra light ones. I don't 762 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: like the big vests, you know, the ones that were 763 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: really popular maybe like five, six, seven, eight, nine years ago. UM, 764 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: I prefer the ones there's you know, two thin straps, 765 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: thin legs, straps. Um gosh. I think the one I'm 766 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: currently using is the Gorilla XO something or other. I 767 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: should know this, but I don't off the top of 768 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: my head. UM, but I really like it. UM. And 769 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: then the same the original Muddy that I use, like 770 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: five years ago or something, was a very similar design. Again, 771 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: it's that UM kind of low profile type model, and 772 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: I like those a lot. But I think, you know, 773 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: any one of those three brands that I've had some 774 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: experience when I think they all they all make quality 775 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: products that will be you know, they're gonna be safe, 776 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: which is the most important thing that keep you safe 777 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: in the trees, as long as you use it properly. UM. 778 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: I think it's just a matter of finding what fit 779 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: and feel you like the most. UM which for me, 780 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: I liked the minimalist design. That's about the word I 781 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: like the most of the minimalists. So it's a few straps, 782 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: it's a few and um, you know, encumbrances as possible. 783 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: That's a that's what I like. So that's what my 784 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: current hars is is all about. I used to use 785 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: one of those best ones, and to be honest with it, 786 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: I liked it because the it's it was one piece 787 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 1: and those um straps never would tangle. They never would uh, 788 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: they would never would twist. And I can slip it 789 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: on like a coat and I'm good to go. Now. 790 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: The only problem with that is or any any safety 791 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: harness when you get up in the tree and you 792 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: need to remove layers or take you know, especially a 793 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 1: hooded sweatshirt, you gotta take the top part off and 794 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: and put it back on, and after after you put 795 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: your you know, your next layer of clothing on. But 796 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: but now I'm currently using a lone Wolf, a lone 797 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: Wolf system with the padded shoulder straps, and I know 798 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: it's probably not the safest, but I like to lean 799 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: to take lean forward and have my safety harness strap 800 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: really tight so it takes some of the pressure off 801 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: of the back and legs. So, you know, because I 802 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,320 Speaker 1: try to sit down as you know, when there's no activity, 803 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: but I always feel like something could come out at 804 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: any time. So I like to stand a lot, so 805 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: I like to lean back. I like face the tree 806 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: and I leaned back, and it's just for me. It's comfortable. Yeah. No, 807 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 1: I think I've done the same thing too sometimes. Um 808 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: it's nice when you've got a good harness that you 809 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: feel safe doing that, and so so that's harnesses. Um, 810 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: how about weapons, that's big ones? People will you're using 811 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: grenades out there? Well, I think in one of Ted 812 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: Nugent's books he said if it was legal to hunt 813 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: with a hand grenade, I'd do it, And yeah, I want, 814 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't doubt that. Not not really my style, but 815 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: me on the other hand, I mean it'd be cool 816 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: to see what would have up and you know, you 817 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: like put a hand grenade next to a cow or something. 818 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 1: But I don't think i'd ever use one. I only 819 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: bow hunt. The only time I use a gun is 820 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: for turkey hunting, and we're not talking about turkey hunting today. 821 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: So bows. My very first bow I ever bought was 822 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: a boat Tech tribute, and well, the very first bow 823 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: I bought with my own money was a boat bow 824 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: Tech Tribute. The very first bow I ever shot ever 825 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: with I think it was made out of two by fours. 826 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: But but when I went then I I made that 827 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: jump from you know, like the old compound bows to 828 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: the new age, new technology botech tribute. It's shot awesome. 829 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: I loved it. And then um through the old company 830 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: that I used to be with, Uh, we had a 831 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: sponsorship by Elite, and I my opinion, I go, I 832 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: go to the A T A show and I go 833 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: to these trade shows every year and I shoot every 834 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: bow on the market. And in my personal opinion, just 835 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: like everybody has their personal opinion, Elite bows work for 836 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: me and just have something about them that are so 837 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: smooth and flawless, and uh they are I don't know, 838 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: they just their draw their valley there. You know, when 839 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: you release, there's there's hardly any vibration on the hand, 840 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: you know, even without without a um uh the thing 841 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: that you screw into the end of the bow stabilizer 842 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: stabilizer holy smoked, even without a state. I think your 843 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: your archery recommendations are very valid now that we know 844 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: that you know. No, but I can't believe I had 845 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: a brain part. But but Elite is awesome. Now, Elite 846 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: is expensive and they're on the very high end of 847 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: the bow price spectrum. Uh so save your save your pennies. Yeah, 848 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: I've heard good things about them from you and from 849 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: a couple of other people that they definitely seem like 850 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 1: a good company. I have not used them though, um 851 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,919 Speaker 1: Me personally, I started when I was a kid shooting. Well, 852 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: my first compombo, I first had a little long bow. 853 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,479 Speaker 1: I don't even know what brain was, but my first 854 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: compound was a PSC and I use the P S 855 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,479 Speaker 1: C S for I don't know, five six, seven years 856 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: I think, and well no longer than that, um, but 857 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,839 Speaker 1: I guess I think five years ago or somewhere around there, 858 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: I switched to a bare bow and since then that's 859 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: all I've been shooting, and I've been really happy with him. 860 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: I mean, similar to why you like al um, some 861 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: of the reasons you listed there are the same things 862 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: about what I like about my bare bows. Um. Recently 863 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 1: i've shot the Motive, and before that I think it 864 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: was anarchy, UM, and what I really liked about was 865 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: how smooth it was. Just you know, it's very there's 866 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: plenty fast enough. Um. I think my bow right now 867 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: is listed IBO speed around like three ft per second. 868 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: I think, um, with a hunting arrow and everything. It's 869 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: over three ft per second still and um, it's plenty 870 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: fast enough, but it's forgiving. Like I look at forgiving bow. 871 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: I practice a lot, you know. I make sure I'm 872 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: a good shot, but I don't claim to be some 873 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: kind of term and archer. I'm not gonna I'm not 874 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: that good. Um. So I like a bow. I'd rather be, 875 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, a little more forgiving with my bow than 876 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: be a speed demon and get the fastest, most aggressive 877 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: bow on the market. So for me, that's what I 878 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: really like about my current setup. Um. And any new 879 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: bow I'll be getting, you know, or be trying out. 880 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, that's I'll be looking for something that's forgiving, 881 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,919 Speaker 1: something that's gonna be comfortable, easy to hold back on. Um. 882 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: You know, I don't want something that's gonna come flying 883 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: out of my hand when I'm a full draw. You know, 884 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: this past season with the deer I killed in Ohio, 885 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,240 Speaker 1: I was a full draw for a minute and forty 886 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: five seconds. Um. And I'm not some kind of bodybuilder. Um. 887 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: So that was not easy. But with this bow, it 888 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: was as easy as it possibly could have been. I 889 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,879 Speaker 1: think for me, um, because it holds holds back really 890 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: while it's got a nice firm back wall. Um, and 891 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm just comfortable with it. I'm very comfortable with it, 892 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: very smooth, very quiet, and like you said, have with 893 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: your laite, I also feel like my bearer is you know, 894 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: very quiet too. So that's the ball I've been shooting 895 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: and been very happy with. I think, you know, again, 896 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: with all these things when it comes to bows, a 897 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 1: lot of it again as personal preference, like we've talked about, 898 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: but you know, what's the right feel for you, and 899 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: also what's the right brand for you? You know, what 900 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,320 Speaker 1: what brand do you associate with? Because like whether we 901 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: like it or not, all these a lot of these 902 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: product decisions come down to what that brand you know, 903 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,919 Speaker 1: means to us. And some companies do a good job of, 904 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, developing some kind of meaning behind their product 905 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: that you want to be affiliated with, and some companies don't. Um, 906 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: you know. For with Bear, I'm really kind of fascinated 907 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: by the history. I'm kind of a romantic and that 908 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: I enjoyed, like you know, great stories and the story 909 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: of Fred Bear, the icon of Fred Bear, and you know, 910 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: everything that went into you know, Bear archery being what 911 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 1: it is now it's pretty neat to me. Um, you know, 912 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 1: started in Michigan, where I'm from. So all that has really, 913 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, compelled me to be even more excited about 914 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: taking a bare bow of me out in the woods 915 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of history behind it which is 916 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,280 Speaker 1: pretty neat. You know, my grandpa, I think, was shooting 917 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: a bare bow when he was out there in the 918 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: woods a long time ago. So, um, you know, I'm 919 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,760 Speaker 1: pretty excited about that. I've been happy with that bow choice, 920 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,760 Speaker 1: and there's lots of other options out there. There's plenty 921 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,280 Speaker 1: of good bows. I think there's ten different bow brands 922 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: or maybe more. I don't know what it is, but 923 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: there's a good number of brands out there that you know, 924 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 1: all produce a very quality product. It's just a matter 925 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: of going out there and and feeling each one. I 926 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,760 Speaker 1: would highly recommend, you know, making a bow decision based 927 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: on personal experience with it. Like go to a shop 928 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: and shoot these bows because as they all shoot different 929 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 1: and some brands, one guy might really love how it 930 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: feels and to you, it just might not feel right 931 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: for you and your body type. Um, So go out 932 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: there and actually test these things before you make a 933 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: purchase decision. I personally think that's a really important thing, 934 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: especially with the bow is more than almost anything. UM. 935 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: I really think you need to get your hands on it, 936 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: feel it tested out, um and make your decision based 937 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 1: on that before you know, doing anything else. I actually 938 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: had a conversation with the professional archer, to Levi Morrigan, 939 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, basically the best compound archer in the world, 940 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: and he told me that he feels that the biggest 941 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: mistakes that archers make is is equipment that does not 942 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,879 Speaker 1: fit them, meaning draw length and poundage. And in that 943 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: he recommends going to UH, going to a trusted archery 944 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: shot where they're not trying to sell you a bou 945 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: but they're trying to get you with the moat the 946 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 1: boat that fits you the best. You know, just like 947 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,800 Speaker 1: just exactly what you just said. Yeah, super important, super important. 948 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: Now when it comes to guns, UM, I use a 949 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: number of different firearms, um fight. You know, gun hunting, 950 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: I do a little bit, as you know. I hunt 951 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: for a few days during excuse me, a few days 952 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: during our rifles season here in Michigan, and then usually 953 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: for a week or two during muzzleloader across different states. UM. 954 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,280 Speaker 1: So when it comes to rifles, I'm just old timing. 955 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm still using the gun that my grandpa passed out 956 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 1: to me, which is a Winchester Semiauto UM and so 957 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: I've been using that gun forever for the rifle. It's 958 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 1: like from the seventies or something like that. It's worked 959 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: just fine for me. So that's what I use UM 960 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: as for muzzleloaders. I've used Thompson Center and I've used 961 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: c v A UM and they've both been they've both 962 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: been fine. I've made some mistakes with not taking proper 963 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: care probably of them as as I need to. UM. 964 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,319 Speaker 1: I've had a couple of issues with not getting things 965 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,479 Speaker 1: clean well enough or soon enough, and that caused some 966 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: some issues with a couple of guns I've had in 967 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: the past. UM. But I think either one of those 968 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: brands produces a good quality muzzleloader. And again it's just 969 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: figuring out what you know, what you personally like when 970 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: it comes to a muzzleloader. I like it easy to 971 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: take out breach plug because it's gonna pain, can be 972 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: real pain in the butt if you need a tool 973 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: to take out the breech plug. UM. You know when 974 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: you have to clean things. So that was one of 975 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: the things I was looking for when I bought a 976 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: new muzzleloader a year or two ago. UM that my 977 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 1: c v A Optima currently has. I like that about it. UM. 978 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 1: I also, if I had the money, I'd like to 979 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: upgrade to a muzzleloader that has some kind of coding 980 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: on the barrel to reduce rust and issues like that. UM. 981 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 1: My current gun doesn't have that, and I kind of 982 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: wish i'd upgraded, because anything to minimize the corrosion and 983 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 1: issues with rust and junk with a muzzloader, I think 984 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: is probably if you use it a lot, it's probably 985 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,920 Speaker 1: worth the money, because that's the biggest pain in the 986 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,879 Speaker 1: butt with a muzzleloader, is they just so easily, um 987 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 1: get impacted by you know, corrosion and all that. So 988 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: for whatever it's worth, that's one thing I you know, 989 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: I would think it's worth investigain. So I don't use 990 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: a gun, so pass pass. What about sun control, We've 991 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about that in the past. What 992 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: kind of stuff do you use, Let's not not clothing related, 993 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: but you know, in addition to whatever clothing, if you 994 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: have sent control clothing, what send control measures and products 995 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: do you like to use? Yeah, I'll just make my 996 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: personal comment here. I feel that the scent that comes 997 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: off your body. I don't care what clothing company says 998 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: that it will do to to it. It may help 999 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,839 Speaker 1: reduce it or or anything. A majority of your scent 1000 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: comes from your MoU mouth, and unless they have some 1001 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: rebreather type device, you're never gonna be able to eliminate it. 1002 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:05,200 Speaker 1: So there's my rant on that. But me and you, 1003 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: we both use those onyx. We've talked about it several 1004 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:17,280 Speaker 1: times on the podcast before. It's science and it uh 1005 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: it it works. I mean I have seen nothing but 1006 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,479 Speaker 1: good results from this product. Uh. Basically, what it does 1007 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:34,240 Speaker 1: it oxygen goes in and outcomes ozone, which is O three. 1008 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:41,320 Speaker 1: It's a disruptive molecule, and it's it fades your scent stream. 1009 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 1: Basically what that means is it just it it does. 1010 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,320 Speaker 1: It makes your scent not your scent. So it's deluded 1011 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,760 Speaker 1: enough to where down wind when a deer smells it smells. 1012 00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: What because ozone has a smell and they don't get 1013 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 1: scooped by it. It catches their attention. But it's not 1014 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: I want to kill you sent I hope I did 1015 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 1: a good enough job of explaining it. Yeah, yeah, I 1016 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: think so. UM, Yeah, I agree. I mean we, like 1017 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: you said, we've talked about a lot, so I won't 1018 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,840 Speaker 1: rail on it too much more. But I definitely do 1019 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 1: think it works too. I don't you know. It's not 1020 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,399 Speaker 1: a percent fail proof. It's not gonna help every single time, 1021 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: but it helps. It helps enough that I take it 1022 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 1: out with me in the tree and I wouldn't go 1023 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,800 Speaker 1: out there without it. Um, if I can, it'll help it. 1024 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:40,000 Speaker 1: So it use thoseonyx UM. I also use Hunter Specialties 1025 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 1: scent control products like they're shampoo, they're so, they're laundry detergent. UM. 1026 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,399 Speaker 1: I've with their spray. I I use all those things. 1027 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: So I do the whole scent control regime, shower and 1028 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 1: scent free so by then wash everything and sent free detergent. 1029 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: I keep all my clothes and a sealed container outside. 1030 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,840 Speaker 1: I don't change into my hunting gear till i'm outside 1031 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,480 Speaker 1: before I'm about to go out hunting. So do all that, 1032 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 1: and then I spray down with their spray. UM. And 1033 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 1: you know I use that brand. I think. I think 1034 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the brand's work. UM. The only reason 1035 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,480 Speaker 1: why I've been personally using Hunter Specialties right now. Is 1036 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,960 Speaker 1: that maybe four or five years ago, I read a study, 1037 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: a scientific study that showed, UM, they basically wanting to 1038 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,240 Speaker 1: use a whole bunch of different scent control products. And 1039 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: I can't even remember what the actual experiment was, but 1040 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 1: there was some way they're able to actually see the 1041 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 1: chemical um changes that happened when this spray was sprayed 1042 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 1: and something to destroy or whatever it is, to get 1043 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,400 Speaker 1: rid of that scent. Malchule and Hunter Specialties product at 1044 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 1: that time worked the best. UM. So I've been using 1045 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 1: it since and it's worked well enough for me. You know, 1046 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm not cent free out there. I still get winded sometimes. UM, 1047 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 1: but it's dramatically less than it used to be, and 1048 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: it's dramatically less than I think it would be if 1049 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 1: I didn't do all these different things. So I use 1050 00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,760 Speaker 1: those Onyx, I use all the various scent control products 1051 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 1: from how our specialties. And then also this year I 1052 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: started using nose jammer sometimes, which is the other little trick. 1053 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: But we've been trying recently, UM, and again I think 1054 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,439 Speaker 1: it helps. UM. It's it's not a you know, it's 1055 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: it's not the magic being. It's not gonna cure all 1056 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,640 Speaker 1: your problems. It's not gonna fool a deer's knows all 1057 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: the time, but it's another little thing I can put 1058 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,680 Speaker 1: in my favor. Um. I'm not a good enough hunter 1059 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 1: to be able to get away with just my pure woodscraft. 1060 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 1: I immediately need all the things I can get to 1061 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: help me out. So um, nos jammer, something that has 1062 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,200 Speaker 1: some other there's vanilla extract us to some degree. There's 1063 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,040 Speaker 1: some amount of vanilla extract and something else in this 1064 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,839 Speaker 1: product that just kind of fools with the deer's nose 1065 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: enough that it blocks to a degree other sense. So um, 1066 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,600 Speaker 1: between trying to eliminate as much sent as it can 1067 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,840 Speaker 1: and then having this nose jammer that kind of messes 1068 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,000 Speaker 1: with the deer's nose a little bit, and then having ozone, 1069 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: which eliminates more sent I'm doing a whole bunch of 1070 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,080 Speaker 1: crazy things, but it helps. Um. I've had a couple 1071 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: of times where I couldn't have my osans with me, 1072 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,959 Speaker 1: or the battery died once and I've forgotten, I didn't 1073 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,560 Speaker 1: replace it, and I went out there and I didn't 1074 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,560 Speaker 1: have anything, and I sprayed a bunch of nose jammer, 1075 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: and I had a whole bunch of doughs come right 1076 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,200 Speaker 1: down win to me, and I was like, super paranoid. 1077 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: They're a blowout and run the hunt. And they stopped 1078 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 1: and they smelled it and they're smelling it and smelling 1079 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,640 Speaker 1: it and they just you know, they couldn't figure out 1080 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: what was going on, and they moved on. It was fine. 1081 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,440 Speaker 1: So I've had enough circumstances to know that it's helpful. 1082 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,480 Speaker 1: That's why I use. Everyone has their own ideas and 1083 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 1: thoughts on it, but I think the most important thing 1084 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,880 Speaker 1: when it comes to scent control is do something you know. 1085 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: Don't don't pretend that you don't need to worry about 1086 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 1: your scent, because you know, number one, you need to 1087 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,520 Speaker 1: be hunting the wind. You know, keep in mind the 1088 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: wind and do your absolute best to make sure you 1089 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: minimize the amount of times that de are gonna be 1090 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 1: down wind of you. But you're never gonna get it perfect. 1091 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: Deer don't always follow the playbook, right. They do crazy things, 1092 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: They do things that we don't think they'll do, and 1093 00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,400 Speaker 1: inevitably there are going to be deer that end up 1094 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,720 Speaker 1: down wind of view. And if you're not taking care 1095 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 1: of your scent to some degree or taking some type 1096 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,480 Speaker 1: of measures to eliminate some of that or reduce some 1097 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:13,720 Speaker 1: of that. You're gonna miss on opportunities. I agree, I can't. 1098 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll put it this way. I have seen 1099 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: so many good results with nose gammer the past two years. 1100 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,720 Speaker 1: I am surprised at what dear I have seen come 1101 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,200 Speaker 1: into my location through my access route because of that product. 1102 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm not here trying to promote it. I'm just saying, 1103 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 1: give it a try. It's a bottle of it is cheap. 1104 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,680 Speaker 1: Spread on your feet. I sprayed on my legs when 1105 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:45,680 Speaker 1: you walk in to your stand, and I just I 1106 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,400 Speaker 1: witnessed more dear coming through the same way that I 1107 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: used to access my stand that I feel that it's 1108 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,560 Speaker 1: worth it's worth using. Yeah, that's the same thing that 1109 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 1: happened to me this year. Is you and a couple 1110 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,680 Speaker 1: of our other friends I'll cut telling me I should 1111 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,280 Speaker 1: try it. And so the first time I ever tried 1112 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: it was the day that I killed my Ohio buck, 1113 00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,040 Speaker 1: and he did just that. He walked right at my 1114 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: access trail, walked right where I walked. And usually, especially 1115 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,960 Speaker 1: in Michigan, this is an Ohio off so it's a 1116 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,760 Speaker 1: little bit different but usually if a deer walked across 1117 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 1: my path, they would spook immediately, but he just walked 1118 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 1: right in. So so yeah, that's another little thing worth triumph. 1119 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,080 Speaker 1: There's a kind of a running theme here with some 1120 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 1: of the some of the stuff that we're talking about, 1121 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:33,000 Speaker 1: and it's this this scientific research that's going into these products. 1122 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 1: Now where you know, several years ago, you know, even 1123 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,040 Speaker 1: I think he've been up to five maybe six years ago, 1124 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,680 Speaker 1: there wasn't this this innovation or scientific energy put into 1125 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,880 Speaker 1: some of these products, you know what I mean? Yeah, 1126 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 1: so true. I like that. I like the fact that, yeah, 1127 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,280 Speaker 1: it's especially for people like us who are you know, 1128 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,720 Speaker 1: gear heads to a degree, um, and interested in this stuff. 1129 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,560 Speaker 1: I like being able to see the fact that there 1130 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,040 Speaker 1: was actually some mindful design behind the product, research behind 1131 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,400 Speaker 1: the product. Yeah, um, which I think brings you know, 1132 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,800 Speaker 1: me very I think that circles very well into the 1133 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,400 Speaker 1: next category I want to talk about, which was clothing. Um. 1134 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,960 Speaker 1: And this is one that you and me have bounced 1135 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 1: back and forth a lot. We've had kind of had 1136 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,880 Speaker 1: our internal debates about things. UM. So I'll share my 1137 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,720 Speaker 1: two cents and I'll be interested to hear years two Um, 1138 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,439 Speaker 1: but I, as probably everybody knows, I wear sick of gear, 1139 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 1: and I started wearing sick uh five years ago, I think, 1140 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,200 Speaker 1: um I saw. I came across it right when I 1141 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,160 Speaker 1: started Wired to Hunt. I came across a video about 1142 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,959 Speaker 1: the science of camouflage. I think it was called um 1143 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 1: and it was it was developed by Sick at that 1144 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,880 Speaker 1: time as they were launching their camouflage pattern called optipid, 1145 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,800 Speaker 1: and it talked all about the different different research and 1146 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 1: design processes that went into developing this camouflage digital camouflage, 1147 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: taking into mind how dear c and how we are 1148 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,640 Speaker 1: positioned when hunt deer and all these different things. UM 1149 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,800 Speaker 1: and this is actually the original opt to F was 1150 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,960 Speaker 1: designed for big game hunting out west, so elk and 1151 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,400 Speaker 1: different things at distance and how dear or how elk 1152 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,920 Speaker 1: and different animals see. And it was fastenating stuff. And 1153 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,480 Speaker 1: so right away I was like, Wow, this is the 1154 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 1: company that's looking into these types of things. Um. You know, 1155 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,440 Speaker 1: at that time it was just you know, your basic 1156 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,400 Speaker 1: generic camouflage patterns that looked like a bunch of leaves, 1157 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,200 Speaker 1: and this is something that was very different. So I 1158 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,480 Speaker 1: was really interested in it. And as I learned more 1159 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,720 Speaker 1: about them, I became more intrigued because at that time, 1160 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Siko was the first company that had taken the fabrics 1161 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,520 Speaker 1: and materials and technologies that were really popular and like 1162 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,240 Speaker 1: mountaineering gear and climbing gear, some of these UM, you know, 1163 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,560 Speaker 1: lots of the gore tex type fabrics and things on 1164 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,720 Speaker 1: those lines, UM, and they started applying that to hunting 1165 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,919 Speaker 1: and UM at that time, they were the first people 1166 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,760 Speaker 1: to do that, and so it was like really high tech, 1167 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:56,200 Speaker 1: closer fitting, UM high performance type clothing that just seemed 1168 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,600 Speaker 1: awesome to me. So I started trying their stuff right 1169 01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,800 Speaker 1: after that at and I fell in love with him. 1170 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,600 Speaker 1: And ever since then, I've you know, continue to wear sick. 1171 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,400 Speaker 1: I've been trying all the different things, and since that point, 1172 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,440 Speaker 1: they eventually have become, you know, as everyone knows, a 1173 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,800 Speaker 1: partner of Wire to Hunt. We've developed a relationship, but 1174 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,160 Speaker 1: it's it's rooted in the fact that I really believed 1175 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 1: in their process of how they went about things, which 1176 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,040 Speaker 1: is really cool. UM And I actually got to spend 1177 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 1: some time with him last week because I was in 1178 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,440 Speaker 1: Montana and where their headquarters is, and I got to 1179 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,120 Speaker 1: sit down and talk to their you know, product designers 1180 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,720 Speaker 1: and how all these things happen and how it's so 1181 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:36,040 Speaker 1: rooted in research. UM So that was, you know, fascinating. 1182 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I won't dive into that too much right now. Um 1183 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,880 Speaker 1: we'll probably talk about some things in the future. Um 1184 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,760 Speaker 1: as we're going to be doing some more stuff with 1185 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,240 Speaker 1: SICKA down the down the road. But I really like 1186 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,240 Speaker 1: their gear, their new white tail stuff that I use 1187 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:52,080 Speaker 1: this past season. It's awesome. Um. I love the camouflage 1188 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,280 Speaker 1: and I like the fact that everything is designed to 1189 01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 1: all the little things are considered. That's probably my favorite 1190 01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,280 Speaker 1: thing about SICK because they they've taken to mind little 1191 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,640 Speaker 1: tiny things, like all little details that matter to me, 1192 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,000 Speaker 1: um are incorporated into the product design. So like on 1193 01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,520 Speaker 1: a jacket called the Fanatic jacket, you know, one of 1194 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,720 Speaker 1: the biggest things for a lot of white to hunters 1195 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 1: how do we stay warm and how do we keep 1196 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,360 Speaker 1: our hands warm but then have easy access to them 1197 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,080 Speaker 1: to draw our bow or you know, get our grunt 1198 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,760 Speaker 1: to or do different things like that. So they've developed 1199 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,000 Speaker 1: this whole fanatical line around keeping your hands warm. So 1200 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 1: they developed, you know, a jacket that allowed for a 1201 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,400 Speaker 1: kangaroo pocket on the front where you can put both 1202 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 1: your hands in this kangaroo pocket and keep your hands 1203 01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,040 Speaker 1: warm in there. But to do that, they had to 1204 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,360 Speaker 1: do a sideway zipper that comes around. So it's totally 1205 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,960 Speaker 1: different than anything else out there, but it's super functional 1206 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,800 Speaker 1: and I love it now. It's totally different. It was 1207 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,080 Speaker 1: a strange thing at first, but it's something that makes 1208 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,040 Speaker 1: so much sense now. So there's lots of little things 1209 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: like that built into their clothing that I appreciate, um. 1210 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,240 Speaker 1: And that's why I've used it and why i'm you know, 1211 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm very comfortable recommending it to people. But it's also 1212 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 1: one of those things that cost a lot of money. 1213 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:58,480 Speaker 1: They're not cheap clothing. Um. And so with that said, 1214 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, my two cents on SIA is that it's 1215 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,840 Speaker 1: not for everyone. You know, if you're a guy that 1216 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,480 Speaker 1: likes to go out there, if you're if you're just 1217 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,520 Speaker 1: getting into hunting and you're gonna go out a couple 1218 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,600 Speaker 1: of times a season, or if you've been hunting your 1219 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,320 Speaker 1: whole life but you just go out for opening weekend 1220 01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,640 Speaker 1: of guns season or whatever it is. You know, something 1221 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,880 Speaker 1: like that maybe isn't the right way to use your money, 1222 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,960 Speaker 1: because that's it's a pretty big investment. Um. But for 1223 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,840 Speaker 1: a guy like me who's out there hunting sixties seventy 1224 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,880 Speaker 1: days a year or more, um, and he was gonna 1225 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,640 Speaker 1: be hunting in the hottest days and the coldest days, 1226 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,440 Speaker 1: and the wet days and the windy days. UM. For me, 1227 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,680 Speaker 1: it makes sense that that's a worthwhile investment because I'm 1228 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 1: using it so much and it needs something that's gonna 1229 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,800 Speaker 1: allow me to stay out there and perform at the 1230 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,360 Speaker 1: best of my ability. So that's why I've been using 1231 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,160 Speaker 1: SICKA and why I like it. UM. But I know 1232 01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:43,920 Speaker 1: that you wear some different gear and you like what 1233 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,520 Speaker 1: you used to. So what's uh, what's your taking what 1234 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,440 Speaker 1: you're using? Dan? Before I jump into something, Mark, I'm 1235 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,360 Speaker 1: gonna be honest and I'm gonna tell you that you 1236 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:58,480 Speaker 1: have sparked my interest in I'll put you this way. 1237 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,919 Speaker 1: This is where most of my offseason focus has been 1238 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,760 Speaker 1: in looking at different types of gear. Okay, we had 1239 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,520 Speaker 1: we had this. We had a conversation when you came 1240 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,200 Speaker 1: down to shed Hunt. We had a conversation at the 1241 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,720 Speaker 1: A T A show in the hotel room. Um, and 1242 01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:21,480 Speaker 1: you sparked my interest one thing about science and functionality 1243 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,040 Speaker 1: of specific you know of Sitka and a lot of 1244 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:31,400 Speaker 1: the quote unquote popular uh camel patterns and even Predator 1245 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm a I'm a huge fan of Predator camel. 1246 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,600 Speaker 1: Love the pattern. The owners of the company are awesome. 1247 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,880 Speaker 1: Like it's just when I when I look up into 1248 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: a tree into the in in the fall, I see 1249 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:55,080 Speaker 1: predator camel, but the deer don't have human eyes. So 1250 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,600 Speaker 1: I've been doing I read into how Sitka makes their 1251 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, cameo, the research and development and studies that 1252 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,920 Speaker 1: have gone into it. I've recently just been um reading 1253 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,280 Speaker 1: and researching about a company called Cryptic Cameo and the 1254 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,240 Speaker 1: research and development that they've put into their camera pattern, 1255 01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:22,640 Speaker 1: doing studies on the human eye and and how it 1256 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: focuses on specific camel patterns. That So that's kind of intriguing. 1257 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,960 Speaker 1: And knowing that I'm going to have to go out 1258 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,880 Speaker 1: into the west here this fall with no tree stand 1259 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,240 Speaker 1: and no no real cover other than maybe hiding behind 1260 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,000 Speaker 1: a tree, I'll be on the ground, So my cameo 1261 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:47,760 Speaker 1: is more important, you know, I'm debating internally of what 1262 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:53,000 Speaker 1: I should do. Another thing that that I've I've looked 1263 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,000 Speaker 1: into is the functionality. Now, what you get with the 1264 01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,479 Speaker 1: mossy oaks and the real trees. For the this part, 1265 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: you get the pattern, you get the coat, you get 1266 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,640 Speaker 1: the t shirt, you get the you know, the I 1267 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,760 Speaker 1: don't I don't want to say poor Man's but a 1268 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:18,200 Speaker 1: more affordable camera pattern. That's just I don't know, it's 1269 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,520 Speaker 1: just the camera pattern. There's not a lot of insulation 1270 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,480 Speaker 1: or or or functionality or science that goes into keeping 1271 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,120 Speaker 1: you warm or keeping you cool or you know, waking 1272 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,320 Speaker 1: away sweat or keeping the wind out like these other companies, 1273 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,200 Speaker 1: especially Sick of Gear and in their background with Gortex. 1274 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:42,320 Speaker 1: But it's like I'm I'm starting to I'm starting I 1275 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 1: love science and I love when a question can be answered, 1276 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,439 Speaker 1: why does this product work better than this product? Well, 1277 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,919 Speaker 1: here's some research, some scientific background to tell you why. 1278 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,240 Speaker 1: So that's that's what That's what I really like. Well, 1279 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to have lots of long conversation is 1280 01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,840 Speaker 1: off there about that stuff and um, because there's lots 1281 01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,240 Speaker 1: lots of stuff there, and UM, I don't want to 1282 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,080 Speaker 1: harp on it too much, but this last week was 1283 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,680 Speaker 1: just even more I opening to get the background about 1284 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,479 Speaker 1: how this stuff is developed by um by Seka, who's 1285 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,880 Speaker 1: who I use um, but you know, again, everyone's gonna 1286 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,360 Speaker 1: have their own opinions on that. Um. That's why I use. 1287 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,960 Speaker 1: But there are you know, admittedly, there's other companies that 1288 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,800 Speaker 1: are starting to get into the game with some of 1289 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,200 Speaker 1: the better, higher quality materials too. So UM, you know, 1290 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,240 Speaker 1: there's plenty of other brands out there check out. Again, 1291 01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to what fits and feels right 1292 01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,800 Speaker 1: for you. But I would definitely recommend at least you know, 1293 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,360 Speaker 1: doing some research. Um. You know, again, don't make your 1294 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,680 Speaker 1: purchase decision on some of these high dollar things like 1295 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,800 Speaker 1: bows or guns or big sets of camouflage gear just 1296 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,120 Speaker 1: because so and so on TV wears it. Um, i'd 1297 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,800 Speaker 1: encourage you to, or even if because I recommend it, 1298 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 1: regardless of that, I'd encourage you to to really dive 1299 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,000 Speaker 1: in the There's so much available online now you can 1300 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,280 Speaker 1: read and learn a lot about this stuff. UM, So 1301 01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,639 Speaker 1: take that extra money and learn about it. Um, because 1302 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,800 Speaker 1: I think, get that's very enlightening, And I worry that 1303 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,000 Speaker 1: lots of times we just a lot of people just 1304 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,040 Speaker 1: buy something because their favorite so and so person wears it, 1305 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,840 Speaker 1: And sometimes that's not gonna end up, you know, being 1306 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,120 Speaker 1: a purchase decision that you'll be happy about down the road. Um. 1307 01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:18,000 Speaker 1: So with these high dollar automs, high dollar items take 1308 01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,480 Speaker 1: the time to learn. So I just want to elaborate 1309 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,040 Speaker 1: one thing, especially in the Midwest, if you were a 1310 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:30,080 Speaker 1: tree stand hunter, depending on where, if you're hunting a 1311 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,600 Speaker 1: field edge, maybe not as much, but the way I 1312 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,120 Speaker 1: hunt in in the Midwest, on my hunting properties, I 1313 01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:43,519 Speaker 1: have recently gone to wearing solid brown pants and having 1314 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,920 Speaker 1: one solid color as my um as my pants, and 1315 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,280 Speaker 1: then i'd wear like a Predator jacket, or if it 1316 01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,560 Speaker 1: was cold, I would wear a double stuffed hooded sweatshirt. 1317 01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,400 Speaker 1: And my thought is, if you are still, you don't 1318 01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,880 Speaker 1: need cam flage in the timber. It's kind of a 1319 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:08,000 Speaker 1: fail safe at times. And it's it's it's reassuring knowing 1320 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,479 Speaker 1: that you have camo on, but deer pickup movements so 1321 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,320 Speaker 1: well if especially if they're if their body language is tense, 1322 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,000 Speaker 1: that your camel pattern won't matter if you get busted. 1323 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,599 Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've worn Predator, I've worn real Tree, 1324 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: I've worn mossy yoak, and I've been busted every you know, 1325 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,479 Speaker 1: wearing every one of those patterns. So I just feel 1326 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,040 Speaker 1: that if you do it right, you don't really need cameo. 1327 01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,479 Speaker 1: I'm not telling you to wear a rainbow jacket into 1328 01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:40,000 Speaker 1: the timber with you know that's bedazzled because that's your 1329 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,040 Speaker 1: that's your usual attire when you're that's my that's my 1330 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,479 Speaker 1: day job attire. Right, Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying. 1331 01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,200 Speaker 1: I think, um, you know, there's a lot to be 1332 01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,400 Speaker 1: said for the fact that you know, if you do 1333 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,639 Speaker 1: all the other things right, you're gonna have the need 1334 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,679 Speaker 1: for camouflages is less if you can avoid a deer 1335 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,240 Speaker 1: looking up into the trade all. You know, I definitely 1336 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,479 Speaker 1: think there's advantages to having camouflaged if a deer is 1337 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,680 Speaker 1: looking up in your direction. But of course that's the 1338 01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,040 Speaker 1: worst case scenario. So you know, cross your teas and 1339 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,599 Speaker 1: dot your eyes first and hopefully that will lesson your 1340 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,759 Speaker 1: need for it. But I'm still gonna go with something 1341 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,600 Speaker 1: that I know can can save the day when I 1342 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:21,320 Speaker 1: do screw up and make and you're comfortable, yes, because 1343 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,880 Speaker 1: how many how many times have we sit sat in 1344 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,040 Speaker 1: a tree and you're you're either wearing so many layers 1345 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:33,320 Speaker 1: because your camel flies jacket is just it's just a pattern, 1346 01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,200 Speaker 1: and you got six or seven other layers on and 1347 01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,559 Speaker 1: you're just not comfortable. You're either too hot or worse yet, 1348 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,240 Speaker 1: you're too cold. And no, I I don't want to 1349 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,960 Speaker 1: make this too much of a plug for a for SICKA, 1350 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,920 Speaker 1: but since I've been using it, I really get I 1351 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,160 Speaker 1: don't have that issue because it's like smart layering for 1352 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,599 Speaker 1: the right environment. And um that's I like it because 1353 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,080 Speaker 1: it allows me to stay out in any kind of conditions. 1354 01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm out there, I'm super comfortable, and I know that 1355 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,120 Speaker 1: my gear isn't gonna be the reason why I don't 1356 01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,439 Speaker 1: have success. I'm never worried that I'm going to have 1357 01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,880 Speaker 1: an issue where I'm too loud, or I get too 1358 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,000 Speaker 1: cold and I have to leave, or sweating too much. Um. 1359 01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,120 Speaker 1: And I'm just confident in because of that. So I 1360 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,960 Speaker 1: think we should move on from that. We've talked enough 1361 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,640 Speaker 1: about it. UM. But it's interesting to hear hopeful. It's 1362 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,839 Speaker 1: interesting here our perspectives and experience of those things. UM. 1363 01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,599 Speaker 1: I definitely like the high performance clothing brands now. I 1364 01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,639 Speaker 1: think if you can afford it and you hunt enough, 1365 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,479 Speaker 1: that's a worthwhile investment. Just you know, people spend a 1366 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,599 Speaker 1: thousand dollars or more in their bow. Um, if you're 1367 01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,439 Speaker 1: gonna be hunting sixty for forty or thirty days a year, 1368 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,000 Speaker 1: I think what you wear out there is just as 1369 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,680 Speaker 1: important as your thousand dollar bow. So you know that 1370 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,639 Speaker 1: kind of investment, if you're gonna use it and last 1371 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,720 Speaker 1: a long time, it's a big part of you know, 1372 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,560 Speaker 1: being able to stay out there in the woods is 1373 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,639 Speaker 1: a big part of success. So so what about footwear, 1374 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,080 Speaker 1: that's kind of the final piece of our clothing. UM. 1375 01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:01,759 Speaker 1: I have worn one brand of hunting boots since I 1376 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:07,200 Speaker 1: was like twelve, I think, Um, I've been using hold 1377 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,840 Speaker 1: on one second, Dan, I've got a phone buzzing here 1378 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:15,600 Speaker 1: that's going to be a distracting and I don't know 1379 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,760 Speaker 1: even where it is. There's a phone, big deal. UM. 1380 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,200 Speaker 1: I have been wearing Lacrosse boots since I was like 1381 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,400 Speaker 1: twelve years old or fifteen years old or something. It's 1382 01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,759 Speaker 1: just because like that was what my family used maybe 1383 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,840 Speaker 1: if somewhere somewhere on that age. UM, and they've just 1384 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,040 Speaker 1: worked for me. They've just kept me warm, kept me dry, 1385 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,880 Speaker 1: occasionally had you know that the occasional issues just like 1386 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,080 Speaker 1: you'll have with any boots, but just overall, I've had 1387 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,760 Speaker 1: a really positive experience with them. So right now I'm 1388 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:46,800 Speaker 1: wearing the Lacrosse Arrowhead and those are you know, your 1389 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,400 Speaker 1: your high rubber boots. But what's pretty cool about them 1390 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,200 Speaker 1: is that it's a combination of rubber or some kind 1391 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:56,120 Speaker 1: of rubber and a neoprene upper. Um that just makes 1392 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,479 Speaker 1: it fit your foot a lot differently than some of 1393 01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,160 Speaker 1: the other rubber boots I've warned from them in and 1394 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,559 Speaker 1: from them in the past, and just makes it super comfortable. Um. 1395 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,200 Speaker 1: It kind of holds your ankle in the back of 1396 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,880 Speaker 1: your foot and there a little bit more, and I've 1397 01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,720 Speaker 1: excuse me, has just been great for walking, like when 1398 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,879 Speaker 1: I'm going deep, when I'm hiking deep into a stand, Um, 1399 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,800 Speaker 1: they just stick to my foot in a much more 1400 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,400 Speaker 1: comfortable way. UM. So that's the boot I'm wearing it, 1401 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,320 Speaker 1: and now I've been very happy with it. UM. I 1402 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,000 Speaker 1: guess you know, regardless of brand, I've always liked having 1403 01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,519 Speaker 1: the kind of knee high rubber boots. UM, both because 1404 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,000 Speaker 1: I want to be able to walk through streams and 1405 01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,160 Speaker 1: things and not worry about it, and because you know, 1406 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,200 Speaker 1: to a degree they hold less sent so you know, 1407 01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,960 Speaker 1: the minimum that's what i'd recommend and my current boot 1408 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,400 Speaker 1: of choices they are arrowhead from across UM, but from 1409 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,240 Speaker 1: a boot standpoint, and that's when I'm rocking. What about you, Well, 1410 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:56,040 Speaker 1: my my muddy, my muddy conditions, my extreme cold conditions. 1411 01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,719 Speaker 1: I'm I'm using a pair of muck boots, the rubber 1412 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,320 Speaker 1: boot um that you can roll down when you're walking 1413 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,760 Speaker 1: in so that heat escapes and then I get to 1414 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,400 Speaker 1: my stand and then UM, I can roll them back up. 1415 01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,160 Speaker 1: Don't have to worry about my feet getting wet. Uh. 1416 01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,960 Speaker 1: The only issue with that is it's once you're up 1417 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,160 Speaker 1: in the stand, uh and depending on the weather, the 1418 01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,680 Speaker 1: it can It's not the best. I mean it's not 1419 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,840 Speaker 1: it's not the best. I I wear them because I 1420 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,920 Speaker 1: don't want my feet to get wet when I'm crossing 1421 01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,479 Speaker 1: a creek or a stream and then I pretty much 1422 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,880 Speaker 1: just tough it out or you know. I wear a 1423 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:38,080 Speaker 1: pair of wool socks and a ton of adhesive UH 1424 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:43,080 Speaker 1: foot warmers for for I mean this this November, this 1425 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:47,120 Speaker 1: pass November was freezing cold during the rut and UH 1426 01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,959 Speaker 1: I went through about forty seven thousand adhesive body warmers 1427 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:56,960 Speaker 1: and foot foot things. But UM, early season, I mean, 1428 01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm wearing a pair of old hiking boots just because 1429 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,920 Speaker 1: is purely for comfortable, you know, comfortable. I don't even 1430 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,760 Speaker 1: know the brand, maybe Wolverine. I bought them at a 1431 01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,559 Speaker 1: I bought him at like a farm King or a 1432 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Tyson's Um. But my main hunting boot, in the hunting 1433 01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:21,599 Speaker 1: boot that I wore out to Nebraska was Danner Prong Horns, 1434 01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,960 Speaker 1: and they are very comfortable and very you know, they're 1435 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,679 Speaker 1: they're broken in right now, really well, and uh they work. 1436 01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,760 Speaker 1: They worked just fine for me, and I wear it 1437 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,040 Speaker 1: when they get cold out, when it gets cold out, 1438 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,479 Speaker 1: and I'll put if I don't have to cross the 1439 01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,400 Speaker 1: currieck or if I'm hunting up high, I'll uh, you know, 1440 01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,599 Speaker 1: plenty of room for extra socks if need be very good. Yeah, yeah, 1441 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,559 Speaker 1: I am. Your rubber boots, your muck boots. Do you 1442 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,640 Speaker 1: not have like a version that's got some kind of 1443 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,360 Speaker 1: installation in there? Yeah, I do have. I do have 1444 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:58,960 Speaker 1: the insulation. But this this winter or this rut in 1445 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,280 Speaker 1: Iowa was so cold. I mean it was thirteen degrees 1446 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,240 Speaker 1: for two days, three days in a row. Yeah, when 1447 01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,800 Speaker 1: that cold front came through, I don't care. I mean 1448 01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,920 Speaker 1: unless I'm wearing some kind of arctic gear. Your feet 1449 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,200 Speaker 1: are gonna get cold. Yeah, it's it's tough in those 1450 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,360 Speaker 1: kinds of conditions. I definitely recommend, you know, with the 1451 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,040 Speaker 1: rubber the rubber boots, to get ones that have some 1452 01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,120 Speaker 1: type of like insulate insulation in them, or you know, 1453 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,439 Speaker 1: if you've got the neoprene boots that um, you get 1454 01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,880 Speaker 1: the thicker neoprene. Like for me with the arrowheads, there's 1455 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,000 Speaker 1: a couple of different thickness levels and uh, I use 1456 01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,280 Speaker 1: the thickest one. I think it's eight millimeters maybe, um. 1457 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,240 Speaker 1: And that helps because cold feet is one of those 1458 01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,680 Speaker 1: things that can drive you out of the woods, and 1459 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,640 Speaker 1: for me, it's anything I can do to stay in 1460 01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,200 Speaker 1: the woods, I'm gonna do it. So right, So let's 1461 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,519 Speaker 1: foot where um we're going. We're kind of going pretty 1462 01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,800 Speaker 1: long here, so maybe we've got to wrap things up 1463 01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,960 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. What about trail cameras. That's something we have 1464 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,400 Speaker 1: not talked about. It's a popular gear to topic. What 1465 01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,479 Speaker 1: trail cameras are you using? Well, I'll tell you, I'm glad. 1466 01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,439 Speaker 1: I'm glad we're going to cover this topic because there 1467 01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,240 Speaker 1: are so many different types of trail cameras out there. 1468 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:20,840 Speaker 1: I have used moultries. I have used reckonics, which I 1469 01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:28,000 Speaker 1: spent I think, and then it was stolen, so that 1470 01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,479 Speaker 1: made me upset, and then it made me realize that 1471 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,000 Speaker 1: what I use trail cameras for are to get pictures 1472 01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:39,599 Speaker 1: and to locate deer. So if a trail camera picture 1473 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,000 Speaker 1: can if a trail camera can take a picture when 1474 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,320 Speaker 1: a deer walks in front of it and the trigger 1475 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,920 Speaker 1: speed is sufficient enough to catch it in the frame. 1476 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,840 Speaker 1: So I know what bucket is, so I know that 1477 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,000 Speaker 1: I can make a decision to go after it. It's 1478 01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,799 Speaker 1: fine for me right now. I have all covert trail 1479 01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,519 Speaker 1: cameras and I've gotten those for free from the past 1480 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,280 Speaker 1: UH dealings that I was with and I also had 1481 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,719 Speaker 1: to pay for a couple of them discount of price, 1482 01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:14,799 Speaker 1: so so they work very well. Um they they also 1483 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,120 Speaker 1: I also have one of those show cameras that sends 1484 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,639 Speaker 1: stuff to your phone, but there sends pictures to your phone, 1485 01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 1: but you have to have cell phone service in that 1486 01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,760 Speaker 1: area and the places where I want, you know, that 1487 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,479 Speaker 1: would work for me. I have no cell phone service, 1488 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,920 Speaker 1: so it's kind of obsolete. I don't run a lot 1489 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,839 Speaker 1: of video so I really don't care about the video 1490 01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:45,360 Speaker 1: aspect of it. I want a picture from the trail 1491 01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,160 Speaker 1: camera showing what buck is in the area, what buck 1492 01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,360 Speaker 1: hits the scrape. It's over what buck is eating out 1493 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,280 Speaker 1: of this mineral pile that I that I put up, 1494 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,439 Speaker 1: you know here in the next couple of weeks. That's 1495 01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,800 Speaker 1: all I want. So there's trail cameras out there that 1496 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,200 Speaker 1: are from sixty bucks to six hundred bucks even more 1497 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:07,519 Speaker 1: than that that can do that job. So for me, 1498 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,360 Speaker 1: in the position that I'm in, the next time I 1499 01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,360 Speaker 1: go to buy a trail camera, I'm probably gonna look 1500 01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:17,040 Speaker 1: for the cheaper on the cheaper end. Yeah, I can 1501 01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,479 Speaker 1: understand that. Um. I've kind of gotten to a point 1502 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,559 Speaker 1: where I'm sort of similar to you too, UM, in 1503 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,400 Speaker 1: that you know where things are from me right now, 1504 01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,479 Speaker 1: the way I use trail cameras, UM, is similar to you. 1505 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,679 Speaker 1: I just needed to get a picture, and I need 1506 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,560 Speaker 1: to know if the general quality of general basics of 1507 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,000 Speaker 1: that dear. I need to be able to see the body. 1508 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,200 Speaker 1: You know, how old is it a general idea of 1509 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:40,640 Speaker 1: you know what, dear? Is this or is this a 1510 01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,519 Speaker 1: dear I've seen before? Whatnot? Um? And I also don't 1511 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,000 Speaker 1: have a whole lot of money I can use on 1512 01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,639 Speaker 1: to spend on trail cameras. I actually don't think I've 1513 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,759 Speaker 1: ever got well, I think I've gotten one trail camera 1514 01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,439 Speaker 1: for free in the past. Um, but overall, I probably 1515 01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:57,280 Speaker 1: I probably bought like ten to fifteen cameras myself. Yeah. Um, 1516 01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,519 Speaker 1: so what I've been trying to do when I'm buying 1517 01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,679 Speaker 1: this camera to get a camera that like the worst 1518 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,439 Speaker 1: I've I've tried the super cheap ones. And the worst 1519 01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,479 Speaker 1: thing is when you put a camera up and then 1520 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,240 Speaker 1: you get back there a week or two weeks or 1521 01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,679 Speaker 1: three weeks later and the thing hasn't taken any pictures, 1522 01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,360 Speaker 1: or it took like twenty and they're all black. Um. 1523 01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,920 Speaker 1: It's like, there's nothing like more depressing to me than 1524 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,280 Speaker 1: being super pumped up about a trail camera poll and 1525 01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:19,960 Speaker 1: then you get there and there's no pictures. So I 1526 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,200 Speaker 1: hate that. I don't even want to talk about it 1527 01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,840 Speaker 1: because I am literally getting fired up in my seat 1528 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,559 Speaker 1: right now because I'm thinking about times that that's happened 1529 01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,680 Speaker 1: to me. It's horrible. It's horrible. Um, It's like you 1530 01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,760 Speaker 1: woke up Christmas morning in Santa Let you nothing but coal. 1531 01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,000 Speaker 1: So so what I've tried to do is I've kind 1532 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,559 Speaker 1: of looked for that minimum threshold where I can get 1533 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,280 Speaker 1: a camera that I feel like it's gonna get me 1534 01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,559 Speaker 1: a good enough picture, but it is going to avoid 1535 01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,840 Speaker 1: the constant failure or the significant risk of failure. Um So, 1536 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,960 Speaker 1: for me at this point, you know, with what I 1537 01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,160 Speaker 1: can afford and the number of cameras I like to have, 1538 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,240 Speaker 1: I need a lot of cameras, or I'd like to 1539 01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:55,559 Speaker 1: have a lot of cameras because I hunt a lot 1540 01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,479 Speaker 1: of different properties. Um So you know you hunt mainly 1541 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,559 Speaker 1: one core property. Um I've got you know, five nine 1542 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,519 Speaker 1: different properties I'm trying to hunt, So I like to 1543 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,840 Speaker 1: have a decent number cameras to spread that around. So 1544 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,439 Speaker 1: for me, that sweet spot has been like the hundred 1545 01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,920 Speaker 1: and fifty two hundred dollar range is where I feel 1546 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,200 Speaker 1: like it's a good enough camera that I'm not worried 1547 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:18,680 Speaker 1: about failure. But um, I'm not spending the five or 1548 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,920 Speaker 1: six hundred dollars per camera, which those are great cameras, 1549 01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,880 Speaker 1: It's just not what I need right now and what 1550 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,680 Speaker 1: I can afford right now. Um So, the brand, the 1551 01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,120 Speaker 1: two brands that I personally had the most experience with 1552 01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,320 Speaker 1: UM are Moultrie and Bushnell UM. I've also used wild 1553 01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:37,960 Speaker 1: game innovations and covert cameras and I think one other 1554 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,559 Speaker 1: one but I can't think of it off the top 1555 01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,720 Speaker 1: of my head. But right now and cutting back, I've 1556 01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,320 Speaker 1: got a cutting back to UM. And you know, there's 1557 01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,120 Speaker 1: plenty of good options, but the two I've enjoyed the 1558 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,680 Speaker 1: most have been Maultry and Bushnell. My my like, my 1559 01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,799 Speaker 1: go to is the Bushnell UM for me, the basic 1560 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,599 Speaker 1: Bushnell Trophy camp. It just works. UM. I'm not always 1561 01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,920 Speaker 1: getting the absolutely most perfect picture. It's not always you know, 1562 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,720 Speaker 1: the fanciest, but it just works for me. So I've 1563 01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:06,439 Speaker 1: got more Bushnel Trophy cams than anything else. If someone 1564 01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,599 Speaker 1: were to ask me, what camera would you recommend? That's 1565 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,639 Speaker 1: like my safe bet go to, So you know, take 1566 01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,080 Speaker 1: into account. You know, like all these things, you gotta research, 1567 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,599 Speaker 1: you gotta figure out what the right thing is for you. 1568 01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,880 Speaker 1: If you're buying one trail camera and you're only gonna 1569 01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,160 Speaker 1: use one trail camera and you want to get great pictures, 1570 01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,320 Speaker 1: you might want to buy one of the more expensive 1571 01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,240 Speaker 1: models of one of these different brands UM. But if 1572 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,479 Speaker 1: you're going to be using a bunch for like overall 1573 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,960 Speaker 1: surveillance and trying to get a basic idea of what's 1574 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,240 Speaker 1: going on. You know, I think that sweet spot, somewhere 1575 01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,840 Speaker 1: in that hundred and fifty two range, at least from 1576 01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,640 Speaker 1: what I found, is maybe where you need to be 1577 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,000 Speaker 1: looking to be somewhat affordable. It's still you know, that's 1578 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,120 Speaker 1: still not cheap um, but it's it's more affordable. And 1579 01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,240 Speaker 1: I think that when you get to that level, you 1580 01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,919 Speaker 1: avoid like the at least what I've seen, you're avoiding 1581 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,559 Speaker 1: the junk level, and you're getting the point where it's 1582 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,559 Speaker 1: pretty safe. So that's my two cents on it, right 1583 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,280 Speaker 1: And there's like, there's a point where I don't care 1584 01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:04,080 Speaker 1: how many megapixels the camera takes. Eight megapixels seems to 1585 01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,720 Speaker 1: eight to twelve, you know, twelve the highest I have 1586 01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:11,559 Speaker 1: right now is twelve takes awesome pictures. Eight megapixels also 1587 01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:16,200 Speaker 1: takes great pictures, and it's cheaper than the twelve. So 1588 01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,679 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where I feel there's 1589 01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,320 Speaker 1: a threshold that's reached where anything over a certain amount 1590 01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:27,760 Speaker 1: just is insignificant and it doesn't even really matter. And 1591 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,640 Speaker 1: and It's one of those things where if you have 1592 01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,160 Speaker 1: it's how you hunt and how you use your trio 1593 01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:40,000 Speaker 1: cameras that you should ask yourself, is this specific feature 1594 01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,600 Speaker 1: worth the extra dollar amount? Yeah? Agree, And it just 1595 01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,200 Speaker 1: comes down to, like you said, how you're using your cameras, 1596 01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,840 Speaker 1: what's important to you, and that probably goes for just 1597 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:56,160 Speaker 1: basically everything we've talked about exactly that's said, are there 1598 01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,960 Speaker 1: any other categories of gear that you think we should cover? 1599 01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:05,960 Speaker 1: You know, I think we've covered a majority of the 1600 01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,240 Speaker 1: in your face, Um, I tell you last year I 1601 01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:17,040 Speaker 1: stepped up to our heavier arrow. Um, I I shoot 1602 01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,960 Speaker 1: eighty pounds, and it's not because I want to be 1603 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,240 Speaker 1: some bad assets. Because I can pull back eighty pounds. 1604 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,759 Speaker 1: I feel comfortable doing it, so why not. So because 1605 01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,559 Speaker 1: of that, I decided I want to I want to 1606 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,800 Speaker 1: pick up a really really heavy arrow and get as 1607 01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:40,320 Speaker 1: much kinetic energy as possible because I've had situations in 1608 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,200 Speaker 1: the past where I didn't get the penetration that I 1609 01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:46,800 Speaker 1: needed and that resulted in a buck not dying. So 1610 01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:52,720 Speaker 1: that's why I decided to pick up UM. The Eastern 1611 01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:58,559 Speaker 1: UH full metal jackets is what I'm shooting. So they 1612 01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,960 Speaker 1: are they're like driving a semi. I mean it's they 1613 01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:07,560 Speaker 1: hit hard. Nice nice. Yeah, I think there's something to 1614 01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:12,240 Speaker 1: be said about, you know, paying attention to the penetration 1615 01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,320 Speaker 1: that an arrow can get and the kinetic energy you 1616 01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,000 Speaker 1: can you can get with that arrow, and you're set 1617 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:20,080 Speaker 1: up um for me. When it comes to arrows, it's 1618 01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,719 Speaker 1: been that's another one of like legacy products. Like I've 1619 01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,479 Speaker 1: been shooting Carbon Express arrows since I started bow hunting, 1620 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:27,920 Speaker 1: and they've just worked for me, and I just have 1621 01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,320 Speaker 1: developed a trust with them. And they also seem to 1622 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,720 Speaker 1: be a company that's consistently been upping the antie like that. 1623 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,160 Speaker 1: Every year they've got something new and and um something 1624 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,320 Speaker 1: technology technologically sound that it's always continue to push arrows 1625 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,360 Speaker 1: in the right direction from my perspective at least. So 1626 01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,560 Speaker 1: I've been really happy with those products, you know, for 1627 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,920 Speaker 1: the last ten fifteen years or however long it's been fifteen, 1628 01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,320 Speaker 1: sixteen years, I don't know. Um. So right now I'm 1629 01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,439 Speaker 1: shooting the Carbon Express Maxima reds and they just they 1630 01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,240 Speaker 1: group tight. I just noticeably could see a difference when 1631 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,559 Speaker 1: I from my previous arrows from them too to switching 1632 01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,400 Speaker 1: to those. It just it really helped my my groups. 1633 01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:07,920 Speaker 1: So I've been happy with those still using them. And 1634 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll keep evolving what arrows I choose and 1635 01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,920 Speaker 1: it will change with my different bow setups to um. 1636 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,080 Speaker 1: But for me, that's something that I trust, I have 1637 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,479 Speaker 1: been happy with. So what about broadheads. We haven't talked 1638 01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:22,639 Speaker 1: about broadheads. That seems everyone gets fired off about. Man, 1639 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:28,479 Speaker 1: there's so many different broadheads out there, and I'll tell 1640 01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:33,040 Speaker 1: you right now, I don't use rage broadheads because everybody 1641 01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:37,200 Speaker 1: else uses rage broadheads. I hate their commercials and I'm 1642 01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,439 Speaker 1: just like, they're just like it's like throwing an axe 1643 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,240 Speaker 1: through an animal, Like I don't. I don't like it. 1644 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't like there's you talk to. Everybody you talked to, 1645 01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:52,480 Speaker 1: they either love rage or they freaking hate Rage. There's 1646 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,840 Speaker 1: there's nobody I've ever talked to that's like, uh yeah, Rage, 1647 01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,400 Speaker 1: They're okay. They either hate them or they love them. 1648 01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,800 Speaker 1: So for that reason, I just don't don't use them. 1649 01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:05,559 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know why I brought that up, 1650 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,320 Speaker 1: but it's just something that I see their commercials all 1651 01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,800 Speaker 1: the time. I'm just like, anyway, I'm about to blow 1652 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,559 Speaker 1: your mind, you're shooting rage I am that guy who 1653 01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,680 Speaker 1: does not hate them but does not love them. You, 1654 01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:26,759 Speaker 1: my friend, are one in a million people. You're wow, 1655 01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,200 Speaker 1: nice to meet you. Yeah, I'm glad I could be 1656 01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:34,360 Speaker 1: the first. You know. That's It's another one of those 1657 01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,720 Speaker 1: things that for me, I guess I'm kind of you know, 1658 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,160 Speaker 1: as much that I'd like to push things technologically, I 1659 01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,920 Speaker 1: also have like some degree of just comfort with things. 1660 01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,519 Speaker 1: And once I get comfortable with something, if it's worked 1661 01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,120 Speaker 1: for me, I'm hesitant to change it unless there's something 1662 01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,080 Speaker 1: like super super compelling that pushes me. So when it 1663 01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,519 Speaker 1: comes to Rage, like I just started shooting Rage a 1664 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,120 Speaker 1: long time ago, probably because the commercials, and I don't 1665 01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,479 Speaker 1: particularly care for it now either. Um, but it's just 1666 01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,559 Speaker 1: what I shot and it just worked me and I 1667 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:05,240 Speaker 1: love the blood trails. Um. But like I I want 1668 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,759 Speaker 1: to change. I think I want to try something else, 1669 01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,760 Speaker 1: but I just haven't. Um. So I'm waiting for someone 1670 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,040 Speaker 1: to wow me with a reason why I really need 1671 01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,280 Speaker 1: to try something else. And I probably will try some 1672 01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,000 Speaker 1: different things because I know the inherent risk of something 1673 01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,560 Speaker 1: like an expandable like Rage is you know, if you 1674 01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:22,439 Speaker 1: get that shoulder blade shot or something, you're just not 1675 01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,760 Speaker 1: gonna You're not gonna get the penetration um. But as 1676 01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,280 Speaker 1: long as I can put the arrow where it needs 1677 01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,760 Speaker 1: to go, I do feel very confident if I put 1678 01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,160 Speaker 1: it in the right place, that thing is going to 1679 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,880 Speaker 1: tear a big hole in it and that will do 1680 01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,599 Speaker 1: the job. So with a majority of broadhage, yeah, yeah, exactly. 1681 01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,200 Speaker 1: If you put in the right place, it doesn't matter. 1682 01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:44,840 Speaker 1: So I've used I'm I'm currently using spitfire an ap spitfires. 1683 01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,240 Speaker 1: I went away from them because there was a there 1684 01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:53,080 Speaker 1: was a product out there called Epic Broadheads. It was 1685 01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,400 Speaker 1: all the blades were completely enclosed in the housing. That 1686 01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:03,360 Speaker 1: company never gained traction. They're out of business, and in 1687 01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,400 Speaker 1: my opinion, one of the best broadheads and one of 1688 01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:10,960 Speaker 1: the best new technology to ever come to the archery 1689 01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,960 Speaker 1: hunting industry in a very long time. They didn't have 1690 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,000 Speaker 1: the money to properly you know, my opinion is they 1691 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,640 Speaker 1: didn't have the money to properly market the product. I 1692 01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,720 Speaker 1: think another thing is they had too many chieves, not 1693 01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:28,320 Speaker 1: enough Indians type of type of deal and and they 1694 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,160 Speaker 1: might have been outdone in the marketing standpoint from some 1695 01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,800 Speaker 1: of the other big, big name companies. So that you know, 1696 01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,559 Speaker 1: that's the example I mentioned earlier. But like you said, 1697 01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,800 Speaker 1: and especially for my arrow set up, my broad head 1698 01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,639 Speaker 1: is a spitfire, my arrow is a full metal jacket. 1699 01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:50,479 Speaker 1: I'm using Blazer veins, and I just feel comfortable with 1700 01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:53,519 Speaker 1: that set up in the way my bow shoots. That 1701 01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:55,240 Speaker 1: It's one of those things in the back of your 1702 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,479 Speaker 1: head every time you enter the timber part of hunting 1703 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,639 Speaker 1: is feeling comfortable and feeling confident in that hunt, knowing 1704 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:05,960 Speaker 1: that when the moment comes, you're gonna you're gonna kill. 1705 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,400 Speaker 1: And it's even it's a mental game. Your gear has 1706 01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,360 Speaker 1: to play in with that as well. I think, oh yeah, 1707 01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,800 Speaker 1: there's so many things that can go wrong in a hunt. 1708 01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,639 Speaker 1: I want to know that everything that I'm bringing out 1709 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,280 Speaker 1: there with me will not cause an issue. I need 1710 01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:20,960 Speaker 1: to have full confidence in it, just like you said, 1711 01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,040 Speaker 1: because we put so much time, so much effort, so 1712 01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,800 Speaker 1: much of ourselves into this that a gear failure is 1713 01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:32,040 Speaker 1: it's unacceptable. So and I don't give gear. I typically 1714 01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,920 Speaker 1: don't give gear second chance if it fails. It's probably 1715 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:40,320 Speaker 1: true for a lot of people. Yeah, I think, um, 1716 01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,679 Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of and and sometimes 1717 01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,320 Speaker 1: it's a good thing. Sometimes it's a bad thing though 1718 01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,200 Speaker 1: too right, because if if a one time issue might 1719 01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:51,400 Speaker 1: sour the overall reputation of a product for that person, Um, 1720 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,560 Speaker 1: when maybe you know nine times that ten, that's a 1721 01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,000 Speaker 1: great product and would work better than all the others 1722 01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:58,400 Speaker 1: you tried. But yeah, that's that's just human nature. I 1723 01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:01,080 Speaker 1: guess would judge things based on our own personal anc 1724 01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:05,479 Speaker 1: donal experiences. So UM that said, even though I do shoot, 1725 01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,559 Speaker 1: jumping back to the broadhead thing, even though I do 1726 01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:12,559 Speaker 1: shoot a rage, I did use um a Muzzy tro 1727 01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:17,120 Speaker 1: Car fixed blade to go out elk hunting, and that 1728 01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,040 Speaker 1: worked really well for me. It flew real nice. I 1729 01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,000 Speaker 1: had a four yard shot at my elk and UM 1730 01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,759 Speaker 1: got full penetration blew through them, and I've been happy 1731 01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:28,080 Speaker 1: with that. So that's something I have will be using 1732 01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,040 Speaker 1: probably out West again this year. And I'm continuing to 1733 01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,320 Speaker 1: experiment with fixed blades. I need to. I think I 1734 01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,240 Speaker 1: want to try some different fixed blades and see what 1735 01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,320 Speaker 1: works for me. So that's something I'll continue to explore. 1736 01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,920 Speaker 1: And that's definitely one thing that this new Western hunt 1737 01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:46,920 Speaker 1: that we're going on in September, I I'm in. I'm 1738 01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,160 Speaker 1: in complete research mode right now, because I still have 1739 01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:51,960 Speaker 1: a ton of gear I have to get for this trip, 1740 01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:57,599 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm doing my research. I'm not I'm not 1741 01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:02,599 Speaker 1: using anybody else's real opinion on a purchase except for 1742 01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, someone who I can trust, or my own research, 1743 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:12,479 Speaker 1: my own, my own experiences. Yeah, it's a that's a 1744 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,200 Speaker 1: fun but sometimes stressful process, especially when you're gearing up 1745 01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,760 Speaker 1: for something totally new, like you are in big it's 1746 01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,960 Speaker 1: a big deal. If your gear doesn't work out there, 1747 01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,800 Speaker 1: you're not hunting. I mean, you're you're walking back to 1748 01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,719 Speaker 1: your truck, right And this is your once a year, 1749 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, or for some people, once in a lifetime 1750 01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to go out on a big Western hunt or 1751 01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,840 Speaker 1: something like that. Um, you know, in those cases or 1752 01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:40,040 Speaker 1: any you know, for any situation, but especially that kind 1753 01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,479 Speaker 1: of situation. Um, if your gear is the reason why 1754 01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:48,360 Speaker 1: you're not successful, UM, that's just to me, it's unacceptable. 1755 01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,200 Speaker 1: You just can't have something that's going to keep you 1756 01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:54,960 Speaker 1: from reaching whatever your goals are. Um. But you know, 1757 01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,000 Speaker 1: we all kind of learned as we go, and that's 1758 01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,040 Speaker 1: an evolving process of figuring out what will work and 1759 01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,439 Speaker 1: what won't. So hopefully, hopefully us rambling here for an 1760 01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:05,719 Speaker 1: hour and a half sharing our own personal opinions, hopefully 1761 01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:07,719 Speaker 1: that helps a little bit. Um. I think it's safe 1762 01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,439 Speaker 1: to say that anything we've talked about here, you might 1763 01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,120 Speaker 1: have different opinions on it, you might have different experiences 1764 01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,360 Speaker 1: with it, um, But at least you will know that 1765 01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,080 Speaker 1: two guys, your two friends, Mark and Dan, at least 1766 01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,800 Speaker 1: you'll know that these are a couple of things we 1767 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,360 Speaker 1: trust and that we've had success with. And if that's 1768 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,080 Speaker 1: helpful at all to you, UM, I hope that that will, 1769 01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,839 Speaker 1: at least, you know, helps a few of your decisions 1770 01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,559 Speaker 1: in the future. At least maybe we'll give you some 1771 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,200 Speaker 1: things to think about when you're making some decisions of 1772 01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,880 Speaker 1: your own. So what I would like is to hear 1773 01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,639 Speaker 1: from you guys on what products may have worked good 1774 01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:43,960 Speaker 1: for you, because I am I'm the type of person where, yeah, 1775 01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:48,200 Speaker 1: I I feel comfortable with certain items, but if there's 1776 01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,800 Speaker 1: a product out there that will work better than what 1777 01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:54,200 Speaker 1: I currently have, I'm all for it. Yeah. Yeah, we 1778 01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,320 Speaker 1: definitely will look to hear that it's It's gear is 1779 01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,519 Speaker 1: one of those things that we love to debate. People 1780 01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,479 Speaker 1: always love to debate the different merits and so I 1781 01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,559 Speaker 1: would love to hear everyone's perspective. Feel free to go 1782 01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:07,800 Speaker 1: to wired hunt dot com slash episode fifty two. If 1783 01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:09,680 Speaker 1: there's something that you really want to share with us, 1784 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:11,679 Speaker 1: a piece of gear that we didn't mention at all, 1785 01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:13,880 Speaker 1: or maybe something we did mention you disagree with us, 1786 01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,760 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear it or hit us up on 1787 01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:20,080 Speaker 1: Twitter or Facebook. Two. Um, and I think one other 1788 01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:24,080 Speaker 1: quick thing before we wrap up. Um, but I think 1789 01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,240 Speaker 1: all the gear in the world, all the most expensive 1790 01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,639 Speaker 1: gear in the world, won't make a lick of difference 1791 01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,600 Speaker 1: if you're not doing the other things related to the 1792 01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:36,880 Speaker 1: hunt itself right in the first place. So don't ever 1793 01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,439 Speaker 1: look at gear or expensive gear, fancy gear, whatever, some 1794 01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:44,519 Speaker 1: special product. It's never gonna be the the cure all. 1795 01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,320 Speaker 1: It's never going to solve all your problems. It's never 1796 01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:48,760 Speaker 1: going to be a crutch. Um. You need to be 1797 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,599 Speaker 1: hunting smart, you need making the right decisions, and you 1798 01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,240 Speaker 1: need to be working hard. And if you do those things, 1799 01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,240 Speaker 1: then all of your gear can can help you. And 1800 01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,240 Speaker 1: making sure you make the right decisions with gear can 1801 01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,880 Speaker 1: make sure that that gear doesn't, you know, create an 1802 01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,840 Speaker 1: unnecessary failure. But don't look as it. Don't look at 1803 01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:08,519 Speaker 1: it as something that's gonna, you know, make or break 1804 01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,000 Speaker 1: your success. More so, you should be doing all the 1805 01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,920 Speaker 1: right things first and then gear should just work. Ye. 1806 01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:18,960 Speaker 1: So I daan, that's my two cents on gear. Let's 1807 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,719 Speaker 1: shut her down. Let's shut her down. So my wife 1808 01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,120 Speaker 1: water just broke. She did. No, that's that would be cool. 1809 01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:28,800 Speaker 1: I'd be cool if we ended the story is like, 1810 01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:32,040 Speaker 1: gotta go, water just broke. That would be a heck 1811 01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:35,240 Speaker 1: of an ending. For a second there, my jaw dropped, 1812 01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:39,120 Speaker 1: was like, seriously, that just happened. Um, but heck, maybe 1813 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:40,800 Speaker 1: we will have a baby story next week. That'd be 1814 01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,080 Speaker 1: pretty cool. There is a chance that by the time 1815 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,960 Speaker 1: this episode is there, this episode here is there's a 1816 01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,840 Speaker 1: Dan Junior running around Dallas fort Worth Jr. Is that 1817 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,839 Speaker 1: what you're gonna name him? Yep? Dallas Dallas fort Worth Johnson. 1818 01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,519 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's good. That's awesome. Do you believe me? 1819 01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,639 Speaker 1: I really do. I can see you doing that for sure, 1820 01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:03,320 Speaker 1: you would do that. I would. But my wife, your wife, 1821 01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:08,400 Speaker 1: that's always the wild card, isn't it. All Right? We 1822 01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,040 Speaker 1: broke a personal record for the longest podcast today, so 1823 01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,000 Speaker 1: we better get get out of here. We gotta shut 1824 01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:16,840 Speaker 1: this down. So if you want any more information or 1825 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:18,599 Speaker 1: links to some of the things we talked about, there's 1826 01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,639 Speaker 1: some different articles I've written in the past and wired 1827 01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,519 Speaker 1: to Hunt to talk about some of these things. We 1828 01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,880 Speaker 1: will have links to those things at wired to hunt 1829 01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:29,360 Speaker 1: dot com. Slash episode fifty two. And you know, we 1830 01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,280 Speaker 1: mentioned this a lot, but if you've been enjoying the 1831 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,519 Speaker 1: show and you haven't done this yet, we have a 1832 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,200 Speaker 1: small favorite ask if you could lay leave us a 1833 01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:39,479 Speaker 1: rating or review on iTunes. It's a huge help. Um, 1834 01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,200 Speaker 1: that's how people decide whether or not to try giving 1835 01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,519 Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast to try, and when they 1836 01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,200 Speaker 1: see your honest reviews there, it really helps them figure out, 1837 01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:48,639 Speaker 1: you know, is this worth an hour of my time? 1838 01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:51,840 Speaker 1: Hopefully this has been worth your time lots of times, 1839 01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,960 Speaker 1: so we appreciate you, you know, leaving that honest rating 1840 01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,120 Speaker 1: review on iTunes. Also, as always, we would like to 1841 01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:01,800 Speaker 1: thank our partners who do help make this show possible. Um, 1842 01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:03,800 Speaker 1: it's not you know, it takes a lot of time, 1843 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,040 Speaker 1: it takes money, it takes energy to keep this thing 1844 01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,840 Speaker 1: coming up every week and all the other things we 1845 01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,799 Speaker 1: do on Wired Hunt. So big props to these companies 1846 01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,519 Speaker 1: for stepping up and helping that actually be possible. So 1847 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,719 Speaker 1: thank you too, Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, 1848 01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:22,040 Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds, Hunt, Terra Maps, Osonics, Carbon Express, Lacrosse Boots, 1849 01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,840 Speaker 1: and the White Tail Institute of North America. And finally, 1850 01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,559 Speaker 1: and most importantly, thank you to all of you guys 1851 01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:32,080 Speaker 1: and girls joining us today. Your time, your support, your feedback, 1852 01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,680 Speaker 1: all of it. We just appreciate it so much. So 1853 01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,320 Speaker 1: have an awesome week, enjoy some time in the great outdoors, 1854 01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,880 Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.