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Speaker 1: told his pregnant girlfriend, Taylor's shoemaker, another story that he

425
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: was going out of town for a few days to

426
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: work with Wayne. Detectives from Florida arrived in Hillsborough, Missouri,

427
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: weeks after Jimmy and Wayne returned from their trip. They

428
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: confronted Wayne about that tip placing him in Florida. He

429
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: shut them down, but a GPS exposed a lot of

430
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: what they needed to know. Did anybody notice the nickname

431
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: Jimmy the Hammer rogers to Jason Ocean's New York defensitory.

432
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. She's murdered with a ballpeen hammer, a claw hammer,

433
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: and I will never get a murder case. And the

434
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: defendant came into court with the word the letters hit

435
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: man number one shaved into the back of his head. Okay,

436
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: I was so happy. I immediately moved all of my

437
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: posters and all of my stuff that I was going

438
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: to show the jury to the other side of the

439
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: defense table, so that defendant would have to keep turning

440
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: around and looking at it so the jury could see

441
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: the back of his head. I was. I could not

442
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: have been happier in that moment. That's a nancy, that's

443
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: that's a that's shrewd lawyering right there. You gotta love

444
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: when the defendant pluck gen already helping you convict him

445
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: without just by showing up with whatever tattoo or you know,

446
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: haircutting into his head, and you know, we would be

447
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: reading that out and when at the beginning, when you

448
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: strike a jury, you've got to read the indictment out loud.

449
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: The prosecutor does in front of the jury, and I

450
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: would be reading a ka the hammer, pause Paul's look

451
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: around the courtroom, and keep reading, how the hey did

452
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: it get here? Listen to Mark Siever's step sister Heart

453
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: met his future wife in two thousand and three when

454
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: he was visiting Saint Petersburg, Florida. Pretty much love at

455
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: first sight. Well, I think by the time that he

456
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: introduced her to Mom, I think he was pretty much done.

457
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: So he was off the market efficiently. Yeah, really he

458
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: was working as a nurse while she was a recently

459
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: divorced physician. Teresa hung the moon. She was a remarkable

460
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: human being and very special. And that's the way Mark

461
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: treated it from the beginning. Could just you could hear

462
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: it in his voice. They were married on the beach,

463
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: surrounded by friends and family, including stepmother Jenny Weckelman. Was

464
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: a sunset wedding, and she had a beautiful gown. Was

465
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: very nice. Was he happy on that day? Oh, my gosh,

466
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: he was very happy. Six months later, their daughter, Josephine

467
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: was born. The Receivers built a large house in Benita Springs,

468
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: and in two thousand and seven welcomed another daughter, Carmela.

469
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: How did Mark feel about being a dad that was

470
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: everything to him? They were his reason for for being?

471
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: How did Mark feel about being a dad that was

472
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: everything to him? They were his reason for for for being,

473
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: his reason for being. Well, here's the kicker with that,

474
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, if you truly believe your children

475
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: are your reason for being? And when I look at

476
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: the twins, everything else I've ever done pales in comparison.

477
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: The last thing you would do is to hurt their parents.

478
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: Their father or their mother. So you know, I find

479
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: that a very warped view. Well, Nancy, there's a saying

480
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: in my field idealization always leads to devaluation. Okay, White

481
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: a minute, White a minute, Doctor Bethany, Please don't throw

482
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: a lot of big words on us. Okay, we're just

483
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: mere mortals. Except for you and Gallagher, the rest of

484
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: us are just regular peeps. What did you just say?

485
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: Idealization leads to devaluation. So people who are more sociopathic,

486
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: which it appears Mark is he puts up profile, they

487
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: tend to idealize their love objects at first, but the

488
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: minute they get their feelings hurt or they feel betrayed

489
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: or mistrustful, then they viciously devalue them. So when somebody

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00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: comes into my office and says, oh, doctor Marshall, you're

491
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: so great, you're so wonderful, there's nobody like you. If

492
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: they put me on a pedestal, they're going to know

493
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: me right off within a few days. So I think

494
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: just because he thought she hung the moon doesn't mean

495
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: he was able to sustain attachment and love. That's what

496
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm hearing. Well, I got to agree with Jason notions

497
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: on this thing. Follow the money. Take a listen. When

498
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: investigators uncovered five life insurance policies for Teresa totally more

499
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: than four million dollars, it was a red flag. So

500
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: was that trip Mark made to Missouri to be Waynwright's

501
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: best man. And, as it turns out, the other suspect,

502
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: Jimmy Ray Rogers, was also a wedding guest. Investigators wondered

503
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: if that's where Mark hatched a plan with the two men.

504
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: Taylor's shoemaker. Jimmy's girlfriend claimed this was a murder for hire,

505
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: and that Jimmy was supposed to be paid ten thousand dollars.

506
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: And as I was made money and it was murdering,

507
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: he said, hired Wayne, yes, and lay hired him marked

508
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about him maybe, and hired supposed to

509
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: come from insurance from her. No, you're hearing, are moriarty

510
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: and you're hearing audio of an interview with a girlfriend,

511
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: a girlfriend of Jimmy Rogers. You know to Jason Ocean's

512
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: your defense attorney. We hear of husband wife privilege, attorney

513
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: client privilege, priest, parishioner of privilege, doctor patient privilege. There

514
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: is no boyfriend girlfriend privilege. If you yat and glad

515
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: to your girlfriend. You might as well just go ahead

516
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: and write that in the indictment because nothing is going

517
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: to keep that testimony out of evidence, that's for sure.

518
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: And just thinking of and seemingly if he's admitted to

519
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: being complicit in the murder, do you really, as you

520
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: evaluate your relationship with the hammer, want to stay in

521
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: that relationship? Right? Don't you want to get out yourself?

522
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: So exactly, no boyfriend, girlfriend, privilege, no contract, no nothing,

523
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: So let it all in. I mean, really, it's a

524
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: story old is time doctor Tim Gallagher, Medical Examiner, State

525
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: of Florida. When you get let's just say, a mom,

526
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: a wife murdered, or the husband the father, I mean,

527
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: how many times do you learn the spouse is involved? Well,

528
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: just two things to say before that, you know, and

529
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: I empathize with you when you said that you were

530
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with your caseload when you were with the DA's department,

531
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you found an avenue that gives

532
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: the rest of us and forensic a voice to express

533
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: on this media. And the second thing is, you know

534
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: these people had gone to Walmart to purchase their things.

535
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how many cases I had where just

536
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: before a murder was committed or somebody became a victim,

537
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: that Walmart was involved. The last thing I did was

538
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: make a purchase at Walmart. And I just want to

539
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: make a point that not a lot of nice things

540
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: have been said about Walmart, but they do provide a

541
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: lot of surveillance video and information that do bring a

542
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: lot of these people to jest to doctor Gallagher, You're

543
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: so awesome. I mean, Jeff Cortes, He's right. I thank

544
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: god at least every other week for Target and Walmart,

545
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: because I always say, Nasca Lauren a thing or two

546
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: from them. There's surveillance video is so awesome. I mean,

547
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean, here's an example, Tod Mom, Casey Anthony Dear.

548
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: I drag her into this, but there she is buying

549
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: beer and push up bras with a forged check. I

550
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: think it was at Target while Lila Kelly was quote

551
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: missing quote. I mean, that's an example. When Cherish Pierry

552
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: Winkle was abducted from a Walmart superstore, the video shows

553
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: her killer walking out the door with her. I mean,

554
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: I could go on and on and on about, as

555
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher says, Walmart and all of the supplies. You know,

556
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: I hate to give any tips, but the killers ever

557
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: think of going, say a week or a month ahead

558
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: of time? Why is it the day of the day

559
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: before and they're always busted Jason. The crazy thing, Nancy,

560
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: And I've always said this, Uh, you know, just in

561
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: the context of you know, the criminal defense world is

562
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: most most criminals aren't smart. Uh. They might be opportunists

563
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: at times depending upon the crime, but they're not smart

564
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: and that's why they get caught. Uh. So you know,

565
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: continue to uh surveil to an extent in society. But yeah,

566
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: God bless Walmart for its cameras and Target as well.

567
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: What about it, Cortes FBI. I guess the FBI works

568
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: hand in hand with Walmart and Target. They should. It's

569
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: funny that doctor Gallagher Gallerer brought that up. I was

570
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing about walm when when we were

571
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: learning of that. So, you know, absolutely right, Walmart has

572
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: been a great partner as far as that. But you know,

573
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: whether it's safe way any grocery store CCTV is is

574
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: everywhere these days. So I mean, once we identify a

575
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: person and we're a location, we could start working back

576
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: from there and start piecing things together that you know,

577
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: after you look back on it, you can't help it

578
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: looking off. Cheryl McCollum plays the shopping list. You gotta

579
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: be stupid to not realize you're using a credit card

580
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: and your own camera and you just left the hammer

581
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: at the crime change. I mean these are genius too

582
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: that he is apparently employeed to do them. He didn't

583
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: have this fine to do well. I mean he may

584
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: be a computer whiz, but he ain't that smart. He's

585
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: not the sharpest tool in the toolbox. Take to listen

586
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: to this. The children are with the Tertas and we

587
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: have approved to home study for place the events with them.

588
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: And there are also other people that have come forward

589
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: to act as respect characters for the children. The investigation

590
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: also the existence of life insurance policies and amount approaching

591
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: four point four three million dollars. Yeah, after David also

592
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: disclosed to the life insurance policy was in part detectives

593
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: still didn't have the proof they needed to connect Mark

594
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: to his wife, Teresa's murder. And then almost eight months

595
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: after Teresa Receivers was killed, Wayne Wright, facing a possible

596
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: death sentence, suddenly turned on his brother from another mother

597
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: and he took a deal. Mister Wright, why are you

598
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: pleading guilty today to second degree murder? Wayne admitted killing Teresa.

599
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm pleading guilty because of my role and the planning

600
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: and participating of the murders Teresa Severs. And do you

601
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: accuse Mark Sievers of being the mastermind? That's all police needed? Mark,

602
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: Did you hire Wayne Wright to kill your wife? Mark

603
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Severs was charged with the murder of his wife. Did

604
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: you hire anyone to kill your wife? Bomb shell core

605
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: documents that we could obtain allege Teresa Severs cash strapped

606
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: husband hired her killers to get four point five million

607
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: dollars life insurance policy. To Amanda Hall WI and KTV

608
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: Fort Myers, where does the case stand now? Well, Nancy,

609
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: the case is scheduled a good of trial today, but

610
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: that's for Mark Severs and Jimmy Rogers. They're both scheduled

611
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: to start trial at the same time under the same judge.

612
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: So obviously that's not going to happen. But what's unclear

613
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: is whose child's going to start first. We wait as

614
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: justice unfolds. We will have eyes and ears in that

615
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: Florida courtroom as we seek justice for doctor Teresa Sievers

616
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: and her two little girls. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing

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00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,