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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.

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Speaker 1: On the side. We are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and ninety,

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Speaker 1: airing in late February of twenty twenty three. Sarah is

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Speaker 1: going to be interviewing Chelsea Myers, who is a wonderful

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Speaker 1: longtime member of the Best of Both Worlds community. She's

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Speaker 1: a Patreon member. We just do a little shout out

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Speaker 1: for our Patreon group here. We are having some awesome discussions.

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Speaker 1: Both are live meetups and we have a discussion forum

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Speaker 1: going online where we are engaged in three or four

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Speaker 1: active conversations each week about different topics. Anyway, Chelsea a

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Speaker 1: very active member there, and so we wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: listeners that we want lots more regular people on this

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Speaker 1: show who could share how they make work and life

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Speaker 1: fit together. And Chelsea's a great example of that, of

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Speaker 1: how her career and various career aspirations have evolved over time,

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Speaker 1: and also how she makes time for running, because Chelsea

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Speaker 1: is a dedicated and fast runner. So, Sarah, why don't

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Speaker 1: you tell us, since you did the interview, why don't

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Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about Chelsea. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: I actually met Chelsea in person once, I believe in

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Speaker 1: But the reason we had connected in the first place,

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Speaker 1: that she had a running blog that I read, and

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Speaker 1: She's so much faster than I am. She qualified for

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Speaker 1: So she is awesome. She's motivating and inspiring and also

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Speaker 1: and you know she's a fellow Floridians, so that's very well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we're looking forward to hearing from Chelsea. And you know,

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Speaker 1: probably be some great advice for you as well. So

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Speaker 1: hear from Chelsea. I am so excited to welcome Chelsea

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Speaker 1: Myers the best of both worlds today as I told

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited for this. Hello Chelsea, Hi, I'm really

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Speaker 1: a little bit on that journey. Sure, and first of all,

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Speaker 1: it just was. So we had our move and when

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Speaker 1: we moved, they offered to let me work remotely, and

433
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Speaker 1: I said, sure, you know, I am six months pregnant.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get a new job when we

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Speaker 1: moved down there. So I started working remotely and I

436
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Speaker 1: found that to be a very difficult transition. I knew

437
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Speaker 1: I was going to have another baby, and I didn't

438
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Speaker 1: want to go back to work so soon. And I

439
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Speaker 1: was just getting to the point where I was a

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Speaker 1: little bit I don't know, I felt like I kind

441
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Speaker 1: of it was almost ten years. Well, no, I guess

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Speaker 1: I wasn't. It was a little more than six years.

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'd kind of done it, like

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Speaker 1: I had learned what I was going to learn. I'd

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Speaker 1: done what I was going to do, and I was

446
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Speaker 1: ready to do something different. And I thought, well, I

447
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Speaker 1: always liked teaching. When then I go back to do teaching.

448
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Speaker 1: So I interviewed at a couple community colleges here and one,

449
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: and I tell you, these people, their HR department need

450
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: to give all those interviewers a gold star because I

451
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Speaker 1: went in and did my teaching demo at thirty nine

452
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Speaker 1: weeks pregnant. No one said a word about it, so

453
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Speaker 1: gold star to them. So anyway, I went from full

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Speaker 1: time to a project working on a project basis with

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Speaker 1: the lab, the ophymology Lab, and then not that spring,

456
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Speaker 1: but the summer after that, I started teaching, and so

457
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Speaker 1: I was teaching part time for a few years. I

458
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Speaker 1: did some online, some in person. Basically every math class

459
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Speaker 1: they had, I taught mostly statistics, a lot of college algebra. Boy,

460
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Speaker 1: oh boy, I can factor an equation. Man. Then I

461
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Speaker 1: started working at the teaching part time at the small

462
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Speaker 1: liberal arts college that my husban then was at, and

463
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Speaker 1: I was really hoping that I could get hired as

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Speaker 1: a lecturer there. So I don't have a PhD, so

465
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Speaker 1: the position I would take would be mainly teaching rather

466
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Speaker 1: than teaching and research. Well, that was all going great.

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Speaker 1: We were adding new sections of that class I was

468
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Speaker 1: teaching biostatistics, and then the pandemic happened and they said

469
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Speaker 1: we're not going to have any more lectures or anywhere

470
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Speaker 1: at jug City War. So the writing was on the

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Speaker 1: wall like that, trajectory that I tried to build towards

472
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Speaker 1: was not open. But at the same time, there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of new online teaching opportunities. So finally, that

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Speaker 1: August after I guess I don't know how many years

475
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Speaker 1: it was that I had been just working part time,

476
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Speaker 1: I went back full time teaching statistics for a data

477
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Speaker 1: science boot camp. And part of that decision was, you know,

478
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Speaker 1: I'd been cobbling together basically a full time load out

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Speaker 1: of part time staff, and it was stressful. You know,

480
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Speaker 1: I had like this thing that I was teaching in

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Speaker 1: this place, and this thing that I was teaching in

482
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Speaker 1: this place, and it was like, it'll be a lot

483
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Speaker 1: simpler to have one thing I'm teaching one place, and

484
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Speaker 1: that was definitely true. So I worked there for almost

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Speaker 1: a year, and as these tech jobs go, there were

486
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Speaker 1: a bunch of layoffs, and I didn't get laid off then,

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Speaker 1: and I moved to a different company. I decided I

488
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Speaker 1: was ready to take a break from teaching because I

489
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Speaker 1: was teaching like three or four hours a day on

490
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Speaker 1: Zoom and that it just takes a lot out of you.

491
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Speaker 1: So I got a new job at another company that

492
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Speaker 1: did data science boot camp type education. Doing curriculum development,

493
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Speaker 1: which I really liked because that's its combination of writing

494
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Speaker 1: and data science, coming up with interesting examples and stuff.

495
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Speaker 1: So I did that all the way up until January

496
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Speaker 1: when I got laid off, which I knew was going

497
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Speaker 1: to happen, and they brought me back as a contractor

498
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Speaker 1: and right now I'm doing modeling for student retention with them.

499
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Speaker 1: So it's you know, and kind of tangential, but another

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Speaker 1: new thing. And yeah, so it's quite a journey, and

501
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: I think I think there was one thing left. Didn't

502
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Speaker 1: you also have like a little entrepreneurial venture. Oh goodness,

503
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: yes you were. Oh wow, yes, so for a while,

504
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Speaker 1: and sadly it is defunct. At this point that I

505
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: started a company called MCAT Math because so this was

506
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Speaker 1: when I was teaching like the biostats the pre med students,

507
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Speaker 1: and you can't use a calculator on the AMCAT, but

508
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Speaker 1: you have to do some like logarithm stuff and whatever,

509
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Speaker 1: and so I kind of wrote this guide and did

510
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Speaker 1: these videos about how to you know, do this kind

511
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Speaker 1: of math without a calculator, and I mean it was

512
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Speaker 1: kind of entertaining to do for a little while. And

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Speaker 1: then the website broke and I was like, I'm never

514
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Speaker 1: going to fix this and so no more mcat math.

515
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Speaker 1: But it was fun while I was like, this is

516
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Speaker 1: set in, I cannot come back and no. So the

517
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Speaker 1: reason I know about this, and this leads very much

518
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Speaker 1: into another thing I want to talk to you about

519
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Speaker 1: is because you are very intentional with your goal setting.

520
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Speaker 1: And the reason I know this is because every everybody

521
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Speaker 1: knows I am like a goals junkie and I will

522
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: read anybody's goals list. And Chelsea was continuing to publish

523
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Speaker 1: her goals list on her blog, which was password locked

524
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Speaker 1: at that time, but she gave me the password, and

525
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: I would like every so often, like it was still

526
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Speaker 1: on my Google readers, so it would pop up and

527
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I get to read Chelsea's goals

528
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: and they were always very interesting and very complete. And

529
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're still publishing them. At least

530
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: they don't pop up anymore unfortunately. But I feel like

531
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Speaker 1: people need to know about this because I feel like

532
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: you got a lot done. Yeah. So I was very

533
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Speaker 1: into the goal making list. No, actually my blog. I

534
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Speaker 1: finally it the hosting or whatever it was ending, and

535
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Speaker 1: I had made the decision in the end of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one not to put anything on there before. And

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Speaker 1: I can talk maybe in a minute about why I

538
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Speaker 1: ended up making the blog be password protected, but so no,

539
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: at last it is they funk, But I did. I

540
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: actually invested in printing the whole thing out. It took

541
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: two I love them, and it was not cheap. But

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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't lose this. I can't lose

543
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Speaker 1: all of this. So it's I don't know if I'll

544
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: ever look at it again, but it is on my shelf.

545
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: And if you have a blog and you want to

546
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: print it out, you can't do that. So your's what

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00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: be like volumes like the Incyclopedium, a room for yeah, wow, okay,

548
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: keep going. Yeah. So I don't know. I guess I

549
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: do very much subscribe to kind of the best of

550
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: both world's best, like plans sort of, I don't know,

551
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: thought process about life where there's a lot of stuff

552
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: I want to do, and I think I really benefited

553
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: from my mom was always very organized, and she taught

554
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: me the way that she planned things, which was basically

555
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: making to do lists, but she also kept a wall

556
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: calendar that she wrote things on. And I still use

557
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: a wall calendar, which people find is kind of funny,

558
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: but she buys me one every year for Christmas and

559
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: I write our you know, family things on there. But

560
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: she was really the one way back when I was

561
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: in grade school who kind of taught me the idea

562
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: of like, if you have a smelling test on Friday,

563
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: we start on Monday, and how do you pace yourself?

564
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: How do you not do everything at the last minute.

565
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: You know, if you've got to write a valentine for

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00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: every kid in your class, do five this day, five

567
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: this day, five this day. So I think it's probably

568
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: partly in my personality and partly fortunately something that someone

569
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Speaker 1: taught me at a young age. And so qualifying for

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00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: Boston was a big goal that took a really long time,

571
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: and just I don't know. I guess I think the

572
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: thing that I have to be careful about is taking

573
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Speaker 1: on fewer things than I would really like to do,

574
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: or pacing them. And back to my word of the year.

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00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: This year, it's pacing. Last year was endurance. This year

576
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: it's pacing and just keeping in mind that there's time

577
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Speaker 1: to do the things that are really important. If you

578
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: decide what's really important and can push aside or push

579
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: back the things that aren't really important right this very second.

580
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: Now that makes sense, sort of like an Oliver Berkman

581
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: style acknowledgment that you cannot do everything and that doesn't

582
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: necessarily mean pushing everything aside, but like it's okay, like

583
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: you can be loose about this and then just focus

584
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: on the things you love and just enjoy it exactly. Yes, awesome, Okay.

585
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Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted you to talk about was logistics,

586
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: because again in our quote Regular Person series people, and

587
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Speaker 1: when we when I like first you know, conceived the

588
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: best of both worlds, I thought we'd be doing more

589
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: of this than we do. So tell our listeners like,

590
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: how does division of labor work at your house? What

591
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: are your current childcare arrangements? And maybe take us through

592
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a day in the life

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00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: at Chelsea's house. Sure, yes, and I will say I

594
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Speaker 1: love the Regular Person episodes, so I I'm excited to

595
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: be a regular Person for you all. Okay, So my

596
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: job at least right now is very flexible. In fact,

597
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: the person that I report to is in works on

598
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: another continent, so we almost work night and day different.

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Speaker 1: So that's really nice because It's like I have instructions

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00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: when I wake up, and I report by the end

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00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: of the day, and that gives me a lot of

602
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: flexibility in what I do. And you know, sometimes are

603
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: busier than others. Fortunately, this is actually really easy week.

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00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: Last week was like crunch time. So I am kind

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00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: of physically able to pick up and do different things

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Speaker 1: depending on you know, just as long as I manage

607
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: my time and get everything done. And I'm fortunate that

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00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: I am usually able to just like sit down and

609
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: get stuffed downe Like I don't really get distracted or whatever.

610
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: I can like kind of crank stuff out. So I

611
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: have three kids at three different schools. They're all basically

612
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: on the same school schedule. Ish one gets starts at

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Speaker 1: eight thirty, one at eight forty five, and one at nine.

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Speaker 1: So my husband usually takes the one that has to

615
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: be there at eight thirty because he has to be driven.

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00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: He gets dropped off, and then he goes to work

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Speaker 1: because he has I mean, he's teaching, so he used

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00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: to physically be there, and then I take the younger

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Speaker 1: two because they're very close. One is like one hundred

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Speaker 1: feet from our house, the elementary schooler, and then the

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Speaker 1: preschoolers just down the road. I take him in the wagon,

622
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: and people around here know me as the wagon lady.

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Speaker 1: Like I met someone at a birthday party and they're like, what,

624
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: you're the wagon lady. That is me. I am the

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Speaker 1: wagon lady. So I'm going to be sad when he

626
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Speaker 1: goes to kindergarten next year. I can't be the wagon

627
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Speaker 1: lady anymore. But so get everybody dropped off, come back,

628
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Speaker 1: and then I like sit down and I work until

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Speaker 1: about two thirty, and then I go and I kind

630
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: of do the reverse. I get the youngest one, and

631
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Speaker 1: then I get the middle one who gets picked up

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Speaker 1: at three, and then depending on the day, I may

633
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: or may not get the big one. And then usually

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Speaker 1: we come home and they get kind of an hour

635
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: of screen time, which lets me wrap everything up. They

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00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: like to just veg then, and so usually that's about

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00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: four point thirty, and you know, I'll usually work maybe

638
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: an extra hour Monday, Tuesday and Thursday when I wake

639
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: up early, maybe get a little bit done on the weekends,

640
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: and so it kind of balances out over time. But

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00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: usually I'm able to wrap up about then, and then

642
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: we do extracurricular activities piano practice, guitar practice, homework, all

643
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: of the things. Our main child's care outside of school

644
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: is mostly family. And the reason for that and the

645
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: reason that I ended up, you know, taking my blog

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Speaker 1: offline and stuff, is my oldest son is on the

647
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Speaker 1: autism spectrum and that makes finding a childcare provider very difficult.

648
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: We have scared off a number of babysitters and understandably,

649
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: but so my in law has actually moved here after

650
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: the pandemic where my kids are their only grandkids, and

651
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: so they were ready to make a change and they

652
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: moved to Florida. So like my mother in law takes

653
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: my oldest son, he has an appointment every week, she

654
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: takes him to that and then you know, my parents

655
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: and my in laws step in a lot on school

656
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: holidays and stuff like that. Although he's actually pretty self sufficient.

657
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: In fact, he's here right now. This school had a

658
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: water main break, so he's doing something. But yeah, so

659
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: when we were going through that process of wondering, when

660
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: stuff started going sideways, it was such a huge part

661
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: of our lives that I didn't really feel like I

662
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: was ready to talk about. And that's kind of when

663
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: the blog went private. And then I just stopped posting

664
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: because I just wasn't really well. First we didn't know

665
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: what was happening, and then I wasn't really sure how

666
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it, because it's not something

667
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: he really wants all of his friends to know and

668
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, if you meet him, it's

669
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: not exactly a secret. But you know, he's ten. I

670
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: have to respect his feelings about stuff like that. So

671
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: as far as the vision of labor goes, you know,

672
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: I kind of end up doing a lot of the

673
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: stuff that requires a lot of flexibility. Though I will

674
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: say the fortunate thing about my husband's job is it's

675
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: on the academic calendar, so when he's not in class

676
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: or in a meeting, he does have a lot of flexibility.

677
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he can take the oldest in the morning.

678
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes he can pick him up in the afternoon. And

679
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't work super long days anymore. He actually did

680
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: when we very first started because they had an evening

681
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: program and that made for us all long days if

682
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: he was teaching at nine am and didn't finish until

683
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: nine pm. But fortunately that wound down. That was really tough.

684
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: So he cooks. He's our family chef, so that is

685
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: really nice. Part of that is because two nights a

686
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: week I go coach my son's trap team, and so

687
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: we don't get back until almost seven, so you know,

688
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: he has dinner ready for us and everything, which is

689
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: very nice. And he's a better cook than I am.

690
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: And I grew up in a family where my dad

691
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: was really the chef, so you know, to me, I'm like, yeah,

692
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: get man, get in the kitchen, put on your apron,

693
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 1: you know. But I don't know. Maybe that she could

694
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: edit it out, but no, I love it. I love it.

695
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: We're keeping it. Yeah, So that's great. I think for us.

696
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,959
Speaker 1: The best thing that happened as far as the vision

697
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: of labor is honestly when he got tenure and it

698
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: just like took a huge amount of work stress off

699
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: of his plate. So that made things easier. You know.

700
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: He didn't feel this pressure to like say yes to everything,

701
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: which that's a legitimate pressure, right. I don't want to

702
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: take anything away from that. He worked really hard to

703
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: get tenure, but there was definitely like the stress level win,

704
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: you know, and he was able to help out a

705
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: lot more, and so that was that was good. I

706
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: love it. Circling back to you know, the hard times

707
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: you went through when you were trying to figure out

708
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: what was going on with your own Do you have

709
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: any words of advice for listeners who might be facing

710
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: similar challenges in their families. So I would say, yeah,

711
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: my advice would be like ask. And so one of

712
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: the tensions that we had, my husband and I was

713
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: in the early days. It was really hard to tell

714
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: if his behavior was age appropriate or not, and you know,

715
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: we both just felt kind of differently about it. He

716
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: really wanted to wait and see kind of if he

717
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: would grow out of it, how things would go. And

718
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: I think in some ways that was probably helpful. I

719
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: think had we pushed it too hard when he was

720
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: too young, I think we might have gotten it confusing advice,

721
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: like we might have gotten well, you should wait, maybe

722
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: there's nothing, Whereas I was pretty sure pretty early on

723
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: something weird was going on. But I guess my advice

724
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: would be, like, you know, pursue it. Like something happened,

725
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: and it was enough of a shock to both of

726
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: us that we said, we kind of make an appointment

727
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: with our pediatrician, and we have a wonderful pediatrician. We

728
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: saw him and that started the process of you know,

729
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: we saw another specialist, and then once we saw that specialists,

730
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: we got another referral. And I think if you think

731
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: something's wrong, you know your kid, like pursue it and

732
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: that way because one of the things that we really

733
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: struggled with was like how do we manage this? And

734
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: the parenting books were not real helpful. One of my favorite,

735
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: favorite favorite things that Laura said is says that kid

736
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: didn't read the parenting manual. That kid did not read

737
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: the parenting manual. And once you really know what's going on,

738
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: once you have some real answers, you can actually you know,

739
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: focus your time constructively. And the things that we were

740
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: doing before not really that helpful. And now you know,

741
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: we're on a path that's much more helpful and we

742
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: were able to make changes that were really really positive

743
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: for him and for us. But yeah, just going back

744
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: to if you suspect something weird's going on, like definitely ask,

745
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: like trust your gut, because maybe it's nothing, but maybe

746
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: it's something and there's something you can really do about it.

747
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't fix it, it doesn't make it go away,

748
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: but it can make it better. Awesome. No, that's really

749
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: helpful because these things are so common and different variations

750
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: of things are so common that I think anybody feeling

751
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: less alone and hearing that others have been through it

752
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: can be super, super helpful. And one other thing that

753
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: I will say is you are not a bad parent,

754
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: because penny of people are going to make you feel

755
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: like a bad parent. I have been there. I have

756
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: felt some serious parenting shame. You are not a bad parent.

757
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: It is harder. It is harder. I have two normal children.

758
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: It is way harder. Yes, that is I think people

759
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: definitely need to hear that. Thank you. And then finally

760
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: love of the week. Yes, do you have anything running related? No,

761
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't running related. Well, you know I had two

762
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: that it were in the back of my mind. Well,

763
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: one I was going to do was our local, our

764
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: local children's theater because we actually saw a play last

765
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: week that was so lovely. I mean, we just have amazing,

766
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: amazing actors. I don't know if it's because it's we're

767
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: so close to Disney, but just like I mean, everything

768
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: that goes into these productions I love theater is just

769
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: so so good. We saw it was called Luciadora, So

770
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: if it comes to your theater, it's the story of

771
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: Mulan but told in nineteen sixties, which'll Lee Ray Wrestling,

772
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: and I mean it's like girl power and everything. It

773
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: was really really cute. So that was one. But I'll

774
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: give another running related love of the week, which is

775
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: a company called Sarah Marie Design Studio. She is an

776
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: individual who does graphic design, but she makes all these

777
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: really awesome running T shirts, hats, sweatshirts, all kinds of

778
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: different stuff. And actually, friends of Mine is just Valentine's

779
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: Day when we were recording, but a couple of my

780
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: friends sent me a Boston one for Gallantine's Day and

781
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. I mean it was

782
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: just so so lovely. And I tell you, the material

783
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: on those shirts, I have a million of them. It

784
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: is so soft and so light. So I can send

785
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: you a link to it. But Sarah Marie Design Studio

786
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: is definitely my reading love of the week. Awesome. Well,

787
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: my running love of the week is Strava because you

788
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: guys know, I'm not doing any social media and this

789
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: is like the closest thing to social media for me.

790
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: But I follow like a lot of my friends now,

791
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: and then I follow people like Chelsea, I follow previous

792
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: guests Emily Oustar, who's a really fast runner by the way,

793
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: and this is like, it doesn't suck me in the

794
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: way social media does, and thankfully, I guess I'm at

795
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: a place in my running journey where I don't find

796
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: it like triggering because I think I think a younger

797
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: me might have been more annoyed by it, like oh

798
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm slow. But now I just find it like inspiring

799
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: and fun. And so if you are a runner then

800
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: and you're not on Strava and you want to add

801
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: a little social aspect, there's a free version. I just

802
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: have the free version, although I did upgrade, but it's

803
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm like fully planning on canceling before the trial period

804
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: is over. So anyway, I'm on there. You can follow me,

805
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: I will follow you. It'll be great. Excellent. Well, Chelsea,

806
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. This was such

807
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: a fun conversation. I feel like we were just like

808
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: hanging out, and hopefully we can hang out at some

809
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: point and you can slow down and go for a

810
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: run with me when I'm ever up in Central Florida. Yeah. Absolutely, Well,

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00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: this has been so much fun, so thank you for

812
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: having me. Awesome. Have a great rest of your day. Bye. Well,

813
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: that was awesome, incredibly motivating. I always love to hear

814
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: from Chelsea about what she's doing with her life. So

815
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: today's question comes from a longtime listener of the Best

816
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: of Both Worlds podcast who has a question about dealing

817
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: with kid health needs. So both of her children have

818
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: underlying conditions and she needs to see specialists with them

819
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: several times each year, with the occasional procedure involved as that,

820
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: she said she tried Laura's tip on batching little things

821
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: on Friday afternoons, such as making appointments, but with doctor's offices,

822
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: she feels she is often leaving a message for them

823
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: to call her back, and they call me back while

824
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: she's gauged in something else, and it interrupts the flow,

825
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: and she's initiating a long game of phone tag and

826
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: hold times and automated options. Everyone hates the automated options

827
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: phone tree. Anyway, between scheduling the appointments, paying the bills,

828
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: planning for upcoming procedures, getting the kids their various appointments,

829
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: it feels like another job on top of everything else.

830
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: Do you have any tips for managing kids with moderate

831
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: to severe health needs? What of any of this can

832
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: be outsourced let her know. So, Sarah, what do you

833
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: since you're dealing with this obviously you know, yeah, I

834
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: do well from the provider, from the parents side, from

835
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: the provider side, yes, which I think might have some

836
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: valuable perspectives for this person, just because I kind of

837
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: get to see a lot of different situations and setups,

838
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: and I'd say, like, I do have some patients where

839
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: their primary issue is the issue they see me for,

840
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: like my Type one diabetes patients, and then I have

841
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: other patients who are just really really complex. Maybe they

842
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: were a former premium and they see six different specialists,

843
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: so juggling tons of different things. So the things that

844
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: I see that probably might be helpful, and you may

845
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: have already thought of many of these, So forgive me

846
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: if it's redundant, but definitely use the online portal if

847
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: there is one. Obviously every practice is different, but if

848
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: you're at a larger health system, a lot of them

849
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: have the ability to schedule appointments online and also to

850
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: do some asynchronous mexaging with your providers, both in terms

851
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: of like routine things like I need to refill of

852
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: this medicine, in which case hopefully the system has a

853
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: way that that will get like to the nurse or

854
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: a medical assistant rather than necessarily straight to the doctor.

855
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: But then also if there are like some short, you know,

856
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: straightforward medical questions, then I get those all the time,

857
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: and I expect them, and you know, within reason, like

858
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: I'm happy to answer those kinds of things. And I

859
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: think it's much easier for the parents and for myself

860
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: to get those messages in an online via our portal

861
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: versus like a phone call, because with a phone call,

862
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: someone leaves a message and then I end up leaving

863
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: message for them, and then like, honestly, it takes up

864
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: so much more mental space versus if I see it

865
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: in writing, I see it when I lug in and

866
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: I can just go ahead and give them an answer,

867
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: and if it's something really complicated, then I need to

868
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: bring them in for then I can facilitate setting up

869
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: that appointment. So I do feel like the online portal

870
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: can be a time saver for parents, And don't be

871
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: afraid to use it, because let me tell you, lots

872
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: of other people are using it, so you should not

873
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: be afraid to use it. Number two would be to

874
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: bulk schedule your appointments as far out as possible and

875
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: then as simultaneous possible. I know this is very challenging

876
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: and depending on where you live, like you might have

877
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: to see two uber specialists in very specific areas and

878
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: they might not even go to the same satellite office

879
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: on the same day. So I know that that can

880
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: be a pipe joint dream. But to the extent possible,

881
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: I would say build out your year's schedule of appointments

882
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: as much as you can, because that's going to give

883
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: you the most options I know for my like you know,

884
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: like working parents that have the least flexible schedules, Like

885
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: I can think of a couple attorneys who are really

886
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: aggressive and I respect it, where they're like, I need

887
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: eight A, I need your first appointment of the day

888
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: every three months scheduled for the entire year, and we're

889
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: happy to do that for them. So I would definitely

890
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: be very proactive about the scheduling. And then if you

891
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: have two specialists in the same building, see if you

892
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: can just have a doctor day and see them both,

893
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: even if there's a few hours apart. That may save

894
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: you more time than you know having to make that

895
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: track twice. And then you know you asked about outsourcing,

896
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: I think there's some things that are great to outsource.

897
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, picking up prescriptions, like managing like

898
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: when things are running low supplies that kind of a thing,

899
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: and even scheduling appointments honestly, to some extent, could probably

900
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: be outsourced if you have a great assistant. I know

901
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: that's not everybody, but you know, if you're lucky enough

902
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: to have one, they might be able to help you

903
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: with those kind of phone calls and things like that.

904
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: I will say, if it's a complicated child, if you're

905
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: able to come to most appointments, if you're the one

906
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: that does most of the care, that is helpful for

907
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: them to provide the best care for your kid, because

908
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: it can be really hard if you have like a

909
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: babysitter that brings the kid and they don't know the

910
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: details surrounding their specific case, then it could just be

911
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: really hard and not make the most productive use of

912
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: that time. We are absolutely happy to FaceTime parents, but

913
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: it just sometimes doesn't feel like the same. All that said,

914
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: I think as a stopgap measure, absolutely fine to do that.

915
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: I have done that on occasion with my own kids,

916
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: especially if it's something like I just want a strip test,

917
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: like I've sent our nanny to go ahead and get

918
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: that at Walgreens or wherever. But I think if they're

919
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: complex and you can be there, it is helpful. Or

920
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: if there is like a you know, a nanny that's

921
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: like with the kid twenty four to seven or not

922
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, but like during the day and

923
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: it's really familiar with the details of what, then that

924
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: might be just as good because honestly, they're going to

925
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: have as much inside information as you do if they're

926
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: the one managing the kid's insulin pump all day long. So, yeah,

927
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: those are my thoughts from the other side exactly. Yeah,

928
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, do a shout out for the online portal,

929
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: and you know, if you are doing a lot of this,

930
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: you you mentioned the batching time and how you're trying

931
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: to make the batching the little things work. And I

932
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: often suggest people create like an hour or two on

933
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: Friday that they go through their punch list. And as

934
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: she's pointing out, if she's making a lot of appointments

935
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: or trying to speak with a lot of doctors, this

936
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: can be difficult, but maybe she needs a longer batching window.

937
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: If she thinks of all of Friday as her batch time,

938
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean you won't get anything else done,

939
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: but it's that you're not trying to confine it to

940
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: two hours, like maybe you do your deeper work on

941
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: other days and then Friday is you know, you understand

942
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: everything's going to get interrupted. Because she mentioned the problem

943
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: of getting out of the flow, maybe think of Friday

944
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: mentally as when you do little tasks in general, both

945
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: your personal ones and your professional ones. I think you

946
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: could also generally have blocks of time where you aim

947
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: to do appointments first thing in the morning, even day

948
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: of the week if you sometimes you get lucky and

949
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: you get to choose right. So if you always think

950
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: of say Tuesday and Friday mornings as when you are

951
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: doing appointments, then you can feel a little bit more

952
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: relaxed about other times scheduling other things. Again, it's not

953
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: always going to work if somebody's got an eight months

954
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: lead time and appointments that you're desperately trying to see. Like,

955
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's really problems with supply and demand in

956
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: some particular specialist fields, and that's really unfortunate in its

957
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: own special thing that we can talk about of like

958
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: medical reimbursements or whatever else that you know, because we

959
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: talked about this earlier, Like you're trying to do IVF,

960
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: you can get an appointment at six am with a

961
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: provider very soon. You know, if your kid has some

962
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: other complex condition and you know, you may not be

963
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: able to get an appointment for a while, and that's

964
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: really too bad. But that's bigger issue with medicine in general.

965
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: Think about you can push for what times are most

966
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: convenient for you. I spoke, you know, not too long

967
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: ago with somebody with a parent of a child with

968
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: special needs and as a toddler, and like people are

969
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: offering her one thirty pm appointment. She's like, no, I'm

970
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: not going to take it. Like the kid wants to nap,

971
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: They're going to be miserable in the middle of this,

972
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: like medical appointment. You know that we've interrupted nap for

973
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: doing so just don't take it. Push back and think

974
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: about what would make the day better for you as well,

975
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: unless it's an absolute emergency, but yeah, those are just yeah.

976
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: And if you have a troublesome like a difficult experience

977
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: with a front death that just doesn't want to like

978
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: ask them when they tend to confirm appointments and when

979
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: cancelations tend to be available, and then be like, all right,

980
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: I'll be calling daily and probably they'll get sick of

981
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: hearing from you after a few calls, and you'll probably

982
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: get the time you want. That's another insider inside servation.

983
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: And there are for some things you are kind of

984
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: stuck with the providers who are in your community. But

985
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: if it's anything that there's multiple providers somewhat locally, you

986
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: might shop around and see if some practices are a

987
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: little bit more user friendly and in particular more working

988
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: parent friendly than others, because if you're going to be

989
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: dealing with them a lot, it's going to be aggravating

990
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: if every time it's a problem, so you know, might

991
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: be worse seeking that out. Kind of like our orthanonys,

992
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: we had so many options because there's a million, so

993
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: we were definitely were careful to find out about ours,

994
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: and then like the shortest drive from our house, that

995
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: was a big factor as well. Excellent, All right, well

996
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Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. Sarah has been

997
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Speaker 1: interviewing Chelsea Myers about combining work and life with intense running.

998
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Speaker 1: We will be back next week with more on making

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Speaker 1: work and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can

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Speaker 1: find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at

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