1
00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:11,160
Speaker 1: All media. It's it could happen here. The thing that's

2
00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,320
Speaker 1: happening is that Shinzo Wahabe is still dead one year on.

3
00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,680
Speaker 1: That man has not gone back from the dead. He

4
00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,000
Speaker 1: is still absolutely the most assassinated man of twenty twenty three,

5
00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,479
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. That well, you know, honestly, given how

6
00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,720
Speaker 1: assassinated he is, we're giving him the credit for being

7
00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,800
Speaker 1: the most assassinated man of twenty twenty three. And what's

8
00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,159
Speaker 1: interesting about this assassination, and we talked about I talked

9
00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,680
Speaker 1: about this really briefly in my sort of intro thing

10
00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,000
Speaker 1: to the last episode that we ran about the Abbe assassination.

11
00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,400
Speaker 1: But this has been maybe the most successful political assassination

12
00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,440
Speaker 1: not done by the CIA in the last like seventy years,

13
00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:55,440
Speaker 1: like absolutely stunningly incredibly successful political assassination because specifically of

14
00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,320
Speaker 1: the political impact that the assassination has had on the

15
00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,880
Speaker 1: Unification Church probably better known as the Moonies, and how

16
00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,639
Speaker 1: it's been forcing the sort of Unification Church aligned ruling

17
00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,640
Speaker 1: Liberal Democratic Party of Japan to like have a serious

18
00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,640
Speaker 1: of embarrassing scandals where they revealed their like incredible intertwinement

19
00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,960
Speaker 1: with the church apparatus and all of the culture they've

20
00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,120
Speaker 1: been doing. And with me to talk about this is

21
00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,160
Speaker 1: Alisa Majub, who's an ex Unification Church member who got

22
00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,280
Speaker 1: out and who works with Deeprogramming Imperialism, which is a

23
00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,600
Speaker 1: group that tells the sort of still untold story of

24
00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,640
Speaker 1: how the Unification Church has worked with the CIA and

25
00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,880
Speaker 1: the Korean CIA and enormous parts of the sort of

26
00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,360
Speaker 1: the apparatus of the American imperial war machine to cause

27
00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,560
Speaker 1: untold suffering on the world. Lisa, Welcome, Welcome to the show. Welcome,

28
00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,199
Speaker 1: welcome back.

29
00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,440
Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it. I'm glad to be back.

30
00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm excited to talk with you about this

31
00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,920
Speaker 1: because we didn't really There's been a lot of very

32
00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:01,880
Speaker 1: very interesting stuff happening in the last couple of months

33
00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,520
Speaker 1: in Japan. But in order to do that, I think

34
00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,560
Speaker 1: we need to we need to sort of talk about

35
00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,200
Speaker 1: what this assassination was actually about. So the shooter, Tetsuya Yamagami,

36
00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,720
Speaker 1: killed Abe because he couldn't get to a He was

37
00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,600
Speaker 1: trying to kill a high ranking Unification Church guy and

38
00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,440
Speaker 1: he like couldn't get to him. And the reason he

39
00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,480
Speaker 1: was trying to do this is that his mom had

40
00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,240
Speaker 1: given I think like seventy thousand yen to the church.

41
00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm getting the number right, and had basically like, you know,

42
00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,480
Speaker 1: like this is I I yeah, I wanted to talk

43
00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,880
Speaker 1: to you a bit about this before we go into

44
00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,640
Speaker 1: more of the abbe stuff about how the church's financial

45
00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,960
Speaker 1: abuse works and how you know, like how how how

46
00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,640
Speaker 1: how how this person's mom was compelled to sort of

47
00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,160
Speaker 1: like literally give away all of their money to this cult.

48
00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,120
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I would say it's sort of multi pronged

49
00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,079
Speaker 3: approach that they use.

50
00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,600
Speaker 2: Uh, they'll basically, oh, gosh, okay.

51
00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,359
Speaker 3: So one of the main things that they'll do is

52
00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,880
Speaker 3: they will charge people for ancestor liberation.

53
00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,320
Speaker 2: Basically is that they'll say that.

54
00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,320
Speaker 3: Your ancestors are going to go to heaven if you

55
00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,680
Speaker 3: pay us this amount of money. And they'll have people

56
00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,080
Speaker 3: do that for like generations and generations back in order

57
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,480
Speaker 3: to have their ancestors go to heaven.

58
00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:25,000
Speaker 2: They do other.

59
00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,440
Speaker 3: Spiritual sales, like the book. There was this one book

60
00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,880
Speaker 3: from years ago that they charged people exorbitant fees on

61
00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,520
Speaker 3: just because it was like some sort of like providential

62
00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,840
Speaker 3: book of some sort. So spiritual sales are definitely like.

63
00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 2: A main focal point of this.

64
00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,720
Speaker 3: Another thing that will happen is that like they'll they'll

65
00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,080
Speaker 3: labor traffic people just straight up into like a lot

66
00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,680
Speaker 3: of the time they would do fundraising teams where they

67
00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,320
Speaker 3: would have people go out sell little trinkets and things

68
00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,840
Speaker 3: on the street or flowers and come back and then

69
00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,680
Speaker 3: give all that money to the cough of the church.

70
00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,200
Speaker 3: Another thing that they do is tithes. You're expected to

71
00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,120
Speaker 3: give a certain amount of your income basically to the church,

72
00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,040
Speaker 3: and if you don't, it's like they're not going to

73
00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,840
Speaker 3: be like they're there. It's like sort of you know,

74
00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,440
Speaker 3: like you need to do better because you're not you're

75
00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,280
Speaker 3: not doing enough for God kind of shit. So they

76
00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,440
Speaker 3: have like a myriad ways that they really push people

77
00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,440
Speaker 3: into spending money on them in their organizations, as well

78
00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,960
Speaker 3: as having a ton of very successful businesses and capital

79
00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,160
Speaker 3: ventures and whatnot. They they make guns, you name it,

80
00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,520
Speaker 3: and so it all sort of comes together to this

81
00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,760
Speaker 3: like very large wheelhouse of capital.

82
00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Japan's so so I think I should probably

83
00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,479
Speaker 1: I'm realizing I'm probably assuming that everyone who's listening to

84
00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,320
Speaker 1: this has listened to the previous stuff we've done on

85
00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,360
Speaker 1: the edification, and I don't know, I don't know how

86
00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,719
Speaker 1: true that is. So I guess we should talk a

87
00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,240
Speaker 1: little bit. We should back up a little bit and

88
00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,840
Speaker 1: talk about just what the Unification Church is, and I

89
00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,000
Speaker 1: guess also the importance of Japan to it, because Yeah,

90
00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,680
Speaker 1: for everything that I've understood, Japan's like, you know, like

91
00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,680
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of sort of businesses that they

92
00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,920
Speaker 1: run in Korea, but Japan's kind of like their chief

93
00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,080
Speaker 1: financial nexus. Like the last thing I saw, I think

94
00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,599
Speaker 1: it was like like they directed like one hundred million

95
00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,520
Speaker 1: dollars how Japan in the last few years.

96
00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get they get so much.

97
00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,040
Speaker 3: That's their main it's their main financial powerhouse within the church.

98
00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,880
Speaker 3: And part of that is because the church claims that

99
00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,840
Speaker 3: because of the occupation of Korea that Japanese members have

100
00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,440
Speaker 3: to pay more indemnity monetarily, so everything with like you know,

101
00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,159
Speaker 3: all of the spiritual sales and stuff are just like

102
00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,320
Speaker 3: exorbitantly higher for those members, and that is just an

103
00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,760
Speaker 3: easy way for them to make a lot more money.

104
00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, which which is always a part of this thing.

105
00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,320
Speaker 1: I thought is really interesting because you know, the church,

106
00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,240
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this sort of at length in

107
00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:13,039
Speaker 1: other places, but they are like hardcore right wing anti communists. Yeah,

108
00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,240
Speaker 1: and like you know, have backed a lot of I

109
00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,480
Speaker 1: mean just desk squads all over the world they backed

110
00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,159
Speaker 1: they like they wound up backing pole Pot because like

111
00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,680
Speaker 1: doing a RAN contrac twice wasn't enough for them, but

112
00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,400
Speaker 1: a bunch Yeah. Yeah, it's like on once you once, once,

113
00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,200
Speaker 1: you once you've once you've done a RAN contract multiple times,

114
00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,320
Speaker 1: like you've got to there are very few places you

115
00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,920
Speaker 1: can go other than like into pole Pot. But I

116
00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,240
Speaker 1: think I think there's there's an interesting kind of game

117
00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,039
Speaker 1: they're playing here because you know, on the one hand,

118
00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,880
Speaker 1: so the party they're allied with in Japan, I mean

119
00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,960
Speaker 1: there's like several parties they work with, but their biggest

120
00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,120
Speaker 1: backer in the government is is the Liberal Democratic Party.

121
00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,600
Speaker 1: And you know, if you want to hear me talk

122
00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,960
Speaker 1: about the Liberal Democratic Party for a long long time,

123
00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,760
Speaker 1: go listen to my Kishi episodes on Behind the Bastards,

124
00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,960
Speaker 1: because that guy did one. So Masuki Kishi is the

125
00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,280
Speaker 1: founder of the Little Democratic Party. He is a just

126
00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:19,120
Speaker 1: horrific war criminal. I did like mass enslavement stuff like that,

127
00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,720
Speaker 1: Like truly truly awful guy. He's like he's also the

128
00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,560
Speaker 1: guy who just was in charge of like running the

129
00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,400
Speaker 1: Japanese war machine dream World War two, and his grandson

130
00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,120
Speaker 1: is is shinzo Abe. But there's just I think it's

131
00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,600
Speaker 1: this interesting dynamic where you have, on the one hand,

132
00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,400
Speaker 1: the Moonies are allying with these right wing guys who

133
00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,640
Speaker 1: are either just straight up like like a lot of

134
00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,640
Speaker 1: these people they're allying with are straight up like Nanjing denialists, right,

135
00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,320
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, they're they're there are people whose

136
00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,160
Speaker 1: lines on Japanese colonization or either that it was good

137
00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,480
Speaker 1: or we didn't do any crimes.

138
00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:54,040
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.

139
00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it comes off pretty pretty, you know, bold

140
00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,160
Speaker 3: faced and ironic and just very obvious that this is

141
00:07:59,160 --> 00:07:59,800
Speaker 3: a money ploy.

142
00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. But but I think it's interesting kind of

143
00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,480
Speaker 1: politically too, because you know, like if you if you

144
00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,960
Speaker 1: on the one hand pushed Anihilism, but then on the

145
00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,280
Speaker 1: other hand, you turn around and you're the only people

146
00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,640
Speaker 1: going like, hey, look at all these crimes your government did,

147
00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,240
Speaker 1: Like don't you owe like Korea so much? I feel

148
00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,000
Speaker 1: like it's like it's a really like terrible and like

149
00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:25,080
Speaker 1: it's just unbelievably cynical way of exploiting like exploiting just

150
00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,680
Speaker 1: the horror of Japanese imperialism to get.

151
00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's very underhanded, especially giving that I

152
00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,120
Speaker 3: feel like there is been some evidence that I mean

153
00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:41,360
Speaker 3: at least early church members and those around them may

154
00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,000
Speaker 3: have been collaborators at the time as well. So yeah,

155
00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,640
Speaker 3: it's very disingenuine and a completely twisted way to go

156
00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,920
Speaker 3: about anything. But people people buy into it and heavily.

157
00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, one of the ways they've they sort of

158
00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,320
Speaker 1: done this is allying with the Liberal Democratic Party. So

159
00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,600
Speaker 1: nobodys take Kishi, who again is AB's grandfather, like, is

160
00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,400
Speaker 1: the guy who brought the Unification Church into the party.

161
00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,080
Speaker 1: And this was kind of a controversial thing because okay

162
00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,360
Speaker 1: it was. It was kind of a controversial thing, not

163
00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,280
Speaker 1: because the Unification Church is a cult, but because the

164
00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,079
Speaker 1: Unification Church is Korean, which is like a dynamic that's

165
00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,160
Speaker 1: at play. He and this whole thing, which is you

166
00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,480
Speaker 1: have this weird okay. So there's like there's like two

167
00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,800
Speaker 1: kinds of people who are anti Unification Church in Japan.

168
00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,679
Speaker 1: It's you have like the leftists who are anti Unification

169
00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,840
Speaker 1: Church because they're a cult and because they're you know,

170
00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,640
Speaker 1: like a sort of cat's Paul of American imperialism, and

171
00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,240
Speaker 1: then you have like these ultra right wingers who are like,

172
00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,360
Speaker 1: these people are Koreans and so we hate them, which

173
00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,840
Speaker 1: is like a I don't know, truly terrifying Japan dynamic.

174
00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,760
Speaker 1: But Kishi's able to sort of overcome this and he okay,

175
00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,120
Speaker 1: So this is the part. I don't know if you

176
00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,400
Speaker 1: know more about this than I do. So every the

177
00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,240
Speaker 1: stuff that I've seen about this talks about the Unification

178
00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,600
Speaker 1: Church and the Yakuza kind of hammering out a deal

179
00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,400
Speaker 1: to allow the Unification Church to like do their specific

180
00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,240
Speaker 1: kinds of scams. And I've always assumed that Kishi brokeer

181
00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,200
Speaker 1: this because Noboshiki Kishi also is very very well connected

182
00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,400
Speaker 1: with the Yakuza. He's been connected with the yakuza since

183
00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,560
Speaker 1: like the twenties and thirties, so I always assumed that

184
00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,839
Speaker 1: he brokeer this deal. But I'm not entirely sure. I

185
00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if you've run into anything

186
00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:27,760
Speaker 1: about it.

187
00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,480
Speaker 3: So I know that some of it has to do

188
00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,920
Speaker 3: with Asami Kuboki, I believe, but I wouldn't be surprised

189
00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:42,360
Speaker 3: if initial links do come through Kishi. I wouldn't I

190
00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,920
Speaker 3: would not be surprised about that. I don't know where exactly, like,

191
00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,199
Speaker 3: you know, initially that would make sense.

192
00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,280
Speaker 2: That would make sense.

193
00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,480
Speaker 3: Honestly because like going back to the sort of end

194
00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,199
Speaker 3: of the Korean War and World War two. Uh, basically

195
00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,079
Speaker 3: how all these you know, prisoners that were class A

196
00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,440
Speaker 3: war criminals got you know, they got to let off

197
00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,120
Speaker 3: the books because they decided to work for America now.

198
00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,839
Speaker 2: And and and basically.

199
00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,640
Speaker 3: These guys were the first guys who started like funding

200
00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,120
Speaker 3: and financing and like supporting the church, uh, with like

201
00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,800
Speaker 3: the help of like MacArthur and stuff. And then MacArthur

202
00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,600
Speaker 3: of course is the one who got Moon out of prison.

203
00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there's a lot of sort of

204
00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of very very the the the LDP

205
00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:38,240
Speaker 1: as a party is sort of directly like like directly

206
00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,000
Speaker 1: it is formed by the Dulles brothers intervewing with the

207
00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,080
Speaker 1: sort of Japanese right and telling them like, you guys

208
00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,400
Speaker 1: all have to like, you guys all have to put

209
00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,720
Speaker 1: aside your differences and form this party so as to

210
00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,880
Speaker 1: stop like even like a vaguely centered left government from

211
00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,319
Speaker 1: coming to power. Right. Yeah, and the connections you are

212
00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:00,520
Speaker 1: really deep, like kishi kishi literally sells Unification Church their

213
00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,840
Speaker 1: first building in Japan, and that building is like his residence.

214
00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,000
Speaker 1: So they are eaten deep and in it for the

215
00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:08,560
Speaker 1: long haul.

216
00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah and st.

217
00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

218
00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this has been you know, sort of going

219
00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,200
Speaker 1: on for a very long time, even after like Chishi's

220
00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,920
Speaker 1: like specific kind of like fascist corruption faction kind of

221
00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,920
Speaker 1: eventually falls out of favor in like the eighties because

222
00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,959
Speaker 1: they they they kind a series of deals with the

223
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,040
Speaker 1: Americans that are like too corrupt for the US that

224
00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,520
Speaker 1: ends with like ends with a fascist porn star I

225
00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,520
Speaker 1: like dry attempting to do a Kama Kazi run and

226
00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,400
Speaker 1: a Yaka is a boss by flying a plane into

227
00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,320
Speaker 1: his house, which is which is a whole thing. But

228
00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, so this kind of gets us to many

229
00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,920
Speaker 1: generations of LDP, which is the Liberal Democratic Party, which

230
00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,400
Speaker 1: has been the ruling party of Japan for most of

231
00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,880
Speaker 1: it's sort of modern history. Many generations did this go by,

232
00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,960
Speaker 1: and you know there's there's I think a really incredible

233
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,880
Speaker 1: symbiosis here where like the LDP has like consistently gotten

234
00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,680
Speaker 1: them out of trouble of like stuff that like like

235
00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,839
Speaker 1: they're they're you know, there's a famous example where Moon

236
00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,040
Speaker 1: like shouldn't have been able to enter Japan because he

237
00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,600
Speaker 1: had been convicted of a felony in the US. And

238
00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,760
Speaker 1: you know the and there's also like there's been a

239
00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,800
Speaker 1: series of investigations into the church that has just gotten

240
00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,840
Speaker 1: squashed because the LDP ye know.

241
00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're too powerful.

242
00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:35,280
Speaker 3: They're in, they're in with the guys who are running things.

243
00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,320
Speaker 1: And I think this just kind of brings us to

244
00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,360
Speaker 1: the immediate Abbe stuff, which I think is really interesting,

245
00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,400
Speaker 1: which is that like Abbe, okay, so long ago, in

246
00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,599
Speaker 1: a galaxy, far far away dream Kishi's generation, the CIA

247
00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,160
Speaker 1: was like literally running LDP elections like this is the

248
00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,640
Speaker 1: CIA would go in with individual candidates and they would

249
00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,400
Speaker 1: go in to sort of manipulate the vote. They would

250
00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,480
Speaker 1: go in and they would have like CIA assets doing

251
00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,360
Speaker 1: canvassing for them. And what I think is really interesting

252
00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,080
Speaker 1: is that like from what I've seen, it seems like

253
00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,080
Speaker 1: abb basically replaced the CIA with the moonies in the

254
00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,439
Speaker 1: two thousands, where he was having the church do exactly

255
00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,040
Speaker 1: the same thing the CIA did of like like hey,

256
00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,200
Speaker 1: if you ally with us, we will, like you know,

257
00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,920
Speaker 1: we will like go district by district and campaign for

258
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,880
Speaker 1: you and like use our influence networks.

259
00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,160
Speaker 2: It's funny how that keeps happening.

260
00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:29,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, hmm, Yeah, it's really the sort of long arc

261
00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,760
Speaker 4: of It's funny too because it's like like quite frankly

262
00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,880
Speaker 4: like at this point, like it from the CIA's point

263
00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,920
Speaker 4: of view, like it's utterly unclear to me if.

264
00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,480
Speaker 1: It matters at all whether the LDP or like their

265
00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,200
Speaker 1: absolutely identical opposition party like comes into power. But there's

266
00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,400
Speaker 1: still just this kind of like like the ghost of

267
00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,200
Speaker 1: the CIA from like when they actually had to stop

268
00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,440
Speaker 1: the communists in like the cifty sixties and seventies, I

269
00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,760
Speaker 1: guess a bit through the eighties. It's just sort of

270
00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,360
Speaker 1: still there and still doing like all of this same

271
00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:10,680
Speaker 1: things that yeah, are y you know who else? Actually

272
00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,800
Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever advertised on this show, but

273
00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,360
Speaker 1: you know who probably wouldn't be that out of place

274
00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,560
Speaker 1: given the Reagan coin people. I don't know, it's it's ads,

275
00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:33,400
Speaker 1: it's we're doing them. I hope they don't suck and

276
00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,080
Speaker 1: we're back. Okay, So this is something I wanted to

277
00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,080
Speaker 1: ask you. How So, in the last few months, there's

278
00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:45,000
Speaker 1: been a lot of developments in terms of the reaction

279
00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,400
Speaker 1: to the Church in Japan and how the church has

280
00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,600
Speaker 1: been reacting to the sort of swings in public sentiment

281
00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,640
Speaker 1: that have been happening. So yeah, I guess I want

282
00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,320
Speaker 1: to ask how what's been happening inside the Japanese government

283
00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,240
Speaker 1: sense all of the stufface sort of been coming out.

284
00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,640
Speaker 3: So it seems to be that there has been quite

285
00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:11,200
Speaker 3: a kerfuffle because quite a few members of both the

286
00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,680
Speaker 3: LDP and other parties have ties.

287
00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,560
Speaker 2: To the Unification Church.

288
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,280
Speaker 3: So I've got some stats here, and forgive me if

289
00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,280
Speaker 3: these are not the most current. I tried my best

290
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,840
Speaker 3: to find the most current, the most current numbers out

291
00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,160
Speaker 3: here about this, but I was having a little bit

292
00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,920
Speaker 3: of trouble due to translations.

293
00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,680
Speaker 2: So let's see.

294
00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:37,280
Speaker 3: I've got at least three hundred and thirty four Prefectural

295
00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,560
Speaker 3: Assembly members in Japan have had dealings with the Unification

296
00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,920
Speaker 3: Church or it's affiliates, with over eighty percent of them

297
00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:48,080
Speaker 3: belonging to the ruling LDP, according to Kyoto News, So

298
00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,600
Speaker 3: Prime Minister of Fumiyo Kushita said that the government was

299
00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,680
Speaker 3: in the final stage of considering whether to seek a

300
00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,160
Speaker 3: court order to disband the Unification Church. But also, you know,

301
00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:03,040
Speaker 3: his new cabinet well, they've got some ties, okay, at

302
00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,960
Speaker 3: least four lawmakers who admitted having ties to the church.

303
00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,040
Speaker 3: The number of LVP lawmakers was ties to the churches

304
00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,800
Speaker 3: around one hundred and eighty, and the second Tenary General

305
00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,560
Speaker 3: has said that one hundred and seventy nine of the

306
00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,919
Speaker 3: three hundred and seventy nine parliamentarians reported with links to

307
00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,639
Speaker 3: the church and related organizations. And these relationships have ranged

308
00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,440
Speaker 3: from attending church events to accepting donations and receiving elections support.

309
00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,880
Speaker 3: And then at least three hundred and thirty four prefectural

310
00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,399
Speaker 3: councils had contact.

311
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,800
Speaker 2: With the UC in related orgs.

312
00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,200
Speaker 3: So there's a lot going on that basically is, there's

313
00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,919
Speaker 3: a lot that has come out about who is involved. However,

314
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,159
Speaker 3: the UC is still pretty much just denying everything. The

315
00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,760
Speaker 3: pre trial proceedings for Yamagami began on October thirteenth. It's

316
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,080
Speaker 3: going to be closed door, so it'll probably be a

317
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,959
Speaker 3: while a little bit until the information trickles out about that.

318
00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,399
Speaker 3: Hopefully they'll have some like I don't don't know if

319
00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,560
Speaker 3: like what closed door means in that specific situation, I

320
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,040
Speaker 3: still have journalists in there, not hopefully, Yeah, but yeah,

321
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,960
Speaker 3: a lot has been coming out and people have been

322
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,640
Speaker 3: calling for a lot of change, it seems, but how

323
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,359
Speaker 3: much is actually going to happen, especially when they're saying

324
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,480
Speaker 3: now it's going to be like maybe one to three

325
00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:27,399
Speaker 3: years for the deliberation on the case for dissolving the church,

326
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,919
Speaker 3: which means that the church will have ample time to

327
00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,200
Speaker 3: move all of its funds and set up new new

328
00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,800
Speaker 3: lines of money funneling.

329
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,560
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, which I think. Yeah, I don't know, like

330
00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,160
Speaker 1: I have I have very little faith that even even

331
00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,560
Speaker 1: this sort of like outswing of public pressure is going

332
00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,080
Speaker 1: to like actually seriously cause a liberal Democratic party to

333
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,320
Speaker 1: like really go after the church because, like I mean,

334
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,760
Speaker 1: like Abe, like part of the reason Abi got assassinated

335
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,280
Speaker 1: was that, like I think, like in twenty twenty two,

336
00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,679
Speaker 1: he he get he like he was like he like

337
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,159
Speaker 1: said a video of of like of a speech like

338
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,440
Speaker 1: to a like to a manuline unification church event. I

339
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,639
Speaker 1: think it was the same one that it might have

340
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 1: been the same one that Trump said it too. Maybe

341
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,440
Speaker 1: it was it was a different event, but like yeah,

342
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,720
Speaker 1: like that, I don't know, I have a difficult time,

343
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know kind of like believing that they're that

344
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,680
Speaker 1: like this like, even if this crackdown does come, that's

345
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 1: going to be effective. I don't know what your thoughts

346
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 1: on that.

347
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 3: I'm excited that there is some movement in that direction. However,

348
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,600
Speaker 3: I do worry that it won't really make as much

349
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,400
Speaker 3: of a dent into the functioning of the movement as

350
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 3: some people think it could, given that there seems to

351
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 3: be a lot of time for them to recuperate funds

352
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 3: and they've been doing a lot of things that seems

353
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 3: to make up for funds, as well as the fact

354
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,119
Speaker 3: that they already just have so much money and so

355
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 3: many funds in the first place. It's hard to say

356
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 3: how much they even have and how much this would

357
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 3: make a dent into it were it to happen, So it's.

358
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 2: Hard to say.

359
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 3: And I also do worry that that'll just sort of

360
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 3: incentivize them to sort of further radicalize people in a

361
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 3: very dangerous far right direction and sort of going into that,

362
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 3: there have been some sort of recent developments within the

363
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 3: church since all of this has come out, basically, and

364
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 3: people are calling for some sort of justice and some

365
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 3: sort of you know, understanding of what's going on, which

366
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 3: you know, the church continues to deny but recently Hawk Jahan,

367
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 3: who is now the leader of the Mainline Church, has

368
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,640
Speaker 3: been meeting with the youth in multiple countries, and recently

369
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 3: at Japan, she sat down and told them that they

370
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 3: are a Kamakazi group basically to save Japan in the world.

371
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 3: So I can't imagine it's ever really like, it never

372
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 3: has ended well when somebody says that to an occult

373
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 3: leader says that to their constituents, it never goes well.

374
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 3: And you know, acts of violence against oneself like self

375
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: emolation or other things murder have not been you know,

376
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: out of the realm of things that people in the

377
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 3: Unification of Church have done in the past.

378
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: So it does kind of worry me. And she's actually

379
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: hat Jahan is actually going to be.

380
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 3: Meeting I believe it's the weekend of the Seventh uh

381
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 3: in Vegas with the Youth of America. So I wonder

382
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: if she's going to be saying similar things at that event.

383
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that wouldn't surprise me, it would.

384
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 3: Seem I have a feeling it seems to be since

385
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: she's been going around and meeting, because she's also met

386
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 3: with the youth of Europe in the Middle East, that

387
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 3: there's like a concerted effort here to sort of get

388
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: youth engagement up, which leads me into a couple of

389
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 3: other things here. I know that for a couple of

390
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 3: years now, the Global Peace Foundation, which is under presst

391
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 3: and Moon, has been involved with like different like music

392
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,959
Speaker 3: festivals and things with K pop artists and stuff. But

393
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: recently there was actually an event this year is supposed

394
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 3: to happen called twenty twenty three Korean Dream Festa for

395
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 3: Korean United and then the original poster it was said

396
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: that it was Global Peace Foundation that was one of

397
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 3: the groups that was leading this. A lot of fans

398
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: have soaken up, and I know at least one of

399
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 3: the groups.

400
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 2: Has pulled out, so clearly at.

401
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: Least within that within that prong of the UC that

402
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 3: there's there's there's some very active like trying to outreach

403
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 3: to the youth, which I think I think I would

404
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: be able to say is pretty across the board at

405
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: this point. I think they're all trying some new strategies

406
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: because they see that people are leaving, and especially with

407
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: the number of people that have been speaking up lately,

408
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: they really want to keep those numbers and engage new

409
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 3: people as well. Part of this also makes me think

410
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: that might be why Sean Moon is doing the sort

411
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: of like maga rapper thing. I don't know, yeah, you know.

412
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: Because he could he could just be weird, Like it's possible,

413
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, but.

414
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: It does strike me as something that's like, hmm, maybe

415
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: this is a way to get kids into the movement,

416
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: you know, Like I don't really know. Part of me

417
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: is also wondered why if if that is part of

418
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: why Caleb Moppin has showed up at Mooney things now,

419
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: like yeah, just yeah, uh that guy, not that guy,

420
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: but like yeah, it just makes me wonder about like

421
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: different onboarding ramps that might be being tapped because uh,

422
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 3: there's potentially, you know, like a little bit of a

423
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: lull here and there's.

424
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: Going to be a financial dip in this specific chain.

425
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 2: I don't really know. I can't claim to I have suspicions.

426
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it makes I think as

427
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: a theory, it makes sense, Like I mean, the UCAS

428
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: Church is the Unification Church has always tried to sort

429
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: of stick itself into like different cultural trends, and I think, right,

430
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: like my voter said, like I don't, I don't think

431
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: the last time they really tried. The you strategy worked

432
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: very well, like in the late twenty early twenty tens.

433
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, no, it didn't. It didn't work particularly well.

434
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 3: I wonder, however, you know, times are changing. If they

435
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: happen to get one or two good strategists on board,

436
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: that could change everything, honestly, But I also don't necessarily

437
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: know that this is going to go well for them,

438
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 3: seeing is that they're deeply uncool. That's a real big issue,

439
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 3: Like that's the main issue for like trying to get

440
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: youth engagement up. I feel like, you know, I don't know, Uh,

441
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: there's only so cool you can make it sound, which

442
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 3: is nothing like no.

443
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it is interesting that they're kind

444
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: of like the mop in things specifically is really interesting

445
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: because it's it's it seems like, I don't know, it

446
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: seems like they're trying to tap into this like just

447
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: like whatever weird currents of like new right like stuff

448
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: they can get their hands on.

449
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like that honestly to me too. And

450
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: it's also specifically ironic considering that Caleb used to hit

451
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 3: me up for information on the Moonies a lot before

452
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: I figured that he was a creep.

453
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and.

454
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 3: Before I figured out he was a creep and like

455
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: not somebody I wanted to be talking to. So he

456
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: knows all this ship about them and continues and like

457
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 3: willfully yeah, is engaging with them, which to me is

458
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 3: just like mmmm yeah.

459
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: It's like if you if you're if you're gonna sell out,

460
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: like at least at least sell out into a podcast,

461
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: don't sell out to a fucking cult like Jesus Christ.

462
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: Come on, it's just ridiculous stuff.

463
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, it's really terrible.

464
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, like, yeah, it's the mashup we didn't need.

465
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: And this I think this has been eased to something

466
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: else I wanted to ask about, so other than the

467
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: sort of like you strategy stuff, has there been a

468
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: reaction from like the Rod of Iron ministry or like

469
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: the other sort of like splinter fractions of the church

470
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: to the stuff that's been happening in Japan? Like have

471
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: and also I ask you everything like as Bess, like,

472
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: everything that I've seen seems suggest that the if they

473
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: were gonna like if they were going to just band

474
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: the church, it would only be the main branch. Has

475
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: there been like has the statement going after the other

476
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: branches too, or.

477
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: So in that respect, I am actually still kind of

478
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: unclear and have some research questions I need to resolve

479
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 3: on that matter. As far as I've been aware, the

480
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: other branches have been reasonably.

481
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: Quiet about it.

482
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that they're not internally doing things. I

483
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: know that they both have large populations in Japan as

484
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: well of membership, so it would make sense that they

485
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: would be trying to figure something out.

486
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: However, I don't actually know.

487
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: If legally they are going to be gone after the

488
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: same way as the mainline church, and that's something I

489
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: just need to clear up myself. But honestly, they haven't

490
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: been speaking as much about it as I thought they might.

491
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that they're not. It also just might

492
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: mean that they're not publishing it, you know. But part

493
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: of me also wants to know if the reason that

494
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: you know, hak Tahan is coming to America that certain

495
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: weekend is because that's exact same weekend that the Rod

496
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: of Iron Freedom Festival is happening, and she just doesn't

497
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: want to get beheaded by her sons who wants to

498
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: behead her. So yeah, because it's like, oh, she knows

499
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: they're they're doing that weekend. I mean, I don't know,

500
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: like that's it's just maybe silly speculation.

501
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: But at the same time, they have literally said that

502
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: they want to behead her.

503
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wouldn't be from them if I were her. Yeah,

504
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: So that that that that that entire fight is really

505
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: a like like no matter it's either a like the

506
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: eat pop or let them fight or the no matter

507
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: who wins, we lose kind of thing.

508
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: Right, It's just quite a mess.

509
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: Like I can say that I have a lot of

510
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: family drama, but nothing compared to this.

511
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.

512
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: Just wild.

513
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

514
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: So there was a show that was originally going to

515
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: be called The Devil's Whispers that was to be aired

516
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: in Japan, but of course the UC complained a little

517
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: bit and they said that the program included a dramatization.

518
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: They said that basically, they.

519
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: Claimed that this dramatized program which was showing past tense

520
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: of the group to recruit believers, including hiding the group's

521
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: name in door to door sales taxics designs disguised as charitable.

522
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: First of all, in HK, the channel that was going

523
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: to air it, first of all, change the name to

524
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: Dangerous Whispers instead of the Devil's Whispers, but the church

525
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: also tried to tried to make them cancel like the

526
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: show from happening and airing. As far as I'm aware,

527
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: I think it actually did air a couple of nights

528
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: ago though.

529
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: Glad, gleg gleg Glad they got it through. But like

530
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: the fact that, yeah, the name changes, like really.

531
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, still, it's pretty ridiculous, Like maybe they

532
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: changed it, but I think what they had said it

533
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: was like sometimes in post production will change the name

534
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: for whatever reason or something like that. But it's like,

535
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: are you sure it's not, because the church complained.

536
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah.

537
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: So I don't really know.

538
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: Well, and I guess I guess. I guess no. One

539
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: more thing I wanted to talk a bit about, which

540
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: is that, And this is something we've been seeing already,

541
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: is people talking about like, oh, you shouldn't just spand

542
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: the church on religious freedom grounds. And that's something that

543
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: the U see has been really really successful at sort

544
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: of hiding behind you when anyone tries to go after them,

545
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: like they did this in the seventies and eighties, when

546
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: there were campaigns to like prosecute them for just the

547
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: crimes they were doing. Was that a bunch of sort

548
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: of like like not just not just right wing groups,

549
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: but sort of like like like civil libertarian groups, Like

550
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: like we're like, oh, you can't do this because if you,

551
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: if if they go after the Uthi Gacia Church, they're

552
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: going to be able to go after like any religious groups.

553
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: And that's just like not true, Like it's just not true.

554
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: These people are not like what what whatever you're you know,

555
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: in terms of sort of whatever, like the crimes of

556
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: like a normal religious group group are like the church

557
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: is not a normal religious group. They have been funding

558
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: desk squads for like longer than most of the people

559
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: listening to the show have been alive. And yeah, I

560
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: don't know, I I I just want to sort of

561
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: like like just make people aware of it. They're going

562
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: to try this shit again. And it was it was

563
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: bullshit less and they did it. It's bullshit now.

564
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's that's the thing that keeps annoying me.

565
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's not the same.

566
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: There are many things about this that annoy me and

567
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: make me very enraged, but one of them is that

568
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: the playbook doesn't change.

569
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

570
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: No, it's very very straightforward. This is how it's going

571
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: to work.

572
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm kind of wondering also if the cult is going

573
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: to sort of like roll out new providential edicts that

574
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: will like potentially be like, oh no, this is going

575
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: to be our new country that we get the most

576
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: money out of, or this maybe or something like, you know,

577
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: just something that they're going to say that God has

578
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: made it this way so that like, yeah, you can

579
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: change those money money funneling tunnels.

580
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. The only prediction that I can

581
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: make and I'm absolutely sure of is that it's going

582
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: to be wild and it's going to suck.

583
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

584
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not looking forward to how this is going

585
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: to play out, honestly, especially given all of the like

586
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: Kamakazi squad comments and stuff. Makes me ill, It makes

587
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: it makes me scared, It makes me not feel confident

588
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: about the way that this is going to turn out.

589
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of of two minds of this because

590
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: like I'm hoping this will go well and this will

591
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: actually work, and that like even if the church tries

592
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: to lash out, it's like doesn't work very well. I

593
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: do think also the way that this assassination has like

594
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: been turning just random pe like regular people in Japan

595
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: who don't really know anything about the church against them

596
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: has been really really interesting and powerful in a way

597
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: that was I mean not the I don't know, so

598
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: there's I've been saying is like the top of the

599
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: show kind of as a joke, but like this really

600
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: has been a very successful like political assassination in that

601
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: it hasn't like, it hasn't back it hasn't yet backfired

602
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: in a way that helps the church, and it seems

603
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: to have really I don't know, it seems it seems

604
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: to have very powerfully achieved this objective of getting people

605
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: to go, wait, hold on, who is this cult that

606
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: is like not I don't know, running is maybe too

607
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: strong of a word, but has like completely embedded itself

608
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: in the in Japan's ruling class.

609
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah, people are asking questions now.

610
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, which which I think is good. And I don't know,

611
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: I hope the other thing I'm hoping is that this

612
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: like people start doing this in like the US and

613
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: in Korea and in like all of the other places

614
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: that they've been doing shit like this, because this.

615
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: Is yeah, because that's been global and there have been

616
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: so many people that have been victims of this group

617
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: that I know a lot of us in America have

618
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: also started speaking out about it, and the media here

619
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: has not been quite as interested in picking up.

620
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: What we have to say. To a degree, they have been.

621
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: But it's usually you know, sensationalized and made a little

622
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: weird and.

623
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: Just yeah the main point. Oh sorry, yeah, go on

624
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: like that.

625
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: There's a there's a really this is something like I've

626
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 1: read a lot of sort of American coverage of this

627
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: alongside the Japanese coverage, and I mean, like I expect

628
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: this of the Japanese. Wow, Okay, I guess I expect

629
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: this of both, like parts of the coverage, but there

630
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: is there has been very very little, if any willingness

631
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: to like talk about the church's connection to the CIA,

632
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: and there you know, people will talk about them like

633
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: as an anti communist group, but.

634
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: Right like yeah like that extra step.

635
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like you have like it's they're not just

636
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: in it, like there there are there are lots of

637
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: anti communist groups. I mean there are no anti communist

638
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: groups that are good, right, but like there are lots

639
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: of anti communist groups that never funded death squads in

640
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: like not what was what was the actual number? Like

641
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: sixteen I had, I had I had a count at

642
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: one point of the number of countries they funded death

643
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: squads in. But like like most most most most people

644
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: haven't like like funded coups in Bolivia and like you know,

645
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: kept like allowed a ran contra to happen by keeping

646
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: the contrasts in the war or like scent weapons of

647
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: the Mousia haden like yo, like they they really they

648
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: really they've I don't know, like and I I mean,

649
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: I like, I guess, like you know, in terms of

650
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: the sort of like this is the bourgeois press stuff

651
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: like it, like it makes sense ideologically why people don't

652
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about their connections to the CIA and

653
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: like the operations they pulled in the US and all

654
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: of the just imperialism they've been doing. But it's it's

655
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: really depressing because yeah, yeah, I don't know.

656
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: It feels demoralizing sometimes because people only want to tell

657
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: part of the story when it's like not too crazy

658
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: and out there sounding for them. It's like, no, I

659
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: tell you what, the actual story behind this group is

660
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: crazier and more out there than you could ever imagine.

661
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 6: Like yeah, yeah, and I think I think that's that's

662
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 6: been an important I mean, that's why I think why

663
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 6: the work you're doing is really important because thank you,

664
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 6: like you have to actually make like you're one of

665
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 6: the few people like actually making these connections.

666
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: And yeah, I really I really appreciate it.

667
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: Thank you.

668
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: I appreciate that you appreciate it, because it's sometimes it's

669
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: weird work.

670
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: To do, Like I just read a lot about horrible things, and.

671
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, like I was saying, that can

672
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 3: take a toll on you to a degree, and sometimes

673
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: I'll have to take breaks from it, but at the

674
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: end of the day, I'm always going to go back

675
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 3: to it because, like I think it's worth doing, because

676
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 3: the stuff needs to be talked about.

677
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I guess do you have anything else that

678
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: you wanted to say.

679
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: Before I'll just plug deprogramming, imperialism, those two words. I

680
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: think there's an underscore on our Instagram. Let me just

681
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: double check.

682
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: If there's an underscore, we will put links to this

683
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: in the description.

684
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

685
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for coming on the show.

686
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, fuck these.

687
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: People, Yeah for real, they've done some really bad stuff.

688
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: So hopefully hopefully this is finally after like so many

689
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: generations of terrible crimes they've been doing that this is

690
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: finally the one that's going to fucking crush them.

691
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: We can hope, you know, Yeah, you can very much

692
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: hope though, And the more people are talking about it

693
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 3: the better. The more people understand, like the history behind

694
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: the movement, the better. So thanks for having me.

695
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, this has been It can happen here.

696
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: You can find us assuming Twitter still exists when this

697
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: goes up on Twitter, Instagram, haf in here pod. Yeah,

698
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: you can find sources of cool Zone Media. Yeah, go

699
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: go into the world, destroy imperialism and crush the remains

700
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: of these dog shit assholes.

701
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: Yes, it could happen here as a production of cool

702
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: Zone Media.

703
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: For more podcasts from.

704
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: Cool Zone Media, visit our website cool zonemedia dot com

705
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

706
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to podcasts.

707
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: You can find sources for It could Happen here, updated

708
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: monthly at coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.