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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together. Everything all right, that's just let out some

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Speaker 1: that's the healthy way to do things. Did it work?

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Speaker 1: Are you less stressed? I am less stressed. I feel great.

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Speaker 1: This is just a podcast of us like loudly yawning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the yawn Cast where we a totally push

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Speaker 1: how are we all doing? How's everybody doing today? Actually?

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Speaker 1: Needed doing great? Doing great? I do feel like I

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Speaker 1: need to yawn right now, but doing pretty fine. You

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Speaker 1: know I know who's not doing fine today? There's it's

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Speaker 1: the Governor of New York gets saving. I knew it.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, we should probably introduce,

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Speaker 1: by the way, this is the Worst Year every It's

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Speaker 1: a podcast, and we're hi, hey, Robert, and you might

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Speaker 1: be high sober as a church mouse. Cody. It did

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Speaker 1: sound like you said you were high, but I think

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Speaker 1: he was just saying hi. I've not known Cody to

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Speaker 1: be sober um. Hello, I'm high on weed. This is

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Speaker 1: Katie and Cody and Robert. Yes it is, Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm high on life and also high on today's guest,

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Speaker 1: our friend, Chelsea Manning. Chelsea, how are you doing? How's

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Speaker 1: it going, Roberts? You know, or at least here from

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Speaker 1: you professionally introducing a podcast the Pros, do you know? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've gotten really good at it. Yeah, yeah, we're we're

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Speaker 1: doing our best. How are you doing, Chelsea? Am I doing?

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Speaker 1: I have not had internet since last night. I've been

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Speaker 1: working off my phone, so it's been a pretty it's

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Speaker 1: been a pretty big pain in the ass. Yeah. That

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Speaker 1: sounds like a nightmare, to be honest, frustrating. I know

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Speaker 1: we're we're so lucky, like technology is marvelous and awful

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Speaker 1: and we're so lucky to have it. But the second

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Speaker 1: it's not there, I'm furious with it because well, because

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Speaker 1: we depend on it. It's life, you know. It depends

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Speaker 1: when you lose your internet, everyone else is going along

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Speaker 1: normally and you're just fucked. And that's horrible. When Twitter

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Speaker 1: goes down for everybody, the world gets remarkably better, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little nicer, noticeably, Yeah, to be fair, to be fair,

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Speaker 1: you know, being in jail, I got pretty used to

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a very good point. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: just my space, right, but twelve hours is a long

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Speaker 1: time to go with out on internet. Yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's horrible, but also horrible as the governor of New York.

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Speaker 1: See I did it twice to Quomo pivots. We had

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Speaker 1: not planned to talk about this, but it all just

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Speaker 1: dropped today, so they finished. I mean, uh, the who

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Speaker 1: was it that did the investigations. There was a big

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Speaker 1: state investigation into the allegations. Yeah, yeah, James, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: t James, into the allegations of sexual harassment by Andrew Cuomo.

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Speaker 1: They spent several months, UH interviewed a hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: nine individuals, UH, looked through seventy four thousand pieces of evidence,

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Speaker 1: and showed quote. The independent investigation has concluded that Governor

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Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo sexually harassed multiple women and broke state and

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Speaker 1: federal law in doing so. Some of the women he

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Speaker 1: harassed included state troopers that were like you know, security

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Speaker 1: and groped him. Um created a climate of fear in

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Speaker 1: the governor's office as well as a toxic workplace. Unwanted groping, kissing, hugging,

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Speaker 1: and unwelcome comments. Um. Pretty bad stuff. Also unlawful opportunity

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Speaker 1: groping though. Yeah, his defense, Yeah, you Cody, you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about how he's decided to defend himself. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's it's it's remarkable. He's a precious, beautiful man who's

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Speaker 1: that guy like idolizes Michael Scott and it's like, what,

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Speaker 1: It's fine, It's just a joke. I'm joshing. Um. But

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Speaker 1: even like like like very obviously inappropriate touching where it's like, oh, no,

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Speaker 1: So that's the place. Although he did. There's a there's

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Speaker 1: Jim Saki made a statement on it that was pretty

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Speaker 1: like they didn't. She didn't commit Biden to anything, but

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Speaker 1: for this, and one described it as quote, it was

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Speaker 1: a culture where you could not say no to the

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Speaker 1: he would be written off, cast aside, or worse. That's

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's all abuse. It's abuse. It's haunting, physical abuse.

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Speaker 1: It's also emotional psychological abuse. The creating an environment where

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Speaker 1: like Chris, Chris should resign to is what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: um um. But but he won't. Uh, he'sn't an enabler

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Speaker 1: It seems like my actions caused pain and I represent something.

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Speaker 1: So I don't feel like I should be leading anymore.

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Speaker 1: don't think that's a particularly likely outcome here, Like, I

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Speaker 1: he'll probably be broadly defended by a lot of Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Have already seen that among some people. Oh and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how this report is going to change stuff.

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Speaker 1: Constant defenders, um, all these allegations, constant defenders. I'm just

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Speaker 1: It tends to not go both ways for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. But when there's very extensive report with evidence,

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Speaker 1: in a nineteen thirties mass migration situation. This is This

423
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Speaker 1: is the other. The other thing that I've been looking

424
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Speaker 1: really intensely at is I've been going into commodities this

425
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: chords commodities reddits and looking at um looking at the

426
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Speaker 1: sort of speculator, looking at what speculators are saying, because

427
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Speaker 1: they pay a lot of attention to like crops and

428
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Speaker 1: uh and shipping and you know, the importation of stuff

429
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: and uh so at the same time, you have the

430
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Speaker 1: consumer price index, which is shooting up through the roof,

431
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: which is an indicator of inflation. You see things getting

432
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Speaker 1: more expensive, like common consumer items like go and get bread,

433
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: go to get milk, go get gasoline, and it's those

434
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: things at up even more than it sounds like by

435
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: the numbers you're looking because one of the things that

436
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: was just reading, they've changed over the years, Like initially

437
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: one of the consumer price index chage like tracked things

438
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: like here, what's how is the cost of like a

439
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: cut of beef risen? And they changed it to like

440
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: ground beef and they like they're continually altering, like some

441
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: of the more expensive goods for cheaper goods to make

442
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: it seem as if the CPI is raised less than

443
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: it has um, which is great, but what what but

444
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: what one of the things I'm seeing is now that

445
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: it's being compounded, it's going to be compounded because it

446
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: doesn't it takes a while for this to take effect.

447
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: Um because right now it's just speculation. Uh, it's speculators

448
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: who affect the futures prices, right of food right, so

449
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: grain corn, all of these things are having low yields

450
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: due to the climate crisis. So the housing crisis mixed

451
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: in with the with the climate crisis and the and

452
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Speaker 1: COVID which has led to a decreased number of migrant

453
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Speaker 1: workers that can show up and and provide cheap labor,

454
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: are causing an effect which is leading to high higher

455
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: consumer item you know, higher prices for consumer items and

456
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: a much lower amount of purchasability among people who can

457
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Speaker 1: pay for it. So the effect is that people have

458
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: less money to spend on things that are more expensive.

459
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Speaker 1: And that is Uh that that is a disaster scenario,

460
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Speaker 1: Like it's just that there's no bad Yeah, there's no

461
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing good that comes out of that. And for

462
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: somebody who's burning the military and like looked that, looked

463
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: at these kinds of indicators before. I usually if I

464
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: was looking at another country, I'd go, oh, yeah, there's

465
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: something really bad is about to go down right here.

466
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Speaker 1: So oh I hadn't known you were in the military, Chelsea.

467
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I did for a couple of years. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 1: You've led a storied life, so you would think that

469
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: there would be like opportunity and in the fact that

470
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Speaker 1: so many people are at increasingly desperate situations. UM. And

471
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Speaker 1: there may be you know, like eviction defense stuff is

472
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: certainly more common and people are talking about it more

473
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Speaker 1: than they were earlier. UM, But you're also seeing like

474
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Speaker 1: one of the things that really worries me trend wise

475
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: is the the fact that I'm seeing more and more

476
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: information about how uh incarcerated labor is increasingly being used.

477
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: UM and how Biden administration has said that like people

478
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: who are at least on chrona virus have to go back,

479
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: and that's mixing in with all these like You've got

480
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Speaker 1: like one of the number of companies who have had

481
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: trouble hiring people because of the pandemic without raising wages,

482
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: have gone with incarcerated labors to avoid what raising wages,

483
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Speaker 1: including I think Farro Rocher, like the chocolate company, um Like.

484
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: There's been a couple of different companies that have done that.

485
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: And I keep seeing this mix of like, oh, an

486
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: unprecedented number of people are going to be homeless, a

487
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: huge number of cities are criminalizing existence as under homeless,

488
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Speaker 1: like as a homeless person, um. And there's a labor

489
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Speaker 1: shortage based on the fact that businesses don't want to

490
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Speaker 1: pay more um. Seems like it seems like that could

491
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Speaker 1: go in some unpleasant directions. The market will figure it out.

492
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Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm scared about coding. What exactly

493
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Speaker 1: are they going to figure out? This all reminds me.

494
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Speaker 1: Have you guys seen There's been a variety of articles

495
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: based on the same about a worldwide global collapse. You're

496
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: researchers say a worldwide breakdown could happen within a few

497
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Speaker 1: decades and have identified the five countries most likely to

498
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: withstand it, you know, basically you know, the BBC, just

499
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: different places have been putting out this this. Yeah, there

500
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: was I think in There's there was a paper that

501
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: was written in vent which looked at a number of

502
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: indicators and the one and look, there's a graph. There's

503
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: basically a graph of sort of like inputs and outputs

504
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: and how they sort of flip like the good the

505
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: good things go up for a bit and then they

506
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: run out, and then the bad things start to go

507
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: up because the good things are running down. Uh, those

508
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: good things being like populated being like population indicator, uh,

509
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: food availability, strength of the economy, prices fuel, food, and

510
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: essentially like the tension point is somewhere around between twenty

511
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Speaker 1: thirty and we've were at the sort of transitional period

512
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: on that graph, interestingly enough, where the tension begins and

513
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: then before and before it does that flip very well explained. Yes, um, yeah,

514
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: it's it's daunting. Yeah. And the I mean, the the

515
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: potential here obviously is that if you've got millions and

516
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: millions of people additionally out on the street being criminalized,

517
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: then you also have like tens of millions of their

518
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: family members who are also being affected by this, and

519
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: you have a potential for a critical mass of people

520
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: who can't like you know, one of the things we

521
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Speaker 1: saw with the last with the uprising last year is

522
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of people got out in the street. Um,

523
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: some pretty intent ship happened, and then a lot of

524
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: folks decided after a certain point, well, this has gone

525
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: as far as like it can, or at least as

526
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Speaker 1: far as seems reasonable for me. I have like a

527
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Speaker 1: life to get back to, And there's gonna be a

528
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: lower number of people with a life to get back to,

529
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: and a greater number of people at risk of kind

530
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: of completely falling through the cracks and winding up and

531
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: intolerable situations more than they have been in our life times.

532
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: And um, I guess what the possibility is that all

533
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: of these additional people forced to the edge or off

534
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: the edge. Yeah, if they're not buying things, and if

535
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: they're in fact, like not participating in the economy, and

536
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: if they're they're willing to, like, especially with like other

537
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: people who are close to them, and also realize that

538
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: they're close to the edge now willing to like even

539
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: shut down the economy. We talked about a general strike

540
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: a lot. Yes, that that's an opportunity, right, There's some

541
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: possibility there for like something positive to happen in the

542
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: midst of a really unpleasant situation. At the same time. Um,

543
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm I'm I'm very I'm pessimistic more

544
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: than I ought to be these days because I keep

545
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like, what whatever if if

546
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: if something is actually done with that to mobilize people effectively,

547
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: it's not going to come out of any organization that

548
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: presently exists on the left, because is most of them

549
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: are useless. U is kind of where I stand. Again,

550
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very pessimistic these days. I don't think that

551
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: you're being overly pessimistic. I think you're being honest. Yeah,

552
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would like I would love to

553
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: be wrong about that. But I've always had a saying

554
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: in this regard, which is that UM, organizing, organizing doesn't

555
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: lead to things. Things lead to organizing. So it's whenever, whenever,

556
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: whenever things good, whenever material conditions deteriorate enough, then organizing

557
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: just starts to happen. So I think that that's that's

558
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that and it doesn't happen spontaneously,

559
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: but it happens, you know, it starts, it starts on

560
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: its own. I think the worrying part is the logic

561
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: pretzels that people have been able to get themselves into,

562
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: whether it's quean on on the right or you know,

563
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: various different sort of individual individualistic like reasons for I'm

564
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: not doing enough or I'm not doing very well. The

565
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: the Protestant work ethic kind of of like logic pretzels

566
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: that are going on to where you it doesn't take

567
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: into account the fact that there are systemic problems that

568
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: need to be they have they haven't put off and

569
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: have been left unresolved and eventually will lead to crisis.

570
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: Um uh yeah, and uh that's not good yea for

571
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: a long time. And it's it's a wonder because like

572
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: the people, a lot of many people who can do

573
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: something about it. They like they surely they know the

574
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: Christ Semas who launched in black block against the w

575
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: t O and UH will now not stay in town

576
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: in order it demands like her like five week vacation

577
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: or whatever twee approach to uh politics And what the

578
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: fun is? What the funk is up with that? Sorry,

579
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: I just I'm so it's I mean, it's hey, you

580
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: the more you have, the more reaction you become. It

581
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: is a real tendency that people have and you know,

582
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: just like you have just to lose that attention, right

583
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: her and mention or they love being the ones right, Um,

584
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: but like surely they know that when that tension snaps,

585
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be like it potentially isn't good for them.

586
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're all all of the people

587
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: on that side of things are making the bet that, well,

588
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: the police are more powerful than they've ever been and

589
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: more committed to hurting regular Americans than they've ever been.

590
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: But the security establishment is also like that. There's a

591
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: distinction between the politicians who are like, yeah, the security

592
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: stablish will take care of this, and the security establishment

593
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: who are like, we don't know if we can take

594
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: care of this or handle this. Yeah, I mean again,

595
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: you this is something like I've thought about a lot.

596
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: If you go back and read the last like ten

597
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: years of Defense Department reports on climate change, they have

598
00:36:54,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: a very accurate, unvarnished opinion about the Yeah, yeah, we've

599
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: talked about this. Um, They've been talking about this for

600
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: a while. The fact that like this is there, there

601
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: are significant like it's it's potentially like the most significant

602
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: threat faced by the United States military establishment, Like is

603
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: the the supply line crunches and the unrest and everything

604
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: else that's going to come as a result, and then

605
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: you threw and then in the middle of all that

606
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: while this was pre COVID, all these reports came out

607
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: pre COVID, and now for years half yeah, yeah, you

608
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: were saying, you know, you throw in, you throw you

609
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: throw in this virus. Uh and the lockdowns and the

610
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: sort of and what's up with the economy being so weird? Right?

611
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: It's like this, like the stock market is completely disconnected

612
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: from the from the reality on the ground, like and

613
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: committed commodities, commodities have commodity. The commodities market is reflecting

614
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: the reality. And that's one of the reasons why I

615
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: pay so much attention to what commodities and futures traders

616
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: are doing, whereas like stocks are just like stocks at

617
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: this point, yeah, because they don't mean anything to not

618
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: They aren't reflective of anything. It's reflective of the people

619
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: that can play with the stock market. And I think

620
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right to be focusing on commodities because one

621
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: of the things I think we've seen. I think why

622
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Chelsea the economy so fucking weird is because after two eight,

623
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: when we were you know, we were in this situation

624
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: the Texas Electrical Grid was in this February where it

625
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh, ship, we're like a minute and a

626
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: half away from this thing breaking maybe for good um,

627
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: And they pulled it back from the brink. And it

628
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: led to this commitment to at all costs, you've got

629
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: to keep ship looking like it's not going off the rails,

630
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: and you you have the fed do what it needs

631
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: to do. Um, like, as long as the value keeps

632
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: growing on paper, as long as like you keep the

633
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: numbers looking right, as long as you can like and

634
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: there's a degree to which you can like funk with

635
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 1: the indicators of economic health to make things seem better

636
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: than they are. But when there's not enough corn for

637
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Speaker 1: all of the people who need calories to avoid dying,

638
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: that's something you can't funk with, like to the same

639
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: up the books on that. Um, there's something we can do,

640
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: which is take a quick break. Sponsors. Yeah, you know

641
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: who will provide you with enough corn to avoid death. Um.

642
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: It's truly, it's no, no, not radio. But they are

643
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: looking at ways to weaponized corn. Very very exciting development.

644
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: The dream is closer and closer. Every day we get

645
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: a little closer to a device that can take out

646
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: a school bus and also provide a sizeable quantity of

647
00:39:41,480 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: soft corn those corn syrup. Yeah, all right, we're back,

648
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: we are We're bad. It happened. Feeling really great, craving

649
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: some corn, to be honest, global collapse, you'd run, let's go, yeah,

650
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: some like supermarket games type shit. I don't know what

651
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: else should we talk about right now, guys. I want

652
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: to bring it back. I want to bring it back

653
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: to the to the currency bit because I think that

654
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: one of the things that people aren't talking like you know,

655
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: because you know, like the said can cook the books forever,

656
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: and like you said, the commodities, they can't cook the

657
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: books on commodities. But I do think that is a

658
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: is a worrisome trend. Is this is as inflation and

659
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: the CPI just shoot up, right, then there's always the

660
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: the possibility that people just start pulling out of the

661
00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: dollar globally, which creates this weird effect called deflationary spiral

662
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: where essentially the value of the dollar, like the like

663
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: the number of dollars just starts to implode, and so

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Speaker 1: you have a you have an over supply of do

665
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: instead of an oversupply, you have an under supply of

666
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: actual you know, made up dollars. So you know, I

667
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: think I think that, I think it. As long as

668
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: the US can project an air of confidence in the dollar,

669
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: it the scam works. But um it, if it if

670
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: it does appear that you know, the dollar is is

671
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: is as um transparently worthless as it is, then people

672
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: than other countries will just start pulling out their investments

673
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: on mass and then things will get bedder. That's when

674
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: we really turned the corner on this. I mean, uh,

675
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to be so much of a pet. Yeah,

676
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: everyone get into bitcoin. That's really good. That will solve

677
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: every every problem we have. Bit Bitcoin will I'm gonna

678
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use I'm gonna use cryptocurrency without without my

679
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: internet or without power. Well, Chelsea, that's why you get

680
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: your wallet address tattooed on you see. That's that's how

681
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: you change bitcoin into FIAT. I may not entirely understand

682
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: what fiat means. Not a car, yeah it is. Yeah,

683
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: that's it's the car that we will use this currency

684
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: in the future. Collapses will just be trading Honda fiats.

685
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: Make sure it's a Toyota highlax. I mean that that

686
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: is actually the car that will be worth money after

687
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: after everything falls apart. I don't know. I guess even

688
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: like the idea that things will fall apart in the

689
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: way that people think, like when they talk about collapse,

690
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: when they dream out in the movies is optimised Hollywood. Yeah,

691
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: it's like, no, there's no and we can survive it

692
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: if we just have more if we have more stuff,

693
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: and we're it'll be me and my friends wandering the

694
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: wasteland with guns like no, no, no, it'll be like

695
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: you and your friends finding it harder and harder to survive.

696
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: And then when you can't stay in a home anymore, like, uh,

697
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: your existence on the street will be criminalized and you'll

698
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: be forced to work quote unquote for your own good

699
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: um at at what amounts to almost slave wages. Like

700
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of ship that I when I

701
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: think about, like what collapse means, it's that more than

702
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: it's uh, the nukes go off and everybody's free wasteland one,

703
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: there still are those. I mean, the nukes could go off,

704
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it's never impossible. But that's not

705
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: the scenario we're looking at right here. When I think

706
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: about the dystopias that scare me and are most likely

707
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't think about I don't think the road, Yeah,

708
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: because at least in the road all the people I

709
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: hate lose too. And the stud cinematography was great. The

710
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: cinematography is great. Uh, you've got you've got Erra Gord,

711
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: so it can't be that bad right now. Yeah. You

712
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: Just the thing that I keep seeing though, is I

713
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: keep seeing the security establishment move more and more like domestically,

714
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: like consistently, you know, like the they're less focused on

715
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: like Iraq and Afghanistan, they're more focused on bringing stuff home.

716
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: They're still ramping up like sort of tech of things. Um. Also,

717
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: also there's a recruitment problem that the military is facing

718
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: right now where they can't really in slots. Yeah, they

719
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: are consistent. I mean this has been going on for

720
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: years actually, um, but it's become particularly acute. Um and

721
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: by some counts, like they're like understaffed, yeah, and and

722
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: understaffing of a unit, like the the number for a

723
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: unit is about is about nine before something is is

724
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: considered amber, which is uh anywhere, which is a unit

725
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: that would that that would be used in like a

726
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: war and like a total war, World war two situation,

727
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: be like, okay, well we can still use that. But

728
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: otherwise you would just not use that unit at all.

729
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: You would just be like, Okay, they're they're completely unable

730
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: to function because there it's what we have warning bells,

731
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: so we need to take them out of the field

732
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: and and and replenish the numbers. And an Iraq in Afghanistan,

733
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: you know, it was not a typical to have to

734
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: make sure that a unit that a unit supply, that

735
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: a unit was was fielded with with one of one

736
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: hundred three to one five percent staffing into in order

737
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: to ensure that there was an oversupply of staffing. And yeah,

738
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: now like it's just impossible to staff at those levels. Um,

739
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: which you know, that's that's not entirely a negative, but

740
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: it's also like one of the things that's come along

741
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: with that is the kind of something similar to what

742
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: you've seen with police, where the kind of number of

743
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: families who have children in military service or members in

744
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: military services just like declined to this increasingly small and

745
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: insular group of people. Um, why what you want to now, yeah,

746
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: why would you want to? But from just a doggedly

747
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: pragmatic standpoint, I don't it's not necessarily a good thing

748
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: for the military membership to reflect less and less the

749
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: citizenry of the country. Yeah, and and kind of police

750
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: are in a much more extreme level of this. But yeah, so,

751
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this is how we end up in a

752
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: situation where you end up with like a bunch of uh,

753
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: we end up with a bunch of soldiers like like

754
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: like in a uniform violation with wearing MAGA hats at

755
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: a Trump rally. Right, absolutely, yeah, yeah, I just um,

756
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's a lot of problems. One of

757
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: the good signs is that uh again, there's there's clearly

758
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: there's clearly an understanding among the people in the in

759
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: the military establishment, the security establishment, who like know their

760
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: ship that um, the present circumstances are problematic for their

761
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: ability to uh maintain order, which provides opportunity for a

762
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: kind of organized um movement to uh demand significant material

763
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: changes um in order to make life more survivable. UM.

764
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: The downside of that is that the situations we're seeing

765
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: that make it, I think more possible for a kind

766
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: of mass movement based around a strike to succeed are

767
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: also situations that are increasingly making it possible for a

768
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: fairly small but motivated group of people to seize the

769
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: levers of power. Yeah, I think. I think the the

770
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: secondary is more likely in some regions and the front

771
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: and the the former is more likely in others. So

772
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: I think I think we were in a situation where, uh,

773
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, we're we're going to be

774
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: more and more in sort of a less federal a

775
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: less federal government, like you know, focused society here in

776
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: the here in the United States at least, where but

777
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: and more of a patchwork quilt where the laws and

778
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: the norms that you know, you get in one state

779
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: are so drastically different than the laws and norms that

780
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: you get in another, Like the difference between like what

781
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: what you get in Alabama or you know, New Mexico

782
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: is very different than what you get in California or

783
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: or Chicago. Yeah, and I guess to an extent even

784
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: that's like I find that more hopeful than kind of

785
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: the worst case scenarios in my head, which is like

786
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario is always some sort of really

787
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: concerned and effective authoritarian regime. Yeah they tried, yeah, yeah, yeah,

788
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: you only get one shot every thirty years. And yeah,

789
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: but I think you might get, but everything is faster

790
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: in the internet. We're in unprecedented times. I think we're

791
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: I think we I think one of the things about

792
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: an attempted fascism, and I think we've discussed this before,

793
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: is that attempted an attempt to fascism kind of innoculates

794
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: you from from the second attempt in the future. God,

795
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: I hope, because that didn't happen in Weimar, you know,

796
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: but Vimar it is a different like people draw. It's

797
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: important to not it's important to draw conclusions from that.

798
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: It's also important not to draw too many conclusions from

799
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: that because their democracy was like ten fucking years old. Yeah,

800
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: but isn't that much older? I mean it is, But

801
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, I hope you're right too. Well. You have

802
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: more and more crises every like more often, and who

803
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: were the people are going to take advantage of those opportunities?

804
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: You know, I I just more and more. This is

805
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: all so unprecedented. I don't ever know what's going to

806
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: happen next time. I love I love how in the

807
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: last five years we've gone from like disinformation is the

808
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: worst thing to like, how do we feed ourselves? Yeah? Yeah, right,

809
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: because the reason why feeding ourselves is going to become

810
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: increasingly hard is because disinformation rendered it impossible to take

811
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: any kind of effective action that would have reduced the

812
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: the catastrophic effects of climate change twenty five years ago,

813
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, thirty years ago or so. It is all

814
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: or pandemic. Yeah, I mean, well, Cody, you know, and

815
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Speaker 1: I feel differently about that because I don't believe there's

816
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: such a thing as viruses um. Interesting, Yeah, okay, I

817
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: would be in everything you have to say and write

818
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: about that. I will read. This is how Robert Evans

819
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 1: got banned off by Hardy. Yeah, the day everything changed

820
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: for us. You know, I'm I am. I am anti

821
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: vaccine um because I don't know. I'm trying to draw

822
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: like a George Bush did nine eleven conclusion here, but

823
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: I just don't have it in me right now, I've

824
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: follow with the joke pemic did the pandemic? Just you

825
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: can put it together yourselves, right think about are there

826
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: they have been for years? Just to symbol it. Okay,

827
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: come on, don't make me do everything exactly, you fucker's

828
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Okay, apology accepted, Thank you, Katie. I think

829
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna be okay. We're pretty good. The solution here

830
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: is I mean, and I'm gonna be serious here for

831
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: a second, but I think that I think one of

832
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: the ultimate solutions here is that, UM, the more that

833
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: we can at least be aware of the fact that

834
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: there is an increasing amount of crunch coming that certain

835
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: people are preparing for it, UM should give some of

836
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: us at least the perspective to think a little bit more,

837
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: because I think I think one of the things that

838
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: social media's training is to do is to think of

839
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: in sort of in sort of terms of like, oh,

840
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: cuomo got you know, uh, cuomo got uh the allegations

841
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: came out just today, you know, is these twenty four

842
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: hour these like twenty four hour and even like twelve

843
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: and eight hour cycles, um, and sort of untrained that

844
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: and sort of think more six months, two years, ten years,

845
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: and sort of having a long long term uh thinking

846
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: and planning because you don't or as we rain ourselves

847
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Speaker 1: to do other things now and to think more long term,

848
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: we should be thinking more and more about how we're

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Speaker 1: going to get through the next the next decade. And

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00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: I think that that I think that that gives us

851
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities to be able to um to organize,

852
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: not on a scale of of oh my gosh, reactive,

853
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: but proactive. And I think that, uh, I think that

854
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: more and more people are taking the time now because

855
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm definitely seeing a lot less Internet activity among people

856
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: who are more active and this and this sort of stuff,

857
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: and as they're taking a break and thinking more long term, like,

858
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, okay, like we have to get through this

859
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: in the long haul. How do we you know, how

860
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: do we recharge? How do we uh stay how do

861
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: we stay motivated? How how do we keep you know?

862
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: How how do we move ahead and move forward? Not

863
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: get distracted? Yeah? I I I find myself like veering

864
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: wildly between tragedy and hope these days, which I think

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00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people, uh, a lot of people do.

866
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: That's it's supposed to be that way. It's supposed to

867
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: be that way, Robert. But nobody better in the long run.

868
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: I I don't think anybody benefits from this really, Yes, right,

869
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: there's no there's no meme stock, there's no meme stocks,

870
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: there's no there's no bunkers for rich people really, because

871
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: most of those won't work, their security won't stay with them.

872
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: Nobody nobody wants Yeah, there'll be like a like a

873
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: lot of last minutes sort of like oh funk, Okay,

874
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: we gotta do something. Yeah, I mean yeah, whether or not,

875
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: whether or not it's too late, you know, we'll see um.

876
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: But that is the sort of like Okay, it's at

877
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: your gate, now, what are you gonna do? I do

878
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: vacillate as well, Robert, between being so pessimistic and then

879
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: and and fearful and having hope because I have faith

880
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: in our resilience and that sooner or later we will

881
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: um start doing things and that maybe we can't avert this,

882
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: but I have less and less faith in that. And

883
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: in the meantime mine xiety builds every day and it's

884
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: like what we have. I mean, it's not in the

885
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: near future. So we've got years of this building frustration

886
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: and tragedy surrounding us before anybody is going to actually

887
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: do anything. And then who even knows. But I do

888
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: have hope that we will start to do something eventually,

889
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: because yes, you're right, Chelsea, it's at the end of

890
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: the day, nobody wants uh global collapse, even the rich

891
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: fox don't want it either. But there are people who

892
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: are invested in certain things collapsing like democracy, and I

893
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: guess one of the things that scares me. There's a

894
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: concept I try to really hammer home to people on

895
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: the left a lot. Because of the kind of low

896
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: rate of people on the left who are in the military.

897
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: This is not as widely known as it is, but

898
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: there's a great term, the ODA loop, which is used

899
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: to kind of describe the way people react in crises.

900
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: It was initially developed by a fighter pilot UM It's

901
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: been used heavily to like describe kind of the way

902
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: decisions are made in combat. ODA stands for and this

903
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: is kind of the process you have to go to

904
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: to act effectively in a situation. UM observe, observe, or

905
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: orients decide at the your key. If you are engaged

906
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: in a conflict with somebody and you want to stop

907
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: them from acting right, that's always the goal is to

908
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: stop them from getting to a You have to disrupt

909
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: some areas some part of the ODA loop. So you

910
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: have to stop them from observing the reality of the situation.

911
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: You have to stop them from orienting themselves to the situation.

912
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: You have to stop them from making a decision. If

913
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: you can stop them at any point, you can stop

914
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: them from acting effectively. UM. One of the problems with

915
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: the way the news cycle works, with the constant stream

916
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: of outrage and like this, this never ending wave of

917
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: ship that that makes people feel beat down in addition

918
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: to the things that are literally beating them down, like

919
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: occasionally cops, is it it It makes it really difficult

920
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: for groups of people to hit that to figure out

921
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: what how to act and if you're in part of

922
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: it is because like most of us sitting here overwhelmed

923
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: by the news cycle, are seeing, the problems is so

924
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: comprehensively huge. There's you know, environmental collapse and all these

925
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: different regions. There's authoritarians surging in different countries around the world.

926
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: There's different authoritarians rising in our own areas. There's all

927
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: these problems with It's this wide variety of problems. Whereas

928
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: someone who just wants to take advantage UM and tweak

929
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: democracy a little bit more to weaken it has a

930
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: very simple ode loop right, easy to orient, easy to observe,

931
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: easy to decide, easy to act. UM. I think one

932
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: of the things that fox a large chunk of people up.

933
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: And this is less a problem on the far left

934
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: than it is with the liberals who are the majority

935
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: of people, and obviously the group that is most important

936
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: to get behind an idea if you're going to like

937
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: make anything happen in the world. Is coming to an

938
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: acceptance that we are in what scholars Zet and start

939
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: Are describes as post normal times, and start Our wrote

940
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: that post normal times are quote characterized by uncertainty, rapid change,

941
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: realignment of power, upheaval, and chaotic behavior. We live in

942
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: an in between period where old orthodoxes are dying, new

943
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: ones have yet to be born, and very few things

944
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: seem to make sense. A transitional age, a time without

945
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: the confidence that we can return to any past we

946
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: have known, and with no confidence in any path to

947
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: a desirable, attainable, or sustainable future. Now, when you accept

948
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: that you were in post normal times, that improves your

949
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: ability to act because you're no longer worried about let's

950
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: get back to normal, let's get back to the way

951
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: things used to be, because you that's an impossibility, and

952
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: you can set yourself up in a situation like your

953
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: enemies are in where you no Instead, I'm not worried

954
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: about getting things back to normal. I'm worried about building

955
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: this and then your out a loop gets much simpler

956
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: than it's harder to disrupt you than you can come

957
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: to decisions about how to act much more simply. And anyway,

958
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: that's my positive little rant at the end. Love Yeah

959
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: you do off, thank you for that best year ever? Yeah,

960
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: response is not filming its confidence. If every year is

961
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: now going to be the worst you're ever, then let's

962
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: try just try to make this the best day as

963
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: we can. Yeah, I love that, and that's true. That's

964
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: a perfect way to end on all right, turn off

965
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: your headphones and go out and hug a dog. People,

966
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: do something nice for yourself. Hug, hug people, um, and

967
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: participate in an eviction. Defict It's fine, you guys, it's

968
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: fine to touch people. Put your finger just go ahead

969
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: and shove your fingers in their mouths. Thank you Katie

970
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: for bringing us to get another positive conclusion. That's my

971
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: job here, um, and thank you so much for joining us, Chelsea.

972
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: This has been such a good conversation. And Telsa, where

973
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: can people follow you? People can follow me when I

974
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: actually am on social media because for almost a month, um,

975
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: i am at Twitter dot com forward slash x by Chelsea.

976
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: I am also at I also stream on Twitch which

977
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: I will be streaming again. I am at Twitch dot

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Speaker 1: tv Forward slash x by Chelsea eight seven. I am

979
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: at uh. I'm on YouTube at YouTube dot com Forward

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00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: slash x y Chelsea. I have not actually posted on

981
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: YouTube videos yet uh and then, but they are forthcoming.

982
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: I am filming or I am editing. I also having

983
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: a TikTok account. I've been doing a TikTok's at TikTok

984
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: dot com Forward slash x y Chelsea TV. Awesome, thank

985
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on. We appreciate you coming.

986
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: Go follow her do all the things. I'm excited for

987
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: your YouTube channel. Also, I'm I'm on Patreon if you

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00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: want to if you if you want to do that

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00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: to paton Paton dot com, Patreon dot com. Forward slash

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00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: x y Chelsea is is my Patreon. And yes, i am.

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00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm around and I'm doing stuff. But I needed I

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00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: needed July to like reset my friend. Yeah good. You

993
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: gotta do that for yourself sometimes to Yeah one of

994
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: these days, yes, Robert Uh. And you guys can check

995
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: us out online at worst your pod on Twitter, in Instagram, etcetera.

996
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: You can, but you can follow from there in mine

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Speaker 1: crop Yes, and that's the episode so Dump and It's

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Speaker 1: not again. I tried Dan. Worst Year Ever is a

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Speaker 1: production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from my

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Speaker 1: heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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