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We can 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: talk about things that we don't normally talk about on 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: the radio show, which is just hardcore sports, and this 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: is a in theory a sports podcast. But we delve 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: into some other issues in real life, and back again 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: from west of the four oh five David gascon making 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: his way there. He is there, I am loud and proud. 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: Um is this is this an uncomfortable day for you? 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: Because if you've downloaded the podcast, chances are you know 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: who we're gonna have a conversation with a so so David. 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: That's assuming that most of the people can read the description. Wow, 29 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean already. I mean we're not even a minute 30 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: in the print. The prints fine. So do you often 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: listen to or do you often read the description when 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: you click on a podcast, because that sure it's held out. 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I well, I subscribe to some 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: but interview podcast. Yeah, like I I listened like Joe Rogan. 35 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll I don't listen to all. I actually don't 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: listen to that often. But if I'm looking for some 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: audio content, I want to hear an interview Ali or 38 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: who's Rogan got on? And then if it's someone the 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: description is good and it kind of gets me going, 40 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: I'll listen. If it's someone I've never heard of in 41 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: the description sucks, I'm not gonna listen fair enough. So, 42 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, but generally, Yeah, the podcast I subscribed to, 43 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, they're Automa. They're on my phone. I just 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: listened to them and when I'm wandering around doing my 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: sojourn around around town here. But yeah, we're gonna have today. Uh. 46 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: The chief for those that don't know, Uh, David's father 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: was a big cohuna at the l a p D 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: and and his most famous for the the time with 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: the O. J. Simpson case. He was the spokesperson for 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: the l A P. He was out in front on 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: that and he was on television globally and what he 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: spent over thirty years right with the Los Angeles Police 53 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: Department years in the department, man and and how wild 54 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: is this though? He was he was known worldwide for 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: what went down O J. And there was no social 56 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: media at the time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, do 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: you think about what it would have been like now? 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: And it but it was. I don't think it would 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: be much different because you could not get bigger than 60 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: the O. J. Simpson case. I mean, even with social 61 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: media it made it would have made it a little different, 62 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: But I don't know because and the reason why I 63 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: bring that up is because of what's gone on recently 64 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: with the whole election scandal, is that you have people 65 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: that are making these you have these affidavits that are 66 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: that are signed by these individuals and sworn testimony, and 67 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: you have news agencies out there right now either one 68 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: docks in these people or two resurface seeing their past 69 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: life like what they've done in their teenage years and 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: the early early twenties, and they basically try to out 71 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: these people. And I think more so now than ever, 72 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: is that if you had police officers that were involved 73 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: in this investigation and or the d a's office, I 74 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: think you'd have more agencies looking to these individuals and 75 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: try to discredit them if they felt like O. J 76 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: was in the right not in the wrong. So the 77 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: media spin what is easier to spin stuff in the 78 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: age of social media, because if you're on the right 79 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: side of big tech, you don't get censored. If you're 80 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: on the other side of big tech, you get censors. 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: So it's hard to get your message out because so 82 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: many people there's a whole different You're you're opening up 83 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: Pandora's box because that's a whole different conversation which we've had. 84 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: We've had that that people take social media way too seriously. 85 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: And it's the matrix. It's it's not really on that. 86 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: But we're getting sidetracked here. But the the o J. 87 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: If you're a young person and you're you weren't around 88 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: for o J. I was just in the early part 89 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: of my career when the trial was going on. I 90 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: remember I was still in college when the murder happened. 91 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: And then I got out and I started working in 92 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: San Diego and I was covering the Dodgers in the 93 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: in l A. And I remember I was living in 94 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: Orange County. I was driving into l A. And I 95 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: drive in that one on one corridor through downtown and 96 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: they had put up every parking lot right across next 97 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: to the and I said every There was two massive 98 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: parking lots right near the one on one when you 99 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: make the the the interchange with the the one with 100 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: the one tent like you know l A Freeways if 101 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: you're not in l A. But anyway, so I'm driving 102 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: there and they put up these giants, and I mean 103 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: they were like three or four stories of um, what's 104 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: what's the term I'm looking for? You know, those things 105 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: like painters stand on they're kind of like fake fake 106 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to I don't know what the term for 107 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: that is. But they so they could have the shot 108 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: of downtown behind them. Yeah you know that, yeah, so, 109 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: and and they were international media. It was wild a 110 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: panoramic view, right, yeah, exactly wanted the panoracs, so they 111 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: put up like planks of wood and so that the 112 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: reporters could stand and so behind them you saw the 113 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: skyline of l A. And they were reporting on O 114 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: J and UM. And I remember going to cover Dodging 115 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: games and during the trial part of it, and it 116 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: was people. There was a buzz in the crowd. This 117 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: was in the days without social media, and there were 118 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: I remember one night the Dodgers, I think they were 119 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, uh, either playing Atlanta or Cincinnati, and 120 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: a couple of guys showed up. They were they had 121 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: been on the Tonight Show. They were Judge Edo and 122 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: personators and the crowd David. The crowd went wild. They 123 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: everyone wanted to be and wanted to be around these 124 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: two knuckleheads and were dressed like Judge Edo, and uh, 125 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: it was pretty It was just it was crazy and 126 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: your your dad and just a central figure in that. 127 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to talking. We're gonna get to that. 128 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: We have to start with other stuff. They'll guess, gone, right, 129 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: we have to start with all this stuff before we 130 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: get to the meet with the Chief. Yes, yeah, alright, 131 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: So I think it's it's it's ideal with Mr West 132 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: of the four oh five all the time. Uh so, 133 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: why don't we welcome in the chief here, David gascon Man, 134 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: who was in the l APD for thirty two years. 135 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: And I get to work with his son, your son 136 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: here on a weekly basis. So when you found out 137 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: your child was going to become a sportscaster, did you 138 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: consider holding some kind of intervention? Uh not, in the 139 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: least you did not, Now, Uh why not? Because sportscasting, 140 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: if you were to rank like careers, sportscasting is kind 141 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: of on the back the backside of that. Well actually no, 142 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, oh look, he could be a politicians would 143 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: be worse, that would Yeah? And and who taught your 144 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: son how to park? His mother? Have you seen some 145 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: of the photo photograp chief? Have you seen? Because uh, 146 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: now I have. I don't go in right now because 147 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: of what's been going on this year. But when I 148 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 1: when I go into the studio and I'd park and 149 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: on nights your son was working there. Uh, he would 150 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: park in every kind of direction imaginable rather than in 151 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: the actual space. And I have photographic proof that this 152 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: happened multiple occasions. And and I blame you. Oh no, 153 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: not me, not me. I'm one of those guys that says, 154 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: shalt not but they would just say, look, details, details. Now, 155 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm here to take the point, you know, I'm here 156 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: to get involved in the important market to car Nah. Well, 157 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm happy to talk to you because I I support 158 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: law enforced, my wife's and one operator. It's been a 159 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: not a good year here chief for the you know, 160 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: people taking shots at the least and all that. And 161 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: I guess we get serious now, And uh, you're you 162 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: haven't had a career in law enforcement. When you sit 163 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: back and look at what's been going on here with 164 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: the media and open season on local police departments, like 165 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: what what from your perspective, Like give me your thoughts 166 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: on on how this has all gone down this last 167 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: year or so. Well, I think it's disgusting, somewhat predictable 168 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: and been there and done that. UM life was very 169 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: chaotic in the early seventies, UM due to a variety 170 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: of reasons, not the least of which was the Vietnam War. UM. 171 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: But we also had many many UM anti government organizations 172 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: that we're at work across the nation, and so we've 173 00:09:52,840 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: dealt with UM some very extreme violent organizations and uh, 174 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: it was it was really ugly. So to see it 175 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: come back is not a surprise. To see it so 176 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: politicized is not a surprise. That's more sophisticated now, But 177 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: a lot of things going on are more sophisticated, um, 178 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, to the extent that we're able to follow 179 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: some of these things that are not suppressed or not 180 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: handling the mainstream media. There's some really problematic things happening 181 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: now here in the country and really going on around 182 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: the world. So for for those that here defund the police, 183 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: like what are what are the the actual real world 184 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: ramifications of that, Like you you spent your had a 185 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: great run of the l a p D. You were, 186 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, one of the big shots there. But what 187 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: what does it actually mean Because we've actually seen in 188 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: some cities, as you know, they do you have defunded 189 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: the police. They have taken a good amount of money 190 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: away from law enforcement. So when they do that, that 191 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: in certain places, like what what happens is ares fighting crime, Well, 192 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: when you have less officers out there, less visibility, then um, 193 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: it is extremely counterproductive. And the result is you start 194 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: stacking up dead bodies and crime goes crazy, which is 195 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: what you see across the nation right now. Violence is extreme. Look, 196 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: we're only as good as the willingness of the community 197 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: to follow the law. And when the percentage of people 198 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: who don't follow the laws increases, for whatever the cause, 199 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: then they wreak havoc on the rest of the general population. 200 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: So if you get a percentage that starts getting higher 201 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: and higher, than you get civil and rest, and you 202 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: get crime, and you get all that violence out there. 203 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: And who who's going to look out for those poor people? Uh? 204 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: The only people traditionally that do look out for them 205 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: or your uniform police officers. And and that's the way 206 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: it's been, and it's been that way for or you know, 207 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: probably a hundred and fifty years here easily at least, 208 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: since there's been a need for a police department. You 209 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: have to go back to the basics. Why do we 210 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: have a police department? Because we have a need for them, 211 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: all right, So let's go back here to the summer 212 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: Chief And and I have that image the video in 213 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: my head still that was bouncing around social media in 214 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: l A. Here somewhere in l a where the camera 215 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: guy was walking down the street and there were there 216 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: were burned out police cars on like both sides of it. 217 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: It looked like a war zone. How it was not 218 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: just Los Angeles, It's happened a lot of places. But 219 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: how does that, How is that allowed to happen? How 220 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: how how are are these people that are allowed to 221 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: run around and burn police cars? It was just seemed 222 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: insane to me. Well it is. It's actually an attack 223 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: on um civilized society. So it's an attack on the taxpayers. 224 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: It's a it's a I mean those things cost money, obviously, 225 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: it's it's uh. It's a significant attack on a piece 226 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: of the community. And of course it wasn't just the 227 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: police cars. Um. There were victims that owned UM small 228 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: businesses along all of those quarters that you know, their 229 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: businesses were damaged, they were alloted, they were burned out. 230 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: Many of them UM members of the minority community that 231 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: have finally gotten a leg up and and have proven 232 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: to be successful after many years of hard work, and 233 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: what did we do? Um we we kind of um 234 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: burn them down to the ground and threw them out 235 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: of their opportunities for a bright future. And you've got 236 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: to ask yourself the question, who would do such things 237 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: and for what reason? Obviously, if you're trying to be 238 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: constructive to make things better, uh, and there are certain 239 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: things we can all agree to, then how does that 240 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: advance the course of discussion to torch police cars and 241 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: and burn people out of their livelihoods? It doesn't. Well, yeah, 242 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: and then the other thing about it too. You know 243 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the people that were doing that, they 244 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: knew who they were, but they just give them, not 245 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: even a slap on the wrist. They were they were 246 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: like in and out. It was a revolving door. The 247 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: prosecutors were not charging them with anything. So it's like 248 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: they got a free pass on that, which is also 249 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: mind blowing on top of it, like they you know, 250 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: they knew who was doing it in some locations, they 251 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: caught some of the people and they were not even 252 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: punished for it, which is which is just insane to me. Well, 253 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: it's it's another issue. Um. So you know how we 254 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: generally say don't paint people with a broad brush, And 255 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: we certainly would say that when we're talking about, um, 256 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: police officers in general, we don't want to paint it 257 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: with a broad brush. Um, but you would have to 258 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: say that about prosecutors to a lot of the activities 259 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: that you see going on under the direct results of 260 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: politics and the nature of where politicians are and how 261 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: they are influence and what they are trying to accomplish, 262 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: what suits their political preferences going forward. And I think 263 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of that go on in various 264 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: parts of the country, and and and that leaves you 265 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: somewhat speechless and disappointed. Um, But in a lot of ways, 266 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not disappointed that they lived up or 267 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: lived down to the expectations I have for some of them. 268 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: I think you've seen some of the most gross incompetence 269 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: in political leadership in the history of our country during 270 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah. Well, and following that train of thought, 271 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: I know when you found out that, I guess you 272 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: you know him live A. George Gascon is the new 273 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: district attorney in l A. Shares a similar last name 274 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: to you, and has much different feelings on how to 275 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: treat crime. In fact, the story came out I'm sure 276 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: you saw it here. This last week or so, the 277 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: new district Attorney in l A announced essentially he's going 278 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: to stop prosecutions on non violent crimes including trespassing, disturbing 279 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: the police, driving without a license, prostitution, resisting arrest is 280 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: on that list. UM, drug possession, criminal threats like all 281 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: that stuff is not going to be prosecuted. Uh, for 282 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: first time offenders. I believe. I think it's only for 283 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: first time offenders. But when you saw that, I mean, 284 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: this guy has a reputation. What what was your reaction? Well, 285 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: first and foremost, I know George. I've known George for 286 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: i'd say most of his career here in Los Angeles, 287 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: and I personally like George and I've always gotten along 288 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: with him. And when George left the l A p 289 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: D and ended up in Mason and then ended up 290 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: in San Francisco and on, and I was very much 291 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: distressed by um his politics, which I found shocking and disappointing. 292 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: And I like George personally, but I pretty much am 293 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: on the opposite side of the coin on just about 294 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: everything he believes in politically, and so I'm disappointed about it. No, 295 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: we haven't spoken and what I speak with him, of 296 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: course I would, um, And and do do I believe 297 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: that he's wrong in his approach? Yes, I do. And 298 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: what I would I be quite vociferous in my views, 299 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: You bet, I would be. Um. I think we have 300 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: to look at history, and we have a lot of history, 301 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: uh to look at in terms of what has proven 302 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: to be successful and what has proven to be unsuccessful, 303 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: and how to deal with our communities. There's no question 304 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: that we need to have a bond with the members 305 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: of our community. There's no question that all of us 306 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: are opposed to abuses that occur, and none of us 307 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: want to see abuses at the hands of police officers. 308 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: We can all agree with that, so we have to 309 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: be sensitive to that. We have to hire the best people, 310 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: train him as properly it is possible, and we have 311 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: to hold them accountable. But to watch the nonsense that's 312 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: going on as a result of some of these things 313 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: is kind of extraordinarily disappointing. Yeah, and it's also just 314 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: the quality of life issue with a lot of these things, right, 315 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: it's not you know, I say, well, you give people 316 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: a second chance. But as as you talked about earlier, Chief, 317 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: when you own businesses, and you know, people are disturbing 318 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: the peace in front of your business, causing trouble. They're 319 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: drunk or whatever, and they're making threats and no one's 320 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: gonna be punished for I mean that that affects the 321 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: quality of life. I mean I heard stories in San 322 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: Francisco of what went on when he was running the 323 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: show there, George Gascon in San Francisco, And it sounds 324 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: like that's gonna be coming to Los Angeles. But these 325 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: are really quality of life things. These you know, these 326 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: it seems like you meaningless stuff and the pictures how trespassing. 327 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: Who cares? But you know, somebody's trespassing in your property 328 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: right And this becomes a problem if it continues over 329 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: and over again. We want to espouse that we care 330 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: about people and we're sensitive to about people's welfare. And 331 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: and then if I were to walk you downtown and 332 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: look at skid Row and to realize that we have 333 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: probably sixty thousand people living on the streets in this 334 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: city in the worst of conditions, Uh, what does that 335 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: really say about how we treat humanely those of us 336 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: that have problems in the community. If you have a 337 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: mental problem, if you have a drug problem, etcetera. How 338 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: do we treat you well, Let you live in that 339 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: kind of squalor we let you get exposed to um 340 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: diseases and illnesses and things like that. Uh, we let 341 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: you live in an area infested with with rats and 342 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: feces and all those things that that kind of problem, 343 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, presents to a community. And and and yet 344 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: out the other side of our mouth, we're talking all 345 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: these great wonderful things we're gonna do. And oh, by 346 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: the way, send us more money so we can fix 347 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: this problem that actually we've created. Yeah, we have. We 348 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: have gone a long way to destroy some of these 349 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: major cities in this country. Um. I think Dave's been 350 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: up to San Francisco in the recent past, and it's 351 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: like shocking to hear the stories, and I hear them 352 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: from other people who have been there. But you know, 353 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm a big Kings fan, and I go downtown frequently still, 354 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: and you know, you don't want to get too far 355 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: off the main drags there because you're looking around and 356 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: you're saying, boy, you know, I'm allowed to pack a gun, 357 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: but a lot of these poor people here they have 358 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: no chance as somebody jumps them. Yeah, I was just 359 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: in downtown Los Angeles this weekend. I went to the 360 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: bookstore down there and skid Role. You know, there was 361 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: this point of demarcation, as you know that one in 362 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: one street over was was bad, and then over it 363 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: wasn't that bad. On the other side it was kind 364 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: of nice downtown. Skid Rose moved. All were a couple 365 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: of blocks. Now it's no longer just in that that 366 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: one corridor, and no one seems to want to address that. 367 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: Like the homeless problem, it's even worse, obviously because of 368 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: what's happened now with people losing their jobs. But everyone's 369 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: concerned about other things, but the homeless it just keeps 370 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: they keeps piling up. What's it gonna take for politicians 371 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: to actually do something about that? And it's something we 372 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: look at it this way. If your coach kept presenting 373 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: you with a football team that was three and thirteen 374 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: year after year, what's it gonna take. It takes a change. 375 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna have to change out politicians. People 376 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: are going to have to recognize that you can't keep 377 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: voting the same types of people in or the same 378 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: people in, because you're going to continue to get this 379 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: kind of nonsense. It's it's the definition of insanity, isn't it. Yeah, 380 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: it's it is is wild. What's been going on with 381 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: the on this problem? That's great though, you even you 382 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: are allowed to carry a weapon. When you go to downtown, 383 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: you kind of look around a little bit're like, wait 384 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: a minute, what's going on around here? This is not 385 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: This is not where I want to be. If you 386 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: go go a block over. Well, you know, we're really 387 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: concerned about health issues right now, so much so that 388 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: we have this interest in locking everything down. Uh, but 389 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: what are we not concerned with the health of those 390 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: thousands of people in the streets that are living on 391 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: top of each other in destitute conditions. Yeah, we act 392 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: like we're paralyzed and we have no ideas on how 393 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: to deal with them, and then we ask for more money, 394 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: and then pretty soon there's billions of dollars and you 395 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: look around and the problem has grown. So, you know, 396 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: there comes a point where you say stop. You know, 397 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: let's look at this again from the beginning and let's 398 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: figure out ways to fix this. We need solutions. We 399 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: don't need to keep adding to the problem. Yeah, absolutely 400 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: correct here, and so you know, going going forward, you know, 401 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: what do you You say you need new politicians, but 402 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: it's like the same type of people run for these offices. 403 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: So what's it going to take to get some new 404 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: blood politically to actually do something well? I think it 405 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: takes a significant frustration level in the electorate. Um. So 406 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: now we're watching this unfold as it relates to COVID 407 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: nineteen and the countermeasures that are being taken in some 408 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: um cities, counties, and states. We're in a position to 409 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: see what's going on and learn um those various actions 410 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: by elected officials across the nation, and we can make 411 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: judgments is to how they're handling handling themselves and how 412 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: they want to attack the problem. And what's happened now 413 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: across the country is there is a sizable percentage of 414 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: the population that has now come to the conclusion that 415 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: elected officials, many of them, are not to be trusted 416 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: and that their judgments are faulty. Um, that they say 417 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: one thing, but they don't believe it, or they don't 418 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: act like they believe what they're saying. Uh. They impose 419 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: certain rules and regulations and yet they ignore them themselves. 420 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: And the population has had enough, And I think that's 421 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: going to continue to grow, and the frustration is going 422 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: to continue to grow even though we're facing this health crisis. UM, 423 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: the frustration with leadership is um going to continue to grow, 424 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: and that's going to result in some further changes down 425 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: the road. So I saw a great video I think 426 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: it was from San Bernardino, the police, the guy running 427 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: the police out there, who pushed back on Gavin Newsom 428 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: here in California trying to you know, shut down businesses 429 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: as you referred to the lockdown which is really just 430 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: wild here in California right now, with businesses being restaurants 431 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: being forced to close, barbershops, all that stuff. And he 432 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: brought up a great point though about how in California 433 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: and it's in other states, these politicians are using the police, 434 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: their weaponizing the police to fight their battles with mom 435 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: and pop businesses. You talked to a lot of people 436 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: still in law enforcement. What what's been the general reaction 437 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: from from the people you deal with here about politicians 438 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: demanding you go in and you know, lockdown and arrest 439 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: people running a pizza shop. Well, I think, uh, there's 440 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: frustration at every level of of the community, and that 441 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: would include your public servants. UM. So I think the 442 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: address your discussing is a speech by I think the 443 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: Riverside County sheriff. There's about five sheriffs that have taken 444 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: some pretty strong positions in in the state. You know, 445 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: the state's divided, I think into fifty eight counties, and 446 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: the sheriffs are constitutionally um protect the position. And it 447 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: is one of the first things that we did when 448 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: California's constitution was was put together and passed. It was 449 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: it designates who the offices are and how the county 450 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: should be run. The sheriff is is certainly one of them. 451 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: And as some sheriffs may tell you, uh, the sheriff 452 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: may have more votes than the than any of the 453 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: members of the board of supervisors. So it's kind of 454 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: interesting when you watch some of the nonsense that's gone 455 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: on in Los Angeles with the power plays back and 456 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: forth between the sheriff and the county supervisors, and um, 457 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, the sheriff's have said, wait a minute. I mean, 458 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: I mean, look back and objectively look at that, and 459 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: let me considered. I have a real responsibility. I swear 460 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: an oath to the constitution also, and and in that 461 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: oath I have to be sensitive to all of these issues. 462 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to, um, I'm not going to 463 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 1: be oppressive and abusive to to a largely peaceful and 464 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: responsible community. And I'm not going to be used um 465 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: by some elected officials when they have no substantiated reason 466 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: for the actions that they're taking. On one hand, they 467 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: say it's about the science, except when you want to 468 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: see the science, the science doesn't support their views. And 469 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: then when you find them going out and doing the 470 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: opposite of what they're demanding the public do. Uh, not 471 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: only is there frustration, but you you're not buying it. 472 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: And and it's not just the elected officials. Are the 473 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: elected sheriffs that feel that way? That would be pervasive 474 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: in the ranks. Um, you don't want to be used 475 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: as a sheriff step at here as a police officer, Uh, 476 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: to be a tool of somebody who's doing something that 477 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: you believe is inappropriate and perhaps even unconstitutional. Yeah. And 478 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: I have noticed that the phrase, and we've talked about 479 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: on the podcast with your son here, that the out 480 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: of an abundance of caution. Like I feel like these politicians, 481 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: if they use that line, they think they can get 482 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: away with anything. Uh. And and common sense. That's the 483 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: thing that's lacking. You know, common sense is not common 484 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: right now. But you look at around the country in 485 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: certain states have opened up a lot more compared to California, 486 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: and they don't have the problems that California has. And 487 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: yet as you reference, you call the politicians out on 488 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: this and they just do a tap dance, and so 489 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: it just it's just going to continue on and on. 490 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: But uh, if you were, if you were in charge, 491 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: obviously we don't know all the data and all that 492 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: we know a lot of it on the internet. But 493 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: what do you think the proper way to handle what's 494 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: been going on here with this public health situation with 495 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: the COVID. Uh, if if you were in charge, what 496 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: do you think the proper way to handle it would be? Well, so, 497 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: so remember how we generally deal with a responsible group 498 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: of people. You can start with chill run And what 499 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: is our priority? If I was to tell you, what's 500 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: one of the very most important things we do when 501 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: we're raising children. You want to educate children. Certainly, you 502 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: want to keep them healthy and safe, um, but we 503 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: want to educate them. Education is a top priority. Police 504 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: departments and sheriff's departments. We come in after everything else 505 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: seems to have failed, and we're supposed to fix things. 506 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: We're supposed to neutralize the threats, the problems, and deal 507 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: with the the event itself. But the best way to 508 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: do it is to prevent problems from happening. And so therefore, 509 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: we want a robust educational system uh to take care 510 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: of how we nurture and raise our children. Well, the 511 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: same thing about education goes for adults. Um. We we 512 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: should have launched a major educational effort that goes from 513 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: the top of our state all the way through to 514 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: the local community and make sure that we provide the 515 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: best and most consistent unless they consistent twice uh. Information 516 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: out there. People don't want to get exposed to this disease. 517 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: People don't want to die. People want to live a 518 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: healthy life. People believe in the constitution. Uh, they can 519 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: express their free will, but they want to live. And 520 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 1: when we start trying to treat them like cattle and 521 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: heard them in different directions, UH, they've gotten to the 522 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: point where they're they're not gonna be hearded. Um. So 523 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: the best approach is always education. The best approach is 524 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: always too patiently try to explain and get them to 525 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: understand and follow without having to force and not use 526 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: coercive force of police and sheriffs departments. Yeah, and we've 527 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: seen as I said, you know, Florida they have had 528 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: a more hands off approach, for example, and they don't 529 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: have the problems that California is now. I also want 530 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: to talk in this political climate that we're in, Chief, 531 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: I love the fact that you, because of your your 532 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: years and law enforcement from what I understand, from what 533 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: your son tells me, and I've heard through the grapevine, 534 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: you have great relationships with people who you completely disagree with. 535 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: You referred to. We talked about George Gascon earlier, the 536 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: district attorney in l A who you are completely, uh, 537 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: the opposite of as far as his some of his 538 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: political beliefs. But but you get along with these guys. 539 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: We live in a world right now where if you 540 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: disagree politically, you you cannot be friends like you know, 541 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm more like you where I have friends that 542 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: are you know, I disagree with politically. But uh, you know, 543 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: how did we get to this point where now if 544 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: you if you're not in lockstep, you're done. Yeah, Yeah, 545 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: there's there's no question, and it's like, um, and we 546 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: can talk politics here. We have so polarized our political 547 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: environment here that it it's now pervasive throughout life in 548 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: the entire tree. Now you line up whether you're to 549 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: the left or to the right of center, and we 550 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: can't find the middle ground anymore. Used to be the 551 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: measure of UM. Successful politician was figuring out a way 552 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: to find win win propositions, meeting somewhere in the in 553 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: the middle. Um And. And that's the way you accomplish 554 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: things by meeting and working with each other. And we're 555 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: not doing that. We seem to have gotten to the 556 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: point where the political parties and the nature of the 557 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: parties and their philosophies supersedes the commitment to the United 558 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: States itself, to the Constitution and to the people of 559 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: the United States. UM. And it's a selfish and absolutely 560 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: selfish way to look at politics, to think of you 561 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: and your party first and not think of the American 562 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: public in adherence to the Constitution and what's best for 563 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: the United States. And that's where we are. And until 564 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: we can find elective officials that are willing to do that, 565 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: we're going to be in a world to hurt and 566 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: guess who's going to take advantage of it. I mean, 567 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: we're reading about it the last couple of days. There 568 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: are people constantly probing, constantly looking for a way to 569 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: weaken the nature of the United States. The rule of 570 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: law here has been undermined now for many years, and 571 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: so there are people who are they don't have the 572 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: best interests of the people the United States in mind, 573 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: political power and political power on the international stage as 574 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: a priority for a lot of people and a lot 575 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: of organizations, and frankly, those of us on this call, 576 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: we really don't count for much. How much of this 577 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: has to do us horn ourselves out to the international community, 578 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: whether it's China, Russia, the UK, Germany, whatever it may be. 579 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: Because we had this conversation off the air, but the 580 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: Chinese have systematically the infiltrated every area of our nation, 581 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:11,919 Speaker 1: whether it's politically, government, pharmaceuticals and medicine, academics, like they've 582 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: gone through and have taken shots at us and have 583 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, taken a little skin off the off the body. 584 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: We don't even know where we're compromised. That's how bad 585 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: it is. Um. I I remember pointing out a little 586 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: over a year maybe eighteen months ago to a good 587 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 1: friend of mine. UM the fact that we seem to 588 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: be arresting professors across the country UM at some of 589 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: our major universities for their involvement with the Communist Chinese 590 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: Party UH activities. And and then eventually we learn of 591 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: the gazillions of dollars that are being pumped into these 592 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: universities donations. Sometimes we're not even they're not even reported, 593 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: but but we're talking about billions of dollars that have 594 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: been funneled into the country. And there's a reason for that. UH, 595 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: there's a reason that you know, they're contacting local mayors 596 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: and trying to select people who have shall we stay 597 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: ambition and that may one day become Congress people and 598 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: may find themselves on the Intelligence Committee. There's a reason 599 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: for all of that that doesn't have by accident. These 600 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: are people that are help bent on doing what they 601 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: think is in their interests. And we we seem to 602 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: be naive, We seem to have our head in the sands, 603 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: so to speak, not to be aware of this stuff, 604 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: or we're not being educated well enough by the responsible 605 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: organizations in our government to be aware of this. UM 606 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: we we we we only have to look at what 607 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: going what is going on in the university uh systems 608 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: that to find out how threatening this is because our 609 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: young people are getting hit with things that lay eater 610 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: on translate into problems for our way of life. You know, 611 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: we we believe we have a great way of life. 612 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: We believe this is a great country, and there are 613 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: people outside of the country that believe we are a 614 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: major threat to the rest of the of the world. 615 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: You know, I think we all want to get to 616 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: the Star Trek universe at some point where we all 617 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: get along and all work together, et cetera. But across 618 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: the globe we've demonstrated we continue to demonstrate we're not 619 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: ready to do that yet. And those people that think 620 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: we can just flip the switch and do it are 621 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: are are really causing problems on the international stage, and 622 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: they're certainly causing problems in this country. So do you 623 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: think the root is money? I think money is a 624 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: means by which people can achieve the ideology. So they know, um, 625 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: those that have money to burn, so to speak, No, 626 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: that money can be used to accomplish what their goal is. 627 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: UM value money. It's it's a cornerstone of our capitalistic system. Um, 628 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: we measure success that way. We like the toys, we 629 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: like to buy things and own things, and we like 630 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,959 Speaker 1: to be viewed as uh significantly successful, etcetera. So money 631 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: becomes a natural uh tool to be used against us. 632 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: And it is so when we have positions like Eric 633 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: Swalwell a couple of days ago and Diane Feinstein's aid 634 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: from I think a year or two ago, that have 635 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: been caught or found to be compromised or at working 636 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: for a foreign intelligence agency or a government. What do 637 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: you recommend happens to those individuals here that are are 638 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: actually sitting in a position of power politically. Well, there's 639 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: a question of what the investigations might tell you if 640 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: you do an honest investigation. UM, it shouldn't be surprising 641 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: to anyone that experts know how to work us. You know, 642 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: they've spent a lot of time, they've spent years. They 643 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: know how to successfully um inject themselves into the political 644 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: life of a community or the or the country. And 645 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: they can do it in a sophisticated way. And you 646 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: might not even know it's happening to you until you 647 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: end up in a situation where you're other elbows with somebody. 648 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: You're having dinner with somebody, UM, but you don't understand 649 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: that there's there's another reason other than the friendship uh 650 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: that they have. And I mean we see this in 651 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: criminal activities. I mean, I worked undercovering arcotics back in 652 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, and you can see it then with 653 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: the people that you were interacting with. They're not Communist 654 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: spies or agents, etcetera. But they were criminals and they 655 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 1: had a reason for the things that they were doing. 656 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: And you know, you you kind of learn when you 657 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 1: get exposed to it. And some people in our country 658 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 1: FBI UM are are intelligence agencies that are far more 659 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: sophisticated and understand what we're dealing with. But we're not. 660 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: We're not educated at the level we need to be 661 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: what the threat is. And I don't think most of 662 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: our elected officials are educated enough or insulated from the 663 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,240 Speaker 1: kinds of things that can actually cause us grief. And 664 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: although I'm not a fan of Eric Swallwell's UM, I 665 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the I wouldn't be one to immediately assume 666 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: that he was an agent UM for the Communist Chinese. 667 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that at all. He could he could 668 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: clearly and easily just be a duke um and not 669 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: know any better. Uh, you know, which is remarkable if 670 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: you listen to some of the things that he said 671 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: over the last four years. So um, but I think 672 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: I think we have to realize there are people that 673 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: are twenty four seven. They are looking to damage the 674 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: United States and to subvert our government, whereas we may 675 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: and not even be thinking about those things throughout the 676 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: course of our days. One of the ways that they 677 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: have gone out for us is, I think we can 678 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: all agree with this is the way that the news 679 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: has been published to the masses, whether it's left leaning 680 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: or right leaning. Is there a fix for that? Well, 681 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: that's that's really problematic when we get into it. So 682 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, I fashioned myself a little bit of an 683 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: expert in dealing with the news media. I also recognize 684 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: that rather than seeing a large conspiracy here, we have 685 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: to understand who we're dealing with. His individuals and they 686 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: have some common traits, um, but they it's the way 687 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: they look at themselves and who they are, and it's 688 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: what their personal belief system is that too frequently gets 689 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: in the way of news and it becomes opinion. And 690 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: it also then provides a slant to the way stories carried, etcetera. 691 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: Now that's separate and apart from what the the um 692 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: the actual agencies that hire the reporters and put them 693 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: on the air or publish their stories. That's that's a 694 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: completely different issue, because again there's an ideology at the 695 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: top of those organizations, whether it be The New York Times, 696 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: watching the Post, ABC News, NBC, there are bosses in 697 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,240 Speaker 1: control that are guiding and directing what is going on below, 698 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: and we've seen some examples recently with CNN. So you know, 699 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: if you get this desire to unify on on a 700 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: purpose to be accomplished, and you have the power of 701 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: your organization to advance that, then you can be pretty 702 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: destructive to the extent that you can influence the people 703 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: that follow you. But when you have so many of 704 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: them that philosophically agree on something, the question then becomes 705 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: is the public well served? I happen to believe that 706 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: in a democracy, UM, we all need as much objective 707 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: information as we can get so that we can make 708 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: good decisions. Good decisions on who we elect office is 709 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. So I'd like to know 710 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: the truth about all of these candidates. And the question 711 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,919 Speaker 1: is am I getting it or am I getting only 712 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: half of the story? Which is the half of the 713 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: story that I'm allowed to hear. Uh So, I want 714 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: a free press and I want an objective press, and 715 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: I want to hear both sides of the stories. We're 716 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: not a country that says, okay, we have this. These 717 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: are the left newspapers and these are the right newspapers, etcetera. 718 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: We have our our papers who want to tell us 719 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: that they're telling us the truth. Our agencies on television 720 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: want to tell us that they're telling us the truth. 721 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: But the question is are they really on one side 722 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: of the political spectrum. I'm gonna pivot real quick, and 723 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: uh Ben can jump in on this because I know 724 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: you'll have some fun with it. Obviously, the O J stuff, 725 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: that's one thing. The Michael Jackson cases are another. But 726 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: the North Hollywood shootout, how would you have handled that 727 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: if you were in charge? Well, it's a tactical situation 728 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: once it starts going down. They so they effectively did 729 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: what they should have done. Um, you know the first units, 730 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 1: and I happen to know one of the officers in 731 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: the first unit that was there when you get when 732 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: you get to that kind of a situation, you try 733 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: to secure the perimeter. You bring in all the resources 734 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: that you needed. They did all of that stuff, but 735 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 1: we had been in a situation where essentially we had 736 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: shotguns in side arms, and then you're dealing with people 737 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: that are fully equipped for war, not only with body 738 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: armor but the types of weapons that they had. So 739 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: when you have automatic weapons, you have armor piercing rounds 740 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: and things like that, you're ready to see. You know, 741 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: you're a small infantry company and and so you know, 742 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 1: I think we ended up having ten or eleven officers 743 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: wounded in that two of them seriously, um you know, 744 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 1: shot through the femur and absolutely vaporized like four inches 745 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: of bone in the femer. I think for both of them, UM, 746 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: terrible situations. Yet we didn't lose anyone, but easily could 747 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: have lost them. And so um, they did what they 748 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: needed to do, and eventually one was killed. He was 749 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: shot simultaneously through the spinal cord at the same time 750 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: he pulled the trigger and killed himself. So both of 751 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,280 Speaker 1: those UM bullets ended his life. And then the second 752 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: one ended up down the street, and three or three 753 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: of the guys that used to work at SLAT when 754 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,919 Speaker 1: when I was at metro Um, they were the people 755 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: that ended up confronting him and he lost that firefight 756 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: and that that ended it. But that was you know, 757 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,399 Speaker 1: as that thing unfold it's easy to go back and say, well, 758 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 1: this is what we had and this is the best 759 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: way to have approached at et cetera. But that's not 760 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: how the real world works. The real world worked exactly 761 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: the way you saw it on TV and live action. 762 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: Is this started unfolding before your eyes, and it's a 763 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: dynamic situation that everybody's trying to respond to and trying 764 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: to make good decisions, trying not to get themselves killed 765 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: along the way, and not trying to protect the community. 766 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: Pretty interesting case. Yeah, and chief when you're when you're 767 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,720 Speaker 1: out and about, right when you're you're out and about, 768 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: is there a day in normal times when someone doesn't 769 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: bring up the O J case to you? Well, you know, 770 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: I just I did something a few months ago that 771 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: was just not television in October. It was a British 772 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: production company. And I tell people that's a that's a 773 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 1: case that will never go away because you'll remember at 774 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: the time it happened the way, uh it impacted the country, 775 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: and it's like, uh, there were so many different hooks 776 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: that this had into the community. People that were into sports, 777 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: people that were into movies and television, people that were 778 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: into advertising and marketing, people that cared about society, the 779 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: racial issue and those angles. All those things created a 780 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: following that made that one of those once in a 781 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: century types of stories that just gathered enormous interests. I 782 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: run into people to this day and it'll it'll come 783 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: up um where people want to talk about it and 784 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,839 Speaker 1: I want to talk about it um as one of 785 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: those moments in their lives where they remember every detail 786 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: about it. I talked to somebody the other day it 787 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,840 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I followed it religiously, all of it. 788 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: It's really yeah. I mean I find those people all 789 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: the time where they find uh interesting perspectives. Um. Because 790 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,040 Speaker 1: it was very dramatic. My part time job for of 791 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,840 Speaker 1: yusually used to reach scripts at night in the middle 792 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: of the night to be rooting scripts for Steven Bocco, 793 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: whether it's Hill Street Blues or one of the other programs. 794 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: But uh so I got to know some of the 795 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: producers and directors and a few of the actors, but 796 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: it was. It was interesting in dealing with some of 797 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 1: them in the years after the Simpson case. They would 798 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: tell me that, hey, this is this is what I 799 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 1: do for a living. I do drama. You know, I'm 800 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 1: thinking of these things. And he said that day I 801 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 1: thinking of One director in particularly said that day I 802 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 1: spent the whole day sitting in my bed at Big Sir, 803 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: watching what happened in this thing, this event, and watching 804 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 1: you on television and the two news conferences. He said, 805 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. It was one of those seminal 806 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,919 Speaker 1: moments in my you know, life in this country. He said, 807 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,359 Speaker 1: it just made that much of an impression on me. Well, 808 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: it did. It made that much of oppression on people. Uh, 809 00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: it turns out around the globe. You know. A couple 810 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: of years ago, I'm down on Argentina with one of 811 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,320 Speaker 1: the United States national teams and I'm in a meeting 812 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: with their Olympic Committee people. And the guy who spoke 813 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: in just leaked over and he said, the guys are 814 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,799 Speaker 1: talking about Jenny said, what do you mean they're talking 815 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: about me? We're down here to talk about the sport. 816 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: He said, They're all talking about you because they all 817 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: watched you and the Simpson thing. And I'm thinking, these 818 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,240 Speaker 1: guys are in buenas aries and they're talking about watching 819 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: the Simpson thing. It's like craziness. But that's what happened. 820 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,360 Speaker 1: It was it was everywhere, and it was of great 821 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: interest for a number of different reasons. And No, I 822 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: don't expect it will go away for a while. I mean, 823 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: they're teaching as a result of this thing. There are 824 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people that just want to They remembered 825 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: so clearly, and there was so much of a following 826 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,319 Speaker 1: and there's there's so much media about it that, um, 827 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,919 Speaker 1: I don't expect it's going to go away for decades now. 828 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,799 Speaker 1: Early on, Like, I know you've been asked a million times, 829 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: but when you first found out about this and you 830 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: realized that o J could be tied to it, Like, 831 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: what was the reaction among the department there, the people 832 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: around you when you found out, oh my god, this 833 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 1: could be you know, a legendary figure like oh J 834 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,439 Speaker 1: could be involved in something like this. Well, it kind 835 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: of goes back to that Monday morning. I got into 836 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: the office between eight and nine o'clock as I'm as 837 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: I usually do, and uh I was the commander at 838 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,320 Speaker 1: the time, and working with with me was Lieutenant John Duncan, 839 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 1: who handled a lot of the press and um I 840 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: would have him brief me every morning on anything that 841 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: occurred overnight or over the weekends. And John came in 842 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: and uh I said, anything going on over the weekend? 843 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: He said, not really, it was really quiet. He said, 844 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,760 Speaker 1: although we did have a double homicide in Brentwood, said John, 845 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: a double homicide in Brentwood. We don't even get murders 846 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,760 Speaker 1: in Brentwood. When you talking about double homicide, what's the story? 847 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: And he says, uh, O J. Simpson's ex wife. And 848 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: I said, quote O. J. Simpson's ex wife. Where is O. J. Simpson? 849 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 1: And he told me, which is interesting because you know 850 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people had that rush to judgment charge 851 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: they wanted to make against the l a p D. 852 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: But he said this, He said, I talked to the 853 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: guys from Robbert Homicide and they said he didn't have 854 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: any to do with it. He's in Chicago. Well, that 855 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,839 Speaker 1: was early information. So often the first information you get 856 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: is not totally accurate. That's why you investigate things and 857 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 1: it takes time. But the first briefing I received. I 858 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: asked that question specifically, and his answer was, now, he 859 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,919 Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with it. The guys say 860 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 1: he's in Chicago. Then later on that day, you know, 861 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: he returns, and then there's an interview, and then we're 862 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: watching this unfold. I'm getting phone calls from particularly from 863 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 1: UM New York and Miami, talking about the O J. 864 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,359 Speaker 1: Simpson I didn't know. Um A lot of us grew 865 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: up here that we're big U c l A Basketball 866 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: fans because we all loved John Wooden and he was 867 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 1: highly successful. And then we were also big USC football 868 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 1: fans because John McKay was fantastic and really fun to 869 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 1: follow and had great football teams. And then we had 870 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: O J. Simpson who was an incredible running back. And UM, 871 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: so we were big fans. And so as the story 872 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: starts unfold over a few days, it starts looking like, oh, 873 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 1: he he probably did too. O J. Simpson did this, 874 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: and he had people shaking her head. They just couldn't 875 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: believe it. And and it's in a lot of ways, 876 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 1: were like the general public, which is we watch people 877 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: on television and we think we know them. We watched 878 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,279 Speaker 1: interviews after they've been successful you know, they scored the 879 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 1: winning touchdown whatever, and they seem likable and warm and fuzzy. Uh. 880 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: They do a broadcast or they're in a TV program 881 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,319 Speaker 1: or a movie, and we like them and follow them, 882 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: and we know the successes of their life, and we 883 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: feel we know these people. And that's always a problem 884 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: for prosecutors when they deal with you know, V I. P. 885 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,399 Speaker 1: S Um, somebody with a high profile, because people think 886 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: they know them. Well, we as we found out, we 887 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: didn't know O. J. Simpson. Um. Eventually we found out 888 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 1: plenty about O. J. Simpson and so it was it 889 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,840 Speaker 1: was surprising, it was disappointing. And uh and yet have 890 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 1: you been around a while, you understand that, Uh, these 891 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,800 Speaker 1: things do happen. It happened in this case, tragic case, 892 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,360 Speaker 1: and the one thing that seems to get lost. But 893 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 1: I always make sure I bring it up as we've 894 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: got to think of those two young people who didn't 895 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 1: deserve to die, and they certainly didn't deserve to die 896 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 1: like that. Absolutely, what what do you think happened to 897 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: the murder weapon? Well, he had apple time to get 898 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: rid of it. Um. You know, there's plenty of speculation 899 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: on that. I don't have any speculations that there was 900 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,840 Speaker 1: somebody else involved. Um, I believe that, you know, not 901 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: only did he do it, but he's probably responsible for 902 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 1: whatever happened with it. Um. And it's gone. And so 903 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,239 Speaker 1: you know, you remember this story a couple of years 904 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,719 Speaker 1: ago over they thought they found the potential knife and 905 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 1: it didn't turn out to be etcetera. UM. A lot 906 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: of a lot of cases you're short on um, on evidence, 907 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 1: you're short on eyewitnesses, you're short on a lot of 908 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: things that you think you need. But the O. J. 909 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,319 Speaker 1: Simpson case, yeah, lacking lacking the knife, but the O. J. 910 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,440 Speaker 1: Simpson case had tremendous amount of evidence to the extent 911 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: that you there should be no doubt in anyone's mind, 912 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of people, UM, I really don't have 913 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,879 Speaker 1: any doubt that he did it. Yeah, when you chief, 914 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 1: when you see O J now on Twitter golfing in 915 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 1: Vegas and all that, and you saw the photos and 916 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,879 Speaker 1: all the evidence in that case goes through your mind 917 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: when you know, I went to jail for a while 918 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: for a crime in Nevada, but he's seems to be 919 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,080 Speaker 1: living living a pretty good life right now. Yeah, Well, 920 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,400 Speaker 1: I think back to what I heard early on, actually 921 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: before I became a police officer. I mean, I didn't 922 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,120 Speaker 1: grow up wanting to be a police officer. And I 923 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 1: ended up uh going to l A. Harvard College, one 924 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,239 Speaker 1: of our local community colleges here in Los Angeles, and 925 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: so Harvard College down here right off the Harbor Freeway 926 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,920 Speaker 1: in Wilmington's and I took some police science classes. That boy, 927 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: I was hooked in, I mean immediately hooked. We had 928 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,719 Speaker 1: a lieutenant down here that was teaching. The name was 929 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: Rudy da Leone. He eventually retired as a captain from 930 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: our Harlembeck uh station. And Rudy was like the pied 931 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,400 Speaker 1: piper of l A p D. I don't know how 932 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: many hundreds of us ended up joining the l A 933 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: p D over all the years that he taught at 934 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 1: Harvard College. But one of the things that we've always 935 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: heard about, and you hear it expressed in law school 936 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: and here to express all the time and philosophy courses, etcetera. 937 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: We'd rather a hundred guilty people get released than put 938 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: an innocent person in jail or even worse, you know, 939 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: have them executed. That it's the way the system works. 940 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: You have to believe that we have a great system 941 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,759 Speaker 1: of jurisprudence here. You have to believe in the jury system, um, 942 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,600 Speaker 1: And it's not going to be perfect. And so some 943 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,799 Speaker 1: some some bad guys are gonna walk away. They're gonna 944 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,360 Speaker 1: take their chances with the jury, and the jury is 945 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,359 Speaker 1: going to come back and say, we're just not convinced enough. 946 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,560 Speaker 1: They may go artificially in their minds from beyond a 947 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,240 Speaker 1: reasonable doubt, too, beyond any doubt, and they're gonna say, 948 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,719 Speaker 1: we can't convict you, and you go out the door. 949 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,360 Speaker 1: And if you believe in the system, and all of 950 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,759 Speaker 1: these law enforcement officers that swear an oath to do 951 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,960 Speaker 1: the best they can for the community and believe in 952 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,440 Speaker 1: the system, they shake their head. You know, I watched 953 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,879 Speaker 1: in the yearly seventies, I think in consecutive years where 954 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,920 Speaker 1: guys that had murdered l A police officers um walked 955 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,880 Speaker 1: out of court because juries had come loose, and it 956 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,719 Speaker 1: was just like stunning, UM. But you have to recognize 957 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,440 Speaker 1: that it happens. And celebrities do get a break sometimes 958 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,359 Speaker 1: from the fact that the community thinks they know them 959 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: and jurors are apt to give them more leeway than 960 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 1: someone else and so it's a little bit of frustration 961 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,279 Speaker 1: and you shake your head. Like I said, I kind 962 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 1: of think of the poor victims, um this, this guy. 963 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,480 Speaker 1: Eventually we have to hope he pays the price. He'll 964 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: answer to somebody far more powerful than us, but hopefully 965 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,719 Speaker 1: he'll be held accountable for it. But it's, um yeah, 966 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,839 Speaker 1: it's a it's a frustrating thing. Absolutely, listen, Chief, thank you. 967 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: I know when this is all we all got to 968 00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,360 Speaker 1: get together and hang out like like you real human beings. 969 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 1: You know by any time that it's always a pleasure 970 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: to uh spend time with you. And obviously I see 971 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,360 Speaker 1: Dave all the time, but you know, it's good to 972 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,520 Speaker 1: talk to the both of you. Enjoyed it. Be sure 973 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,280 Speaker 1: to catch live editions of The Ben Meller Show weekdays 974 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,640 Speaker 1: at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific.