WEBVTT - Episode 426: Who Should The Mariners Take In This Upcoming MLB Draft? With Aram Leighton (Just Baseball) 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.320 Open to episode number four, twenty six of the Marine 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.200 Layer Podcast. We welcome on our friend and recurring guest, 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.160 arm Lighton, the co founder of Just Baseball, to preview 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:10.520 this twenty twenty six MLB draft, who the Mariners could 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.000 pick at number twenty four, and some updates in the 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.360 Mariners minor league system so far this season. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:18.680 Your guys reminder before we start this show, just make 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.080 sure to go download these episodes and please go rate 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.160 and review and leave it five stars if you're listening 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.000 on the audio platforms wherever you might be listening, leave 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.120 that five star review. Hit subscribe on YouTube. If you're watching, 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:30.680 you guys can see the big red button in front 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.000 of you right, just go hit subscribe. You can look 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.280 at our website and find us on our website, marine 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.800 layerpod dot Com. Episodes are all there, patreons there, podcast 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.760 merch is all there again. That's marine layerpod dot com. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.120 And check us out on social media. We're posting content 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.960 every day and we're everywhere at marine Layer Pod. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:01:03.880 Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.440 episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:11.679 Baseball podcast network. Recording here on Tuesday afternoon, July seventh. 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.800 This is before the Mariners start their three game series 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.759 in Miami. We will talk about all the things happening 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:19.800 with the Mariners down in the state of Florida on 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.520 Friday's Mailbag episode. So just sort of a programming note, 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.399 there will be no current Mariners talk on this episode. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.000 It will be all in the minor leagues. But we 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.760 do love having arm On. He is as knowledgeable as 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.920 it gets with the draft and with the Mariners minor 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:33.679 league system. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.559 Yeah, he's great. I mean, we hit on a bunch 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.320 of different topics here. Everybody wants to hear about caid 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.400 and slow these days, so we hit on those, guys. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.039 We hit on the promotions to Triple A because, by 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:48.160 the way, it was after we recorded Monday's episode. Later 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.600 that Sunday night, it was announced that Lads and Arroyo 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.840 were both headed to Triple A. So we talked to 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.000 arm about that because that's obviously very very prospect worthy news. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.080 And then we get into the draft because as you 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.040 guys are sitting here listening to this, we're like four 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.960 days out from the draft and the Mariners aren't at 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:06.760 the same spot as they were last year. But that 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.520 doesn't mean there's not intriguing prospects down at that number 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.880 twenty four spot. So we have arm hit on a 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.919 bunch of guys with us, and it's a really fun episode. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.240 We won't keep you guys any longer. Let's get you 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:24.079 to that conversation with arm Layton. All right, we welcome 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.280 on our friend and recurring guest, Arm Layton, co founder 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.560 of Just Baseball, Arham, Thanks for hopping on here with us. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.280 This time of year has to be like the busiest 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.760 possible time for you, right, I mean you've probably been 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.000 prepping for this draft for how long now a little. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.760 While because it's hard to get a blended in with 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.760 the top one hundred update, which we just put out 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.520 a few weeks ago, and then it's just overdrive trying 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.000 to keep up with as many of the draft reports, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.880 and thank goodness we have Tyler Jennings who's helped a 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.200 lot on that front too, But just to get as 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.280 deep into the players as possible, and especially this year, man, like, 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.799 I'll never forget your guys' reaction to get Kate Anderson 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.519 last year. Unfortunately, no one like that's gonna just fall 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.519 where there's a no brain or obvious pick. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.000 So for picks like this. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.360 And I think this draft in general, there's just so 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.760 many different players that could go in so many different 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.320 spots that I just feel like I gotta keep learning 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:16.959 and keep learning. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.200 Okay, we'll talk about the specific players later in this episode, 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.680 but I am curious how long does it take you 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.040 to put together like a mock draft, Like what goes 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:26.520 into that. 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.040 Thank goodness for Tyler Jennings. Before we had Tyler and 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.960 when it was all just me doing it, Oh gosh, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.640 it just depended on how accurate quote unquote I wanted 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.160 to try to be on a pick, but as I 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.440 started to realize, it's kind of an exercise in futility. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.400 You just try to gather as much info as you can, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.960 figure out which players you think kind of fit that 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.960 description there, and just go with it. The part that 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.880 I think takes the longest is really like the player 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.400 breakdowns and just kind of understanding their strengths, their weaknesses 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:01.000 and everything in between, because the college day you usually 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.920 got to sift through it. There's some pitches that are 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.280 tagged really poorly. Uh, the pitch shapes aren't accurate, so 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.400 you got to kind of like fix all of that 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.600 and then go through it all. And again, Tyler does 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.600 an amazing job too with the high school guys, Like 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.160 he's getting live looks and we're talking about that. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:21.279 So there's a lot more of just like a. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.159 Detail oriented process where you're go into all these different areas, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.440 where with the minor league prospects, the data is a 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.880 little bit more easy to follow. I can watch video 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:29.599 on them, it's a little bit more easy for me 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.080 to see them live. And but even that process takes 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.600 a while. But I would say that the like the 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.480 player breakdowns, is really what takes a while, and the 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.760 tool grades and the pitch grades and all that stuff. 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.240 But that's the fun part of it. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.919 Which is why your drafts, why your mock drafts, and 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:46.960 your prospect updates are as good as they get like 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.920 other outlets do them. But arm really really goes into 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.440 the weeds of these breakdowns. So again, if you're looking 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.480 for draft breakdowns as we lead up to Sunday, if 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.840 you're looking for prospect stuff, I mean, just go right 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.479 over to just Baseball dot com. Speaking of that, like, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.520 we're gonna get into a bunch of stuff in this episode, 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.640 Like TJ mentioned, the draft, a bunch of prospects, and 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.600 we'll get into a couple of promotions here in a minute. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:11.039 But just since you mentioned us all being together last 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.200 summer at All Star Week and TJ and I's reaction 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.280 to Kate Anderson falling to number three, since you brought 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.599 it up, I figured i'd just start here. I feel 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.799 like our reaction back then has now been pretty warranted. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:24.560 As we look a year later. 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.960 But I'll ask you, what does Kaid continue to improve 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.000 on from your eyes from that College World Series start 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.640 where he went complete game to what he's doing now, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:34.800 which has been off the charts. 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.280 It's funny, I was thinking about that before we started recording. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.279 I was like, based on the way Caid's thrown now, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:40.800 it was actually an underreaction. 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.279 I think. I think you guys actually could. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.000 Have had more in there, because he's been one of 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.920 the most dominant minor league pitchers I can remember. And 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.479 what I keep going back to, and I just I 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.200 can't really escape this is that to me, he looks 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.080 like a big league vet rehabbing in the minor leagues, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.039 and I think that's the biggest thing we saw Kate 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.599 Anderson execute and just be more polished than his peers. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.239 In college, but the degree at which he's executing now 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.960 is just on a different level. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:11.800 I mean, even when. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.640 You look at what he did last at LSU, every 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.480 once in a while he'd leave that heater up, or 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.040 every once in a while, you know, he'd hang the slider. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.120 He's like never doing that now. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.719 It's almost like he's a robot and you've seen the 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.200 stuff improve a little bit, just in terms of the 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.040 life on the heater. And I also think the other aspect, 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.360 and this was something that I talked about with Justin 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.400 Toole at the start of the season during spring training, 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.880 is just Anderson really buying into just all of the 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.000 other aspects when the Mariners, the way that they approach 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:43.840 things on the mound and what they like to preach, 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.360 and the way that they want guys to attack hitters, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.720 and just the routine and all the little aspects as 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.640 well that I think is just taking Kate Anderson to 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.839 another level and has him carrying himself like a vet. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.080 But it really is the execution. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.760 Across the entire arsenal where it seems like he can 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.760 go to any pitch in any count and he's just 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.400 toying with hitters. And it's been one of the more 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.919 fun Like he is a guy that you can watch 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.320 the whole start and it's just as satisfying and aesthetically 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.880 pleasing to watch because of how repeatable the delivery is, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.560 how confident he is in every offering, and really the 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.840 way he can just toy with these double A hitters. 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.160 What's the difference from what Caid's doing this year to 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.600 what Trey's Savage did last year for the Blue Jays. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.920 I think what Caid's doing this year is like more 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:30.280 consistent y Savage, you had this outlier type of guy 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.680 that like, of course when he got up to the 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.760 big leagues it was just a different level. He got 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.760 hot and it was incredible, and I think he's obviously 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.440 a very special arm. The difference, I guess is that 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.880 y Savage was moved so quickly through the level, was 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.320 that like you never really got to see him fully. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.680 You have to like repeat what he was doing at 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.160 one stop. And then he got up to the big 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:53.040 leagues and again just hot outlier look with the high. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.360 Release and the splitter and it just it just worked. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.400 But with y Savage, it was like station to station 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.960 to station really quickly, and we never saw him throw 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.240 more than thirty three innings at one spot, which was 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.520 low a by the way, in twenty twenty five, that 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.720 was his longest day before he got to the show. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.680 Whereas when I look at Cade, like, this is a 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.920 guy that just was aggressively assigned, you know, and is 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.040 being challenged. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.000 Immediately Inaa would. 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.800 By the way that the ball in the minor leagues 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.560 this year, I think there's something going on. It is flying. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.320 You have guys with the same batted ball data the 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.840 head the year before, hitting way more homers. You have 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.440 you know, an eight seventy ops in the Texas League 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.960 where Kid's at right now, equating to like a one 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.880 to twenty three WRC plus, And it's like, how is 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.520 that only twenty three percent above average? Everyone's launching balls, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.280 and that's the craziest part. Was like even you Savage 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:41.640 every once in a while, you know, he'd get he'd 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:42.400 get clipped by a. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:43.960 Long ball when he was in the minor leagues. 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.760 And when you look at what Kate Anderson has done 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.800 is like nobody is even clipping him. Like he's given 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.520 up four home runs on the season. A couple of 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.160 those came more recently, but minimal hard contact if he 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:56.600 does give up a homer, it feels like it's a 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.440 solo shot. And it just the ability to limit damage. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.800 A two already slugging against a one ninety five on 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:03.800 base percentage allowed. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.440 It is just no one's doing that. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.720 Answer me this. I thought the ball was different between 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.400 Double A and Triple A. Is it the same? 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:16.480 Now it's it's it's flying like it's the same across 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.439 the minor leagues. It is supposed to be different, and 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.600 it is different. But I don't know what's going on 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.000 in Double A and High A. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:24.319 But the ball is. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.880 Flying, flying, flying, flying, and it is a different ball. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.520 The Triple A ball is supposed to be more similar 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.400 to the big league ball. But every checkpoint I've seen 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.559 in Hi A and Double A, and this is the 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.440 thing going to dive into on the other side of 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.200 All Star Week, just because we're getting through All Star Week. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.559 But I really want to compare the batted ball data, 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.200 like the home run to fly ball right, like what 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.160 percentage of fly balls are leaving the yard compared to 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.320 previous years at each league, because something's fishy for sure, 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.600 and I think that only validates what Kate Anderson's doing 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:52.040 even more. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.200 What does cad How does Kaid stack up historically against 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.360 some other performances you've seen in the minors. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.560 Man, I was thinking about the other day, and I 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.400 can't really think of a player in recent memory. And 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.040 I'm sure like some people could dig one up really 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.959 really quickly and be like, oh, this was this was 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.320 maybe a comparable type of performance. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.320 But one hundred and eight strikeouts. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.120 To ten walks in Double A and that's your first 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.679 pro season at the level. I can't think of somebody 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.400 off the top of my head that's done that anytime recently, 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.120 especially in that Texas League. So I'm sure once we 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.160 get off like one will come to me. But on 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.839 the spot, dude, like the balance of command and with 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:36.840 where he's striking out forty percent of guys too, it's 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.079 a whip below point seven. I can't think of a 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.800 player like that doing this in his first pro season. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.319 Would he benefit anything from going to Triple A because 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.160 often teams keep their prospects away from the PCL and 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.520 away from Triple A because the ball flies and it 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.439 doesn't do much for your development. That being said, I 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.920 just don't know what it is challenging him at this 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.520 point in Double A so I've been curious to pick 0:10:58.559 --> 0:10:59.319 your brain about that. 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.520 It's It's funny, like at first I was always thinking, oh, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.199 what's the point, But honestly, like, if you can keep 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.360 limiting damage there like that, you'll be able to do 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.000 it at the show too. And in terms of what 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.120 the PCL is, the other aspect is maybe just getting 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.560 a little bit more accustomed to throwing with, you know, 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.400 a big league type of ball. The seams are tighter 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.080 and all those different things. Is that's the one thing 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.120 I have noticed very much is you see these these 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.719 pitching prospects. And I don't think it's gonna be a 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.880 prolem for Anderson obviously, but a lot of even top 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.160 pitching prospects, they get to trip a a they lose 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.120 a couple of inches of vert on the fastball, maybe 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.080 they don't trust the fastball as much, and then. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.160 They start nibbling a little more. The walk rate creeps up. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.400 It's a little bit slicker, the seams are a little 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.600 bit flatter, and they just don't have the same grip 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.880 and it takes some time to kind of find that feel. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:42.959 You can also just do that immediately up at the 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:43.680 big league level. 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.959 But if we're already just watching this like this exercise 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.240 of Oh, Kate Anderson goes out, Kate Anderson dominates. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:50.760 Okay, we wait for him to go and pitch again. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:52.959 It may not be a bad thing to just give 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.599 him a variable if he gives up three homers in 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.520 a start in the PCL. I think this guy's even 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.880 keeled enough to know that it's not. 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Speaking of Triple A moving up to Triple 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.280 A Tacoma this week, why do you think the Mariners 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.239 decided they were going to do this now. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.360 With with with A Royal and Las Yeah, I don't know. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.960 With a Royo, I see the fit right where it's like, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.280 you guys got to figure out a way to hit lefties, 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.880 and Arroyo is a guy that's kind of built I 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.040 think to be able to do that. And there's certain 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.200 players that they don't hit lefties, you know, as well 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.800 as you'd expect in the minor leagues, but then they 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.720 get up to the big leagues and they handle lefties 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.160 a little bit more easily or more quickly than they 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.320 would have. You know, I handled the righty's what getting 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.880 up there, just because everything's breaking towards them. You're not 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.320 dealing with right on right sweepers and all these nastier 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:51.120 sharper stuff. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.080 And with a Royal, I just I feel like the 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:54.760 way that he has swung en of late too. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.360 He's been on a different level since maybe about a 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.280 month and a half ago, I mean, and it has 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.280 been just ridiculous, ridiculous numbers. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:03.120 And I also just. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.520 Think about the comfort and playing different spots now and 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.040 he's starting to play or continuing to play a good 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:09.920 amount of left field. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:11.359 I'm just thinking. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.240 About you're hoping that the Mariners are going to go 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.839 out and get that short platoon guy because Rob Refsnyder 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.560 is not really doing it, and I was really hoping 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.880 Brendan Davis would get his opportunity, but of course the 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.920 hamstring issue and even then, like we're kind of digging 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.480 around here to find that short platoon guy. I think 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.640 for for a royal like that seems to be a 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.840 role that I could see him very much succeed And 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.160 and again I know it's been slightly reverse splits, but 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:34.920 I wouldn't expect it to go that way in the 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.000 big leagues. Everything breaking towards him. He demolishes lefty fastballs. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.400 I think he'd be able to handle it, and I 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.120 think you'd see those splits normalize with laz I think 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.560 it's just kind of time, I guess. But at the 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.920 same time, he's one where it's a triple A is 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.080 gonna be easier for him. So that was where it 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.040 was a little surprising for me. But you also had 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.440 sixty four games in double A last year for last 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.760 where he was twenty two percent better than league average, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.560 another seventy nine games at double A where he's now 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.320 forty four percent better than the league average. Those swing 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.280 and miss has been roughly the same. It's just kinda 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:10.480 might as well just push him up to trip a 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.840 A and get him a step away from the big leagues. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.800 The funny thing with Lazo is like I think he'll 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.640 probably end up wiffing less in the PCL and he's 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.120 definitely gonna hit more home runs. So with his power 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.880 in that environment, like it's gonna be a match made 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:26.640 in heaven, and maybe he gets hot and if you 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.520 need a bat, you bring him up, or maybe he 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.560 torches the level and I know Mariners fans are gonna 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.080 like shiver there, but that could be a guy that 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:33.480 you dangle in a potential trade. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:34.240 Mm hmm. 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.520 So do you think the Mariners are essentially just accepting 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.280 he's always gonna strike out at a really high rate, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.920 because I guess my take was, as somebody who's not 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.160 a prospect expert, I always figured he's gonna have to 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.200 cut the k rate down before they ever promote him. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.480 But they promoted him and he's still striking out over 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.880 thirty percent of the time. So is this just the 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.560 Mariners essentially accepting who he'll be as a hitter. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:15:59.920 I think so. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.920 You know, there's always the hope that it can happen, 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.640 you know, later on or whatever. But I think just 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.640 because he's also productive, it puts him in a weird 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.160 spat and you don't want him to get like stale 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.840 at the level and stagnate. And it's twenty five homers 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.400 in seventy nine games, and I think at this point 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.400 it's it's kind of a matter of just trying to 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.120 challenge him now with maybe guys that aren't gonna have 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.000 as good as stuff and maybe can execute a little 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.280 bit more, and then just ultimately, I think the the 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.480 only test, the only way to really because how are 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.000 you gonna convince lazarro Montest to make a swing adjustment 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:36.920 right now? Like, yes, I'm sure he'd want to swing 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.640 and miss less, but he's on pace for fifty homers almost, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.480 Like how do you convince that guy to swing? Like 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.480 to swing differently? And when I talked to the Mariners 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.280 brass before, like when I talked to some people before 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.240 the start of the season, I kind of ask him 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.120 like big barrel tip, like he really gets his hands 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.760 out there, Like are there any things you'd want to adjust? Like, no, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:59.160 We're more focused on approach, all right, So I don't know. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.800 It's a very interesting situation. But when you look at 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:05.560 you las, like sixty percent contact rate at double A, 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.639 the odds of that translating to big league success as 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.280 currently constructed are are swim because you would have to 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:17.399 have him maintain that contact rate exactly and he'd still 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.080 be among the lowest in Major League Baseball. You'd be 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.840 hoping for like that Murakami type of outcome, but Murakami 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:23.640 doesn't chase at all. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:25.080 Laz has gotten better with. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.560 The swing decisions, but he's still he's still right around 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.880 average in terms of the chase rate. So I can't 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.600 really make too much of I can't totally figure out 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.479 what the move would be other than it just get 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.880 him one step closer to the big leagues and get 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.120 him hot, because you know he's gonna get hot up there. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.960 What is Kyle Schwarber's contact rate? Because that feels like 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.879 a best case scenario for Laz where he's gonna walk 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.760 a ton, he's gonna hit the ball really really far, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.640 but he'll still pile up his strikeouts. So where where 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:55.120 is that at? 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:55.680 Yeah? 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.120 When when I brought up that, like that hot end 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.640 outcome on the radio show, that that was kind enough 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.000 to bring me on to I'm sorry, I can't remember 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.520 it off the top of my head. And you guys 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.919 had like live texting, right and I was getting cooked 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.160 for that. They're like, what do you mean best case scenario? 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.560 Like we don't, We're aiming higher than that. Whatever, Like 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.440 you get this guy out of here. I'm like, oh man, 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.920 really like Godber's a sixty nine percent contact right. 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.000 That's pretty wow. So ten percent higher at. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.520 The major league level. Wow. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.240 And I don't mean to do this like last as time. Right, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:30.680 he's twenty one years old. And I think there's tangible 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.560 things swing wise that he could fix, like to clean up. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.720 Like when you look at the way that he moves, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.160 he's super stacked on the backside, and then he really 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.960 tips that barrel over like it is pointing to almost 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.840 what looks like left center field, and then he's got 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.120 to bring the barrel all the way back. His hands 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.520 also get out far away from him all the way back, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.520 and then it's got to flattened back out behind him 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.640 to get on plane. And I just think it has 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.960 to travel like especially just like the heart of the 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.280 barrel has to travel so far to make contact that 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.600 it's gonna give him a wider chance of being able 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.120 or a higher chance of swinging and missing. It's gonna 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:08.840 be harder to kind of meet the ball at the 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.600 same point every single time. It's gonna be harder to 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.640 have that same timing and to get on plane quickly 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.200 when you have veg up and in. I think that's 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.040 part of the reason why he struggling against lefties, because 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.120 the barrel gets so out far away from him, then 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.480 the front side kind of feels like, oh. 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.080 Wait, I got to get this barrel out of here. 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.040 So he kind of leaks open with the front side 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.119 and then that's how the barrel gets, you know, on plane, 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:27.800 is to just kind of create space and kind of 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.240 get it out. You see the front side of his 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:30.960 body kind of open up to get the barrel out. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:32.840 And if you do that against lefties, you're gonna pull 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.119 off the stuff. He's so freakish with his bat speed 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.520 and his hands, he's able to make that work and 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.119 still hammer mistakes and hammer righty. 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.359 Stuff and all that good stuff. But I think when you. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.719 Have pictures that are executing a little bit better and 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.800 you just got louder stuff, having to travel so far 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.840 with the barrel and having the mechanics that can kind 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.520 of get awry, I think can get exposed a little 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.280 bit more. And that's why I like think that this 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.399 part is what's been ignored a little bit with laz 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:03.080 is that two percent contact rate is is would be 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.399 hard to have success with at the highest level, and 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.719 he's doing it double because you can fall behind oh 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.320 two and then just get a cookie down the middle. 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.760 That's how it goes, and he doesn't miss those. But 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.000 when you're down oh two in the big weeks, you're 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:16.520 not gonna get that mistake to bail you out as 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:17.720 much you're gonna get put away. 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.200 So is a decent comp for him, Luke Raley. I 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.399 brought this up to you before we started recording, but 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.879 again you mentioned it. There is no prospect We've had 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.320 to feel more questions about than Las Montes because again 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.399 people people heard the Yordon comp five years ago and 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.000 really haven't let go to it, which I'd never thought 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.080 was a fair comp at all, because you're comparing him 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.399 to maybe the best hitter in Major League Baseball when 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.280 he doesn't have the approach that Jordon has. But if 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.560 he's Luke Rayley with a little bit more power where 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.160 he just crushes righties, he's not gonna play much against 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:51.240 lefties because, by the way, as you know, Arm his 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.760 platoon splits are really really rough. He's not gonna play 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:56.880 a ton of defense, but he can provide some pop 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:58.960 when there's a right handed arm on the mound. Like 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.640 is that a decent I think, like Luke Railey if 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:08.200 you're like a full power grade higher is not a 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:08.840 bad camp. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.720 And I mean even look at like Luke Raley's max 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.080 ex velocity. I think of his career as one hundred 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.560 and fifteen point four miles per hour. Lass is at a 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.840 homer one eighteen this year, so like, you know, there's 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.000 more power in there. But in terms of like the 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.360 qualifying contact rate and kind of the type of hitter 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.200 you think he may be, yeah, he could look look 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:28.720 something like that. But the interesting part is, like Luke Railey, 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.240 he still hit twenty two homers in twenty twenty four. 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.560 I think the Las monss version of that season would 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.359 be thirty something homers. And if you do that, like 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:38.840 he's gonna have years where he's could be a three 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.840 win player and can be thirty forty percent above league 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.000 average offensively. The problem is there's also gonna be stretches 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:49.359 there where pictures are executing. I talk about it with 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.639 some of my buddies that are like playing and that 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:53.720 just have rough stretches that they don't think there's anything 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.400 wrong with them. It's just like I'm getting mlb'd right now, 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:58.560 where it's just you gotta tip the cap. There's nothing 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.399 you can do just like good morning, good afternoon, good night. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.320 And I think with guys like last Monts like that's 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:04.919 gonna happen a little bit more frequently, because if you 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:06.880 execute your game plan against a guy with that much 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.399 with you can put him away fairly off. And the 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:10.920 thing is, I think he'll get himself to a point 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.320 where he's never missing the mistakes. In the big leagues, 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.160 he's he's hammering velocity, and anytime he's ahead, he's gonna 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:18.240 he's You're gonna be in trouble. 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.440 But I think it's gonna look something like that. 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.560 Which is like the thirty to thirty three percent strikeout 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.200 rate he homer is enough to you know, to keep 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:31.719 that offensive production above average. And then when he's hot, 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:33.880 you know, and and and he gets through a stretch 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.520 where he's seeing enough over the heart of the plate, 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:37.680 you know, he can give you some of the better 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:38.840 hot stretches. 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:38.960 That you'll get. 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:43.159 I think what helps Montes' cases, he's got time to 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.200 improve in that regard, and he could be a guy 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.800 that makes a mechanical adjustment. If he improves his contact 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.600 rate by five percent, you know, I think it makes 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:51.400 a huge difference. 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.879 I didn't even realize this until while you were talking 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.679 of looking this uPAR him. There's not a single player 0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.960 in Major League Baseball currently at the at the top 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.240 level who has a sixty percent contact yes. 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:03.880 And I try to explain this. 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.840 To people with players like Wells, and I just feel 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:08.840 like I get yelled at and then they'll get all 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:10.000 these other counterpoints. 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.680 But that's the most important thing, Like what you have to. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.760 Make contact, no matter how good your quality of contact is, 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:16.719 You've got to make contact. And I always look at 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:18.960 the big league qualifiers and I'm like, all right, well, 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.480 you know, who do you want to be? You know, like, 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.000 what's your best case scenario then? Or do you want 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:25.280 to be the new outlier? Do you want to be 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.840 the new guy that figured out how to produce making 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.879 contact half the time? I just don't good luck And 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:34.000 maybe somebody could do that, but I'm not gonna bet 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:34.680 on that guy. 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:35.640 You know. 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:37.640 I'm not gonna be like, hey, this is the guy 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:39.359 to be the new outlier. It's going to be tough. 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:42.520 So that's the problem with it is, Yeah, when you 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.879 start to look at contact rates across the game, not 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:49.720 a ton of guys are even qualifying South of sixty 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.679 and I think the closest the closest example would have 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:56.000 been Murakami, but we didn't even see Murakami have enough 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:58.520 time to like start to maybe struggle a little bit 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.399 or whatever it may have been. He's like sixty one percent. 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:03.840 But again, the other aspect of it is murk Kami's 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:05.639 one of the most patient hitters in Major League Baseball, 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:07.440 so that would probably be the path that Liz would 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:08.000 have to follow. 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.840 There is unfortunately some Joey Gallow in his game. 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.200 They're just yeah, like what I'm looking at here, guys, 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:19.200 is that like if if there's like a dream scenario here. 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.280 Nick Kurtz is in the bottom six in Major League 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.520 Baseball in contact percentage, but Laz from his current rate 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.720 would need to raise his contact percentage seven and a 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:32.440 half percent just to get to Kurtz. He's number six. 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.560 But that is kind of like the dream scenario because 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:38.080 you have this elite ability to just destroy the baseball. 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.200 He elevates the ball so consistently, and. 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.239 That's why, like Laz has the path, that's why he's 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.639 still a top one hundred prospects. Like he's got to 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:47.040 be the lowest contact rate of a guy I've ever 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:50.080 put on the top one hundred, but that's the avenue 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.200 and it's still got to be yeah, six to seven 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.679 percent better. And then you've got to have the you know, 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:56.600 the approach and the ability and the consistency I think 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.560 that Kurtz has. But that is like the dream and 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:01.520 that that that's the amazing part with Kurtz is he 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.280 is kind of the outlier to be as good as 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:05.520 he isn't as consistent as he is. 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.320 But to your point, it's got to increase by that much. 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.480 At the highest level, Kurtz was seventy five percent plus. 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:13.760 I think in the minor leagues. 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:17.280 Let's shift to Michael Royal here because he got promoted 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:20.840 alongside Las. It's clear he can hit, but where is 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:24.000 he going to play defense? They've split him pretty evenly 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.520 this year between second base and left field. Is there 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.160 any data to suggest he's better at one of these 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.560 positions after he's actually played these consistently in the regular season. 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.440 It's funny because I think he's come along pretty well 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:40.160 at second base, but then this year splitting the time 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.040 I think is affected as rhythm a little bit at 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:42.520 the position. 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:44.520 When I watch. 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:47.639 Him, I don't think he's bad in the outfield. I 0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:49.200 think there's a world where he can be a fine 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.160 left fielder. And look, I think for a player like him, 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.440 where you're not going to get a ton of value 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.520 at any position, he plays, at least be versatile, and 0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:01.040 I think that helps his case. But I felt like 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:02.639 you'd got to a point where he was playing second 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.320 every day. It looked like he'd found a rhythm where 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.359 he's very comfortable with the routine. He'd surprise you with 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.840 the range a little bit, the arm accuracy had improved. 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:12.640 But now that he's playing both, and I think it's 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:13.879 a good thing that he's playing both, but it just 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.520 has I think affected some of the consistency at second 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.439 base and has affected his ability to maybe even make 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:20.159 some of the routine. 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:21.399 That's it. 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:25.280 I think he's fringy at both, and I think that's 0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:26.920 a good thing. I'd rather you'd be fringy at two 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:29.800 than one. And he's definitely not a disaster by any 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:31.399 means in left field, and it's coming. It seems like 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:32.760 he gets better each time you check in. 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.520 Yeah, and just in terms of like Mariner's positional fits, 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.200 that feels like a potential a ros or rain of replacement, 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.760 because it's pretty likely Randy's going to sign elsewhere after 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.719 this season, and the Mariners don't have a ton of 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:47.640 open spots on their infield. But you know, you can 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.240 maneuver it next year, where Donovan's still playing a majority 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.120 of third base. He obviously have Cole Young and Colt 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.719 Emerson up the middle and Arroyo and left. I mean, 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:56.399 I think that would all work out positionally. 0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.000 I think so, And you know, he's quick enough to 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:02.600 cover enough career. I think if he's really focusing just 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:04.880 on that position, I think a Royal will get more 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:06.960 and more comfortable out there and get to a point 0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.560 where he can be fine. And yeah, I think left 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.040 is a little bit less demanding in general anyways. 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:16.280 But I think with a Royal in general, I don't 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:16.800 see why. 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.240 He couldn't be a forty five grade defender at left 0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.639 field or forty grade at worst. And it was always 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.200 gonna be bat first with him anyways, so I think 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:26.520 he could be more than fine out there. 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:29.879 What's your evaluation of what we've seen from Colt at 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:30.720 the big league level. 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:32.720 You know, you always kind of figured it was gonna 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:33.479 be a bit of a process. 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.520 You also know that he's long been one of my 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.600 favorite prospects and guy that we had number two in 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.920 our latest update overall and had number three. I think 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.840 even before that the start of the season, I think 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:45.200 all things considered. 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.800 He's he's been solid. I think there's a little bit. 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:49.600 Of him now of late too, just being on the 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.600 defense and just try to trying not to. 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:52.840 Strike out so much. 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.800 Like it just seems like that's uncharacteristic territory for him. 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:57.840 You saw a little bit of it and trip away 0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.639 though even too, which I think that Emerson situation, it 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:02.280 might be part of the reason why they want Las 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.920 up there too, is like even though this stuff might 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.040 be sharper and double these guys are so good at 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.080 executing and talking to players in their experience and making 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.480 the adjustment in the past. Is like these catchers, they'll 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.720 see one swing that you make and call the next 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:17.879 pitch accordingly, and that never really happens in double A 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:19.800 where they know they can kind of figure out how 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:21.720 to get you out. It's a lot of big league 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:23.920 former big league or guys that are up and down 0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.160 type of catchers, and the game planning is just different 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.080 and all those different things, and you saw Emerson, who's 0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:31.160 just been so good back to ball wise, even in TRIPA, 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.600 that strike out rate jump by ten percent. So I 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.960 think with him, it's just kind of getting used to 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.840 the idea that hey, I'm gonna whiffle a little bit 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:42.560 more than I'm used to, and I think he's going 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.720 to obviously chip away at that. But on the other 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.800 side of it, it's seven homers in forty one games 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.280 in a situation where I still think he's again battling 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:52.520 it on the defense a little bit. 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:54.440 I think is encouraging. 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:57.360 I think the underlying I think people look at the 0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.440 savon page and say, oh no, But I don't worry 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.480 about that as much. For a twenty year old who's 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:04.360 getting his first taste of the big leagues and for 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.680 a team that's been trying to spark it offensively, team 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.920 that's really struggled from top to bottom against lefties anyways, 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.000 I think a lot of other rookies in his position 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.440 would be maybe insulated a little bit more, and he's 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:16.960 just kind of been thrown out there, which I think 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:18.840 is great because if the Mariners is going to reach 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.000 their ceiling, it's because coleld Emerson really finds his stride 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:24.200 in the second half, but I think overall it's been solid. 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.120 I think there's been some yellowish flags. I thought the 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.400 swing decisions would be a little bit better. But it's 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.480 important to remember that he's only played thirty or forty 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.240 four games above Double A. 0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:36.400 And this is a player that also lost out. 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.840 On a lot of minor league games period through injuries 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.200 in the past, so he's still kind of developing at 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:42.880 the highest level. 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.080 He was just good enough for his last phase. 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:47.120 Of development to be still while he's trying to help 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:48.760 a win now big league team. 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.480 Let me ask you about one more prospect before we 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:53.520 get to a little bit of draft stuff, because it's 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.560 the prospect that currently sits at the highest spot on 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.280 your guys' list. And we talked about Kate Anderson for 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:01.880 the first few minutes this episode, and for every good reason, 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.760 because he's been phenomenal. You guys have him ranked to ten, 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.920 which is a stunt, like you're the ten rank prospect 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.600 in baseball. You're doing a lot of things really really well. 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.280 But you guys have Ryan Sloan at five, and I 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:16.000 feel like there's no point at this point where you 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.160 can talk about one arm in the Mariners system without 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:18.480 the other. 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:22.120 And we talked about Cade, but why do you love Sloan? 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:27.200 Yeah, And this is like the important note of you know, 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:31.000 we're ranking future big leaguers and not the not minor 0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.840 leaguers right because if you're ranking minor leaguers right now, 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:35.800 of course Kate Anderson, it might be the best prospect 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.160 in baseball. But and I think Kate Anderson projects really, 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:40.960 really well, and you could see a guy that could 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.920 be could be a front line arm I think most 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.000 likely Lands is a really solid too. Ryan Sloan has 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:51.160 the stuff to be an ACE, and Ace is not 0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.360 the best pitcher on a team aces And it's funny 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.560 talking about this with scouts is like, I think people 0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:57.640 think there's thirty Aces. 0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.280 There's like eight to ten at a given time. 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:05.480 If that that's generous in Major League baseball. Sloane has 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:07.520 that kind of stuff, and I think it's important to 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:11.840 note like he's just turned twenty years old, he's in 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.640 the same league that Yes, it's been amazing how Kate 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.600 Anderson's been able to limit damage, But Swoane, I think 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:19.360 people might look at the era and be like, oh, 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.320 it's inflated. The ball was flying ridiculously out there. He 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.200 had a couple I would just say it kind of 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:32.040 clunker starts, but otherwise the strikeout to walk rate this 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.320 kid is was nineteen years old at the start of 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:38.400 the season. He's seventy seven strikeouts to twelve walks at 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:41.959 double A. The thing that I get most excited about 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.880 is his fastball is averaging ninety six and a half 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.800 miles per hour and it's not even It might be 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.000 one of my least favorite aspects of his arsenal and 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:54.400 of his game. It's the whole pitch mix that stands 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:55.840 out to me. I think his sweeper is one of 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.880 the best in the minor leagues. The cutter is fantastic. 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:00.800 The fact that like he just picks up a baseball 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:02.760 in spring training and says, I'm gonna try to figure 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.520 out how to throw a sinker and adds that. And 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.560 that was the biggest thing, because I think the one 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:11.080 concern was, Okay, what's the face the fastball shape gonna 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:14.160 look like. The best way to insulate fastball shape is 0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.640 one throw really hard to throw another fastball, and he's 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.880 doing both of those things. So when you have all 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:21.800 of those things coming together where you've got a clear 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.040 plus heater. You've got a seventy grade sweeper. This splitter 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.600 just continues to come along, and that's a plus pitch, 0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.600 and then this bridge cutter in between, and then oh yeah, 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.200 by the way, this newly turned twenty year old six 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.760 foot five, two hundred and twenty pound, you know, just 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:40.800 stud commands his stuff outrageously well, like seventy percent strike 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:44.040 rate on fastballs, sixty eight percent strike rate on breaking balls, 0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:46.680 and a sixty percent strike rate on the on the splitter, 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:48.520 and that could come along a little bit more, but 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.440 it's not bad at all for where he's at. We're 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.160 talking about a potential ace. If it all comes together. 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.120 That where would he I mean, that's so fun to 0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.320 just hear and hear you break down because you're one 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.960 hundred percent right about there's a different There's not thirty 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.400 aces in baseball. Every team can have a number one, 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.760 but you're one hundred percent right the aces in baseball. 0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.080 You're right, there's there's less than ten. And it's the 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:14.120 names everybody knows Scoobale, Skimes, Sanchez, Yamamoto like that group. 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.080 So to hear you say he could one day be 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:19.800 in that rank of guys is Marrion's van should be 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:20.400 pretty excited. 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.160 I'm glad I could say that after like just the 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:26.360 whole lass uh uh rain on the parade there, but no, 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:28.800 they should be. And you also put it like you 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.440 put him in an organization that like it's like the logan. 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:34.200 You look at the logan Gilbert. 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:37.520 Template and you build with Sloan and you have your 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.960 hands on swe earlier. You have some one that's ahead 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.320 of where Gilbert was at at that age. But you 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:46.840 have the success I think with so many different talented, 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.760 talented right handers. And doesn't mean that it's going to 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:52.360 end up the same way, But I would love to 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.760 just get Mariners people on record that have been there 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:57.800 long enough to see, like all of these guys and say, 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.800 how does Sloan compare to talent wise to all of 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.840 them at the age that you brought them into the organization. 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.680 And my guess would be that they'd say Slowness is 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.920 as talented, if not the most talented, of any of them. 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.520 Where do how does he look different in a bullpen? 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.399 You think, because it sounds like the Murders will bring 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.600 him up in I would guess September and put him 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:21.719 in that bullpen for the past. 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.440 So that's the reporting out there and we'll see if 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.080 it happens. But they think in September Caid and Sloan 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.080 are both going to be in the pen for if 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.600 this team makes the playoffs. Their ideas like, just get 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.080 your best thirteen arms in the organization on the roster 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:36.280 and see what happens. 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:40.279 I love it because also like two elite makeup guys too, 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.640 that the experience would be so invaluable for them, and 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:45.960 having another left team the fold in general with with 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.560 with Kid would be great. Like I said, I think 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.400 the one area is like maybe the fastball could get 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.279 hit a little bit just because of the shape if 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.160 he's if he's not executing it as well as he 0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.440 possibly can. But then you've got the two different fastballs, 0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:00.000 and then him in short spurts s everaging ninety six, 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:04.000 he's touching ninety nine plus on the fastball affording with 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.480 triple digits. If he's in a one to two inning 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.879 spurt with adrenaline, he's probably gonna be sitting ninety eight 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.680 ninety nine exceeding triple digits. And if you're doing that 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.080 fastball shape matters a lot lot less and he has 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.680 touched one hundred this year, So like, I think that 0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:25.279 fastball sweeper combination alone in right on right matchups would 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.239 be a nightmare for hitters. And then the fact that 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.880 he's got the cutter and the splitter too is great. 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:32.839 But I think if you're putting him in a position. 0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.239 For success, like he could be at low leverage right 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.759 on right situations and just be way too good for 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.560 that spot. So like the field, because the feel for 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.160 the splitter is still coming along, he doesn't even need it. 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.080 You go right on right with that seventy grade sweeper 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.000 and a fastball at ninety eight and two different fastballs, 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:51.680 I think he's gonna be pretty good in a bullpen. 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.160 Let us tell you guys about Cozy Earth. Cozy Earth's 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.520 mission is to make home the best part of your life. 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.360 They send us their bamboo she set. 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Actually, 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.680 who is someone we haven't talked about yet that you 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:11.680 think Mariners finn should look out for here in the 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:12.320 second half. 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:14.440 Ooh, that's a good question. 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:20.200 It's funny because Arroyo would have been my pick just 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.400 because of the way that he's swinging it of late? 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:26.040 Can I can you come back to me on that one. 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:27.360 I want to give you. I want to give you 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.560 a proper answer. Sure, let's okay the. 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:31.880 End of the show, we can come back to it. 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:33.799 Yeah, I'll give you a good answer on that one 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:34.440 on the back end. 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.080 So with that, let's transition a little bit to the draft, 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.520 because it's like TJ said, we are days away from 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:44.040 the MLB Draft. Every draft seems to have its own 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.120 theme or its own kind of makeup. 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:47.600 Does this draft have a theme to you? 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.440 This one is interesting because you know, twenty four was 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:55.840 very college heavy. I think twenty five felt like it 0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.120 was a little bit more high school heavy. 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.480 This one, I just think is top heavy. And I 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:00.920 don't mean that. 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.480 To say like the Mariners won't get somebody really good. 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:05.879 And we already saw this in the twenty five dropt. 0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:07.719 There's been like second third rounders that have just been 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:10.520 going off that all of a sudden are top one 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.040 hundred prospects. It just feels like for me, there's a 0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:19.239 clear like Tier one one A and it's Chilawski, you know, 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:20.440 And you can say this in a lot of years, 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:22.360 but I just I feel like this year especially, it 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.759 just kind of jumps down a little bit, at least 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.960 just for the obvious before these guys played professionally. When 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:33.080 you look at chowlawski Emerson and Lackey especially, like those 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:34.920 guys just kind of feel like they're in their own 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.960 element and even you could maybe throw Buris is like 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.360 the one buffer guy between that. But then when you 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.640 go to the next tier of like those bats, I 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.680 just think it kind of drops, which doesn't affect the 0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:47.600 Mariners at all. I'd be kind of worried about it 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.080 if I picked at like nine, because I'm like, I'm 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.759 in this a little bit of an in between phase. Again, 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.840 things always change, but as of right now, that's the 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.000 one theme for me is just and then the other 0:39:58.120 --> 0:39:58.479 is just. 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.120 I feel like it's it's a heavy at the top. 0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:03.560 There's a lot of arms in the Mariners range, and 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.400 I think that's why they're kind of tied towards a 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:06.320 lot more of those arms. 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:10.360 But for me, I think that's that's kind of the case. 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.280 Are the Mariners going to get back to their roots 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.560 in this draft and go back on a run of 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:16.680 drafting college pitchers? 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:19.440 This would be kind of the draft to do that. 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.640 I think it depends on how things shake out, you know, 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:24.680 like who they got on their big board and whatever 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.640 it may be. However, with the way that you assume, 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:30.759 and it doesn't always go that way, but the way 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.600 that you would assume, the draft would kind of unfold. 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:36.959 It seems like a lot of the guys that would 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:40.760 be on their perceived big board would that would be available, 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.960 there would be arms, and so I could see it 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:44.640 going that way. 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.120 That said, like we're going to talk about some individual players. 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.080 I think there's a couple of bats, one in particular 0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.279 that if he's there, and maybe I'm wrong, I just 0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:55.399 I really like this guy and Bo Lawrence I think 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.160 he could go earlier than that, and I based on 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.359 what the Mariners have done in the past, I think 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.719 would be a guy that they would really like and 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.600 just just kind of fits the bill of they have 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:08.640 such a good eye for just these these advanced high 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.360 school hitters with the makeup that is just going to 0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:13.439 work really well, and like they draft people so well. 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:16.360 I love Bo Lawrence and I think he could be 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:17.799 a good fit for them. But when you look at 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.479 the way that you anticipate the draft to run off, 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.279 it seems like a college arm kind of fits the 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:23.879 bill for them. 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:26.960 Let me know if organizations think this way, because like 0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:30.040 if you're the Mariners, this this group of people running 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.160 the org have been there now for a whole decade, 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:34.560 and they have a decade's worth of data that every 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.160 time they pick a college starting pitcher in the first round, 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.200 the worst case outcome is the guy who threw seven 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:43.160 shoutout innings on Sunday in Emerson Hancock. Like that's literally 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.880 out of the college pitchers, that's the worst one they drafted. 0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.239 Or so I guess you what, Roldan, why would you 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.879 do anything else when you have like examples of these 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.320 high school hitters you've picked, where you have one super 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.640 blue chip prospect in Colt Emerson, but then you have 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:00.400 a lot more volatility after that. 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:02.799 I was gonna just say really quick, like, I guess 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.879 you could throw Jorangelo into that bunch, but if he's 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:06.680 the worst one, you got Brandon Donovan out of him. 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:08.880 But that's going to say you knew, you you he 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:10.919 still had a ton of value and you maybe knew 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.200 the writing was on the wall that wasn't as good 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:17.719 as you'd hoped, and you capitalize, right, It's funny because 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:22.040 I think that one hundred teams are cognizant of like 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:25.960 what they're good at, and I think a big part 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:28.600 of that has to be, like, hey, we we develop 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.279 these types of players quite well, and we do well there. 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.040 But at the same time, you don't want to shoehorn 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:38.400 a pick to fit your your tendencies if the draft 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:40.520 doesn't call for it, right, And I think that's where 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.959 it's there's a balance. I think if you've got two 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:47.239 exactly similar players in their big board, it's twenty one 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.279 and twenty two, and one fits kind of what they've 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:52.000 had a lot more success with, I think that's something 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.160 they consider. But you could also argue that the Mariner's 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.040 about a lot of success with you know, high school bets, 0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:58.680 and they've had a lot of success in a lot 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.960 of other ways. And actually, like in the time that 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:02.600 we've had now, I could give you a couple of 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:04.080 the answers of guys that I think are going to 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.800 ball out in the second half. Both are high school bats, 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.080 by the way, But I think I think it's something 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:14.920 they consider. But ultimately, I really do believe, especially in 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.920 MLB draft, aside from the variable of like negotiating the 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:19.880 deals because it is kind of open season more than 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.359 people like to think in terms of just like negotiating 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:23.880 it and that being a big. 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:24.520 Part of it. 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:26.400 It's the best player available that they can work a 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.040 deal with, and if that doesn't work out, then yeah, 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.879 maybe they go back to what they're comfortable with. 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:36.240 When do these agreements take place? Like, are there agreements 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:37.080 in place right now? 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.200 I think there's a lot of tentative agreements in place 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.759 right now. Yeah, and a lot of back and forth 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.080 and a lot of things change, especially as it gets closer. 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.760 But a lot of phone calls, a lot of busy agents, 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:53.319 a lot of conversations. If this goes like this, then 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.760 you know, we'll agree to this and all of that stuff. 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:58.480 But I will also say it goes the other way 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.360 off and a lot I hear all the time players 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:00.920 being drafted. 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:02.959 I had no communication with the team. 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:07.320 We just And that's one where it's maybe the team 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.600 had two or three guys that they had some arrangements 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.399 made with they came off the board, or they they 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:16.440 as a pick got closer, changed their mind, somebody else 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:17.960 came in with a better off, whatever it may be. 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:21.040 Bottom down, a team behind the Mariners offered a couple 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.040 hundred thousand dollars more who knows, and they got a 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:25.600 panic and go make another pick, and they'll just go 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:26.960 off the big board and say, we haven't really talked 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:28.880 to this guy yet, like let's take him and we'll 0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:29.480 figure it out. 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:31.680 And it kind of. 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:33.600 Goes all ways, which is why the MLB draft is 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:35.920 just so nuts. 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.520 So different than the NFL draft and the NBA draft 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:40.279 in that way, because you know, there's not negotiating like 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:42.200 that in those drafts for the most part, or in 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.320 baseball it's so different. Let me let me throw a 0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:47.879 couple of names at you, because at least in mock 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.279 drafts and and what you guys have talked about at 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:54.279 points two. If the Mariners draft the college arm, something 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:57.239 they've done a lot, the guys that seem to be 0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:59.799 in that mix are as follows. Because there's a couple 0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:03.120 name You've seen Kyd Townsend from Old miss. You've seen 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:07.880 Cole Carlon from ASU. There's Tegankuns from Tennessee. There's Mason 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.440 Edwards from USC. There's probably a couple of it I'm missing, 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.920 but there's a handful of college arms projected around that range. 0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.080 Is there one guy you like better than the rest 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:16.600 of that bunch. 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:19.680 I like Townsend the most, I think, and I like 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.480 him as a good fit for this or too. The 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:24.959 fact it's funny because it's such a deep mix and 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:28.200 you'll get swowns. It's similar in the regard that, like, 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.919 if there's one knock, it's probably that the fastball performance. 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:35.520 And now Swan's fastball is performing really well because he 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.960 throws so hard at the level and the two fastballs, 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.640 but like Townshend's fastball, you'll get the specs. I would 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:42.040 have thought it would perform a little bit better. 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:42.520 It didn't. 0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:45.920 That was like his one achilles heel, I guess. But 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:50.920 there's so many secondaries and such a sharp combination of 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.239 breaking balls and a pretty good change up as well 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.000 that I think that's a really fun pitcher for them 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:57.920 to build on. And they say, Okay, well, maybe you know, 0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:00.000 he finds a tick or so, or maybe he finds 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:01.200 change up or whatever it may be. 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.359 But Towns in like the cutter looks like it could 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:05.560 be an elite pitch. 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.400 It's just wipe out the slider off of that looks 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:10.040 like it could be a plus pitch as well. The 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:12.720 changeup is flashed above average hole mix and a curveball 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:16.160 as well, and the fastball like it's getting nineteen plus 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.520 inches avert. I just think his release can be a 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:20.600 little bit stock and I think hitters just tend to 0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:22.520 see it pretty well. So that's something that you know 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:24.759 they'll they'll try to work through. But I don't think 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:27.319 of the group of arms, I don't think anybody has 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:30.040 it as complete of a pitch mix as Townsend does. 0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:32.279 And I still think he can be able to work 0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:35.160 through the fastball, maybe underperforming a little bit. 0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.520 Why did he have the most? Oh? Go ahead, low? 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:38.799 Oh? 0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:41.560 I was gonna say, there's still other guys to talk about, 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.279 But why do I feel like he's going to be 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.279 the pick? I was wondering who your answer was going 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:48.040 to be amongst this? He kind of feels like a Mariner. 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.280 And it's not just because you said it. That's exactly 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:52.000 the name Joe Doyle throughout to us a couple of 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.080 months ago, like the right. Yeah, so you guys have 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.720 both said Townshend feels like a really good fit, paired 0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.279 with again right handed college arm, decently polish, like has 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:03.000 a couple of pitchers that have the chance to be 0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.000 really really plus offerings. 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:05.680 I don't know. 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:08.520 For some reason, I'll call my shot here now and 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.600 I have nowhere near the information that people like you 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.360 and Joe do, But I feel like that's gonna be 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:14.240 the pick if he's there. 0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:17.160 It's exactly how I felt when I was going through it. 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:18.520 And the other fun part is, I know a lot 0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:20.280 of teams kind of subscribe to this, but the Mariners 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.000 as much as any they don't draft the era right, 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:24.920 and it's like a four to seven eight career era 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:29.040 for Townsend, late Bloomer in terms of just like really 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:33.160 finding it command wise. This past year, you walk twenty 0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:36.200 and thirty four innings twenty twenty five, and he walked 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:39.840 twenty two and double the innings, you know, this past season. 0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:42.480 I always feel like the Mariners love those up arrow 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:45.520 guys that still aren't even close to hitting that next step, 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:47.400 and it's a template that. 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.160 I just think they can work really well with. 0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:52.799 Does he have the highest upside of this batch of 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:54.640 pitchers at that pick or is there someone else? 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:57.520 Pitching is so tough because it's like an abstract dar 0:47:57.640 --> 0:47:59.360 like there'll be guys that I just don't think have 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.680 the same up but then they add two pitches, or 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:04.520 they find something and or they find two ticks and 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:05.720 it's like holy crap. 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:07.279 So you never know. 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.960 But when you look at like Cold Carlin, like it's 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:15.920 there's a reliever risk there, but he has a wipeout 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.920 slider from the left side and average ninety six with 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.799 his fastball, So like theoretically, if he finds a third 0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:26.120 pitch that's more reliable and he's filling up the zone, 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:28.440 that guy could have his high of a ceiling he 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:30.400 as anybody. But for me, when I'm looking at just 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:32.799 the template and what i'd want to work with and 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:34.600 what you can kind of build off of as a 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.160 starting pitcher, I think Townsend does have the highest ceiling 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.160 because even when you go to like Tikan Kun's like 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:42.839 fastball's got great shape at ninety three to ninety five, 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.319 but then the secondary's just lagged behind. He's got a 0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:47.759 good curveball. I think that looks like a plus pitch, 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:49.839 but that's the upper seventies curveball. So you always wonder 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:52.120 how some of those like slower breaking balls are going 0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:54.439 to perform against professional hitters. I think it'll perform well, 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:57.600 But then the gyro slider didn't perform as well, and 0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.840 the rest of the secondary's just lag behind Mason Edwards. 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:06.280 It's like ceiling wise left inner from usc like low nineties. 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:09.239 He has some deception to his delivery, but anytime I'm 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:10.920 using the word deception, the ceiling is not going to 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:13.160 be as high. So it's a low nineties with deception. 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:16.440 Crossfire curveball is a banger, but this is a guy 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:18.560 that's going to need to execute to have success. So 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:22.160 I do think Talenten has the best or the highest 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.799 ceiling of those guys, assuming Carlin doesn't like spawn a 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.840 new pitch and just just you know, have this like 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:29.440 Peytent Toley type of ascension. 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:33.200 What about someone like Cameron Flukey, who we've also seen. 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:35.960 Sheer raw ceiling. 0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:39.200 You could make the Flukey case, and I think that 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:41.360 would be the one guy that I think has maybe 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.680 the highest individual ceiling of the bunch. But he also 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:49.120 comes with like, you know, some concerned floor wise, you know, 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:51.920 like he's coming off of injury that limited him a 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.640 fair amount this year. His fastball maybe as good as 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.160 is just about anybody's in the draft. You look at 0:49:57.160 --> 0:49:59.360 Flora like that's probably the gold standard in general in 0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:02.440 the draft, but there's effort in the delivery. It's a 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:06.240 long arm action. The command just off of the injury 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:10.160 just wasn't there. But when you look at what could 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:14.200 be with Fluky, this is a guy that has again, 0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.879 I would say other than Flora, probably has the second 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:20.399 highest ceiling pitching wise in the draft. Maybe you could 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:23.080 probably throw Gio Rohash because he's a prep left. He 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.520 throws fuzz as well. But I think when you look 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.759 at Fluki's fastball and pair of breaking balls and he's 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:31.160 six six, that's someone that I think the Mariners will 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:32.719 look at though, and if they picked him, it's like 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:34.719 we feel confident that we can clean a couple of 0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:37.279 things up with the delivery, and if he's healthy, he 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.120 can be a rocket ship. But you're gonna have a 0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:42.279 lot more I think hands on work there to get 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:44.600 to that ceiling if. 0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:46.680 They're gonna go position player. As we start to wrap 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:50.440 this conversation up, you already mentioned Bo Lawrence. We can 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.239 start with him, but if they go bat over arm 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.880 in this draft, Bo Lawrence is the high school bad 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:57.360 who you're really high on. So why do you like 0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:58.280 the guy? 0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:00.719 Swing is so advanced and I think there's so much 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:03.120 projection in there too. He's younger for the class. He's 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:05.640 still eighteen years old, will be eighteen until September, middle 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:10.520 of September six five, two hundred, and really is moving 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:12.560 well on the left side of the infield. For he 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:14.239 may ultimately slide over to third, but I think he 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.080 could be really solid there and they'll probably give him 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:17.759 some opportunity. 0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:17.799 To prove that he could. 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:21.000 He could stick it short, but regardless, like moves really 0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:22.160 well on the left side of the infield. 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:25.080 I'm just so impressed at how smooth the swing. 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.400 Is for a kid that's that big and long levered 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:31.400 and just just already so ahead in that regard, and 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.239 you think about how much power could be in there 0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:35.560 as he just continues to fill out, because he's still 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:38.719 just very slender and the swing is very smooth. But 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:40.600 I think could he could generate a little bit more 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.200 violence in there, but it's all already so repeatable. 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:44.720 He has such a good feel for the barrel. 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:46.320 You know he's going to grow into more strength and 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:49.400 I think kind of fits the bill of the Mariners 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.240 really focus on the way kids carry themselves. 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:54.160 I really like the way he goes about his business. 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:55.960 I think this is a guy that's very mature for 0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.600 his age, and that's big reason why the Mariners have 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.160 so much success out of the draft too. I think 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:04.880 Lawrence checks a lot of their boxes and and again 0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:06.520 I think fits the bill of the type of high 0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:07.960 scores that they've had success with. 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:10.040 What other bats do you have in mind? 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:12.640 I think the other that I've heard a decent about 0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:15.080 a bit about, and I think you're gonna have a 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:16.800 lot of pressure on the bat, but manags are a 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.080 lot to like with the bat is Logan Hughes. 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:22.040 Crazy bat speed, can. 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:26.480 Absolutely pulverize velocity and and is good enough against breaking balls. 0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:28.560 I think the swing is you don't want to see 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:30.560 much change from there, Like he's he's already in a 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.040 really good spot. And I just think from what you 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:36.799 see from him production wise, I could see Hughes being 0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:38.279 a guy that they just get excited about. 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:38.520 The bat. 0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:40.160 You see like a dom Can zone type like it 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.920 kind of fits, kind of fits that mold. There's just 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:45.080 so much violence to the swing, but also at the 0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.440 same time pretty controlled and making a lot more contact 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:48.160 than you'd expect. 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.520 So who's your so who's your narrator's prospect? That's going 0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:53.719 to go off in the second half or. 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.359 Having a good two And I'm sorry I was not 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:56.479 ready for that off the dome. 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.319 We kind of we kind of sideswiped you with that question. 0:52:59.400 --> 0:52:59.960 But I don't know. 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.839 I've been a little bit slow on the last couple 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:05.520 of days fighting this cold, I swear, But Johnny Farmelo 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:07.480 has been on another planet, and that one should have 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:08.960 been on the top of my head right away, just 0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:13.120 because I think Farmelo I talk about personality and makeup 0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:16.440 that you buy into, but just just also has always 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:19.480 had all the talent. It's just been injured, frankly, like 0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:22.480 it's just been not being available and not really being 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:24.680 able to develop properly. You know, last thirty games, he's 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:26.400 got one thousand and forty two oh ps a one 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:29.160 to sixty five WRC plus he's coming along defensively in 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:31.800 center field. I think the fact that he's chipped away 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:33.799 at some of the swing and miss well and in 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:36.120 that span, by the way, only twenty two percent strikeout. Right, 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:39.040 He's patient, He's sitting the ball hard, don't I'm really 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:42.160 excited about what Farmelo's doing. And then Nick Becker, it's 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.480 going to be a challenge for him at low a like. 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:47.920 I think that's going to be a general challenge, but 0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:52.239 the quality of contact and speed combination is crazy, So 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:54.799 once he gets up from the complex, there might be 0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:56.359 some swing and miss, but I think there's a guy 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.120 that's going to turn enough heads with with what he 0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:02.600 can bring to the table defense, speed wise, power wise, 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:04.759 and with how much more power could be in the 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:07.920 tank for this nineteen year old. He's been really productive 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.160 at the complex, but I think if you can find 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:11.439 a way to cut down on the whiff a little 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:14.880 bit more, this guy could be a monster with the power, speed, power, 0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:15.960 speed defense combination. 0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:17.399 ARM. 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:19.680 This has been awesome as always. We will all be 0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:21.719 together for the draft, so that should be a ton 0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:23.319 of fun and we'll love to get to check with 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:26.600 you in person about whatever goes down this weekend in 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.480 Philadelphia and the Mariners pick at number twenty four. Always 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:31.560 appreciate you taking some time to come on with us 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:34.360 and hope to have you on again soon anytime. 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.000 Guys. You know I love it. I appreciate you guys 0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:39.600 having me on well. 0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:40.520 Shout out to ARM. 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.960 I'm definitely fired up for the draft on Sunday and 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:45.359 I cannot wait to see what a bunch of these 0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:48.840 prospects have in the second half, Kid Sloan Farmelo, a 0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:51.959 bunch of these guys, our guy Nicki Becker. Arm's great 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:54.680 and unlike TJ said at the start, the way he 0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:58.399 breaks things down is really really informative, and every time 0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:00.680 we talk with Arm, I always end up learning so much. 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:03.160 Let me just make one quick note before we start 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:05.880 to wrap up the pod. We didn't talk at the 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.080 start of the show about the scene around Seattle on 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:10.200 Monday for the World Cup, So let me just say, 0:55:10.840 --> 0:55:14.719 very very very cool environment. It was packed as we 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:16.040 all thought it was going to be. It was a 0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:19.080 very cool scene around the stadiums. All that being said, 0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:21.520 Tmusa is a bunch of frauds. 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:24.600 I mean this is typical, right. 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:25.799 Yeah. 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:29.359 You get to the point where you play countries where 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:33.719 they have better players at every position, and it's like yeah, 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:35.920 and then someone like me who doesn't actually watch soccer 0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:38.520 realizes like, okay, like all the players and the other 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:41.400 teams play in the Premier League or in at PSG 0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:44.520 or something, all these top teams and in the US 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:46.960 it's like not really, It's. 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:50.200 Like, oh, it's like Christian Polisic sometimes starts in the 0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:52.360 Premier League, it's like, oh, that's our best player. 0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:55.680 Then reality sets in and you're like, oh, oh yeah, 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:59.040 right right. See in other countries, well they pay youth 0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:01.239 players to play in their academies. In the US, you 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:03.160 have to pay for it, and that kind of it 0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:05.719 kind of answers the question on why soccer players aren't 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:06.080 as good. 0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:12.400 Yeah, Poliitic really does not have one single standout World 0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:13.319 Cup moment, does he. 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.680 Like Donovan's had, his, Dempsey had his Politic does not 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:17.080 have one. 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:19.239 I mean his standout moment from this World Cup was 0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:21.239 him getting kicked in the calf and missing a game 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:21.680 and a half. 0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:22.520 Mm hmm. 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:25.680 That was too bad. 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:27.440 It would have been such a cool scene if if 0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:29.600 they had won, like the scene afterwards if they had won. 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:31.920 But it was still really fun down there. As you 0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:35.919 talked about, every single viewing party anywhere at any bar 0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:38.359 or any any of the ones the city put on 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:42.600 were all just jam packed. Every single neighborhood had hundreds, 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:44.920 if not thousands of people crowded around the screens to 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:47.680 watch these games. Unfortunately, it was just kind of flat, 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:50.799 so flat from about like the thirtieth minute on. 0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:53.239 Yeah, I mean they scored it, tie it up in 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:56.240 thirty thirty seconds later, let up another. 0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:58.400 Goal and then yeah, it didn't score again. Now it 0:56:58.400 --> 0:56:59.960 was a bummer. It would have been nice if it continued. 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:02.759 But at least we did get the maximum amount of 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:05.200 like great games in Seattle as we possibly could of, 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:05.799 so that. 0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:06.399 Was pretty great. 0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.080 If there's one Seattle takeaway from this World Cup, we 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:10.919 already know it, but hopefully the rest of the world 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.239 knows it now. Seattle's a pretty awesome sports town. 0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.000 It really is. Fans show out. 0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:18.560 Now, they really did. For a bunch of people, including myself, 0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:21.200 we don't really watch soccer, but for an event like this, 0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:22.520 you have to show out. 0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:25.919 Yeah all right, That just about wraps up this edition 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:27.160 of the Marine Layer podcast. 0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:28.120 You guys know the drill. 0:57:28.200 --> 0:57:30.000 If you want to listen to the full form podcast, 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.200 you can do so wherever you get your audio pods. 0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:34.640 Make sure to download these episodes. If you're listening, go 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:36.840 rate and review. Please leave at five stars. If you're 0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:39.640 listening to these podcasts, and if you're watching on YouTube, 0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:41.680 just take a second make sure to go hit that 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.200 subscribe button. 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