WEBVTT - A Secret Worth Killing For

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<v Speaker 1>On the border of North Korea and China, is a lake.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nestled within the caldera at the center of a

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<v Speaker 1>dormant volcano, surrounded by sixteen jagged mountain peaks. The cliffs

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<v Speaker 1>are dark and steep, poked with moss and caps of

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<v Speaker 1>shimmering ice and snow. They tumble into deep blue water,

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<v Speaker 1>glassy and still. This is Heaven Lake on Mount pet two,

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<v Speaker 1>the highest point in North Korea. For Koreans both North

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<v Speaker 1>and South, this is a special place. The special place.

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<v Speaker 1>According to ancient folklore, this is where the Korean people originated.

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<v Speaker 1>More than four thousand years ago, the mythological god king

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<v Speaker 1>Tangun descended from heaven and was born right here. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>become the first ruler of Korea. Over centuries, empires rose

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<v Speaker 1>and fell, the Puyo Kingdom, the Koo Powers, the Chosun dynasty.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruling families came and went, but one thing bound them all.

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<v Speaker 1>They never stopped revering the mountain as their spiritual home.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Tangun before them, these families justified their power by

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<v Speaker 1>declaring themselves sons of Heaven, as descendants of Mount Pictwo

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<v Speaker 1>and the story of Tangun. It's not the only legend

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<v Speaker 1>associated with this sacred place. In fact, there are two

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<v Speaker 1>other stories that every student in North Korea by age

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<v Speaker 1>five must know by heart. The first is the story

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<v Speaker 1>of a young Kim Io Song, a scrappy guerrilla fighter

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<v Speaker 1>who risked life and limb to fend off Japanese invaders,

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<v Speaker 1>waging fearless battle on the slopes of the Great Mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>The second is the story of his son, Kim jong Il,

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<v Speaker 1>who they say was born by heaven lake in a

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<v Speaker 1>small wooden cabin. Upon his birth, a single bright star

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<v Speaker 1>appeared in the twilight, a double rainbow magically streaming across

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<v Speaker 1>the mountaintops, like Tangun and the pedigree of emperors before them.

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<v Speaker 1>Both Kim's would use these stories to claim a mandate

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<v Speaker 1>from heaven, a spiritual calling to become the father figures

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<v Speaker 1>of the Korean people, because coursing through their veins was

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff of legends, the fabled blood of Mount Peck two.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say that Mount Peck two is

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<v Speaker 1>to North Korea what the bald Eagle is to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. It's a national symbol, emblazoned on the country's emblem,

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<v Speaker 1>its name plastered on everything from power plants to torpedoes.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't even do it justice. It's magical, mythical today,

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains lore, the notion that this place spawned a

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<v Speaker 1>pure blood line of leaders is the glue that holds

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<v Speaker 1>the Kim personality called together, and it's the reason Kim

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<v Speaker 1>jong Nam's assassination was so shocking, so galling, because according

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<v Speaker 1>to centuries of myth and tradition, Kim jong Nam's blood

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<v Speaker 1>was more than us royal, it was divine, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was first in line to the throne. I'm even lee

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode inside the myths and machinations that revealed

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<v Speaker 1>the Kim family to be not divine rulers but ruthless infighters,

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<v Speaker 1>a family that competes not just for glory and power,

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<v Speaker 1>but also for survival. It's pretty obscene the way Kim

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<v Speaker 1>jong Nam was raised. They were like brother and sister.

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<v Speaker 1>They were each other's only friends. I can just paraphrase

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<v Speaker 1>what he said, which was, my father replaced me with

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<v Speaker 1>his new family, and that was pretty devastating. This is

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<v Speaker 1>big brother. The assassination of Kim jong Nam may have

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<v Speaker 1>happened in but the circumstances that led to his death

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<v Speaker 1>decades in the making, and it all started, as so

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<v Speaker 1>many epic tales do, with a love story and the

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<v Speaker 1>collision of two warring families vying for the same affection.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the nineteen sixties and Kim Jong il was

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<v Speaker 1>just a twentysomething making propaganda for his father's political party,

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<v Speaker 1>the Workers Party of Korea. And Kim Jong Il was

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<v Speaker 1>a master of his trade. The propaganda was just brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Bradley Martin, a newspaper journalist. I've worked for a Newsweek,

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<v Speaker 1>the Roll Street Journal, Bloomberg News, and the author of

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<v Speaker 1>the book Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader.

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<v Speaker 1>He's reported on the Kim dynasty for decades. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest of the propagandists Roz Kim Jong Hill. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a super producer and he really knew what he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing with propaganda. As a propagandist, Kim Jong Il

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<v Speaker 1>was the head of North Korea's motion picture division, making

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<v Speaker 1>films that enhanced the regime's messaging and bolstered his father's personality.

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<v Speaker 1>Cult To say Kim Jong Il enjoyed making movies is

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<v Speaker 1>an understatement. The man was obsessed with cinema, action, romance, horror,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it, Kim Jong Il devoured it. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a devoted fan of everything from James Bond to vend It.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Beckham, he reportedly owned more than thirty thousand movie

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<v Speaker 1>titles in his personal theater, including a substantial stash of

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<v Speaker 1>very illegal pornography. Chang I loved films so much that

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies he abducted one of South Korea's

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<v Speaker 1>most famous directors. A team of henchmen secretly crossed the border,

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<v Speaker 1>tailed the director, threw a bag over his head, and

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<v Speaker 1>transported him to a work camp in the North, where

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<v Speaker 1>he lived on a diet of rice and grass. Kim

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<v Speaker 1>forced the movie maker to direct films for the regime,

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<v Speaker 1>including a comically cheesy rip off of Godzilla called Pugati,

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<v Speaker 1>and this love of cinema would shape Kim Jong Il's

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<v Speaker 1>romantic life too. In the late nineteen sixties, Chang I

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<v Speaker 1>was walking through a film studio when he bumped into

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<v Speaker 1>an actress named tong headium The princeling was immediately star struck.

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<v Speaker 1>Tongam was North Korea's biggest movie star, A thirty one

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<v Speaker 1>year old bombshell. She was born in the South but

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<v Speaker 1>had moved north as a child. As an actress, she

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<v Speaker 1>had multiple lead roles to her credit and even attended

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<v Speaker 1>international film festivals. For a movie buff like Kim jong il,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like meeting Marilyn Monroe in her prime. It

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<v Speaker 1>was love at first sight. Tongden was married with children,

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<v Speaker 1>but for a member of the pic two bloodline, that

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<v Speaker 1>was no obstacle. Jan Ille forced the actress to divorce

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<v Speaker 1>and sent her ex husband out of country to quote work.

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<v Speaker 1>The two never married, but they did start a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>and in the couple had a child, a baby boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong il could hardly contain the news. In his book,

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<v Speaker 1>Bradley Martin writes that Kim was so excited by the

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<v Speaker 1>arrival of his son that he quote honked his car

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<v Speaker 1>horn to awaken everyone in the hospital. But there was

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<v Speaker 1>one person he refused to tell, his father, the supreme leader,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim ils hung. North Korea was and remains a very

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<v Speaker 1>socially conservative society. Kim il sung preached conventional family values.

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<v Speaker 1>Extramarital affairs were illegal, divorce was frowned upon, and having

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<v Speaker 1>a child out of wedlock it was inadmissible. And Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Jong il, he had flirted with all three. He knew

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<v Speaker 1>his father would never accept his decision to pair off

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<v Speaker 1>with the actress, especially a divorcee born in South Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>But Kim jong il was a virtuoso of propaganda. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a talent for hiding inconvenient information, so he successfully

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<v Speaker 1>kept the relationship and the existence of his own son

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<v Speaker 1>from his father for four years rs. But even the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest propagandists can stumble. The secret eventually leaked, and when

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<v Speaker 1>kimio sung learned about his son's love child, he was furious,

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<v Speaker 1>that is until he met the little boy. According to

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<v Speaker 1>one telling, when kimio sung saw his grandson for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, his eyes flooded with tears. This, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>was his first male grandchild. Pet two blood was coursing

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<v Speaker 1>through his veins, and when he picked up the child

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<v Speaker 1>and held him in his arms, he felt like he

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<v Speaker 1>was holding the future of the nation. So kimio Song

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<v Speaker 1>gave his grandson a name Kim chong nam in Korean,

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<v Speaker 1>it means loyal man. Now with his father's blessing, Kim

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<v Speaker 1>jong il felt free to shower his newborn son with affection,

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<v Speaker 1>pampering and spoiling him. Kim jong il was a really

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<v Speaker 1>doting father That again is Anna Fifield, journalists and author

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<v Speaker 1>of The Great Successor. He was out there during the

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<v Speaker 1>day during his day job being a tyrant, but he

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<v Speaker 1>loved coming home to the palatial compound there and playing

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<v Speaker 1>with Kim jong Nam. The two seemed inseparable. Father and

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<v Speaker 1>son shared the same bed, a common practice in traditional

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<v Speaker 1>Korean society. For eight years. Each night, Kim jong Il

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<v Speaker 1>gently rocked and cradled his son to sleep. When Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Jong Nam was a toddler, his father began spoiling him

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<v Speaker 1>with every gift a child could dream of, and then some.

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<v Speaker 1>He had this massive playhouse filled with toys. He had

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<v Speaker 1>you know, lego brought in from Denmark and like top

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<v Speaker 1>of the range toys brought from everywhere. He had mangoes imported.

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<v Speaker 1>He had clothes brought from the UK. You know, anything

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<v Speaker 1>he could ever desire. And you know, well beyond his

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<v Speaker 1>wild imagination he had. He had a little a little

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<v Speaker 1>golf buggy that he could zoom around on his own

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<v Speaker 1>zoo with a real bear in it. Um He lived

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<v Speaker 1>this ridiculous, pampered life. Kim Jong Nam and his mother's

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<v Speaker 1>extended family lived in their own wild off compound in Pyongyang,

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<v Speaker 1>an opulent palace called Residents Number fifteen. They had a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred servants, five hundred bodyguards, and eight cooks. Anything the

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<v Speaker 1>child demanded was his. His father made sure of it.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Bradley Martin, Kim jong il assigned a special

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<v Speaker 1>unit of bureaucrats to travel the globe to purchase gifts

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<v Speaker 1>for his son's birthdays, buying him everything from video games

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<v Speaker 1>to diamond wrist watches. You could have anything. You want.

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<v Speaker 1>A revolver, here's a revolver. You know, you want an automobile.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a here's a little automobile you can drive around.

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<v Speaker 1>You want bars of gold, you have some bars of gold.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty obscene the way Kim jong Nam was raised.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was one thing that young Kim jong Nam

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have, and that was friends. Because although Kim jong

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<v Speaker 1>Nam might not have been a dirty secret around his

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather anymore, his existence was still shielded from the public,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as from most government officials. The princeling was

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<v Speaker 1>confined to his palace, forbidden to trek beyond its walls

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<v Speaker 1>to see how regular people lived. His playmates consisted of

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<v Speaker 1>two adults, a painter and film technician who had been

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<v Speaker 1>appointed to be his official friends. For years, Kim Jong

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<v Speaker 1>Nam wouldn't know a single soul his own age. He

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<v Speaker 1>would have to make do with his father's love, plus

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<v Speaker 1>the occasional bar of gold. Family life was strained elsewhere too.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of the deep love Kim Jong Ill felt for

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<v Speaker 1>his son, it didn't translate to the boy's mother. The

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<v Speaker 1>honeymoon phase was long over and their relationship had all

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<v Speaker 1>but collapsed. The former actress was deeply unhappy. She missed

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<v Speaker 1>the stage, the adrenaline fueled glow of a film set.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted to play movie roles, not the role of

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<v Speaker 1>a subservient housekeeper, and despite living in the lap of luxury,

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<v Speaker 1>she was tired of being treated as a dirty secret.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is the founder of North Curre. You watch

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Madden, whose audio will remind you was distorted, hence

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<v Speaker 1>the voiceover. Even though you live in these beautiful villas

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<v Speaker 1>with swimming pools and the best food and access to television,

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<v Speaker 1>you're essentially under a glorified house arrest, and Kim Jong

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<v Speaker 1>Ill didn't have patience for any of the woman's feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>His love for her faded years earlier. Kim had once

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<v Speaker 1>called her his yell ball or wife, but now he

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<v Speaker 1>had downgraded her title to quote the mother of my son.

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<v Speaker 1>The relationship grew hostile, and as Kim jong Il became

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<v Speaker 1>more and more distant, her mental health began to spiral in.

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<v Speaker 1>Living in the house of Kim Jong Ill was a

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<v Speaker 1>very stressful experience. Kim Jong Ill was a fairly moody guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was the most powerful man in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>so living around him was basically an exercise and walking

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<v Speaker 1>on eggshells. And then Kim jong Il decided he had

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<v Speaker 1>had enough. It was time to kick the woman out

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<v Speaker 1>of his life for good. But their son, he decided,

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<v Speaker 1>would stay with him. Hongheading panicked at the news, she

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<v Speaker 1>scooped Kim jong Nam into her arms and sprinted for

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<v Speaker 1>the palace doors, Desperate to make an escape, She didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get far before the guards stopped her. Shortly after, she

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<v Speaker 1>was sent to Moscow for quote medical treatment. Aside from

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<v Speaker 1>a few failed attempts to return home, she'd spend the

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<v Speaker 1>remainder of her life in Russia mired and depression. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>at Residence Number fifteen, a young Kim Jong Nam went

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<v Speaker 1>back to being treated as a state's secret. He was

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<v Speaker 1>friendless and now motherless. And soon he would begin to

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<v Speaker 1>feel fatherless too. We want to step back for a

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<v Speaker 1>moment and take a detour. Too many of us, North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea can seem well, a little bit crazy. It's this small,

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<v Speaker 1>bellicost country with nuclear weapons, led by a man with

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<v Speaker 1>funny hair and comically bad propaganda. The leaders seem psychotic.

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<v Speaker 1>They run googlogs. But at the same time, we'll hack

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<v Speaker 1>a company sir verse because of a Seth Rogan film.

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<v Speaker 1>The state media announces menacing missile launches while almost in

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<v Speaker 1>the same breath claiming that they just discovered a unicorn

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<v Speaker 1>layer in a cave. It can be hard to take

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea seriously, but over the course of reporting this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>almost every expert we spoke to kept making the same

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<v Speaker 1>point that North Korea is, in fact not irrational and

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely not unpredictable. A lot of the mainstream media's

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<v Speaker 1>obsession with North Korea now borders on caricatures and the eccentric,

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<v Speaker 1>But really, North Korea is a deeply serious and rational country.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at it as a sovereign country with

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<v Speaker 1>its own strategic interest, a lot of the moves that

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<v Speaker 1>it makes make a lot of sense. North Korea is

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<v Speaker 1>not only not crazy, but very careful methodical in the

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<v Speaker 1>way North Korea just tries to paint its adversaries into

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<v Speaker 1>a corner. The point is to understand the death of

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Nam, you need to understand what drives North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea and most of us, well, we don't understand, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible to make sense of it. Take for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>the Kim personality cult. It's not the only country with

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<v Speaker 1>a personality cult, but it is one of the most effective.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason has a lot to do with Confucianism.

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<v Speaker 1>Confucianism is deeply embedded in North Korean society. That's Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Sung Unually, a professor at Tufts University. He's an expert

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<v Speaker 1>on North Korea US relations as well as history. Confucianism

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<v Speaker 1>has been the most prominent ideology in Korean history since

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<v Speaker 1>about the year fourteen. Confucius never stepped foot on the

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<v Speaker 1>Korean peninsula, but his life's work saturates the region's value

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<v Speaker 1>system both North and South. Take North Korea's propaganda, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the films cooked up by Kim Jong il in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties painted the Supreme leader as universally benevolent, even omniscient.

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<v Speaker 1>The leader's talents no no bounds. Kim Jong Ill, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly wrote six operas and could hit eighteen holes in one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous, but the strategy makes some sense in the

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<v Speaker 1>context of Confucianism. Confucius experienced deep instability during his lifetime,

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<v Speaker 1>and he dreamed of bringing peace to the bloodshed around him.

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<v Speaker 1>He preached strategies that he believed could coax order from

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<v Speaker 1>the chaos. In solution was virtue. In Confucian society, a

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<v Speaker 1>leader rules not by force, but by virtue, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Kim family knows this, so they push a narrative, one

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<v Speaker 1>that constantly reminds the populace over and over and over,

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<v Speaker 1>how dear, how great, how benevolent, how kind, and how

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<v Speaker 1>caring their leader is. This desire to appear virtuous, mixed

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<v Speaker 1>with the peck two myth of divine rule, creates a

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<v Speaker 1>noxious ideology that basically treats the Kims as God's and

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<v Speaker 1>if they're to be worshiped like God's, then they must

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<v Speaker 1>have the virtues and the abilities of God's. As a result,

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea has outstalinized Stalin. North Korea's cult of personality

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<v Speaker 1>puts the cult of Chairman mob in China or Stalin

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<v Speaker 1>in the former Soviet Union to shame. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong il had to keep his private life a secret.

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<v Speaker 1>If news ever spread to the common people about his

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<v Speaker 1>illicit relationship with an actress or his love child, it

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<v Speaker 1>could soil this carefully calibrated image. It could be especially

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous if this knowledge ever fell into the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>a competitor or some military figure who wanted to stage

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<v Speaker 1>a coup. This information could be used against him to

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<v Speaker 1>puncture that godlike persona. Because the other element of Confucianism

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<v Speaker 1>revolves around hierarchy, what are the common characteristics of Confucianism?

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<v Speaker 1>Respectful communal values, respect for society, respectful authority, respect for

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<v Speaker 1>the nation, putting the family about the individual, the society

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<v Speaker 1>above the family, and the state above all. Confucius believed

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<v Speaker 1>in the society built upon strong hierarchies with strict obedience

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<v Speaker 1>to authorities. This, he said, could foster stability, and the

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<v Speaker 1>system has a proven track record. According to Dr Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>Korea's ancient dynasties flourished because of this dogmatic loyalty to

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<v Speaker 1>superiors and the willingness to put society before the self.

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<v Speaker 1>Confucian societies are more cohesive to when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>national calamities, war, the pandemic. People are more prone to

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<v Speaker 1>sacrificing their individual privacy and their individual rights for the

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<v Speaker 1>sake of the greater good of society. This respect for

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<v Speaker 1>hierarchy is the reason young people both North and South

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<v Speaker 1>are expected to show constant obedience to their parents, to teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>and the government offici shoals. There are three bonds so

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<v Speaker 1>cold in Confucianism. First the bureaucrat, the official submits himself

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<v Speaker 1>to the king, and then the gross gender inequality women,

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<v Speaker 1>the wife submits herself to the husband and later even

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<v Speaker 1>to her own son. And then filial piety the son

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<v Speaker 1>submits to the father. But it's filial piety, submission and

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:32.520
<v Speaker 1>loyalty to your father's reputation that really drives the culture.

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<v Speaker 1>And in North Korea everybody has the same symbolic father.

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<v Speaker 1>The man with peck two blood Kim ils Hung. This

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<v Speaker 1>is no mistake, this is a brilliant strategy. The Kims

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<v Speaker 1>have used propaganda to hijack traditional Confucian values and seize

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<v Speaker 1>upon the national myth of the Peck two bloodline to

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<v Speaker 1>serve their own interests and to feed their own power.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a way for Kim Ala Song to essentially

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee that he was going to be front and center

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 1>of the North Korean system. That you may remember is Dr.

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Young, a historian at Virginia Commonwealth University. There was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a slogan in uh North Koreator in the Cold

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<v Speaker 1>War era that literally said koreas Kimbelsung. Kimmel Sung is Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>The Kim family personality called It is ubiquitous within North Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>from slogans and posters to school children learning poems about

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<v Speaker 1>the greatness of Kimmel Song. I really can't escape it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is central to the North Korean way of life,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is nothing to rival or challenge that messaging.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the government is the only source of information.

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<v Speaker 1>This persistent burrage of propaganda has a way of bending

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<v Speaker 1>and breaking people's minds into submission. So the people of

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea believe these stories, whether through real devotion or

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>fear of what might happen if they don't. It helps

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<v Speaker 1>breed political loyalty and simultaneously quashes any grassroots opposition. And

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<v Speaker 1>total fidelity to the image of one man, one family

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<v Speaker 1>has the power to turn normal people into monsters. Look

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<v Speaker 1>no further than Kim Chang Ill. In the nine seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>when Kim jong Nam was just a little boy, his

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<v Speaker 1>father was preparing to become the nation's next ruler. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the chosen son of heaven, a pick to air,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had an image to maintain, a godlike image,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's probably why he sent the mother of his

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<v Speaker 1>firstborn son to Moscow. If she stayed in North Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>it was guaranteed that gossip about their relationship would reach

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<v Speaker 1>the public. So he exiled her, banishing her to a

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<v Speaker 1>foreign mental facility, and in the process, his cruelty affected

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>his son. He deprived Kim jong Nam of a mother.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Kim jong Il would go to extreme lengths

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure that the boy and his mother would remain

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<v Speaker 1>a state secret. We know this because at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>a group of young North Korean students were living in Moscow.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, a student somehow learned about Kim jong il's

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:48.680
<v Speaker 1>mentally distressed mistress. Words spread that she lived nearby, somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the Soviet Union. The gossip spread all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back to Kiang Yang, and Kim jong Il was horrified.

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<v Speaker 1>In an effort to shut down the rumor mill, he

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<v Speaker 1>sent a security team to Russia. Kim's communist goons arrived

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>in Moscow, rounded up all the university students and interrogated them.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody who acknowledged knowing anything about the ex mistress or

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<v Speaker 1>her whereabouts or her child was immediately executed. Turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim jong Nam was a secret worth killing for. For

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<v Speaker 1>most of his childhood, Kim jong Nam was functionally locked

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<v Speaker 1>in a palace, cut off from the outside world. The

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<v Speaker 1>boy passed his time and activity by reading books, drawing pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>and naturally, watching movies, and his father continued to spoil him.

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<v Speaker 1>One time, when the little prince had a toothache, Kim

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Jong ille convinced him to go to the dentist by

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<v Speaker 1>gifting him a Cadillac. When he turned eight, his father

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<v Speaker 1>threw him a birthday party, where instead of toys, he

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<v Speaker 1>was given a military uniform and the rank of martial.

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<v Speaker 1>In a nod to his future rank, palace workers began

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<v Speaker 1>referring to the boy as little Comrade General. Later that night,

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>a fireworks display spelled out the words Happy birthday, Comrade

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>General in the sky. Nothing was too much to ask for.

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<v Speaker 1>On one occasion, when the young child requested that his

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<v Speaker 1>father hire his favorite South Korean comedian. The regimes seriously

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>considered abducting the funny man, but this is the hassle. Instead,

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Il sand scouts to find a look alike.

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>They returned with a farmer who they trained to do

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 1>stand up comedy. But Kim Jong Ill knew that his

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>firstborn son was still lonely. A palace of endless toys

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 1>and cars and jewels was not the same as having

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<v Speaker 1>a mother or a friend his own age. So when

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Nam was eight, his father brought a little

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<v Speaker 1>girl home to be his friend. It was his thirteen

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>year old cousin, Namok. The two hit it off immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong Nam and Nam were very very close growing.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like brother and sister that were each other's

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<v Speaker 1>only friends. Together, the duo would binge movies and shoot

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<v Speaker 1>pelicans and potter between the palace walls on golf carts.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they convinced the palace show first to drive them

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>around the streets of Kong Young. They were never allowed

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<v Speaker 1>out of the vehicle. The girl would become his playmate

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<v Speaker 1>and his closest confidant. He basically kind of gave up

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>her whole life to be his friend, to be his sidekicks.

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>His father also invited Kim jong Nam's grandmother and aunt

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>to move into residence Umber fifteen to provide a needed

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>maternal presence. The women were like governesses. They schooled him

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and everything from Russian to mathematics. By the time he

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<v Speaker 1>was nine, Kim jong Nam was growing into an artistic

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and curious young child, A sensitive yet optimistic boy who

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<v Speaker 1>loved books and jokes and the latest technology, and his

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>feelings of filial piety ran deep. The boy worshiped his father,

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 1>as his playmate Enamok later recounted, he was totally submissive

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>to his father, and I never criticized what Kim jongile

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>decided for him. Kim Jongial poured his very deep love

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>into his on in childhood, so I don't think the

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>child felt lonely. His mother's absence was covered up by

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>his father's presence, but it wouldn't last. As Kim jong

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Nam grew older, his father's love grew colder. He stopped

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>talking the young boy into bed. He no longer dispatched

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>teams to buy him every imaginable gift. He started to

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<v Speaker 1>join the family in residence number fifteen for supper less

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>and less often only appearing three times a week. The

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>reason Kim jong Il had what we're called secret parties

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>or secret banquets, and those became places where many decisions

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>were made, whether it was about policy or personnel, and

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody was required to sing and everybody was required to

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 1>have a lot to drink. One night, Kim jong Il

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<v Speaker 1>invited a local art troop to one of these parties,

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the sude Ar Troupe, which is a prestigious performing arts

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>group in North Korea, and he was immediately smitten by

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the group's star dancer. She's on the cover of record

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.959
<v Speaker 1>albums that they would put out and traveled around Japan.

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>So Kim jong Il invited the dance troupe back again

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and again just to watch the same woman perform. After

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>each performance, he invited her to sit beside him. Sometimes

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>he'd even go to their rehearsals to watch her practice.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name was Cool Yong He, and sometime around she

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<v Speaker 1>began missing dance practice. Rumors swirled among the dancers that

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>she was pregnant, and soon she was living in the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Palace with Kim Jong Il is the third or

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<v Speaker 1>fourth wife of Kim Jong Ill and my wife. These

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>people were never officially married. These are more like royal consorts.

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 1>These are women that Kim jong Ill established households with.

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Like Kim jong Il's previous relationship, this one was also

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 1>a little scandalous in North Korea's cast system. This new

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 1>woman was the lowest of the low. Her father had

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>worked for the Japanese Army, North Korea's sworn enemy. But

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.320
<v Speaker 1>none of this matter to Kim jong Ill. He loved

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>her and she was carrying a baby, a boy, what

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>would be his second son. So he gave her her

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>own home, and Changill started an entirely new household, one

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that lived completely separated from Kim jong Nam's wing of

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the family. And with that, an unspoken feud flared between

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:59.439
<v Speaker 1>the two branches of Kim's one that would go on

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 1>for decades to come. But for the young Kim jong Nam,

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 1>it was his father's divided attention that took the biggest toll.

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 1>He saw less of Kim Jong Il and grew closer

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:18.760
<v Speaker 1>with his aunts and uncles. He started feeling increasingly alienated

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:23.760
<v Speaker 1>from his father, so Kim jong Nam's minders made a decision.

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>It was time to give the boy a new environment.

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't live as a secret anymore. He had to

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 1>see the world. The family of Kim jong The family

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:40.399
<v Speaker 1>of Kim jong Nam convinced Kim Jong Ill that Kim

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>jong Nam needs to get a proper education in a

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>school setting. He can't do it in North Korea because

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 1>you have to keep the leader standard secret. So they

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>convinced Kim Jong Ill that Kim jong Nam should study abroad,

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:57.479
<v Speaker 1>and the first stop is Switzerland. This decision, however, would

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<v Speaker 1>do nothing to improve Kim jong Nam's relation ship with

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<v Speaker 1>his father. In fact, Cheng Nam would feel even more

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten neglected. He was motherless, he had one childhood friend

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<v Speaker 1>to his name, and now he was living thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>miles away from home. And for the first time in

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<v Speaker 1>his life, the firstborn heir to the Peck two dynasty

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<v Speaker 1>began to feel something, something he had been taught to

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<v Speaker 1>suppress all his life, resentment for his father. I can

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<v Speaker 1>just paraphrase what he said, which was that when I

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<v Speaker 1>left for switzerlandon my father replaced me with his new family,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was pretty devastating. Little did Kim jong Nam, no,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's exactly what his father's new mistress wanted because

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<v Speaker 1>in she gave birth to another boy. His name was

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Jong un. And even though these boys were still

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<v Speaker 1>too young to even comprehend running a country, Koyong he

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<v Speaker 1>knew that Kim Jong nam stood in the way of

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<v Speaker 1>her children's path to the throne, and she would do

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<v Speaker 1>anything to clear it. Next time on Big Brother, we

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<v Speaker 1>dive deeper into how manipulative mothers drove two young boys

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<v Speaker 1>to scramble for their father's affection, leading to a ruthless

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<v Speaker 1>race to become North Korea's successor. Big Brother is a

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<v Speaker 1>production of School of Humans and I Heart Radio and

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<v Speaker 1>hosted by me Eden Lee Lucas. Riley is our writer,

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<v Speaker 1>co director and associate producer. Amelia Brock is our senior producer,

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<v Speaker 1>co director and editor. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, Brandon Barr,

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<v Speaker 1>Elci Crowley, and Jason English. Our fact checker is Aaron Blakemore.

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