1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: On the border of North Korea and China, is a lake. 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: It's nestled within the caldera at the center of a 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: dormant volcano, surrounded by sixteen jagged mountain peaks. The cliffs 4 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: are dark and steep, poked with moss and caps of 5 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: shimmering ice and snow. They tumble into deep blue water, 6 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: glassy and still. This is Heaven Lake on Mount pet two, 7 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: the highest point in North Korea. For Koreans both North 8 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: and South, this is a special place. The special place. 9 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: According to ancient folklore, this is where the Korean people originated. 10 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: More than four thousand years ago, the mythological god king 11 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Tangun descended from heaven and was born right here. He'd 12 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: become the first ruler of Korea. Over centuries, empires rose 13 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: and fell, the Puyo Kingdom, the Koo Powers, the Chosun dynasty. 14 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: Ruling families came and went, but one thing bound them all. 15 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: They never stopped revering the mountain as their spiritual home. 16 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: Like Tangun before them, these families justified their power by 17 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: declaring themselves sons of Heaven, as descendants of Mount Pictwo 18 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: and the story of Tangun. It's not the only legend 19 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: associated with this sacred place. In fact, there are two 20 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: other stories that every student in North Korea by age 21 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: five must know by heart. The first is the story 22 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: of a young Kim Io Song, a scrappy guerrilla fighter 23 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: who risked life and limb to fend off Japanese invaders, 24 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: waging fearless battle on the slopes of the Great Mountain. 25 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: The second is the story of his son, Kim jong Il, 26 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: who they say was born by heaven lake in a 27 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: small wooden cabin. Upon his birth, a single bright star 28 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: appeared in the twilight, a double rainbow magically streaming across 29 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: the mountaintops, like Tangun and the pedigree of emperors before them. 30 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: Both Kim's would use these stories to claim a mandate 31 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: from heaven, a spiritual calling to become the father figures 32 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: of the Korean people, because coursing through their veins was 33 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: the stuff of legends, the fabled blood of Mount Peck two. 34 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: I guess you could say that Mount Peck two is 35 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: to North Korea what the bald Eagle is to the 36 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: United States. It's a national symbol, emblazoned on the country's emblem, 37 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: its name plastered on everything from power plants to torpedoes. 38 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: But that doesn't even do it justice. It's magical, mythical today, 39 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: the mountains lore, the notion that this place spawned a 40 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: pure blood line of leaders is the glue that holds 41 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: the Kim personality called together, and it's the reason Kim 42 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: jong Nam's assassination was so shocking, so galling, because according 43 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: to centuries of myth and tradition, Kim jong Nam's blood 44 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: was more than us royal, it was divine, and he 45 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: was first in line to the throne. I'm even lee 46 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: in this episode inside the myths and machinations that revealed 47 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: the Kim family to be not divine rulers but ruthless infighters, 48 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: a family that competes not just for glory and power, 49 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: but also for survival. It's pretty obscene the way Kim 50 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 1: jong Nam was raised. They were like brother and sister. 51 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: They were each other's only friends. I can just paraphrase 52 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: what he said, which was, my father replaced me with 53 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: his new family, and that was pretty devastating. This is 54 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: big brother. The assassination of Kim jong Nam may have 55 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: happened in but the circumstances that led to his death 56 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: decades in the making, and it all started, as so 57 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: many epic tales do, with a love story and the 58 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: collision of two warring families vying for the same affection. 59 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: It was the nineteen sixties and Kim Jong il was 60 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: just a twentysomething making propaganda for his father's political party, 61 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: the Workers Party of Korea. And Kim Jong Il was 62 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: a master of his trade. The propaganda was just brilliant. 63 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: That's Bradley Martin, a newspaper journalist. I've worked for a Newsweek, 64 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: the Roll Street Journal, Bloomberg News, and the author of 65 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: the book Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader. 66 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: He's reported on the Kim dynasty for decades. One of 67 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: the greatest of the propagandists Roz Kim Jong Hill. He 68 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: was a super producer and he really knew what he 69 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: was doing with propaganda. As a propagandist, Kim Jong Il 70 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: was the head of North Korea's motion picture division, making 71 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: films that enhanced the regime's messaging and bolstered his father's personality. 72 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: Cult To say Kim Jong Il enjoyed making movies is 73 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: an understatement. The man was obsessed with cinema, action, romance, horror, 74 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: you name it, Kim Jong Il devoured it. He was 75 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: a devoted fan of everything from James Bond to vend It. 76 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: Like Beckham, he reportedly owned more than thirty thousand movie 77 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: titles in his personal theater, including a substantial stash of 78 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: very illegal pornography. Chang I loved films so much that 79 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies he abducted one of South Korea's 80 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: most famous directors. A team of henchmen secretly crossed the border, 81 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: tailed the director, threw a bag over his head, and 82 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: transported him to a work camp in the North, where 83 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: he lived on a diet of rice and grass. Kim 84 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: forced the movie maker to direct films for the regime, 85 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: including a comically cheesy rip off of Godzilla called Pugati, 86 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: and this love of cinema would shape Kim Jong Il's 87 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: romantic life too. In the late nineteen sixties, Chang I 88 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: was walking through a film studio when he bumped into 89 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: an actress named tong headium The princeling was immediately star struck. 90 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: Tongam was North Korea's biggest movie star, A thirty one 91 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: year old bombshell. She was born in the South but 92 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: had moved north as a child. As an actress, she 93 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: had multiple lead roles to her credit and even attended 94 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: international film festivals. For a movie buff like Kim jong il, 95 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: it was like meeting Marilyn Monroe in her prime. It 96 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: was love at first sight. Tongden was married with children, 97 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: but for a member of the pic two bloodline, that 98 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: was no obstacle. Jan Ille forced the actress to divorce 99 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: and sent her ex husband out of country to quote work. 100 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: The two never married, but they did start a relationship 101 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: and in the couple had a child, a baby boy. 102 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: Kim Jong il could hardly contain the news. In his book, 103 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: Bradley Martin writes that Kim was so excited by the 104 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: arrival of his son that he quote honked his car 105 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: horn to awaken everyone in the hospital. But there was 106 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: one person he refused to tell, his father, the supreme leader, 107 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: Kim ils hung. North Korea was and remains a very 108 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: socially conservative society. Kim il sung preached conventional family values. 109 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: Extramarital affairs were illegal, divorce was frowned upon, and having 110 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: a child out of wedlock it was inadmissible. And Kim 111 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: Jong il, he had flirted with all three. He knew 112 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: his father would never accept his decision to pair off 113 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: with the actress, especially a divorcee born in South Korea. 114 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: But Kim jong il was a virtuoso of propaganda. He 115 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: had a talent for hiding inconvenient information, so he successfully 116 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: kept the relationship and the existence of his own son 117 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: from his father for four years rs. But even the 118 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: greatest propagandists can stumble. The secret eventually leaked, and when 119 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: kimio sung learned about his son's love child, he was furious, 120 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: that is until he met the little boy. According to 121 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: one telling, when kimio sung saw his grandson for the 122 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: first time, his eyes flooded with tears. This, after all, 123 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: was his first male grandchild. Pet two blood was coursing 124 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: through his veins, and when he picked up the child 125 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: and held him in his arms, he felt like he 126 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: was holding the future of the nation. So kimio Song 127 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: gave his grandson a name Kim chong nam in Korean, 128 00:10:53,679 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: it means loyal man. Now with his father's blessing, Kim 129 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: jong il felt free to shower his newborn son with affection, 130 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: pampering and spoiling him. Kim jong il was a really 131 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: doting father That again is Anna Fifield, journalists and author 132 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: of The Great Successor. He was out there during the 133 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: day during his day job being a tyrant, but he 134 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: loved coming home to the palatial compound there and playing 135 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: with Kim jong Nam. The two seemed inseparable. Father and 136 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: son shared the same bed, a common practice in traditional 137 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: Korean society. For eight years. Each night, Kim jong Il 138 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: gently rocked and cradled his son to sleep. When Kim 139 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: Jong Nam was a toddler, his father began spoiling him 140 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: with every gift a child could dream of, and then some. 141 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: He had this massive playhouse filled with toys. He had 142 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, lego brought in from Denmark and like top 143 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: of the range toys brought from everywhere. He had mangoes imported. 144 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: He had clothes brought from the UK. You know, anything 145 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: he could ever desire. And you know, well beyond his 146 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: wild imagination he had. He had a little a little 147 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: golf buggy that he could zoom around on his own 148 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: zoo with a real bear in it. Um He lived 149 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: this ridiculous, pampered life. Kim Jong Nam and his mother's 150 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: extended family lived in their own wild off compound in Pyongyang, 151 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: an opulent palace called Residents Number fifteen. They had a 152 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: hundred servants, five hundred bodyguards, and eight cooks. Anything the 153 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: child demanded was his. His father made sure of it. 154 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: According to Bradley Martin, Kim jong il assigned a special 155 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: unit of bureaucrats to travel the globe to purchase gifts 156 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: for his son's birthdays, buying him everything from video games 157 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: to diamond wrist watches. You could have anything. You want. 158 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: A revolver, here's a revolver. You know, you want an automobile. 159 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: Here's a here's a little automobile you can drive around. 160 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: You want bars of gold, you have some bars of gold. 161 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: It's pretty obscene the way Kim jong Nam was raised. 162 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: But there was one thing that young Kim jong Nam 163 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: couldn't have, and that was friends. Because although Kim jong 164 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: Nam might not have been a dirty secret around his 165 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: grandfather anymore, his existence was still shielded from the public, 166 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: as well as from most government officials. The princeling was 167 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: confined to his palace, forbidden to trek beyond its walls 168 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: to see how regular people lived. His playmates consisted of 169 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: two adults, a painter and film technician who had been 170 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: appointed to be his official friends. For years, Kim Jong 171 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: Nam wouldn't know a single soul his own age. He 172 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: would have to make do with his father's love, plus 173 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: the occasional bar of gold. Family life was strained elsewhere too. 174 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Because of the deep love Kim Jong Ill felt for 175 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: his son, it didn't translate to the boy's mother. The 176 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: honeymoon phase was long over and their relationship had all 177 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: but collapsed. The former actress was deeply unhappy. She missed 178 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: the stage, the adrenaline fueled glow of a film set. 179 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: She wanted to play movie roles, not the role of 180 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: a subservient housekeeper, and despite living in the lap of luxury, 181 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: she was tired of being treated as a dirty secret. 182 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Here again is the founder of North Curre. You watch 183 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: Michael Madden, whose audio will remind you was distorted, hence 184 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: the voiceover. Even though you live in these beautiful villas 185 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: with swimming pools and the best food and access to television, 186 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: you're essentially under a glorified house arrest, and Kim Jong 187 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: Ill didn't have patience for any of the woman's feelings. 188 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: His love for her faded years earlier. Kim had once 189 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: called her his yell ball or wife, but now he 190 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: had downgraded her title to quote the mother of my son. 191 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: The relationship grew hostile, and as Kim jong Il became 192 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: more and more distant, her mental health began to spiral in. 193 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: Living in the house of Kim Jong Ill was a 194 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: very stressful experience. Kim Jong Ill was a fairly moody guy, 195 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: and he was the most powerful man in the country, 196 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: so living around him was basically an exercise and walking 197 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: on eggshells. And then Kim jong Il decided he had 198 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: had enough. It was time to kick the woman out 199 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: of his life for good. But their son, he decided, 200 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: would stay with him. Hongheading panicked at the news, she 201 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: scooped Kim jong Nam into her arms and sprinted for 202 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: the palace doors, Desperate to make an escape, She didn't 203 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: get far before the guards stopped her. Shortly after, she 204 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: was sent to Moscow for quote medical treatment. Aside from 205 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: a few failed attempts to return home, she'd spend the 206 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: remainder of her life in Russia mired and depression. Meanwhile, 207 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: at Residence Number fifteen, a young Kim Jong Nam went 208 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: back to being treated as a state's secret. He was 209 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: friendless and now motherless. And soon he would begin to 210 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: feel fatherless too. We want to step back for a 211 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: moment and take a detour. Too many of us, North 212 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: Korea can seem well, a little bit crazy. It's this small, 213 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: bellicost country with nuclear weapons, led by a man with 214 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: funny hair and comically bad propaganda. The leaders seem psychotic. 215 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: They run googlogs. But at the same time, we'll hack 216 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: a company sir verse because of a Seth Rogan film. 217 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: The state media announces menacing missile launches while almost in 218 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: the same breath claiming that they just discovered a unicorn 219 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: layer in a cave. It can be hard to take 220 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: North Korea seriously, but over the course of reporting this podcast, 221 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: almost every expert we spoke to kept making the same 222 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: point that North Korea is, in fact not irrational and 223 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: it's definitely not unpredictable. A lot of the mainstream media's 224 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: obsession with North Korea now borders on caricatures and the eccentric, 225 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: But really, North Korea is a deeply serious and rational country. 226 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: When you look at it as a sovereign country with 227 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: its own strategic interest, a lot of the moves that 228 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: it makes make a lot of sense. North Korea is 229 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: not only not crazy, but very careful methodical in the 230 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: way North Korea just tries to paint its adversaries into 231 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: a corner. The point is to understand the death of 232 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Nam, you need to understand what drives North 233 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: Korea and most of us, well, we don't understand, but 234 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: it's possible to make sense of it. Take for instance, 235 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: the Kim personality cult. It's not the only country with 236 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: a personality cult, but it is one of the most effective. 237 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: And the reason has a lot to do with Confucianism. 238 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: Confucianism is deeply embedded in North Korean society. That's Dr 239 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: Sung Unually, a professor at Tufts University. He's an expert 240 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: on North Korea US relations as well as history. Confucianism 241 00:19:53,960 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: has been the most prominent ideology in Korean history since 242 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: about the year fourteen. Confucius never stepped foot on the 243 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: Korean peninsula, but his life's work saturates the region's value 244 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: system both North and South. Take North Korea's propaganda, for example, 245 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: the films cooked up by Kim Jong il in the 246 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties painted the Supreme leader as universally benevolent, even omniscient. 247 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: The leader's talents no no bounds. Kim Jong Ill, after all, 248 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: supposedly wrote six operas and could hit eighteen holes in one. 249 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, but the strategy makes some sense in the 250 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: context of Confucianism. Confucius experienced deep instability during his lifetime, 251 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: and he dreamed of bringing peace to the bloodshed around him. 252 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: He preached strategies that he believed could coax order from 253 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: the chaos. In solution was virtue. In Confucian society, a 254 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: leader rules not by force, but by virtue, and the 255 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: Kim family knows this, so they push a narrative, one 256 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: that constantly reminds the populace over and over and over, 257 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: how dear, how great, how benevolent, how kind, and how 258 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: caring their leader is. This desire to appear virtuous, mixed 259 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: with the peck two myth of divine rule, creates a 260 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: noxious ideology that basically treats the Kims as God's and 261 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: if they're to be worshiped like God's, then they must 262 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: have the virtues and the abilities of God's. As a result, 263 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: North Korea has outstalinized Stalin. North Korea's cult of personality 264 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: puts the cult of Chairman mob in China or Stalin 265 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: in the former Soviet Union to shame. And that's why 266 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: Kim Jong il had to keep his private life a secret. 267 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: If news ever spread to the common people about his 268 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: illicit relationship with an actress or his love child, it 269 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: could soil this carefully calibrated image. It could be especially 270 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: dangerous if this knowledge ever fell into the hands of 271 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: a competitor or some military figure who wanted to stage 272 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: a coup. This information could be used against him to 273 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: puncture that godlike persona. Because the other element of Confucianism 274 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: revolves around hierarchy, what are the common characteristics of Confucianism? 275 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: Respectful communal values, respect for society, respectful authority, respect for 276 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: the nation, putting the family about the individual, the society 277 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: above the family, and the state above all. Confucius believed 278 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: in the society built upon strong hierarchies with strict obedience 279 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: to authorities. This, he said, could foster stability, and the 280 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: system has a proven track record. According to Dr Lee, 281 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: Korea's ancient dynasties flourished because of this dogmatic loyalty to 282 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: superiors and the willingness to put society before the self. 283 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: Confucian societies are more cohesive to when it comes to 284 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: national calamities, war, the pandemic. People are more prone to 285 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: sacrificing their individual privacy and their individual rights for the 286 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: sake of the greater good of society. This respect for 287 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: hierarchy is the reason young people both North and South 288 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: are expected to show constant obedience to their parents, to teachers, 289 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: and the government offici shoals. There are three bonds so 290 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: cold in Confucianism. First the bureaucrat, the official submits himself 291 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: to the king, and then the gross gender inequality women, 292 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: the wife submits herself to the husband and later even 293 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: to her own son. And then filial piety the son 294 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: submits to the father. But it's filial piety, submission and 295 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: loyalty to your father's reputation that really drives the culture. 296 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: And in North Korea everybody has the same symbolic father. 297 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: The man with peck two blood Kim ils Hung. This 298 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: is no mistake, this is a brilliant strategy. The Kims 299 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: have used propaganda to hijack traditional Confucian values and seize 300 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: upon the national myth of the Peck two bloodline to 301 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: serve their own interests and to feed their own power. 302 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: It was a way for Kim Ala Song to essentially 303 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: guarantee that he was going to be front and center 304 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: of the North Korean system. That you may remember is Dr. 305 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: Benjamin Young, a historian at Virginia Commonwealth University. There was 306 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: actually a slogan in uh North Koreator in the Cold 307 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: War era that literally said koreas Kimbelsung. Kimmel Sung is Korea. 308 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: The Kim family personality called It is ubiquitous within North Korea, 309 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: from slogans and posters to school children learning poems about 310 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: the greatness of Kimmel Song. I really can't escape it. 311 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: It is central to the North Korean way of life, 312 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: and there is nothing to rival or challenge that messaging. 313 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: In fact, the government is the only source of information. 314 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: This persistent burrage of propaganda has a way of bending 315 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: and breaking people's minds into submission. So the people of 316 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: North Korea believe these stories, whether through real devotion or 317 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: fear of what might happen if they don't. It helps 318 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: breed political loyalty and simultaneously quashes any grassroots opposition. And 319 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: total fidelity to the image of one man, one family 320 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: has the power to turn normal people into monsters. Look 321 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: no further than Kim Chang Ill. In the nine seventies, 322 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: when Kim jong Nam was just a little boy, his 323 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: father was preparing to become the nation's next ruler. He 324 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: was the chosen son of heaven, a pick to air, 325 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: and he had an image to maintain, a godlike image, 326 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: and that's probably why he sent the mother of his 327 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: firstborn son to Moscow. If she stayed in North Korea, 328 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: it was guaranteed that gossip about their relationship would reach 329 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: the public. So he exiled her, banishing her to a 330 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: foreign mental facility, and in the process, his cruelty affected 331 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: his son. He deprived Kim jong Nam of a mother. 332 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: In fact, Kim jong Il would go to extreme lengths 333 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: to ensure that the boy and his mother would remain 334 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: a state secret. We know this because at the time, 335 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: a group of young North Korean students were living in Moscow. 336 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: One day, a student somehow learned about Kim jong il's 337 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: mentally distressed mistress. Words spread that she lived nearby, somewhere 338 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union. The gossip spread all the way 339 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: back to Kiang Yang, and Kim jong Il was horrified. 340 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: In an effort to shut down the rumor mill, he 341 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: sent a security team to Russia. Kim's communist goons arrived 342 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: in Moscow, rounded up all the university students and interrogated them. 343 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: Anybody who acknowledged knowing anything about the ex mistress or 344 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: her whereabouts or her child was immediately executed. Turns out, 345 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: Kim jong Nam was a secret worth killing for. For 346 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: most of his childhood, Kim jong Nam was functionally locked 347 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: in a palace, cut off from the outside world. The 348 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: boy passed his time and activity by reading books, drawing pictures, 349 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: and naturally, watching movies, and his father continued to spoil him. 350 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: One time, when the little prince had a toothache, Kim 351 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: Jong ille convinced him to go to the dentist by 352 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: gifting him a Cadillac. When he turned eight, his father 353 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: threw him a birthday party, where instead of toys, he 354 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: was given a military uniform and the rank of martial. 355 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: In a nod to his future rank, palace workers began 356 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: referring to the boy as little Comrade General. Later that night, 357 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: a fireworks display spelled out the words Happy birthday, Comrade 358 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: General in the sky. Nothing was too much to ask for. 359 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: On one occasion, when the young child requested that his 360 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: father hire his favorite South Korean comedian. The regimes seriously 361 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: considered abducting the funny man, but this is the hassle. Instead, 362 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Il sand scouts to find a look alike. 363 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: They returned with a farmer who they trained to do 364 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: stand up comedy. But Kim Jong Ill knew that his 365 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: firstborn son was still lonely. A palace of endless toys 366 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: and cars and jewels was not the same as having 367 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: a mother or a friend his own age. So when 368 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Nam was eight, his father brought a little 369 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: girl home to be his friend. It was his thirteen 370 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: year old cousin, Namok. The two hit it off immediately. 371 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Nam and Nam were very very close growing. 372 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: They were like brother and sister that were each other's 373 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: only friends. Together, the duo would binge movies and shoot 374 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: pelicans and potter between the palace walls on golf carts. 375 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes they convinced the palace show first to drive them 376 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: around the streets of Kong Young. They were never allowed 377 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: out of the vehicle. The girl would become his playmate 378 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: and his closest confidant. He basically kind of gave up 379 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: her whole life to be his friend, to be his sidekicks. 380 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: His father also invited Kim jong Nam's grandmother and aunt 381 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: to move into residence Umber fifteen to provide a needed 382 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: maternal presence. The women were like governesses. They schooled him 383 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: and everything from Russian to mathematics. By the time he 384 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: was nine, Kim jong Nam was growing into an artistic 385 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: and curious young child, A sensitive yet optimistic boy who 386 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: loved books and jokes and the latest technology, and his 387 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: feelings of filial piety ran deep. The boy worshiped his father, 388 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: as his playmate Enamok later recounted, he was totally submissive 389 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: to his father, and I never criticized what Kim jongile 390 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: decided for him. Kim Jongial poured his very deep love 391 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: into his on in childhood, so I don't think the 392 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: child felt lonely. His mother's absence was covered up by 393 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: his father's presence, but it wouldn't last. As Kim jong 394 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: Nam grew older, his father's love grew colder. He stopped 395 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: talking the young boy into bed. He no longer dispatched 396 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: teams to buy him every imaginable gift. He started to 397 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: join the family in residence number fifteen for supper less 398 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: and less often only appearing three times a week. The 399 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: reason Kim jong Il had what we're called secret parties 400 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: or secret banquets, and those became places where many decisions 401 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: were made, whether it was about policy or personnel, and 402 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: everybody was required to sing and everybody was required to 403 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: have a lot to drink. One night, Kim jong Il 404 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: invited a local art troop to one of these parties, 405 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: the sude Ar Troupe, which is a prestigious performing arts 406 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: group in North Korea, and he was immediately smitten by 407 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: the group's star dancer. She's on the cover of record 408 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,959 Speaker 1: albums that they would put out and traveled around Japan. 409 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: So Kim jong Il invited the dance troupe back again 410 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: and again just to watch the same woman perform. After 411 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: each performance, he invited her to sit beside him. Sometimes 412 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: he'd even go to their rehearsals to watch her practice. 413 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: Her name was Cool Yong He, and sometime around she 414 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: began missing dance practice. Rumors swirled among the dancers that 415 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: she was pregnant, and soon she was living in the 416 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: Royal Palace with Kim Jong Il is the third or 417 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: fourth wife of Kim Jong Ill and my wife. These 418 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: people were never officially married. These are more like royal consorts. 419 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: These are women that Kim jong Ill established households with. 420 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: Like Kim jong Il's previous relationship, this one was also 421 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: a little scandalous in North Korea's cast system. This new 422 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: woman was the lowest of the low. Her father had 423 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: worked for the Japanese Army, North Korea's sworn enemy. But 424 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: none of this matter to Kim jong Ill. He loved 425 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: her and she was carrying a baby, a boy, what 426 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: would be his second son. So he gave her her 427 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: own home, and Changill started an entirely new household, one 428 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: that lived completely separated from Kim jong Nam's wing of 429 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: the family. And with that, an unspoken feud flared between 430 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: the two branches of Kim's one that would go on 431 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: for decades to come. But for the young Kim jong Nam, 432 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: it was his father's divided attention that took the biggest toll. 433 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: He saw less of Kim Jong Il and grew closer 434 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: with his aunts and uncles. He started feeling increasingly alienated 435 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: from his father, so Kim jong Nam's minders made a decision. 436 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: It was time to give the boy a new environment. 437 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: He couldn't live as a secret anymore. He had to 438 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: see the world. The family of Kim jong The family 439 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: of Kim jong Nam convinced Kim Jong Ill that Kim 440 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: jong Nam needs to get a proper education in a 441 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: school setting. He can't do it in North Korea because 442 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: you have to keep the leader standard secret. So they 443 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: convinced Kim Jong Ill that Kim jong Nam should study abroad, 444 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,479 Speaker 1: and the first stop is Switzerland. This decision, however, would 445 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: do nothing to improve Kim jong Nam's relation ship with 446 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: his father. In fact, Cheng Nam would feel even more 447 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 1: forgotten neglected. He was motherless, he had one childhood friend 448 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: to his name, and now he was living thousands of 449 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: miles away from home. And for the first time in 450 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: his life, the firstborn heir to the Peck two dynasty 451 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: began to feel something, something he had been taught to 452 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: suppress all his life, resentment for his father. I can 453 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: just paraphrase what he said, which was that when I 454 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: left for switzerlandon my father replaced me with his new family, 455 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: and that was pretty devastating. Little did Kim jong Nam, no, 456 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: But that's exactly what his father's new mistress wanted because 457 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: in she gave birth to another boy. His name was 458 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: Kim Jong un. And even though these boys were still 459 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: too young to even comprehend running a country, Koyong he 460 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: knew that Kim Jong nam stood in the way of 461 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,959 Speaker 1: her children's path to the throne, and she would do 462 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: anything to clear it. Next time on Big Brother, we 463 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: dive deeper into how manipulative mothers drove two young boys 464 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: to scramble for their father's affection, leading to a ruthless 465 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: race to become North Korea's successor. Big Brother is a 466 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: production of School of Humans and I Heart Radio and 467 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: hosted by me Eden Lee Lucas. 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