WEBVTT - Ep 1: Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>Novel. Before we begin, a content warning. The following episode

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<v Speaker 1>contains difficult themes and violence. The Manhattan Courthouse is surrounded.

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<v Speaker 2>There were over one thousand people who showed up outside

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom. They had snipers on the roofs in Foley Square.

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<v Speaker 2>They had police officers with riot guns in the hallway.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside Courtroom one forty eight, smoke stained shades do all

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<v Speaker 1>they can to block out the sun and any industrious

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<v Speaker 1>lucky loose hoping to get a peek inside, and who

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<v Speaker 1>could blame them.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time, it was called the Trial of the Century.

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<v Speaker 3>It really was national news.

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<v Speaker 1>Men in dark suits crowded every available seat.

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<v Speaker 2>The entire gallery during the trial was full.

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<v Speaker 1>Of press their hats, rest on their knees or turn

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<v Speaker 1>in their hands. Some fidget, some slouch, others sit ramrod straight.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone is focused on the scene in front of them,

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<v Speaker 1>a man with a carefully groomed mustache walking confidently toward

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<v Speaker 1>the stand.

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<v Speaker 2>He was very aggressive and very ambitious.

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<v Speaker 3>That was his personality. Dewey loved being in the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas E. Dewey, famed investigator of the crime syndicates, casting

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<v Speaker 1>a menacing shadow across America.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you take this random mayhem of violence and

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<v Speaker 4>bring it under the law.

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<v Speaker 5>Thomas Dewey enters the picture on that platform.

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<v Speaker 1>His assistant attorney's shuffle papers. The courtroom leans closer towards

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<v Speaker 1>the main attraction. The man facing Dewey on the stand

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<v Speaker 1>he is.

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<v Speaker 3>Called sometimes the boss of bosses.

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<v Speaker 5>Slender, slightly darker skin tone of Sicilian extraction.

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<v Speaker 1>A suit jacket covers tattoos on the defendant's forearms.

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<v Speaker 5>All symbols of luck. He took great effort to keep

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<v Speaker 5>those tattoos out of the public light. At the time,

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<v Speaker 5>tattoos were not exactly the upstanding citizen kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>A silk shirt and gold watch mark him as a

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<v Speaker 1>man with expensive taste. He wipes a handkerchief over his

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<v Speaker 1>brow and meets the eyes of the courtroom. Everyone can

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<v Speaker 1>see it. Charles Lucky Luciano, one of the most feared

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<v Speaker 1>mafia leaders anyone ever knew, is sweating. Maybe he was flustered.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the government really did put him on edge.

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<v Speaker 1>He used to be so sure of himself, but now

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<v Speaker 1>things don't seem so certain anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>Luciano really never stands a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>He never should have taken the stand. That was the

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<v Speaker 2>nail in Lucky's.

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<v Speaker 1>Coffin a few blocks from the courthouse, on the fourteenth

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<v Speaker 1>floor of Manhattan's gothic Woolworth Building, there is an office

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<v Speaker 1>serviceable tidy inside sits the woman responsible for putting Lucky

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<v Speaker 1>Luciano on trial, Eunice Hunting Carter, thirty six years old

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty six, bright eyes the kind of quietly

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<v Speaker 1>amused expression that makes you think she's laughing at a

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<v Speaker 1>joke she can't share. She's New York's first black female

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor for the District Attorney's Office in Manhattan. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest case of her career. But as Lucky Luciano

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<v Speaker 1>squirms on the stand, Eunice Hunting Carter is not there

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<v Speaker 1>on center stage. Her name never appears in court transcripts.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not. There would be no trial of the century

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<v Speaker 1>without her. But Unice's work on this case is far

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<v Speaker 1>from over. Destiny has more in store for the trial's

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<v Speaker 1>key players, uniting them forever in unexpected ways. Lucky, Dewey

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<v Speaker 1>and Unice, all born within five years of each other,

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<v Speaker 1>similar ages, similar ferocious ambitions, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Their lives intersect in a courtroom for one month in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty six.

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<v Speaker 1>But only two we're given the opportunity to stand out.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky and Dewey will go down in history. Eunice was

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<v Speaker 1>kept from the spotlight. Maybe it's not surprising that in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty six a black woman was not given room

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<v Speaker 1>to share the stage, But nearly ninety years later, Eunice

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<v Speaker 1>Hunting Carter still isn't the hose household name. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is surprising, or at least I think it should be,

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<v Speaker 1>because recently I've come to learn about Unice Hunting Carter

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<v Speaker 1>and she wasn't just the engineer of this one defining

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<v Speaker 1>moment in mob history. Eunice was a pioneer across all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of spheres that have come to shape America. Eunice

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<v Speaker 1>was there navigating worlds designed to hold her back, often

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<v Speaker 1>leaving them transformed. So I've been talking to some people

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<v Speaker 1>who have remembered her name, people who can help me

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<v Speaker 1>tell her story.

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<v Speaker 2>Unice Carter was the spark that started the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fire, a black woman who took on one of the

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<v Speaker 1>country's most notorious mobsters. I want more people to hear

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<v Speaker 1>what she did, even more than her achievements. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to understand who she was.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not even just that not everyone remembers Unis, but

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<v Speaker 7>that people don't even believe she could have existed.

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<v Speaker 3>She was really active in the Harlem Renaissance.

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<v Speaker 8>Eunis ran for office. People thought she was going to win.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't back down in an argument.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a straight shooter who will say something and

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<v Speaker 3>mean it. But I think she was guarded.

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<v Speaker 1>I did wonder if she felt stifled. All around us today,

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<v Speaker 1>from school rooms to halls of legislation, Black American history

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<v Speaker 1>is being erased. Remembering Eunice Hunting Carter feels more urgent

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<v Speaker 1>than ever. But is that even possible when so many

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<v Speaker 1>years of erasure and forgetting lie in our way. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to find out to try to put Eunice Hunting

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<v Speaker 1>Carter back in the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm going to ask first Missus Eunice Carter to

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<v Speaker 3>tell us some of the things that she has on

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<v Speaker 3>our mind.

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<v Speaker 4>This is awesome, Well, Missus Roosevelt, I have to agree,

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<v Speaker 4>and our association agrees with what doctor Malack just said.

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<v Speaker 4>We are concerned more though, with the implementation of human

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<v Speaker 4>rights for all mankind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nicole Perkins and from the teams at iHeartRadio and Novel,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Godmother Episode one, Atlanta, nineteen twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>replica by Eunice ROBERTA.

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<v Speaker 9>Hunting noonday sun scorched a treeless ribbon of brick red road.

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<v Speaker 9>A breeze, hot and languid, stirred, fitfully angry, red dust

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<v Speaker 9>rose in great puffs, only to settle back heavily on

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<v Speaker 9>all who dared the road. And then impasse for the

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<v Speaker 9>way ended quite suddenly in according of vehicles, a ford,

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<v Speaker 9>shining anew rubbed shoulders, with a road mender's pitch cart.

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<v Speaker 9>They were all there, these and dozens of others, barricading

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<v Speaker 9>the entrance to a grove of Georgia oaks.

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<v Speaker 1>Long before I moved to New York and became a writer,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Nashville, Tennessee. This was during the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and nineties, and when it came time for me

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<v Speaker 1>to go to college, I knew I wanted to stay

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<v Speaker 1>in the South. I wanted the familiar, soupy heat, the

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<v Speaker 1>magnificent magnolia and oak trees. Schools in Atlanta were some

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<v Speaker 1>of the first I applied to. The city was the

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<v Speaker 1>place to be for American black folks. Atlanta was about

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<v Speaker 1>four hours away, the perfect destination for weekend trips and

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<v Speaker 1>date nights for the black bourgeoisie and those who wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be It was where we went to shop for

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<v Speaker 1>luxury brands that hadn't made it to Nashville yet. It

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the top places in the country for

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<v Speaker 1>black people who wanted wealth and education without leaving the South.

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<v Speaker 1>The Atlanta I knew about a city that held so

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<v Speaker 1>much promise for black people was shaped by the lives

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<v Speaker 1>of those who arrived over one hundred years before. In

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty five, the Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Crow laws of the late eighteen hundred It's established

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<v Speaker 1>a new form of segregation, and so to foster their

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<v Speaker 1>own success, black people began creating communities like in Nicodemus, Kansas,

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<v Speaker 1>or Greenwood, Tulsa. And in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 8>Hundreds, if not thousands, of African Americans migrated from rural

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<v Speaker 8>areas of the state and elsewhere to Atlanta. They saw

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<v Speaker 8>it as a place where they could make a life

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<v Speaker 8>for themselves. That was really the first phase of Atlanta

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<v Speaker 8>being viewed as a mecca for Black America.

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<v Speaker 1>The Huntings are among those drawn to Atlanta. William Alfaez

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<v Speaker 1>Hunting Senior and Addie Waite Hunting met in Norfolk, Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>before moving there. William is thirty six Atty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>It's eighteen ninety nine and they've just had a daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>This was ADDIE's third pregnancy, and a difficult one. They've

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<v Speaker 1>already lost two babies. They aren't sure this child will survive.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first few weeks of her life, William and

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<v Speaker 1>Addie just call her Sugar. But she's strong, healthy, and

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<v Speaker 1>once her parents are sure she'll survive, they name her Unice.

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<v Speaker 1>As Unice's childhood begins, the Hunting's are part of a thriving,

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<v Speaker 1>regenerated Atlanta. They lived in the Auburn Avenue neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 8>Auburn Avenue would be come by near twentieth century what

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<v Speaker 8>Fortune magazine called the richest Negro street in the world,

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<v Speaker 8>not just in the country, but in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It's close to the white part of town and near Peachtree,

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<v Speaker 1>the Lively business district. I try to imagine Unice as

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<v Speaker 1>a child, watching brick buildings go up around her, holding

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<v Speaker 1>her mother ADDIE's hands as they walk downly paved streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Units probably sees people from all walks of life, postal workers, seamstresses, accountants, reporters, bakers, tailors,

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<v Speaker 1>hat makers.

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<v Speaker 8>Whatever business that was needed by the black community was

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<v Speaker 8>provided by black business people who catered to the needs

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<v Speaker 8>of black residents and also in many cases, catered to

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<v Speaker 8>the needs of whites.

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<v Speaker 1>Off Peachtree, her family can do all their shopping knowing

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<v Speaker 1>they're supporting black businesses and that the money remains in

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<v Speaker 1>this community, lifting some families out of poverty.

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<v Speaker 8>In the city, the majority of black people lived in poverty,

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<v Speaker 8>as was the case in much of the South, but

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<v Speaker 8>you had a strong emerging black middle class and upper

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<v Speaker 8>middle class, and Atlanta became a magnet that drew these

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<v Speaker 8>people who wanted to, of course find wealth, but I

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<v Speaker 8>also wanted to aid in the uplift of the black community.

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<v Speaker 1>The house that the Hunting's live in, it's big enough

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<v Speaker 1>to require a maid, a cook, and a gardener. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to have a maid and a cook right now.

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<v Speaker 8>The Hunting family had a very nice home, like twelve

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<v Speaker 8>to fifteen room home on Houston Street. Houston Street's where

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<v Speaker 8>you had many prominent African Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they liked to have pleasant surroundings. But the

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<v Speaker 3>most important thing to them was learning about the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I get the impression that you would be surrounded by books,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd be surrounded by bookcases.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike literally ninety nine percent of the Black community at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. Unice's parents have been to college.

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<v Speaker 3>Her father, William, was really active in his job, traveling

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<v Speaker 3>through the South in the United States. He was gone

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<v Speaker 3>a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>William Huntson is the first Black Secretary of the International.

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<v Speaker 3>YA, trying to integrate and establish the YMCA for Black People.

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<v Speaker 10>And Addie hunting She was a social activist in her

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<v Speaker 10>own right, one of the founders of the National Association

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<v Speaker 10>of Colored Women and then eventually one of the founding

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<v Speaker 10>members of the Council of Negro Women.

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<v Speaker 1>Addie writes long articles and gives speeches in front of

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<v Speaker 1>packed crowds, and her audience hears a message of responsibility,

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<v Speaker 1>how the first duty of black women is to their

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<v Speaker 1>homes to focus on their families and children, and their

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<v Speaker 1>next duty was to uplift the race. But Addie isn't

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<v Speaker 1>really practicing what she preaches, just like her husband, her

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<v Speaker 1>career often takes her away from Unice and her home,

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<v Speaker 1>and as she begins to work with the National Association

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<v Speaker 1>for the advancement of colored people. She starts taking even

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<v Speaker 1>more trips away from her family.

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<v Speaker 8>She alone, black woman would travel to various cities in

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<v Speaker 8>which there have been unrest, attacks on the black community,

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<v Speaker 8>attacks on those who attempted to establish branches of the NAACP.

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<v Speaker 1>These trips were dangerous journeys, especially for a black woman.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine the kind of responses she got

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<v Speaker 1>from strangers. To me, it speaks to her determination and dedication,

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<v Speaker 1>her passion to be more than what society expects.

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<v Speaker 8>She went to explore, to find out, to gather evidence,

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<v Speaker 8>to talk to those to encourage individuals in those cities

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<v Speaker 8>to establish the branches, and she was quite successful of it.

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<v Speaker 8>She did so without fear.

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<v Speaker 1>This makes me think of my own mother, because she

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<v Speaker 1>sacrificed her own ambitions for our family. She made sure

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<v Speaker 1>to tell my older sister and I to do more

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<v Speaker 1>with our lives. As much as she loved us, she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted us to pursue our dreams. I wonder if Addie

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<v Speaker 1>had similar talks with unus. Addie seemed to sacrifice her

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<v Speaker 1>home life for her larger ambitions at such a young age.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Yunus understand that sacrifice or was she resentful of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Eunice's parents are trying to help build a world where

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<v Speaker 1>black people have rights and opportunities, a South where they

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<v Speaker 1>can thrive racial uplift, but not everyone is thrilled by

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<v Speaker 1>that vision. As a small child, perhaps staring wide eyed

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<v Speaker 1>at a city being built around her, at her parents

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<v Speaker 1>making waves in Black America, Unice cannot possibly know that

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<v Speaker 1>she is standing in the middle of a tinder box.

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<v Speaker 1>In July nineteen oh six, Eunice Hunting is seven years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's got a younger brother to keep her busy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now al Faeus, they're about four years apart. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's doing what little girls do, probably wanting toys or

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<v Speaker 1>trips to the candy store, maybe even the library. She's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not thinking about who's going to be elected governor,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a campaign happening around her in Atlanta that year.

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<v Speaker 1>That election is just a few months away. Both candidates

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<v Speaker 1>are Democrats.

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<v Speaker 8>Pake Smith and Clark Howell. These were the owners publishers

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<v Speaker 8>of Atlanta Journal and Atlanta Constitution newspapers, two separate newspapers

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<v Speaker 8>at that time, and each of those newspapers wrote sensational

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<v Speaker 8>and largely false stories on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 1>So these two white men are stirring up a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of racist unrest and flat out lying in order to

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<v Speaker 1>make white Georgians afraid of the power of the black vote,

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<v Speaker 1>which across America is still just a few decades old.

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<v Speaker 8>African Americans were also granted the right of citizenship. The

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<v Speaker 8>fourteenth Amendment and the fifteenth Amendment guaranteed voting rights for

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<v Speaker 8>African American men, and so when African American men were

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<v Speaker 8>given the right to vote declared citizens, it signaled to

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<v Speaker 8>them a new day in terms of opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>And that threatened Smith and Howell, especially because when black

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<v Speaker 1>men did turn out to vote, they were not voting

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<v Speaker 1>for men like them, men whose families had defended slavery.

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<v Speaker 8>African Americans were able to garner a degree of political power.

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<v Speaker 1>White democrats like Smith and Howell were afraid of black

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<v Speaker 1>voting power.

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<v Speaker 8>They considered African Americans an economic threat because they felt

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<v Speaker 8>they were in competition against these black businesses that were

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<v Speaker 8>doing very well.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point. As Atlanta heads into the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 1>black businesses are thriving, which is not what the country

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<v Speaker 1>is used to. There are wealthy black people in places

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<v Speaker 1>like Tulsa and Charleston, but you have to go looking

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<v Speaker 1>for them. In Atlanta, segregation is still everywhere, but those

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<v Speaker 1>black businesses exist side by side, So the growing prosperity

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<v Speaker 1>of the black community is unavoidable. Why should black people

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<v Speaker 1>have the same or better lives than the white citizens

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<v Speaker 1>of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 8>It was during that time that the newspapers began to

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<v Speaker 8>literally create stories that black men were assaulting white women

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<v Speaker 8>in an attempt to really fan the flames of racism.

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<v Speaker 8>The leadership of the white power structure really pulling the

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<v Speaker 8>strings and manipulating their constituency.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, at the Hunting home, letters arrive from both Addie

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<v Speaker 1>and William Hunting from their work travels on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>William revels and news of Unice. How smart she is

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<v Speaker 1>even as a little girl, but still just seven years

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<v Speaker 1>old in that summer of nineteen oh six. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if she's picking up on the rising tensions. Does her

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<v Speaker 1>mother hold her hand tighter when white men come by

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<v Speaker 1>on the street. Do they have a cold word in

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<v Speaker 1>case they need to run? Whether or not Yunus understands

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening around her. William and Addie have a crystal

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<v Speaker 1>clear read of the situation.

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<v Speaker 8>Black people were highly aware that something was about to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>The black community in Atlanta is now preparing for the worst.

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<v Speaker 8>They clandestinely ship in on train's weapons arms guns so

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<v Speaker 8>they could protect themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the evening of September twenty second, nineteen oh six,

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<v Speaker 1>a week and a half before the Smith Howell election.

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<v Speaker 8>A Saturday evening. People were leaving work. People were coming

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<v Speaker 8>into the downtown area to go to restaurants or the theater.

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<v Speaker 8>People were going into the city to start work if

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<v Speaker 8>they had night shifts or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It may be the end of September, but summer in

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<v Speaker 1>the South likes to linger, and Atlanta is a bowl

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<v Speaker 1>of humidity.

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<v Speaker 8>The streets were crowded and the street cars were crowded.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also time for the latest edition of the evening

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers to unleash their new fictions.

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<v Speaker 8>The Atlanta Evening News on that day had just published

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<v Speaker 8>an edition that screamed headlines about more texts on white women,

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<v Speaker 8>newspaper boys out in the street, going extra, extra extra.

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<v Speaker 8>This was an extra edition of the Atlanta Evening News.

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<v Speaker 8>It was timed to really spark the animosity that was

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<v Speaker 8>already building up they knew that there would be a

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<v Speaker 8>number of people in the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody black and white are crowded together on the street cars,

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<v Speaker 1>bumping against each other on the sidewalk. It's hot.

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<v Speaker 8>These newspaper boys yelling out black men, rapes, white women.

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<v Speaker 1>People are irritated.

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<v Speaker 8>The street cars were supposed to be segregated. You could

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<v Speaker 8>imagine at the end of a day, when it's crowded,

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<v Speaker 8>you got a long day at work, you don't really

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<v Speaker 8>want to get up and give up your seat to somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>People are getting in each other's faces.

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<v Speaker 8>The animosity, that sense of urgency had been building.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, and then the violence starts on the street. Things

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<v Speaker 1>get ugly fast.

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<v Speaker 8>People said we're gonna kill every black person in sight.

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<v Speaker 8>Then they say every black person. They used the N word,

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<v Speaker 8>whether it's a man, whether it's a woman, whether it's

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<v Speaker 8>a child. They did not care whether that person was

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<v Speaker 8>just simply trying to get home and get away from

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<v Speaker 8>the crowd, or that person was taking a stand and

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<v Speaker 8>said I'm not gonna let anybody intimidate me. They would

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<v Speaker 8>grab that person, pull them off the street cars, first

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<v Speaker 8>of all, run them down if they were walking in

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<v Speaker 8>the streets. And now it's time to essentially rid ourselves

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<v Speaker 8>of as many black people as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Mobs of white men are now roaming around downtown Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 8>The mob of terrorists grew to about ten thousand men

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<v Speaker 8>and boys. They knew exactly where.

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<v Speaker 2>To go.

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<v Speaker 1>Across the Peachtree Business District. Straining with rush hour, they

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<v Speaker 1>wreak havoc.

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<v Speaker 8>There was a young black man named Frank Smith who

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<v Speaker 8>was a messenger, and he was trying to get back

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<v Speaker 8>to wherever his office was in the business district. They

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<v Speaker 8>grabbed him, they murdered him. They threw one man off

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<v Speaker 8>the for Side Street bridge onto the railroad track. They

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<v Speaker 8>pulled people off street cars and beat them, killed them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nightfall now.

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<v Speaker 8>This assault, this murder, this pillage continued. They dragged bodies

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<v Speaker 8>of their victims to the base of the statue that

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<v Speaker 8>still exists on for Syde Street of Henry Grady.

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<v Speaker 1>Grady was another white supremacist journalist.

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<v Speaker 8>He was revered by white citizens in Atlanta, particularly.

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<v Speaker 1>A precursor to Smith and Howell.

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<v Speaker 8>He was a symbol of what they were a to

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<v Speaker 8>achieve in terms of leadership, in terms of dominance of

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<v Speaker 8>white Atlantas in the city of Atlanta and really Georgia

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<v Speaker 8>and throughout the South.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Atlanta night, the vicious crowd spreads out from

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<v Speaker 1>downtown towards residential areas of the city.

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<v Speaker 8>The terrorists were actually headed to the Auburn Avenue community.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Eunice's neighborhood. Her home is right on the border

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<v Speaker 1>between white and black Atlanta. There the Hunting's wait trapped inside.

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<v Speaker 8>They were in their home looking out the window, and

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<v Speaker 8>mister Hunting, who was ready to defend his family, defend

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<v Speaker 8>his home against the rioters if necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder where Unice is at this time. Are she

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<v Speaker 1>and her brother hiding someplace? Does she hear the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>of angry men? Is she peeping through the shutters? At

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<v Speaker 1>the last minute, the mob suddenly stops a few houses

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<v Speaker 1>before her home. The ringleaders declare that homes in this

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<v Speaker 1>part of town seem too nice for negroes to live in,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the mob moves on, bringing destruction and violence

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<v Speaker 1>to someone else's door.

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<v Speaker 8>So it moved east to what's called the Fourth War

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<v Speaker 8>in Atlanta that's populated by working class and poor blacks.

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<v Speaker 8>This is thousands of attackers moving into that community to

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<v Speaker 8>essentially destroy homes kill people. The residents repel the angry mob.

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<v Speaker 8>They were also in their homes, weapons in hand, ready

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<v Speaker 8>to defend themselves if the mob should get to them.

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<v Speaker 1>The terror in Atlanta lasts for another three full days.

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<v Speaker 8>Many many more were killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually, Georgia's governor calls in the militia and the violence

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<v Speaker 1>in the center of the city starts to die down.

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<v Speaker 8>No one really knows how many African Americans died. The

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 8>estimate is between fifty to one hundred, and perhaps even more,

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:20.199
<v Speaker 8>and in many cases the bodies were spirited away, they disappeared.

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:25.119
<v Speaker 8>People did not want their dead to be associated with

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<v Speaker 8>the riot because even though they were the victims, they

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<v Speaker 8>feared that there would be consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>The fallout of the attacks in Atlanta went well beyond

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 1>those three days in late September.

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<v Speaker 8>Even after the carnage and the murders, you still had

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<v Speaker 8>the repercussions of the trauma of having experienced.

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>That Atlanta could rebuild, It could become the place I

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<v Speaker 1>would excitedly visit as a teenager many years later. But

0:27:56.200 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 1>what about the idea of Atlanta. It had become a

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 1>place that was no longer safe. It's clear Atlanta and

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>its Black community would never be the same.

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<v Speaker 8>Most people think about the Great Migration as being a

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 8>movement of African American men, women, and children from the

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:19.159
<v Speaker 8>rural south to the urban north, but you had variations

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.479
<v Speaker 8>of that. You had what occurred and the aftermath of

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 8>the nineteen oh six Atlanta race massacre. African Americans moving

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 8>from the urban south on north to the meccas to

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<v Speaker 8>the big cities where they felt they could be safer,

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 8>even though for sure racism was present in the North,

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<v Speaker 8>but they felt they would not be under the constant

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<v Speaker 8>threat of assault that they were in the South.

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<v Speaker 1>More than five thousand black people left the city as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of the massacre. The Huntings never returned to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>When I try to understand the impact the events in

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta had on seven year old Unis, I think back

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to a night I experienced in my own childhood when

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<v Speaker 1>my family home burned to the ground. I was fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so a little older than Unice, and the fire was

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<v Speaker 1>an accident. But what I remember is not having time

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>to grab clothes for my brother, so he was standing

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>outside in his underwear. I remember that it took a

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<v Speaker 1>long time for the fire department to show up but

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>my mother says they arrived quickly. It didn't feel like it.

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<v Speaker 1>These kinds of events always change you in some way.

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I keep a full outfit in my purse near my

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>bedside now in case of emergencies. The details of the

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>fire have softened in my memory, but the results of

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the night remain sharp. The Huntings joined millions of others

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>in a great migration away from the South. Addie and

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<v Speaker 1>William packed up their family for New York. Unus may

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>have been too young to know the full significance of

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 1>what has happened, but Atlanta will stay with her. She'll

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<v Speaker 1>later recall the proximity of the attacks of family members

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and write vividly about the Georgia she'd experienced all around

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>her before the violence of that night made it disappear.

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<v Speaker 1>For both Eunice and her little brother Alphaeus, their experiences

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<v Speaker 1>here would seem to shape how they approach their futures,

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<v Speaker 1>albeit in very different ways. At the turn of the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century, America enters an era of transition never seen

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<v Speaker 1>before or since. And in two bedrooms in Brooklyn, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>in the winter of nineteen oh seven, two children from

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<v Speaker 1>two sides of the Swell of that movement are asleep.

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>One is an eight year old Unice with her family,

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<v Speaker 1>The Hunting's Addie William and her baby brother Alphaeus, all

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>arrived in New York for the next chapter of their

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>lives just a few months before. But black people escaping

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>violent racism weren't the only people on the move during

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 1>this era. Millions of new immigrant families are reaching US

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 1>soil too, also looking for new chapters, many of them

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>via New York. A few streets away from Unice, in

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn that winter night sleeps a young Italian boy and

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<v Speaker 1>his family.

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<v Speaker 5>Lucky Lucciano, arrives in the United States as a young

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<v Speaker 5>boy from the western coast of Sicily.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky is just ten years old when he comes to Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>These two sleeping children aren't destined to cross paths just yet.

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>They'll both awake to very different realities before their two

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>paths come together, and soon Lucky's family will be off again,

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<v Speaker 1>this time just a few miles across the Hudson to

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<v Speaker 1>Manhattan's Lower East Side.

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<v Speaker 5>Lower East Manhattan is crammed with immigrants. At this point

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<v Speaker 5>in time, it was predominantly Jewish and Italian extraction, all

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<v Speaker 5>shoved into one tiny area of ten story and more tenements.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've seen films like Gangs of New York or

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<v Speaker 1>Once Upon a Time in America, you can probably picture

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<v Speaker 1>Lower East Manhattan at this time, overcrowded, noisy, new people

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<v Speaker 1>appearing daily in a neighborhood becoming known as Little Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky's family has come to New York in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of what's known as the Great Arrival. Millions more Italian

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants will relocate to the US, most from the south

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<v Speaker 1>of Italy, escaping epidemics and natural disasters. Many are in

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<v Speaker 1>Little Italy, essentially looking for the same thing the Huntings

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<v Speaker 1>are in their move to Brooklyn, a new page, fresh opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>But immigrants arriving in Little Italy instead find a disappointing familiarity, poverty,

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<v Speaker 1>and a new threat too constant suspicion.

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<v Speaker 5>The ones already established assimilated New Yorkers Americans at large

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<v Speaker 5>viewed as a threat. Were these foreigners speaking these foreign

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<v Speaker 5>languages with different religions. It wasn't an easy climb for

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<v Speaker 5>those people to come up the ladder.

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<v Speaker 1>Black upward mobility in cities like Atlanta was stopped in

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<v Speaker 1>its tracks because of white fear and jealousy. Many immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>ran into the same white supremacy in the form of xenophobia.

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<v Speaker 1>But soon after arriving in Little Italy, Lucky, who at

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<v Speaker 1>this point is still known as Salvatore Lukanya, which has

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<v Speaker 1>a nice ring to it, actually shows he's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to accept that this new reality is all American life

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<v Speaker 1>can offer him.

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<v Speaker 6>Very early on, he starts getting into trouble. He's kind

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<v Speaker 6>of a rough kid. He's kind of a moody kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Before long, Lucky's spending most of his days out on

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<v Speaker 1>the bustling streets of the Lower East Side, playing truant

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<v Speaker 1>from school and looking for action.

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<v Speaker 5>Like many of his peers in Lower East Manhattan in

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<v Speaker 5>the early twentieth century, coming from poverty. Yeah, it's the

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<v Speaker 5>same old story, but very true. They wanted more.

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<v Speaker 1>I picture Lucky and other neighborhood kids dodging the crowds,

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<v Speaker 1>taking chances.

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<v Speaker 6>He begins pickpocketing. He begins extorting younger kids for protection money,

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<v Speaker 6>stealing kids lunch money.

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<v Speaker 1>Deprived of the opportunities available to wider society, they're responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for their own education.

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<v Speaker 6>By the time he's a young teen, he has dropped

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<v Speaker 6>out of school. Both his parents and the state of

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<v Speaker 6>New York have sent him to Truancy School, but doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>While Lucky has been finding his way to Truancy School, Unie,

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<v Speaker 1>with her college educated parents, has been shown a very

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<v Speaker 1>different path where education leads to success. First, she's taken

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<v Speaker 1>away from Brooklyn to live in Germany with Addie and Alfais,

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<v Speaker 1>while William remains on the road traveling with his career.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen months later, Unics is back and at one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best schools for black students in New York, and

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<v Speaker 1>then on again to become one of the first black

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<v Speaker 1>women to attend the prestigious Smith College. With her parents' example,

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<v Speaker 1>she has a path to respectability and to success that

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky just doesn't have, even with a monster of racism

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<v Speaker 1>keeping her from certain avenues. So while she's in class

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<v Speaker 1>learning how to become the exception to the rule in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get ahead, Lucky Luciano continues his education in

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<v Speaker 1>a very different way.

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<v Speaker 5>He, like many of his peers, changed or altered their

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<v Speaker 5>names to be more easily pronounced or more Americanized. He

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<v Speaker 5>went with Luciano, and even still there were people had

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<v Speaker 5>a difficult time pronouncing it. He finally changed it to

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<v Speaker 5>Lucky keep it simple.

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<v Speaker 1>He learns how to circumvent the rules.

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<v Speaker 6>Luciano gets involved with the Five Points gang as a

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<v Speaker 6>teenager selling drugs.

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<v Speaker 5>Lucky did have some jobs. He worked as a hat

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<v Speaker 5>delivery boy, but he was pinched at age sixteen for

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<v Speaker 5>delivering a hat box with heroin in it.

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<v Speaker 1>This would be Lucky's only arrest for the next two decades,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a significant one. With a record, he is

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<v Speaker 1>now prevented from entering many so called respectable trades. The

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<v Speaker 1>die has been cast, and soon Lucky ends up under

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<v Speaker 1>the wing of some of the era's underworld leaders.

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<v Speaker 5>He's already been mentored by financer Arnold Rostein for a

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<v Speaker 5>tutelage in organized crime.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's still nothing here to suggest the notorious gangster

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<v Speaker 1>America will be reading about in newspaper headlines in the

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<v Speaker 1>coming decades, even less so that he and Unice will

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<v Speaker 1>somehow connect through the world of vice and crime. With

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<v Speaker 1>her smith college education and her parents' legacy behind her,

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<v Speaker 1>she's far from that life. For all her experiences and advantages.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time America reaches the nineteen twenties, Unice is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of separated from the realities of average Black American life.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's about to change because Unice is headed uptown

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<v Speaker 1>towards Harlem and the Harlem Renaissance. By the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>Harlem was referred to as being the capital of the

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<v Speaker 1>Black world, also known as the Mecca. Unice's education can

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<v Speaker 1>only shield her for so long. She's about to discover

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<v Speaker 1>a world that was much more familiar to Lucky Lugiano

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<v Speaker 1>than it was to her.

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<v Speaker 8>Black Harlem was not wealthy or elite as in other

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<v Speaker 8>parts of the country. The majority of the black community

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<v Speaker 8>were imparvished and struggling.

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<v Speaker 1>How much of what we know about Eunice's childhood comes

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<v Speaker 1>from her parents' letters sent to each other and to friends.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a frustrating distance to observe her from, but by

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties, Unice begins writing her own story very carefully,

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<v Speaker 1>and in doing so, she also changes American history. That

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<v Speaker 1>chapter of her life too often ends up as a

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<v Speaker 1>footnote in someone else's story, and frankly, that's a shame.

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<v Speaker 1>Eunice's life deserves more than a quick skim. That's coming

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<v Speaker 1>up in episode two of The Godmother. On episode one

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<v Speaker 1>of The Godmother, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Heard Marilyn Greenwald. I'm a professor Emerita of journalism at

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio University, and I'm the author of bi biograph, including

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<v Speaker 3>one of Eunice Hunt and Carter.

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<v Speaker 8>My name is doctor Clarissa Merik Harris, and I am

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<v Speaker 8>a tenured professor of Africana Studies at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 8>I am a native Atlanta and so that sparked curiosity

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<v Speaker 8>in me the stories that I should know that I don't,

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<v Speaker 8>and I wanted to learn those stories and share that history.

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<v Speaker 6>I am Claire White and I am the director of

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<v Speaker 6>Education at the Mob Museum in downtown Las Vegas. I

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<v Speaker 6>grew up in Las Vegas, which kind of gives me

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<v Speaker 6>a leg up in that regard, although the number of

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<v Speaker 6>organized crime groups that we've had in our city certainly

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<v Speaker 6>will never rival a city like New York.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is Christian Sipolini and I am an author

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<v Speaker 5>and a historian with a specialty in the fields of

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<v Speaker 5>true crime, organized crime, and cartel history.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Leah Carter.

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<v Speaker 7>I am Eunice Carter's great granddaughter. Her son Lyle is

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<v Speaker 7>my dad's father. Unis influenced my grandfather and he influenced

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<v Speaker 7>my dad, and my dad influenced me, not that I

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<v Speaker 7>have a grand unified theory of that exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The Godmother is produced by Novel for iHeartRadio. For more

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<v Speaker 1>from Novel, visit novel Dot Audio. The Godmother is hosted

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<v Speaker 1>and written by me Nicole Perkins. Our producer is Leona Hamid.

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<v Speaker 1>Our editor is Ajua Jima Broumpong. Additional story editing from

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<v Speaker 1>Max O'Brien and Mitha Lee Raw. Our researcher is Zianna Yusuf.

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<v Speaker 1>Additional research from Mohammad Ahmad. David Waters is our executive producer.

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<v Speaker 1>Field production by Tnito Romani and Pallas Shaw, Sound design,

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<v Speaker 1>mixing and by Nicholas Alexander. Our score was written, performed

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<v Speaker 1>and recorded by Jeff Parker. Music supervision by Nicholas Alexander

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