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Speaker 1: I ghosted I los nandas Pe. Hey boo, it's me

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Speaker 1: Ross and welcome to Ghosted by ros Hernandez, the podcast

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Speaker 1: where I talk to people that I like about the paranormal. Okay,

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Speaker 1: John Gabris is back. And the last time John Gabris

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Speaker 1: was on, Wow, he made me laugh so hard, and

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Speaker 1: this week we certainly do laugh. We have sort of

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Speaker 1: don't know, we just we start having we started getting

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Speaker 1: It's a fun different kind of conversation. My allergies are horrible,

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Speaker 1: so I am sniff sniff sniffling through this episode. I

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Speaker 1: just got off a gay cruise and I've been traveling

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Speaker 1: I'm working so hard on trying to find some more

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Speaker 1: dates to go back out on the road because I

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Speaker 1: miss seeing you people, so you know, just stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: I guess the only show I have right now coming

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Speaker 1: up is a comedy show on Sinco de Mayo in LA.

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Speaker 1: For the Netflix is a joke festival at the Troop a'door.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if you just type in those words like

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Speaker 1: true but door, Netflix was Hernandez, you'll find the ticket link.

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Speaker 1: And I I want to get to work on some

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Speaker 1: ghost hunting videos for my YouTube, The Haunted Doll. I know.

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Speaker 1: I've been working super hard on a writing project that

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Speaker 1: I am just wrapping up, and I will get to

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Speaker 1: ghost videos and traveling to do comedy. Those are my

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Speaker 1: goals right now. Okay, before we get to John Gabris,

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Speaker 1: let me read you a ghost story. This one comes

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Speaker 1: from Alison. Alison writes, I taught at a haunted elementary

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Speaker 1: had emf meters a dowsing rod in catballs. There's one

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Speaker 1: most kids want to investigate that place. Some girls wanted

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Speaker 1: I kept hearing in my mind was Emily, So I said,

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Speaker 1: it Emily? And it crossed again. I asked another name

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Speaker 1: Allison for? Said that. All right, let's get to my

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Speaker 1: conversation with John Gabriis and with the show Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it. We are joined once again by

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Speaker 1: John gabris Hi.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm so excited to be back.

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Speaker 1: The last time you were on it got crazy.

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking of a cheeked up gorilla toy for

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Speaker 2: the law. The fact that I do hundreds of podcasts

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Speaker 2: and they go in in one ear and out the other,

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Speaker 2: not forgotten that cheeked up gorilla since I came here.

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Speaker 1: That and I do recall you talking about a Ouiji

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Speaker 1: board and yeah, things got crazy because we found this

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I I'm always curious about ghosts and

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Speaker 2: the paranormal, and I learned that there's whole other facets

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're welcome my.

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Speaker 2: Haunted butt plug that's out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm positive it's absolutely out there.

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Speaker 2: Anyone will want to buy a butt plug that was

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Speaker 2: in someone's butt when they died? Is that the version?

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Speaker 2: Do you have to, like like a real estate agent,

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Speaker 2: do you have to say, like this butt plug was

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Speaker 1: That's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Theglug.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's got a butt That's one.

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Speaker 2: Thing something we all have in common. And I feel

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Speaker 2: like it's time we unified behind.

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Speaker 1: We should all be unified by butt plugs.

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Speaker 2: Literally and figuratively, like chain wallet that links us all up.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've seen nobody run.

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Speaker 1: I have seen situations where people where they have like

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Speaker 2: I've seen that.

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Speaker 1: Ros.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you may have seen more than me

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Speaker 1: I just got home from a gay cruise.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm going on a super straight cruise

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Speaker 1: This is very different.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I can't believe a cruise would ever be

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Speaker 1: There's nothing gayer. The five thousand men, me and Audrey

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Speaker 1: McDonald on a boat, that's what this was.

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Speaker 2: Was it a comedy cruise or was it just no,

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Speaker 1: A gay cruise and they had comedy on it. Hell yeah,

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Speaker 2: Is there like one bachelorette party there that ruins it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a whole other level for sure.

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Speaker 2: I'm just here with my wife. It was the weekend

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Speaker 2: we were available.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because it's only like gay men. Really, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there's cruises where there's like a gay section and

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Speaker 2: Okay, segregated cruisifers you're a downstairs with jack and steerage.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's not this. This is gay people everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thank fucking god.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious your take on different things,

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Speaker 1: So maybe let's start this off.

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Speaker 2: What better place to share takes that are uninformed and

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Speaker 1: So let's go and this will live forever.

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Speaker 2: Let's fucking ghost it.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. Well, yeah, we'll see. What do you

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Speaker 1: think of horoscopes? Are you a horoscope person?

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Speaker 2: I'm not exactly horoscope person, but I am attracted to

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Speaker 1: You have to learn your big three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm a sag rising Aquarius sun Leo

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Speaker 2: I only know that I have my birth chart that

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Speaker 2: So cause I'm telling you, chicks be asking, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: That was it? Someone you were attracted too.

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Speaker 2: Listen up, sweetheart. Can you believe Jill's back with the

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you don't necessarily believe or like you don't.

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Speaker 4: It every Joe Rogan does it, and I do anything

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Speaker 2: an astrologer, Okay, you know what I mean. People are

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Speaker 2: another thing you learn you pick up when you're a listener.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Now, those people, the haters, they those are not

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Speaker 2: Banks, sept and rings, these are hand tattoos. These are

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a magician and thought, okay, that

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I see an athlete and I go like that

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Speaker 2: might have been magic. How do you jump that high?

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Speaker 2: How do you like vault that poll like that? Like

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Speaker 2: there's just some stuff that is like if you just

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Speaker 2: that to a gay man, they blow their heads off.

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Speaker 1: They take two big stones, smash their head, Rip me bonk.

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Speaker 2: Then if someone puts a curse on me, sons magic

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Speaker 2: No, a different Costner baseball movie. Oh that one is

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Speaker 2: Field of Dreams.

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Speaker 2: But they go like, we're women's underwear inside out and

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Speaker 1: Right, that's fascinating to see. I meet a lot of

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Speaker 2: You should double checked, you know, because they might just

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Speaker 1: I just like it's so hard to having a bas

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Speaker 1: I hate those people that are like comedians or whatever

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Speaker 2: I write from eleven to two.

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Speaker 1: Are you funny?

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Speaker 2: Though? Like, oh you are? Did you make and you're rich?

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Speaker 1: Like Best in Show, I was just rewatching Best in Show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, rust in Peace, Catherine O'Hara. But there's a

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Speaker 2: You have a pre show ritual that's like that's like

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Speaker 2: real or definitely everything could be all that. Now this

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00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: group of criminals has this excuse too of like that's

439
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: not me and that photo, yeah, that's AI. And now

440
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: we've been primed with these conspiracies for a while that

441
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: now this shit lands in front of us and is

442
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 2: real and we're like, it can't be real. It's just

443
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: like a kid's you know. It's like if you met

444
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: fucking Puff the Magic Dragon, you'd be like, you're the

445
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: guy from the song, You're not real. It's like, but

446
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: a dragon is standing in front of you, you.

447
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: Know, right, I know, the AI really has thrown a

448
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: wrench into what's real and what's not. And especially with

449
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: like ghosts at Bigfoot Bitch UFO video, I will never

450
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: be able to just see a video anymore and be like, Okay,

451
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: I think that's real.

452
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: Like we already had to do so much sniffing out

453
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: back in the day, like you know, when we were

454
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: younger and we got into this stuff and you'd be

455
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: like this is Faces of Death and you're like this

456
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: doesn't feel real, or like this is a UFO footage.

457
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: You're like is this real? Because this could be faked?

458
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: And now anything can be faked, and like I think

459
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: none of us having a shared idea of what reality

460
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: is is. I think it's gonna be bad. It's it's

461
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: objectively bad for society. But I think it's gonna come

462
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: to a real head when none of us can even

463
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: agree on forget, agree on politics, or agree on X,

464
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: or agree on why we can't even agree on what

465
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: is real and what isn't? I know, that's a terrifying

466
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: place to be in. Like people can just choose to

467
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: truly believe whatever they want, and they will get all

468
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: the confirmation bias they want, depending on what pocket of

469
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: the Internet that they're siloed in.

470
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: And that's terrifying, so scary.

471
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: To answer your original question, fun conspiracies, I love it.

472
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 2: Marilyn Manson got his.

473
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: Dick. Yeah, that was a big playground one in the nineties.

474
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 2: Like I'm familiar with that one, big.

475
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were some of the fun nineties ones that

476
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: you would hear about? Also that he was he.

477
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 2: Was Paul from The Wonder from Yes, Rod Stewart had

478
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 2: a stomach pumped because he had too much come in

479
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 2: it and and the Gerbil and the Gerbil was Richard gear.

480
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: Now two things I've learned as I've gotten older that

481
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: shed more light on those two fun conspiracies is the

482
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 2: Rod Stewart one was from a manager that he fired.

483
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: Uh and then and the manager vindictively told people that, well,

484
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, Rod had to have a stomach pump.

485
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: How do you come up with that? Of all the things.

486
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: You seem like the manager might have known someone or

487
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: had it happened to himself. That's Look, i haven't suck

488
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: many digs in my life, but I've never I've never

489
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: had enough of anything in my life done anything in

490
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 2: my stomach pump. No less, that's a lot of labor

491
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: to get unless you bought a Mason Jar comp Why

492
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: did I say this sentence out loud? That's the instinct

493
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: where your mouth moves fast than your brain. And I'm like,

494
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: what are you saying? You're talking to.

495
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: Well, you would have to have a large quantity, yes.

496
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: And then the Richard Gear thing, A lot of people

497
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: believe it was started by the Chinese government because he

498
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: was so pro Tibet and it like killed his career

499
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: at the time, and they were doing everything to attach,

500
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: you know, to use like gay panic and homophobia stuff

501
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: on Richard Gear who already like husbands were ready to

502
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: believe he's gay because their wives are like Richard gear

503
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: so like he's gay, right. I remember my dad saying

504
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: that about like anyone growing up that My mom was

505
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: like Rod Stewart is beautiful. My dad's like he's.

506
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: Gay like that.

507
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: I don't think he is. I have a feeling it's

508
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: way more pussy than Yeah, that doesn't mean you're not gay,

509
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: but that's I think I think we can guess. Yeah,

510
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: just because guys were pretty back in the day.

511
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: I think that the gurbil thing just period. I think

512
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: that's like kind of a conspiracy theory, like anyone putting

513
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: a gerbil up their butt. I don't think that that's real.

514
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that that's one of those things

515
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: that like when you're younger and you hear about like

516
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: a Cleveland steamer or something, it's like.

517
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: Now that's real, trust me, that's real.

518
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: The cruise. It was a steamship, let's just say, nowhere

519
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: near Cleveland. But you get my feelings.

520
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that there have been Cleveland steamers unintentionally.

521
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm sure we've and I'm sure we've had

522
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: some accidental gerbil situations. You know.

523
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: I want to reclaim conspiracy theories as something that we

524
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: could just like, I don't know, it is fun, Like

525
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: I mean there is a thin line with like sometimes

526
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: gossip and conspiracy like the celebrity ones or whatever. But

527
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

528
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: But no one's like wearing a bomb vest and going

529
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: to Richard gears house because he maybe had a gerbil

530
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: up his ass. You know, like there's no sniper ready

531
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: to shoot Rod Stewart in the head or something like that.

532
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: It's it's these people who like live and breathe inside

533
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: these like bad actors, not talking about like people who

534
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: are in movie and TV shows, but people make awful

535
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: choices that kind of retroactively ruin being able to enjoy.

536
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: Conspiracies used to be the place for like this is

537
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: what we just talk about when we get fucked up,

538
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: or like I go to this weird read it and

539
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: read it, and now it's just like, you know, I'm

540
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: not gonna be the first person to say this, but

541
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: like the president is like they're eating dogs and cats, Ryan, dude,

542
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: I know.

543
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: Well, And I think at the end of the day,

544
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: what all of this has in common with ghosts and

545
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: UFOs forever is this idea of what is real like,

546
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: we really don't know what is real, and I think

547
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: it's fun to not know what's real sometimes, like the mystery.

548
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: I wish we all could just sit down and put

549
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: our hands in and go like, hey, let's make a promise.

550
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: We don't exactly know what's real and what's not right.

551
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: But everyone is the arbiter of true. Everyone is there

552
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: like arbiter of truth, not just for themselves. So many

553
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: people will layer on. Sorry, Roz, that's wrong, Sorry Roz,

554
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: that's that's stupid. Your belief system is incorrect. My belief

555
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: system is correct. That's why I stand in this non

556
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: binary situation where I'm like, I'm like, maybe your belief

557
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: systems correct, maybe mine's wrong, maybe yours wrong, maybe mine's

558
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: But I would say most of us are just like

559
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: sort of correct some of the time. Yeah, And is

560
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: that like enough?

561
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a bad batting average or whatever to

562
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: sometimes be maybe onto something.

563
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: Do you think there are people who are like I

564
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: can't believe you believe in ghosts. That's insane, that's stupid. Now,

565
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: don't get vaccinated, because that's how they put a microchip

566
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: inside you and control you. Like, there are people who

567
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: have that exact belief system of like, yeah, there's no

568
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: such thing as aliens. Come on, Bill Gates is a clone,

569
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: you know, And you're like, wait, okay, okay, well, like

570
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: if you can believe this, can't you believe everything else?

571
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

572
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I think that a lot of times what

573
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: it comes down to for people is the evidence that

574
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: they've seen, which you know, I don't blame people. It's

575
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: like if you can't if you haven't seen a ghost,

576
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: or nobody that you trust has ever told you a

577
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: ghost story or right, but then yeah, I can see

578
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: why you would be like, that's ridiculous.

579
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: I've never seen a ghost. I've had some experiences that

580
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: maybe could be contributed to like paranormal, but could also

581
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: be I can't tell if I'm dreaming or asleep, or

582
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: a trick of the light or residual hallucinogenic effects of

583
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: some other event or something like that. But I'm not

584
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: comfortable saying they're unreal too, you know what I mean? Right,

585
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: I want like I want to leave the door ajar

586
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: for some unexplainable shit in our world.

587
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yeah? What do you

588
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: think of like a synchronicity or deja vu, or like

589
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: these things where you're like, wait, I feel like this

590
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: this was meant to be? Or any are you someone

591
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: that reads into that or just.

592
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked me that because I was just

593
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: about to go into something because I'm obsessed with what

594
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: is the power of the human brain, Like it's way

595
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: more powerful than like we've ever known, you know what

596
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean? And if you fucked with like hallucinogens in

597
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: any capacity, you know that you can see things that

598
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: aren't there that could feel super real. You can experience

599
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: things that you don't understand, you can't explain if the

600
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: brain is capable to do that when you get you know,

601
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: like Phineas Gage, like the dude who God like a

602
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: rail in his head, a rail spike in his head

603
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: and moved, or the people who like go into a

604
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: coma and when they come out after brain surgery like

605
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: speak German fluently that. So I just think the brain

606
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: is such a complex organ that it's capable of so

607
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: much more than we can understand. So is deja vu

608
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: a glitch in the matrix? Is it some alternate reality,

609
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: past life situation? Is it just a reoccurrence of something

610
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: so similar that it feels like that. And even if

611
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: it is a trick of the brain, is the brain

612
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: trying to tell us something is is it like actionable information.

613
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about this, But in

614
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: college a friend of mine who used to get one

615
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: of my roommates shout out skills used to get deja

616
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: vous all the time, and he would get he would

617
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: be able to get ahead of it and go like,

618
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: oh shit, I'm having deja vu. Kid on a bike,

619
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: red car, and the kid on a bike would like

620
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: turn a corner and then a red car would like

621
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: pull back out of a house over there. What Like

622
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: he would be able to predict it because he was like,

623
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've had this image before. Now I

624
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: don't know what I have, like goosebumps.

625
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you witnessed those.

626
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: I witnessed him say this, And to me like, maybe

627
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: there was some uh, extra sensory perception of like he

628
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: was picking up on because some people are super skilled

629
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: at then he was being able to pick up on

630
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: stuff that we didn't see just yet, or it was

631
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: truly a psychic moment, or it was something like a

632
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: trick of the brain, like that was right this one time,

633
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: or something like that, Like, that's so I'm so able

634
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: to explain in a way, but I'm not able to

635
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: explain it.

636
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: But see, this is one of these things where I'll

637
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: see a video on the street of some guy that's

638
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: a mentalist or whatever, and he'll be like, tell me

639
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: your favorite childhood candy or whatever, and then he writes

640
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: it down at a piece of paper and then he

641
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: somehow finds it and then WHOA, I got it exactly right, bitch,

642
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: How did you just do that?

643
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that's we're circling magic territory there too,

644
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: of like there's an illusion going on. There's like you're

645
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: playing high probability games, right of like I can eyeball

646
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: by this person's age. They're not going to say cliff

647
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: bar you know what I mean? Like right, I'm curious

648
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: about a lot of that because I'm intrigued by that

649
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: as someone who like considers himself a little bit of

650
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: like a people understander, because I've spent a majority of

651
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: my life just talking to people or engaging with new

652
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: people all the time, and I really love the idea

653
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: of like knowing people and being able to make hypotheses

654
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: about people and be correct and stuff like that, and

655
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: the idea that a mentalist just takes that to the

656
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: nth degree.

657
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: You don't know me, Is that what a psychic is doing?

658
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that what a psychic is doing? Yeah? And

659
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: get I guarantee much like the mentalists, much like the psychic,

660
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: much like a hypnotist. There are probably a handful of

661
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: people in those like communities who are doing it the

662
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: way where to understand it, like the magic way. And

663
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: I'll just keep using the word magic as like an

664
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: umbrella term for like unexplained phenomena. But I do have

665
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: a feeling that a majority of them are playing the

666
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: odds have gotten really good at these game, you know

667
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: what I mean? Where it's like like not to keep

668
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 2: comparing it to physical stuff, but if you watch someone

669
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 2: hit like one hundred foul shots in a row, you'd

670
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: be like, is that magic? Or is that someone who's

671
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: so good at one thing and has practiced it like

672
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: crazy like? And but that excites me because therein comes

673
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: my thesis again, Is it not magic if you just

674
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: get to know people so well that you could read

675
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: them and go Your favorite candy was yellow Starburst. No

676
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: one's favorite candy was yellow starbars. Ex I was a

677
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: yellow star burst of my family.

678
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: That's still a skill that you're saying.

679
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: Is that How is that not magic? You know, like

680
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: back in the day, like you'd get burned at the

681
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: steak for being like I think it's gonna rain and

682
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: it's like and it's like she knows magic. It's like

683
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: or was she picking up on the barometric differences and pressure?

684
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: That's what a meteorologist is then right?

685
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: Burn them all?

686
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, al roker, we're not to do you think of

687
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: demons or dark energy or like some kind of non

688
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: human evil? Like do you believe beyond just people being assholes?

689
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: There's some type of force in the world.

690
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: Hard not to write, hard not to like. If all

691
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: the other things that we talked about are possible, then

692
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: negative versions of all them are possible, like a mentalist

693
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: who can trick you into doing something awful rather than

694
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: just guess your Starbucks order.

695
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: Right. I am so afraid of getting hypnotized by accident

696
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: by someone like I wonder if that happens. I wonder

697
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: if it's ever happen. Here's something to keep you up

698
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: at night. Have you ever been hypnotized? And you don't

699
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: even realize that because.

700
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: They said, and now you forget all this. Yes, yeah, dude,

701
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm not cool with like that. Shit scares me a little.

702
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: I don't think I would ever want to be hypnotized,

703
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't be fun for the show, the performance

704
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: of it, because I'd be fighting it the whole time.

705
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: Then if it worked on me after it was over,

706
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'm pissed.

707
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: Oh I'd be feary.

708
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: You just not.

709
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: Everyone just laughed as I acted like a chicken. Yeah,

710
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: oh that's funny to you.

711
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: Right. It's like if I was if I was on

712
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: drugs doing a chicken at a party and everyone was

713
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: laughing at me, you'd feel bad for me. You'd be like,

714
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: oh man, we got to get them cleaned up.

715
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: But like, if people had the ability to do something

716
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: like that, then why wouldn't they have the ability to

717
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: make you sleep with them, or like I can kill.

718
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: Someone, may kill someone, make you make a terrible choice that.

719
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: You know said, this is not a bad defense. I was.

720
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: I was hypnotized. Sorry. Yeah, if I'm ever gonna kill

721
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: someone hypothetically allegedly, I'm gonna go like the whole time,

722
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: and then that way I have defense of anyone witnesses

723
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: like he was cloking like a chicken. I'm like that

724
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: damn hypnotist Terry the Terrific or whatever his name is. Well,

725
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: where do you stand on that? Because I feel like

726
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: evil energy and demons, like what you're saying gets us

727
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: into kind of religious territory and like and maybe just

728
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: traditionally that's where you heard it the most, or like

729
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: Judeo Christian religions and stuff. But I wonder again, is

730
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: astrology and Christianity? Well it is because it's all just

731
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: like we look up at the sky and I see God.

732
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: You see the path of the sun and how it

733
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: is compared to Leo's son. I see Allah, I see

734
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: this person, I see so and so. Yeah, I see birds,

735
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: and I worship birds, you know what I mean. I

736
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: see the equinox, and that's our pagan ritual. Like what

737
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: it We're all coming from the same oat, Like we're

738
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: all from originally the same area, right, We're all from

739
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: this fertile crescent, Mesopotavia or whatever. We all started somewhere together.

740
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: And there's no coincidence that Hanukah, Ramadan and Christmas are

741
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: all so close to the vernal e equinox. It's like

742
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: these are just splitting off the holiday. It's like, oh, Jesus'

743
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: birthday is December twenty fifth, he was born on December

744
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: twenty fifth, but every year around December twenty first is

745
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: the longest night of the year. Something that would be

746
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: easier to clock pre calendar. Come on, now, you know

747
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: we're on fucking pagans. We're all old school.

748
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: They believe in evil, right, you know, like almost every

749
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: I think religion believe even than good and evil and right.

750
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: And we see good and evil acted out on the

751
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: daily right, Like unfortunately, we're so plugged into all the

752
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: news that's going on. We see good and evil every

753
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: single day. And are you making that choice? Is it circumstantial?

754
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 2: Is it beyond your control because of an evil being?

755
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like is if evil energy

756
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: if you put out evil energy and it's not from

757
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: a demon, it's not from a dark force, but you

758
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: put out evil energy that then instills evil energy in

759
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: other people. Are we not just doing the act of

760
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: the devil like that? Are we not being demonic at

761
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: that point? Like?

762
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, are you transferring a thing that you

763
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: can't see?

764
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: But I believe in that stuff? Because like not to

765
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: be the guy who is in his middle age, lives

766
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: in California and does drugs. But vibes, Man, Like, all

767
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: of this shit we're talking about is weirdly under the

768
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 2: umbrella of vibe vibe right where it's like someone gives

769
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: you good vibes, and sometimes people give you bad vibes. Yeah,

770
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 2: sometimes you're wrong about them, but most of the time

771
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: you're right. Right. When you get bad vibes from someone,

772
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: eventually someone's like, oh, thank god they left. You know,

773
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: he's a fuck. Notice I say, if you get bad

774
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: vibes someone, usually you follow it the pronoun. Yeah, they

775
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: are a pain in the ass, I know, not in

776
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: the same way as he was. Yeah, And like someone

777
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: has bad vibes, is that evil energy? Is that a

778
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: defense system built into our body to pick up? Like

779
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: is it their horoscope versus your horoscope? Is it more scientific?

780
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: And it's they're emitting some sort of frequency that doesn't

781
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: vibe with your frequency. Now, I have an old hippie

782
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: therapist and he's he talks a lot about like that's

783
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: a low vibrational human. So, like, all of this stuff

784
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: is kind of all the different ways of explaining the

785
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: same shit, right, Like he was possessed by the devil.

786
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: He was low vibrations. He uh insert whatever, Like you

787
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 2: can have a ghost possessed him, hypnotist got him.

788
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: He cold plunged.

789
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: He was a cold plunger. He needed to die. He

790
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: deserved to die.

791
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: Uh what do you think about? Well, wait, I want

792
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: to go back to hallucinogen. So you've done a bunch, yes,

793
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: And when you have these experiences, do you go Okay,

794
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: it's just drugs or do you go okay? Maybe Like

795
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing right now is always there, but I'm

796
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: only the drugs is what's making me be able to

797
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: see it?

798
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: Like how do you I wonder that? Or I also say,

799
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: like another version of that is why is the plant

800
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: showing me this? Too? Like why am I supposed to?

801
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 2: Am I supposed to gain something from? Am I supposed

802
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: to gather something from? And so that's another thing that

803
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm that's going through my mind in these

804
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: situations too. I'm able to like I don't believe that,

805
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: Like I'm seeing the machine elves that keep the word

806
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: old moving that are somehow not visible to other people

807
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: or whatever. I haven't done the big ones like d

808
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: MT or Eyebo gain or anything like that.

809
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: Ibogain gain. I forget that's.

810
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: The one that they used to like, Uh, it's like

811
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: the poison frogs us venom or whatever, and I think

812
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: that's what they use to like kick people off opioid

813
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: addictions and shit like that.

814
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Have you done ayahuasca?

815
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: No? I haven't done that one either. No, I'm very curious.

816
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm in a yes phase of my life. It is

817
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: funny to be forty four and being like, I'm gonna

818
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: start doing more drugs.

819
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: Yeah I am, but why not?

820
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna eventually I'll come back on in a

821
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: year and I'll have done all these previous drugs.

822
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: Come back on the drugs.

823
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: Let's do it for an episode. I'm still a remote

824
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: episode where we do fucking ayahuasca.

825
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: You're just king and everywhere, and.

826
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: People would be like, this is no different than when

827
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: Gabris goes on normally.

828
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm literally, so what do you think of Ouiji boards.

829
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: And where do you stand on oven mits? Huh? Yeah?

830
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: So I wonder with hallucinogens, and then you wonder if

831
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: your brain is capable of that, like is it capable

832
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: of showing you making you think you saw your grandma's spirit,

833
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: or making you think you saw an orb or something

834
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: shoot through the sky, Like if our brain can do

835
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: that on drugs, can it do it? Not on drugs?

836
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 2: And it's like and all we need is to ingest

837
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: this piece of like fungus, and all of a sudden

838
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 2: we get to see stuff that we that isn't real.

839
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: Like that's that's really interesting and exciting to me.

840
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and sometimes I think about that with like

841
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: a haunted place where it's like, you know some old

842
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds ass place there's you know, asbestos. Could it

843
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: be a gas that's coming off of black.

844
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: Mold inside of the stuff, or like this no one's

845
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: been around wood that's three hundred years old like that,

846
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like could anything, could anything

847
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: else be affecting you?

848
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's making you have a specific because you know

849
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: that the woman and from that painting died in this room.

850
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: So is that why your everyone sees that woman? They think?

851
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also wonder about that stuff too, because I

852
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of these haunted experiences or were

853
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 2: kind of set up for them too in a way

854
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: where you're like and don't forget, to forget if Granny

855
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: spends nights knitting in this chair. And then you're like,

856
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: I saw her right, And because because I would say,

857
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: like with alien abduction stories, they're either all very similar

858
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: because that's exactly what happens, or it's because when you've

859
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: heard one, even if you are hallucinating it, dreaming it

860
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: has has hearing about it not made you think about it?

861
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, Okay, like am

862
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: I am? I? Like, oh my god, I had an

863
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: alien abduction. It's weirdly coincidentally, just like all the stories

864
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: I heard of other alien abductions correct, and you like

865
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: and you go like, oh, was I primed to believe

866
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: that because of hearing all the stories out there? Or

867
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: are all the stories the same because that's what happens.

868
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: Well, what hallucinogens have you done?

869
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: I've done acid and mostly mushrooms, but done acid a

870
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: few times, and I've had some trips on mushrooms that

871
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, these are visuals that I've seen before in like.

872
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: Art or and there's somewhere in your brain, there's.

873
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: Somewhere in my brain. Or did the person who made

874
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: David the Gnome also do mushrooms? You know what I mean?

875
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: Because one time I had like a mushroom trip where

876
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: I was like laying on the ground and I could

877
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: see like a world that was living just below like

878
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: the surface, and it was like, you know, like a

879
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: mole with like a shovel and like a little frog

880
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: who had like a knife on his belt and was like,

881
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: you know, it was like all these like little animals,

882
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: the subterraneum. He turbils crawling in and out of my

883
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: ass two way street. Excuse me a part of me,

884
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: I'm going in now, I'm on my way out, all right.

885
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: Not as God, they're like hard hats, like they're like

886
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: coal miners coming out covered in shit, like Chernobyl. But

887
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: I was experiencing this and I'm like, oh, this is

888
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: like kids books David Denome, Richard Scary and all this stuff.

889
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: And I'm like, were these were those people on mushrooms?

890
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: And this is like cause you. The other thing that

891
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: really excites me is a lot of people talk about

892
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: seeing some of the same stuff when they.

893
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: Do recurring characters that are like what is that now?

894
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: Is that in your brain?

895
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: Or yeah, did you are you primed? Because you heard

896
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: about the machine elves on DMT And then when you

897
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: do DMT you're hoping to see them? Or is that

898
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: something that this compound wants to show you? Is it

899
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: something that that's is that close in our brain? Is

900
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: it an ancient memory of our species that we all

901
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: share in some weird collective stuff. Amen, who knows?

902
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: I know that's fun.

903
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: I love that, like the whole time. I'm like, well,

904
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: my logic brain versus my fantasy brain. Then cut to

905
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: me like ten minutes later in the interview. So the

906
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: machine man they make everything go round, you gotta meet a.

907
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: What's the machine elves? I don't know this.

908
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 2: I've heard a few different DMT stories that you will

909
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: see like tiny creatures that are kind of operating the world.

910
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: Okay, And I.

911
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: Don't fully understand that. Weirdly enough, I watched that DMT documentary,

912
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: I mean a long time ago. It came out like

913
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: twenty years ago, fifteen years ago, whatever. But it's narrated

914
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: by Joe Rogan pre becoming a full controversial figure. But

915
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: multiple people describe a similar trip of like being at

916
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: the end of the universe and seeing the start of

917
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: another universe, of like similar to ours, like the parallel

918
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: universe theory of like I'm at the end of it,

919
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: and I'm looking out at another universe that's starting. But

920
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: then also like sorry, while we're on the topic, people

921
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: who have sleep paralysis, A lot of them describe like

922
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: a very similar kind of situation. Yes, now, what is

923
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: that is that I'm having sleep paralysis? It's a sleep

924
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: demon like Ross told me about on our podcast, or

925
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: is it like this is what we experience when we

926
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: have sleep paralysis? And have you heard people talk about

927
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: the hat Man man?

928
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: The Old Hag is another one.

929
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 2: Right, It's like slender Man? Like, how how do these

930
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: things enter our history? How did how did Bigfoot enter

931
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: our history? Did someone see one one day a cryptid

932
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: like that and we just kind of let it ride

933
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: and we never saw him again? And everyone's been hoaxing?

934
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: Or are they straight up hidden? Or some people will

935
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: make the case that they are parallel dimensional beasts and

936
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: like we're only seeing them when they're briefly in our world. Right,

937
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: the dog Man, Like that's another one from the cryptid community. Right,

938
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: that stuff interests me too, Like all of this stuff

939
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: interests me. I just don't know what I believe in personally,

940
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: and I don't think I have to decide today. No,

941
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: open to, Like I'm hoping cryptids are real. I think

942
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: it would make for a much more interesting world, and

943
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: I look forward to fighting or you know, sasquatch's rights

944
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: to marry or something like that. Like I can't wait

945
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: till they're like that role in the society that we're

946
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: Like my neighbor's a sasquatch and I love them, you know,

947
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: like I just want that.

948
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing that I always say is, if we

949
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: figure out all these things, I'm out of business. It's

950
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: no longer a fun mystery thing. It's now. Yeah, my

951
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: neighbor's a sasquatch and he deserves to use the same

952
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: restroom as me.

953
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, in all species restroom. I wonder like think about it,

954
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: like one hundred years ago, two hundred years ago, what

955
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: couldn't be explained could now be explained, you know, like, oh,

956
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: this is actually how photosynthesis works, or like we learned

957
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: how this works, we learned how bats can be blind

958
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: and still fly, and then this is the kind of

959
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 2: like one of the big woes in my life right

960
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: now is what will we know in one hundred years

961
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: and two hundred years that we don't know now that

962
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: can be explained? Well, they'd be like, dude, we sorted it.

963
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: It's blank. It's like there are aliens and they do

964
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: have been abducted. There are ghosts and it's our ancient

965
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: and like here's how you can explain it. And this

966
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: is why they come in as orbs because the energy

967
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: like will that happen to us? And then that's exciting

968
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: to me. The part that makes me sad is I

969
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: don't like we are not focusing on science or research,

970
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: Like everyone's like an influencer or an ai artist now

971
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: and it's like we're not gonna sort this out, Like

972
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: our brightest minds are just going into making our phones

973
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: more addictive. Sixty years ago you might be like I'm

974
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: gonna work at NASA or I'm gonna cure cancer, and

975
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: now everyone's like I'm gonna make phones one percent faster

976
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: and become a billionaire off of it. It's like and

977
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: that shit breaks my heart, Like I wish there were

978
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: more people like and I'm sure there are, We're just

979
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: they're not getting the same amount of air. But like

980
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: Terrence McKenna or you know, Carl Sagan or these like psychonauts,

981
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: the people who like we're tripping Dennis Leary tripping balls,

982
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: No Dennis antivity, Hilary. I'm doing rescue me and I'm

983
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 2: learning how brains work. Timothy Larry, like the acid guy,

984
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: like doing all this stuff and like learning more about

985
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: like what the is capable in the human brain and

986
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: all that. People you make these jokes about like they

987
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: were just studying rats sixty nine ing or whatever, and

988
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: you're like, if that gives us a little modicum information,

989
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: that's a fucking snowball effect.

990
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: You know.

991
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 2: Like one of my good friends, uh we call them

992
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: the monkey Man because he had a doctorate in primatology

993
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: and his main focus of study was studying color blindness

994
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: in monkeys in South America, and he one day just

995
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 2: broke down for me, like what that research could extrapolate

996
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: out to He's like, well, once we know how color

997
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: blindness works, like genetically, we learned how the genes work,

998
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, that could give us information about this.

999
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: We could be curing color blindness. We could be learning

1000
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: like all this stuff. And I was just like, oh, all,

1001
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 2: because you're you're out there doing like red card, green

1002
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: card with like a reciss monkey or whatever, and like

1003
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: to me that like really intrigued me that you can

1004
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: focus so much on one little thing that could maybe

1005
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: answer questions about all that other stuff. And like back

1006
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: in the day, like the pencil was invented because of

1007
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: NASA because they were like, pens don't work in zero gravity.

1008
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: It's like, well, we need something that doesn't have like

1009
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: floating ink inside of it. And it's like that was

1010
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: a great invent Like like we would learn other things

1011
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: in the pursuit of just knowledge in one direction, you

1012
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: know what I mean, just getting all the brightest minds

1013
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: in one room working towards one goal. Used to be

1014
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: like how can we get a man to space? And

1015
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: now it's like how can we increase shareholder value?

1016
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: It's like, but there still are people that are doing

1017
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: those studies.

1018
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: Yes, and despite like why would anyone who graduates college now,

1019
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: like or graduate high school want to become a doctor,

1020
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 2: a teacher, a nurse, you know what I mean? Like

1021
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: like and so like now everyone wants to be on

1022
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: YouTube or these quick fixes because money is so money

1023
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: is so required for survival in our culture that like

1024
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: like if your kid wanted to be a teacher, you'd

1025
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: be like, I don't know, Like that used to be like,

1026
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: I believe it's one of the more noble professions a

1027
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: person can have, dedicating their life to educating your children.

1028
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: But now it's like they don't make enough money to live.

1029
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: You have content with your teacher, right.

1030
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta be like, it's me day six of

1031
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: wearing the same MAXI skirt as a teacher to see

1032
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: if I get a reaction from my kids. And then

1033
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: it's like a weird angle of them with their phone

1034
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 2: on the desk. I'm like, just teach the fucking class.

1035
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: I know. Well, let's get to a little segment that

1036
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: we do on this podcast where we look at some

1037
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: haunted ebe dolls. It's time for the dolls are living.

1038
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: When I say protect the dolls, this is what I'm

1039
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: referred to. Imagine I'm wearing to protect a dollar shirt

1040
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: on a red carpet. I explained myself.

1041
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: And they're like, in case you didn't know, there's a orangutang.

1042
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's color blind or not, but

1043
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: he does have an ass that loves to just do it. Yeah,

1044
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Very similar one we have this time.

1045
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, let's go right too.

1046
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: This one is going for twenty four to ninety nine.

1047
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 2: Please te oh, absolutely, that's a great deal.

1048
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: Geeha show us gangee all right, gangjee appears to be

1049
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: Is that a beanie baby? I'm not sure, but it's

1050
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: just you know, it's.

1051
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: Something tacky sack adjacent for sure. Yes, it feels like

1052
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: maybe a knockoff flounder from or Nemo.

1053
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: Uh huh. It's a fish. It's green and yellow, very simple,

1054
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: little stuffed animal situation. But of course it comes with

1055
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: a spirit inside of it, and the person selling it

1056
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: here twenty.

1057
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: Four to ninety nine feels like such a I mean,

1058
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: I guess that starts the bidding.

1059
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: It's a bargain. No, that's a buy it now. That's

1060
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: a buy it buy it now for a hunted fish dog. Well,

1061
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: and just wait till you see what comes inside it,

1062
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: says meet gang G like ga n G space gee

1063
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: gang G Yeah gang g no gang Okay. She is

1064
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: very special, sweet at times, yet wild and crazy when

1065
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: she's in the bedroom. She even tastes sweet. When you

1066
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: kiss her lips, you will immediately feel it tingle as

1067
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: if you got burned by the sun. She was super

1068
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: excited about taking these pictures because she knows she will

1069
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: find a new master soon, A beautiful fishy vessel with

1070
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: a rough nature.

1071
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: WHOA is this like a full genre of haunted dolls

1072
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: that are written like a nineteen eighties personal ad exactly

1073
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 2: g When you kiss Gange's lips, you'll feel the tingle

1074
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: of a sun and you're like, what the fuck?

1075
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm she says she comes from a clean home.

1076
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: Her origin is unknown. She is using her supernatural abilities

1077
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: to appear cute and neutral. She's special, very energetic, and

1078
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: is here to serve you. She will change her form

1079
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: and shape to reflect what she feels you are lusting for.

1080
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: To gain sexual activity from you and other worldly spirits,

1081
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: she will.

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00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: Change her shape into a sex fish with big naturals.

1083
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: That's the only way that she gets me. Well, yeah,

1084
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: gang Gee, I didn't know you had double g's there too.

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00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: I guess they're supposed to believe that A there's a

1086
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: ghost inside of her that comes out of the fish

1087
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: and will fuck you.

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: It's a she Hey, you know things are things are

1089
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: drying up twenty four ninety nine. I gotta give it her.

1090
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 2: I gotta roll the dice here. What if this ends

1091
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: with no fems, no fatties?

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00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 1: It does say she prefers a man okay, okay, as

1093
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: she loves the smell of seaweed, sushi, blood, and fruity drinks.

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00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: You will have a vision of her in the jungle waters,

1095
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: eating and mating with these major activities. Don't be surprised

1096
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: if you see or smell flashes of blood dropping dripping

1097
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: down her mouth. She's gonna growl and moan for you.

1098
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: She wants all your.

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00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: By the way, every time Roz you say like three

1100
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: very dirty things. Then I look over to picture Gangie

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00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: and it is like a children's toy with like buck eyes.

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00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: It's neon green and yellow, and it's like she will

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00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: have blood driven out of her mouth, making you come

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00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: to cockroaches and you like look over and it's just

1105
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: the cutest vision. She will turn into all of your

1106
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: devilish delights, a suckubis to drain you, to turn you

1107
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: inside out via coitus. And then it's like gang gesus,

1108
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: look it's me Gang.

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: Well, apparently it says she wants all your fluids.

1110
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,959
Speaker 2: She can have them. She comes from a clean home.

1111
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: But the toy loves its fluids. This thing reeks of fluids.

1112
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: Now I wonder what happened? If you start, if you

1113
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: were tripping balls next to gang Ge knowing this story,

1114
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: what I wonder?

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: I wonder, way to fun. Let's go, gang Gee, let's

1116
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: go baby. I want to know what they did, Like

1117
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: I want to be like, trust me this the ghost

1118
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: made me bust. That's what I need to know. Can

1119
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: you did you bust? Why? Slash?

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Speaker 1: And let's send a message and I'll do a follow

1121
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: up on this. Let's just uh, oh, it's already but

1122
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: she's already been sold. What since I found this? She

1123
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: has been sold? Oh my goodness, but yeah, that is true.

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00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: I would love to I should ask follow up questions

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00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: on those, Uh, how did you?

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00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: How did you come to find out about this? Because

1127
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: That's what I'm really intrigued by. I'm like, if they're

1128
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: just buying a toy, saying I got buy this thing

1129
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: for three bucks, write up a fake backstory for it,

1130
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: and someone with mental illness will buy it and believe it.

1131
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: Mental illness and a credit card, they will buy it

1132
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: and believe it. That's one thing. But I want to

1133
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: ask the follow ups of like how do you know

1134
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: this is a sexual being? I want the fucking I

1135
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: want those nasty deets.

1136
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I would like some proof.

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00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: It says, send a video of you just going like

1138
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: like dan Akrit and Ghostbusters the Ice Crossed.

1139
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: It says you may smell cooked meat or sweet cakes. Okay,

1140
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: because she likes to eat a little before sexual activity

1141
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: for energy, I prefer after. Well, it's probably not a match.

1142
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, Gangee.

1143
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm a post I was here for everything until ew.

1144
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: That's disgusting. Haunted fish doll. Yeah, I can't believe that

1145
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: I'm on your podcast again and we found another haunted

1146
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: horny doll. I can't believe they fucking exist in this

1147
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: much like we are an embarrassment of riches of haunted

1148
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: horny dolls.

1149
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: Oh this was yeah, take your pick. This was just

1150
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: the first one I found, all right? That was the

1151
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: dolls are lipping. It's now time for EVP or ev plicse.

1152
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: This is gonna make anyone believe in ghosts after they

1153
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: hear these.

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01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

1155
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: These two were both posted by someone named Matt Hutter

1156
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: in his home. And tell me what you think. This

1157
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: first ghost is saying, go we hear it one more time.

1158
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: Whoa pearl harbor didn't happen? I feel like he's saying

1159
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor at the beginning, Wait one more time.

1160
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's the thing these conspiracy theorists. Once

1161
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: they're dead, they're gonna be Yeah, WHOA, I'll give you

1162
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: some options. Abc D was it a you're a fuck up?

1163
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: B haha, motherfucker? C Oh that doesn't feel good? Or

1164
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: D Let me guess your name is Caitlin.

1165
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: These are four things you've said to me?

1166
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: All right, what is this coat saying?

1167
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: What was that first one you offered?

1168
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: What was a you're a fuck up?

1169
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: I think it's a second one. That's something something motherfucker.

1170
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what they think. Ha ha, motherfucker. I kind

1171
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: of hear.

1172
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make sense for an EVP to say

1173
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: ha ha, you know what I mean, right, laughing, And

1174
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: then it said motherfucker.

1175
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: That's right. That's like when people are like l O

1176
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: L yeah.

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01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: Like I don't think ghosts are like, okay, we have

1178
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: one chance to we have to project our voices so

1179
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: that the humans can hear it. What do you want

1180
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: to say? Haha? Motherfucker? Yeah I like that. Rip let

1181
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: it rip bro.

1182
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so okay, same place this was

1183
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: in his home? What is this one saying.

1184
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: Crystal clear one more time, gimme more, you liar.

1185
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, it's.

1186
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: Truly like you're I'm going off like imagining what the

1187
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: ghost's mouth might be like moving like because it really

1188
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: there's no consonants or like there's no like hard consonant

1189
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: sounds in there.

1190
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: It's like.

1191
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: I accidentally did it at the same time, and then

1192
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 2: I think I synced up with the ghost because I

1193
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: felt like subscribe five stars.

1194
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: Okay. Do they think it was A.

1195
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm so sorry, B you're a bad boy. C,

1196
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 3: well I'll suck, or D you look like you're at

1197
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 3: least fifty.

1198
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: Another thing four things you've said to me? Ron was

1199
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: the second. What was B You're a bad boy? I

1200
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 2: think it might be a.

1201
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: They think it's well, I'll suck. I think that was

1202
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: just a wishful thing.

1203
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Matt Hunter might have a little more to the

1204
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: story he didn't tell us. I think the ghost said, well,

1205
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: I'll suck a guy ghost. Oh no, he gets sucked

1206
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: off by a ghost and is really concerned. He's so

1207
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: homophobic that he's concerned it was a guy, Like, you're

1208
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 2: the first person who got ghost who cares that you

1209
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: don't no one about that.

1210
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: Dan Ackroyd that he says that that really did happen before.

1211
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: He's he's he's into this stuff, like he's very into

1212
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: parent his family. He studied the paranormal and wrote books

1213
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: about it, and he claims that he had a sexual

1214
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: experience with a ghost and then put it in Ghostbusters.

1215
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I mean, that's I mean, that's the shit

1216
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: you just pray for. You Like, if I'm gonna have

1217
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: a ghost encounter, I hope I'm nutting better.

1218
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: That's one way or another.

1219
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 2: That's me getting fired for my first day of a

1220
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 2: ghost hunting job. WHOA the spectrometers off the charts. I

1221
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: hope I get my dick sucked. Hey man, you can't

1222
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: just keep jumping to that. Ope, it's one of those

1223
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: fallatio ghosts. I'd be saying that if I feel like

1224
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: there's like a when you like think there's someone in

1225
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: like a spirit in your I'd be like, Okay, if

1226
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: you're if someone, if something's here, just put the tip

1227
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: in your mouth, prove your real take just a tip

1228
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: to start.

1229
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this coast is fake.

1230
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: I keep getting in trouble for having my dick. I'm

1231
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: like I was looking for ghosts.

1232
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna take you on a ghost on

1233
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: a text.

1234
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: Hey Gabris, you got pepper sprayed again on this ghost tour.

1235
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: You have to just stay.

1236
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: Oh then the ghosts start accusing you of sexual harassments.

1237
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: I think he's actually a bit of a berve hashtag

1238
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: ghosts do I get me tuned by like a seven

1239
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: hundred year old, like factory workers.

1240
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: When they had no consent back in the day.

1241
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 2: They still get They still think I'm a big I

1242
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: was married at thirteen, and I still think you're.

1243
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: A fucking big all right, John Gabras, Where can we

1244
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: find you? Oh?

1245
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: You can find me, not at a ghost You can

1246
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: find me not at haunted houses anymore. Sorry, Hollywood Harranights,

1247
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: I've been banned again. You can find me online of

1248
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: Matt Gabe everywhere. I have podcasts Action Boys. It's a

1249
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 2: Patreon podcast about movies. And I have a podcast called

1250
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: Staying Alive wherever you get podcasts. It's a health and

1251
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: wellness podcast. I call it my buddy Adam Pally and

1252
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: I also did a thirty episode series in audio series

1253
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 2: called The Gino Lombardo Show and at genodot Gabris dot

1254
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: com you can buy physical media. I made a little

1255
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: cassette tape with a hard drive inside that contains all

1256
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: thirty episodes.

1257
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: Amazing.

1258
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: I'm in my mid forties. I got my DVD shelf out.

1259
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 2: Now I'm back to physical media.

1260
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, drugs and physical media. It's the future.

1261
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: Swipe left on me middle aged comedian with drugs and DVDs.

1262
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: He must be the only one.

1263
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to the hilarious John Gabrius. I

1264
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: love you all, both living and dead. But if I

1265
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: didn't ask you to haunt.

1266
01:07:52,200 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 5: Me, don't haunt me came back. This has been an

1267
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 5: exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience on

1268
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 5: the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes I'll

1269
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 5: even call you, so email me at ghosted by Roz

1270
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 5: at gmail dot com. You can send a DM or

1271
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 5: voice message to the show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz.

1272
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 5: Give us a follow while you're there, and follow me

1273
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 5: Roz on Instagram at Roz Hernandez and on TikTok and

1274
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 5: Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the

1275
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 5: startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.

1276
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 5: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the Eerie

1277
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 5: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.

1278
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: My theme music is by the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.

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01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa, Live photography by the Terrifying

1280
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the Chilling Karen Kilgareff, the

1281
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: Spookky Georgia hart Stark, and the Frightening Danielle Kramer. Listen

1282
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

1283
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.