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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets

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Speaker 1: are on sale now to see me on tour, the

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Speaker 1: Friends of Christmas Tour, that is, I'm doing my whole

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Speaker 1: album have you Heard of Christmas? Plus a lot more

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Speaker 2: See me in a city near you and now Lost

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Speaker 2: Cult drums look mare, oh, I see you, my ow

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Speaker 2: and look over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, Lost culture.

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Speaker 1: Ding dong, Lost Cultureisa's calling tactile as ever I think, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I will say, Matt, kind of webbed hand, feeling very

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Speaker 1: connected to you today and as of late, I'll always

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Speaker 1: but like I'll always, sisterhood is really.

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Speaker 3: Sisterhood is real. I mean, let's just set the tone.

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Speaker 3: Matt just got off a red eye. I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: running on paltry sleep and not that this was like

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Speaker 3: labored for us, but like it's our guests.

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Speaker 1: We have to show up when family that comes through,

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Speaker 1: You show up for family, And I believe that's the

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Speaker 1: Olive Garden slogan for family. When family comes through, When

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Speaker 1: family comes down through rural culture Number twenty seven, When

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Speaker 1: family comes through you do you show up for family?

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Speaker 3: I think, because that is so true, and let's just

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Speaker 3: get right into it, because our guest is someone who

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Speaker 3: figures very, very heavily into the lore.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this last time she was on.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned this in whatever, the most recent big, long

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Speaker 3: extended interview where it was Michael Schulman legend, and he

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Speaker 3: was just talking about like this time in my life

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Speaker 3: and I was like, I think I want to get

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Speaker 3: bad school, but I don't. For The New Yorker for

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Speaker 3: the New Yorker and I was like, Rachel Bloom took

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Speaker 3: me out to a gastro pub outside of USC and

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Speaker 3: told me, maybe you shouldn't do that. Yeah, you should

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Speaker 3: actually do comedy.

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Speaker 1: Because it's what you love. Maybe become the star you've

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Speaker 1: always meant to be. And that's what she said that day.

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Speaker 1: She looked at you, Alis and said you were meant

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Speaker 1: to become the star. Was this before or after we

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Speaker 1: had our iconic piano? This was before.

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Speaker 3: This was while we were still in school, because we

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Speaker 3: went to USC for fracket for the Fracus Improv Festival.

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Speaker 3: And this was the because Rachel kind of planted the

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Speaker 3: seed crystal or you know whatever, the that's not an expression, but.

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Speaker 1: Can I say I'm strung an expression? I'm starting to

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Speaker 1: hate whoa, here we go. This person is mother. It's

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Speaker 1: so dumb. Well, we're like in that moment like it

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Speaker 1: was true. And also it's become true for her in

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Speaker 1: real life. It's become true for her. In real life.

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Speaker 3: She is and her little daughter is writing song parodies

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Speaker 3: apple don't fall far from the tree that she has.

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Speaker 3: There's a song called Spooky Scary Skeletons and now beak

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Speaker 3: on that. Now this little girl literally little girl, little

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Speaker 1: Parody called Poopy Little Skeletons daughter as her father's daughter.

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Speaker 3: Dan Gregor, don't forget the legend. I mean, what is

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Speaker 3: there to say about our guest?

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Speaker 1: She is true?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, were you at Choteen Sunday on Fire

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Speaker 3: in the Pines this summer when they were playing.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, yes, seed generalize abon Man constantly gets

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Speaker 4: play everyone off book on Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, do you know that? No, this is really I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's it's a huge honor, and honestly, you know what

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Speaker 1: else was great about it. I'm sitting there watching it

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Speaker 1: and not for one second that I think, like there,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, that's just an iconic video that should

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Speaker 1: later I was like, that's Rachel. That's Rachel.

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Speaker 3: This is that's an Emmy Golden Globe winning Star of

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Speaker 3: Our Hearts, an American treasure.

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Speaker 1: The best award, though, is the TCA Individual Achievement in Comedy,

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Speaker 1: And I know that. You know that's a really hard

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Speaker 5: Gender.

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Speaker 1: They only give it to one person. It's ungender, they

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Speaker 3: She has a fantastic special coming on of Netflix. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's let me do my special October fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: Please watch, everyone, please welcome Rachel Bom in shades.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so I'm wearing sunglasses because I forgot there was

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Speaker 6: I am wearing very little makeup. At some point I'll

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Speaker 6: people to be impressed, right, because you've had all these famous, fancy,

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Speaker 1: Of my head. You know what's crazy is you were

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Speaker 6: Yeah, ever makes me very, That makes me very. We

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Speaker 6: have so much to get into because, as you recall,

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Speaker 6: we recorded it so last time I was on those cultures,

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Speaker 6: it was seven and a half years ago in the

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Speaker 6: apartment of it.

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Speaker 1: It was a sound engineer's apartment on Atlantic Avenue, another era.

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Speaker 1: Sure was.

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Speaker 6: I got in there. I was hungry. I made him

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Speaker 6: feed me. Yes, oh my god, And which is why

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Speaker 6: I brought my Starbucks egg bites this time, so I

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Speaker 6: wouldn't so I wouldn't make anyone feed me. But I'm

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Speaker 6: laughing because you just talked about the Tcaward, and that's

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Speaker 6: exactly what you talked about seven and a half years ago.

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Speaker 6: You went, so, I the time, I hadn't had the

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Speaker 6: and you're like, a the TCA Award, which is actually

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Speaker 6: my favorite. And you you do like five to ten

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Speaker 6: minutes on why the TCA is the best award in

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Speaker 6: the same almost exact wording of now, and you're still correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know that's probably the one you look

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Speaker 6: Actually just I was cleaning my shelf and it just

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Speaker 6: thank god. But I was like, I need to move

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Speaker 1: Closer to the floor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Rachel comes in and goes, I have notes

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Speaker 3: I was here on the show, and I am gripped

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, it's all great, it's all wonderful. Well wait,

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Speaker 6: first of all, though, wait, sorry, I have a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: turn you out, my daughter. I feel like you'll appreciate this. Please,

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Speaker 6: I'll show you the video. But I feel like I

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So our nanny, who's a Drag Race fan while I've

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Speaker 1: We have to know it takes train, take rain.

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Speaker 6: I got sent this video.

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Speaker 1: Wait, do it in the Okay, I can't here drink

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Speaker 1: and it's failty and already, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I came here to drink juice and spilty, but already, honey,

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Speaker 3: that's winter.

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Speaker 1: Drink and Spilty is the title of.

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Speaker 6: Unbelievable. Was she coached, well, yeah, well nanny nanny.

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Speaker 1: She definitely she doesn't know what she's coach.

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Speaker 6: She's very clearly off. I'll show you after this, like

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Speaker 6: she they very clearly off care of someone's being.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, well she do have nerve, it's but she

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Speaker 1: doesn't want drag Race yet your daughter.

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Speaker 6: When I was breastfeeding, I watched NonStop drag Race.

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Speaker 3: Talk about this idea because I really really think that

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Speaker 3: if I were to have a child, I would be

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Speaker 3: totally in on this. Like you wanted space Jam to

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Speaker 3: the idea, Like you want to just like download into

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Speaker 6: I think that they hear stuff in the womb. M

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Speaker 6: there's evidence that babies, you know, they spend nine and

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Speaker 6: voices familiar to them.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but it's not like you're not doing that.

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Speaker 3: And maybe you are, but is it like the it's

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Speaker 3: the Mozart thing it's like, oh, play classical music.

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Speaker 6: There was definitely was a little bit of as I

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Speaker 1: So I watched.

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Speaker 6: I binged all of the drag races that I hadn't

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of them.

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Speaker 6: I've tried to rewatch it with her, anything that isn't cartoon.

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Speaker 1: What she Coco melon.

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Speaker 6: I we're a Coco melon free household. I won't let

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Speaker 1: And was it a part of the life at one point?

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Speaker 6: that when she's at my writing partner Lene, she gets

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Speaker 6: to watch Coco Melon and she's at Auntie Ellen's. But

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Speaker 6: I mean, her favorite show right now is Gabby's Dollhouse.

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Speaker 3: Gabby's all House is a huge head. You know the girl,

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Speaker 6: but really she's probably eighteen by now. The woman who

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Speaker 6: but she has a dollhouse. And and every episode like

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Speaker 6: she'll be like it's Floyd's birthday or so every episode

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Speaker 6: there's there's like a ramp in her room where a

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Speaker 1: On Sorry sorry, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. There's the

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Speaker 6: So there's a little ramp, the gifts come down on wheels,

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Speaker 6: and then she goes, it's a doll surprise. And then

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Speaker 6: oh my gosh, this must it's a backpack. We're going

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Speaker 6: camping in the dollhouse. And then she goes, it's time

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Speaker 6: to get tiny, and then she grabs uh stuffed animal.

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Speaker 6: She goes, pinch on my left, pinch, pinch am I right,

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Speaker 6: Grab Pandy's hand and hold on tight, and then she

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Speaker 1: So it's supernatural.

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Speaker 6: I met the show Supernatural that was on the sea deck.

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Speaker 1: No, I never mean that. I almost never mean that supernatural.

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Speaker 6: There's this amazing Reddit group called what my SERI.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, do you have a male Siri? That's the

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Speaker 1: default now, which let's talk about that later. But keep

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Speaker 1: he's a woman.

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Speaker 1: Change do better, Do better? Apple? Sis a woman, and

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Speaker 6: But there was a section of society that knew the

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Speaker 6: Some people just have it, and I still know it's straight,

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Any straight person you know could be

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Speaker 1: I feel like that is a badge of honor. Do

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Speaker 6: I don't make a big deal. I go, that's great, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: That's the thing is you can kind of any children's

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Speaker 1: what twenty seventeen?

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Speaker 6: Is hold on, we put it up, so I'm going

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Speaker 6: to be I'm still covering from a cold. This is

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Speaker 6: not cocaine, no problem. It could if it was no

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Speaker 6: problem something I guess. I mean, it looks like it

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Speaker 6: is cocaine with my sunglass. They take off my sunglasses

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Speaker 6: to prove it's not cocaine.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say it's just your eyes are so beautiful?

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Speaker 1: That would be Yeah. Now show your gorgeous face, show

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Speaker 1: that TCA winning face to America.

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Speaker 6: Now this episode is from April twelfth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Wow Jesus.

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Speaker 6: Okay, okay, here's some notes. At eight twenty one, Bowen

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Speaker 6: is working in an office with a floral campaign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so you were.

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Speaker 6: I think you were graphic design.

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Speaker 1: Graphic designing kings Lane e commerce.

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Speaker 6: So there was a floral campaign.

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Speaker 1: God, this is so this really crazy?

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Speaker 6: Now you got hired you right for SNL what twenty eighteen?

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Speaker 6: Less than so this is about a year after this

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Speaker 6: episode happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, within a year I was Yeah, I totally such jobs.

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Speaker 6: I think so we talked about obviously me talking about

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Speaker 6: of medical school. You must be even more glad now

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Speaker 6: that you're you didn't go to medicals.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, absolute, Rachel, you can't go viral on

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Speaker 1: medical school.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I guess, I guess you can in the

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Speaker 6: bad way.

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Speaker 5: You can't.

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Speaker 1: He could have been he could have been like a

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Speaker 1: fun doctor who lip synced. Yeah, totally because that because

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Speaker 1: because then you wouldn't even have to go out and

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Speaker 1: get the scrubs, you wouldn't just be wearing them. And

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Speaker 1: he could have done an incredible Christina Yang, like unbearable

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Speaker 1: monologue from Grays and A totally, and I would have

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Speaker 1: loved that, the pots and pans being banged for me,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Imagine being a medical professional who was just like, like, finally,

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Speaker 1: my time, they're finally recognizing what I do.

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Speaker 6: My friend did say a couple of months after co

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Speaker 6: my friend is a doctor, was like, yeah, so a

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Speaker 6: couple months ago we were all heroes and getting cookies

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Speaker 6: and now no one cares and we're sad.

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Speaker 1: Okay, continue okayfferent, I had forgotten how much you both

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Speaker 1: watched Crazy.

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Speaker 6: Ex girlfriend really watched it, so I want to thank.

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Speaker 1: You one of the great shows.

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Speaker 6: You asked me this is before season three. You said,

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Speaker 6: is Robert a thing in season three? And I said,

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Speaker 6: I can't say, so now I can answer, which.

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Speaker 1: Is kind of yeah. Finally that's a great answer too.

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Speaker 6: Because it kind of is he Yeah, Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 6: this kind of secret that comes out and it's what

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Speaker 6: causes josh Chan to turn on her and.

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Speaker 1: That show was soy and we we'll talk about this

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Speaker 1: special here.

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Speaker 6: I'll go back there's something that relates to special, but

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Speaker 6: I'll go back to it. Throughout our conversation, I keep

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Speaker 6: going hilarious instead of.

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Speaker 1: Laughing, that's that's a very comedian thing. You don't mean,

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Speaker 1: that's not something I do.

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Speaker 6: I got it. You all laugh a lean brosh McKenna

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Speaker 6: does that, and I was around her so much. She goes, huh, hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Instead of laughing hilarious, that's halfway to a laugh. I've

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Speaker 1: larius hilarious. I've heard that there is one showrunner whose

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Speaker 1: iconic thing is to say instead of laughs, she goes,

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Speaker 1: that's funny. And that's how you know it is the

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Speaker 1: opposite of that, that's funny.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's like her way of turning down a joke.

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Speaker 6: I'll OK, great, it's it's not only just larious.

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Speaker 1: You are such a laugher though, such a laugher.

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Speaker 6: And so I listened to that, and I'm like, this

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Speaker 6: is so weird, and I'm like, oh, I've been I

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Speaker 6: was hanging around a lean so much, I think, and

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Speaker 6: I think I was also really tired, yea, and hungry.

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Speaker 1: You pick things up in rooms with people that are

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Speaker 1: the authorities, like I remember, yeah, I picked up from

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Speaker 1: Chris Kelly and Sarah Schneider the blank of it all,

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Speaker 1: like we're talking about the carry of it all, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the like. And then I started saying that

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Speaker 1: all the time because it was just a catch all

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Speaker 1: and it just happens. It's osmosis, a word you used

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Speaker 1: earlier cosmotically. Oh anyway, maybe.

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Speaker 6: You should have been a doctor.

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Speaker 1: And that's really good. It's a really medical.

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Speaker 3: I was going to be lazy and do orthopedics because

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Speaker 3: it's not gory blood and it is gory, I guess,

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Speaker 3: but it's like setting to do surgery. You don't necessarily

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Speaker 3: have to be you're just setting bones. And then you're like, oh, great,

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Speaker 3: I made four hundred thousand dollars this year or something

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Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm actually really glad you didn't go to medical.

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Speaker 1: School, because yeah, I don't very little, so.

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Speaker 6: I actually really there was a part of me when

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Speaker 6: I was younger that was dabbling with being a doctor

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Speaker 6: because I loved blood and gore. I still do ever

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Speaker 6: since I've become a parent, my tolerance and it's not

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Speaker 6: just in kids. My tolerance for all violence and blood

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Speaker 6: and gore has gone down my heart. And I say

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Speaker 6: in a special my heart has just been cracked open

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Speaker 6: and I'm lame now.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, what it's the door has been open

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Speaker 1: and no matter how hard you try, you can't close.

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Speaker 6: And it's just like but even I was watching the

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Speaker 6: Menendez Brothers thing on Netflix and you see her hand

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Speaker 6: get like shot off.

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Speaker 1: I had to skip all that. That's a crazy then

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Speaker 1: it's a.

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Speaker 6: Really crazy scene. And it bothered me in a way

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Speaker 6: that there's just something about having a kid suddenly, and

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Speaker 6: maybe it's also because I've now lost a friend. The

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Speaker 6: combination of that suddenly, gore and grief and loss is

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Speaker 6: not something that's over there. It's very real and it

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Speaker 6: destroys me. The second Avatar movie, Okay, the whales.

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Speaker 1: The whales, the tocoon. But that's okay, crazy, So how

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Speaker 1: do you know?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Because I saw the film so many so.

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Speaker 6: This is how much being a parents. So the scene

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Speaker 6: where they kill the it's the tuccoon, the scene where

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Speaker 6: they killed tacoon. And then she's a mother, her baby

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Speaker 6: is strong, her baby is strong, and then she goes.

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Speaker 1: She was a singer of songs, she was a composer

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Speaker 1: of songs.

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Speaker 6: I kept thinking about the baby because you never see

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Speaker 6: the dead baby. So when I got home, I couldn't

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Speaker 6: stop thinking about it. I googled to coon baby dead

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Speaker 6: or alive because I wanted to find some sort of

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Speaker 6: Reddit or Chora a thread where someone had a theory

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Speaker 6: that the baby was alive. That's how much I can't

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Speaker 6: read the news.

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Speaker 1: You can't even theorize about it. It was a fact

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Speaker 1: that baby did.

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Speaker 6: The idea of like you've killed a mother, and the

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Speaker 6: baby whale also died because she didn't have the milk.

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Speaker 6: This is a fictitious alien whale. I know, and I'm great,

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Speaker 6: and it's all I could think about.

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Speaker 1: I never could really do like horror. But then what's

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Speaker 1: crazy is like it's the violence that bothers me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: like I couldn't watch that scene in Menendez for that reason.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of just like I've always been very

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Speaker 1: sensitive to that. I'm documented on this podcast as being

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Speaker 1: like really sensitive to gore and horror and stuff. But

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Speaker 1: when people die in movies, it like it hurts my feelings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and in the way where I'm like, like, even if

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Speaker 1: I'm writing something I don't, I very rarely kill characters

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Speaker 1: and like things that I write, Like even back in

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Speaker 1: the day doing sketch comedy, I rarely had people die

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Speaker 1: because I just think it's sad.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like constantly, you know, the classic

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Speaker 6: weight to end of sketch was for just someone to

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Speaker 6: do this, just like back in the day, So I

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Speaker 6: wrote on the show Robot Chicken, where like if someone

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Speaker 6: isn't exploding, I ended numerous sketches when I wrote for

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Speaker 6: robut Chicken with someone like shitting themselves to death. I

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Speaker 6: knew the way to get in a Robot Chicken sketch

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Speaker 6: was to end the dialogue going herd, which is someone

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Speaker 6: shitting themselves to that, and it spelled h u u

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Speaker 6: u u r r r g g g g g

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Speaker 6: h j J and it's very basically.

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Speaker 1: The final important herd.

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Speaker 3: You say this in the special, which is that, like

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Speaker 3: you see now that all children are fragile, and therefore

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Speaker 3: the bigger idea there is like everything is fragile, of course,

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Speaker 3: and that's why you're like to coon dead or alive,

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Speaker 3: like I need to know. It doesn't matter that it's

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Speaker 3: a fictitious whale. It's like everything, even the imagined stuff,

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Speaker 3: is fragile. Yeah, and that's that's all it is.

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Speaker 6: It's too Yeah, yes, you're absolutely right. And in fact,

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Speaker 6: when I was a kid, kids are fucked up. Kids

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Speaker 6: have a really fucked up since if you were, because

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Speaker 6: when you're a kid a lot of time you don't

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Speaker 6: have much to lose. So it's like why teens make

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Speaker 6: dead baby jokes. It's like there's a hardness, there's a lightness,

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Speaker 6: there's an I'm going to live forever. Death and grief

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Speaker 6: and a lot of bad things are so far away,

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Speaker 6: and it's just not that's not who I am anymore.

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Speaker 6: And it's weird because I used to have a really

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Speaker 6: high tolerance for stuff.

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Speaker 1: Even out of everyone that we did sketch with, you

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Speaker 1: were like kind of known as the darkest one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we did like that. We were never in the group together,

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Speaker 1: but famously like at the end of the year, all

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Speaker 1: the seniors were get to do their own thing, and

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Speaker 1: it was just they just read all your blackout lines

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Speaker 1: and how blue they all were like, how dark and

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Speaker 1: they all were imber that.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, I forgot that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like I remember that.

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Speaker 6: It was like, I'm a dark I'm that's half me

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Speaker 6: being a dark person. Also me cosplaying as a comedy guy,

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Speaker 6: which we talked about seven and a half years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, and I do want to get back.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no. We talked a lot about our college

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Speaker 6: comedy groups and it's interesting. I can't go into specifics,

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Speaker 6: but in sharing my story, which was that I was,

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Speaker 6: you know, got calm this love triangle and I was

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Speaker 6: removed as director of Hammercats. I have since heard stories

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Speaker 6: about other women in years behind me, but I thought

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Speaker 6: the groups were better going through other things not dissimilar

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Speaker 6: to that. And it's numerous stories. Yes, and I have

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Speaker 6: some bones to pick, not with you two, but I

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Speaker 6: have some other bones to pick.

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Speaker 1: Interesting off Mic, not with us, you're saying not with us,

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Speaker 1: but we would no, no, not with no.

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Speaker 6: No, you guys aren't the problem not with you two.

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Speaker 6: I have bones to pick with various other people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was inserting myself in that, being like, well, we

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Speaker 3: would love to know off the mic, we're not even

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Speaker 3: privy to that information necessarily.

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Speaker 6: No, I'll tell you of mine.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 6: But I think it's interesting because that was seven years

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Speaker 6: ago and I could and I still. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: wrote about in my book this. There's something that I know.

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Speaker 6: College is very formative, like stuff that happens to you.

657
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 6: Your brain is still for me. I think your brain's

658
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 6: not fully formed until you're twenty five or something thing

659
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 6: like that. Then there's a reason these experiences mold you

660
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 6: in shape you anyway.

661
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I think about the way I was back then,

662
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Jesus Christ, this is great.

663
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Speaker 6: So first of all, right, this was you were a

664
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 6: week away from being on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

665
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, what.

666
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 6: Ended up happening?

667
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: I won five thousand dollars.

668
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 6: Great.

669
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: So I think I know this, but I wanted to.

670
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure you said it.

671
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 6: I just wanted to.

672
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Speaker 1: Well, I went out to Vegas with Sudie, who was

673
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: my photo friend phono friend, but at that point, they

674
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: were just doing like plus one, like she sat behind

675
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: me in the audience and then came out. I guess

676
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: they finally figured out that phono friend could be very easily,

677
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: like you know, you could cheat because your your friend

678
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: could just be school like googling it. They caught up

679
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: to the age of technology and the friend was there.

680
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: So we were there and Chris Harrison from The Bachelor

681
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: was the host who did not like me, and I

682
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: could tell, and he like did this thing where so

683
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: I got on a second episode because like they we

684
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: ran out of time and then I had to come

685
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: back out for the second episode, and I guess I

686
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: messed up my entrance and he didn't like that because

687
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: I guess it was the end of the day and

688
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: so he wanted to go home. I guess he did

689
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: give a very I'm over this very tired energy like

690
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: he was doing the job, but like very like I'm

691
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: half awake and I'm Chris Harrison, which was kind of

692
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: his whole thing anyway, which I think made him a

693
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: good host of The Bachelor because no one was looking

694
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: at him. They were looking at like the guy and

695
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: then the girls because whatever, just a perfect vanilla host

696
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: and then he when I did my entrance to come

697
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: out the second time, I went to shake his hand

698
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: and he pulled my hand and you can actually see

699
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: in the video me like come off my feet a

700
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: little bit because he was like trying to do like

701
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: a male dominance, like don't mess around. Yeah, he was

702
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: a jerk, total jerk. And I remember me and Sudi

703
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: where we went to commercial break and he did the

704
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: thing where it's like the host is talking while while

705
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: everyone collapsed and you go to commercial and he literally

706
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: did that thing of like and now's the part we

707
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: pretend to talk.

708
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Speaker 6: So is that Jesus?

709
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 5: You know what?

710
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Like everyone's allowed to have a whatever day, but that

711
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: was my experience.

712
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 6: We mean to because then let's share it on here podcast.

713
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: I'll say it on the Last Coach.

714
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 6: It's like that reporter who's now going back retrospectively and

715
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 6: being like these are some of my worst interviews.

716
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, the one with Blake Lively.

717
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 6: But then also there's like one with an Hathaway and

718
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 6: like I was like that's.

719
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you blame them? No? Oh do I

720
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: blame them?

721
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Speaker 6: Look, press junkets are are also I got jel X.

722
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Speaker 1: For the first time, gorgeous show the camera.

723
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Speaker 6: It's like, also, but picking my nose is heroin. That's okay,

724
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 6: just because because I'll stab myself. I guess I could.

725
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 6: I can tweezer it.

726
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: Press junkets about press prest.

727
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Speaker 6: Junkets are really have you ever done like a proper?

728
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 6: Have you guys ever done like a proper?

729
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: You're in a room.

730
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 6: You're in there, the same room for three hours. They

731
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 6: bring people in.

732
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Speaker 1: It's tiring you say the same shit over and over.

733
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Speaker 6: I think what's messed up is that for other people

734
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 6: to notice these interviews and for them to go viral. Yeah,

735
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 6: that's the Internet. There's something a little messed up about

736
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 6: the journalist exhuming it because it's a little bit like

737
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 6: there's a little bit of a therapist client confidentiality because

738
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 6: you're both in it together, you're both in the trenches together.

739
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: I got it. I don't think it's cool.

740
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 6: It's juicy. You're right, it's juicy, but also like it's

741
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 6: it's a little bit of like, yeah, just stop, it's

742
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 6: it's your work colleagues a little bit.

743
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, I guess my thing is just like

744
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: the thing with Chris Harrison was like, it was like

745
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: I had that experience whatever, and then like a few

746
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: years later he said all that like whack shit, Like

747
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: when when The Bachelor was having a lot of like

748
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: there was a lot of conversations about like race with

749
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: the Bachelor and he really kind of like doubled down.

750
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: No one needed to expose him for being whatever way

751
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: because he kind of was like he unveiled himself as

752
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of a jerk.

753
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 6: Everyone knows he's a piece of shit. I have to believe,

754
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 6: and this has been proven numerous times that if someone

755
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 6: is mean to you in the industry, the world will

756
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 6: figure it out that if you if they're mean to you,

757
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 6: you're not an isolated experience. You don't have to go

758
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 6: on a public ty rate against them. They are going

759
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 6: to out themselves. Yes, and I and that has now

760
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 6: happened numerous times where I'm like, the world will take

761
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 6: care of them.

762
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: That's a little culture number eight. The world will take

763
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: care of them.

764
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: You know, we've had this discussion about this Taylor Swift quote.

765
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: She says, trash takes itself out every time. You don't

766
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: think that's true.

767
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: I kind of I'm not every time. Every time did

768
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: I say. I don't think that's true. I think it

769
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: not every time, but I think trash will likely take

770
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: itself out eventually. That's what I think.

771
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 6: It might smell up the house.

772
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: I just think, especially if you're like a well known person.

773
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: Now a days, the media is so sensitive and it's

774
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: like anyone can pull something up from a long time ago,

775
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: Like there's records of everything. With the Internet, it's like

776
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: you can't really hide who you are, especially now when

777
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: everyone's on like an authenticity hunt. Yes, because it's like

778
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: that's what people get off on and that's what people

779
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: connect to, and so it's like I almost think it's

780
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: the reason why we're seeing this shift away from like

781
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: the Diane Sawyer type interview and more towards the like

782
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: Alex Cooper thing with Kamala Harris. Like it's just it's

783
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: everything is becoming a lot more casual because I think

784
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: people are attracted to it. But that casualness is going

785
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: to cause people to therefore act very casual. And when

786
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: someone acts casual like that, they're gonna they're gonna show

787
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: who they really are.

788
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 6: Well, the access is just different. Yeah, thirty years ago,

789
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 6: if someone did an interview you couldn't then rewatch that

790
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 6: interview unless you taped it on a VHS exactly. But

791
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 6: now that interview is forever, so people can scrutinize. I'm

792
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 6: not even talking about things that happened to myself as

793
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 6: much as just what happens, like you can go and

794
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 6: be like, wait a second, this is crazy. It's just

795
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 6: the access to how people act at every moment is

796
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 6: so just the technology wasn't there thirty years ago, Like

797
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 6: growing up my ideas, I'm sure your ideas of like

798
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 6: I want to be a star. What that meant was different,

799
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 6: Like when I thought I want to be a star, and.

800
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: I would have sorry, who was the who for the

801
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: wrestler who went all of the people wrestler.

802
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 6: Melissa, Oh, there are people, there are people up there.

803
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 7: I love it.

804
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: And when she said the word fuck and it was

805
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: she pretended like she didn't know it was so clearly

806
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: she was going, I respect Melissa Leo. She no, no, no,

807
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: she break him.

808
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 6: Paigny she did. He succeeded. The thing that I keep

809
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 6: also seeing that social media and the world rewards that

810
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 6: I guess I need to be better at is shamelessness.

811
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 6: I have very rarely seen people who are schmoozy in

812
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 6: a cringey way. Mostly they get rewarded for it because

813
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 6: they're not being bad people, they're being schmoozy. I see

814
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 6: them getting rewarded for it, even though it makes me

815
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 6: sometimes cringe the way it is. And this is also

816
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 6: just social media spawn con I very rarely see that

817
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 6: cringiness get attacked online. I don't think I mean online attacks.

818
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 6: I don't think anyone should be really attacked on. It's

819
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 6: been three weeks with this cough happens. I hope that's

820
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 6: not foreshadowing. I hope you don't play this episode back

821
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 6: in seven years and I was like, that was that

822
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 6: was when it began.

823
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: Come back and talk about it anymore, because that's always

824
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: what happens. It's like people are like, when.

825
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 7: I die, what I want is and I'm like, don't

826
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 7: give them that, because like, don't ever be on camera

827
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 7: being like, I guess the last thing I'd ever want

828
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 7: to say is it's like, what are you doing?

829
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: You're going to use that and the true crime documentary

830
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: or it's just you're just putting that energy out there.

831
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I gave, I gave Do you remember do

832
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 6: you remember Jeff Eckman.

833
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jeff.

834
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 6: One time we gave each other our like death, our

835
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 6: request if we were to die. This is when I

836
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 6: was twenty and one of my requests was that he

837
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 6: somehow kicked Dick Cheney in the balls.

838
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: Sure, very two thousand and seven and.

839
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 6: Eight, very, how is he going to get access to

840
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 6: Dick Cheney?

841
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: How would he?

842
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 6: I also, he might get he himself might get assassinated

843
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 6: if he tried to kick Dick Cheney. And oh, certainly

844
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 6: so do I still have that request?

845
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Kind of pass?

846
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 6: I don't even want to get into it.

847
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: You know.

848
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: It's like, well, the whole thing with the Chenese is

849
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: it's like all of a sudden, we're like, and thank you,

850
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: Liz Cheney. Where's Chinese? Has been one of the worst

851
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: people in government for such a long time and here

852
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: having basic humanity right now and like not being a

853
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: complete fucking moron is like now now she might watch

854
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: what she's like in the cabinet.

855
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 6: So I mean, what you think back on Mitt Romney's

856
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 6: binders full of women? Oh yeah, I long for binders

857
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 6: full of women.

858
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: Oh remember remember one be ended her.

859
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 6: Ken the things that ended? Remember when Marco Rubio was thirsty.

860
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh the water just kept drinking water.

861
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 6: But yeah, the Howard Dean's scream ruining his career is yeah,

862
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 6: we are fining. That's why the internet was that.

863
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: What year was that? Two thousand and four?

864
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 6: So I feel like that was the inner people being like, wait,

865
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 6: on the Internet, you can play things.

866
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: You can clip it and distribute.

867
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: If I were to do it all over again, even

868
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: at n YU media Seti's oh so or something sociological

869
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: or something, I'm like, I need no, I like, I

870
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: love especially now as like an adult, I'm like, I

871
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: want to know how these things work. As we're talking

872
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: about like media literacy and like what like being like

873
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: a public facing person means now, Like I'm like, oh

874
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: I need I really want to like pop open the hood.

875
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

876
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 6: So what I was going to say was when I

877
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 6: was a kid and I was thinking, and I was

878
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 6: watching the Golden Globes or the Oscars and being like, oh,

879
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 6: that's what being famous is. What I never what never

880
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 6: occurred to me when I'd ever thought about because it

881
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 6: wasn't possible, was like I want to be at a

882
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 6: place where I can post a thought about something that

883
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 6: has nothing to do with the work that I'm doing,

884
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 6: and that thought will be I will be seen as

885
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 6: either an expert or scrutinized for it. That was never

886
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 6: a part of being You had to go out of

887
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 6: your way when we were growing up. In order to

888
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 6: like be a celebrity and make a statement on something,

889
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 6: you had to like really go out of your way.

890
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 6: You had to say it, like during an award speech,

891
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 6: you had to make it a point in an interview.

892
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 6: It was more rare. And now that everyone is expected

893
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 6: to be an authority and expert on everything and everything

894
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 6: is on the record at all times at all times,

895
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 6: is really and I'm not even talking about it if

896
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 6: your celebrity, it's toxic for every everyone because everyone is

897
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 6: fundamentally imperfect and in a constant state of learning. And

898
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 6: it's it's just such we're in such a world.

899
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: Of glass houses right now. It's crazy. I mean, it's

900
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: it's like you stand a certain way or you stand

901
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: a certain place, and it's like a statement on things,

902
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like you know what

903
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's just it's silly, it's dumb.

904
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 6: Like I also remember when they this is this is

905
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 6: fifteen years ago. Remember when they asked child Justin Bieber

906
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 6: at abortion.

907
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, and he was like, I don't.

908
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 6: Know, it seems sad. It's like killing a baby. And

909
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 6: it was like, Justin Bieber is anti abortion. It's like

910
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 6: he's a Canadian child. What do you well, he's not

911
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 6: an abortion he's singing, baby baby, what are you doing.

912
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 6: I also think like when his songs about babies, of

913
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 6: course he's gonna on the side of pro baby, of

914
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 6: pro baby ticket, you know what. And it's also big baby.

915
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: It's big baby is out there and he does it

916
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: was a baby. And I just want to say, just

917
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: to just to quickly put a point on this uppearing

918
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: on this is never liked dead baby jokes, even as

919
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: a teenager.

920
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: Okay, let's yeah, I don't like dead baby jokes at all.

921
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 6: I you are better people than no.

922
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: That's no, no, no, and that's not I just I

923
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: never got it. Even as a fourteen year old when

924
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 3: kids were doing it, I was like, this is upsetic.

925
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 6: So for you know what, it was for me and

926
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 6: I would say like this with dark humor, and this

927
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 6: is why I also win hammercats.

928
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: I was dark.

929
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 6: So I grew up in southern California, by the beach

930
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 6: where everyone was. If you weren't happy, you covered it.

931
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 6: It is a happy, beautiful place. I was just there

932
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 6: this weekend. It's gorgeous. And if you're unhappy, which I

933
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 6: was a lot of the time, you feel crazy. Yeah,

934
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 6: because you're like, I'll take off my sunglasses fist because

935
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 6: this is important. You're like, there's something wrong with me.

936
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 6: Why would I be unhappy here? The sun is out,

937
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 6: everyone around me is happy. Santa's is on a surfboard

938
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 6: when it's Christmas, because that's the aesthetic of Like, so

939
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 6: in California beach Christmas, it's always sand on a surfboard.

940
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 6: Yes he's wearing like the Santa clothes, but he's in

941
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 6: shorts and he has that Sanna packs and Sana. How

942
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 6: could you be unhappy around Pakistan? Around Pakistansana? And so

943
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 6: I think that I looked I went to a very

944
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 6: dark place sometimes because I looked for validation of the

945
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 6: darkness that I felt inside myself that wasn't being validated

946
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 6: on the outside. And the East Coast so like Long

947
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 6: Island half the year, Like Long Island fucking sucks totally,

948
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 6: Like it's like gross.

949
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: It reminds me that life is suffering by nature of

950
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: the season, even winter.

951
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 6: Winter reminds you that life is fundamentally suffering. But if

952
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 6: it's always it.

953
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: Allows you to change because you realize that time is passing.

954
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: It's sort of like Gabby, you know what I mean.

955
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: It's like she lives in that in that simulation all

956
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 1: the time. It never changes. That's why she's an eighteen

957
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: year old, four year old.

958
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 6: So maya existence was more like Gabby's dollhouse, right than

959
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 6: had I lived on the East coast, right. So I

960
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 6: did things like you look for dark humor, like did

961
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 6: be jos you. I read The Exorcist for an eighth

962
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 6: grade book report, and I read about the Exorcist, and

963
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 6: that's a dark that's book is not appropriate for a

964
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 6: thirteen year old. She fucks herself with a crucifix. I mean,

965
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 6: she talks about like it's really what's the position the

966
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 6: demon that possess it's Pazuzu, right, I did the thing

967
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 6: where she was. There's a part of the Exorcist book

968
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 6: where she's being interviewed and she's speaking what they think

969
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 6: is a foreign tongue, and then they play it back

970
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 6: and she's speaking backwards, and she says no one, my

971
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 6: and I recorded myself doing it on the computer and

972
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 6: then played it backwards and I am no one to

973
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 6: hear my own voice at thirteen go, I am no one.

974
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: I am no See that's the that's really so that's

975
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: why I kind of things playing backwards in songs like

976
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: that ship, like the Urban Legends and everything.

977
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I should do that.

978
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: You should.

979
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 6: I should make a song where there's like a backwards

980
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 6: message that's just.

981
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: Like subliminally in that's like I died.

982
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 6: I died in two thousand and eight. I am. I'm

983
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 6: now an Illuminati robot. Okay, take a note. Okay, wait

984
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 6: this episode seven a half years ago. Oh yeah, yes, yes, yes,

985
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 6: So we were talking about award shows. Here's what's great.

986
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 6: It is, without question, the person who's going to be

987
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 6: nominated for big awards is you, and that Bowen will

988
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 6: be coming to award shows with you.

989
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: So I mean long life as long and it should.

990
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 6: But it's just very funny because you've now been to

991
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 6: the Primetime Emmys way more than I, but you've won

992
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 6: and I haven't. Yes, I mean technically I want to

993
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 6: create an art semi. It's the same memmy.

994
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

995
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 6: And you described your ideal mourning that you wake up

996
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 6: and someone hands you a mimosa, and that I was.

997
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: By the way, right, I don't know, it's pretty great.

998
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: And this is where I said I wanted to work

999
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: Canary yellow. Yes, yeah, okay, that's and you want.

1000
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 6: To marry out because you wanted to appear as if

1001
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 6: you there's no way you'd win, and then you were

1002
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 6: practicing your winning faces. So now I'd like to ask you,

1003
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 6: what's your award show morning or and have you take

1004
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 6: Have you gone to award shows with him?

1005
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: I went to the Emmys with you when you were

1006
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: nominated as a writer as a writer, and then I

1007
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: haven't been back.

1008
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 7: No.

1009
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: It overwhelms me a lot.

1010
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 6: It's that's what I was, and I was saying that

1011
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 6: it's a lot, and and nothing else in life is

1012
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 6: a lot. And everyone around you also has the vibe

1013
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: of this is a lot. Yea, No one really feels

1014
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 6: like they belong there. Everyone else is like I girls

1015
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 6: from actor.

1016
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: It's I think that's one of the things too, that's

1017
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: like so different about when you're little and you look

1018
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: up and you're like, wow, I want to be like

1019
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: a big star. Is like you think that there's going

1020
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: to be like a comfort and like an elusivity to

1021
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: the experience, and you're just like uncomfortable and like it's

1022
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: all a show, you know what I mean, Like you realize,

1023
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: like that red carpet, you've waited for an hour to

1024
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: get on it around people who are like hungry and

1025
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and with their publicists. Yes, you know what I mean.

1026
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: It's all It sucks to say it's all fake because

1027
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: that sounds so rough, but it is constructed.

1028
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 6: Well, you're you're not seeing the part where you're waiting

1029
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 6: in line. I love being at shows and talking. I

1030
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 6: also I wrote on the People's Choice Awards many years ago,

1031
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 6: and I thought it was really interesting. And whenever I'm

1032
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 6: at awards, I like talking to the people working behind

1033
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 6: the scenes and been like, so, what's the drama today?

1034
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1035
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I get the tea. Sometimes they're like, oh, well,

1036
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 6: so and so was supposed to present. They didn't like

1037
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 6: their speech, and I was like, and I love. I

1038
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 6: love hearing that stuff because it's a job. People are

1039
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 6: there to work. It's a work event.

1040
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1041
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 6: So when you went, I'm this is a question for

1042
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 6: both of you. When you wake up on an awards morning.

1043
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 6: Did someone hand you on Mimosa?

1044
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: No one hited me and Mimosa. I'll just order a

1045
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: room service and then I'll like work out, meditate, and

1046
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: then like put on the clothes and that's it.

1047
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: And then like this year at the fun part, fun

1048
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: part is putting on the clothes.

1049
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: This year Suity came and you know, we like did

1050
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: a whole just had a nice time taking a couple

1051
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: of pictures, and then and then becomes prom for like

1052
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: twenty minutes.

1053
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's fun.

1054
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: And then once you're once you arrive at the thing

1055
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: and you got to meet your public system and you

1056
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: gotta walk, and it's like then it becomes work. And

1057
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: then you're like, ooh, this is the curtain's been pulled back?

1058
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: Literally was it of a style? Like oh, this is

1059
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 3: not what I thought it would be.

1060
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the whole night is about adjusting to that,

1061
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: and then as soon as you feel slightly adjusted, then

1062
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: it ends. Although I will.

1063
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: Say I do think it's a mercy that the category

1064
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: that I've been nominated and the past three times has

1065
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: been Top a Show. And then the rest of the

1066
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: night I'm like, Okay, well we're drinking, you know, like

1067
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: do you leave after your I don't. I'm just like

1068
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 3: I might as well stay, Like who knows when I'll

1069
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: be back, Like I might as well say for this, Yeah,

1070
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 3: so do you?

1071
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: You shaid no.

1072
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 6: But also the times that the Emmys I was nominated.

1073
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 6: I think my category was towards the end, so I

1074
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 6: was always there. And then you're just nervous. Okay, let

1075
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 6: me ask you a question. So I had to do

1076
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 6: so much awards campaign for Crazy X. I knew exactly

1077
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 6: when the Golden Globes nominations were coming out, when Emmy

1078
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 6: nominations because I had to. I was the face of

1079
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 6: the show.

1080
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: I had to.

1081
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 6: And every night I would get before an Awards show nomination,

1082
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 6: it was the worst anxiety. I couldn't sleep. And the

1083
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 6: next time it happened, God willing if it ever happens again,

1084
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 6: Like I should take a zatax or something. I mean,

1085
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 6: when I last time with the Emmys, I was was

1086
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 6: I pregnant when the nominations were announced.

1087
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: I was pregnant.

1088
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 6: I was pregnant.

1089
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so I.

1090
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 6: Couldn't dig his annex. But anyway, I'm always aware of

1091
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 6: when the Awards nominations are not always, but often I'm

1092
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 6: aware and it gives me horrible like anxiety. It feels

1093
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 6: like it feels like the worst version of like a

1094
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 6: cast list coming out. I don't know, Yeah, it feels weird.

1095
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 6: But then you hear people be asked like what were

1096
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 6: you doing when you found out you were nominated? And

1097
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 6: they're like, oh my god, I didn't know the nominations

1098
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 6: were today.

1099
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: I was at the gym.

1100
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 6: That's fake, right, So like, what are your feelings the

1101
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 6: night before nominations this year?

1102
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: I was, honestly, honest to god, the night before I

1103
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: obviously knew that the nominations were coming out the next day,

1104
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 3: but I was just like finally back in town, getting

1105
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: my apartment all together, couldn't really sleep. But then woke

1106
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 3: up the next morning and be like, I'm gonna go

1107
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: to the gym. I'm gonna sit in the steamer room

1108
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: for like ten minutes. So I like had this like agida,

1109
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: But then I sat in the steamroom meditated, did a

1110
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: whole like I had a whole moment to myself where

1111
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: it was like, whatever happens, like you care obviously, but

1112
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: it's probably not gonna happen.

1113
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so just like ground yourself in that and

1114
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: then go about the rest.

1115
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: Of your day and you have all these other things

1116
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 3: in your schedule that were purely domestic, like you're gonna

1117
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: go and buy like a new trash cam. You know,

1118
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 3: like you're gonna go, You're gonna like work on this thing.

1119
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: And then it was like in the middle of my

1120
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 3: day that like it came out. And then the first

1121
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: somehow these publicists know everything before anyone else does, and

1122
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: then that's when they text you, and I was like, oh,

1123
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: and like I found out through text. I was like,

1124
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: oh great, But I packed my day so much that

1125
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I gotta move. I got to

1126
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 3: like go to this next place. And like the inertia

1127
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: of that and the momentum of that was helpful.

1128
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 6: It's good. It's grounding.

1129
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: It's grounding. I also hate the bullshit of like, oh,

1130
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: I had no idea. I mean, I obviously had the awareness,

1131
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: but I.

1132
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 6: Guess there are some people they would have to be like,

1133
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 6: I'm not going online, don't tell me when the nominations are.

1134
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: No.

1135
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 6: I was.

1136
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: I was tracking and I was like, oh, and it's

1137
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: eleven am.

1138
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 6: So here's the problem is for because it's West coast.

1139
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 6: We always cater to you guys. Yeah, they're always like

1140
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 6: six am, right, yeah, And so then you're like, well

1141
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 6: it's six I might as well stay up. I wish

1142
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 6: it was just an email six.

1143
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: Though, because I feel, you know what, not that I've

1144
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: ever been like in contention in a real way, but

1145
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: like sometimes you will be up and rolling over and

1146
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: then being able to see the nominees and not it

1147
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: being nine am and like waiting around. That's like I'd

1148
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: rather wake up, look at the phone and be like, oh,

1149
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: there's something happening in the phone right now, or there's not.

1150
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: Then it's like you can deal with it in the

1151
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: moment of like waking up and being by yourself and

1152
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: not that. I hate being anxious waiting for things. So

1153
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: that's what it is.

1154
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 6: I think it's just it's the anxious. It's the anxious waiting.

1155
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: I need to and want to take the ax because

1156
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: you're like, let me just kill this feeling.

1157
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's just it's like a body, even if you

1158
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 6: don't want even if you're like this isn't it's fine,

1159
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 6: Like it's fine either way. Your body is doing something

1160
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 6: that you don't want it to.

1161
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: Pothead. This is literally why this is? This is because

1162
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, the second I start to feel uncomfortable, it's

1163
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: something I'm like actively working on. Is like I have

1164
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: to stop my body from physically being like, Oh, you

1165
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: need marijuana right now to calm down.

1166
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 6: Oh wow, so you smoke a lot all the time.

1167
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I want to ask you this. This is

1168
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: the moment in the special. It's not spoiling anything, but

1169
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: you you can spoil it.

1170
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, Well there's the moment that you

1171
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: find out or like immediately after you find out that

1172
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: your friend has passed away, your psychiatrist tells you all

1173
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: you can do is feel, and then you're like, and

1174
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: for some reason, I grabbed a journal because that seems

1175
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: like why is that the default?

1176
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 3: I like relate to this so much. It's like why

1177
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 3: do we think? Why is the imagery of like feeling

1178
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: of like emotional access and like directness, Like why is

1179
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: that so tied to like the idea of journals? Because

1180
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 3: I have the same thought where I'm like, I guess

1181
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 3: I better write this down, even though I never it's

1182
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: never for posterity, I never look back on it.

1183
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what is that?

1184
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: But that ended up being like an important element of

1185
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: that moment for you, right where you wrote something.

1186
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 6: Down, Well, I did, but then I gave up. I

1187
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 6: mean literally, I still have the notebook somewhere. It's like

1188
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 6: Adam dot and then you know, and that's all I

1189
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 6: can write.

1190
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1191
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 6: I think that. Look, I naturally do see writing as cathartic. Yes,

1192
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 6: and there is something the moment something happens. Writing about

1193
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 6: it you do capture I don't know, you capture them.

1194
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 6: But that's very that's very product oriented. And that's not

1195
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 6: what I was in that moment. I wasn't going for

1196
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 6: like output output it all well, I don't know.

1197
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

1198
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 6: You just when you read self care guidelines, it always

1199
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 6: says journal that's almost a thing that you've been told

1200
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 6: from a young like the American Girl car and Keeping.

1201
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: Of You is Dear America. Do you ever read this,

1202
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: Dear America?

1203
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 6: No, I'm talking about there's an American girl book from

1204
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 6: the mid nineties called The Karen Keeping of You that

1205
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 6: every young woman read, and it featured a graphic illustration

1206
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 6: of a girl putting a tampon end. Every woman listening

1207
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 6: to this or watching this who was born in the

1208
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 6: late eighties early nineties, knows what I'm talking about anyway,

1209
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 6: journal about it is the thing you read. And I

1210
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 6: was so in that moment lost when he died. I

1211
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 6: mean this is seconds after he's died that I was like,

1212
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 6: the emotions were unbearable that I was like, what will

1213
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 6: help me? I want to It was in a way

1214
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 6: it was like, maybe the journal will help me not

1215
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 6: not feel this way. I think that's what it is

1216
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 6: that I have to do. And I'm a very I

1217
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 6: gotta do something person. So the idea of just sitting

1218
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 6: with my emotion doesn't seem right. But I couldn't do it.

1219
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 6: And then I remember I took a shower and there's

1220
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 6: this ledge in my shower and I just put my

1221
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 6: head on it and sob. And even now when I'm

1222
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 6: in the shower and I'm on that and I look

1223
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 6: at that ledge, I think about that moment where I

1224
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 6: was like, sobbing, which is weird with shower sex, you

1225
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 6: gotta yeah, are.

1226
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: You having shower sex?

1227
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 6: Though? Yeah?

1228
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: Really I never could figure it out. I guess it's

1229
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: a little different.

1230
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 6: It's different for for gays well, because you also have

1231
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 6: to figure out because like water is not water is

1232
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 6: not a luber So that's that is a challenge of shower.

1233
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: Sex, right, and so thank god for natural lubrican.

1234
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 6: Well there's not. And then but also like do you

1235
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 6: put this big it away? Yeah? You know, like you go,

1236
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 6: you know like that like what you want is the steaminess, right,

1237
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 6: you don't want that? Well because also it's like calming.

1238
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 6: Sure sometimes you'll get the shower of showers, be like, oh.

1239
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: I have showers. Yeah, I just don't want to drown.

1240
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: Like if I'm like if I'm like the let's face it,

1241
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: the receiving partner likely okay, And then I'm like ah,

1242
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: and then like I'm like not in control. What if

1243
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: I like get put under the water.

1244
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 6: And I'm like, I wonder how many how many people

1245
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 6: die that way?

1246
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: How many? So many? I don't know. So many people

1247
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: are into like choking and stuff.

1248
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 6: My friend has a fucked up story of being at

1249
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 6: a sex club and seeing a guy die because he

1250
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 6: was really fucked up on drugs and I think he

1251
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 6: was getting his esophagus was getting compressed or something and

1252
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 6: he was and he was it was like the wrong

1253
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 6: angle and he like somehow suffocated. It wasn't anyone's fault.

1254
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 6: He just didn't he didn't notice.

1255
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: I think that his wind it was accident. It's such

1256
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: a bummers no no, no, But like I was watching

1257
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: or Special and then about ten fifteen minutes in, I

1258
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: think it really sank in that this was going to

1259
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: be really about death. And I know I just said,

1260
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: let's not talk about it on Mike because don't give

1261
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: them that. But I have been like thinking about it more.

1262
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: I think because it occurred to me a few weeks

1263
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: ago that I should probably put like a will together

1264
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: because there's a certain amount of money now yeah, And

1265
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: I was like I wouldn't want that to just go somewhere.

1266
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to leave all that to

1267
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: my sister. And then I started to think about, like, well,

1268
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: I should probably do it soon because it's probably likelier

1269
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: that i'll die here, you know what I mean. I

1270
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: thought about like somewhere I'm going later in the month,

1271
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, that's a spot that could get attacked.

1272
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like thinking to myself, and then I was

1273
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: like I was hearing myself think and I was like,

1274
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: what is this a product of Is it a product

1275
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: of our current landscape? Is it a product of me

1276
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: getting a little bit older. Is it the pandemic that

1277
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: made death very real? I think it is all.

1278
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 6: It's hard to ext it's hard to extricate one factor

1279
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 6: from another. I think we're older, we're older, and also

1280
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 6: death is all around us. And I think that it

1281
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 6: would be impossible too, because I think about this too,

1282
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 6: where it's like giving birth, raying the pandemic, my daughter

1283
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 6: being the nick you, my writing partner for those of

1284
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 6: who don't know my right, my songwriting partner died a

1285
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 6: week after my daughter was born. It is hard to

1286
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 6: extricate her being in the nick you, from it being COVID,

1287
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 6: from him dying of it. Like I don't know if

1288
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 6: you'd isolated each of these incidents, how each one would

1289
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 6: feel in a vacuum.

1290
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: It is all experience.

1291
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 6: It's all one. You can't when you start pulling apart

1292
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 6: those threads. I don't know who knows. But a will's

1293
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I mean, we have a kid,

1294
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 6: so we've made we've made a will. It's all it's

1295
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 6: all getting left to you. I should say that this

1296
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 6: is the moment that I admit it all goes to you.

1297
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 6: That's why I came here today.

1298
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: Wow, I wasn't expecting it, but I didn't want to say.

1299
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: It's like it's like nomination morning, you know what I mean,

1300
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: And like I was coming here and thinking, is she

1301
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: giving me? Is she bequeathing me? By the way, bequeath?

1302
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: That's a funny word for it.

1303
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Speaker 6: Dad so good, because has anyone done a pun like bequeath?

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Speaker 1: You don't want to do it? Oh, I bequeathed my Yeah,

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: imagine if that was how I quafed beautiful. That's what

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01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: happens when I thought, just did your do your cleefs

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01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: have a tone to them?

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Speaker 6: No, they are pure air, juicy, No, they're pure air

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Speaker 6: if I've just taken a bath.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 6: They sound like the world's nastiest diary of art because

1312
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 6: it's because it's it's like, I know you'll answer this, yeah, squirting,

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01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 6: I don't. I'm not a squirter.

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Speaker 1: You never have.

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Speaker 6: I remember I have memories of being in like when

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01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 6: I first started masturbating of like sort something squirting. I

1317
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 6: think it was pee. I think I had to pee

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01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 6: and I like masturbated three times in a row and

1319
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 6: then the pee just got forced out because it hasn't

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01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 6: happened since.

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01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: Which it didn't feel you remember how it felt. It

1322
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: felt like, Oh, I just peed myself. It's crazy when

1323
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: you watch because sometimes I do watch straight porn and

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01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: I will get into squirting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am scorting porn and I like it because

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01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 6: the actresses are just like.

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01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: And the like and like it looks like. And then

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01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: that's where I get upset, Like sometimes I'm like, I

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01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: wish that I could experience that. You wish this, I

1331
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: absolutely do. I think it's fake.

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Speaker 6: I don't feel so I try to look out with

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01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 6: squirting porn when it's very clearly water coming out of

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01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 6: the urethra, because there's a theory that is just pissed

1335
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 6: or whatever. So when it's very clearly a stream coming

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 6: out of that second hole, I don't like it because

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01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 6: I'm like, that's just peeing right when it's like there's

1338
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 6: something that happens sometimes during scorting porn where it just

1339
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 6: fucking gushes out and you can't tell where it's coming from,

1340
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 6: and it could be from the vagina. That's the squirting port.

1341
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 6: That's the fantasy for me. It's just when it's like,

1342
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 6: when it's the stream coming out of the urethra, then

1343
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 6: it's not fantasy because it's like you're just pissing yourself. Yeah,

1344
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 6: some people like people squirt. There's this theory that it

1345
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 6: comes from something called the schemes gland skins that they've

1346
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 6: analyzed it and like some of it is pissed. The juries.

1347
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: The jury's still out whether on whether or not scored

1348
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: is pissed.

1349
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 6: And by the way, like that's how behind far behind

1350
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 6: we are on studying a woman's body.

1351
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, shouldn't we know this.

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01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 6: We didn't know what the clit was. The clitterist is

1353
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 6: an iceberg. It's tip of the iceberg with all of

1354
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 6: these nerves that extend into like your vagina, your butthole.

1355
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 6: You didn't know about that until I.

1356
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: This is Barbie. When did we find out about this?

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Speaker 6: I want to say it started in the sixties, but

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01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 6: then it was actually mapped in like the eighties. This

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01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 6: is this is the way over half the world gets

1360
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 6: sexual pleasure, and we still are like.

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Speaker 3: The recency of this shit like reminds me that there's

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01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: this great piece in the cut that came out in

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Speaker 3: January when you were doing the show at the Orpheum.

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Speaker 6: Did some research.

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01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: Well, no, of course, every morning every morning. But I

1366
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: was reading this back in January.

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Speaker 3: Like Emily Gould, I think she wrote it, but the

1368
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 3: writer did a great job of saying like the Crazy

1369
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: Ex Girlfriend was very much ahead of its time in

1370
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 3: terms of like the mental health discourse that we've had.

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Speaker 3: And I think the special will also kind of have

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Speaker 3: this like lasting relevance and permanence because the way we

1373
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 3: think about death this has been permanently altered since the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: It's like everyone is a little is a little bit

1375
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: let's just say, like not crazier, but just we're all

1376
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: like a little bit more like destabilized by the idea

1377
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 3: of like death being everywhere.

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Speaker 6: And even if you're because look I think a lot

1379
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 6: of people look myself included, it's you want to move

1380
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 6: on from the pandemic. You want to not think about it,

1381
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 6: you want to see things as back to normal. But

1382
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 6: there's no denying that everyone went we went through a

1383
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 6: world mass trauma. And something I ask in the special

1384
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 6: is how do you acknowledge death but continue to live?

1385
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 6: How do you not completely compartmentalize the idea that death

1386
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 6: is going to happen because that leaves you unprepared, right,

1387
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 6: and we need to be prepared for the next pandemic.

1388
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 6: And when they say, you know, lock down or wear

1389
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 6: a mask, we need to understand where that's coming from

1390
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 6: as opposed to it being this random foreign thing. But

1391
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 6: you can't let it consume you because we're all going

1392
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 6: to die, and that's a part of life. Everything that's

1393
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 6: alive dies. Also, American culture is not is so anti death.

1394
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 6: It's so like bootstraps, the green light at the end

1395
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 6: of the dock. Ye great, Like it's all like look

1396
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 6: to the future. I think other cultures are better about

1397
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 6: integrating death, which is why going back, even for I

1398
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 6: think secular people going back to like religious ritual when

1399
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 6: someone dies is really telling that there is a ritual.

1400
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 6: Like I'm an atheist, I still crave ritual. There's something

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01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 6: grounding about it that our American culture isn't providing, especially

1402
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 6: when it comes to death.

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: There literally is no space.

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 3: Let's just even talk about like oh, like you grieve

1405
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 3: your bereft and then come back to work in like

1406
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 3: a week. Yeah, it's like there is something nice about

1407
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 3: like let's say like sitting shiver or like doing like

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01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 3: an Asian kind of funeral where it's like a full

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01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 3: week or two weeks or whatever.

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01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 6: You know, it's like there's a reason that there's a

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01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 6: time that that. Yeah, there's like a week or two

1412
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 6: in so many cultures because you need that time to process.

1413
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 6: And I talked to a lot of people who saw

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01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 6: the live show who came up and talked to me

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01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 6: after the show, and like, there were numerous people who

1416
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 6: were like, my mom died two years ago, and people

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01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 6: are like, Okay, when are you gonna be over this?

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Speaker 1: Ah?

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01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 6: And that you can tell people are uncomfortable around death.

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Speaker 6: There's this amazing camp called Camp comfort Zone. It's a

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01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 6: grief camp for children.

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01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 6: And I went up for a day to see it

1424
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 6: a couple months ago because my friend wrote a movie

1425
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 6: that we're trying to get made about these children's grief camps.

1426
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 6: And I was talking to some of the kids there

1427
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 6: and they're like some of them were saying, like I

1428
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 6: even get bullied because a parent died. And I'm like,

1429
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 6: what is that? What do you mean they're bullied? And

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01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 6: they were just saying, like, people are uncomfortable. They don't

1431
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 6: know what to say, they don't know.

1432
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Speaker 5: What to do.

1433
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 6: So some people don't want to talk about it. Some

1434
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 6: people need to make jokes. We're so uncomfortable because we

1435
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 6: think it could then happen to us. And for so

1436
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 6: long I think I put people dying suddenly in this

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01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 6: far off place. Well, this is something that happens in

1438
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 6: far off countries. This doesn't happen to me. And then

1439
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 6: it happened, and it's like, oh no, yeah, this could happen.

1440
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 6: And that's why having a baby during that time was

1441
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 6: so triggering because babies, you're told that there are so

1442
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 6: many ways babies are fragile and can die and the

1443
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 6: baby can't babies can't do shit, like it's called the

1444
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 6: fourth trimester. Because babies, human babies are born premature because

1445
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 6: it has to do with I apologize any scientists. I

1446
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 6: think it's as our brains got bigger, our heads got bigger,

1447
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 6: but also we became bipedal, so our hips narrowed and

1448
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 6: the two don't work together, and so basically to get

1449
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 6: children out of the birth canal before the mother dies,

1450
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 6: they have to be born premature. So big human babies

1451
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 6: are especially really really helpless.

1452
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: Crazy that like evolutionarily, that like works out for.

1453
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 6: Us, because also it's still a work in progress, no totally,

1454
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 6: we're still like we're still evolving. Nature kind of hasn't

1455
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 6: figured this out yet, right.

1456
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like the only reason we've lasted this

1457
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 3: long as bipedal animals with whatever developing brains as we're

1458
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 3: out of the womb, it's like it's because literally because

1459
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 3: we have thumbs, because we can cold our infants. Yes,

1460
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: that is kind of the only right, Yeah, it's thumbs.

1461
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 3: Thumbs are so important.

1462
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: But there is a thing though, babies you'll see. No,

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01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: you can't hold a baby like that.

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01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 6: There isn't babies do where a little baby you'll see

1465
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 6: them go? And what that is? What that is is

1466
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 6: I feel like I wake up doing this. Yeah, so

1467
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 6: that's an instinct of when we were still apes and

1468
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 6: lived in trees that a baby would grab the mom

1469
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 6: so not fall out of the whoa, So you see

1470
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 6: a little baby go wow.

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Speaker 1: Would you characterize like the feelings that because you don't

1472
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: really call it this in a special but would you

1473
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: call it postpartum anxiety what you had?

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01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I kind of had some pre part

1475
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 6: of anxiety too, like I had. Being nauseous made me

1476
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 6: very anxious and depressed, especially in my first trimester.

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01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, And were you very nauseous.

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01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 6: I was very nauseous. Sorry, Yeah, I think I had

1479
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 6: post part of anxiety, but it was so wrapped up

1480
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 6: in Greefs and the pandemic. Would I have had postpartum anxiety?

1481
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: But yes, it just reminds me of one of those

1482
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: things like we were talking about, like you know, all

1483
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: the nerve endings and like that that were talking about

1484
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: like that women have. Like it's like, you know, I

1485
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: think maybe because I watch like some Real Housewives shows

1486
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,919
Speaker 1: like and I hear them use the words postpart of anxiety,

1487
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: which is different than postpartum depression, and like you just

1488
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: don't hear it talked about. But you have to imagine

1489
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: that people women have been experiencing postpartum anxiety forever. Yeah,

1490
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: but you feel like it's only recently something that's being

1491
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: differentiated from postpartum depression, or being differentiated from any other

1492
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: feeling that you would have as a as a new

1493
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: mom or like an impending.

1494
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 6: Mother, because anxiety is you can cover anxiety a little

1495
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 6: bit more because anxiety is an I'm on prozac for anxiety.

1496
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,799
Speaker 6: I'm much more of a proactive spiraler, and that includes

1497
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 6: my intrusive thoughts where it's like my thoughts go on overload,

1498
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 6: and the way my psychiatrist had described it was it

1499
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 6: was kind of two sides of the same pendulum, or

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01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 6: it's like the pendulum swings anxiety depression, but it's fundamentally

1501
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 6: the same chemical imbalance is going on. I think, yeah,

1502
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 6: I think that, like we think postpartum depression and the

1503
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 6: image is someone laying around unable to function.

1504
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't look at my kid.

1505
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 6: Postpartum anxiety is can't look away.

1506
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that.

1507
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 6: Also, like women are neurotic, So it's I mean, there's

1508
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 6: so much I think that we're still realizing about the

1509
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 6: way mental health has been portrayed for years, like in

1510
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 6: the media that like a character is like neurotic, it's like, oh,

1511
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 6: well they should have been medicated, right totally. Like I

1512
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 6: feel like anxiety because it's active, masks itself as other things,

1513
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 6: and depression is so undeniable, where it's like someone laying

1514
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 6: around who can't do anything, like in the commercial for

1515
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 6: like What's Latuda. I feel like Liltuda is one of

1516
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 6: the commercials I've seen, and I think, I feel like

1517
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 6: this's our bipolar but it's like someone laying around. It

1518
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 6: is very easy for an actor act aut as opposed

1519
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 6: to like.

1520
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, The complexity is of like what the fuck is going?

1521
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: Because that what it.

1522
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 6: Looks like what I'm having. And ever since I my pros,

1523
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 6: I actually haven't had a proper like intrusive thought. I

1524
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 6: don't know the intrusive thought and anxiety they kind of

1525
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 6: go together. It's complicated. Yeah, but when either way, when

1526
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 6: I'm anxious, what it looks like is this? It looks

1527
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 6: like yeah, because I go into freeze, right, there's fight

1528
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 6: flight freeze. I go into freeze. So how do you

1529
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 6: in a commercial for Latuda?

1530
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: How do you close up on the eyes?

1531
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 6: That's less that's less evocative.

1532
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: Than like yeah, then like.

1533
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 3: Wait, Donnie, can we get a tight close on Rachel's eyes?

1534
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 3: Actually does an anxiety a neurosis?

1535
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: So this is what it could be. Give it to

1536
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: her for drama? Who won Drama the year? You wan? Comedy?

1537
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: Do you know you said it?

1538
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 6: I think it was Sarah Paulson.

1539
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: Iconic. Have you guys ever met I think once? Do

1540
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: you ever rubbed statues? Matthew?

1541
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 6: Like literally like a statue rubbing up against another statue?

1542
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: What is the TCA?

1543
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 5: What is it?

1544
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: Is it a little man, No, it's a glass. Men

1545
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 1: can be glass and women can be serious. When I

1546
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: won the.

1547
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 6: TCA, there was I want to say it was a

1548
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 6: guy who wasn't even in the organization any where. He

1549
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 6: was there. He was kind of groping me right in

1550
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 6: front of my husband. It was like a problem, and

1551
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 6: I was so afraid of like making him mad at me.

1552
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 6: I didn't do anything. Now now I would be like, hey, no, yeah,

1553
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 6: but he was like he kept trying to like plyme

1554
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 6: me with more drinks, and he was like getting grabby

1555
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 6: with my waist and Gregor was right there and he

1556
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 6: and I were both it was so weird. We didn't

1557
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 6: know what to do because we were like laughing it off.

1558
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 6: Now now I think I would have been like, oh, dude.

1559
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you would that is it because you're a mom.

1560
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 6: I think now we're post me too.

1561
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1562
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 6: And also I'm.

1563
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 1: I was in my late.

1564
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 8: One.

1565
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 6: No I was maybe I was just turned three. I

1566
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 6: don't know. I'm older now and I'm just like and

1567
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 6: I think I also and everything seems so tenuous that

1568
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 6: first year or two of the show, where it's like, oh,

1569
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 6: if I get mad at someone, I'm going to ruin

1570
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 6: this now I'd be like, you know what, me telling

1571
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 6: one guy to keep his hands off me is not

1572
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 6: going to ruin my career. In fact, he deserves to

1573
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 6: be called out right. We're in much more of a

1574
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 6: culture of like that's not okay.

1575
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I'm still you know what.

1576
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 6: There was a guy who came up to me after

1577
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 6: like my off Broadway show and he was like there

1578
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 6: with his son, and he like kissed me on the

1579
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 6: cheek and I went, I went whoa. And I didn't

1580
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 6: know what to do because it wasn't even, it wasn't

1581
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 6: gross and gropy, it was just weird. And I went okay,

1582
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 6: and I didn't know what to say. I didn't say,

1583
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 6: how fucking dare you? I do know what to do.

1584
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 6: And then that guy came back to his credit and

1585
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 6: he went, hey, I realize the other day I came

1586
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 6: telling that was over, that was weird.

1587
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

1588
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 6: He's like my son pointed out that was weird, all right,

1589
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 6: but like it's a lot harder. It's very easy to say,

1590
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 6: and this is a whole other thing about like sexual harassment.

1591
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 6: It's very easy to say, like if someone touches you

1592
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 6: in a way, you say no. When you're actually in

1593
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 6: the moment and someone is getting gropy or touching. It's

1594
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 6: really hard. We don't give anyone a template for being

1595
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 6: a denier or a rejector. We don't learn, we don't

1596
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 6: practice saying no, we don't practice boundaries. We talk about it,

1597
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 6: and it's a like you know, Instagram poetry, like you

1598
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 6: go girl. You know, it's like it's like the like

1599
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 6: if someone is in near space, tell them to get

1600
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 6: out of your space. How do you actually do that?

1601
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: Right?

1602
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 6: We don't practice that enough.

1603
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are almost no time.

1604
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 3: I mean, not to connect dots too much, but like

1605
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 3: it's it's this thing of like acknowledgment, Like we don't

1606
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 3: know how to acknowledge these very prevalent well whatever, these

1607
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 3: like facts of life about with like death or with

1608
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 3: like people being violatory or something. It's like how do

1609
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 3: you to point it out as like the hardest part,

1610
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 3: and yet it is like the first thing that has

1611
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 3: to happen in order for anything to like be better.

1612
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: Does that makes sense?

1613
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 4: Yeah? I know.

1614
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 6: I was also thinking about like now when someone is

1615
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 6: in a scandal or whatever, the way that they get

1616
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 6: out of is like they just don't say anything. They

1617
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 6: make it go away, and which is the opposite of

1618
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 6: what we're taught as a kid is to apologize. I

1619
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 6: feel like, not all apologies, but I feel like the

1620
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 6: more you say, even though we're taught to apologize, the

1621
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 6: more it makes things worse. Yeah, sometimes, which is like

1622
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 6: such a fucked up, weird lesson.

1623
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh not always.

1624
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 6: Not always. There are some good apologies, And a lot

1625
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 6: of the time it's when someone's apologizing for like a scandal,

1626
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 6: it's because they're also explaining it. They're not actually apologizing,

1627
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 6: They're they're giving up a very defensive explanation.

1628
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like, as having.

1629
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 6: A kid now, I think about this, like what do

1630
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 6: I tell her about personal boundaries? And I tell her

1631
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 6: like if someone hugs you say I don't want to

1632
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 6: be hugged right now, and they're getting She's very good

1633
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 6: about that, and I want to and I want I

1634
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 6: want to keep that into her teenage and adulthood because

1635
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 6: she's not ashamed about saying I don't want to give

1636
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 6: a hug right now, and like keep that.

1637
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that that's great. She already drank her juice.

1638
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 6: Jers and spilling tea.

1639
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, is now the segment that

1640
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: we're going to do, and also what I say to

1641
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: anyone who comes to me and wants to hug just kidding,

1642
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 1: I actually am a hugger.

1643
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 6: Oh a hug I'm a hugger too.

1644
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: I know we're all huggers here. Need someone to hug

1645
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: me close. I don't think Soney is a segment. Do

1646
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: you have any notes on the last episode.

1647
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 6: That you really want to No, No, this is a

1648
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 6: I talk about in the episode. I talk about talking

1649
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 6: to Adam that I had been in town. I think

1650
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 6: doing some pres events with ad him.

1651
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: He really was the best.

1652
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 6: He was the best, and so I think we had

1653
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 6: just done we did a thing at Lincoln's Center in

1654
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 6: that beautiful room that overlooks uh. We we'd done like

1655
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 6: a crazy X concert. Anyway, So listening to that and

1656
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 6: that's you know, he's now gone and be like, oh,

1657
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 6: but in that episode he's a love I know.

1658
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1659
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 3: I think in the episode we also just talk about

1660
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 3: I'm sure we went on about Mountain Dwayne and about

1661
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 3: his genius about the show obvious.

1662
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 6: I don't know if we did, but but noted we

1663
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 6: have on the show.

1664
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: We have we've certainly talked about on the show.

1665
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 6: I put on my sunglasses, not for that, but for

1666
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 6: I don't think.

1667
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: So honey good And then this is like the good

1668
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: energy to bring into it. I am doing it. I

1669
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: don't think so honey today. And it's sort of pointing inward.

1670
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna I'm actually gonna flip the form a

1671
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 1: little bit. Oh, and I'm going to connect it to

1672
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,600
Speaker 1: the iconic four hundred, which we just did because we

1673
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: forgot somebody, so I'm gonna do I'm gonna use this

1674
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 1: time to give that person their flowers. This is amazing. Okay,

1675
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so many

1676
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: as time starts now, I don't think so honey. We

1677
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,759
Speaker 1: didn't put Barbara Streis in on the X four hundred,

1678
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: and this is a huge mistake. And I'm going to

1679
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: use the let's say fifty seconds from now on to

1680
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: give you more than thirty you would have gotten Barber Streisan.

1681
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: You are the one and the only. I didn't grow

1682
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: up with anything that wasn't funny girl. We were a

1683
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,759
Speaker 1: funny girl house. In fact, we were such a funny

1684
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: girl house that we were also a funny lady house.

1685
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. About Funny Lady not as good

1686
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: as Funny Girl. But if you really want to get

1687
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: into the fg CU the Funny Girl Cinematic University, have

1688
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 1: to watch Funny Ladies, in which Fanny Bryce has another

1689
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: relationship that proves to be challenging because when you are

1690
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: Fanny Bryce, you have a lot of responsibilities, you have

1691
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: a lot of complexities, you have a lot to live

1692
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: up to, and you have these men in your life

1693
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: who are gonna, like not necessarily give you their best

1694
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: because they're not good with themselves. And Barbara, you nailed that.

1695
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: You nail it all the time. You are one of

1696
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: the greatest singers of all time. I can't believe it's

1697
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 1: only five seconds, Barbara streis In, Welcome to that kind

1698
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: of four hundred in theory. I don't think so, honey,

1699
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: that we've got you the first time.

1700
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 6: And that's one minute the Funny Girl Cinematic Universe to FDC.

1701
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is such an oversight. We forgot

1702
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: her and that was crazy, Barbra back in Brooklyn. Back

1703
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, Oh, that was one of the great concerts.

1704
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: When but Sudi and I went to go see Barbara

1705
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: streis In at the Barclays Center. Oh wow, scene, there

1706
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: was a moment. It was twenty sixteen, and she of

1707
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: course got political and there was one woman like fifteen

1708
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: rows behind us. We already were in bed seats, the

1709
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 1: one woman in the entire Barclays Center at Barbara Streisan

1710
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: that was like shut up, shut up, shut up, this

1711
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: one Trump woman screaming in the back, Like what did

1712
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: you think was gonna happen when you came to Barbara

1713
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: in like in Brooklyn October.

1714
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 6: Twee people with weird. There's a bit that I've been

1715
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 6: wanting to do, like I want to have like a

1716
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 6: merged section of my website. I don't know how to

1717
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 6: do this, which is called bumper stickers for no One,

1718
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 6: which would have bumper stickers that don't describe anyone. And

1719
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 6: like one of my ideas is like I'm a gun

1720
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 6: totin Bible thumping Nathan Lane super fan, and I vote vote.

1721
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 6: What is someone that doesn't exist Trump or the streisand concerts.

1722
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: I'm a Barbara streisand trucker and I vote.

1723
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 6: I love, Like, yeah, that doesn't make but there's someone,

1724
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 6: there's one person out there.

1725
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 3: There's definitely why Nathan Lane super Nathan Lane, Nathan Fielder,

1726
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 3: Nathan Lane, Nathan.

1727
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: For one second, I'm willing to bet that there are

1728
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: more more Trump people like Fielder fans and Nathan Lean

1729
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: fans of course, because they're like in the.

1730
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 6: Lion King and do they love the Lion. But I

1731
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 6: don't know if they're Nathan Like you'd have to who

1732
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 6: knows a lot about Nathan Lane?

1733
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: Who is who is a gun? And Lindsay Graham. Yeah

1734
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: they're out there, Yeah.

1735
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 6: They're out there. I love those people who are anomalies

1736
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:07,879
Speaker 6: where it's like you don't make sense.

1737
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: You're you're building fun then diagrams.

1738
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1739
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: I had an art I had an art teacher in

1740
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,839
Speaker 1: high school who was like had like a cool haircut

1741
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: and like played Aretha Franklin for us, and she was

1742
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: also the track coach and also the like and she

1743
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: was like a guidance counselor. She was like all did

1744
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: all these things, and she was like we would always jam,

1745
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: like we would always like eat lunch together. And I

1746
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: remember she like loved Adam Lambert. She was like obsessed

1747
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: and she was like a hardcore Republican. Yeah, it's just

1748
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: like it's people are out there doing their things.

1749
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 6: But also when we were growing up Republican but also Republicans.

1750
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 6: The country was less, it was more open to like

1751
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 6: your personal interpretation, and with some people it was just

1752
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 6: more fiscal.

1753
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I don't know what it was, I actually,

1754
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: but I remember it took me back even then. And

1755
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,560
Speaker 1: now it's like those people that were you know, you

1756
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: knew like way back when that were Republicans, like you

1757
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: kind of wonder like where they're falling now.

1758
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 6: I just ran into a friend who is Mormon, still Mormon,

1759
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 6: and I go and we talked about church and I

1760
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 6: didn't even ask her about political stuff. I went, oh,

1761
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 6: are you still going to church? She goes, yep, I

1762
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 6: go to church every Sunday and I vote for whoever

1763
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 6: I want.

1764
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: Okay, and means probably a good thing. That she meant yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

1765
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: lovely Bowe Young Jev. I don't think so, honey. I'm

1766
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: gonna do something.

1767
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 3: And I just confirmed it by searching through the list

1768
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,839
Speaker 3: of the iconic four hundred And also there was another emission.

1769
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: Okayody, we're making things right. This is Bowen Yang's. I

1770
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't

1771
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: think so, honey.

1772
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 3: Us for not including Whitney Houston in the iconic I

1773
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 3: cannot believe that we, as gay music loving men, did

1774
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 3: not acknowledge the template formed with Whitney Houston, someone who

1775
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 3: went through tremendous personal challenges to give us some of

1776
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 3: the most celebrated in music in the last forty years,

1777
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 3: let's say fifty years. I'm not going to make it

1778
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 3: time bound, but I can't believe that we would do

1779
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 3: we would do that. You all have permission to walk

1780
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 3: up to us in a public setting and chastise brates

1781
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 3: hit us. There's there are no boundaries. We left out

1782
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 3: Whitney Houston and Barbara streisand four hundred.

1783
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm here to apologize. This is I mean, it's not

1784
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: an apologize. If it's an apologized that we left out

1785
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston five, I apologize that we offended you, that

1786
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 1: we disappointed the community and sing for them. I have

1787
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: not seen her in concert like you've seen Barbara. That

1788
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: is one minute. Do you want to sing something from

1789
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 1: Whitney for you?

1790
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 4: Any boys went out to eat, then they went out,

1791
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 4: but you came home around me.

1792
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: Then for cheap Yeah, because only.

1793
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 4: I found it a credit card receipts.

1794
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 8: It's not right, but it's okay. I'm gonna make it

1795
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 8: any way, do bag. Don't you going back to me?

1796
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think we got it across. We got it across.

1797
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: Glasses off. Thank you from a vocalist. This means everything.

1798
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: Oh it was great. Did you come prepared today with

1799
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't think so money. All right, here we go,

1800
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: get ready. This is Rachel Blooms. I don't think so, honey.

1801
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: Her time starts now.

1802
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 6: I don't think so, honey. I'm talking to you rowdy

1803
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 6: fourteen year old boys and children's parks. I don't think

1804
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 6: so honey. When you're standing on the swing that my

1805
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 6: daughter's waiting to sit on and actually use the swing properly,

1806
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 6: and you're rattling the swing, that's not my problem. I

1807
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 6: don't think so honey. You are not meant to go

1808
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 6: on these jungle gyms and step on my child's hand.

1809
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 6: I don't think so honey.

1810
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: Here's thing.

1811
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 6: If this were hundreds of years ago, you'd already be

1812
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 6: a father, you'd already be you'd already.

1813
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 1: Be a man.

1814
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,719
Speaker 6: Go home and be a man, Go home and june

1815
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 6: your homework. Honey, Parks are not for you anymore. I

1816
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 6: don't think so, honey, if you want to go and

1817
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 6: build a park for post pubescent boys or should I

1818
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 6: say men, that's your business. But my child wants to

1819
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 6: go on the slide, and you are sticking it up

1820
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 6: with your teenage boh, and you're scaring her. You're stomping

1821
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 6: with your friends and you're laughing, and I can just

1822
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 6: tell that you're probably gonna smoke. I don't think, so, honey,

1823
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 6: can do nothing. Second step on my children's hands. And

1824
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 6: that's what I just keep I just feel like there

1825
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 6: are a lot of hands getting stepped on. I don't

1826
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 6: think so, honey.

1827
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,560
Speaker 1: Yes, that was really important, Rachel, and I have to

1828
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: say it. So I have to confront myself here because

1829
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: last week I took my parents to like a vacation

1830
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: spot and there was there was a pool with a slide,

1831
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: and I said to myself, Oh, fun a slide, and

1832
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 1: then it's said on there you must be under fourteen

1833
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 1: to do the slide, and I remember my first instinct

1834
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: was to be like, well, this is the ageist and

1835
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: I want to do the slide. And then I was like, Matt,

1836
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 1: you are thirty four. You did the slide so many

1837
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: times and a time that it was appropriate for you.

1838
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: It's just not appropriate for you to do this slide.

1839
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: This slide slides in general. You can go you can

1840
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: go to any water park and do the slide. Seriously, yeah,

1841
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: this slide, It's okay. Let the kids play on the slide.

1842
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 6: Here's what I would argue that you could have done

1843
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 6: the slide, because here's what my I think, so honey

1844
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 6: was about. I actually have no problem with middle schoolers

1845
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 6: or like high schoolers coming to a park and using

1846
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 6: things properly, in an organized, non rowdy way. If you're

1847
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 6: fifteen or sixteen and you want to actually go on

1848
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 6: the swings for an appropriate amount of time, I get it.

1849
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 6: I do that too. It's the thing where they stand

1850
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 6: on the swing and they say the fucking thing and

1851
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 6: then they're running around and like they're not they're not

1852
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 6: using the equipment right properly. You being on that slide

1853
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 6: is fine with me.

1854
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: Is there the resort? Totally? Do you feel compelled to

1855
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,520
Speaker 1: speak to these teenagers?

1856
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna get fucking Karen.

1857
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: No totally.

1858
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 6: And I was gonna ask, like, no, I just I

1859
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 6: just give them withering glances, and you know what, they

1860
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 6: don't notice, nor do they and you know, also doesn't

1861
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 6: seem to notice my daughter. She doesn't care. I'm the

1862
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 6: only person caring.

1863
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: That's important. You don't want her hand to stomped on.

1864
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 6: It happened when she was young. I don't think she remembers,

1865
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 6: but like.

1866
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: But like, God, what I would struggle with as a

1867
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: parent is be like, I want to yell at these other.

1868
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 6: Kids, but yeah, it's it's hard.

1869
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: God, I mean, other kids are fucking I also.

1870
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 6: Don't want to get made fun of my middle schoolers. Again,

1871
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 6: I already went through that in middle school. I'm a

1872
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 6: little afraid of the withering things they'll say to me.

1873
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 6: If I'm like, excuse me, my child wants to use

1874
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 6: the wings.

1875
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: We'll talk about no boundaries. They'll just be like, shut up,

1876
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: fucking bitch.

1877
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 6: Like they'll just and then and then I start crying.

1878
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you really just felt you could say that

1879
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: and just did exactly exactly.

1880
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,719
Speaker 6: I don't want to have someone yell at me, because.

1881
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing about middle school boys is that they'll

1882
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: just say any really to harm you, whereas like middle

1883
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 1: school girls will like they're starting to develop like passive

1884
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: aggressiveness and like social bullying. But middle school boys will

1885
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: just be like verbally, but.

1886
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 6: Middle school girls are more like a guy the swing

1887
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 6: and then like they'll be talking to each other and

1888
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 6: like looking away and you know they're being mean, but

1889
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 6: they still got off the swing.

1890
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 1: It's psychological as opposed to like visceral. Yeah, here's I

1891
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: don't know that those are binary, but okay, what you're saying,

1892
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: it's non binary. This is unlike a woman is serving me.

1893
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 3: How do you feel about the trope of let's say

1894
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 3: it's a grounded comedy drama, ye, adults on a swing

1895
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 3: at night for like a really close, intimate sort of like,

1896
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 3: I think it's fine.

1897
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 6: I think I think it's if see in real life,

1898
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 6: it's very sweet. So many parts aren't open at night, right,

1899
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 6: that's actually the problem is that the plot parks are closed.

1900
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 3: I kind of I don't think I mnded in movies either.

1901
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 3: If I see it in real life, then I go,

1902
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 3: why are those two grown ass people sitting on the swing?

1903
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 1: I go sex offender, and then I start calling the

1904
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: police because I'm Karen, and I get I get.

1905
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 9: That that's the right way to If I see adults

1906
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 9: at night on a playground, I go sex offender and

1907
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 9: I get my phone down, I go nine one one.

1908
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: My girls call me Karen. I go, yes, Kamala, this

1909
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: is Matt. I need you down here. Thank you for

1910
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: your service, and thank you. Then blue Line Rachel Bloom

1911
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: for com I can't believe this is only your second

1912
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 1: time in seven and a half years. We can't take

1913
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: this song a break again.

1914
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 6: Have me on every week.

1915
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'll just sit here.

1916
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:58,719
Speaker 6: I don't even need to say anything.

1917
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll well, you could, that would be helpful.

1918
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 6: Tend to be like your backup pianist with no pianos.

1919
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you're but Rachel shows up and the conversation flows.

1920
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: This is late death. Let me do my special now

1921
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: on Netflix and give it a.

1922
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:22,919
Speaker 6: Double thumbs up because that helps the algorithm.

1923
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:24,799
Speaker 1: Yes, algorithm, isn't.

1924
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 6: That weird as opposed to a single thumbs up, just

1925
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 6: any sort of reaction to it. But the double thumbs up,

1926
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,640
Speaker 6: I mean single thumbs up is also good. But how

1927
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:33,799
Speaker 6: often do you do that on Netflix?

1928
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: Though?

1929
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 5: I never do.

1930
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 1: I just did. I just started doing it.

1931
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 6: I did it for a show about Mermaids that my

1932
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 6: daughter liked, because I'm like, I gotta start Yeah, paying

1933
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 6: it forward.

1934
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 1: We got to move out of Gabby's dollhouse.

1935
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 6: So there's this show. It's called like Mermaid Accounty is

1936
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 6: a whole thing. They have cornered. Netflix has figured out

1937
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 6: the Little Girl brain scared. That sounds creepy, but it's not.

1938
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 1: If you say so, you know the Tiger is that Netflix?

1939
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 6: No, that's it's PBSBS.

1940
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that's that's the one to watch.

1941
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 6: PBS is great.

1942
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Speaker 1: We'd love PBS. And with that thought we end every

1943
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Speaker 1: episode of the song. It's not right, but it's okay.

1944
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it anyway.

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Speaker 10: Who's behind you? I'd rather be lowe man, you're looking

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Speaker 10: a fool.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 3: Last Culture Racist is the production by Will Ferrell's Big

1949
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Speaker 3: Money Players and then My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

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Speaker 1: Executive produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Soni.

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Speaker 3: Produced by Beck Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Bamiy Andnikla

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Speaker 3: Board and our music.

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Speaker 1: Is by Henrik Mirsky. Hey everybody, it's me Matt Rogers,

1955
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Speaker 1: letting you know. Tickets are on sale now to see

1956
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Speaker 1: me on tour, The Prince of Christmas Tour. That is,

1957
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Speaker 1: I'm doing my whole album Have You Heard Of Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Plus a lot more with the whole band all throughout December.

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Speaker 1: Go to www dot mattrogersofficial dot com to see me

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Speaker 1: in a city near you.