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Speaker 2: Those words precede some sort of horrific situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're

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Speaker 1: Jack and Tyler, and we are on a mission to

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Speaker 1: find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode,

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Speaker 1: we are covering the Millennium Wave. We're changing the names.

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Speaker 1: This is Waves with Names now with legendary big wave

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Speaker 1: surfer wellness expert in my favorite waterman of all time,

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Speaker 1: Lared Hamilton. We get into talking writing the heaviest waves

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Speaker 1: of all time.

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Speaker 2: It was the wave that represented a dream, cometry that's poetic,

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Speaker 2: not on purpose.

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Speaker 1: We get into Laird's relationship with the shark community.

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Speaker 2: First time I'm there, dive down and just get a

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Speaker 2: bad feeling.

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Speaker 1: And surfing the perfect storm? Now, could you surf the

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Speaker 1: perfect storm?

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Speaker 2: We we're working on Let's go.

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Speaker 1: It's my fuck and we're going to answer so some

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Speaker 1: of your fantasy football questions. You gotta stick around to

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Speaker 1: the very end awesome interview. Let's Go Games with Names

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Speaker 3: August seventeenth, two thousand, Tayupu, Tahiti. The swell was mean

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Speaker 3: and heavy waves were giant, but a legend and his

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Speaker 1: This is the heaviest wave ever ridden. Welcome to Games

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Speaker 1: with Names Today, we are looking at the Millennium wave.

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Speaker 1: August seventeenth, two thousand. In one sentence, we got we

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Speaker 1: got larired Hamilton here, guys, I'm a little nervous. I'm

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's been a legend. I mean I can remember watching

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Speaker 1: a real quick question the what is it called with

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Speaker 1: out of the water foil? The foil? Did you get

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Speaker 1: I remember I was watching this kid and back in

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Speaker 1: like you know Lake Barriessa, I'm I'm a lake kid.

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Speaker 1: There's just like a sandbar and this guy was over

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Speaker 1: So that is that where the foil got the inspo. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: A whole new world, dude, because if we watched your

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Speaker 1: So let's let's get into what we're actually talking about.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the Millennium wave YEP in two thousand,

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Speaker 2: Because it was the it was the wave that represented.

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Speaker 1: A dream come true, the wave that represented a dream

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Speaker 2: That's poetic, not on purpose, that really is well. You

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Speaker 6: That's like Brady's favorite ring, the next one.

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Speaker 1: Now, I watched your doc and I'm going off script

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Speaker 1: and not even to ask this, but there's this thing

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Speaker 1: I say that. No, I'm very similar to that because

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Speaker 1: then and then afterwards you're sitting there like, well, now

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Speaker 2: are all curious people. They're just curious. They're always interested

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Speaker 1: Like you know, So curiosity didn't kill a cat, I

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Speaker 1: Could you take us through your day? What's your day

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Speaker 1: Now, so it's seasonal.

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Speaker 2: My life is pretty It's always been seasonal. You know

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Speaker 1: It's just because she's seven and it's really just beginning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting called bro. Yeah, like you're seven years old.

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Speaker 1: But the apple doesn't fall too far from the fucking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now what's this? So, like, what's your daily training? Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated with like your training mechanism. So you

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Speaker 2: I like diversity, I mean, I like, I like, I

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Speaker 2: I like it to be a little diverse. I try

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Speaker 2: on is some of these movies. There's one movie where

436
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: they had these little it was a cartoon, but there

437
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: was like these little tiny guys riding these giant but

438
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: there were just drawings, but there was like ant Man.

439
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: It was like little we call it ant Man, where

440
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 2: there's little tiny guys writing huge ways. And you know,

441
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: it was like in my head, you're thinking, man, wouldn't

442
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 2: it be amazing to be able to do that, like

443
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: ride waves giant like that would be that little and

444
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 2: the waves would be so big and stuff. But so

445
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: the influence of that kind of stuff definitely visualization. Yeah.

446
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now when you were a kid, you're watching these movies,

447
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: your your dad's Bill Hamilton or your stepdad's Bill Hamilton.

448
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 1: He's a fucking rad surfer. Yeah, Like who was your

449
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: hero growing up as a kid. Was it a surfer

450
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: or was it someone else?

451
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: The guys that I really admired were the next were

452
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: like older than my dad. So my dad, because my

453
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: dad was young like he was he was he technically

454
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: was like an older older brother. And so the guys

455
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: that I looked up to were a little they were

456
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: a little more savage. They were looking like these older

457
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: crustier like go swim when there was huge storm and

458
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 2: you know, die, and they just were they were like

459
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: a little more you know. There's like Jose Angel was

460
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: a was a crazy guy. And this guy Warren Harlowe

461
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: who's like a nuclear physicist, had an incredible family, but

462
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: just a stud like go out when it was giant.

463
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: So I had I had guys that I men that

464
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: I saw that I I would say admired, But they

465
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: weren't my dad's generation. They were the old the old

466
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: time guys that were and they were and they were

467
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: all big, you know, big wave riders. So that I

468
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: just liked the and what we say watermen in Hawaii.

469
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: You know, they were divers and sailors and fishermen and

470
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: they just did all the things in the ocean. But yeah,

471
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: they would they would you would see them in these

472
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: conditions where it's you know, like evacuate and close the beaches,

473
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: and then the guys would just be out like another

474
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: day in the office, like just like, where's he going.

475
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna swim to Sunset Beach and then swim back

476
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: after and you're like, like, how is that even possible?

477
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: And so you kind of I mean I had that

478
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: as a reference. I go, oh, yeah, that those guys,

479
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: you know you can that's the stuff you can do.

480
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: And I don't know what it was, but I always

481
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: admired these guys that were like family men too, like

482
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: that they were dads and like they were respected in

483
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: the community. I thought that was for me somehow intuitively

484
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: that made that that made sense. Some of the party

485
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: guys stuff, I felt like that was sloppy. I thought

486
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: there was kind of a sloppiness to that. And so

487
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: I looked at the guys that were, like I said,

488
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: family man. They were dads, they were responsible, they they

489
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: had these traits that that I considered a man. I go,

490
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: that's a man, like because I was looking for man

491
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: a lot of it too, you know, because I didn't

492
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: have a dad and then I had a dad, and

493
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: and so I was always looking at you know, what

494
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: is man? What is man? How did? What does man do?

495
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: What is a man that I think? You know, what

496
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: do I think a man is? And what do they

497
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: look like?

498
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: That hits to me because my pops, his dad died

499
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: when he was two, and he's like such a stand

500
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: up guy and he was self taught and it could

501
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: be because of that not having that father figure in

502
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: his life. I mean, my dad grew up in trailer

503
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: parks and you know, the whole kit and kaboodle of

504
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: that life. And like, I don't understand if I didn't

505
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: have my dad, Like I feel like I would have

506
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: been fucking incarcerated, yes, or dead because I was a

507
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: wild child, you know what I mean. And and it's

508
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: just like that, that's that's cool to hear, especially in

509
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: your community because in that community, like you said, there's

510
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: some sloppy, crusty guys. Yeah, you know, it's that that way,

511
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: but like you always admired the family guy or like

512
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: the guy that had a shit right, you know that,

513
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty cool.

514
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: Well, maybe part of it was too, also the disappointment

515
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: because I had guys that I looked up to or

516
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: that I had like they were like you looked up

517
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: to him and then you saw him, you know, in

518
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: the park with a paper bag, all drunk or something stupid,

519
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: you know like that, and and that was like, I

520
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: go ooh, that's that. That was disappointing, Like you have

521
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: your hero, there's some guy just like, oh, that's my hero,

522
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: he's awesome. Then you see him and you're just like

523
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: what like So that I think that was another like yeah,

524
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: that was the other side.

525
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: Of it, the disappointment.

526
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: The disappointment.

527
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: Do you do you remember your first wave you ever caught.

528
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if it's stories or but

529
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: when I was really young, I mean I got pushed

530
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: into waves very young because my mom either had guys

531
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: that were trying to you know, butter up to her

532
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: or you know, I'll take him. I'll take a little

533
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: guy out and push him on the way. But the

534
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: one of my first I would say recollections, you know,

535
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was pushed into a little wave

536
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: in Lehina on Maui and I could have been just

537
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: suppose that I need a diaper. So it was I

538
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: fell on urchins and I had both my butt cheeks

539
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: impaled with urchins, and so I could sit down like

540
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: as you know, and you're like a little kid, so

541
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: you get you know, you learn that lesson quick like urchins.

542
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: Like I had a so that had I have a

543
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: lasting memory of that. But I got pushed into surf

544
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: and played in the shore break. I mean, my my, my,

545
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: my mom said I could swim before I could really walk.

546
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: She said I could crawl and go in the pool

547
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: and swim in the pool. I mean, whether that's true or.

548
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: Not, Mom's a rock star. She's just letting you go

549
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: do shit, like not scared or anything.

550
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom. My mom was a courageous woman, and

551
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 2: I don't think she had a choice. She said when

552
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: I was really young, I like when I was in

553
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 2: a crib and I undid all the thing and it

554
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: was they found me down the street. So I think

555
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: I put my mom in an early grave like between

556
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: my brother. My brother finished her off. I started it.

557
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: But you know, like like I think, I mean, my

558
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: mom was like, wow, you made it to twelve. Wow

559
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: you made it to thirteen. Wow you're fourteen. That's it's like,

560
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen miracle. Like it was like, so that

561
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 2: was the level because it was we were plus our

562
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: environment at the time, we were savages and just and

563
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: then we had an environment where we were free. And

564
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: so the combination of that was just oh yeah, it's

565
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: you know, stitches every week and this and what just

566
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: always something like always some some like is he gonna

567
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: make it? You know kind of thing. So, I mean,

568
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: I think like even in the film, they have me

569
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: jumping off a waterfall, like it's like some I don't know,

570
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: fifty sixty foot waterfall when I'm you know, six eight whatever.

571
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: It's just something, I mean, crazy stuff. But I'm like

572
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: a little kid with adults too. It was you know,

573
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: because that was a different time and being in Hawaii's different.

574
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: They the kids are with the adults. So when you're

575
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: with them, you know, like you're like you're a little

576
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: brother and you want to do with the so you're

577
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 2: sped up. Well, now if all the people that are

578
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: your older brothers are adults, then you're like, I'm in

579
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: like what are we doing? Like you think you're a

580
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: little man, so you're you're acting like a little man,

581
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: and which leads to a bunch of hard lessons.

582
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: But see, I I you have a little case of

583
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: that crazy which I've been told that I have that

584
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: as well. And I had a brother that was seven

585
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: years older than me, So like I was, I was

586
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: never scared of anyone because I used to get my

587
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: ass beat by my older brother, you know all the time,

588
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: or I was, I was mimicking what he was doing.

589
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: Like you said, it kind of like fast forwards, you

590
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: into that that role, you know what I mean, where

591
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: like fear pain. Yeah, it's not there.

592
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to do anything that my brother

593
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 2: hasn't already done twice.

594
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: So exactly when did you know surfing was for you?

595
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: When did I saw your doc and everything? But like,

596
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: was there a clear moment and I've done all the research.

597
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it was just I think

598
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: it was just like it was an unspoken thing that

599
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: that's what I was doing, just because it was where

600
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: I was, it was who I was around. It was

601
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: like you know, you're you're at the park and whatever

602
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: they're doing there, you're that's what you're doing. So all

603
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: the men I was around, the communities, I was in everything.

604
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: I mean, definitely young, I didn't know what route I

605
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: was gonna take. I've been told stories, obnoxious stories about

606
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: you know, I would tell guys, I'm going to be

607
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: the best and all this stuff, and but and they'd

608
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: be like, oh, shut up. You know, it's like because

609
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: you're a little kid and your your puffy chest. But

610
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: but young young, like young young, I knew I was

611
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: gonna I knew I was gonna do something in the surfing.

612
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: I just didn't know what it was. But again, you know,

613
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: you're around all these people, whether your stepdad's you know,

614
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: a well known surfer, and then you live in a

615
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: place that at the time when I was, you know, young,

616
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: there was our all the best surfers in the world

617
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: walked through our yard to surf pipeline, which was the

618
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: most aggressive wave in the world. You're there, You're like,

619
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: there they go. There, they're out there, out there surfing.

620
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: They come in. That guy's head got smashed on the reef.

621
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: That guy, you know, it's like you're just you're in that.

622
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: So for it was it was almost like, well, that

623
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: is the only thing I'm going to do. But I

624
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: had that in my head too, you know that I

625
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: I intutally since something was gonna I was gonna do.

626
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: I was hoping monumental. I didn't know what monument what

627
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: that looked like. And uh, and still don't to this day.

628
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's still an ongoing pursuit, and

629
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's it's a little bit out of your

630
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: hands kind of thing. You can relate to that. I

631
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: think too, it's a little bit out of your hands.

632
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: It is, you know. And it's also something to do

633
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: with parents or who who's raising you, you know that,

634
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: like the fact, like I had friends, I played football,

635
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: My brother was a football player. I was on the

636
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: fucking practice field when I was three years old. But

637
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: that was the coach run around diapers, doing the drills

638
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: and shit, you know what I mean. And once I

639
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: got there, the parents, like my parents didn't fear me

640
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: getting hurt or doing like they didn't care, you know,

641
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: like that that's what they liked.

642
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: You know.

643
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: I had a lot of friends they couldn't play football

644
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: or they couldn't do things because their parents were so

645
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: worried about, oh, something's gonna happen to him. So I

646
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: think that helped springboard me. And it clearly like you

647
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: was there ever a time your mom was like worried, like.

648
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Always worried, always always worried, but always always promoting that

649
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: you can do anything, you can do, you can be

650
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: anything and do anything. But worried because you know that's

651
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: what moms doing.

652
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but.

653
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: Are they worrying worrying about you and then not letting

654
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 2: you do it? Those are two different things. Yeah, you

655
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: can worry and still promote freedom. And so her whole

656
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: thing was freedom, like being free and choosing and being

657
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: able to do what you wanted to. That was the

658
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: thing that was the real you know, but be a

659
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 2: good person, you know, all these her things were more

660
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 2: important than that surfing. She could have cared lest year.

661
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: Was just probably saddened that I didn't go to college

662
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: and stuff that was for her, I think, a disappointment.

663
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: And then you know, her concern about my surfing was nothing.

664
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: It's like, what kind of person, what kind of man

665
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: are you? What are your values? What are your like?

666
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: All those things, be a good person, honesty, you know,

667
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: just the the important stuff her. But her yeah, go go,

668
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'll tell you a story about

669
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: my mom just to kind of give you something to understand.

670
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: Her mindset was that when I was ten years old,

671
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: she had an opportunity to take me on a trip

672
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: because she felt that traveling was very important because of

673
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: what you learned. So we went and her friend invited

674
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: her on a trip. We drove from Paris, France to Bombay, India,

675
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: and so we drove through the Kyber Pass, istanbul Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan.

676
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: I had my eleventh birthday in Afghanistan, and then we

677
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: finished in Bombay. I mean, and you're coming from Hawaii,

678
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: like you're coming from island, so you're yeah, I mean

679
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: I got coconut trees and papayas and you're like waterfalls

680
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: and and then you go, uh and you just the

681
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: impact that that had on me as a person was

682
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: it was powerful and and and probably influences you know

683
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: me to this day. Uh. But so that's the kind

684
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: of woman that that she was. That she was like, hey,

685
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: all you know, I think this is really important. And

686
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: she used to read me a bunch of all the

687
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: all the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the whole thing

688
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: front to back when I was really young, read me

689
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: Dune and Jonathan Living just all these really imagine it

690
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: like imagination building material. And and so I think that

691
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: that you know what cool trip.

692
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like and that does like I didn't travel. You know,

693
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: my dad Woul always say we're going across the pond

694
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: of Fremont. That was the bay, you know, from would

695
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: City to Fremont. We didn't have those kind of funds.

696
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: But like when I started traveling, you do you pick

697
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: up so much perspective on how other people live, on

698
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: what it's like in different places. And that's such a

699
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: that that had to be six weeks from Paris to Bombay.

700
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: That's like a lifetime. That's a trip of a lifetime.

701
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: Driving it too, well, it's closed and you can't even

702
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: go now.

703
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, ever since the what was it Iran Contra or

704
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: one of the one of the one of those big

705
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: things that there's no you can't drive. We drove through

706
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: the old Silk Trail and Kyber Pass. But I mean

707
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: like things that we learned was like there was a

708
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 2: kid I met. We slept in Afghanistan on the border

709
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: because they closed the border. It was just a metal

710
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: pipe across the road and you could drove around it,

711
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: but you didn't. So we stayed there and we were

712
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: this one kid had translator and the kid was we

713
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: were trying to explain that it was my birthday and

714
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: they were like he was like, oh, what's that and

715
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: they and then they're like, oh, that's the day you're born,

716
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, yeah, well he's moons old. So

717
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: like he was one hundred and twenty moons old, which

718
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: means he was ten and so and then there's like, okay,

719
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: there's a guy with a boomerang walking in the middle

720
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: of nowhere, like you're hundreds of miles from nowhere, and

721
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: he's only got one hand, and well, well he got

722
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: you know, he got caught stealing, and so they cut

723
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: his eating hand off and not only has his wiping hand,

724
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: so no one lets him eat communally. I mean, just

725
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: like all those kinds of you know, go to Bombay

726
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: and all the kids starving, and so then you get

727
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: home and you're like food, Yeah, it's awesome. Finish every food,

728
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: you know, appreciate the the abundance and stuff. So all

729
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: those things had had a I mean definitely had an

730
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: influence on my you know, and that Okay, hey, you

731
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: get to do this thing. It's surfing, Like you have

732
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: an ocean and you can surf, Like this is something

733
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: that not everybody gets to do, Like not everybody gets

734
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: to do this amazing thing. And so I think my

735
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, and I always had it. I

736
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: always had it with the ocean. But that's the grand master.

737
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: You know, the ocean's like the grand master. So you

738
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: get to learn from the grand master. And so that's

739
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: but that is a luxury. That's not like just not

740
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: everybody even knows what the ocean is. You're in the

741
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: middle of somewhere and they're like an ocean, Like what

742
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: is it even is that they see water in a flood?

743
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: You know, like crazy, we know more about space and

744
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: we do the ocean. Oh yeah, what's that's gnarly, isn't it.

745
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: It's just ironic. There's some irony in it, like we

746
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: know the stuff about out there, but we don't know

747
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: stuff about it in here.

748
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you explain because like you're you're a waterman.

749
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: You paddled across with the English Channel or something. You

750
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: did that you.

751
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck it, I paddled a bunch. I paddled a

752
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: lot too much, probably, but probably too much.

753
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: What's that relate? Like your relationship with the ocean that's

754
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: like real? Can you explain that? Like how you feel

755
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: well there?

756
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: I mean the you love you love it? You I

757
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: mean it's a little bit like my relationship with Gabby.

758
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: You know, you fear it a little bit you love it,

759
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: you fear it, you know, there's all those emotions. But

760
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: the I mean, if I look, if I think about

761
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: my relationship with the ocean, I mean, all the everything

762
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: I have is from that. All the everything that I've

763
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: ever like, gabbies, everything is from like, that's all been

764
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: from the ocean. And my biggest other than my children

765
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: and my relationship, you know, which is in its own category.

766
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: My biggest you know, achievements from the outside looking in

767
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: athletic achievements or physical achievements have been in the ocean.

768
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: So my greatest kind of success is my greatest failures.

769
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: My biggest injuries, my you know, lost at seas, my

770
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: my you know, my trauma on suffering and injury, pain

771
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: and all that are from there too. So I have,

772
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, and you can relate to that.

773
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: Football fields exact exact same thing. I'm sitting here talking

774
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: to you because of football. Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking all

775
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: the great things, all the shitty things.

776
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 7: Uh.

777
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, when I'm your age, I probably won't be

778
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: able to walk, But that's from football too, you know

779
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's football is my.

780
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 2: You can be able to walk.

781
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: Technolog g technology, We'll be right back after this quick break.

782
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's go back in. This is a segment

783
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: where we go back into August seventeen, two thousand. We

784
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: kind of go over what was going on in pop culture,

785
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: which I'm real interested to hear if you were dialed

786
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: into this movie The Cell that was number one movie?

787
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: Have you heard? What is that movie? Did you guys

788
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: hear about that?

789
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 7: Jennifer Lopez Vince Vaughan like a psychological thriller?

790
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: AI kind of?

791
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't know you ever see that? I don't think

792
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: I have the movie, guys. I mean I've seen it,

793
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: but I just not. It wasn't impactful enough for me

794
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: to remember.

795
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, same thirty three minute that way?

796
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: Perfect Storm? I mean, okay, perfect storm? Of course?

797
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: Could you surf the perfect Storm?

798
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: We're working on it.

799
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: It's my fucking guys. Let's go.

800
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: We're you know, we're working on it. We are. We

801
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: We're working on it. That's our that's one of our art.

802
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: What does that happen next? We're working on it?

803
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: What is how could you serve the Perfect Storm? It's

804
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: a movie, But I want to hear you're what the

805
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: Perfect Storm is to you? What is that?

806
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: How are you well we're working on I mean, and

807
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: we can we're we already, I mean technically we can,

808
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: but we can be we can ride giant. Like, like,

809
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: I give you an idea, what would be for me

810
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: if you said, hey, what's something that you can you're

811
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: going to get to do or you could do? What

812
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: would you want to do? And I'd be like, well,

813
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: I'd like to have some healthy daughters that aren't insane

814
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: and you know, and continue to be with my beautiful

815
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: wife and all that. But but if you said, like

816
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: for my own personal thing, it would be like when

817
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: you see those movies when there's a giant and you

818
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: see these films of these huge ships and they're going

819
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 2: into these huge waves and then the waves are breaking

820
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: over the bow and stuff like, we can technically ride

821
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: those those that we can with the foil, we can

822
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: ride those environment. Now, how do we get there? How

823
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: do we get out of there? How do we How

824
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: are we there and able to kind of keep surveillance

825
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: each other and make sure that we cannot lose them

826
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: lose us and and so that's really the complication. But

827
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: we can do that. We we can do that. We

828
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: were able to be in those in that kind of

829
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: conditions and and and so that's really the you know

830
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: the that now it's we know we can do that,

831
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: so now how how are we able to do that?

832
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: And so that's where we were working towards that. That's

833
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: something that you know, and I have when I say we,

834
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: I have some young savages, some younger guys that are

835
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, they have a lot of testosterone. You can

836
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: just tell by the way all the girls look at

837
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: them when they walk by. They're sending that signal, that

838
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: electronic force out there. But uh so, so I have

839
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: a good I have a good you know, I have

840
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: a good little uh platoon. Oh yeah, just sending it.

841
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: It's electrical, it's electrical. It's like electrical force field. So

842
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: the it's like I try to tell my daughter, I

843
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: go just so you know, you know, you're saying you're

844
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: sending those messages. No I'm not, Yes you are.

845
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 8: So that's like like a storm out like in deep

846
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 8: in the ocean, that shit's happening, Like figuring out a

847
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 8: way to get out there. You feel like you could

848
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 8: ride those waves, but like logistically about safety and actually

849
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 8: physically being out there in those conditions.

850
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: And we have some of those we have the safety

851
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: and the I mean we have and just the vessels.

852
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: And I mean initially you have to start, you know,

853
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: you don't go right to the top. You start at

854
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: the bottom of the hill and you do a run.

855
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: But we've already been doing it. We we know we

856
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: can do it. We know we're we you know, we're

857
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: starting to have the the systems in place, the communication,

858
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: the surveillance, the you know, the tracking, the okay, what

859
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: vessels and what you know, how how we can do it.

860
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: But we can definitely do it. There's definitely And there's

861
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: a huge frontier, like That's the thing that's the most

862
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: interesting is that there's just this there's just a huge frontier.

863
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: It's like wide open, like what do you want? So,

864
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: which you know in this time in the world is

865
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: pretty I don't know. I think that's like a crazy blessing.

866
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: I feel like you get blessed for your your the

867
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 2: genuineness of your pursuit, like your genuine uh. And then

868
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: and then also the what is the Good Book says,

869
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: you know, I reward you openly what what you practice privately?

870
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: You know, so there's something like about the effort putting

871
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: in towards it, the thought the the the work, all

872
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: the stuff that you put towards your pursuit.

873
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy that you've probably been the pioneering in

874
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: making surfing a team sport. You know, like I watch

875
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: when I watch a lot of your stuff, you know,

876
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: having your guy in the wave runner, having the guy

877
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: over here for safety, having the lookout guy. Like everyone

878
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: has their job. It's like the Patriot way. You know,

879
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: everyone just do your fucking job, will get it done,

880
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And everyone has their job

881
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: and the everyone is relying on everyone else. So the

882
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: accountability factor of everyone is it's like you've made the

883
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: team sport. It's gnarly, but it's also I think, and

884
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: I say that word, I'm not just trying to say

885
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: that because you're a surfer.

886
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: No, but but but I can attest no. But I

887
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: think it has to do also with Actually I think

888
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: it was more that way in the beginning, that the

889
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: way the Polynesians were that because you were sailing vessels,

890
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, canoes across the ocean and you it was

891
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: always like that, and so when they first saw surfing,

892
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: it was a lot more communal. It was more everybody

893
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: was doing it. It was young, old like, and so

894
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: I think there was already that kind of energy in it,

895
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: and then somehow, uh, we took it and we made

896
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: it competitive directly among against each you know, against man

897
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: against man, And once we did that, then that created

898
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: a lot of the different energy that happens. But like

899
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: we I know, from when the surf is really if

900
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: you go out and this and it's you know, it's

901
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: it's it's scary and it's giant and it's stormy, the

902
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: only guys you have are the guys you're with, Like

903
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: that's all there is, And so you have a different attitude.

904
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: You're not like, hey, screw you, I'm gonna take this one.

905
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 2: You're like, no, you go ahead, I'll keep an eye.

906
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: I'll let you know. Hey there's a set coming. There's

907
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: so much more camaraderie in that, and that just brings

908
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: I mean, for me personally, it brings out the best

909
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: of me because the other side of it is that

910
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: that aggressive side, which I have that too. But I'm

911
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: trying to learn how to constructively vent that and not

912
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: promote it and boost it because I don't it doesn't

913
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: need any help or it's already bad. So I don't

914
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: want to so but I like that. I think that

915
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: the original, the Paul Trowis was a lot more like

916
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: that because you had to be because you just didn't.

917
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: You had to rely on one another. And I mean

918
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: this is that's really the success of our species. I mean,

919
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: you can say what you want, but we're successful because

920
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: we have worked together with and you know, and whether

921
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: you have I'm bad against the other tribe or not,

922
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: but you're still a tribe and working together. I mean,

923
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: we're just too fragile in a in a wild savage world,

924
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, until we make guns and bombs and you know,

925
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: do with the things that we've done that allow us to,

926
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, become more fragile.

927
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Let's get back into this this segment. Did

928
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: you ever play the Sims? You had a computer guy.

929
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: That'd be no, No, I didn't get there.

930
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: The Sims were huge. Let's jump into the Let's see

931
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: what were the sports like in this time? Two thousand

932
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: NBA champions?

933
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, La Lakers? Of course?

934
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: Are you are you Lakers? Who do you basketball?

935
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: Of course? Lakers?

936
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: Lakers.

937
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: I mean it's right across the it was right across

938
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: the channel. Now let's say I was a Lakers fan

939
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: and then it slowly became an Unlaker fan. So well,

940
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: first of all, because I'm not I'm just not fan

941
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: in general. So I think at the beginning, when I

942
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: first started watching, I mean, what are they who are

943
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: the original Lakers, like we.

944
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 9: Were Jerry West and stuff. Yeah, not that not that

945
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 9: magic magic. Yeah Kareem yeah worthy, I would say. I mean,

946
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 9: I'm I know Kareem. I met him before, but he

947
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 9: was in Hawaii come stay with it, right next to

948
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 9: where I lived. I saw it one day.

949
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 2: I was at the beach and I saw this guy

950
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: swimming and then I saw like a finn. I was like,

951
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: oh my god, there's like a shark following this guy.

952
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my gosh, I go. And

953
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: then the guy came in by the shore and the

954
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: finn was still there, and then he stood up and

955
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: it was Kaream. It was his feet sticky. Now, because

956
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, you never you don't see I mean large

957
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 2: your proportions are. You know, you have in your brain

958
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: You're used to just normal people, so you're like, yeah,

959
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean to have something that far back trailing in

960
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: the water, I mean, that's got to be like a shark.

961
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 2: Something's following that person. It was just but but but

962
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: let's but let's say yeah, so for me because by

963
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 2: two thousand, I'm I mean only time, I'm you know, original, original, okay,

964
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: magic kareem Okay, like when you watch that that that

965
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: series or whatever wind Time or whatever that was, that

966
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: that was the Laker after that it was it was

967
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: you know, I I don't think I had much uh

968
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: interest on the next generation. That just sparks something everything,

969
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, okay, the sharks, Yeah, do you have

970
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: any I didn't mean to start you on that. You

971
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: ever you have?

972
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: Do you ever get a little spooky from a shark?

973
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: You ever you've had some encounters or do you have

974
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: a relationship with them? What's your relationship with the shark community.

975
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: It's good, it's good. Clearly we're here.

976
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: It's good.

977
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: We're here. It's good.

978
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: It's good. And and you have I believe that when

979
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: you've been in the water a certain amount of time

980
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 2: that you and you have that kind of you're fair.

981
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: You have a six you got that pheromone too. So

982
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 2: it's proposing that they know that I'm not like, yeah,

983
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: there's no interest in me. I'm not and I'm not

984
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: projecting fear. Yeah, I just hope, yeah, you know, yeah,

985
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's an honorable way to go.

986
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you died doing something you lovely. It's not tragedy.

987
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, just that's a point break, right, there's

988
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: time you go at them at the in the jaws

989
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: of a creature. It's probably not the it's kind of bad.

990
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: That's full that's full cycle, full circle. That's that's high level.

991
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: But let's say that being said, I saw Jaws as

992
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: a little kid, and so you know, I used to

993
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: think sharks were in swimming pools. I mean I don't

994
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: definitely don't not a very aware of sharks. Don't do

995
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: stuff like I'm gonna swim across this bay with little

996
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: tiny goggles that I can't see anything with and wonder

997
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: why I something happens. I mean, so I'm not doing

998
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: like I grew up fishing with with some Hawaiians. And

999
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: the thing they used to do, this thing called a

1000
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 2: huki lao and hokilao, is when there's a big pile

1001
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: of fish, there'll be a spotter and then they'll row

1002
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: a boat off from the beach out with a net

1003
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: and they'll circle the whole big thing with a net

1004
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: and then they get two groups of people and you

1005
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: pull the nets in right. And so I grew up

1006
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: doing that as a little kid. And they do that

1007
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: in the summer. What's it called hukilo huki low hukilo,

1008
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: So you do a hukilo and hukilo means pull, So

1009
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: you pull, then you pull in. I mean it's a

1010
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: giant like a giant pile of fish. So I used

1011
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: to drive trucks when I was really young, because that's

1012
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: a job that you can do that doesn't require you

1013
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: to be an adult. So if I can drive, I'm

1014
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: too little to be strong enough to be helpful doing labor.

1015
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: But if I can drive a truck, then I eliminated.

1016
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: I take an adult out of the truck and put

1017
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: him and he can work. I can be ten years

1018
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: old if I know how to drive a trout. So

1019
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: I learned how to drive back trailers up in the

1020
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: sand and learn how to drive little kid.

1021
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: You know the trick when you're doing the trailer, you

1022
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: put your yeah, your hand on the bottom or where

1023
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: you go on the steering wheel. That's where the trailer

1024
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: will go exactly if anyone.

1025
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: Exactly well, and there's some And there's a difference between

1026
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: driving back in a trailer up and looking at the

1027
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: trailer and then also looking at the review mirror. Those

1028
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: are two different Those are two different kinds. Like you

1029
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: can be a great trailer guy looking but can't do

1030
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: it in the mirror, and then you can be a

1031
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: great mirror guy and you can't do it in the thing.

1032
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 2: Those are two different type of driving.

1033
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: You ever get stuck, you just put your hand on

1034
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: the bottom of that wheel, yeah, you know, and control it.

1035
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: You can because whatever way you put that hand, that's

1036
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: the trailer. You can go that way. That's what my

1037
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: dad always telling me.

1038
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: Good good, good teaching. But so anyway, so my point

1039
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: was is that finally I got old enough to be helpful.

1040
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: And there's so one of the jobs is is that

1041
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: as they pull the net in, they have a guy,

1042
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: they have a guy, a couple of swimmers in the boat,

1043
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: and you swim down as they pull the net in

1044
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: and make sure that the net doesn't catch any rocks

1045
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 2: on the bottom. Because you have all those people pulling,

1046
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: you'll break the net and then the fish will all

1047
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: get away. So you dive along the bottom and then

1048
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: you pull yourself along the net. So I'm finally get

1049
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 2: old enough to because I'm good in the water. They're like, okay, now, boy,

1050
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: are you gonna go and do the You're gonna go

1051
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: swim the net. So the on the one of the days.

1052
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: A lot of fish. I'm just com yeah, you know

1053
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: that means there gotta be a shark in there here.

1054
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: They keep going, there's got to be something there.

1055
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: First time I'm there, dive down, I'm pulling myself along

1056
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: the bottom like that, I just get a bad feeling.

1057
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I go, like that, look and there's

1058
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: an eyeball right by my face like this, and the

1059
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: net's clear underwater. She can't even see the net and

1060
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: there's just an eyeball, and I'm like sorry, just kind

1061
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: of pull back. And it's a big hammerhead, like a

1062
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 2: big one. And so I just swam straight to the

1063
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: top and I said, and I went, big, big shark.

1064
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: Is that a shark signal?

1065
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like hello, like here they are here he is,

1066
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: and so go, so get in the boat, go in it.

1067
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 2: They pulled like a probably i'd say twelve or fourteen foot.

1068
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: Maybe it could have been bigger than that, for like

1069
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: big old hammerhead when they pulled the net it because

1070
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: they normally they try to open the net and let

1071
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: the thing out, but it wouldn't go out, so then

1072
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: they just ended up pulling in onto the shore. Because

1073
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 2: the relationship with the Hawaiians is that that's your amakua,

1074
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: which is the your ancestors going to the sharks, so

1075
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: they have a very Yeah, you have a good relationship

1076
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: with the with the sharks. So that was the beginning

1077
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: of you know, and I've seen some big tigers and

1078
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: I know that you know, the girl that got her

1079
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: arm Bethany Hamilton got her arm bit off at my

1080
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 2: home break that I spent many years, you know, paddling

1081
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: its way offshore out at sea. I've been out there

1082
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: a lot with me or just a couple guys. And

1083
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 2: I mean, with all the years that I've been in

1084
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: the water, the amount of sharks I've seen is so few,

1085
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: like honestly, and I always say, the shark you see

1086
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: is a good shark because you see it the ones

1087
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 2: anytime anybody's ever been attacked, they didn't see the shark. Yeah,

1088
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's a mistake. I mean, but if you're

1089
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 2: spearing fish and there's blood, if you're wounded and there's blood.

1090
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: If you're making weird movements in the water, I mean

1091
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: there's it's it's normally mistaken identity. But I have a like,

1092
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: you know, I just I'll get a feeling like I'll

1093
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: be out somewhere and I'll just be like, this is

1094
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: not I just feel that things are there, they're around,

1095
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: and I'll go in and then the guy will be like,

1096
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: oh yeah, do you hear And I go, well, they

1097
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: they saw a giant tiger. Then I'll be like, oh, yeah,

1098
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: I felt that thing in the morning.

1099
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: But who that reminds me of? Who's the guy free Solo?

1100
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: What's his name?

1101
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 2: Alex Arnold and I we.

1102
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: Sat and we drived. We did a speaking engagement together,

1103
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: and he had that same attitude. If I feel any

1104
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: kind of spooky, I'm out, I don't you gotta go

1105
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: when you go go and you go. Absolutely you have

1106
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: any kind of something the fear that's telling.

1107
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: You yeah, and you have to listen to that that

1108
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: we have instincts for a reason. We've had those skills

1109
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: for a long long time. That's been something that we

1110
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: that's why we're still here because we had that. You know,

1111
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: you're hiking along you're like, oh, you know what, something

1112
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: around that corner I don't know. And then there's like,

1113
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: oh yeah, they giant bear or something like. We just

1114
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: have those things. We've lost a lot of those, but

1115
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: we were in us. And if you can, I always say,

1116
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: I always say it's good to practice your intuitions when

1117
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: you have them. If you have some feeling, you call

1118
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: you know, how come I get a weird feeling, you

1119
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: call up so and so you're like, oh yeah, oh

1120
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: you can't believe or it's so great or I was

1121
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: thinking of you. I mean you always So that's part

1122
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: of that tool. And I think you can definitely sharpen

1123
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: that tool. That tool is especially if you use them

1124
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: and you go off of them. I think that's I mean,

1125
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: they're they guide you. Uh, and so I'm a big

1126
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: proponent of that. But the sharks definitely will be something

1127
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: that that will definitely make that tool important.

1128
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anytime I'm out there, I'm thinking about it.

1129
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1130
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: Ever seen one?

1131
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, well it's good. I mean it's there's no fences.

1132
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: I tell people, there's no fence. There's no fences, no

1133
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: fucking They are where they want to be. Yeah, but

1134
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: they really don't want us. They know that, because if

1135
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: they did, you'd know they don't. They we're we're we're

1136
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: not good eating, we're too many bones. And I mean

1137
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: they can eat some nice there's a lot of nice

1138
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: stuff to eat out there. But then the orcers are

1139
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: the king, so then you can always think about that.

1140
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: But I saw free Willie. I mean, yeah, they had

1141
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: a relationship, you know what I.

1142
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: Mean, only in the movies, Jaggie said the stage.

1143
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: All right, so this is the part of the show.

1144
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 7: We usually we deal with team sports, traditional team sports

1145
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 7: a lot, so we'll break down team one, team two,

1146
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 7: whatever it is. This week we're talking man versus the ocean,

1147
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 7: so we found it fitting to talk about Tahiti a

1148
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 7: little bit. We'll talk chopool a little bit, a little

1149
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 7: high level recap on Tihiti, part of French prolynesia, gross

1150
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 7: domestic product. You know, we love talking global finance on

1151
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 7: this pod. Five point eight billion, roughly four hundred and

1152
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 7: three square miles, average temperature between seventy six and eighty fourful,

1153
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 7: very nice. Main industries, tourism, agriculture, fishing. Just to give

1154
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 7: a little perspective of where it is. It's twenty six

1155
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 7: hundred miles from Hawaii, so it's out there, baby, And

1156
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 7: then most recently hosted the twenty twenty four Summer Olympics.

1157
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: What about that surfing?

1158
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: Some good surf too. A little disappointing, well, let's hear it.

1159
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 2: A little disappointing when the final was was it could

1160
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: have been a breach break. You might as well have

1161
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: been at Huntington Beach. So that was that was disappointing.

1162
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the potential for Tahoopo, which is

1163
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: how you they call it chopu, but it's the the

1164
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: real pronunciation is Tyohopo, which means wall of skulls, wall

1165
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: of skulls, wall of skulls. And it's probably because a

1166
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: lot of people have lost their life there in over

1167
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: the over the evolution of those guys fishing and being

1168
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: in canoes and you know, going over there and getting

1169
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: pile driven into the coral. But but that event, you know,

1170
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: you're at Tayahoopo again difficult because of the just the

1171
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: nature of the ocean. You know, like the reason why

1172
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: I haven't pursued why one of the reasons it contributed

1173
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: to me not participating in the in the whole organized

1174
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: surfing was just because the waves just come when they want,

1175
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: how they want, and you can be there and all

1176
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: of a sudden there's you know, multiple sets, and then

1177
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: there's no waves, and all of a sudden you're sitting

1178
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: in the heat. I mean, I watched probably two of

1179
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: the better surfers in the world, if not two of

1180
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 2: the best surfers in the world, you know, John John

1181
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: Flories and then the Brazilian champion, and those guys didn't

1182
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: even get the wave count. They sat there and then

1183
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: a wave never even came in that interested them them

1184
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: enough to catch it. And so it's a like a

1185
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: little bit in that in that way, but that's competitive

1186
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: surfing and so that you have to know that going

1187
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: into that. But that's a little bit that's a little

1188
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: bit like kind of a bummer. It'd be like you

1189
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: go to your super Bowl and then you know, and

1190
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: and only half your team shows up, You're like, hey,

1191
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: we might need the guys for the defense, you know.

1192
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: Like so it's it's that's the only you know, and

1193
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: that's the nature of the format of how they do that.

1194
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 2: And and I mean, I think there's always going to

1195
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: be that element to it until they start running, you know,

1196
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: running these things in these wave pools where they can

1197
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: just spit out a perfect way the same and yeah,

1198
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: we can be more like gymnastics or something. I mean,

1199
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: I think there's still always be some some confusion, uh,

1200
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: with with with the judging, because it's it's so subjective.

1201
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's your who's your who's your modern surfers that

1202
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: you look at and you're like that dude can rip.

1203
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: You know, I don't watch half the guys. I don't know.

1204
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,959
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, you know you see John John.

1205
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: I mean you know you're You're never gonna have another

1206
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: Kelly Slater. I mean, you're just not. It's just like you.

1207
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: You just they don't make those I mean, and if

1208
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: they do, it's makes him a long run. What makes

1209
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: him so spectacular Well that he was able to win

1210
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: eleven titles. Yeah, and he's just a consummate competitor, and

1211
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: he just knows how to get in people's heads and

1212
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: consistently can do it and did it and over a

1213
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: time period that how do you.

1214
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: Get into someone How do you get into someone's head

1215
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: in a heat?

1216
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you and ask him. He's good

1217
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: at it. Now, there's ways of getting people's heads ship

1218
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: talking and stuff, you know, stuff stuff that you do,

1219
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: like stuff that you do, stuff that you do that

1220
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: that psychologically can you know again as when you're I

1221
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: mean it's like you know this when you're on a

1222
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: man on man thing and you have another man against you.

1223
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of fights that already won it

1224
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: before they get in the ring, like they're already won.

1225
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: Like the guys already they've already won it. So there's

1226
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: the things that happen that you don't see that affect

1227
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: the performance, Like the guy's already given up before it

1228
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: even started because they you know. I mean, so there's

1229
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: a lot of I think there's a lot of that.

1230
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: You know, like someone like John John Florence and Is

1231
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: he's his surfing is is superior to everyone, and but

1232
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: he's just not quite the kind of guy that's his interest.

1233
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: Isn't in the at least from my PERSPECTI of course,

1234
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: isn't in just the straight up Hey, I just want

1235
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: to beat you, I want to beat everybody. No, he

1236
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: just wants to surf the best. And that's a different mentality, right,

1237
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: There's two different kind of mentalities. One is I want

1238
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: to beat you and the other one is I just

1239
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: want to surf the best, and those aren't always correlated,

1240
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: they don't always connect. So but but yeah, I don't

1241
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: you know a lot of I don't know a lot

1242
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: of what's going on, uh with with surfing. And I

1243
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: probably a harsh the kind of surfing that I that

1244
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: I really admire and just strength, like and you need power,

1245
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: you need wave powerful waves to be have powerful have

1246
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: powerful riding. And so there's there's not a there's not

1247
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: a lot of people that I look at and I go, wow, amazing.

1248
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 2: Like I watched John, John, I watched Kelly, I watched

1249
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: you know, I watch some of these guys. Some of

1250
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: the stuff I just don't. I don't like the movement.

1251
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: I like the way the body positioning is. I think

1252
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: maybe because I've been around it so long. It's so

1253
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: from every different level of kind of board to evolution

1254
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: to the I mean it's like I'm sixty years old,

1255
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: like I've been watching surfing since I was, you know,

1256
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: for five years, little kid, Like I've been watching surfing

1257
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: for fifty five years. It's like kind of maybe harsh. Yeah,

1258
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: these guys are doing like aerials areals now, Yeah, no,

1259
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: that's and that's I came from you though, when you

1260
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: were started strapped. Yeah, but I mean I think that's

1261
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: also a growth from skateboarding gave back because certain because

1262
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: skateboarding started because of surfing, right, and then it gives back.

1263
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: Then snowboarding came, you know, gives back. So they learn

1264
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: a lot of the aerial stuff, and that stuff is

1265
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: I guess for me, I can't appreciate enough because it's

1266
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: so far out of my just because of my size

1267
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: and my you know how I surf. It's out of

1268
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 2: my I'm not I don't even you know, a gymnast. Yeah, yeah,

1269
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: exactly exactly.

1270
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: When you watch we're watching you. We're doing all research

1271
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: and I've seen you look like a fucking linebacker out there.

1272
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: Different yeah, different speciesis all yoked.

1273
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, dudes, it looks like you you should be going

1274
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: across the middle and laying someone out. Yeah, Like that's it's.

1275
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: A different animal. Well, it's like acrobatic. It's like skiing.

1276
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: I give skiing. If you think about downhillers, like with

1277
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: the average downhiller is two hundred and forty pounds to

1278
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: thirty whatever, And then you think about like acrobatic skiing,

1279
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: Like there's acrobatic skiing, and then there's downhillers. These are

1280
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: completely different species. These are different animals. It's hard to

1281
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: even compare them. How you can't they're both skiing, they're

1282
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: both skiing, but this is this is one kind of

1283
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 2: skiing and then there's another kind of skiing. And there's

1284
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: very few that can really cross that bridge. It's like

1285
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: it's hard to take the flyweight and make him, you know,

1286
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: punch like the heavyweight. It's like he just but he

1287
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: can punch a lot more times. It's like there's so

1288
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: there's a completely different Uh, it's just a completely different approach.

1289
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: And a you're the heavyweight surfer, Well, I just part

1290
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: of his size, size size alone, and then and then desire,

1291
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: but size alone. Just yeah, just your weight. I mean

1292
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna go out there and surf against some I

1293
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: mean there's there's bigger guys that can ride a little

1294
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: tiny waves. But for me, I grew up in Hawaiian

1295
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: and we just had plenty of horsepower. We didn't need

1296
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: to We weren't desperate enough to have to ride little

1297
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 2: little stuff. And and and also the interest of doing

1298
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: other things too, right, wanting to do you know, I

1299
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: always like like fast, like I always like fast, and

1300
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well, it's hard to go fast on

1301
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: a little wave. You know, it's like no matter what

1302
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: you're doing, and so it's hard to hard to and

1303
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: the relative no matter how fast you go in a

1304
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: little wave, it's not like going fast on a big wave.

1305
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: So that's like windsurfing was great because it was fast fast,

1306
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: you can go fast.

1307
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: Like, are you on the snowboard?

1308
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: Snowboard loves snowboarding snow thirty something years, like thirty since.

1309
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: The ripping, you would? I mean I wakeboarded a lot.

1310
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, kid, So yeah, snowboarding's easy transition. Yeah, from whiteboarding.

1311
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: I grew up snowboarding. I used to go to Tahoe

1312
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: every Yearah, big snowboard guy. Yeah, love it. Just so,

1313
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: I was just talking with Travis Rice the other day.

1314
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's bad ass, bad.

1315
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: Man, big boy, big dog, big dog eats. Yeah. I

1316
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: like that though. I like that kind of right, Like

1317
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: I I like, like we talked to me about Snowboarding's

1318
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: like that's the kind of stuff I like, like big mountain,

1319
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: big mountain, like high speed, Like I've done a bunch

1320
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: of snowboarding all over the world and and uh and

1321
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 2: and it's so much like surfing, so it's an easy

1322
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: transition compared to skiing. Skiing was so not like surfing

1323
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: as individual and just a positioning and everything. Now it's

1324
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: changed a little bit. But yeah, hell Helly boarding. I

1325
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 2: like Alaska, Like I'll go I'll go Helly in Alaska.

1326
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: I like I like to I like just part of

1327
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: it is like being in the mountains. You know, it's

1328
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 2: like being in the ocean. That you're in nature, and

1329
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 2: you're in powerful nature on a big, huge glacier somewhere,

1330
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 2: and the energy that it has very ocean like like

1331
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: there's that they're just there's a it's like the brother

1332
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: and sister, you know, like there they have a lot

1333
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: of that. So you get that same sensation and that

1334
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: that like that energy from it, you know. And so

1335
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 2: I think that's the part that that you know, resorts

1336
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: or not. I mean, I have the luxury to be

1337
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: able to go on a helicopter. Over the years, I've

1338
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: had friends and and I've gotten to be a you know,

1339
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 2: and and and have relationship with helicopters too, so I

1340
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 2: have so it's allowed me to really go and because that's.

1341
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: What it reminded me of when I see when I

1342
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: when when I was watching all this stuff, when you

1343
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: strapped in, yeah, like you're like snowboarding the wave exactly exactly.

1344
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: Like snowboarding had an influence being strapped in windsurfing had

1345
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: being connected had a big with your crow Yeah, yeah,

1346
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: but being connected and and definitely like that was that

1347
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 2: was a big, a big breakthrough, like the way you

1348
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: can ride. I mean now they're doing no no boarding

1349
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 2: where they have no bindings and stuff, but but it's

1350
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: not the same as when they when you're connected to

1351
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: it and you're it's you're you become one with the

1352
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: with the board. That that change and just the deal.

1353
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: What about wake surfing? Have you done that a little bit?

1354
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: Not a lot?

1355
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: We believe that now.

1356
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. We used to do free boarding, which is we

1357
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 2: would ride our big wave boards behind a boat and

1358
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: it was more like water skiing, cutting like waterskiing, but

1359
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 2: in a in a surf stance. And then that was

1360
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: the that was a good way to train for big

1361
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: wave riding. So we would we would go and do

1362
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: like water ski stuff behind behind a boat with or

1363
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 2: behind a ski with those with our big wave boards.

1364
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: So that was that was that was a good way

1365
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: to train and and uh and it was, you know,

1366
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 2: kind of a lot like what we're used to.

1367
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: Let's get back to chopu, yeah do it? Or how do.

1368
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: Tya so t e a taya h u pull tyo hoopo,

1369
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: yeah tayhopo.

1370
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: Can't Well, I grew up around Polly's like so I'm

1371
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: from the Bay, okay, and we had a lot of

1372
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: smoll and tongue and.

1373
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 2: You know then no, yeah, you you know, then you

1374
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: gotta pronounce, you gotta everything. Everything's in syllables.

1375
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: Hoopo day hoopo.

1376
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 7: Back to uh, yeah a little we talked Tahiti here

1377
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 7: a little bit, but to get specific, Tayahoopo population just

1378
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 7: under fifteen hundred, little town located in the southwest corner

1379
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 7: of Tahiti. And like we talked a little bit earlier,

1380
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 7: like the waves here, it's it's because that reef is

1381
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 7: so shallow and he got the ocean moving in heavy

1382
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 7: deep water, heavy boys, and it's a it's a left breaker,

1383
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 7: right lair yes, okay, yep.

1384
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: Crazy. Now, how does Tayohoopo stack up against the other

1385
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: famous surf.

1386
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: In the world, One of a kind, that's probably one

1387
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 2: of the one of the all time one of the

1388
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 2: all time waves in the world. So Pipeline, the beach

1389
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: that I was raised at, was considered the the most

1390
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: premier wave in the world, and it was. It was

1391
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 2: one of these things where for every shot of any

1392
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: other wave in the world in magazines and whatever on

1393
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: the internet, there was like three of Pipeline, right, and

1394
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: so Taehoopo took over that that spot and is now

1395
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: probably the most And now, I mean, we have some

1396
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 2: incredible waves around the world, but when it comes to

1397
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: just straight up perfection, like a perfect a perfect wave.

1398
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: To understand that this wave is the coral that on

1399
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: the on the island grew in a way to absorb

1400
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: the to absorb the energy of the wave in the

1401
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 2: shortest distance possible. That's just how the coral grows. So

1402
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,919
Speaker 2: the core, the shape of the island itself is designed

1403
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: to absorb the wave's energy. That's just what it's designed

1404
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: to do. And the result of that is is that

1405
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: the wave will dissipate in such a short distance, so

1406
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 2: it takes all the power of the wave and it

1407
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 2: throws it into the air, which makes that perfect cylinder.

1408
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 2: And then that wave is I mean, pipelines known as

1409
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: you know, was known as the greatest tube in the

1410
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: world until Taohoopo took over uh, and and and and

1411
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 2: the Millennium wave kind of it was already on moving

1412
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 2: towards that direction, but it sent it over the top

1413
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 2: because it was that was such a defining wave for

1414
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 2: the rideable and unrideable. That was the big thing about

1415
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: that particular wave or those that wave that day, and

1416
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: those waves because there was multiple waves ridden on that day,

1417
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 2: and so that that really kind of defined uh. First

1418
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 2: of all, that the pictures of that went all over

1419
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 2: and and and brought you know, more attention to it

1420
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 2: than it was already getting, and brought attentions to to

1421
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: it doing the freakiest thing that it does when it

1422
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 2: gets past the point where you can actually physically catch it.

1423
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: And that's that's you know, that's the heaviest part of

1424
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 2: that wave is that you can ride that wave when

1425
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: it's completely unrideable, Like technically no one would be able

1426
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 2: to surf the wave that I was towed in. Why well,

1427
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: you just because you physically aren't able to generate enough

1428
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: speed on the right equipment that allows you to actually

1429
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: enter before you're thrown into the sky. You just can't.

1430
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 2: There's so much water lifting up and heaving that you

1431
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: just can't get into it before it throws over. I mean,

1432
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: and guys are pushing the edge of you know, of

1433
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: how far they can go. But that and and and

1434
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 2: multiple other days since then, there's just there's just no

1435
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 2: You just guys, there's no They don't even try because

1436
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 2: you just know it's not you know, there's other other

1437
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 2: waves that are a little more ambiguous. There's times when

1438
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 2: you could you catch that manually or not. You can

1439
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 2: do that, but that wave is just it's like pretty

1440
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 2: much a clear a clear line in the.

1441
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: Sand, and if you fall, you're hitting reef.

1442
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: There's a very good chance. Like the month that I

1443
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: rode that wave, the month before, a guy hit his

1444
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: head and eventually died, like crushed his skull. Now there's

1445
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 2: been another guy that we know, a friend of ours

1446
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: is paralyzed on a small all day. The reef is

1447
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 2: live coral. You're gonna if you touch it, you're gonna

1448
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: it looks like a tiger, Like a tiger swiped you.

1449
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: You're shredded. And then and then there's about it. It

1450
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 2: depends on your tolerance for staff. But there's a pretty

1451
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 2: good chance you're gonna get staff, Like you're just gonna

1452
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: because it's live bacteria and corals just full of full

1453
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 2: of staff. So you're gonna get staff. They have a

1454
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 2: thing where where they rub limes on them on the wounds.

1455
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 2: And you know how you when you get a paper cut,

1456
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: like you get a slice and you put lime on

1457
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: it or lemon. How good that feels. Imagine like giant

1458
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: road rash and then we're gonna take a lime and

1459
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 2: rub it on there. That usually results in some serious whining.

1460
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: Now can you can you break down Laird?

1461
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: Oh?

1462
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 7: I would be honored. Oh my goodness, we go Uh

1463
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 7: we talk here. We already got the wave out of

1464
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 7: the way. Now we got to talk about Laird and

1465
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 7: the team.

1466
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: Uh.

1467
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 7: We talked laired earlier six three two fifteen at the

1468
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 7: time of this wave thirty six. Invader of a lot

1469
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 7: of things, revolutionize big waves, surfing, stand up paddle, hydrofoiling,

1470
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 7: nutrition and wellness, a little bit of the the Da

1471
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 7: Vinci of the sea, if you will, Blaired. One thing

1472
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 7: that's that that I had to ask, is there anything

1473
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 7: that is still eluding you in the invention or innovation

1474
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 7: category that like you've just been dog with a bone

1475
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 7: for years and years.

1476
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 2: I mean there's yeah, that's ongoing. I mean I have

1477
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: a couple couple other ideas of course, the pursuit of

1478
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 2: the ocean, but under riding under under under the waves,

1479
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: that's another area. There's always right now, there's always waves. Yeah,

1480
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 2: what does that mean? Riding under the riding the waves

1481
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: under the water. So you're in something and we do

1482
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: it with our body already, but being in in a

1483
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 2: in a you know what would probably look like some

1484
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: kind of weird torpedo or something like that, could be

1485
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: like a more of a dolphin dolphin shape or something

1486
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: that you ride inside of to ride underneath the water.

1487
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: But that's I mean, that's I've had that in my

1488
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: mind for a long long time.

1489
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And then we can't forget about the

1490
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: crew this day.

1491
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 7: Tim mckinneugh, photographer Nelson Kuback was a toe in partner

1492
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 7: correct Ye double d Derek Dorner was driving the jet

1493
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 7: ski and then legendary surf director Jack McCoy was was

1494
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 7: there directing this shoot.

1495
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: My friend Poto too, but Tea David was a Tahitian

1496
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 2: Tahesian guy that was down there he that morning and

1497
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 2: I tell the story a couple of times, but that

1498
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: morning we were launching. First of all, the guy he goes, oh, yeah,

1499
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: we're not going to go out to day And I go,

1500
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: what do you mean?

1501
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: Not going on?

1502
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 2: He goes, oh, well, we don't go when it's this

1503
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 2: when the surf's this big. We go to this other

1504
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: wave and I'm like, yeah, we're gonna go out there

1505
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: today and he's like, what do you mean. I go, well,

1506
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: we're not going to go to the other wave until

1507
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 2: we go out there, and no, we can't ride this

1508
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 2: way first of all. And I could see it from

1509
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: the beach and it was doing it looks look like

1510
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 2: something that's only in cartoons. And so then then we're

1511
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 2: getting ready, we get on the skis, we're driving and

1512
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: pot goes, oh, I locked my my keys and my

1513
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: sunglasses in the car. And he was sponsored by Oakley,

1514
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: and he was like, I need to get my sun glasses.

1515
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: I go, what do you mean and he goes, well,

1516
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm sponsored by Oakley and I got to have my shades.

1517
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, fine, So I'm like, get a coat hanger.

1518
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 2: When you got the guy get a coat hanger, went

1519
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 2: in there and broke. I broke in the car, got

1520
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 2: the car, Get you got a shade. Okay, now ever

1521
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: we got everything they need. Okay, here we go. Let's go.

1522
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 2: Because it's always I think we always do that, Like

1523
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: whenever the surf's big, especially the bigger it is, the

1524
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: more we make sure there's no you know, it's like, hey,

1525
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: tie the knot tie the not the same every day,

1526
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: but tie it again, like on the day when as

1527
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 2: it gets bigger, you just kind of go, you know,

1528
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 2: you go over all of that stuff double time and

1529
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 2: move and move slower. Actually we start to slow down,

1530
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 2: like everything becomes more calculated slower, just so you don't

1531
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: run into a situation.

1532
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: I wish I would is That's right? You don't want that.

1533
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: I wish I would have?

1534
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, or I wish I didn't or didn't either one

1535
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: of those. Uh.

1536
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 7: We talked a little bit earlier of just the the

1537
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 7: ferocity and the death defying nature of it of a

1538
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 7: guy dying a month earlier signed to surf, and then

1539
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 7: it came on the scene pretty fully in the nineties

1540
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 7: and was known around the surfing community, right Laird, yep, okay,

1541
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 7: And then it.

1542
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: Was actually before that they were surfing it already, and

1543
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: I had I would the Tuhesians would come to pipeline

1544
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 2: and surf and they kept telling me about the wave.

1545
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: But I was kind of like, okay, yeah, cool like

1546
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 2: but I wasn't. I mean, I just took my time

1547
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: to go down there. You know, I've had I known

1548
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: I might have gone a little sooner.

1549
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: So that was your first time there, Yeah, first time.

1550
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 2: I'd been there for two weeks. I'd been there for

1551
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 2: two weeks and then I was leaving the night but

1552
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,799
Speaker 2: the day before, and the guy, no, the guy goes somebody,

1553
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 2: one of the guys go, oh, yeah, it looks like

1554
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: we got a you know, there's a big bomber coming,

1555
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: like a big swell like and I go, okay, well

1556
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: I'll cancel my flight. Man, I don't leave. Don't leave

1557
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 2: when the right before the surf comes. That's bad dog,

1558
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 2: bad dog.

1559
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1560
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 7: Laird and the crew got there August second. This was

1561
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 7: for an ox bow shoot. Correct, Yes, okay, heck yeah.

1562
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 7: And then yeah, when the swells were coming in, Layer

1563
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 7: had canceled the flight and the rest is history. And

1564
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 7: then the morning of we talked about a little bit earlier. Yeah,

1565
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 7: they were they were describing this as a big glassy wave.

1566
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: Correct.

1567
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, can you for the for the layman at home

1568
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 7: that don't know surfing like we do, can you describe

1569
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 7: it like that?

1570
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: Glassy means well, it's just no wind, so the water

1571
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 2: is real and glass. Glassy is representation of glass, like

1572
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: the smoothness of a window. So you have that smoothness

1573
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 2: uh of and so no wind and uh and and

1574
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 2: that you know that just that just means that you're

1575
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 2: not gonna have to deal with any texture as you're riding. Uh,

1576
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: even though there every once in a while the boat

1577
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 2: goes by. We had to deal with a boat wake.

1578
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 2: Uh when we were when we were riding on one

1579
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: of the couple of the waves, a bow way came through.

1580
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 2: But but yeah, glassy just means like window like smooth

1581
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: like that which which.

1582
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: Water ski when you water ski.

1583
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we look for the last in the morning, go early,

1584
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: so late yep.

1585
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 7: And you guys set out super early that morning, like

1586
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 7: four thirty five am yep, and got a little got

1587
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 7: some practice reps in on some smaller waves and then

1588
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 7: and then waited for this big boy around eleven thirty

1589
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 7: ish around noon ish.

1590
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: Yep. Thank you can.

1591
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 2: You walk multiple multiple rogue waves came through. I rode

1592
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 2: two to actually so in the so we got out

1593
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 2: there in the morning and and normally over the years

1594
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: that i've it's not necessarily self appointed. It seems like,

1595
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 2: you know, see if Mikey likes it kind of stuff,

1596
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 2: send laird first and depending on you know, if he

1597
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 2: comes back or not, we'll know whether we want to

1598
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 2: go or not kind of thing. So I I was

1599
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 2: usually the guinea pig, and and I've done that for

1600
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: a long time. It seemed like Jaws. I would do that.

1601
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 2: I would just be the guy that you because they're

1602
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: going to get a good idea of what the what

1603
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 2: is the writing is going to be like from me.

1604
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: They're gonna see me and go, oh yeah, it doesn't

1605
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: look like it's very fun or not. And whether I mean,

1606
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: I just kind of was my role.

1607
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

1608
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 2: And so I was first man up and my friend

1609
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 2: went to tow me on the first wave, and the wave,

1610
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: the tightness of the wave made the everything different from

1611
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: towing normally. Normally we can get out on the wave

1612
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 2: earlier because the waves starts to stand up out at sea,

1613
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 2: and then we get on him and we can let

1614
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: go and there's time to do everything. Well, this this

1615
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 2: place is really condensed, and so you don't have the time.

1616
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 2: And the wave comes out of deep water. It doesn't,

1617
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't, you don't. It comes from deep water. It

1618
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: doesn't start standing up way out at sea, so you don't.

1619
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 2: You don't have a lot of time. Once it stands up,

1620
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: then you have to go. And so the first wave

1621
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 2: we missed it, and I was pissed. He turned to

1622
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: He turned early because he was didn't want to get

1623
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,799
Speaker 2: on the wave because he was worried about getting trapped,

1624
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 2: and which I don't blame him. And in retrospect, when

1625
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 2: I look back at it, it was good way I

1626
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: didn't go on that one. I might have gotten plastered

1627
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: all over the reef. The way the wave was, it

1628
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 2: just wait could and then that would have been the

1629
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 2: end of the morning. If I would have just gotten

1630
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 2: mode and and uh and hit the bottom, then they

1631
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 2: would have been like, Okay, that's it. So the first

1632
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 2: one I missed, then I got Then I got the

1633
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 2: next one. I got one after that, and then I

1634
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 2: rode multiple multiple uh you know, I kept I ride,

1635
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 2: I rode I don't know how many I rode. And

1636
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: then once I had ridden long enough, I asked the

1637
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 2: other guys a couple of I go, okay, you guys

1638
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: want to take it. So I the couple of the

1639
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 2: guys were like, okay, yeah, we'll go, And so I

1640
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 2: towed a couple of the I towed the tahesion on.

1641
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,839
Speaker 2: I told Derek I towed a couple of the boys

1642
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 2: on onto waves as well, and then they said they

1643
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: were like, okay, are you good? And then I and

1644
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 2: then they're like, okay, we're good. And so then I go,

1645
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: I go, okay, I'll go. I'll go one more time

1646
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 2: then and uh, and then I went. And then that's

1647
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: when those those rogue ones came, those roads like they

1648
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 2: were just a lot bigger than the rest had been.

1649
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 2: And that's it's a little bit like that. You know,

1650
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 2: there's a people what is a rogue wave. Well, it's

1651
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: just a wave that's just bigger than the other waves

1652
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 2: in the normal sea state. And that happens more often

1653
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 2: actually in the Southern Hemisphere because of the way the

1654
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: there's no continent in the way the way the storms

1655
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 2: just go around Antarctica without hitting any land masks, so

1656
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 2: they gained so waves joined together. So waves will join

1657
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: together and all of a sudden, it'll just be like

1658
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 2: it'll be like ten feet ten feet and they'll be

1659
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: a twenty footer and and they don't really understand completely

1660
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: how they do it, but so they do that kind

1661
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 2: of stuff. So that that's kind of what those ones were.

1662
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 2: They just came. They were two really substantially larger than

1663
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: the other ones, and the other ones are already big enough.

1664
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: And then after those two waves, I mean I wrote

1665
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 2: a few before then. Then those two waves came at

1666
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 2: the end of the session and then we were kind

1667
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 2: of like it was already about noon and we were like, okay,

1668
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 2: we're we'll go in and eat lunch. And as soon

1669
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 2: as we hit the beach, a giant storm front hit

1670
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 2: wind blowing, raining, like the day was over. It was

1671
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 2: kind of like that was the the end of the ride.

1672
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the ride. That was the end.

1673
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 2: That was kind of like you had the here's your

1674
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 2: gift stores closed, you know, flip the sign yeah closed,

1675
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: no more.

1676
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: What do you think? And when you're you're hitting this

1677
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: wave for the first time, like what what what is?

1678
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you enjoying it or are you are

1679
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: you trying to execute your your technique, so something bad

1680
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Are you with the wave? Are you feeling

1681
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: part of the ocean? What's what's the mindset going into

1682
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 1: this wave right now?

1683
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: Are you?

1684
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 1: Is it pure euphoria?

1685
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 2: Well, I I had been there for two weeks. I

1686
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 2: had finally talked the guy to taking me to Tayhoopo.

1687
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 2: So I had been riding. I had ridden it a

1688
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 2: few days before, right, So I had ridden it a

1689
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 2: couple of times, and uh, and we called barreled, you know,

1690
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: being in the barrel, like being in a barrel, and

1691
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: had gotten a lot of tube, like a lot of

1692
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 2: tube time like I had been getting a lot of

1693
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 2: So coming up to it, I already kind of had

1694
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: a relationship with the wave itself. I already had an

1695
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 2: understanding of just how to where to be and how

1696
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 2: to ride it. But when those bigger two waves came,

1697
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 2: and you're you're always trying to position yourself in the

1698
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 2: deepest spot you can be and still make it. Like

1699
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: that's the whole objective, right is how can I be

1700
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 2: in the most critical position but still complete the ride?

1701
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 2: Because I can get myself in a really critical position

1702
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 2: but then not make it, And that happens a lot

1703
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: like you all of a sudden, you're like, you're just

1704
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 2: a foot back. If you were just a foot ahead,

1705
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 2: you would have had success. But you were a foot

1706
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 2: back and the little gap closed, you know, so you're

1707
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: just a one you know, one step from and so

1708
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 2: and then how to be in that position, where to

1709
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 2: position your you know, how to put yourself, put yourself

1710
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: in the place and so and then still make it.

1711
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: And there are some unique things that happen on the

1712
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 2: one wave that was completely instinctual. I didn't It wasn't

1713
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: even something I was conscious of. Its Actually, Sam George,

1714
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: who's the editor of Surfer magazine said it after that

1715
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: that I put my hand down on the inside and

1716
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 2: it was a weird. Uh, it was a weird thing.

1717
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: And even since then, I've seen some giants walls. I

1718
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 2: watch guys do what you would normally do on a

1719
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,839
Speaker 2: wave in that position, but the wave doesn't isn't isn't normal,

1720
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 2: And you have to do something that's kind of counterintuitive,

1721
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: which is you to you want to go, you want

1722
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 2: to go out of it, but the only way to

1723
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 2: get out is to turn in. And so it's kind

1724
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: of like it's like a thing that doesn't make sense.

1725
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 2: And so that was that was something that I did

1726
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 2: without knowing. I just did it instinctually out of survival

1727
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 2: to make it.

1728
01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: And so.

1729
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 2: When you're in that moment and I know you know

1730
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: this very well, time expands ecdentially and so there you're

1731
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 2: you know, you can sit You're sitting there having a

1732
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 2: conversation with yourself and it's like I, meanwhile, that happened

1733
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 2: in however many seconds. So there was some of that,

1734
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, there there was some of the jump off,

1735
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 2: you know, kind of I call it the conversation between

1736
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: the horns and the halo was like, hey, you gotta

1737
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: jump off, jump off, jump off, and like, oh no,

1738
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 2: but if you jump off, you can't make it. You

1739
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: got to wait and get knocked off. And so I

1740
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 2: was going back and forth in my head like that

1741
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 2: and so but jumping off, but at times you just

1742
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 2: think I just gotta jump off, and then it was like,

1743
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: well no, but if you jump you can't make it.

1744
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 2: So but I ended up not jumping uh. In that

1745
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 2: then I made it. But that was an emotional time.

1746
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 2: I was in emotion. I was in a heavy time

1747
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: in my life in my relationship, and I was I

1748
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 2: think my guard was down too. I wasn't coming into

1749
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:02,759
Speaker 2: it thinking that I had an opportunity to do something

1750
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 2: that had been kind of a lifelong pursuit. I wasn't

1751
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 2: really looking at it like that. I was like, Oh, Tahiti, cool,

1752
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: be fun, catch some good waves, you know, reef break,

1753
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 2: get tubed and you know, beautiful clear water reefs like

1754
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 2: the and I grew up in that kind of environment,

1755
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 2: so it's real easy for me to go there. It

1756
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 2: was like, you know, Tahiti is the sister of Hawaii.

1757
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 2: It's like the big brother and the sister. She's beautiful,

1758
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 2: She's also dangerous, but she she's so I had already

1759
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 2: a relationship with the Tahesians and Tahiti because I grew

1760
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 2: up in Hawaii and culturally, and so I had a

1761
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: lot of comfort in that. But I didn't go I

1762
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 2: didn't go in thinking, oh, yeah, I'm going to get

1763
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 2: this huge wave and get these huge waves and be

1764
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 2: pressed and really challenged to this level. And so that

1765
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 2: I think, I that's it was kind of like a

1766
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 2: bolo kind of got a bolo hook from the side

1767
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: when I wasn't looking, and and and that I think

1768
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 2: that was you know that was just the way it went.

1769
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: Do you think in your next life you could be

1770
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: a meteorologist after studying?

1771
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 2: Can you if you can ride meteors? That'd be fun?

1772
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: Facts? Man, Now, did you you immediately after you hit

1773
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: this for the day? You guys know, you guys made

1774
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: history immediately or.

1775
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean we made our history. We made our history

1776
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 2: like for us, we were that was what it was

1777
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 2: about anyway, because it's so much like that anyway, right

1778
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 2: you can you can go out and do something that

1779
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 2: you think for you is monumental and then you see

1780
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 2: the pictures or you or just the way people people

1781
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 2: respond to it or like oh yeah, that's what's the

1782
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 2: big deal. And then you can do something that maybe

1783
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 2: you don't have the same thing and people make a

1784
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 2: deal out of it. But definitely for us, it was clear,

1785
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: like we were clear that what we had experienced, that

1786
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 2: we had a experienced something unlike anything that we ever

1787
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 2: could have imagined and uh, and there was no denying

1788
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 2: that like we were.

1789
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,480
Speaker 1: We were, we were clear about.

1790
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 2: About our and again having that new you know, that

1791
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 2: nucleus of your guys together and that whole thing, it

1792
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 2: was like, you know, if you ever doubted that you did,

1793
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 2: and you just look over at your buddy and he

1794
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: looks at you, and you're like exactly, like you know,

1795
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 2: and I know exactly, And so that's what's you know,

1796
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 2: that's what's nice about that about that kind of and

1797
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 2: you get the pictures and those things, and those things

1798
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 2: take time too. It wasn't like insta you know, this

1799
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: wasn't this was an instantaneous you know, these were these

1800
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 2: were five years, These were cameras, and these are cameras.

1801
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 2: These were like, wait till the stuff did the shot

1802
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 2: come out good? Was a guy in the one spot?

1803
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean, the truth is is that and I and

1804
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, we don't tell the story very often.

1805
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 2: But the one guy camera jammed, like the guy that

1806
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 2: had the film camera had had a jam. I mean,

1807
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 2: he had shot one of the other waves, but the

1808
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 2: actual wave, I think he's never he's camera jam. Yeah,

1809
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: like you know, like sixteen millimeters whatever, camera jam like,

1810
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 2: you know, like so, and then you got to get

1811
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 2: the thing, you know, you still got to get them.

1812
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 2: You gotta developed, you gotta yeah, exactly. Yeah, So there

1813
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 2: was all that. It wasn't like instantaneous come in and

1814
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: scroll the phone and be like all on post and

1815
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 2: there was none that we weren't doing that so but

1816
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 2: but I was, We're so used to that that was normal.

1817
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: It's our little twenty two year old that there's a

1818
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: lot of our You can't just take picture and see

1819
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: right away. Yeah you never Yeah, he's he's you never

1820
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: had that in his life. Yeah.

1821
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, you can't see right away and then throw away.

1822
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, see and throw. You can't just see and throw.

1823
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,759
Speaker 1: Now what's your reaction when you first see those picks?

1824
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's like and it's a great because first

1825
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 2: of all, when you are on the wave, you're not

1826
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 2: seeing the wave. Yeah, you're just seeing. You're seeing. You

1827
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 2: can feel it, you can feel it, and I know

1828
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 2: what it was like. I didn't I couldn't see it,

1829
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 2: but I could feel that thing. I mean, you just

1830
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 2: you feel waves, you know where you are on them.

1831
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 2: You can tell by what's you know, I said, Surfing's

1832
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 2: an interesting thing where you can you can tell what's

1833
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 2: going on behind you by what's happening in front of you.

1834
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 2: Not a lot of things are like that, but you know,

1835
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 2: like you can just look at what's happening in front

1836
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 2: of you and you just know what's happening behind you.

1837
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 2: So I knew what was going on in front of me,

1838
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 2: that there was something happening behind me, and that was

1839
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 2: unlike anything that I you know, and we listen, I've

1840
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 2: seen every kind of different grinding waves, and you know,

1841
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 2: because in Hawaii we have so much variety that you

1842
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 2: see some variation of every style of waves. So I

1843
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 2: had a pretty good idea just by the draw of

1844
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 2: the of the water. But but yeah, seeing the photographs

1845
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 2: and being able to look from the perspective and stuff,

1846
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: it's I mean there's some from land you can't appreciate.

1847
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 2: You can see the curve a little bit, but like

1848
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 2: from land, half of the wave is below the horizon,

1849
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 2: like you like the land shot from the land is

1850
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 2: like the waves you see only like the top half

1851
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 2: of the wave. Yeah, because it's subterranean, because like the

1852
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 2: whole thing's drawing off the off the reef. But yeah,

1853
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 2: I definitely seen the photos.

1854
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: As you know. That's insane now, how like.

1855
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 2: And to have and to have two guys shooting and

1856
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 2: have them be in the right spot, I mean they

1857
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 2: could like, oh, there's so many.

1858
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: Variables to are just not go bad or not or

1859
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 1: not go bad. Now. We always ask guys after these

1860
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: these games, or the women that have played in games

1861
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: that we we go over, Yeah, how'd you celebrate?

1862
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: Well? I had been not drinking and I think I

1863
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 2: had a beer. That was about the extent of it.

1864
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was about the extent of it. The

1865
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 2: boys and I think I got to talk to Gabby too,

1866
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 2: and I think that was like that was an emotional

1867
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 2: thing that I got to communicate with her. So that

1868
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 2: was cool that that was good. We hadn't been talking either,

1869
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 2: and then we got to My friend always likes to say,

1870
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,600
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and he wasn't drinking and we drank. You know,

1871
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 2: it's like I think I had a beer at lunch

1872
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 2: or something like that, just to try to decelerate. But

1873
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, the I mean, we have had a lot

1874
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 2: of experience with post traumatic just I call it. You know,

1875
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 2: after the surf gets giant, the bigger it is, the

1876
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 2: more aggressive it is, the more you come down. It's

1877
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 2: just the nature of the It might take you three days,

1878
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 2: could take a week. It depends on So I already

1879
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: was I've already at this point thirty six, I've had

1880
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 2: I've gotten it to be a little bit like I've

1881
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 2: gotten I've gotten better at it. I've gotten better at

1882
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 2: at kind of knowing what's coming, like how to pull

1883
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 2: the plane out before you just drive it in the

1884
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 2: into the ground, because you can do that easy. You

1885
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 2: can come off of that you know, that that high,

1886
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:49,640
Speaker 2: that that peak, and then just blow up, you know,

1887
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 2: drive it right into the ground. So try to pull

1888
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: that out a little bit. But I think I had

1889
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: to travel out of there pretty quick, and you know,

1890
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 2: there was other stuff to other stuff to do. But yeah, lunch,

1891
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 2: lunch on the thing and the rain and it was awesome.

1892
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: It was a good thing till the next one.

1893
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 6: That's right there, until the next perfect stormwave.

1894
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: What's the aftermath of this? Bad boy, Jackie. This became the.

1895
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 7: Biggest, the heaviest wave Laird had ever served, made surfing history.

1896
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 7: Was on magazine covers around the world Surfer magazine, to

1897
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,839
Speaker 7: be exact, one of the biggest ones toe in surfing

1898
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,679
Speaker 7: history was made. And this really changed the human perception

1899
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 7: of what was possible to do on a board, which

1900
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,719
Speaker 7: is just insane. Really gave gave birth to the modern

1901
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,719
Speaker 7: wave of big wave surfing. And of course it's further

1902
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:44,839
Speaker 7: cemented layered as a legend in the world of action sports, surfing,

1903
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:46,839
Speaker 7: all the above.

1904
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so sick, so sick.

1905
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 2: Well you know what that did, dude, though, to it

1906
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 2: did legitimize towing because towing was getting a wrap it

1907
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 2: was it was getting there was still like some hey,

1908
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 2: you know you, I mean, we can do you can

1909
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 2: paddle into these waves. There was still some kind of

1910
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 2: gray area that that the people weren't, you know, the

1911
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 2: so called core. Gaby and always laugh about core because

1912
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 2: she's like, like, how do you get more core than

1913
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 2: just dedicating your whole entire life to something in every

1914
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 2: waking hour And you know, like but maybe you just

1915
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 2: need to write shorts or something. I don't know, but so,

1916
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 2: but but the core, you know, like they're talking about

1917
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 2: core and and we're but the that kind of really

1918
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 2: made it was a clear line about what what toe

1919
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 2: in could do. And then and then the result of

1920
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 2: that now is okay, not only Jaws and other other stuff,

1921
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 2: but you know, you have like Nazaree exists because of it.

1922
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 2: Without toe In, Nazaree wouldn't be Nazaree. Like Nazaree is

1923
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 2: something because of the of towing in. So, uh, that's

1924
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 2: an example of what Portugal. Yeah you ever thought about Yeah,

1925
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 2: if we foiled that way, you foiled that wave. We did.

1926
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 2: We foiled it giant too, Like wow, how.

1927
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: High that things like a hundred footer.

1928
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's got a unique thing that it does.

1929
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 2: You know again, waves do all kinds of you know,

1930
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 2: there's rogue waves, and that wave has a unique ability

1931
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 2: to take two waves and stack them on top of

1932
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 2: each other, and not like a rogue wave where they

1933
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 2: become one, but they they two separate pieces go across

1934
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 2: each other at the moment that it's going to break.

1935
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 2: So it it it. It has a strange thing where

1936
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 2: it'll have the face of a wave. That's that's you

1937
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 2: know whatever they whatever measurement they're giving it because they

1938
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 2: love to do that, you know againness world record. I'm like, oh,

1939
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 2: here we go. You know, it's like how do you

1940
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 2: measure a cube by measuring the face of it? You know,

1941
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 2: It's like it's just like it's an impossible thing. But

1942
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 2: but but yeah, that that that uh, that place does

1943
01:35:56,680 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: a unique has a unique a topography on the bottom

1944
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 2: has a unique uh a thing where it makes the

1945
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 2: wave grow into two waves. And it's right in front

1946
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 2: of a cliff. There's no doubt the danger of that

1947
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 2: spot is is real and and them beautiful. It's just

1948
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 2: again it's another one of these special natural you know phenomenons. Yeah,

1949
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 2: it's one of It's like one of the seven Wonders

1950
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 2: of the world. Like you go there, it's like high

1951
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,879
Speaker 2: level stuff. And you go to Yosemite, who You're like, wow, beautiful.

1952
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 2: You go to Jaws, You're like, oh my gosh, go

1953
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 2: to Chopo, Wow, amazing. It's like these are like and

1954
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 2: this is nature. And so there's some you know there,

1955
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 2: there's worth seeing. Let's just put it that way. Yeah,

1956
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 2: worth worth going to, worth experiencing.

1957
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: That's and you got crazy dudes like you that go

1958
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: fucking surf.

1959
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 2: It seems like there's no shortage. They're making a new

1960
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 2: one every day.

1961
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 1: They are now last legacy of this. Where does this

1962
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Where does this rank among best moments in surfing history

1963
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: for you individually?

1964
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 7: Is that?

1965
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Is this your high or is there still like we

1966
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:05,640
Speaker 1: already we already kind of went over that.

1967
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I obviously I think it's a

1968
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean I look at it like a heart rate.

1969
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 2: It's one of the high points, multiple high points. So

1970
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 2: one of what I would say one one of I mean,

1971
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 2: at the time it was the it was the crescendo,

1972
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 2: but there's been other you know, bro, Yeah.

1973
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: They no flat line. And then and then who's the

1974
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:38,600
Speaker 1: mount rushmore of surfers for you? For you individually. It

1975
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be the best, but well, I.

1976
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 2: Mean four, I mean you'd have to give you know,

1977
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 2: you'd have to give the Duke right kind of the

1978
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 2: award for first of all, spreading it all over the world.

1979
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 2: Crazy Olympic gold medalists outswam everybody with the weirdest you know,

1980
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 2: like didn't even know how to kick turn and smoked everybody.

1981
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 2: Rescued du Kahanamoku rescued, rescued a boat full of like

1982
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,759
Speaker 2: spend it days saving like a boat somewhere in californ

1983
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 2: Southern California boat rolled over and went out and saved

1984
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 2: all these people and didn't couldn't save them all, And

1985
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 2: it was pretty He was pretty destroyed from that. But

1986
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 2: you know, somebody like that, like you give the It's

1987
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 2: hard for me to give it to any anybody now

1988
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 2: because it's I don't know if we're capable of that yet,

1989
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 2: you know, Like I don't know if we can. I

1990
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 2: think that that's somebody like that, right, it's got to

1991
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 2: be somebody that that has already lived. Yeah, you know

1992
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 2: you got you gotta be Yeah, you gotta be dead.

1993
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 1: You gotta be dead.

1994
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 2: You can't you only that's a that's a you gotta

1995
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 2: be only dead trophy. Yeah, you know, true, only the

1996
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 2: dead guys.

1997
01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break. And this

1998
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: is this. We're coming to the end where we score

1999
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 1: the game. We usually score a game. We'll score the wave,

2000
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: the name of the game, the name of the wave,

2001
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: the millennium wave, the oh my God wave, the heaviest

2002
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 1: wave of all time? Which one would you like to pick?

2003
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: The millennium wave, oh my God wave, or do you

2004
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: have something oh my God wave, oh my God wave?

2005
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like that? Love that score the game? Is

2006
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it.

2007
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: The stakes of the wave zero to ten got to

2008
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: be like nine nine. I'm going I mean, you're pretty

2009
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 1: much dying if you don't do this thing right. Done so,

2010
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 1: and it's the heaviest of all time. Hasn't been done.

2011
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 1: That's a nine.

2012
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 6: Jack did nine point five, I did eight point nine.

2013
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: Y a point nine Kyler Russian judge, my spectrum, Russian

2014
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: judge confording, this is tough.

2015
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 6: You're doing my best here.

2016
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:07,440
Speaker 1: I know, star power zero to ten of the team.

2017
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 2: The team probably get five five, five guys.

2018
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 1: That's right, baby, I'm going fucking you can include the

2019
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: wave to the wave.

2020
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, well so then you get nine

2021
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 2: to five.

2022
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm going star power. We've got ten flared baby, let's see.

2023
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: Russian judge Jack did seven even I did say, yeah,

2024
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 1: oh wow.

2025
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 6: Just the amount of people, like we do a football game,

2026
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 6: you get.

2027
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, a lot of you know, fucking guys. Yeah.

2028
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 1: The waveplay or should I say waveplay usually how the

2029
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 1: game goes back and forth wave?

2030
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 2: That was the wave play was pretty that was you know,

2031
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 2: I go nine to nine again.

2032
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 1: Nine nine, I gotta go nine Jack with an eight

2033
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: point one seven score. The name of the wave, oh

2034
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: my god, wave.

2035
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,240
Speaker 6: And also the cultural impact to the.

2036
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 1: Cultural impact, that's it's it's a huge.

2037
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 10: Significant I gotta go first zero zero zero, modesty zero

2038
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 10: and then.

2039
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 1: Cultural impact. We didn't even think we could serve this

2040
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 1: fucking wave before.

2041
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 8: I'm going nine duels with nine. Jack is a seven

2042
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 8: point six. I did an eight point eight what's our

2043
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:45,719
Speaker 8: grand total?

2044
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:51,839
Speaker 7: Calculating eight point one six in the games that we've done.

2045
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:57,679
Speaker 8: Puts US at seventeen, just above the twenty eleven NBA

2046
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 8: Finals Game six Mass versus Heat, and US below the

2047
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 8: wide white right Super Bowl twenty five with the Bills

2048
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 8: versus the Giants.

2049
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 6: That's respectable.

2050
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 1: That's very respectable.

2051
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 2: I'm in good company, a lot of good company. Lard.

2052
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for coming on totally Games

2053
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: with Names. This is Waves with Names now for this

2054
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 1: specific episode.

2055
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 2: It's in there. Yea, what do you?

2056
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:27,520
Speaker 1: What do you? That's my little doggie Rocky.

2057
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 6: Also check out Laird's Superfood. We're all conceised.

2058
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Lared, we've got your superfood. Can you give

2059
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 1: us a little yeah run down on that.

2060
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 2: We got to tell the folks, well, there's there's a

2061
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 2: lot of incredible products in that line. And it started

2062
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 2: from like my own personal love for coffee and then

2063
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 2: using that as energy and then and we kind of

2064
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 2: are the basis is really that we're all the ingredients

2065
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 2: or whole food ingredients. Yeah, so we're not putting any

2066
01:42:55,920 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 2: weird stuff, no bad oils, no bad fillers, no, and uh,

2067
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 2: I mean we have green incredible greens, incredible red performance

2068
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 2: mushroom stuff. We have all the creamers, we have instant line,

2069
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,799
Speaker 2: we have incredible hydration products, and we have crazy bars. Yeah,

2070
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 2: like and so, but but really just stuff that you

2071
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 2: can go in with a free conscience. Yeah, you know

2072
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 2: stuff that's yeah, that's good. So and there's nothing that

2073
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 2: somebody doesn't like. Like I said, there's there's something for everybody.

2074
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 1: And he's got this tumeric powder that I'm gonna put

2075
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:32,839
Speaker 1: on my ribs.

2076
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do that. I'm gonna cook with it.

2077
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna thank me for that. That's that's

2078
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 2: high level.

2079
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 1: And for all you guys that are listening out there,

2080
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 1: like just to put in perspective, this guy's sixty years old,

2081
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 1: and whatever he puts in his body, you should definitely

2082
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 1: put what he's putting in his body. He looks like

2083
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:51,480
Speaker 1: he's fucking thirty one. Facts.

2084
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, we have all the good fats,

2085
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 2: we have all the nutrients. I'm surfing. I just wish

2086
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 2: chicks dig me. But they're all my daughters, well my wife.

2087
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 1: That's the only ones that matter. That's the only one

2088
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 1: that Thank you so much for coming, man, I appreciate it.

2089
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 2: Aloha, Bro, you are we appreciate it.

2090
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 1: Man. I have a new Man crush, absolute icon. I'm

2091
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: right there with you. Bro. Laird is so cool. Mindset

2092
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: Aura talk about Aura Aura through the Oh my god,

2093
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 1: Bro looks Aura Max Bro. Yeah, I mean, handsome, cool,

2094
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: got balls. But he all seems like a great dad.

2095
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 1: He does Bro. Family guy. No family guy loves his wife.

2096
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:49,080
Speaker 1: I was, I was a little shook.

2097
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 7: I'm not even gonna lie, Bro, I've been I've been

2098
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,760
Speaker 7: watching Laired. I've been drinking Layered for years and years. Man,

2099
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 7: No diddy on drinking Laird like creamer the mushrooms like

2100
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 7: I'm I'm gonna either.

2101
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: We're stacked up with the Lared. I'm a Lair evangelist.

2102
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 1: Super food so good. I'm gonna go train. I gotta

2103
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 1: go train. You got you got the int you got

2104
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 1: the that is, oh my god, Bro'm intimidating.

2105
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 7: Also, is is Laired our first guest that we can

2106
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 7: just refer to by first name and you know him?

2107
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,719
Speaker 7: He might be our first guest that it has name. Yeah,

2108
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 7: it's like Lebron, It's like share Laired Prince.

2109
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 1: I think he might be dude, no, Gronk, Gronk, Gronk.

2110
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:36,600
Speaker 1: It was the last name though it's one part of

2111
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 1: the last name. But but close. That's our that's what

2112
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: we've gone. Lily met Gronk yesterday. She met him when

2113
01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:46,879
Speaker 1: she was younger, and I go, yeah, this is uh,

2114
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: this is Rob, remember him, Lil, And she's like, no,

2115
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 1: she's the kind of shy because Rob is a big guy.

2116
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 1: You know. Rob starts being Rob and he's gives such

2117
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 1: big kid vibes. So you could tell that. She like,

2118
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 1: she was comfortable and we're getting the car to go

2119
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 1: to soccer. I go, you don't remember Rob. She was, uh,

2120
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 1: not really? I go, you remember Rob Gronkowski. She goes,

2121
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 1: that's Gronk. I go, yeah, she goes, he just looked

2122
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 1: a little different. I didn't know that was Gronk. He said,

2123
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 1: you said his name was Rob. I got his name

2124
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 1: is Rob Grenkowski.

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01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 8: Due, I thought you were gonna say, because you were like,

2126
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 8: this is Rob. He's one of the greatest football players

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01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 8: of all time. And then Rob goes one of news alert,

2128
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 8: News alert, Rob might be joining the Coast Productions Fantasy

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01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 8: Football League.

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01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 1: Oh I like that. I wonder, how wonder how he's

2131
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna take it. The league got his name, No, I

2132
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 1: don't know if I can say it yet. Does he

2133
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 1: have it already?

2134
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 6: Instantly he said, what do you say.

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01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 8: Gronk sore ass theronk as.

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01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 7: He's trying to rival the Ernie Adams family as far as.

2137
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's trying to rival it.

2138
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 7: Man, he's already coming in baby throwing, making waves, throwing haymakers.

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01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:17,439
Speaker 1: That was awesome.

2140
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 7: Oh my godster, I can't wait for Fantasy now with

2141
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 7: Gronk in the league.

2142
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:24,839
Speaker 1: Man, we got.

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01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 7: Bro and before we While we're back on the layered topic,

2144
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 7: gotta let the fans know just what Jewels is rocking today.

2145
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 1: By the way, this.

2146
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 7: Is a deep cut, real deal o G vintage. I

2147
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 7: bet y'all didn't even know Laird was with Nike back

2148
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 7: in the day, Nike Aqua gear, layered, dead stock vintage

2149
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 7: of my rebox.

2150
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 1: Though you see that facts fact, we love Shadowy Box,

2151
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: but just had to shout it out, let the people

2152
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: know what you got on.

2153
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 8: We were also so nervous about having Laired on the

2154
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 8: show that like Jules has a whole sauna set up,

2155
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 8: and like the cold plan, I don't know if was

2156
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:00,599
Speaker 8: be cold enough.

2157
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 6: So Jewels was like, let's go get some ic and

2158
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 6: get the cold puns cold enough.

2159
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wanted my fucking like because I

2160
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: cleaned it and usually it takes like two days to

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01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,679
Speaker 1: get to like cold cold Max timp and I needed

2162
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 1: my just for him if he wanted to take his

2163
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 1: hand in or go baby, do a cold punch sash together.

2164
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:19,640
Speaker 1: I had ready, had to be ready, be ready. We

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01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: had to beat you. Stay ready. You ain't got to

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01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:23,240
Speaker 1: get ready. He shout.

2167
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 7: And shout out to all our boys in the field.

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01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:30,640
Speaker 7: We called on all our surfing community homies, Steve.

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01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,759
Speaker 1: Rob Will, we called on everybody. Shout out to everybody. Yeah,

2170
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 1: that was that was fun. That was a fun episode

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01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:39,560
Speaker 1: and our boys in the field. Guy's a poem but

2172
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 1: he's like a poet. He's a poet, bro. He had

2173
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: like some serious knowledge. There's four or five things he

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01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,719
Speaker 1: said that just rolled off his tongue where I'm like, man,

2175
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 1: that's cool. I tried your memory trying to drop in

2176
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 1: the point break. Yeah, he didn't acknowledge it.

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01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 2: Wait was it Utah Yeah with the Sharks?

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01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, said I said, you know, he said it

2179
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't have He said something like if if if a

2180
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 1: fucking shark takes me out, that's a hell of way

2181
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 1: to go out or something like that, right, And I go, well,

2182
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:09,640
Speaker 1: you know you die. He died doing something you love.

2183
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 1: It's not a tragedy, Laird. Oh yeah, didn't. I don't

2184
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 1: know if you heard it. Maybe not. You know that

2185
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: movie thought he was in the remake though.

2186
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 8: I mean, before we move on, we'd like to do

2187
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 8: like stupid questions in like the pop culture and just

2188
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 8: the dumb question of like riding the perfect wave. And

2189
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:28,519
Speaker 8: he'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm already working on it,

2190
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 8: the perfect perfect.

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01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:31,840
Speaker 1: Excuse me, a perfect star? Oh yeah, I got playing serious.

2192
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:33,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I could do it. You just gotta get me

2193
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 6: out there.

2194
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: No, he was more like, it's I haven't got it,

2195
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 1: or what do you say it's possible. He's like, we're

2196
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:41,400
Speaker 1: working on I got my guys. These guys they just

2197
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 1: admit testosterone. I got road was that is? I mean?

2198
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 1: That was sick?

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Speaker 7: All right?

2200
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 6: What do we got here for this postcust segment?

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01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 3: Here?

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01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 1: NFL week one around the Corner, which means it's fantasy

2203
01:49:56,160 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 1: football draft season. On today's Hotline, Blue will answer your

2204
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 1: burning fantasy questions to help you win your league like

2205
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win mine. I hope Rob is not listening

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01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 1: to this. I'm taking Rob out bite his kneecaps. I'm

2207
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna mc DC him again. That number is four two

2208
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 1: four two nine one two two nine zero. Let's get

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01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 1: into it. Also with Gronk. I told Lily that Gronk

2210
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 1: could take John Cena. Oh totally could, just because that's

2211
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 1: the only way she would think I'm cool is if

2212
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:32,639
Speaker 1: I know someone do that. So she goes. She looked

2213
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 1: at me. She goes, does that mean he's stronger than you?

2214
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:39,559
Speaker 1: I go It was defeating, but I had to tell.

2215
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 1: I had to tell my daughter.

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01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:44,720
Speaker 7: Got Lil's of John cenahead Johnson.

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01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:47,599
Speaker 1: No more, though she's run out of the Jensen.

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01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 11: Oh man, it's up destroy.

2219
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 4: I was just wondering about I went.

2220
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 6: Falcon this year for Fantasy.

2221
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 11: I've been thinking about Jon Robbins in a lot fanscotted

2222
01:50:59,240 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 11: way too high.

2223
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 2: He's going to use last year, in my.

2224
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 11: Opinion, this year, new head, coach, new system, and he's

2225
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 11: gonna be a big breakout player. Now they yet and.

2226
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 1: Justin Simmons, I don't know.

2227
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 11: It's not fantasy, but Falcons Falcons that's the coach and

2228
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:21,439
Speaker 11: figure it out.

2229
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what's the question. Is Bjeon Roger Robinson

2230
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 1: a monster thinking? Yeah, I think he's gonna be I mean,

2231
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:34,520
Speaker 1: he's he was electric last year. He's got to stay healthy.

2232
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 6: Not a lot of belt cut backs out there either.

2233
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 1: So the thing is they had the other back, who's

2234
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 1: the other alge Tyler Algier. He was getting a lot

2235
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 1: of the run. Maybe he gets a little more of

2236
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 1: it this year, Bjon. But you know, I don't know

2237
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 1: how the team's gonna do with it. Maybe they do

2238
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 1: the two back system to like try to save the

2239
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,640
Speaker 1: guy because you want him in December, you know, and

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01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 1: this team. I mean that that Judon trade, that's I

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01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:03,640
Speaker 1: think that's a win for both teams. Yeah, you know,

2242
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 1: Juda didn't want to be there anymore, you know, for

2243
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: that price and that you know, they they're not gonna

2244
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, Patriots are looking at he's thirty two, he

2245
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 1: didn't play last year. We can't reward him. That's how

2246
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 1: at least that's how I think that they probably think,

2247
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:23,479
Speaker 1: then you get a third for him, get a third

2248
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: the Falcons, you know, they're gonna pick up a guy

2249
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 1: that they needed. They needed an edge guy eight like

2250
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 1: they lucked into that. You know that this right here

2251
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 1: makes the Michael Pennix pick look a lot better. I

2252
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 1: think because they should have used an edge guy.

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01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 2: They have.

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01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 1: No They couldn't stop the run or get out the

2255
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 1: passer last year at all. They lost a lot of

2256
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: those one possession games last year. I swear, I don't know.

2257
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,680
Speaker 1: And now you got a pass rusher like Judaan, and like,

2258
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna that's that's gonna be. They got a

2259
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: really good team. It's gonna come down to the coach like, like,

2260
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 1: what's our guy? Troy said. The coaches can figure it out.

2261
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:57,759
Speaker 8: And I think I'm like from a fantasy perspective, for

2262
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 8: for Robinson, there's a quarterback there now, you know, so

2263
01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 8: that makes the offense better.

2264
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 1: There is potentially you know, you.

2265
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:05,160
Speaker 8: Have to think he's gonna get a lot of the touches,

2266
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 8: particularly in the red area.

2267
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 1: Good pick. I think it's a good I think I

2268
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 1: think jan I think this is a really good question.

2269
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 1: I think great great trade for both. Jud is going

2270
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: to go to a better team, have a chance to

2271
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,799
Speaker 1: play in the playoffs. Patriot's gonna get the third rounder

2272
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:28,679
Speaker 1: they need to get some lineman. Let's go, maybe a

2273
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 1: playmaker you never know. I like how you described them

2274
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 1: as devious. That a baby Troy Is he like that?

2275
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 1: That's a good word. Guys.

2276
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:39,160
Speaker 5: It's Ricky from Burr, Rhode Island.

2277
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:39,719
Speaker 4: Uh.

2278
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:41,759
Speaker 5: You guys have been a part of my morning routine

2279
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 5: since uh Sam was on hosting you uh every week

2280
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 5: makes me uh you know, get up out of bed,

2281
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:51,920
Speaker 5: be able to listen to that podcast and get ready

2282
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:56,400
Speaker 5: to go to school. But my fantasy question is I

2283
01:53:56,479 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 5: took CD LAMB in the first round, third pick overall,

2284
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:02,600
Speaker 5: and right now I'm just a little worried with my

2285
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 5: pick because you know, the whole contract issue with Jerry

2286
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 5: Jones not really seem to want to get a deal

2287
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,600
Speaker 5: done with him. What do you guys think should I

2288
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 5: should I trade him for something more safe? Or do

2289
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 5: you think I should just hold on because of that

2290
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:19,519
Speaker 5: output that he could potentially have for my team? Uh?

2291
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's pretty much it.

2292
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:24,160
Speaker 5: Thank you guys for making each giving me something to

2293
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:25,959
Speaker 5: look forward to each week for classes.

2294
01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 1: All right, see you, Ricky, no problem. We We're honored

2295
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:31,680
Speaker 1: to have you.

2296
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 6: Is he listening to the show during class?

2297
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 1: Dude?

2298
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 7: I hope so bro, that's like we're dropping serious knowledge. Man,

2299
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:39,600
Speaker 7: this is four hundred level stuff.

2300
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 1: I guess I haven't. I haven't dropped enough knowledge because

2301
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 1: first off, what is my guy doing having a draft

2302
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:53,200
Speaker 1: this far before? Yeah, well, we can't have draft. We

2303
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:58,600
Speaker 1: still don't even know her. Yeah, week one, Like you

2304
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 1: need to have cemented rosters before we start drafting. We're

2305
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 1: ninety guys right now. I mean, what if you drafted

2306
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:13,840
Speaker 1: Dadlson or JJ McCarthy gone for the year. What are

2307
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: we doing? So I admire the courage of having an

2308
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:25,240
Speaker 1: early draft, but this is a tough situation because Jerry

2309
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 1: playing hardball. Jerry playing hardball? And what what makes me

2310
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:34,760
Speaker 1: a little scared with the Ceedee Lamb situation? When he

2311
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:37,080
Speaker 1: comes back? Is he going to be in football shape?

2312
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 1: I'd say that two things can come with that. Now,

2313
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:42,760
Speaker 1: Now he could he could be Ceedee Lamb and still

2314
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:45,440
Speaker 1: just come start bawling like we right out the gate,

2315
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:48,200
Speaker 1: like we know he can't, like you know he can't. Well,

2316
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 1: when you don't have that that that that training camp,

2317
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 1: you're susceptible to maybe a hamstring pool or does he

2318
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 1: have his football legs under him? Does he last the

2319
01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 1: whole year? That's a tricky situation. Would I trade him?

2320
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:03,560
Speaker 1: I would trade him and try to get a running back.

2321
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 1: Would you really scared? Don't make money?

2322
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:07,280
Speaker 2: All right?

2323
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 8: You drafted a guy like him and Prescott have a connection.

2324
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 8: Just fucking you did it. Let's go all right.

2325
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 7: I think he did the right thing at the time

2326
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 7: because cd IS is certainly ranked on all the boards.

2327
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 1: Who else say, throwing two over there? I like ferguson

2328
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 1: the tight end. I like Ferguson. Yeah, he's nice with it.

2329
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 7: Michael Gallup, Uh, Brandy Cooks bro I like Cookie Cooks

2330
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 7: back there.

2331
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:32,840
Speaker 1: I like Cookie. But he's gonna be getting a lot

2332
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 1: of that coverage, I bet this year because he had

2333
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty something catches last year.

2334
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:40,640
Speaker 7: Zeke's back there, baby, we got Zeke back. But I mean, Ricky,

2335
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 7: I think you made the right move in the moment.

2336
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:48,120
Speaker 1: First pick, third, overall with receiver PR that's all PPR?

2337
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:49,080
Speaker 1: Is it a PPR?

2338
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2339
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 1: I suspect. But even it's PPR, you're still dependent on

2340
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 1: the execution of a pass. And don't you always go

2341
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:58,600
Speaker 1: running back first? PPR? It's changing a lot lately, you

2342
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:00,040
Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, I see that.

2343
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:02,520
Speaker 6: It's hard like people are kind of why didn't he

2344
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,560
Speaker 6: get Tyreek getting older?

2345
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: Maybe Tua, would.

2346
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 6: You rather throw in your guy?

2347
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: You're telling me you rather have Ceedee Lamb over Tyreek

2348
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 1: Hill in fantasy football. I'm not telling you that to

2349
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: a place in the sunshine half the year you're gonna have.

2350
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 1: You know that for a fact, Tyreek Hill is gonna

2351
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 1: have like a forty point game.

2352
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:21,520
Speaker 6: Cowboys playing fact.

2353
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 1: I know there's also a lot of pressure and agony

2354
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 1: going on over there. Maybe that messes up the funk

2355
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: schway of the team. Mc muffins are a little extra

2356
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 1: salty baby.

2357
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 6: Extra sut extra feeds in Miami too.

2358
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 1: A lot of mouths then got you got the boys?

2359
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:40,600
Speaker 1: When you're paying a guy like Tyreek Hill? What is

2360
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:41,200
Speaker 1: he thirty one?

2361
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:44,080
Speaker 6: He was on a crazy pace last year too, You

2362
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 6: had like what.

2363
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:49,720
Speaker 1: To yeah, thirty thirty Yeah, Now even if he slowed

2364
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,320
Speaker 1: down ten percent, is still faster everyone.

2365
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 7: He's got no alliles, baby, he can be He mightst

2366
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:56,840
Speaker 7: know us. He said he could dust him.

2367
01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:57,720
Speaker 1: He said that.

2368
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 7: He said no, he didn't. Yes, bro, he laid down

2369
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:03,040
Speaker 7: the gauntlet. Wait what he laid down the goal? He

2370
01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 7: said he wanted to challenge Noel Aisles. I don't know

2371
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:07,000
Speaker 7: if it was a fifty or forty yard dash.

2372
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, oh forty, he didn't want to go Hundy.

2373
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to go Hundy. Maybe

2374
01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:13,760
Speaker 1: he made maybe he did mean hundred I mean Tyreek,

2375
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 1: get out the blocks, bro, those but those guys, those

2376
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:21,840
Speaker 1: guys now, the new hundred hundred sprinters are like six three.

2377
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 1: I know they're long, big bodies. Maybe they can move.

2378
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,040
Speaker 1: That would be so fun. I'd paid to watch that,

2379
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:30,680
Speaker 1: would pay to watch that. I just want to see.

2380
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 1: I just want to see what those like.

2381
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:35,080
Speaker 6: Man versus beast like haven't run against like a I.

2382
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:39,160
Speaker 1: Think the fucking or something didn't he or some shit?

2383
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:42,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, Bro, My last piece of advice for Ricky fantasy,

2384
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 7: I don't care about that out the window weird part

2385
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:46,240
Speaker 7: of your morning routine.

2386
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 1: I suggest you add a little bit of layered super

2387
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:51,560
Speaker 1: food in that baby little layers super morning routine. I

2388
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 1: put that in there. You get your You know what,

2389
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:56,200
Speaker 1: if you would have done that, you're cognitive because of

2390
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 1: all these mushroom supplements would have made you realize it.

2391
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Like man, we should have probably had this draft six

2392
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 1: weeks later next year adapted next year.

2393
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:11,720
Speaker 2: Jure Julian Uh actually miss my name is Joey.

2394
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 1: Who he thinks to be the second third tape.

2395
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:18,720
Speaker 8: Go past second or third tape in the second or

2396
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:21,720
Speaker 8: third pick. So it's the conversation we're having, Is it

2397
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 8: so McCaffrey one?

2398
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 6: Probably so? Is it see Lambor Tiger Kill?

2399
01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 1: I think we covered it?

2400
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2401
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2402
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:29,880
Speaker 7: Or do you throw like a Jamar Chase or Justin

2403
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:34,040
Speaker 7: Jefferson in there? Probably not, I know Justin Jefferson. Sam

2404
01:59:34,120 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 7: Donald might be seeing some ghosts out here ray that.

2405
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:40,200
Speaker 7: I'm interested to see Sam in a good in a

2406
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:41,520
Speaker 7: good offensive scheme.

2407
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Colin Coward's got me thinking about Sam

2408
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:48,920
Speaker 1: Donald being decently, but remember how he gets his takes

2409
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:50,200
Speaker 1: what we told us.

2410
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:52,400
Speaker 6: He just likes to just like, what's the best story?

2411
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 1: No, but he likes Sam Donald. Over the years, He's

2412
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 1: always had his back.

2413
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,280
Speaker 6: He could be Baker Mayfield type season this year.

2414
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:01,120
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, because you got a lot of

2415
02:00:01,120 --> 02:00:05,080
Speaker 1: talent around them. We got one less with Addison out.

2416
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 1: It's terrible, but I mean, who is who be kidding?

2417
02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: Do we think JJ McCarthy was gonna come in and

2418
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:11,040
Speaker 1: lighted up right away?

2419
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:15,480
Speaker 8: It's media, NFL media going crazy and early preseason. Let's

2420
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:16,800
Speaker 8: do two more here right home.

2421
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:21,640
Speaker 4: Jules wondering if it's worth taking Tom Brady in the

2422
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 4: last round of fantasy draft this year.

2423
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:27,480
Speaker 2: Let me know if you have the insight it you

2424
02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 2: coming back for that?

2425
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:31,680
Speaker 1: Thanks Tom Brady in the last round. I mean, I'll

2426
02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:34,160
Speaker 1: probably do it if he's available. Don't hate it.

2427
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:35,680
Speaker 6: You do like the horrid quarterbacks.

2428
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:39,440
Speaker 1: I do HORD. I like Hord quarterbacks, and speaking of Minnesota,

2429
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:40,160
Speaker 1: because you can get.

2430
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:42,480
Speaker 6: Trade BA but then send bullshit trade offers all year.

2431
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you need a quarterback. Those quarterbacks out perform

2432
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 1: your quarterback so much better than what your quarterback. The

2433
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:50,400
Speaker 1: only reason you.

2434
02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 8: Beat me last year in the playoffs, which I'm still

2435
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:54,560
Speaker 8: bitter about, is because I was on a beach in

2436
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:58,720
Speaker 8: Costa Rica on Christmas Day and fucking Josh Jacobs didn't play.

2437
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:01,360
Speaker 8: And I just like the one time I didn't obsessively

2438
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:04,440
Speaker 8: check I'm on my honeymoon, I didn't obsessively check fantasy football,

2439
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:06,560
Speaker 8: and you fucking beat me by like four points.

2440
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:10,560
Speaker 1: Bullshit, what do you talk? I can't think, I can't

2441
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:13,720
Speaker 1: I can't take credit for that win. I gotta sit

2442
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:17,800
Speaker 1: and thank each and every individual on my fantasy football team.

2443
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:21,560
Speaker 1: My guys went out there that day and they put

2444
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:24,320
Speaker 1: a little extra into it. They caught a couple.

2445
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 6: Extra balls after a win.

2446
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think them all the time, ingrats King, You know,

2447
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:33,960
Speaker 1: I gotta take those guys. They had the competitive stamina

2448
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:39,080
Speaker 1: in the championship rounds to be able to overthrow your guys.

2449
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:43,480
Speaker 1: I you know, everyone can be a winner overthrowed. Not

2450
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 1: everyone could be a winner. Fact, I will never apologize

2451
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:46,800
Speaker 1: for winning.

2452
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:49,760
Speaker 8: Don't draft Tom Brady in the last round. What you

2453
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:52,680
Speaker 8: do is you let them sit on waivers for a while, right,

2454
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:54,120
Speaker 8: and then when your team's in the play.

2455
02:01:54,040 --> 02:01:56,680
Speaker 1: You definitely don't draft Tom Brady. See him. He's doing

2456
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:01,680
Speaker 1: cliff dives in fucking Paris right now. This guy throwing

2457
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:06,800
Speaker 1: a football team both throwing fucking bombs on two guys

2458
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 1: on jet Skis you think your team take a hit

2459
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:11,480
Speaker 1: teams in the playoffs. He looked good though, his body

2460
02:02:11,480 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 1: looking good.

2461
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:14,560
Speaker 6: I saw him shooting a hockey hockey stick today.

2462
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:15,200
Speaker 2: Is he good?

2463
02:02:15,480 --> 02:02:18,240
Speaker 1: It's okay, he's the athletic, He's Tom Brady, bro. But

2464
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 1: you know that I'm coming back. Vlog is gonna hit

2465
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:23,960
Speaker 1: extra hard. You got a blog right now, what's it called.

2466
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:26,760
Speaker 1: It's called I think it's called Last Week.

2467
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:30,560
Speaker 7: Wait waity, guy, give us the rationale? Thought here, what

2468
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:31,560
Speaker 7: do you do if your GM?

2469
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 1: Okay?

2470
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:33,600
Speaker 8: So this is my this is my move, and this

2471
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:36,720
Speaker 8: move has got me a couple of championships. You can't

2472
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:39,040
Speaker 8: do it in the season, right because that's a wasted

2473
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 8: roster spot. When it comes playoff times and you kind

2474
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 8: of have your team and you've got a couple of defenses,

2475
02:02:43,880 --> 02:02:44,240
Speaker 8: what you.

2476
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:45,680
Speaker 6: Do is you need a locker room guy.

2477
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:47,200
Speaker 1: You need a character guy.

2478
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:49,839
Speaker 8: I've won a couple of championships picking up Tim Tebow,

2479
02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:53,360
Speaker 8: just riding up the group. I did it with Tony

2480
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:55,120
Speaker 8: Gonzalez when he was out of the league. I just

2481
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:57,840
Speaker 8: needed some veteran leadership. I did it with you. You were

2482
02:02:58,120 --> 02:03:00,360
Speaker 8: not playing anymore, but I brought you in because I

2483
02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:03,240
Speaker 8: needed some I needed some fucking sandpaper in the locker room.

2484
02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:03,800
Speaker 2: It works.

2485
02:03:04,120 --> 02:03:07,680
Speaker 6: So maybe Tom Brady in the playoffs. He's a winner, you.

2486
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:11,720
Speaker 1: Know what, Kyler, that's the wise Old Bill Belichick would

2487
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:15,400
Speaker 1: tell me this is a production business. So you could

2488
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:17,000
Speaker 1: do all the hooting and holler, and you would fucking

2489
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:19,520
Speaker 1: want to do you can have the pregame speech. You

2490
02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:23,040
Speaker 1: could do the goddamn war dance before the game, the fire,

2491
02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:26,040
Speaker 1: the smoke. This that all comes down to the little

2492
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:30,600
Speaker 1: fucker produce when it's a pressure situation. And that weekend,

2493
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:35,560
Speaker 1: My guys, did you know some of us, some of

2494
02:03:35,640 --> 02:03:39,800
Speaker 1: us were you know, behind the keyboard making move some

2495
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:42,440
Speaker 1: somewhere in fucking beaches in Costa Rica. Who would you?

2496
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:45,040
Speaker 1: Who you think is he will win? That? I'm gonna

2497
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:47,879
Speaker 1: start calling you. You did the boat trip to Miami,

2498
02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:52,000
Speaker 1: bro You boat trip to Miami, Billy, That won't make

2499
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:55,440
Speaker 1: that a means off. Get Kyler and his wife on

2500
02:03:55,480 --> 02:03:59,440
Speaker 1: the on the boat in Miami, head shot it, maybe,

2501
02:03:59,600 --> 02:04:02,120
Speaker 1: don't you? Did you bring a dog or something and

2502
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:05,920
Speaker 1: make sure you would put some weird sandals and some

2503
02:04:06,120 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 1: uh blue socks on? Are they blue today?

2504
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:10,600
Speaker 6: They're green?

2505
02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 1: Oh? They're green.

2506
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:16,160
Speaker 8: Speaking of our photoshop, our last our last questions from

2507
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:19,120
Speaker 8: our guy donninsident photoshop guy.

2508
02:04:19,120 --> 02:04:19,840
Speaker 6: He's our meme guy.

2509
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:20,760
Speaker 1: Where's our meme guy?

2510
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:23,000
Speaker 6: This guy who's about to speak in two seconds?

2511
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:27,760
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, a jewers truly dollen calling. Obviously you've had

2512
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:29,920
Speaker 4: an incredible guts, some white whale guts.

2513
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:30,440
Speaker 2: But Uh.

2514
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:34,320
Speaker 4: The last episode with Macho Man Randy Savage speaking through

2515
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:37,880
Speaker 4: Jack got me thinking, you know who's your you know,

2516
02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:40,400
Speaker 4: Nuthouse in the Sky guests you wish you could get,

2517
02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:43,600
Speaker 4: you know, like Macho Man would have been incredible, Bill Wall,

2518
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:46,640
Speaker 4: like Leech, you know, those those guys that we we

2519
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:48,600
Speaker 4: may not hear from, that would make a perfect addition

2520
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:52,240
Speaker 4: to the Nuthouse interviews. So just wondering who might fit

2521
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 4: that list for you.

2522
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean, those three right there would be amazing.

2523
02:04:57,480 --> 02:04:59,840
Speaker 7: I agree, Dyllan, never never to correct you, I love

2524
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:02,840
Speaker 7: you O. But Macho Man took over all three of

2525
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:05,959
Speaker 7: us that day. He was he would we were embody,

2526
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:08,280
Speaker 7: Oh my god, I know him down here, and he

2527
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:09,360
Speaker 7: spoke to all of us.

2528
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:13,800
Speaker 1: That's my only correction. But yeah, Mike, Mike Leach legend bro.

2529
02:05:14,360 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 1: When I would go hang out Danny after like Super

2530
02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:19,160
Speaker 1: Bowls and stuff, we'd go get you know, I have

2531
02:05:19,200 --> 02:05:23,240
Speaker 1: a couple pops or something, and we would call Mike

2532
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:26,160
Speaker 1: Leach every time, and didn't matter what time of the

2533
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:29,200
Speaker 1: night it was, he would pick up and he would

2534
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:32,160
Speaker 1: talk to us for like forty five minutes, telling us

2535
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:35,280
Speaker 1: crazy stories. I don't really remember because of those adult

2536
02:05:35,320 --> 02:05:38,240
Speaker 1: beverages that we had. But I just remember we would

2537
02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:39,960
Speaker 1: call him all the time, or he would call us

2538
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,840
Speaker 1: randomly or Danny, and then I would be there. He

2539
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:45,480
Speaker 1: was a fun dude, Bill Walton. I mean that's half

2540
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:47,840
Speaker 1: the reason I watched college basketball. I didn't watch the games.

2541
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:51,040
Speaker 1: I just wanted to hear his stories. Legend o guy,

2542
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:53,600
Speaker 1: you guy love pac twelve Pack ten.

2543
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:58,040
Speaker 7: Mike Leach another great Pack twelve guy oh Man or

2544
02:05:58,080 --> 02:05:59,000
Speaker 7: Mike Leach and Hawaii.

2545
02:05:59,240 --> 02:06:00,840
Speaker 1: That's so beaty, dude.

2546
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:03,240
Speaker 7: If the guy that picks up the phone it is

2547
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 7: down to clown and talk for forty five minutes in

2548
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:06,680
Speaker 7: the morning.

2549
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:10,120
Speaker 1: Four game, eating like a Snickers or something.

2550
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:15,640
Speaker 7: I'm fully picturing the like the scene in Happy Gilmour

2551
02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:19,720
Speaker 7: when a blinken and the the alligator are waving down

2552
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:24,040
Speaker 7: and kind. All right, so those kind of guess Yeah,

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Speaker 7: Vince Lombardi is a great one.

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Speaker 1: Jim Thorpe, Walter Payton, great one. Feast. Walter Payton would

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Speaker 1: have been fun. I heard he was a cool dude too. Huh.

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Speaker 1: Madden would be John Madden would be the best podcast.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, he would be go to you I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking of too.

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Speaker 3: Wait.

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Speaker 1: Nick Cage is playing John Madden. Yeah, yeah, what do

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Speaker 1: we think about that? Nick? Nick Cage does.

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Speaker 8: So it's the director David or Russell. He did Civilizings,

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Speaker 8: Playbook and The Fighter.

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Speaker 1: He's a great he's a great director. I wonder where

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Speaker 1: Nick's audition was. The audition they didn't you don't think Nick, No,

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02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:07,680
Speaker 1: they just said, hey, we'll put Nick Cages John Madden. Nick.

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Speaker 1: What do you think John Mann would think about Nick?

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Speaker 1: I probably probably like the rock and stuff. Yeah, I

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02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:15,440
Speaker 1: don't know that. Yeah, I wonder but Nick Cage in

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Speaker 1: the last fifteen years it has been different. How many

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02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:22,120
Speaker 1: games of football do you think he's watched? Maybe he's

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02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:26,320
Speaker 1: a big football nut. Maybe we're grassholes. Maybe Nick Cage

2573
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:27,520
Speaker 1: is gonna knock this out the sky.

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Speaker 6: If anyone could do it, you better.

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Speaker 1: Be working on his Madden catchphrases.

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Speaker 7: His boom boom boom. Now here's the guy boom acting

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02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:40,400
Speaker 7: than acting. I mean, you gotta get in there, baby.

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02:07:40,600 --> 02:07:41,680
Speaker 7: I got faith in him.

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Speaker 1: But I do love the Rock. You like the Rock?

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Speaker 1: Is John Madden? No, the movie The Rock.

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Speaker 8: We gotta go Nick Nick Cage in the nuthouse and

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02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:55,280
Speaker 8: just see what is Yeah, maybe we gotta Maybe.

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02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:58,120
Speaker 6: We start the pr campaign. Now, so we get like

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Speaker 6: an old Raiders game.

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Speaker 1: See if what I'm sure he's done. He's a professional,

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02:08:03,160 --> 02:08:05,560
Speaker 1: so he's going to do his research. This guy will

2587
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:07,560
Speaker 1: probably researched the shop out of it. You better not

2588
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:11,520
Speaker 1: be going in bare knuckle berry on this thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let it wing it.

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Speaker 8: I got a couple because I think you could go

2591
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:16,720
Speaker 8: like moments like games and go backwards. So I was

2592
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:20,760
Speaker 8: thinking Olympics just wrapped up, Jesse Owens, the Olympics in

2593
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:23,879
Speaker 8: Germany win some old medals in front of fucking Nazis.

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Speaker 6: That's sick.

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02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:29,440
Speaker 1: That would have been. That would be all time bro man.

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02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe just because we're talking, we've been we've been

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02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:37,360
Speaker 7: talking ball, we've been watching Hard Knocks. A guy from

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Speaker 7: the first season of Hard Knocks, Goose Baby, Tony Sarah,

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02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:45,160
Speaker 7: he's been I think Goose would be great in the Nuthhouse.

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Speaker 1: Al Davis, Al Davis, just win Baby, that'd be awesome.

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Speaker 1: George Hallis, George Hallis, that's a great question.

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Speaker 6: That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Let's put that in a in the comments, see and

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Speaker 1: pull it and see what people clip out. Thank you

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02:09:00,520 --> 02:09:03,000
Speaker 1: to this guy. Thank you, great question, brother, great question.

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Speaker 1: Bill Russell Bill russell Man, the greatest winner of all time.

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Speaker 1: I did a signing with him, did you really? Thanks

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02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 1: again to Lared. That was a fun episode, very cool episode.

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