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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, and guys, we are
Speaker 1: eleven weeks now from the start of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: We're five weeks into the show. Are we even that
Speaker 1: much closer to finding out what the Dallas Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna do in this draft than we were when we
Speaker 1: started five weeks ago? You kind of freaked me out
Speaker 1: just there, Honestly, what we were over one hundred days
Speaker 1: when we started the show and it's already down near
Speaker 1: two months seventy seven. I'm taking some liberties, but still
Speaker 1: we're getting It's not a lot, it's creeping ever so slowly,
Speaker 1: but steadily. And I don't know did to that question,
Speaker 1: did you do you all feel like you have a
Speaker 1: good grasp on this thing yet? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got it nailed at the Cowboys, do I got it nailed?
Speaker 1: I saw a tweet from Dave the other day that
Speaker 1: I totally agreed with. We're gonna go forever leading up
Speaker 1: to the draft and everyone is gonna mock Grant Delpit
Speaker 1: or Xavier McKinney to the Cowboys. Yeah, when they actually
Speaker 1: we get to seventeen, the Cowboys and maybe us won't
Speaker 1: necessarily feel like either one is worth the seventeenth pick. Ye,
Speaker 1: they'll both be there. Either somebody will have slid to
Speaker 1: them that'll get picked please Javon Kinla, or they'll trade
Speaker 1: back and then pick one of these secondary guys, either
Speaker 1: a corner or safety. Yeah. I know what they're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to look at all these mocks that
Speaker 1: say they're gonna take a safety at seventeen, and then
Speaker 1: they'll move back to take That's that's where my head
Speaker 1: is at like every year, every year, there's always a
Speaker 1: team that is just linked to a guy or two
Speaker 1: or a handful of guys for months and it never
Speaker 1: comes to fruition that cleanly. And that's how I feel
Speaker 1: about Delpit and McKinney. We're gonna shock the world. Get
Speaker 1: ready Henry Ruggs or Jalen Rager at seventeen, Let's dance
Speaker 1: forty burgers baby score points a little more generally, though,
Speaker 1: I all, this is this is what I always wonder
Speaker 1: and I remember because it was around it was probably
Speaker 1: around this time. I think it was February when Layton
Speaker 1: vander esh kind of creeped into our cousness in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Have we hit on all of the names that will
Speaker 1: be in consideration when it's actually draft time or is
Speaker 1: there somebody who's still lurking out there that's not really
Speaker 1: on the radar? Hey, Japan Sa Turgrossmatos Julian o'quara there
Speaker 1: I thrown some wild cards for defensive end were covered. Okay,
Speaker 1: if we're doing a quara there, then where we don't
Speaker 1: need to draft at seventeen. Just wait for the combine.
Speaker 1: Wait for the combine coming. I think all the cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's Trevon Diggs, whether it's Christian Fulton,
Speaker 1: whether it's c. J. Henderson, whether it's Jeff Gladney, who
Speaker 1: I'm higher on than most of the world, but whether
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know whoever. Maybe there's the way you're saying, Gladney,
Speaker 1: it's seventeen if you want to, if you want to
Speaker 1: get wild with it, Yeah, I've seen it possible him
Speaker 1: at seventeen, mainly pegged as a second round pick, but
Speaker 1: I could see him at fifty one. Who the hell
Speaker 1: knows what they're really talking about in February, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And that's that's but I have less I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying about the safeties. I think I have less
Speaker 1: confidence in them drafting safety in the first round, so
Speaker 1: do I maybe any other position. The closer we get
Speaker 1: it kind of seems that way where it seems like, okay,
Speaker 1: safety might not be the number one priority in terms
Speaker 1: of that first round pick, because there are so many
Speaker 1: different things that could happen, whether it is a wide
Speaker 1: receiver to Jeff's Jeff's point, whether it's Rugs, or whether
Speaker 1: it's a Lamb or Judy or somebody whoever falls wide
Speaker 1: receiver wise, if you get one of those burners on
Speaker 1: the back half of that first round, it seems like
Speaker 1: maybe they could lean that way to add another weapon
Speaker 1: on the outside, or you could go with a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Kin Law is pretty much the the Boise State connection
Speaker 1: a lot. Even take Curtis Weaver two rounds too early
Speaker 1: out of Boise, that'd be a bad plan. More on
Speaker 1: Curtis Weaver in segment three. Though I have right around
Speaker 1: twenty first round grades kind of where I'm at right
Speaker 1: now looking at it um and but I started to
Speaker 1: think about because we've been talking about Javon kin Law
Speaker 1: from South Carolina a lot yep, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: to be found out about him and his knee and
Speaker 1: things like that. But I'm thinking about tears of the
Speaker 1: first round. When does that first tier cut off? Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're borrow Chase Young okuda, Uh, maybe you want
Speaker 1: to throw Derek Brown in there? May yeah, Okay, still
Speaker 1: have four or five guys right there. Simmons, Aah, Simmons,
Speaker 1: I'll still him in there. Five. I think Ken Law
Speaker 1: is going to sneak into that group. I think so
Speaker 1: very possible. I'm tempted to go bold today, But I'll
Speaker 1: wait another week and I'll let me let me double
Speaker 1: and triple check my work before I tell you that
Speaker 1: I'll take Javon Kinlaw over Derek Brown. Just let me
Speaker 1: double and triple check my work before I commit to them.
Speaker 1: Just want to pease it for right now. It's not insane.
Speaker 1: I honestly, it's not because he's a monster. I mean
Speaker 1: he is, He's legitimate, I mean, but so is Brown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Derek Brown? Both monsters upside though who gives you more upside?
Speaker 1: Who's the same? Which one? Which one might have a
Speaker 1: twelve sex season? I think, I mean maybe both. Really
Speaker 1: I would get on Brown right now. I think I
Speaker 1: would too, But regardless, I mean, we've talked a lot
Speaker 1: of wide receivers, and we've talked a lot about guys
Speaker 1: that could fall position wise and how deep that class
Speaker 1: is going to be for wide receivers. Are there any
Speaker 1: other positions though, that you're looking at in terms of
Speaker 1: the depth? The depth that could either mean, hey, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys at the very beginning that are
Speaker 1: going to be the very top of the draft that
Speaker 1: are going to be immediate starters, or is it guys
Speaker 1: that you can potentially wait on for round three and
Speaker 1: still going to be able to get a guy who
Speaker 1: could be a starter. Tight End is deeper than I
Speaker 1: initially thought it was. Really that's not exciting, and it's
Speaker 1: not top heavy at all, but tight ends a little
Speaker 1: better than I thought it was. Offensive tackle is a
Speaker 1: little bit better than I mean, you're gonna have your
Speaker 1: top heavy guys right there. We've talked about Jedrick Wills
Speaker 1: from Alabama. We've talked about becked In from Louisville. We've
Speaker 1: talked about Andrew Thomas from Georgia and Worf's from Iowa.
Speaker 1: You know, those are those guys are probably first round
Speaker 1: tap guys, but second third, fourth round offensive tackle. I
Speaker 1: don't think this team needs to go there because I
Speaker 1: think this team needs to go defense, defense, defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for depending on this and that's the right wide receivers there.
Speaker 1: In today's February six, we're a month away from you know,
Speaker 1: deciding who you're going to place your franchise tag on
Speaker 1: and things like that, and they're going to fill out
Speaker 1: the roster and free agency to try to free up
Speaker 1: their draft abilities. So we have no idea what the
Speaker 1: team is going to look like. Which is all the fun.
Speaker 1: That's why it's a lot of fun. That's why you
Speaker 1: do have to actually look at the kings of tackles
Speaker 1: and things like that. Even speaking in generalities, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think offensive tackle. I'm very high on a lot
Speaker 1: of these offensive tackles. Josh Jones is one that you
Speaker 1: didn't mention out of Houston. He was at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and he bullied some people on the line. I
Speaker 1: think he could be a first round talent. He's right
Speaker 1: on the edge of a first round grade. For me,
Speaker 1: I think he's right at the beginning of my second
Speaker 1: round grade. He's athletic enough. He's my top second round
Speaker 1: offensive linement. I thinks to tackle me as well. I
Speaker 1: don't have it pulled up just yet, but there's I
Speaker 1: think offensive tackle is just as deep in terms of
Speaker 1: guys that you can maybe go back and develop as
Speaker 1: a wide receiver class. Now, I'm not gonna say that
Speaker 1: that they're even. I think wide receiver is definitely the
Speaker 1: deepest position in this draft class. But I think offensive
Speaker 1: tackles right there. I think, at least in the conversation.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because, like we we've all said a
Speaker 1: million times already, like you can find like ready made
Speaker 1: receivers in the third and fourth round of this draft class. Probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. For offensive tackle, I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be super top heavy, and like we
Speaker 1: see every year, other than quarterback, that's one of the
Speaker 1: positions teams are most ready to reach on because it's
Speaker 1: it's so important and there just aren't that many good
Speaker 1: offensive tackles to go around. That's why I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here looking at probably as many as like five
Speaker 1: that would go in the first round. That's another thing
Speaker 1: I'm hoping for if I'm the Cowboys, is that those
Speaker 1: guys keep going off the board. You look at those
Speaker 1: teams in front of the Cowboys too. There's some teams
Speaker 1: that really need some offensive line help, and so I
Speaker 1: think the offensive tackles go off the board. Maybe bring
Speaker 1: us the law maybe, And Justin Herbert was off the
Speaker 1: board there that Jordan Love up in there. Get Jordan Yeah,
Speaker 1: heyts a team, he sta panic and get a quarterback
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift. Let's get a running back in a It's
Speaker 1: kind of the thing I think that's working negatively for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, as the fact that Philip Rivers is free
Speaker 1: now and that Cam Newton's likely going to I would
Speaker 1: assume he's going to get cut and go somewhere else. Um,
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston is free and a team may try to
Speaker 1: revitalize him. I think it's Teddy Bridgewater Taysom Hill. Like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who are kind of free
Speaker 1: with Playsom Hill into that category. We're having fun, aren't we.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't think anybody's gonna make Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: their starter. This find the LA Chargers and I have
Speaker 1: no fan base at all. Why not I'm signing Taysom Hill.
Speaker 1: Why because I'm the LA Chargers. Baby. Would Mike Williams
Speaker 1: quit the laharg Teenan Allen? Would he quit? They'd be like, listen,
Speaker 1: we know that Taysom's running twenty times a game. I'm
Speaker 1: not here for this. Large gives you need to put
Speaker 1: butts in the seats and sell jerseys. Some Hill's exciting,
Speaker 1: stop it. They're gonna draft Herbert or something they should like?
Speaker 1: Can I get Taysom Hill and draft Jordan Love? You
Speaker 1: probably could just okay, as long as Taysom Hill's not
Speaker 1: You're like like day one's future and you're like, this
Speaker 1: is our guy. He's only thirty, He's gonna get so
Speaker 1: much better. Stop it. I will to the original, to
Speaker 1: the original point. Like you know, it kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to what we said at the top is you know,
Speaker 1: everybody zeroed in on Grant delput and Xavier McKinney. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I think they're both good players. I'd be happy drafting
Speaker 1: either one of them in the first round, honestly, but
Speaker 1: I'd be happy with one of those. Yet people fixate
Speaker 1: on that, and I don't know. I don't know how
Speaker 1: deep this. I don't know how deep it goes. But
Speaker 1: I have now gotten eyes on safeties that I would
Speaker 1: be happy to draft. I mean Winfield. We've been talking
Speaker 1: about Antoine Winfield all week on Twitter. Let go. That
Speaker 1: guy's freaking impressive. Man. He hits, He hits like a missile,
Speaker 1: and he covers well. Utah, man's pretty good too, Burgess, Okay,
Speaker 1: you tak guys interesting. It's hard to find on tape
Speaker 1: because he lines up somewhere different every play. I have
Speaker 1: to find him at the end of the play, rewind
Speaker 1: and see where he started. He's very interesting. I I
Speaker 1: was concerned about his measurements at the Senior Bowl when
Speaker 1: he came in with thirty inch arms. Not that it
Speaker 1: totally matters at safety how long you are, but he's
Speaker 1: also on the short end of five to eleven. Happened
Speaker 1: to my guy and I the defensive end out of Utah,
Speaker 1: came in with the shorty arms after from a note
Speaker 1: said offensive tackles. Can you get their hands on him?
Speaker 1: Put your heart When you get a shorty arm, you
Speaker 1: get a short army. Just needs you to be a
Speaker 1: little bit better. There's a play stretch it though. Just
Speaker 1: get somebody every day to kind of pull on it
Speaker 1: a little bit. See if you can't get another half
Speaker 1: inch out of that. And I want to tease a
Speaker 1: head like stretched armstrong sty I want to tease a
Speaker 1: head to the third sement because we're gonna get two guys.
Speaker 1: We're gonna sit around here and we're gonna play GM.
Speaker 1: We're gonna say, pick the guy who's the better player.
Speaker 1: Who do you want the guy and the other guy
Speaker 1: you're probably talking about his Brandon Jones out of Texas.
Speaker 1: Briton Jones from Texas watched him yesterday. I don't want
Speaker 1: to ruin the third segment, but I'm interested to hear
Speaker 1: your takes on him, but awesome to that point, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, Delpitt and McKinney's probably your best bet to
Speaker 1: be a I'll throw a Winfield in there at those
Speaker 1: three could probably start day one. Ashton Davis. I'm higher
Speaker 1: on Davis. We're gonna play Winfield and Davison Segment three two. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll put those two together. But I think what I
Speaker 1: would say, there is there something about Winfield that makes
Speaker 1: you go because there's a lot of people were going up,
Speaker 1: well he's not tall enough, and I sit there and go, okay,
Speaker 1: well his dad played the NFL for fourteen years. Now,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he's going to be good. But everyone's
Speaker 1: saying all these sized questions about Antoine Winfield junior. Well,
Speaker 1: he's five eleven and he's kind of maybe he's five ten.
Speaker 1: Gil get what his dad was. His dad was five
Speaker 1: nine and one eighty. Now, I know evolution has changed. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's so much evolution, No, I know,
Speaker 1: I don't change that over humans have grown multiple inches
Speaker 1: on average. You don't fifteen years. You don't think we're
Speaker 1: not going about to get into this. I don't think
Speaker 1: we've gone up two inches on average over the last
Speaker 1: nine twenty years. Now, I don't think. Oh I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: pretty yeah, I haven't been phased out yet, thankfully. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you should see my ancestors from fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: Tiny man, tiny, okay and little know in fact, I
Speaker 1: have my family to be birds. Pull it back to
Speaker 1: the road, please. But look looking at Winfield and you
Speaker 1: mentioned his size, I mean on the board all the
Speaker 1: way through position wise, he's the second shortest safety that
Speaker 1: I've got on just in the draft class at the moment.
Speaker 1: You know who the name I put in my notes
Speaker 1: on in twin Winfield. They play different positions, but I said,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be Desmond King all over again for
Speaker 1: some teams. I love that the Iowa corner where it
Speaker 1: was like, up he's a little too short. Up, he's
Speaker 1: a little too slow. So like if Winfield runs in
Speaker 1: the mid to high four fives and he measures in
Speaker 1: at five nine and three quarters, teams will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a little too small and a little too slow,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go cool. I like that you have
Speaker 1: a physical profile to try to avoid missus. I'm willing
Speaker 1: to take a shot him this one because he's an outlier,
Speaker 1: because he's a bawler. He didn't look slow catching kJ Hammler,
Speaker 1: who was not his assignment on a crossing route and
Speaker 1: being there to make contact with him at the catch.
Speaker 1: Like he is very impressive on teams. He sees it
Speaker 1: fast too, he gets ahead of it. And I'm glad
Speaker 1: you mentioned that play because it stands out of him
Speaker 1: seeing something and then going And he also will tackle.
Speaker 1: I mean he will. He needs to wrap up better,
Speaker 1: but he's kind of got that safety vibe. I want
Speaker 1: to knock you out and say he hits like a
Speaker 1: sack of bricks. I'm not worried about his size at all.
Speaker 1: But we're talking about Winfield in that third segment too.
Speaker 1: But I want to kind of shift it back over
Speaker 1: to what you were saying. You were talking about late safeties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that you could potentially draft in showing the depth of
Speaker 1: that position. Is there anybody that you're looking at in
Speaker 1: terms of a guy maybe early Day three, even late
Speaker 1: day two that you could go for safety if you
Speaker 1: wanted to draft at Kin Law or a receiver in
Speaker 1: the first round. We've got a limited amount of film
Speaker 1: on this guy. But he was at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Chen's interesting. Now. I know it's a small school
Speaker 1: in southern Illinois, but if you're looking for a strong
Speaker 1: safety and that's what that's what he is, don't ask
Speaker 1: him to cover a lot. He did hold his own
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. That's probably fine because the Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods can play free. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't, especially
Speaker 1: you're not talking about drafting a strong safety in the
Speaker 1: first round. We're also to free. Chin is taking a
Speaker 1: swing on nothing but ability, where you're like, well, he's
Speaker 1: got talent, but I don't trust him in coverage. I
Speaker 1: don't trust that he sees things quickly. I don't like,
Speaker 1: I don't trust anything other than the fact that he's
Speaker 1: got good size. He's really good at I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: he's every bit of six three two fifteen. So it
Speaker 1: definitely stands out when you watch him play. What's he
Speaker 1: gonna run at the combine? And I think this is
Speaker 1: one that actually will matter. I know he sometimes he
Speaker 1: put a lot of stuck into forties on wide receivers
Speaker 1: and things like that. At safety, maybe you're not looking
Speaker 1: at it too much, but I do think it's important
Speaker 1: to see what he runs. My time that I have
Speaker 1: on him now it was a four to six seven. Well, silly,
Speaker 1: it's you can run. And he played free, you know
Speaker 1: on tape, so like he played free and he was
Speaker 1: a good open field tackler. You can see how big
Speaker 1: he is though, and that's where you just kind of go, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's my strong safety. Fifth round. Cowboys have two picks
Speaker 1: in the fifth round. If you know how Papa safety
Speaker 1: late and you think he can come in and play,
Speaker 1: you're probably bringing Jeff Heath back too. And I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people's eyes are gonna roll in the
Speaker 1: back of their head, but that's a chance that happens.
Speaker 1: I know I would straight up do it. It's it's
Speaker 1: interesting because we don't know what this coaching staff is
Speaker 1: gonna want. I mean, all the people that valued Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath have moved on for the most part, but I do.
Speaker 1: I mean, they will need to bring a capable safety
Speaker 1: and free agency just for numbers, Jeff Heath makes sense,
Speaker 1: but we'll see. Darian Thompson, what about corner? That's im
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring that up next because I mean,
Speaker 1: we're originally talking about deep positions. I'm thrilled by this
Speaker 1: because I mean much like, I don't know if they
Speaker 1: do it rounds two three like they did in twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen with Cheeto and Jordan Lewis, But you have to
Speaker 1: replace every corner over the next twelve months. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. This seems like a draft. This seems like
Speaker 1: a draft where you would want to double up on
Speaker 1: the position, and there's awesome opportunity to do that here. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're not going to touch Jeff Okuda, obviously, but every
Speaker 1: other cornerback, like at the top of the heap makes
Speaker 1: sense for their range, does he not? Christian Fulton, C. J. Henderson,
Speaker 1: Trevon Diggs. I think I would even throw Bryce Hall
Speaker 1: in there. Bryce Hall too, I want him in this week. Okay,
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, No, no, we're talking about early
Speaker 1: day three guys. No, no, no no, no, first round. I'm
Speaker 1: talking Okay, maybe not pick seventeen, but again, like you're
Speaker 1: talking about trading back and drafting a safety like and
Speaker 1: you know, I would imagine Bryce Hall could go in
Speaker 1: the twenties or as far back as forty. I think
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to think I have Bryce
Speaker 1: Hall of Virginia. By the way, I've got him in
Speaker 1: my fourth round stack. I love not nuts about him.
Speaker 1: But it's fine. If we all agreed on everything, we
Speaker 1: would be crazy people. That's fine. I found a sleeper
Speaker 1: last week. Jeff's sleeper that you kind of came up
Speaker 1: with was the Auburn guy. Noah his names, No, I
Speaker 1: used to have it. He got it, well, I got
Speaker 1: I got another sleeper, and I need I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: more tape on him because I just have a Memphis
Speaker 1: game and what's the other game. Found a guy in
Speaker 1: Division three No no, no, no no, no no, it's not
Speaker 1: Division three s the emissunt. They found a guy in
Speaker 1: the German League. No no no, no, oh, I still got him.
Speaker 1: Gets Oklahoma State where he's shut down Tayland Wallace, so
Speaker 1: get some of that, and also a Michigan State. You're
Speaker 1: Tulsa guy, but I need more. It's my Tulsa gut
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson. So earlier in the previous episodes of the
Speaker 1: Draft show, I told you my Manamy, I'm Pat Kat
Speaker 1: was a meek Robertson who had fourteen interceptions in three years,
Speaker 1: said Louisiana Tech, but his hip destroyed. I mean he's
Speaker 1: getting nursing home hip. That's not so. Reggie Robinson of
Speaker 1: Tulsa is my new guy six one two O two.
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining like next Senior Bowl guy too. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: next week you're gonna sit down and be like, I
Speaker 1: don't like Reggie Robinson. No, no, no no. If I
Speaker 1: find out he's got nursing home hip, then yes, but
Speaker 1: I mean I'll be out on him. Okay, forget forget
Speaker 1: the disagreement of opinion about Bryce Hall. But it's some
Speaker 1: Danceler in your life. He got Cameron Danceler, you got
Speaker 1: NOI an agony. Let's go. We were impressed by Darnay
Speaker 1: Holmes and Dane Jackson at the Senior Bowl. Those are
Speaker 1: more Day three type of guys, but a fifth round
Speaker 1: guy from me. But those guys, I like the odds
Speaker 1: that you can find it. I mean, if you wanted
Speaker 1: to drive after the top, you could, and then you
Speaker 1: could still come back on day three and find a
Speaker 1: pretty good corner. You move back, you take CJ. Henderson
Speaker 1: in the first round, you wait to fifty one, you
Speaker 1: take Cameron Danceler in the second round, and then you
Speaker 1: also have picked up another pick. We'll find our wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and we'll find our d tackle there somewhere in the third.
Speaker 1: It'll be great. They're gonna sign now, I just drafted Henderson.
Speaker 1: I'm worried abouts They're all just going to be there
Speaker 1: for you, justin Matta Bike. They're all just going to
Speaker 1: be fourth and two picks in the fifth where I
Speaker 1: think wide receivers that's I think that could be a
Speaker 1: good zone for that. I'm nervous. I'm so nervous about
Speaker 1: waiting to the third round to address the defensive line.
Speaker 1: That's a little risky. You just needed to stretch for us.
Speaker 1: I don't think is going to be there in the third.
Speaker 1: But well, we'll talk about that. I am a later point.
Speaker 1: I'm slowly developing the opinion that they are going to
Speaker 1: do work on the D line in free agency that
Speaker 1: will mitigate some of these concerns. Mike Daniels in here something, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, let's just sign him. Daniels will give you
Speaker 1: a good six games. Go go look at the available
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. Oh, there's twenty of them, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I think that I don't think they have a
Speaker 1: choice but to sign some because they've got nobody but
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford, who hasn't played the position in two years
Speaker 1: and has bad hips woods he's not on the exclusive rights.
Speaker 1: I think that doesn't I mean again, going back to
Speaker 1: that point, like does this coaching staff want him? Does
Speaker 1: he fit what they want to do? Hi? Bro oh
Speaker 1: cool Tristan Hill who couldn't get a jersey in two
Speaker 1: thirds of their games. The point being they need help
Speaker 1: in a way that they can't afford to wait to
Speaker 1: the draft. So I'm very I'm very curious to see
Speaker 1: what they do that well, we can't afford to wait
Speaker 1: any longer to take our first break. Now, last week, Dave,
Speaker 1: you talked about Jalen Hurts not having a long NFL career.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be our first twitter on the twenty question
Speaker 1: nice when we return. We're gonna address that when we
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Back here from the
Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star in Frisco, Episode five
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty season of the Draft Show. Just
Speaker 1: carrying on the legacy left behind by guys like Brian
Speaker 1: brought Us and Dame Brugler, investigating and educating. That's the
Speaker 1: first time I've said that you five weeks, so I
Speaker 1: feel like we should probably hit is it? Brian might
Speaker 1: have rights on that, you might have the building, could
Speaker 1: probably own it. So that's a good point. That is
Speaker 1: a good point. But we love those guys, and just
Speaker 1: trying to talk some draft here, of course, and man,
Speaker 1: we've got a great couple of questions to hit here
Speaker 1: in the coming moments. And this first one kind of
Speaker 1: caught me off guard because it's directly challenging a statement
Speaker 1: may by the great Dave Hellman oh Boy last week,
Speaker 1: oh go after oh Boy, no award on Twitter, our
Speaker 1: first Twitter on the twenty. He says, just listen to
Speaker 1: the latest Draft show, and you said you didn't see
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts having a long NFL career. Dave, can you
Speaker 1: expand on that? Actually, okay, let me rephrase. Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: could have a long NFL career because he's capable of
Speaker 1: being on an NFL roster and he definitely can contribute something.
Speaker 1: I don't see him being like a multi year starter
Speaker 1: at the NFL level, like being the face of a franchise.
Speaker 1: I don't like him, I alone in that. Do you
Speaker 1: all think I'm crazy? I don't think he's an NFL starter.
Speaker 1: That's that's my point. I mean, shoot, we spent five
Speaker 1: minutes talking about Taysom Hill in the first segment. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Taysom Hill can turn in, I mean, how long
Speaker 1: has he been in the league. Taysom Hill can start.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts might be able to start. Taysom Hill doesn't
Speaker 1: start that, okay. I was like in my trying to
Speaker 1: get him Twitter in a year, I'm trying to pump
Speaker 1: him excite. It's going to beg of the Los Angeles Charger.
Speaker 1: I think I think Jalen Hurtzel get drafted. I think
Speaker 1: he's he's more talented than people give him credit for.
Speaker 1: He's got a hell of an arm um and and
Speaker 1: he's his athleticism helps him make plays Like I have
Speaker 1: never been impressed by what he does. When a defense
Speaker 1: like completely hymns him in and doesn't let him use
Speaker 1: that athleticism to win. I mean, like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm biased, but LSU really hindered his ability when they
Speaker 1: got after him and forced him to play a little
Speaker 1: bit more traditionally. Um, that doesn't mean he can't be
Speaker 1: useful in the NFL. Shoot if he wound up with
Speaker 1: like a Sean Payton and they could use subpackages for
Speaker 1: him and let him use his athleticism and things like that.
Speaker 1: He could be very successful. I just don't see him
Speaker 1: starting for an NFL team for multiple years. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I was going to say. Is he
Speaker 1: more of a project? Is that probably the best way
Speaker 1: to put it in terms of a guy you can
Speaker 1: put behind a veteran and let him learn for multitude
Speaker 1: of years with a good coaching staff, and then maybe
Speaker 1: he turns into a successful quarterback. You can make him
Speaker 1: the backup in Baltimore. Yeah, I mean, because I don't
Speaker 1: think you would. He's already taken that right. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could do better than that, but I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think that you're going to just have Jalen Hurts be
Speaker 1: the backup to fill in the blank generic quarterback and
Speaker 1: run the same thing, because like they had to change Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: We've I think we pictured it as all being the
Speaker 1: same with Baker and Kyler and Jalen, but they were
Speaker 1: all three different offenses. Yeah. The Jalen Hurts offense offered
Speaker 1: a lot of It was a lot of quarterback power
Speaker 1: really yeah, where it's like, hey, our running back's gonna
Speaker 1: lead block for you. And that's because he's not the
Speaker 1: athlete that Lamar is, right, he's not. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a good enough thrower to win in the NFL
Speaker 1: that way. And I don't think he processes what's happening
Speaker 1: fast enough to win from the pocket. That's the issue.
Speaker 1: And how fast, how how much development does it take
Speaker 1: to get a guy to process things down the field,
Speaker 1: Like almost everyone's a project if you're a quarterback. But
Speaker 1: the fact that Cody Kessler's on an NFL roster tells
Speaker 1: you that Jalen Hurts could be on an NFL Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I just don't see him as a starter. I think
Speaker 1: he and like I hate people that just dismiss a
Speaker 1: guy off and like you can never measure like somebody's
Speaker 1: will and the way they develop or what system they
Speaker 1: wind up in. Would Taysom he'll ever have had the
Speaker 1: career he did if he didn't wind up with with
Speaker 1: such a good and creative coach. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to completely write him off. And if Tyrod Taylor can
Speaker 1: have the career he had, which included multiple quality years
Speaker 1: as a starter, starting caliber contracts at the time to
Speaker 1: go start for a team, Jay, we didn't think Dak
Speaker 1: would be a starter. Sure, j Jalen Hurts could do it.
Speaker 1: I just I do not envision him having like a
Speaker 1: multiple year career as a starter. I think he's a
Speaker 1: He's a backup slash gadget guy slash developmental dude. Processing
Speaker 1: down the field was a question for Dak coming out.
Speaker 1: I think that's the best. Yeah, Like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not a comparison or anything, but like maybe that's kind
Speaker 1: of the area in the draft I think Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: would go. I assume have either of you. I assume
Speaker 1: y'all haven't dive diven dive dove dove on quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: have not. I know the Cowboys are not going to
Speaker 1: need one in the top of the draft. Watched one yet.
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched a lot of them, and I've
Speaker 1: I've watched enough study I've between Bama and Oklahoma. I've
Speaker 1: watched enough of Jalen Hurts to have I think I
Speaker 1: have a feel for him and didn't grasp on it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would still guess he gets drafted in
Speaker 1: the by the fourth round. I will bet he gets
Speaker 1: picked in the third or fourth round. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: I bet he goes. Next question comes from Daniel Buchanan,
Speaker 1: and Buchanan asks he says who has a better chance
Speaker 1: to be there in the second round for Dallas? Is
Speaker 1: it Chason or Queen? Oh, pass rushers go quick. Chason
Speaker 1: is not a any means, but Caleb and Chason. I
Speaker 1: could totally see him going in the first round. I
Speaker 1: think I could see Queen going in the first round too.
Speaker 1: If you're betting which one might make it, there's a
Speaker 1: one percent chance Queen makes it and a less than
Speaker 1: that percent chance Chason makes. Queen is insane to me
Speaker 1: as an truck as as an LSU fan, like I
Speaker 1: didn't pick this question out, but he was awesome. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, He's very good. He covers incredibly well.
Speaker 1: Hell of a player. But I was thinking he was
Speaker 1: sort of like an under the radar pet cat, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think so people found well. When
Speaker 1: I say under the radar, I mean, you know, top
Speaker 1: sixty pick, top eighty pick. Until he declared I didn't
Speaker 1: know very much at all, and then I saw other
Speaker 1: guys watching him, like, oh my gosh, he's really good.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah didn't know two days after the National title game,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah is like, this guy's a top twenty pick,
Speaker 1: Like oh, I did not see that coming. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Chason's a bendy pass right, No, no, no no, let's go quick.
Speaker 1: Chason's a first round pick as far as I position
Speaker 1: value will matter there and that type of thing. But
Speaker 1: that is a fun type of you know, prop bet
Speaker 1: at some point if you want to get into it
Speaker 1: or I mean, I think Chason goes first. But man,
Speaker 1: if you're a team who needs an inside linebacker, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're going to play Patrick Queen versus Kenneth Murray,
Speaker 1: I think they'll take Queen over Murray. I think they're close.
Speaker 1: I think Queen a little bit more. He I like
Speaker 1: how he scrapes through and finds his way to the
Speaker 1: football am and he sees it pretty quickly too, I
Speaker 1: think for I, you know, who didn't have like four
Speaker 1: years of starting experience or anything. I think his instincts
Speaker 1: are pretty quick. I think there's I think there's a
Speaker 1: chance they both go in the first round. Um, Queen
Speaker 1: is the better bet to fall to the second. But
Speaker 1: even then, I don't think he'd be there at fifty one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be there fifty one either.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting for the sake of Chason where you're
Speaker 1: talking about him. If Chason went at fifteen or if
Speaker 1: Chason went at thirty five, I don't think I would
Speaker 1: be surprised. It's not it's way different. I'm not comparing
Speaker 1: the two players, but it kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: Harold Landry from a few years ago. Okay, when you're
Speaker 1: sitting there going, okay, could he go late teens and
Speaker 1: he ends up you know, thirty six or wherever he
Speaker 1: went to Tennessee in the second round. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think this is a good edge class. Chase Young is incredible,
Speaker 1: and after that, Chason could be the next one to go.
Speaker 1: Aj Epenesa I think has probably mocked the highest after that,
Speaker 1: but I think people are also going to see him
Speaker 1: and go, okay, the two hundred and eighty pounder run stopper.
Speaker 1: He had college production as a pass rusher, but what
Speaker 1: do I project that to the league? Whereas Chason's the
Speaker 1: exact opposite. The production's not there, but I think the
Speaker 1: twitched up athlete is there. I could see him being
Speaker 1: the second edge off the board. I think that's the
Speaker 1: classic case. If Dane Brugler was here, like high floor
Speaker 1: verse or high ceiling verse low floor or high you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? The high floor, Like, yeah, Epiness
Speaker 1: is a high floor. Yeah that's a good player. Chase
Speaker 1: ons a high ceiling where you might get fifteen sex
Speaker 1: in a year. Sure, and you look at you kind
Speaker 1: of mentioned the edge class in general. I mean, I
Speaker 1: have I have Chasing in front of Epinezza and Grosmatos
Speaker 1: out of Pinn State. I mean, Terrell Lewis is in
Speaker 1: there as well. I mean that's just I feel like
Speaker 1: they're just in a different class. Well, those three guys
Speaker 1: up at the top, Chasing or Chason, excuse me, Epinessa,
Speaker 1: and Young are just all by themselves. And I think
Speaker 1: Young's even elevated above those guys too. All the more
Speaker 1: reason why I think the Cowboys need to try really
Speaker 1: hard to bring Robert quinnback, because I don't love their
Speaker 1: odds of really addressing the edge in this draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: who Dallas you got? Unless kind of third were you getting?
Speaker 1: If you trade back, you're trading away from the good
Speaker 1: edge players. You're trading back and taking Grossmatos and hoping
Speaker 1: for the best. You said, Curtis Weaver or nothing third round? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that shares the hell out of me. But Jeff said,
Speaker 1: nothing feels like a sure thing, like like Chase Young.
Speaker 1: But there are some guys there who I'm kind of
Speaker 1: uncomfortable taking it there, and I'm more comfortable at a
Speaker 1: value in telling I'm getting extra picks for I think
Speaker 1: Terrell Lewis, of his medicals check out at the Combine,
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see him get up into
Speaker 1: the twenties. He had a nice week at the Senior
Speaker 1: He's awesome on tape. Yeah, everyone's just worried about his
Speaker 1: legs and they should be, Yeah, because he's he's got
Speaker 1: a bad D. But if his medicals check out at
Speaker 1: the combine, I think you're gonna go. Okay, there's a guy,
Speaker 1: and I think he'll be talked about more than Chason
Speaker 1: I do. All the Alabama players have all these medical
Speaker 1: red flags. Don't worry about that grind back and forth. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this one is Taylor made for Jeff cavan On,
Speaker 1: no about it. I like it all right. I hate it.
Speaker 1: Since it's nearly impossible to come out with four to
Speaker 1: five impact rookie stars in one draft, wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: better to draft a wide receiver high like Rugs or
Speaker 1: rigor try to put up forty burgers on everyone rather
Speaker 1: than focusing on defense and hoping that the rookies play
Speaker 1: big in year one. Yeah, he's just been watching my YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I feel like this is Is this a
Speaker 1: burner account? Yeah, that's my burner account. Ragor is the
Speaker 1: one guy that I don't think anybody's really talked about
Speaker 1: the idea of at seventeen? Could you do it now?
Speaker 1: In this case, we're assuming that free agency, you kind
Speaker 1: of fill holes, you find a defensive end, you find
Speaker 1: a d tackle. Yeah, you get to seventeen and Rugs
Speaker 1: Judy Lamber gone, and could you take Jalen Ragor at seventeen?
Speaker 1: I will say this, all right, I'll go, I'll go
Speaker 1: this route. Is everybody's so sold on Rugs and nobody's
Speaker 1: talking about Ragor on the same level. One of them
Speaker 1: has had elite production as a nineteen year old in
Speaker 1: college football, and one of them has never had great production. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rugs is faster. There's no doubt he can really make
Speaker 1: people do circles coming off on scrimmage. But Ragor's a
Speaker 1: monster too. I support the forty burger offense. I support it.
Speaker 1: Make your strength so strong that you can cover up
Speaker 1: your weakness. I haven't full disclosure. I haven't had a
Speaker 1: good look at Ragor yet. I know who he is.
Speaker 1: I know he's one of the fastest receivers in this class.
Speaker 1: Sell me on him. But I think when you look
Speaker 1: at him, he's not just fast, he's strong. They'll throw
Speaker 1: him goal line fades and he'll go get it. So
Speaker 1: he's not your typical under six foot guy where it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: his catch radius is tiny. He does have drops, but
Speaker 1: he also makes contested catches where he'll climb the letter
Speaker 1: and go get it after the Catchy's electric twenty one
Speaker 1: yards per punt return last year, including two touchdowns. I
Speaker 1: think Jalen Ragor immediately makes you a team that has
Speaker 1: a threat at punt returner, a deep threat, a guy
Speaker 1: who's held to deal with in the screen game and
Speaker 1: doesn't play small. I think Ragor's a really good prospect
Speaker 1: if you go he was nineteen years old and he
Speaker 1: dominated the Big twelve with bad quarterback well. He came
Speaker 1: out of Walks a Hatchie and he had a couple
Speaker 1: of receivers at Walks a Hatchie too when he was
Speaker 1: in high school and he was head and shoulders over
Speaker 1: everyone best high school receiver in the area by far.
Speaker 1: But you also look at if you do go and
Speaker 1: get a guy like Ragor, that means you're probably not
Speaker 1: going to bring back Randall Cobb. Right, yeah, I'm you're
Speaker 1: you're done with Cobb and so you'll have gallup. Ragor's
Speaker 1: probably Cooper. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of a hesitant thing
Speaker 1: at the moment. But I mean I'm not now, bring
Speaker 1: on the forty burger offense. Forty burgers, Blake Jarwin, Maybe
Speaker 1: get another tight end to work with him in Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: bring on a stud that's I mean mine, it's completely
Speaker 1: logical to think, with the way that this thing is
Speaker 1: stacked up, I think the value at seventeen might be
Speaker 1: best at like receiver and maybe cornerback. Almost Fuck, you're
Speaker 1: in a position there where you're not allowed to complain
Speaker 1: about the defense though, because you're not addressing it. Because
Speaker 1: you're not addressing of course, well, because when it was
Speaker 1: the constant problem all year long. What if I tell
Speaker 1: you you're right, the defense was way more in my
Speaker 1: opinion why the Cowboys were mediocre than the offense. But
Speaker 1: if I tell you that they bring back Robert Quinn. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're talking, and you know they're not if they
Speaker 1: bring back Robert Quinn. They're not going to sign anybody
Speaker 1: like Juicy at D tackle or corner, but they'll fill
Speaker 1: those voids if you can get me Robert Quinn and
Speaker 1: Anthony brown back. Okay, are we cooking with that? Now
Speaker 1: we're cooking. Okay, Now I'm more willing to do something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, which little crazy in the first round.
Speaker 1: It's hard to talk about until you see that. And
Speaker 1: I don't think they would. I don't really think they should,
Speaker 1: but man, it would be fun. Okay, Well, once again,
Speaker 1: and I hope a lot of teams are thinking this
Speaker 1: way because I think it's going to be insane. I
Speaker 1: do think, and I love Ragor, but I also love
Speaker 1: a ton of other guys. And that's where I kind
Speaker 1: of go. Why am I taking a right wide receiver
Speaker 1: at seventeen? I can get a good one at fifty one?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I can get a good one at
Speaker 1: eighty two. Oh my god. Can I get a decent
Speaker 1: one receiver in round four at twenty four? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think I can, but I would because there's twenty five
Speaker 1: of them that are going to go in the first
Speaker 1: three or four rounds. I want impact, like my right
Speaker 1: wide receivers goes Lamb and Judy Gap, Rugs and Ragor Gap.
Speaker 1: And then we start listing all these te Higgins and
Speaker 1: Laviscas Chanalt and then maybe there's another Gap and then
Speaker 1: my Pittman and au can say has a lot of
Speaker 1: really good players. There's a lot of NFL starters. You
Speaker 1: have Higgins and Chanlt below Rag. So yeah, and we
Speaker 1: aren't doing this as one of the hypotheticals in the
Speaker 1: third segment, but who would you pick? Would you pick
Speaker 1: Rugs or Ragor? He said, he already did. I did,
Speaker 1: I said right now, because we shouldn't be talking about
Speaker 1: one and not the other, is what I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: but at the moment, I have Rugs above, and that's
Speaker 1: fair because everyone's talking about Rugs and no one's really
Speaker 1: talking about everybody's pretending there's three names that if you
Speaker 1: got to seventeen, it's like, oh, maybe you can't pass
Speaker 1: them up. And I think that should be four. Both
Speaker 1: of them think you should at least be in the conversation.
Speaker 1: I do should be there to Yeah, other people are
Speaker 1: gonna think should be there too, or even Auk or
Speaker 1: t Higgins, but those are my four. I think I've
Speaker 1: kind of mentally written and it's not fair. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it is. I've kind of mentally written Levisca Chennault
Speaker 1: off because he doesn't really fit what the Cowboys needs.
Speaker 1: He's a bit player. He's not a bad no, not
Speaker 1: in a bad way, but like he is kind of
Speaker 1: a jet sweep and screen and after catch, and he's
Speaker 1: a different He's a big body, a bigger bodied guy
Speaker 1: like I'm he's not the typical slot burner. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: want the gu's gonna blow past everybody, right, And I
Speaker 1: don't know that that's him. I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: run a particularly impressive forty for a receiver. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: not saying he's not a good player, but in my mind,
Speaker 1: I just don't see him here. So I'm not even
Speaker 1: really thinking about him that much. But I do think
Speaker 1: he will be drafted fairly high. Okay, anyway, I see that.
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying there in terms of the
Speaker 1: bigger bodied receiver on the outside. So that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for Twitter on the twenty. We're gonna cut it
Speaker 1: short a little bit today, We'll get to some of
Speaker 1: your other tweets on Twitter at some point throughout the
Speaker 1: next week. However, when we come back, Kat has some hypothetics.
Speaker 1: We're gonna play a little bit of this or that
Speaker 1: before Jeff Cavanall trips out of his chair. We'll be
Speaker 1: back in them here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh, Kevin Turner, David Helman, I'm Kyle Yeoman's and
Speaker 1: Katie Mister Katie fund tweets over across the table from
Speaker 1: me has some juicy pairings that we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: decipher as a GM. Now, I want to clarify this.
Speaker 1: Are we the GM of the Cowboys? Are we just? Uh? Anyway?
Speaker 1: General GM? Who's the better put GM of your own
Speaker 1: your draft in your head? Yelman's team. Let's imagine that
Speaker 1: we're in our own war room here and we're just
Speaker 1: sitting around talking about players. We're trying to build a board.
Speaker 1: All right, who would you rather have? Let's take roster
Speaker 1: needs out of it. Okay, who would you rather have?
Speaker 1: Right here? So I'm two guys and we're gonna try
Speaker 1: to come to a consensus. We're gonna stack him on
Speaker 1: the board. Let's start hit wide receiver, SMU wide receiver
Speaker 1: James Proche versus Texas wide receiver Colin Johnson. I don't
Speaker 1: even think this is close. I think it's unfair. I
Speaker 1: would go Colin Johnson, but I think it's unfair because
Speaker 1: it's big versus little. Yeah, give me Proche all day. Wow,
Speaker 1: you don't think it's close. I would. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I maybe again like my own biases
Speaker 1: in my head, but I got him both in the
Speaker 1: fourth round. Okay, I mean no, I guess so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just Colin Johnson to me, he's just a big bodied,
Speaker 1: slow guy, And I like, what am I? I don't
Speaker 1: know what am I doing with him? And I guess
Speaker 1: I am thinking about Dak Prescott in this instance. But
Speaker 1: what's what's he helping Dak with? I don't know. And
Speaker 1: I remember you talking about him at the Senior Bowl. You.
Speaker 1: I remember you and I walked up to each other
Speaker 1: and you said, man, he is slow. He looks he
Speaker 1: got open because he's big bodied. I mean, he can
Speaker 1: use that in his favor, but like he just kind
Speaker 1: of plods down field. He's twenty pounds away from being
Speaker 1: a tight end. I mean twenty I mean he's huge.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's very well aware of
Speaker 1: what his deficiencies are, and I think he's going to
Speaker 1: do everything that he can to try to get better
Speaker 1: in that. I don't know how he can just get
Speaker 1: a little faster. I think his deficiencies can be changed.
Speaker 1: I don't think whatever. I don't think whatever cathlete he
Speaker 1: is is what he's going to be. I don't think
Speaker 1: that there's like that's one of those things where you
Speaker 1: just say, hey, he's not he's if he If he's
Speaker 1: a four six guy, he's just gonna be a four six.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's stiff though. I think you shou
Speaker 1: see him turn his hips not on not on route running,
Speaker 1: but like adjusting the back shoulder throws and you'll go
Speaker 1: go up and get the you know the big ten
Speaker 1: fifty fifty ball and all that stuff. You see him
Speaker 1: do that stuff. But I think he knows, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's just a pure straight line guy.
Speaker 1: I think he can do more than what we've seen.
Speaker 1: Uh proche catches everything and gets open and he's everything
Speaker 1: you probably want as a tiny guy. And that's why
Speaker 1: I put these guys together because there's a seven inch difference.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of times though, at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl that I thought James Prochet was moving in slow
Speaker 1: motion too. He's I mean, I don't he's not a
Speaker 1: burn I don't think he's twitchy. I don't think I
Speaker 1: think he's just a really solid player. I think he's
Speaker 1: got great hand, give me up, give me I think
Speaker 1: he high points the ball better than Colin Johnson does.
Speaker 1: What you're saying, something high, Yeah, one can't get there.
Speaker 1: You gotta put it on Proche too. There are a
Speaker 1: few players watching him on tape where the balls a
Speaker 1: little bit behind him and you see, okay, well it's
Speaker 1: got to be on his chest or otherwise he's not
Speaker 1: gonna get it. And that's it's like that for a
Speaker 1: lot of those smaller guys, you know, with Colin Johnson,
Speaker 1: he built Ellinger out a lot. Yeah, and that's something
Speaker 1: I think when you're talking about a fourth, fifth round area,
Speaker 1: which is where I kind of have these guys, I
Speaker 1: just think it's a little interesting. It does depend on
Speaker 1: what you need. I've got Johnson one peg higher than
Speaker 1: Proche on my board. Y'all are gonna hate what I'm
Speaker 1: about to say, because one guy went in the first
Speaker 1: round and one guy we're talking about on day three.
Speaker 1: But Proche just reminded me of like a poor man's
Speaker 1: Dj Moore, who was my pet cat a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. Like they're similarly built, and no, I know,
Speaker 1: like More is the better athlete, but just watching him
Speaker 1: move like Proche when he gets the ball to meet,
Speaker 1: like he almost looks like a running back. Like I
Speaker 1: love his contact balance, I love his movement ability, low
Speaker 1: center of gravity, very low center of gravity. He catches everything.
Speaker 1: He catches balls like a bigger receiver at times. I
Speaker 1: just I was very impressed watching him a couple times
Speaker 1: because I didn't see a great after the catch guy.
Speaker 1: And to me, that's what made Dj Moore was once
Speaker 1: the balls in his hands, you are in troube which
Speaker 1: to beef. I'm I'm basing this more on practices than
Speaker 1: tape study, Okay, but he stood out to me in
Speaker 1: mobile for sure. Yeah, And I thought he looked great
Speaker 1: mobile too. And I've seen some of the insane catches
Speaker 1: he makes in his workouts, and like, I've seen the
Speaker 1: good things, but I thought that on tape and he's
Speaker 1: great production. You're big junior year, big senior year. But
Speaker 1: to me, I just guy that. I was like, he
Speaker 1: does everything right, Like he's a solid route runner, he
Speaker 1: comes back to the ball, he's gonna catch it. He
Speaker 1: does everything right. But I didn't see anything that jumped
Speaker 1: out at me as like ooh, that's special set Bitylan
Speaker 1: Suton's kind of my reckless comp for Colin Johnson too.
Speaker 1: Yeah for me, you said, and and I mean, look
Speaker 1: it will for teams. That comes down to what you
Speaker 1: need or whatever. But for the record, like Jeff, the
Speaker 1: way Jeff just described him, isn't that what you're looking
Speaker 1: for in a Day three receiver anyway? Like the special guys.
Speaker 1: The special guys are off the board by pick one
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, yeah, day three, I would be I would
Speaker 1: be happy with that pick. Yeah. Like there's there's slot
Speaker 1: guys that I like a little bit better, like kJ
Speaker 1: Hill at Ohio State. Yeah, him better because I just
Speaker 1: think that there's more explosive route running there. There's a
Speaker 1: better ability to say, is he one of your guys?
Speaker 1: He's Round three guy for me, guy like j Hills
Speaker 1: not in He's not on this segment. Now, kJ Hill,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised that his stock seems so low. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like your senior stats were never big, So I just
Speaker 1: think people haven't done the work yet. Would be my
Speaker 1: game because it's really good. He made people look silly
Speaker 1: all year. I like him a lot for sure. The
Speaker 1: next one is kind of fun here. Let's go to
Speaker 1: safety's Minnesota's safety Antoine Winfield junior y versus California's safety
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis. Before I watched Winfield, I hadn't actually heard
Speaker 1: a lot about him, and i'd seen Ashton Davis is
Speaker 1: pretty much the whole world's third safety behind Delpit and McKinney.
Speaker 1: Winfield's my third safety. Davis is my fifth safety. Can
Speaker 1: I throw in a third in Kyle Dugger because that's
Speaker 1: who I have on the graphic. I might have changed
Speaker 1: the last yeah, I think he changed the last minute.
Speaker 1: It's okay. I've studied talking about all three. I haven't
Speaker 1: studied Duggers, so somebody's gonna have to help me with
Speaker 1: that one. But I think Winfield play free strong. I
Speaker 1: think Winfield can do a little bit of everything. He's
Speaker 1: got the ball production you dream of with the interceptions.
Speaker 1: I think Antoine Winfield's only limitation is his size. And
Speaker 1: his size honestly doesn't bother me too much. I think
Speaker 1: there's another thing. He missed a little bit of twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen with a hammy. Twenty eighteen he tore a ligament
Speaker 1: in his foot. That type of stuff tends to bother me.
Speaker 1: Foot injuries, Yeah, things like that. But man, I think
Speaker 1: also there's so much there, and he plays big too.
Speaker 1: I think he's able to kind of use his body
Speaker 1: and want to hit and things like that. And then
Speaker 1: it does just kind of icing on the cake. You
Speaker 1: see how fast he plays from just to seeing it
Speaker 1: on the field and he go, yeah, he looks like
Speaker 1: a guy who just watched his dad play football for
Speaker 1: fourteen years at one. Windfield was a great player. His
Speaker 1: instincts are really impressive, the way I mean it seems
Speaker 1: like he always has a read on where the ball
Speaker 1: is going or where it is. H Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: I watched him Tuesday afternoon for an hour or so
Speaker 1: and was really impressed. And you like, why are people
Speaker 1: so hung up on his size? I don't really It's
Speaker 1: just an inch, right's six foot instead of five eleven.
Speaker 1: Do you change your mind on a guy five? Did
Speaker 1: he maybe five? I think? Yeah, he's a Minnesota five eleven,
Speaker 1: get this, getting that, getting that idea bump, It's gonna
Speaker 1: be okay. He's gonna be five o nine six, And
Speaker 1: I don't care if that helps him fall to fifty one.
Speaker 1: Let's go. That's okay with me. I agree two things
Speaker 1: about Winfield. First off, I wasn't impressed immediately when I
Speaker 1: started watching him, and I got on a Twitter conversation yesterday,
Speaker 1: you must not have started with the Penn State game.
Speaker 1: I did not start with the Penn State game, the
Speaker 1: real state game. That and Zach Wolchuck from the Fan
Speaker 1: said it, and he was said, look at the Penn
Speaker 1: State game. This is where you'll you'll change your mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it changed my mind because he took baby Gronk and
Speaker 1: he made him look silly basically over the course of
Speaker 1: the game. The thing about Winfield it he had seven
Speaker 1: interceptions his final year at Minnesota nine career. That's kind
Speaker 1: of impressive to me. The show that he only had
Speaker 1: a couple in his first few years, and he didn't
Speaker 1: start a whole lot at the beginning of his career
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. It was kind of always hurt too, kind
Speaker 1: of back and forth. He had those injuries in it
Speaker 1: was it twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, he had he only
Speaker 1: played four games in each of those years. When he
Speaker 1: finally had an opportunity to piece together a year, comes
Speaker 1: up with seven picks. That's the kind of guy that
Speaker 1: you want. I mean, that's what Mike Nolan's been talking
Speaker 1: about over the last couple of weeks. Is a guy
Speaker 1: that you want to be afraid to throw the ball
Speaker 1: to his side because you could take it the other way. Okay,
Speaker 1: we all just agreed. We absolutely love Antoine Winfield. Give
Speaker 1: me a thumbnail on Davis because I think Delpitt, McKinney, Davis,
Speaker 1: and Winfield are pretty clear cut as like the four
Speaker 1: options for the Cowboys at the top of the drive.
Speaker 1: I trust Davis more as a free safety than a
Speaker 1: strong safety. I think Winfield could be a little more complimentary.
Speaker 1: I mean, Davis is gonna come up and he's about
Speaker 1: ten pounds less than Antoine Winfield, and you see it.
Speaker 1: You see how kind of skinny he looks, and that
Speaker 1: kind of bothers me. And there's a couple of miss
Speaker 1: tackles and kind of gotta go low and kind of
Speaker 1: play that way down the box. But he can cover.
Speaker 1: His instincts are good. I like Ashton Davis. I have
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis right behind Winfield in the second round. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's my safety group, Delpitt, McKinney, second round grad Antoine, Winfield,
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis, like it's in the Kyle Dugger's next. So
Speaker 1: it's all in that order. And those guys as helping
Speaker 1: opponent up. I see a lot of tapping guys on
Speaker 1: the helmet after they block him, and I don't like
Speaker 1: a friendly play my favorite. I don't like he's gonna
Speaker 1: go head hunt. I don't like the friendly play. My
Speaker 1: favorite play from him if you go watch the Organ
Speaker 1: game that he helped an opponent up and it happens, man,
Speaker 1: I guys trying to diplomacy many But there's a play
Speaker 1: in the Organ game where he picks off perennial first
Speaker 1: round pick Justin Herbert and everybody picked off. Such a
Speaker 1: good play. It is such a good play. I thought
Speaker 1: sees it. He turns it and he covers the ground
Speaker 1: and makes the pick. He does look like he's beat
Speaker 1: I think when the freaking might have been. But give
Speaker 1: the guy a little bit of credit. He's a good player.
Speaker 1: Winfield's catchup speed really showed in that Penn State game too,
Speaker 1: because I thought he was beating on his first interception.
Speaker 1: Yeah he I mean the guy had steps on him
Speaker 1: and he was like, no, he turned the wrong way,
Speaker 1: he opened the wrong way. Never mind, all right, what
Speaker 1: else you get? The next one? Tight ends Dayton tight
Speaker 1: end Adam Troutman versus Washington tight end Hunter Bryant. I
Speaker 1: feel like this is this depends on what kind of
Speaker 1: player you're looking for. Are you looking for the big No,
Speaker 1: don't cop out Kyle, because we set it's up to you.
Speaker 1: It's not We're not worried about talking. I'm one percent
Speaker 1: gonna take Hunter Bryant. I'm about to tell you why.
Speaker 1: But I'm splitting this up because Adam Troutman is a
Speaker 1: much bigger tight end six five two fifty one. He's
Speaker 1: gonna block for you, even though blocking is not his
Speaker 1: strong point. And then you've got Washington Hunter Bryant, who's
Speaker 1: six two, looks like a slot receiver more than a
Speaker 1: tight end. He's a big and he runs around a
Speaker 1: lot pre snap, and he does a lot of different
Speaker 1: things for you. I'm taking Hunter. They are different players, Hunt,
Speaker 1: but Hunter Bryant was really impressive to me. I put
Speaker 1: on I put on his game against USC. First snap
Speaker 1: of the game, I'm like, all right, is this guy
Speaker 1: on the line? Is he in the slot? Where's he at?
Speaker 1: Couldn't find him? Then I realize he's playing fullback. It's
Speaker 1: sort of an h back type of deal. Taught sweep
Speaker 1: and he takes out a linebacker on the first play
Speaker 1: of the game. Not saying he's like an elite blocker,
Speaker 1: but over the course of the game like he's very
Speaker 1: willing to do it. He blocks downfield for receivers. They
Speaker 1: don't put him on the line a lot, but they
Speaker 1: on occasion, and he gets in there like he's not
Speaker 1: afraid to put his nose in it. Is it getting
Speaker 1: the way guy? That's all in twenty twenty, That's all
Speaker 1: I want. And he's six two two thirty nine runs, well,
Speaker 1: can go downfield. He had an amazing I think it
Speaker 1: was what it was Oregon State where he had like
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards. He had a good game
Speaker 1: against Utah too. I believe I haven't I haven't had
Speaker 1: a chance to watch that game, but I do not
Speaker 1: have the Organ State game. I didn't see that one
Speaker 1: Oregon Hawaii byu USC. In the two games, I watched
Speaker 1: like he was a willing blocker and he's got good
Speaker 1: hands and his dangerous downfield again, you know the old
Speaker 1: Cowboys regime. I'm like, this is exactly the tight end
Speaker 1: that they would never draft. Jeff is a guy who's
Speaker 1: don't know that now many knee surgeries. Does a meniscus
Speaker 1: and an ACL slow you down a little bit because
Speaker 1: you're okay, No, just too fine. Troutman's got three inches
Speaker 1: on him. Obviously he's gonna be a bigger thread over
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. I initially had Hunter Bryant
Speaker 1: graded higher, and then I got a load of Dayton
Speaker 1: film into my drop box and it was go time.
Speaker 1: And you'll see how smooth of a catcher he is
Speaker 1: of the football. Hunter Bryan had drops he did and
Speaker 1: no one's talking about his drops. I was, I like
Speaker 1: you to bring it up. He's a second round graded
Speaker 1: tight end for me. I'm just but I'm taking Troutman
Speaker 1: over Hunter Bryan. I'm scared people are scared of Dayton.
Speaker 1: I'm scared of FCS. No, I'm scared of getting a
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl bump. That's all it is. He's getting eye
Speaker 1: dominated MP is what he's getting. He's a dominant football player.
Speaker 1: Four games at Dayton compared to Bryant, who played in
Speaker 1: Like I believe it was on the graphic a minute ago,
Speaker 1: but it was like twenty something. Maybe I'm just maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just intrigued by the thought that the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: be willing to draft a tweener tight end and Nevin
Speaker 1: Ingram type. Yeah, that's I mean, it's it's twenty twenty. Baby,
Speaker 1: Let's get those red zone mismatches on the T team.
Speaker 1: Let's go. If I'm gonna do that, I'll just draft
Speaker 1: a fast guy though, But I mean, you still just
Speaker 1: draft a fast guy. You still need it? Well, like,
Speaker 1: who who is that? That that's not going to happen?
Speaker 1: Who else got the worst? Is? I? Keep it moving? Here?
Speaker 1: Here we go. Linebackers this time, haven't done a lot
Speaker 1: of this, guys. Nope. And I'm gonna put this as
Speaker 1: edge slash linebacker Wisconsin's Zach Bond up against Oklahoma linebacker
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray. Better player, stack him on your board. Those
Speaker 1: are different skillets exactly. I'm gonna doing this. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take don't cop out Dave, don't cop out better player.
Speaker 1: I hate you guys. I'm gonna take Kenneth Murray and
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it hoping Zach Bond doesn't make
Speaker 1: me look stupid, because maybe a team takes Zach Bond
Speaker 1: and they play him in the t J. Watt role
Speaker 1: and he's able to do it despite his size. He
Speaker 1: just kind of did it Wisconsin. But I think what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen is Zach Bond is gonna get moved to
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker like we did with um who was
Speaker 1: the pass rusher Son Reddicks, where it's like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's an incredible athlete and he was a pass rusher
Speaker 1: and now he's a linebacker. It's like, well that didn't
Speaker 1: work so well because he was a pass rusher. You
Speaker 1: made him a linebacker. I know what Kenneth Murray is,
Speaker 1: art don't know what Zach Bond is. Our NFL front
Speaker 1: office is as a vanilla or simple, I guess is
Speaker 1: what I would say to get well, t J, why
Speaker 1: I just got defensive MVP. Maybe this guy's Wisconsin guy.
Speaker 1: You are offices think that way, because yeah, I would
Speaker 1: use him as in everything, But I think his strongest
Speaker 1: thing is when he rushes the passer. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: like Zach bon I've gotten great and higher than Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 1: I have questions about how fast Kenneth Murray sees sees
Speaker 1: the ball. I have plushed like he's motors and he's
Speaker 1: all over the place and all that stuff. But there
Speaker 1: are times when you're like, okay, like are you moving
Speaker 1: towards the ball yet, Like he's says a lot of control. Times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like he looks like he's he's overly aggressive, which is good.
Speaker 1: And I think when you look at Bond, he's a
Speaker 1: little bit more calculated in the way that he is
Speaker 1: aggressive compared to Murray, where Murray's just kind of flyball,
Speaker 1: sea ball, go ball, like kind of just go at it.
Speaker 1: And I'm just worry that Bond's gonna go like eighteenth
Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna take this two hundred forty pound pass
Speaker 1: rusher and be like, all right, now, he's a will
Speaker 1: linebacker because he's six three, two forty. If he just
Speaker 1: ruins him, it's a totally new job. If you're drafting
Speaker 1: him that high, I hope you have a better clear
Speaker 1: cut idea of what you want to do. The top ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because someone's like, oh, went to the senior role
Speaker 1: and he looked like he could cover. I'm gonna cheat
Speaker 1: because I can't completely just forget about the Cowboys when
Speaker 1: I do this, and Bond offers more of what I
Speaker 1: don't have. Like I'm okay with off ball linebackers. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Laton vander Esh is gonna be healthy. He
Speaker 1: might be a right defensive end for me. Give me,
Speaker 1: give me, yeah, give me that guy. H Utah safety
Speaker 1: Turell Burgess versus Texas safety Brandon Jones. This is a
Speaker 1: good one. I really Burgess over Jones. I do too,
Speaker 1: because I believe Burgess offers more as a cover guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: but do not play him in the box. I would
Speaker 1: love to, like, tell me what you think about Jones,
Speaker 1: because I didn't really know what to think first. That's
Speaker 1: another guy like it took me five minutes to even
Speaker 1: find him. Brandon Jones six foot two h five. I
Speaker 1: wrote here, let's see so many wide receivers. He ends
Speaker 1: up playing a lot of slot corner carries. Jefferson down
Speaker 1: this against LSU down the field, perfect, Yeah, sideline to
Speaker 1: sideline speed in the run game against TCU, they're playing
Speaker 1: at three, three, five, and he's the fifth dB who's
Speaker 1: more of a third level linebacker. So that's where you're
Speaker 1: struggling to find him. Yeah, shows some versatility to play
Speaker 1: man in his own could probably trust him with backs
Speaker 1: and tight ends. Willing in the run game. Not the
Speaker 1: quickest diagnoser. He will hit, can cover ground, aggressive and
Speaker 1: reliable open tackler. Sounds like I'm talking to Brian Broad
Speaker 1: Totally unrefineding coverage. Let's say you want to know about
Speaker 1: a player, I'll read you my notes. Tries to just
Speaker 1: catch guys when they get to him when he's asked
Speaker 1: to play man, collides and chases. He's a box guy
Speaker 1: with some athletic ability. I don't think. I think it's
Speaker 1: back to the football's a problem. If he's got to
Speaker 1: turn and run with a wide receiver, I think it's
Speaker 1: a problem. And if you stood these guys next to
Speaker 1: each other, and I know if you're watching online you
Speaker 1: can see the grass, you're gonna see Brandon Jones look
Speaker 1: a lot bigger than Trell bur Trell Burgess got to
Speaker 1: be a cover guy on the back end. Brandon Jones,
Speaker 1: to me, has to be a strong and I think
Speaker 1: that's pretty definitive of what these guys can do. There's
Speaker 1: a play against I believe it's against Oregon where Tarrell
Speaker 1: Burgess is running charging towards the line. He blitzed a
Speaker 1: lot and he was a very effective blitzer. But there's
Speaker 1: a player where he's charging to the line, he can
Speaker 1: blow up the running back and he just goes at
Speaker 1: the ankles last minute and doesn't lack wrap up or anything.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, you're not gonna lay the lumber
Speaker 1: on anyone. Dude like is able cover guy, but I
Speaker 1: put that he's a dependable low tackler. He is going
Speaker 1: for your ankles and he will get it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: when I look at Tarrell Burgess, I look at a
Speaker 1: guy who's looking to kind of head hunt for Like
Speaker 1: you said, don't put him in the box, but he's
Speaker 1: gonna still step up and make a consistent tackle there.
Speaker 1: Whereas Brandon Jones, I just don't trust him and cover
Speaker 1: just much. I don't at all trust him and cover.
Speaker 1: I would be nervous. The justin the Justin Jefferson play
Speaker 1: against LSU was very impressive. My eyes kind of bulged
Speaker 1: when I saw that. But I watched two other No,
Speaker 1: I watched two other games and didn't see it. I
Speaker 1: didn't see like an instinct to find the ball. I
Speaker 1: think I think he'll be a he'll be end of
Speaker 1: Day two, early day three, and he'll be a starting
Speaker 1: strong safety in the league. That's fine. I think that's
Speaker 1: what it'll be. I think he's better zone coverage inside
Speaker 1: ten yards up there. Yeah, I think that's probably where
Speaker 1: he mean. He spent his senior season basically playing linebacker.
Speaker 1: That's fair. So yeah. But yeah, okay, so we get
Speaker 1: like five more of these, so put them in goodness?
Speaker 1: One more? Why not? Oh? Sorry? Yeah? Running backs haven't
Speaker 1: done running A lot of running back here, I haven't
Speaker 1: left a lot of running back. Swift is one of them.
Speaker 1: Take Swift. Do you guys want to not do running back? Do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Next you do? Save that. I haven't watched a lot
Speaker 1: of defense Swift and Dobbins. I know they're both really good.
Speaker 1: How do you want to do defense? Yeah, I'll take
Speaker 1: one of those. Tackle one. Okay, I've watched those guys.
Speaker 1: That's good. TCU defensive tackle Ross black clock. Oh, here
Speaker 1: he goes. We had a we had a thing here,
Speaker 1: little Kyle. Yesterday I watched him. I didn't see anything
Speaker 1: impressive versus Mike Crazy. Yes, yes, you're insane. All right,
Speaker 1: I need to watch more games. I guess Oklahoma defensive
Speaker 1: tackle in the Ville Gallimore. I got him both in
Speaker 1: the second round. I have Blacklock right ahead of Galimore
Speaker 1: to meet. Galimore is a really high upside guy, but
Speaker 1: he's a redshirt senior who never had college production. Direct drafting.
Speaker 1: The glimpses that you see off the ball, tell him.
Speaker 1: Tell me about Blacklock. I watched him play Baylo Blacklock
Speaker 1: co defensive player that year in twenty seventeen. He was
Speaker 1: a monster for TCU. Got hurt with an achilles injury
Speaker 1: in the preseason of twenty eighteen, missed the entire season.
Speaker 1: So he comes back this year and he puts up
Speaker 1: three and a half sacks, active hands inside, he's a whenever.
Speaker 1: He's kind of like what kin Law was at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl when we were talking with Nate Newton. He said,
Speaker 1: as if you can get the hands inside of an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, he's gonna be tough to block. Three that
Speaker 1: was stuck playing the one at TCU. See that's yeah,
Speaker 1: every other and that's fine. This team needs all kinds
Speaker 1: of defensive tackles, but he was playing nose tackle and
Speaker 1: one technique the whole game and did not have a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities, and it seemed like they would try
Speaker 1: to create free runs for him. He's going to be
Speaker 1: better than a three. I thought he held his own
Speaker 1: against the run way better than Gallimore could ever dream of.
Speaker 1: I think he anchors down a little bit better, and
Speaker 1: I think he gives you a little bit of quickness.
Speaker 1: Gallimore's a better pass rusher, that is what I would say,
Speaker 1: But intently, I think black Luck is a far better
Speaker 1: run player than Gallimore is, and that's where I kind
Speaker 1: of have them black Luck just above Gallimore. Well, the
Speaker 1: thing about Gallimore that I really liked initially, and I
Speaker 1: think it was our first show, Jeff and I kind
Speaker 1: of talked about it. In the lateral movement of Gallimore
Speaker 1: I liked. I think he can go side to side
Speaker 1: a little bit better than most defensive tackles. I think
Speaker 1: Blacklock can do it better than Gallimar. I really can do.
Speaker 1: I think he's more lateral than Gallimore and puts a
Speaker 1: little bit on the table there. Plus he's bigger six
Speaker 1: four compared to six two, and I mean they're about
Speaker 1: the same size weight wise, ye had an achilles last
Speaker 1: year's we talked about twenty eighteen. He towards achilles. So
Speaker 1: if that bothers you, you know, the achilles is an injury?
Speaker 1: Does scare me? How much does that scare you? Though?
Speaker 1: In terms of a defensive tackle though? Is that a
Speaker 1: big enough red flag too? That stuff doesn't bother me
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, like two years removed from it, I
Speaker 1: think you're fine. Terrier People come back from torn ligaments
Speaker 1: all the time. But yeah, it's a bigger deal. It's weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird to say. But you talked about though, concur
Speaker 1: like recurring tendonitis like ken Law is scarier than like,
Speaker 1: oh I tore a ligament two years ago. Yeah, hopefully
Speaker 1: it gets into seventeen. Yeah, we'll see. Absolutely. I'll watch
Speaker 1: more Blacklock. I just didn't. I didn't see anything, and
Speaker 1: get watching on tape like I'm looking for past rush ability,
Speaker 1: which I know that's not the full that's obviously not
Speaker 1: the full picture. Yeah, but I've seen more of it
Speaker 1: from Gallimore. I need to take a deeper, better, fast
Speaker 1: rusher than Blacklock. In my opinion, watch an Oklahoma State game.
Speaker 1: I will do that. Watch that. That's I watched immediately,
Speaker 1: and then I watched the Baylor game afterwards, and I
Speaker 1: saw kind of what you were talking about. I think
Speaker 1: Baylor kind of ate their lunch in that regard. But
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it here for episode five of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Thanks so much, Katie
Speaker 1: for putting that together. That was fun. Good job. We'll
Speaker 1: address some of that here in a little bit. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but for David Hellman, for
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner, for Jeff Cavanaugh on Kyle Yeoman's We'll see
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