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Speaker 1: Draft Show. Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, David Hellman, I'm Kyle Yoman's.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, and guys, we are

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Speaker 1: eleven weeks now from the start of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: We're five weeks into the show. Are we even that

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Speaker 1: much closer to finding out what the Dallas Cowboys are

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Speaker 1: gonna do in this draft than we were when we

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Speaker 1: started five weeks ago? You kind of freaked me out

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Speaker 1: just there, Honestly, what we were over one hundred days

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Speaker 1: two months seventy seven. I'm taking some liberties, but still

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Speaker 1: we're getting It's not a lot, it's creeping ever so slowly,

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Speaker 1: but steadily. And I don't know did to that question,

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Speaker 1: good grasp on this thing yet? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got it nailed at the Cowboys, do I got it nailed?

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Speaker 1: I saw a tweet from Dave the other day that

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Speaker 1: to the draft and everyone is gonna mock Grant Delpit

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Speaker 1: or Xavier McKinney to the Cowboys. Yeah, when they actually

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Speaker 1: we get to seventeen, the Cowboys and maybe us won't

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Speaker 1: necessarily feel like either one is worth the seventeenth pick. Ye,

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Speaker 1: they'll both be there. Either somebody will have slid to

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Speaker 1: them that'll get picked please Javon Kinla, or they'll trade

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Speaker 1: back and then pick one of these secondary guys, either

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Speaker 1: a corner or safety. Yeah. I know what they're doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to look at all these mocks that

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Speaker 1: they'll move back to take That's that's where my head

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Speaker 1: ready Henry Ruggs or Jalen Rager at seventeen, Let's dance

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Speaker 1: there somebody who's still lurking out there that's not really

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Speaker 1: if we're doing a quara there, then where we don't

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Speaker 1: need to draft at seventeen. Just wait for the combine.

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Speaker 1: Wait for the combine coming. I think all the cornerbacks.

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Speaker 1: Why because I'm the LA Chargers. Baby. Would Mike Williams

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Speaker 1: stop it. They're gonna draft Herbert or something they should like?

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Speaker 1: Can I get Taysom Hill and draft Jordan Love? You

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Speaker 1: But it's fine. If we all agreed on everything, we

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Speaker 1: It'll be great. They're gonna sign now, I just drafted Henderson.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts having a long NFL career. Dave, can you

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Speaker 1: expand on that? Actually, okay, let me rephrase. Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: could have a long NFL career because he's capable of

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Speaker 1: being on an NFL roster and he definitely can contribute something.

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Speaker 1: I don't see him being like a multi year starter

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Speaker 1: I don't like him, I alone in that. Do you

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Speaker 1: all think I'm crazy? I don't think he's an NFL starter.

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Speaker 1: That's that's my point. I mean, shoot, we spent five

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts might be able to start. Taysom Hill doesn't

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Speaker 1: start that, okay. I was like in my trying to

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Speaker 1: I think I think Jalen Hurtzel get drafted. I think

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Speaker 1: he's he's more talented than people give him credit for.

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Speaker 1: He's got a hell of an arm um and and

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Speaker 1: he's his athleticism helps him make plays Like I have

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Speaker 1: never been impressed by what he does. When a defense

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Speaker 1: that athleticism to win. I mean, like, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm biased, but LSU really hindered his ability when they

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Speaker 1: got after him and forced him to play a little

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Speaker 1: bit more traditionally. Um, that doesn't mean he can't be

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Speaker 1: useful in the NFL. Shoot if he wound up with

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Speaker 1: like a Sean Payton and they could use subpackages for

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Speaker 1: him and let him use his athleticism and things like that.

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Speaker 1: He could be very successful. I just don't see him

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Speaker 1: starting for an NFL team for multiple years. And that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what I was going to say. Is he

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Speaker 1: more of a project? Is that probably the best way

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Speaker 1: to put it in terms of a guy you can

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Speaker 1: put behind a veteran and let him learn for multitude

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Speaker 1: of years with a good coaching staff, and then maybe

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Speaker 1: he turns into a successful quarterback. You can make him

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Speaker 1: the backup in Baltimore. Yeah, I mean, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think you would. He's already taken that right. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: could do better than that, but I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that you're going to just have Jalen Hurts be

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Speaker 1: run the same thing, because like they had to change Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: We've I think we pictured it as all being the

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Speaker 1: all three different offenses. Yeah. The Jalen Hurts offense offered

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Speaker 1: a lot of It was a lot of quarterback power

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Speaker 1: really yeah, where it's like, hey, our running back's gonna

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Speaker 1: lead block for you. And that's because he's not the

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Speaker 1: athlete that Lamar is, right, he's not. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's a good enough thrower to win in the NFL

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Speaker 1: that way. And I don't think he processes what's happening

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Speaker 1: fast enough to win from the pocket. That's the issue.

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Speaker 1: And how fast, how how much development does it take

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Speaker 1: Like almost everyone's a project if you're a quarterback. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that Cody Kessler's on an NFL roster tells

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Speaker 1: you that Jalen Hurts could be on an NFL Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I just don't see him as a starter. I think

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Speaker 1: he and like I hate people that just dismiss a

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Speaker 1: guy off and like you can never measure like somebody's

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Speaker 1: will and the way they develop or what system they

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Speaker 1: wind up in. Would Taysom he'll ever have had the

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Speaker 1: career he did if he didn't wind up with with

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Speaker 1: such a good and creative coach. So I don't want

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Speaker 1: to completely write him off. And if Tyrod Taylor can

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Speaker 1: have the career he had, which included multiple quality years

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Speaker 1: as a starter, starting caliber contracts at the time to

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Speaker 1: go start for a team, Jay, we didn't think Dak

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Speaker 1: would be a starter. Sure, j Jalen Hurts could do it.

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Speaker 1: I just I do not envision him having like a

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Speaker 1: multiple year career as a starter. I think he's a

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Speaker 1: He's a backup slash gadget guy slash developmental dude. Processing

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Speaker 1: down the field was a question for Dak coming out.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the best. Yeah, Like, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not a comparison or anything, but like maybe that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the area in the draft I think Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: would go. I assume have either of you. I assume

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Speaker 1: y'all haven't dive diven dive dove dove on quarterbacks. I

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Speaker 1: have not. I know the Cowboys are not going to

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Speaker 1: need one in the top of the draft. Watched one yet.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've watched a lot of them, and I've

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Speaker 1: I've watched enough study I've between Bama and Oklahoma. I've

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Speaker 1: watched enough of Jalen Hurts to have I think I

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Speaker 1: have a feel for him and didn't grasp on it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would still guess he gets drafted in

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Speaker 1: the by the fourth round. I will bet he gets

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Speaker 1: picked in the third or fourth round. Yeah, that's where

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Speaker 1: I bet he goes. Next question comes from Daniel Buchanan,

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Speaker 1: and Buchanan asks he says who has a better chance

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Speaker 1: to be there in the second round for Dallas? Is

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Speaker 1: it Chason or Queen? Oh, pass rushers go quick. Chason

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Speaker 1: is not a any means, but Caleb and Chason. I

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Speaker 1: could totally see him going in the first round. I

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Speaker 1: think I could see Queen going in the first round too.

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Speaker 1: If you're betting which one might make it, there's a

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Speaker 1: one percent chance Queen makes it and a less than

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Speaker 1: that percent chance Chason makes. Queen is insane to me

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Speaker 1: as an truck as as an LSU fan, like I

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Speaker 1: didn't pick this question out, but he was awesome. Don't

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Speaker 1: get me wrong, He's very good. He covers incredibly well.

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Speaker 1: Hell of a player. But I was thinking he was

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Speaker 1: sort of like an under the radar pet cat, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think so people found well. When

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Speaker 1: I say under the radar, I mean, you know, top

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Speaker 1: sixty pick, top eighty pick. Until he declared I didn't

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Speaker 1: know very much at all, and then I saw other

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Speaker 1: guys watching him, like, oh my gosh, he's really good.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah didn't know two days after the National title game,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah is like, this guy's a top twenty pick,

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Speaker 1: Like oh, I did not see that coming. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: Chason's a bendy pass right, No, no, no no, let's go quick.

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Speaker 1: Chason's a first round pick as far as I position

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Speaker 1: value will matter there and that type of thing. But

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Speaker 1: that is a fun type of you know, prop bet

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Speaker 1: at some point if you want to get into it

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Speaker 1: or I mean, I think Chason goes first. But man,

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Speaker 1: if you're a team who needs an inside linebacker, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to play Patrick Queen versus Kenneth Murray,

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Speaker 1: I think they'll take Queen over Murray. I think they're close.

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Speaker 1: I think Queen a little bit more. He I like

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Speaker 1: how he scrapes through and finds his way to the

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Speaker 1: football am and he sees it pretty quickly too, I

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Speaker 1: think for I, you know, who didn't have like four

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Speaker 1: years of starting experience or anything. I think his instincts

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Speaker 1: are pretty quick. I think there's I think there's a

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Speaker 1: chance they both go in the first round. Um, Queen

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Speaker 1: is the better bet to fall to the second. But

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Speaker 1: even then, I don't think he'd be there at fifty one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be there fifty one either.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting for the sake of Chason where you're

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Speaker 1: Chason went at thirty five, I don't think I would

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Speaker 1: be surprised. It's not it's way different. I'm not comparing

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Speaker 1: the two players, but it kind of reminds me of

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Speaker 1: Harold Landry from a few years ago. Okay, when you're

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Speaker 1: sitting there going, okay, could he go late teens and

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Speaker 1: he ends up you know, thirty six or wherever he

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Speaker 1: went to Tennessee in the second round. Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: think this is a good edge class. Chase Young is incredible,

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Speaker 1: and after that, Chason could be the next one to go.

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Speaker 1: Aj Epenesa I think has probably mocked the highest after that,

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Speaker 1: but I think people are also going to see him

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Speaker 1: and go, okay, the two hundred and eighty pounder run stopper.

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Speaker 1: He had college production as a pass rusher, but what

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Speaker 1: do I project that to the league? Whereas Chason's the

634
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Speaker 1: exact opposite. The production's not there, but I think the

635
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Speaker 1: twitched up athlete is there. I could see him being

636
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: the second edge off the board. I think that's the

637
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: classic case. If Dane Brugler was here, like high floor

638
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: verse or high ceiling verse low floor or high you

639
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? The high floor, Like, yeah, Epiness

640
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: is a high floor. Yeah that's a good player. Chase

641
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Speaker 1: ons a high ceiling where you might get fifteen sex

642
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Speaker 1: in a year. Sure, and you look at you kind

643
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: of mentioned the edge class in general. I mean, I

644
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Speaker 1: have I have Chasing in front of Epinezza and Grosmatos

645
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: out of Pinn State. I mean, Terrell Lewis is in

646
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Speaker 1: there as well. I mean that's just I feel like

647
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: they're just in a different class. Well, those three guys

648
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: up at the top, Chasing or Chason, excuse me, Epinessa,

649
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: and Young are just all by themselves. And I think

650
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: Young's even elevated above those guys too. All the more

651
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: reason why I think the Cowboys need to try really

652
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: hard to bring Robert quinnback, because I don't love their

653
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: odds of really addressing the edge in this draft. I mean,

654
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Speaker 1: who Dallas you got? Unless kind of third were you getting?

655
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: If you trade back, you're trading away from the good

656
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Speaker 1: edge players. You're trading back and taking Grossmatos and hoping

657
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 1: for the best. You said, Curtis Weaver or nothing third round? Yeah,

658
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: that shares the hell out of me. But Jeff said,

659
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: nothing feels like a sure thing, like like Chase Young.

660
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Speaker 1: But there are some guys there who I'm kind of

661
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: uncomfortable taking it there, and I'm more comfortable at a

662
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: value in telling I'm getting extra picks for I think

663
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Speaker 1: Terrell Lewis, of his medicals check out at the Combine,

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to see him get up into

665
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: the twenties. He had a nice week at the Senior

666
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: He's awesome on tape. Yeah, everyone's just worried about his

667
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: legs and they should be, Yeah, because he's he's got

668
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Speaker 1: a bad D. But if his medicals check out at

669
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Speaker 1: the combine, I think you're gonna go. Okay, there's a guy,

670
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Speaker 1: and I think he'll be talked about more than Chason

671
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: I do. All the Alabama players have all these medical

672
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: red flags. Don't worry about that grind back and forth. Okay,

673
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: So this one is Taylor made for Jeff cavan On,

674
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: no about it. I like it all right. I hate it.

675
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: Since it's nearly impossible to come out with four to

676
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: five impact rookie stars in one draft, wouldn't it be

677
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: better to draft a wide receiver high like Rugs or

678
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: rigor try to put up forty burgers on everyone rather

679
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: than focusing on defense and hoping that the rookies play

680
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: big in year one. Yeah, he's just been watching my YouTube.

681
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I feel like this is Is this a

682
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: burner account? Yeah, that's my burner account. Ragor is the

683
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: one guy that I don't think anybody's really talked about

684
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: the idea of at seventeen? Could you do it now?

685
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: In this case, we're assuming that free agency, you kind

686
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: of fill holes, you find a defensive end, you find

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00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: a d tackle. Yeah, you get to seventeen and Rugs

688
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: Judy Lamber gone, and could you take Jalen Ragor at seventeen?

689
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Speaker 1: I will say this, all right, I'll go, I'll go

690
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: this route. Is everybody's so sold on Rugs and nobody's

691
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: talking about Ragor on the same level. One of them

692
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: has had elite production as a nineteen year old in

693
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: college football, and one of them has never had great production. Yeah,

694
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Rugs is faster. There's no doubt he can really make

695
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: people do circles coming off on scrimmage. But Ragor's a

696
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: monster too. I support the forty burger offense. I support it.

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00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: Make your strength so strong that you can cover up

698
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: your weakness. I haven't full disclosure. I haven't had a

699
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: good look at Ragor yet. I know who he is.

700
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: I know he's one of the fastest receivers in this class.

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00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: Sell me on him. But I think when you look

702
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: at him, he's not just fast, he's strong. They'll throw

703
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: him goal line fades and he'll go get it. So

704
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: he's not your typical under six foot guy where it's like, hey,

705
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: his catch radius is tiny. He does have drops, but

706
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: he also makes contested catches where he'll climb the letter

707
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: and go get it after the Catchy's electric twenty one

708
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: yards per punt return last year, including two touchdowns. I

709
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: think Jalen Ragor immediately makes you a team that has

710
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: a threat at punt returner, a deep threat, a guy

711
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: who's held to deal with in the screen game and

712
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: doesn't play small. I think Ragor's a really good prospect

713
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: if you go he was nineteen years old and he

714
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: dominated the Big twelve with bad quarterback well. He came

715
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: out of Walks a Hatchie and he had a couple

716
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: of receivers at Walks a Hatchie too when he was

717
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: in high school and he was head and shoulders over

718
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: everyone best high school receiver in the area by far.

719
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: But you also look at if you do go and

720
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: get a guy like Ragor, that means you're probably not

721
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: going to bring back Randall Cobb. Right, yeah, I'm you're

722
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: you're done with Cobb and so you'll have gallup. Ragor's

723
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: probably Cooper. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of a hesitant thing

724
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: at the moment. But I mean I'm not now, bring

725
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: on the forty burger offense. Forty burgers, Blake Jarwin, Maybe

726
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: get another tight end to work with him in Dalton Schultz,

727
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: bring on a stud that's I mean mine, it's completely

728
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: logical to think, with the way that this thing is

729
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: stacked up, I think the value at seventeen might be

730
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: best at like receiver and maybe cornerback. Almost Fuck, you're

731
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: in a position there where you're not allowed to complain

732
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: about the defense though, because you're not addressing it. Because

733
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: you're not addressing of course, well, because when it was

734
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: the constant problem all year long. What if I tell

735
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: you you're right, the defense was way more in my

736
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: opinion why the Cowboys were mediocre than the offense. But

737
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: if I tell you that they bring back Robert Quinn. Okay,

738
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: now we're talking, and you know they're not if they

739
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: bring back Robert Quinn. They're not going to sign anybody

740
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: like Juicy at D tackle or corner, but they'll fill

741
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: those voids if you can get me Robert Quinn and

742
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: Anthony brown back. Okay, are we cooking with that? Now

743
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: we're cooking. Okay, Now I'm more willing to do something

744
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, which little crazy in the first round.

745
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: It's hard to talk about until you see that. And

746
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't think they would. I don't really think they should,

747
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: but man, it would be fun. Okay, Well, once again,

748
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: and I hope a lot of teams are thinking this

749
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: way because I think it's going to be insane. I

750
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: do think, and I love Ragor, but I also love

751
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: a ton of other guys. And that's where I kind

752
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: of go. Why am I taking a right wide receiver

753
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: at seventeen? I can get a good one at fifty one?

754
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I can get a good one at

755
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: eighty two. Oh my god. Can I get a decent

756
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: one receiver in round four at twenty four? Yeah? I

757
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: think I can, but I would because there's twenty five

758
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: of them that are going to go in the first

759
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: three or four rounds. I want impact, like my right

760
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: wide receivers goes Lamb and Judy Gap, Rugs and Ragor Gap.

761
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: And then we start listing all these te Higgins and

762
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: Laviscas Chanalt and then maybe there's another Gap and then

763
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: my Pittman and au can say has a lot of

764
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: really good players. There's a lot of NFL starters. You

765
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: have Higgins and Chanlt below Rag. So yeah, and we

766
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: aren't doing this as one of the hypotheticals in the

767
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: third segment, but who would you pick? Would you pick

768
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: Rugs or Ragor? He said, he already did. I did,

769
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: I said right now, because we shouldn't be talking about

770
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: one and not the other, is what I'm saying. Okay,

771
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: but at the moment, I have Rugs above, and that's

772
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: fair because everyone's talking about Rugs and no one's really

773
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: talking about everybody's pretending there's three names that if you

774
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: got to seventeen, it's like, oh, maybe you can't pass

775
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: them up. And I think that should be four. Both

776
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: of them think you should at least be in the conversation.

777
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: I do should be there to Yeah, other people are

778
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: gonna think should be there too, or even Auk or

779
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: t Higgins, but those are my four. I think I've

780
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: kind of mentally written and it's not fair. I'm not

781
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: saying it is. I've kind of mentally written Levisca Chennault

782
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: off because he doesn't really fit what the Cowboys needs.

783
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: He's a bit player. He's not a bad no, not

784
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: in a bad way, but like he is kind of

785
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: a jet sweep and screen and after catch, and he's

786
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: a different He's a big body, a bigger bodied guy

787
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: like I'm he's not the typical slot burner. Yeah, you

788
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: want the gu's gonna blow past everybody, right, And I

789
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: don't know that that's him. I don't think he's gonna

790
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: run a particularly impressive forty for a receiver. Yeah. So

791
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: not saying he's not a good player, but in my mind,

792
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: I just don't see him here. So I'm not even

793
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: really thinking about him that much. But I do think

794
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: he will be drafted fairly high. Okay, anyway, I see that.

795
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying there in terms of the

796
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: bigger bodied receiver on the outside. So that's gonna do

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh, Kevin Turner, David Helman, I'm Kyle Yeoman's and

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Speaker 1: Katie Mister Katie fund tweets over across the table from

843
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Speaker 1: me has some juicy pairings that we're gonna have to

844
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Speaker 1: decipher as a GM. Now, I want to clarify this.

845
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: Are we the GM of the Cowboys? Are we just? Uh? Anyway?

846
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: General GM? Who's the better put GM of your own

847
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: your draft in your head? Yelman's team. Let's imagine that

848
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: we're in our own war room here and we're just

849
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: sitting around talking about players. We're trying to build a board.

850
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: All right, who would you rather have? Let's take roster

851
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: needs out of it. Okay, who would you rather have?

852
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: Right here? So I'm two guys and we're gonna try

853
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: to come to a consensus. We're gonna stack him on

854
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: the board. Let's start hit wide receiver, SMU wide receiver

855
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: James Proche versus Texas wide receiver Colin Johnson. I don't

856
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: even think this is close. I think it's unfair. I

857
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: would go Colin Johnson, but I think it's unfair because

858
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: it's big versus little. Yeah, give me Proche all day. Wow,

859
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: you don't think it's close. I would. No, I don't.

860
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I maybe again like my own biases

861
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: in my head, but I got him both in the

862
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: fourth round. Okay, I mean no, I guess so, yeah,

863
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: I just Colin Johnson to me, he's just a big bodied,

864
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: slow guy, And I like, what am I? I don't

865
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: know what am I doing with him? And I guess

866
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: I am thinking about Dak Prescott in this instance. But

867
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: what's what's he helping Dak with? I don't know. And

868
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I remember you talking about him at the Senior Bowl. You.

869
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: I remember you and I walked up to each other

870
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: and you said, man, he is slow. He looks he

871
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: got open because he's big bodied. I mean, he can

872
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: use that in his favor, but like he just kind

873
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: of plods down field. He's twenty pounds away from being

874
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: a tight end. I mean twenty I mean he's huge.

875
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's very well aware of

876
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: what his deficiencies are, and I think he's going to

877
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: do everything that he can to try to get better

878
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: in that. I don't know how he can just get

879
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: a little faster. I think his deficiencies can be changed.

880
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: I don't think whatever. I don't think whatever cathlete he

881
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: is is what he's going to be. I don't think

882
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: that there's like that's one of those things where you

883
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: just say, hey, he's not he's if he If he's

884
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: a four six guy, he's just gonna be a four six.

885
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he's stiff though. I think you shou

886
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: see him turn his hips not on not on route running,

887
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: but like adjusting the back shoulder throws and you'll go

888
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: go up and get the you know the big ten

889
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: fifty fifty ball and all that stuff. You see him

890
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: do that stuff. But I think he knows, like, Okay,

891
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: I don't think he's just a pure straight line guy.

892
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: I think he can do more than what we've seen.

893
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: Uh proche catches everything and gets open and he's everything

894
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: you probably want as a tiny guy. And that's why

895
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: I put these guys together because there's a seven inch difference.

896
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: There were a couple of times though, at the Senior

897
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Bowl that I thought James Prochet was moving in slow

898
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: motion too. He's I mean, I don't he's not a

899
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: burn I don't think he's twitchy. I don't think I

900
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: think he's just a really solid player. I think he's

901
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: got great hand, give me up, give me I think

902
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: he high points the ball better than Colin Johnson does.

903
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: What you're saying, something high, Yeah, one can't get there.

904
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: You gotta put it on Proche too. There are a

905
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: few players watching him on tape where the balls a

906
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: little bit behind him and you see, okay, well it's

907
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: got to be on his chest or otherwise he's not

908
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: gonna get it. And that's it's like that for a

909
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: lot of those smaller guys, you know, with Colin Johnson,

910
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: he built Ellinger out a lot. Yeah, and that's something

911
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: I think when you're talking about a fourth, fifth round area,

912
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: which is where I kind of have these guys, I

913
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: just think it's a little interesting. It does depend on

914
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: what you need. I've got Johnson one peg higher than

915
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Proche on my board. Y'all are gonna hate what I'm

916
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: about to say, because one guy went in the first

917
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: round and one guy we're talking about on day three.

918
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: But Proche just reminded me of like a poor man's

919
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: Dj Moore, who was my pet cat a couple of

920
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: years ago. Like they're similarly built, and no, I know,

921
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: like More is the better athlete, but just watching him

922
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: move like Proche when he gets the ball to meet,

923
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: like he almost looks like a running back. Like I

924
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: love his contact balance, I love his movement ability, low

925
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: center of gravity, very low center of gravity. He catches everything.

926
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: He catches balls like a bigger receiver at times. I

927
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: just I was very impressed watching him a couple times

928
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: because I didn't see a great after the catch guy.

929
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: And to me, that's what made Dj Moore was once

930
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: the balls in his hands, you are in troube which

931
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: to beef. I'm I'm basing this more on practices than

932
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: tape study, Okay, but he stood out to me in

933
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: mobile for sure. Yeah, And I thought he looked great

934
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: mobile too. And I've seen some of the insane catches

935
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: he makes in his workouts, and like, I've seen the

936
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: good things, but I thought that on tape and he's

937
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: great production. You're big junior year, big senior year. But

938
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: to me, I just guy that. I was like, he

939
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: does everything right, Like he's a solid route runner, he

940
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: comes back to the ball, he's gonna catch it. He

941
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: does everything right. But I didn't see anything that jumped

942
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: out at me as like ooh, that's special set Bitylan

943
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: Suton's kind of my reckless comp for Colin Johnson too.

944
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: Yeah for me, you said, and and I mean, look

945
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: it will for teams. That comes down to what you

946
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: need or whatever. But for the record, like Jeff, the

947
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: way Jeff just described him, isn't that what you're looking

948
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: for in a Day three receiver anyway? Like the special guys.

949
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: The special guys are off the board by pick one

950
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, yeah, day three, I would be I would

951
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: be happy with that pick. Yeah. Like there's there's slot

952
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: guys that I like a little bit better, like kJ

953
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: Hill at Ohio State. Yeah, him better because I just

954
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: think that there's more explosive route running there. There's a

955
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: better ability to say, is he one of your guys?

956
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: He's Round three guy for me, guy like j Hills

957
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 1: not in He's not on this segment. Now, kJ Hill,

958
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised that his stock seems so low. Yeah,

959
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: like your senior stats were never big, So I just

960
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: think people haven't done the work yet. Would be my

961
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: game because it's really good. He made people look silly

962
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: all year. I like him a lot for sure. The

963
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: next one is kind of fun here. Let's go to

964
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: safety's Minnesota's safety Antoine Winfield junior y versus California's safety

965
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis. Before I watched Winfield, I hadn't actually heard

966
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: a lot about him, and i'd seen Ashton Davis is

967
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: pretty much the whole world's third safety behind Delpit and McKinney.

968
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: Winfield's my third safety. Davis is my fifth safety. Can

969
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: I throw in a third in Kyle Dugger because that's

970
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: who I have on the graphic. I might have changed

971
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: the last yeah, I think he changed the last minute.

972
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: It's okay. I've studied talking about all three. I haven't

973
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: studied Duggers, so somebody's gonna have to help me with

974
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: that one. But I think Winfield play free strong. I

975
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: think Winfield can do a little bit of everything. He's

976
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: got the ball production you dream of with the interceptions.

977
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: I think Antoine Winfield's only limitation is his size. And

978
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: his size honestly doesn't bother me too much. I think

979
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: there's another thing. He missed a little bit of twenty

980
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: seventeen with a hammy. Twenty eighteen he tore a ligament

981
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: in his foot. That type of stuff tends to bother me.

982
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: Foot injuries, Yeah, things like that. But man, I think

983
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: also there's so much there, and he plays big too.

984
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: I think he's able to kind of use his body

985
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: and want to hit and things like that. And then

986
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: it does just kind of icing on the cake. You

987
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: see how fast he plays from just to seeing it

988
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: on the field and he go, yeah, he looks like

989
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: a guy who just watched his dad play football for

990
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: fourteen years at one. Windfield was a great player. His

991
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: instincts are really impressive, the way I mean it seems

992
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: like he always has a read on where the ball

993
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: is going or where it is. H Yeah. I think

994
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: I watched him Tuesday afternoon for an hour or so

995
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: and was really impressed. And you like, why are people

996
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: so hung up on his size? I don't really It's

997
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: just an inch, right's six foot instead of five eleven.

998
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: Do you change your mind on a guy five? Did

999
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: he maybe five? I think? Yeah, he's a Minnesota five eleven,

1000
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: get this, getting that, getting that idea bump, It's gonna

1001
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: be okay. He's gonna be five o nine six, And

1002
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't care if that helps him fall to fifty one.

1003
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: Let's go. That's okay with me. I agree two things

1004
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: about Winfield. First off, I wasn't impressed immediately when I

1005
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: started watching him, and I got on a Twitter conversation yesterday,

1006
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: you must not have started with the Penn State game.

1007
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: I did not start with the Penn State game, the

1008
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: real state game. That and Zach Wolchuck from the Fan

1009
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: said it, and he was said, look at the Penn

1010
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: State game. This is where you'll you'll change your mind. Yeah,

1011
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: it changed my mind because he took baby Gronk and

1012
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: he made him look silly basically over the course of

1013
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: the game. The thing about Winfield it he had seven

1014
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: interceptions his final year at Minnesota nine career. That's kind

1015
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: of impressive to me. The show that he only had

1016
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: a couple in his first few years, and he didn't

1017
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: start a whole lot at the beginning of his career

1018
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. It was kind of always hurt too, kind

1019
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: of back and forth. He had those injuries in it

1020
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: was it twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, he had he only

1021
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: played four games in each of those years. When he

1022
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: finally had an opportunity to piece together a year, comes

1023
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: up with seven picks. That's the kind of guy that

1024
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: you want. I mean, that's what Mike Nolan's been talking

1025
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: about over the last couple of weeks. Is a guy

1026
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: that you want to be afraid to throw the ball

1027
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: to his side because you could take it the other way. Okay,

1028
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: we all just agreed. We absolutely love Antoine Winfield. Give

1029
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: me a thumbnail on Davis because I think Delpitt, McKinney, Davis,

1030
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: and Winfield are pretty clear cut as like the four

1031
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: options for the Cowboys at the top of the drive.

1032
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: I trust Davis more as a free safety than a

1033
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: strong safety. I think Winfield could be a little more complimentary.

1034
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Davis is gonna come up and he's about

1035
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: ten pounds less than Antoine Winfield, and you see it.

1036
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: You see how kind of skinny he looks, and that

1037
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: kind of bothers me. And there's a couple of miss

1038
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: tackles and kind of gotta go low and kind of

1039
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: play that way down the box. But he can cover.

1040
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: His instincts are good. I like Ashton Davis. I have

1041
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis right behind Winfield in the second round. I mean,

1042
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: here's my safety group, Delpitt, McKinney, second round grad Antoine, Winfield,

1043
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis, like it's in the Kyle Dugger's next. So

1044
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: it's all in that order. And those guys as helping

1045
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: opponent up. I see a lot of tapping guys on

1046
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: the helmet after they block him, and I don't like

1047
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 1: a friendly play my favorite. I don't like he's gonna

1048
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: go head hunt. I don't like the friendly play. My

1049
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: favorite play from him if you go watch the Organ

1050
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: game that he helped an opponent up and it happens, man,

1051
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: I guys trying to diplomacy many But there's a play

1052
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: in the Organ game where he picks off perennial first

1053
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: round pick Justin Herbert and everybody picked off. Such a

1054
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: good play. It is such a good play. I thought

1055
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: sees it. He turns it and he covers the ground

1056
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: and makes the pick. He does look like he's beat

1057
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: I think when the freaking might have been. But give

1058
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: the guy a little bit of credit. He's a good player.

1059
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: Winfield's catchup speed really showed in that Penn State game too,

1060
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: because I thought he was beating on his first interception.

1061
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah he I mean the guy had steps on him

1062
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: and he was like, no, he turned the wrong way,

1063
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: he opened the wrong way. Never mind, all right, what

1064
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: else you get? The next one? Tight ends Dayton tight

1065
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: end Adam Troutman versus Washington tight end Hunter Bryant. I

1066
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: feel like this is this depends on what kind of

1067
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: player you're looking for. Are you looking for the big No,

1068
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: don't cop out Kyle, because we set it's up to you.

1069
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: It's not We're not worried about talking. I'm one percent

1070
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna take Hunter Bryant. I'm about to tell you why.

1071
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: But I'm splitting this up because Adam Troutman is a

1072
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: much bigger tight end six five two fifty one. He's

1073
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: gonna block for you, even though blocking is not his

1074
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: strong point. And then you've got Washington Hunter Bryant, who's

1075
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: six two, looks like a slot receiver more than a

1076
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: tight end. He's a big and he runs around a

1077
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: lot pre snap, and he does a lot of different

1078
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: things for you. I'm taking Hunter. They are different players, Hunt,

1079
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: but Hunter Bryant was really impressive to me. I put

1080
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: on I put on his game against USC. First snap

1081
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: of the game, I'm like, all right, is this guy

1082
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: on the line? Is he in the slot? Where's he at?

1083
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: Couldn't find him? Then I realize he's playing fullback. It's

1084
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: sort of an h back type of deal. Taught sweep

1085
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: and he takes out a linebacker on the first play

1086
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: of the game. Not saying he's like an elite blocker,

1087
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: but over the course of the game like he's very

1088
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: willing to do it. He blocks downfield for receivers. They

1089
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: don't put him on the line a lot, but they

1090
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: on occasion, and he gets in there like he's not

1091
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: afraid to put his nose in it. Is it getting

1092
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: the way guy? That's all in twenty twenty, That's all

1093
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: I want. And he's six two two thirty nine runs, well,

1094
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: can go downfield. He had an amazing I think it

1095
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: was what it was Oregon State where he had like

1096
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards. He had a good game

1097
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: against Utah too. I believe I haven't I haven't had

1098
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: a chance to watch that game, but I do not

1099
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: have the Organ State game. I didn't see that one

1100
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: Oregon Hawaii byu USC. In the two games, I watched

1101
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: like he was a willing blocker and he's got good

1102
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: hands and his dangerous downfield again, you know the old

1103
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: Cowboys regime. I'm like, this is exactly the tight end

1104
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 1: that they would never draft. Jeff is a guy who's

1105
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: don't know that now many knee surgeries. Does a meniscus

1106
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: and an ACL slow you down a little bit because

1107
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: you're okay, No, just too fine. Troutman's got three inches

1108
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: on him. Obviously he's gonna be a bigger thread over

1109
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. I initially had Hunter Bryant

1110
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 1: graded higher, and then I got a load of Dayton

1111
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: film into my drop box and it was go time.

1112
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: And you'll see how smooth of a catcher he is

1113
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: of the football. Hunter Bryan had drops he did and

1114
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: no one's talking about his drops. I was, I like

1115
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: you to bring it up. He's a second round graded

1116
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: tight end for me. I'm just but I'm taking Troutman

1117
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: over Hunter Bryan. I'm scared people are scared of Dayton.

1118
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm scared of FCS. No, I'm scared of getting a

1119
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl bump. That's all it is. He's getting eye

1120
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: dominated MP is what he's getting. He's a dominant football player.

1121
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: Four games at Dayton compared to Bryant, who played in

1122
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: Like I believe it was on the graphic a minute ago,

1123
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: but it was like twenty something. Maybe I'm just maybe

1124
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm just intrigued by the thought that the Cowboys would

1125
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: be willing to draft a tweener tight end and Nevin

1126
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: Ingram type. Yeah, that's I mean, it's it's twenty twenty. Baby,

1127
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: Let's get those red zone mismatches on the T team.

1128
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: Let's go. If I'm gonna do that, I'll just draft

1129
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: a fast guy though, But I mean, you still just

1130
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: draft a fast guy. You still need it? Well, like,

1131
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: who who is that? That that's not going to happen?

1132
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: Who else got the worst? Is? I? Keep it moving? Here?

1133
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: Here we go. Linebackers this time, haven't done a lot

1134
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: of this, guys. Nope. And I'm gonna put this as

1135
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: edge slash linebacker Wisconsin's Zach Bond up against Oklahoma linebacker

1136
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray. Better player, stack him on your board. Those

1137
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: are different skillets exactly. I'm gonna doing this. I'm gonna

1138
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: take don't cop out Dave, don't cop out better player.

1139
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: I hate you guys. I'm gonna take Kenneth Murray and

1140
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it hoping Zach Bond doesn't make

1141
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: me look stupid, because maybe a team takes Zach Bond

1142
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: and they play him in the t J. Watt role

1143
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: and he's able to do it despite his size. He

1144
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: just kind of did it Wisconsin. But I think what's

1145
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: gonna happen is Zach Bond is gonna get moved to

1146
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker like we did with um who was

1147
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: the pass rusher Son Reddicks, where it's like, all right, yeah,

1148
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: he's an incredible athlete and he was a pass rusher

1149
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: and now he's a linebacker. It's like, well that didn't

1150
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: work so well because he was a pass rusher. You

1151
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: made him a linebacker. I know what Kenneth Murray is,

1152
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: art don't know what Zach Bond is. Our NFL front

1153
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: office is as a vanilla or simple, I guess is

1154
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: what I would say to get well, t J, why

1155
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: I just got defensive MVP. Maybe this guy's Wisconsin guy.

1156
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: You are offices think that way, because yeah, I would

1157
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: use him as in everything, But I think his strongest

1158
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: thing is when he rushes the passer. Yeah, so I

1159
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: like Zach bon I've gotten great and higher than Kenneth Murray.

1160
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: I have questions about how fast Kenneth Murray sees sees

1161
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: the ball. I have plushed like he's motors and he's

1162
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: all over the place and all that stuff. But there

1163
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: are times when you're like, okay, like are you moving

1164
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: towards the ball yet, Like he's says a lot of control. Times. Yeah,

1165
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: Like he looks like he's he's overly aggressive, which is good.

1166
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: And I think when you look at Bond, he's a

1167
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: little bit more calculated in the way that he is

1168
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: aggressive compared to Murray, where Murray's just kind of flyball,

1169
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: sea ball, go ball, like kind of just go at it.

1170
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: And I'm just worry that Bond's gonna go like eighteenth

1171
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna take this two hundred forty pound pass

1172
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: rusher and be like, all right, now, he's a will

1173
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: linebacker because he's six three, two forty. If he just

1174
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: ruins him, it's a totally new job. If you're drafting

1175
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: him that high, I hope you have a better clear

1176
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: cut idea of what you want to do. The top ten. Yeah,

1177
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: it's because someone's like, oh, went to the senior role

1178
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: and he looked like he could cover. I'm gonna cheat

1179
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: because I can't completely just forget about the Cowboys when

1180
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: I do this, and Bond offers more of what I

1181
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: don't have. Like I'm okay with off ball linebackers. I mean,

1182
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Laton vander Esh is gonna be healthy. He

1183
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: might be a right defensive end for me. Give me,

1184
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: give me, yeah, give me that guy. H Utah safety

1185
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: Turell Burgess versus Texas safety Brandon Jones. This is a

1186
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: good one. I really Burgess over Jones. I do too,

1187
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: because I believe Burgess offers more as a cover guy. Yes,

1188
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: but do not play him in the box. I would

1189
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: love to, like, tell me what you think about Jones,

1190
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: because I didn't really know what to think first. That's

1191
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: another guy like it took me five minutes to even

1192
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: find him. Brandon Jones six foot two h five. I

1193
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: wrote here, let's see so many wide receivers. He ends

1194
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: up playing a lot of slot corner carries. Jefferson down

1195
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: this against LSU down the field, perfect, Yeah, sideline to

1196
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: sideline speed in the run game against TCU, they're playing

1197
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: at three, three, five, and he's the fifth dB who's

1198
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: more of a third level linebacker. So that's where you're

1199
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: struggling to find him. Yeah, shows some versatility to play

1200
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: man in his own could probably trust him with backs

1201
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: and tight ends. Willing in the run game. Not the

1202
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: quickest diagnoser. He will hit, can cover ground, aggressive and

1203
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: reliable open tackler. Sounds like I'm talking to Brian Broad

1204
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: Totally unrefineding coverage. Let's say you want to know about

1205
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: a player, I'll read you my notes. Tries to just

1206
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: catch guys when they get to him when he's asked

1207
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: to play man, collides and chases. He's a box guy

1208
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: with some athletic ability. I don't think. I think it's

1209
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: back to the football's a problem. If he's got to

1210
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: turn and run with a wide receiver, I think it's

1211
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: a problem. And if you stood these guys next to

1212
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: each other, and I know if you're watching online you

1213
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: can see the grass, you're gonna see Brandon Jones look

1214
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: a lot bigger than Trell bur Trell Burgess got to

1215
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: be a cover guy on the back end. Brandon Jones,

1216
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: to me, has to be a strong and I think

1217
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: that's pretty definitive of what these guys can do. There's

1218
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: a play against I believe it's against Oregon where Tarrell

1219
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: Burgess is running charging towards the line. He blitzed a

1220
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: lot and he was a very effective blitzer. But there's

1221
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: a player where he's charging to the line, he can

1222
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: blow up the running back and he just goes at

1223
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: the ankles last minute and doesn't lack wrap up or anything.

1224
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, you're not gonna lay the lumber

1225
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: on anyone. Dude like is able cover guy, but I

1226
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: put that he's a dependable low tackler. He is going

1227
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: for your ankles and he will get it. Yeah. Well,

1228
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: when I look at Tarrell Burgess, I look at a

1229
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: guy who's looking to kind of head hunt for Like

1230
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: you said, don't put him in the box, but he's

1231
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: gonna still step up and make a consistent tackle there.

1232
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: Whereas Brandon Jones, I just don't trust him and cover

1233
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: just much. I don't at all trust him and cover.

1234
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: I would be nervous. The justin the Justin Jefferson play

1235
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: against LSU was very impressive. My eyes kind of bulged

1236
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: when I saw that. But I watched two other No,

1237
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: I watched two other games and didn't see it. I

1238
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: didn't see like an instinct to find the ball. I

1239
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: think I think he'll be a he'll be end of

1240
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: Day two, early day three, and he'll be a starting

1241
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: strong safety in the league. That's fine. I think that's

1242
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: what it'll be. I think he's better zone coverage inside

1243
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: ten yards up there. Yeah, I think that's probably where

1244
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: he mean. He spent his senior season basically playing linebacker.

1245
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: That's fair. So yeah. But yeah, okay, so we get

1246
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: like five more of these, so put them in goodness?

1247
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: One more? Why not? Oh? Sorry? Yeah? Running backs haven't

1248
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: done running A lot of running back here, I haven't

1249
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: left a lot of running back. Swift is one of them.

1250
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: Take Swift. Do you guys want to not do running back? Do? Yeah?

1251
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: Next you do? Save that. I haven't watched a lot

1252
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: of defense Swift and Dobbins. I know they're both really good.

1253
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: How do you want to do defense? Yeah, I'll take

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01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: one of those. Tackle one. Okay, I've watched those guys.

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Speaker 1: That's good. TCU defensive tackle Ross black clock. Oh, here

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Speaker 1: he goes. We had a we had a thing here,

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Speaker 1: little Kyle. Yesterday I watched him. I didn't see anything

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Speaker 1: impressive versus Mike Crazy. Yes, yes, you're insane. All right,

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Speaker 1: I need to watch more games. I guess Oklahoma defensive

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Speaker 1: tackle in the Ville Gallimore. I got him both in

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Speaker 1: the second round. I have Blacklock right ahead of Galimore

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Speaker 1: to meet. Galimore is a really high upside guy, but

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Speaker 1: he's a redshirt senior who never had college production. Direct drafting.

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Speaker 1: The glimpses that you see off the ball, tell him.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about Blacklock. I watched him play Baylo Blacklock

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Speaker 1: co defensive player that year in twenty seventeen. He was

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Speaker 1: a monster for TCU. Got hurt with an achilles injury

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Speaker 1: in the preseason of twenty eighteen, missed the entire season.

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Speaker 1: So he comes back this year and he puts up

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Speaker 1: three and a half sacks, active hands inside, he's a whenever.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of like what kin Law was at the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl when we were talking with Nate Newton. He said,

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Speaker 1: as if you can get the hands inside of an

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman, he's gonna be tough to block. Three that

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Speaker 1: was stuck playing the one at TCU. See that's yeah,

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Speaker 1: every other and that's fine. This team needs all kinds

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Speaker 1: of defensive tackles, but he was playing nose tackle and

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Speaker 1: one technique the whole game and did not have a

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Speaker 1: lot of opportunities, and it seemed like they would try

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Speaker 1: to create free runs for him. He's going to be

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Speaker 1: better than a three. I thought he held his own

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Speaker 1: against the run way better than Gallimore could ever dream of.

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Speaker 1: I think he anchors down a little bit better, and

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Speaker 1: I think he gives you a little bit of quickness.

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Speaker 1: Gallimore's a better pass rusher, that is what I would say,

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Speaker 1: But intently, I think black Luck is a far better

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Speaker 1: run player than Gallimore is, and that's where I kind

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Speaker 1: of have them black Luck just above Gallimore. Well, the

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Speaker 1: thing about Gallimore that I really liked initially, and I

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Speaker 1: think it was our first show, Jeff and I kind

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Speaker 1: of talked about it. In the lateral movement of Gallimore

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Speaker 1: I liked. I think he can go side to side

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Speaker 1: a little bit better than most defensive tackles. I think

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Speaker 1: Blacklock can do it better than Gallimar. I really can do.

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Speaker 1: I think he's more lateral than Gallimore and puts a

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Speaker 1: little bit on the table there. Plus he's bigger six

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Speaker 1: four compared to six two, and I mean they're about

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Speaker 1: the same size weight wise, ye had an achilles last

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Speaker 1: year's we talked about twenty eighteen. He towards achilles. So

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Speaker 1: if that bothers you, you know, the achilles is an injury?

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Speaker 1: Does scare me? How much does that scare you? Though?

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Speaker 1: In terms of a defensive tackle though? Is that a

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Speaker 1: big enough red flag too? That stuff doesn't bother me

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, like two years removed from it, I

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Speaker 1: think you're fine. Terrier People come back from torn ligaments

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Speaker 1: all the time. But yeah, it's a bigger deal. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: It's weird to say. But you talked about though, concur

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Speaker 1: like recurring tendonitis like ken Law is scarier than like,

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Speaker 1: oh I tore a ligament two years ago. Yeah, hopefully

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Speaker 1: it gets into seventeen. Yeah, we'll see. Absolutely. I'll watch

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Speaker 1: more Blacklock. I just didn't. I didn't see anything, and

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Speaker 1: get watching on tape like I'm looking for past rush ability,

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Speaker 1: which I know that's not the full that's obviously not

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Yeah, but I've seen more of it

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Speaker 1: from Gallimore. I need to take a deeper, better, fast

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Speaker 1: rusher than Blacklock. In my opinion, watch an Oklahoma State game.

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Speaker 1: I will do that. Watch that. That's I watched immediately,

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Speaker 1: and then I watched the Baylor game afterwards, and I

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Speaker 1: saw kind of what you were talking about. I think

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Speaker 1: Baylor kind of ate their lunch in that regard. But

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it here for episode five of the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Thanks so much, Katie

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Speaker 1: for putting that together. That was fun. Good job. We'll

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Speaker 1: address some of that here in a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but for David Hellman, for

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Speaker 1: Kevin Turner, for Jeff Cavanaugh on Kyle Yeoman's We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next Thursday. Here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: Draft Show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys

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