1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Ron and Anien. You know, Tom, I'm having a rough week. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: It's it's really I heard that you're having a rough month. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Last month you got your fause truck stuff. That's not 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: way to lost your starter. If now you can't figure 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: out how to burn the microphone rounding, how the light 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: doesn't light up Tom's studios Broken doctor news that got 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. I'm a guy and I was kind 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: of interested in your take on them. I think that 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: the Z car was really the early ones were forgotten 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: and underrated because I think they were phenomenal. Welcome to 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: the radio home of Ron and Anian the Car Doctor, 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: since this is where car owners the world overturned to 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: call in. The garage doors are open, but I am 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: here to take your call at eight five and now 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: he is running. Did you hear the one about the 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: Toyota president telling Apple how to build a car? Yeah, 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: true story. Actually it's not a joke. It's in the 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 1: news this week that the president of Toyota is telling 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: Apple that they have to prepare for the long haul 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: with an Apple car. Apple. They're saying it's not a 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: matter of if, it's a matter of when Apple decides 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: to build a car, because Apple wants to build an 25 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: all electric vehicle. And it kind of makes me wonder 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: we don't get the same product support that we get 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: with their phones. You know, how how well is that 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: car going to work? And what's going to be the 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: continued long term product support because Apple seems to come 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: out with a new phone every year, if not sooner, 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: So what we're gonna have new models every six months? 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: But the president of Toyota True story Google It is 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: telling Apple that they had to prepare for the long 34 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: haul and at least a forty year commitment because of 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: the length of time that they expect the cars to 36 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: be on the road. Of course, I thought that was 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: kind of humorous because if you heard my opening hour 38 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: comments this week, of the first hour of this week's show, 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: I was telling this story about the two thousand one 40 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: Toyota Prius that you can't get a battery for it. 41 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: It's only twenty years old. So did the president of 42 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: Toyota missed that memo about you know, the batteries are 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: starting to disappear now there's no availability on components and 44 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: things like that are disappearing. So just to comment, So, this, 45 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: this whole electric car thing has got everybody in its 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: sizzy and and I and I think they're just going 47 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: the you know what you want. My honest opinion, I 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen. I think it's a big 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: political ploy for the next ten years. And I guess 50 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get politics into this, because sooner or later 51 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: politics comes into cars. Right where I think we're being 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: fed a bunch of Boulogne that uh, you know, somebody's 53 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: gonna come along and save the day or straighten things out, 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: or all of a sudden we're gonna realize, hey, we 55 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: can't produce electricity out of thin air until the aliens 56 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: get here. Mica, writing in um I love hearing from 57 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: My love hearing from all you guys, Micael wrote, wrote 58 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: me a note, Hey, Ron, I was gonna call it 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: and comment on electric cars Mica from Maine. One of 60 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: the points I wanted to make has to do with 61 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: planned OPTSO lessons, and this sort of seems to be 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: right up there with what we're talking about in recent weeks. 63 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: All electric cars requires software, and that software is run 64 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: by computer processors, just like on your iPhone. It's funny 65 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: that he picked an iPhone right the Apple The software 66 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: is updated regularly, but eventually the computer processors can handle 67 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: the updates. I have an iPhone six that was brand 68 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: new in it still works perfectly fine, but it will 69 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: need to be thrown away in September when Apple no 70 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: longer supports the software as iOS fourteen will not run 71 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: on my current phone. And this company is gonna build 72 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: an Apple car, all electric, self driving, they're saying possibly 73 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: by three years away. It's even worse with Android phones 74 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: that only have a software update for two years from 75 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: the time of purchase, assuming they are purchased brand new 76 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: and have the latest Android electric cars. Even current ones 77 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: MICA continues like the test La run on software, and 78 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: some of the earliest Teslas are no longer on the road. 79 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: They've been called back to the factory because the software 80 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: can't be updated. Odds are an electric car will be 81 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: only good for three to six years, and you know, 82 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: I think there's some validity here. I question how long 83 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: will it be able to be here? Because we're going 84 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: to have planned obsolescence. You know, every model year. Internal 85 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: combustion engine rolls along every model year. There's improvements to 86 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: that drive line, there's improvements the way that gas engine 87 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: is constructed. There's improvements to the component tree that's there. 88 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: But we're changing valve timing, solioids, we're changing timing change, 89 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: we're changing fuel injectors, were changing component try not necessarily 90 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: condemning the electronics. The electronics change on a semi regular basis, 91 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: but not at such a rapid rate. We're not dependent 92 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: upon a chip to make the whole vehicle run. Is 93 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: the main power plant. Isn't the electric car problem being 94 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: brought about because I'm gonna call it a problem, I 95 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: think that's what it is. Is it the electric car 96 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: problem being brought about because some places are just not 97 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: prepared for mass transportation? Wouldn't it make more sense? Here's 98 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: where I'm getting political, folks, So this is where you 99 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: might not want to listen. Um, didn't it make more 100 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: sense if we started to put our dollars into mass 101 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: transportation and committing within the next twenty years to make 102 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: a certain percentage of the vehicle fleet electric self driving 103 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: and roll this thing out over the over the next 104 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: six years, Because again, where are we going to get 105 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: the electricity from where we you know, where's this source 106 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: of power going to come from? Tom, you have a comment. 107 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: I love this new video camera thing. Tom, I can. 108 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: I can see the look on your face and uh, um, yeah, 109 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: you have a comment about something. Well. I read an 110 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: article the other day, um, from a Canadian electrical transmission engineer, 111 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: and he said, you know, if you and America are 112 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: going to insist on these electric cars, you're gonna have 113 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: to change out your entire electrical infrastructure. And thinking about it, 114 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to use Let's use my house as an example. 115 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Most houses in the United States have one service coming 116 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: in and most electric chargers, According to this guy, we'll 117 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: draw about fifty amps off the line. So let's say 118 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: my wife comes home from work. She pulls her electric 119 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: car into the driveway, she plugs it in. It's now 120 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: drawing fifty amps, which is the capacity of that breaker box. 121 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: Now she comes in, she passes the laundry room and goes, oh, 122 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: I had laundry in this morning, takes the laundry out 123 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: of the washer, throws it in the dryer, turns the 124 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: dryer on. It's now drawing twenty amps. We're not pulling 125 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: seventy amps. She walks upstairs. She turns on the oven. 126 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: That's pulling another twenty amps. So now we're up to 127 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: nine d amps. You yeah, which which is of the 128 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: capacity of the breaker, and you usually don't want to 129 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: exceed the capacity of a breaker. Then she goes in 130 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: the bathroom and uses the bathroom. We have a well. 131 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: She flushes the well, pumped, starts. It pulls fifty amps initially, 132 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: Now that's not gonna pop a breaker, but it will 133 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: pull almost ten amps. We're now up to a hundred amps. 134 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: So she walks in the kitchen, tosses something in the microwave, 135 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: starts the microwave bang, the main breaker blows. So we're 136 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: gonna have to up to two hundred amps. And I 137 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: know for a fact that the transformer on the poll 138 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: out here um because it was changed a couple of 139 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: years ago. And of course I bothered the guys from 140 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: the power company. It's good for five hundred amps. And 141 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: the reason they changed it was because at the time 142 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: it was put up, there were only two houses attached 143 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: to it there and now nine houses attached to this transformer. 144 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: And like the guy said to me, he says, you know, 145 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: he's back in those days. He's when we hook when 146 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: we finally got up to nine houses, he says, it 147 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: was okay. He says, now he's take a look around 148 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Everybody's gonna pool, everybody's got an air conditioner, 149 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: everybody is doing this and that, and you've got heat, 150 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: and you've got well pumps and you've got He says, 151 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: you need a hundred amps service in every house. And 152 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: we needed up this to a five hundred amp transformer. 153 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: And I went, you know, reading this article, thinking, yeah, 154 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna have to put some hefty wires well, 155 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: and you know Tom, That's where Mica finishes his letter 156 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: and will close it out here this segment. So besides 157 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: all the issues on repair, Mica writes, he says, where 158 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: are we going to get the electricity from? And where 159 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: are we going to find new charging stations? And the 160 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: other issue is that over time, software updates will no 161 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: longer be available. The I t people who write the 162 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: software have to remember that the new software needs to 163 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: run on old processors. And he's absolutely right. I think 164 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: the letter is spot on. You know, So in fifteen 165 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: years after the inception of that electric vehicle. Are we 166 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: gonna be running software that's fifteen years older? Are we 167 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: gonna somehow magically transform the hardware? Well, you know at 168 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: some point when that when the processors changed, because they 169 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: have to, um, you know, you know, the way the 170 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: technology advances, the older program will not be compatible with 171 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: the architecture and the new processor. And I don't think 172 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: it would be possible to rewrite it. So you know, 173 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: now you're having these companies, right, two versions of software, right, 174 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: three versions of software, four versions of software, five versions 175 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: of software, and they're not going to be able to 176 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: keep track of it. And you know, in the end, 177 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: in the end, And I've I've been saying this from 178 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: day one. Mark it down. This is a RONI is. Um, 179 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: this will be on the T shirt. Okay, which, by 180 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: the way, Tom, you're not in your official car doctor 181 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: T shirt today, So I just want to point out 182 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: I can see that achieve No, Tom, Tom, keep your 183 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: keeping up there, he is. Okay, Now you are all right, Yeah, 184 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: there you go, same one we always were. We always 185 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: wear the same T shirt on show day. But the 186 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: point will become that the little guy, that person that 187 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: is struggling along trying to make a living and you know, 188 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: feed their kids is now going to find hey, you 189 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: need to update the hardware in your electric vehicle, and 190 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: tell me this isn't going to happen. Okay, somebody get 191 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: up here and say, no, Ron, that will never happen. Bologny, 192 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: all right, And I'd say something else, but it's family radio. 193 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: But it begins with a big boulogney, all right, that 194 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: that person isn't gonna get stuck with a repair bill 195 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: or a cost to upgrade their electric vehicle because of 196 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: new hardware or we needed to have some new fancy feature, 197 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: or we're gonna have wireless charging or something else that 198 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: you know. The reason the car did so well at 199 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: the turn of the last century, and trust me, I 200 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: know I was there, is that when cars first came out, 201 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: it was supposed to be transportation. That's all it was. 202 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: It was to get you back and forth from work 203 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: to home, to chores to what have you. My friend 204 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: Jeff came by the shop the other day and he 205 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: was showing me a video he'd been working on a 206 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: Model A and I think it was a Model A 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: model or Model T with the hand crank out front, 208 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: a two cylinder Model A I'm gonna say um with 209 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: a self oiler for the main bearings. It was really 210 00:10:54,559 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: early early nineteen twenties something, and we're the hand rank 211 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: and Jeff's explaining the whole process to me. You know, 212 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: it took your fifteen minutes to start the car, all right. 213 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: It was a hand crank, and you had to hit 214 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: the oiler, and you had to hit the choke, and 215 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: then you had to get back into the car, and 216 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: then you had to let it warm up, and then 217 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: you have to take the hand crank out. My god, 218 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: it was a process. And I looked at him and 219 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: I said, but how could everybody today do that? Jeff, 220 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: I said, they're holding a coup of Starbucks in one 221 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: hand in their cell phone and the other and it 222 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to work where they would uh, where they 223 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: would actually be able to do it. But all kidding aside, 224 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: let's pull over and take a pause. When we come back, 225 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: we'll open up the phone lines. Here at zero zero, 226 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: I'm Ron and eating the car doctor. We're back right 227 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: after this. He drives that way. But when it comes 228 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: to fixing cars, Ron has card advice done right eight 229 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: five five five zero nine nine zero zero. Here's Ron, Hey, 230 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: let's get over to Cathy and Virginia. Cathy, welcome to 231 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: the car doctor. How can I help hides here? Someone 232 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: came on our property and they had they had a 233 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: skirmish against my nephew. So they so our gas tank 234 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: of the seventy four and they puncture three at the tires. 235 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: And I've been looking online and the cost of a 236 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: gas tank doesn't seem to be that much. Well, did 237 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,359 Speaker 1: you start the car since they didn't know? Okay, good? 238 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: Everybody said, don't do it right right? You know, you know, 239 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: there's a myth out there that that sugar will destroy 240 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: the engine. But the truth is sugar shouldn't dissolve in gasoline, 241 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: or so we're led to believe by the chemists. But 242 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: what you do have to do is, you know, and 243 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: and and so it'll stay in granular form, so it 244 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: won't be able to get past the sock and the tank. 245 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: There's a there's a filter or a sock on the 246 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: end of the pickup tube inside the tank. So at 247 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: the very least, you do have to drop the tank 248 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: and get it flushed. And you know, I don't know 249 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: that you necessarily have to replace it. Now it's a 250 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: ninety four. It's it's four or fourteen, it's almost thirty 251 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: years old. You know, what what sort of shape is 252 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: the tank in? And how easily will the lines come apart? 253 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: Are they're going to cooperate and and you know those 254 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: kind of concerns. Um, that kind of stinks. Uh, you know, 255 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. Did you happen to file 256 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: a police report? You probably should. Well, we filed the 257 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: police report in two days later they came and shot 258 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: our garage. So it was it's just been a mess. 259 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: I've just been a mess. You know. Somebody gave us 260 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: seven hundred dollars with a counterfeit money, so it's it's 261 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: a whole new thing. But my husband is a an 262 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: A s E. Certified mechanic and he just retired this 263 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: summer and he's like, I don't want to really do that, dear. 264 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, but then go out and buy me 265 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: a fifteen thousand dollar car so I can tootle around town. 266 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: And what I said, what did you say to that? Well, 267 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe we can work something out. So 268 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: you have to explain. You have to explain to him 269 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: the rules of the road. Yeah, you know, if mom 270 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: is not happy. Nobody's happy. Right, Oh, you got that right, Yes, ma'am, 271 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: I understand that. So I'm I'm a veteran. I'm a 272 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: veteran of the marriage wars myself. Um, trust me. Just 273 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: you gotta explain to him, you know, you gotta tell him. 274 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: Here's what you gotta tell him. You're ready, kath, you 275 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: got you gotta tell him. He's the head of the household, 276 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: all right. He's the head, but you're the neck, all right. Oh, 277 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: I love it, all right, and the nick tells the 278 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: head which way to point, So you're in charge. He 279 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: just doesn't know it. I've come to that conclusion right now. 280 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: My wife. My wife sort of lets me believe that 281 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm really the one run on the show. But I 282 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: know who's really in charge, and that's you know, yeah, 283 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: we've got to give you a little bit of hope. 284 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: So well, it's exactly say so. By the way, you 285 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: can tell your husband. The He Man Woman Haters Club 286 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: meets Wednesday mornings at the shop. Has to be there. 287 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: We bang the gavel at seven thirty. We have a 288 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: half hour of coffee. Well, because it's it's myself and 289 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: some of the older guys, you know, Danny, my younger mechanic. 290 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: He's single and he's he's in love. We're trying to 291 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: explain it to him. So that's you know, how how 292 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: how love and cars kind of comes into the mix 293 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: here is just you know, but already he's starting to 294 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: sound like an old married guy. You know, he's um, 295 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: he's starting to get it somehow. We we all come 296 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: to that same conclusion that love has its price, I 297 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: guess is a good way to look at it. So um, 298 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: anyway to have anniversary in August, God bless and those 299 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: are the best, right yeah, yeah, so tell him listen, 300 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: you need a new car for your anniversary. Perfect. So 301 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: in all seriousness, though, maybe you want to put some 302 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: cameras up around the property. Well we tried that, but uh, 303 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: the battery the guy that had the cameras didn't put 304 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: the battery in. Oh well, we've gotta get electric batteries, 305 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: you know that. You know, how about a dog, Let's 306 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: get a big dog, a big dog. Kind of the 307 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: turns everybody they were hunting with my husband, so it 308 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: was just me and my nephew, and nobody heard anything 309 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: until they heard the shots, and they heard him way down, 310 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: way down the street, they heard shots, and they came 311 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: to our property and then they never did anything else. Jesus, 312 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: this is this really Virginia? Is this the wild West? 313 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: Kathy Zeus is Virginia, And I'm telling you it is 314 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: like the wild West, and it's all it all has 315 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: to do with drugs, crazy stuff. Well listen, you'd be 316 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: you'd be safe down there. Huh. You know, don't take 317 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: any chances. So all right, and uh, well, thank you 318 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: so much for the hope. I mean, I really I 319 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: don't want to just leave that car sitting there. No, 320 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: not at all. I would like I said I would. 321 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: I would get the tank out, get the tank flushed, 322 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: and I I think you're gonna be fine. So but 323 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: you know from that perspective, but I just I have 324 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: to tell you that, you know, the world we live 325 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: in is getting crazier by the in it, and I 326 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: would have I would have concerned for you and yours 327 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: to be safe. So, uh, you're gonna I'm gonna. I'm 328 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: gonna make it because they're they're at the hunt Pud today. Yeah, 329 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: take every precaution, Take every precaution, you know, you know, 330 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: maybe you need a perimeter with punge sticks. Did I 331 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: say that, Um, you can't. You can't do that. So 332 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: I know, I know a couple of Vietnam veterans who 333 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: tell me some good stories. They are interesting things. But um, 334 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: you know, every once in a while those guys come 335 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: in handy. While they come in handy a lot more 336 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: than every once in a while. But you get my point. So, Kathley, 337 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: I gotta go. I'm gonna get in trouble. Thank you 338 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: so much. You wrote up with Sweetheart. You'll be well, 339 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: you'd be safe. Wow. What a crazy world out there? 340 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: Uh you know, Um jeez, is it Virginia the wild West? 341 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Where are we living? Um? Just unbelievable crazy stuff. I 342 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: think what Carpenter Bob says. I don't know if I 343 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: can say this on air, Tom, but Carpenter Bob always says, 344 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: by bullet, they're only good ones. So um, kind of 345 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: makes me wonder. Uh he's right in a way. So 346 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: crazy world, crazy, crazy world. Well, we'll come back to 347 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: talking about cars. The gun shows over now and I'll 348 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: be running any in the car doctor near the side 349 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: of this break. Don't go away. Welcome back running in 350 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: the car doctor here at eight five five zero zero zero. 351 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: You know I was. I was reading this email from Robert. 352 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: He wrote in with some comments about wheel balancing, and 353 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't help but think of remember Star Trek the 354 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: voyage home and they're walking around the hall spital in 355 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: San Francisco and um, well, actually they had a beam 356 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: into the hospital in San Francisco and bones lines. Dr 357 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: McCoy's line to Captain Kirk was Jim, you've got to 358 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: let me save him. Don't let it, don't leave who 359 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: has it check off? Here in this land of black 360 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: magic suitures and scalpels and and you know, dinosaur bones 361 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: or whatever he said, you know, in terms of it's 362 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: everything so crude and archaic. I'm reading this email ron 363 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: I was getting tired at my local tire shop and 364 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: overheard a conversation between one of the workers and the 365 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: owner of a Silverado Dully that's two tires on each 366 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: side in the back that due to the large diameter 367 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: hole in the center of the wheel, they can't balance 368 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: them stock aluminum wheels. The worker went on to say 369 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: the tires shouldn't be that bad, but if the truck 370 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: owner wanted, he could try balancing beads. This made me 371 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: think about my own duly when I needed tires. My 372 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: first question is is this a common problem or specific 373 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: to this shop not having proper equipment? Second, can you 374 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: explain balancing beads? My god, I haven't seen balancing beads 375 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: and tires since the eighties? All right. The idea of 376 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: balancing beads was that they would roll around on the inside, 377 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: go to the heavy or the or the or the 378 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: spot needed the most, and help equalize the tire out 379 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: and smooth out the vibration. But holy cow, why don't 380 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: we try heating up the inside of the cabin by 381 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: setting the interior on fire. I mean, it's it's this 382 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: is completely archaic. This is this is thirty year old technology. 383 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: Well it's older than that. I haven't seen it in 384 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: thirty years. So this is a shop that is not 385 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: equipped to balance the tires on that vehicle, because trust me, 386 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: GM doesn't say that when the car comes down the 387 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: line at the end of the line and go, well, 388 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: we can't balance those wheels. Let's put balance beads in 389 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: it and make that work, all right. So here's the 390 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: argument for why a shop needs to update their tire 391 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: equipment on a regular basis. You know, it makes a 392 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: conversation point or this all right? Someone asked me that 393 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: they were talking about tire prices mountain balancing and you 394 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: know that whole rigamarole, and what does it cost to 395 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, why is tire balancing so expensive? And I said, 396 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: you have to look at the technology. You have to 397 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: look at what it costs a cheap wheel balancer today. 398 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: That's gonna have some durability and last and accuracy. You know, 399 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: the consumer, you the customer. You guys worry about accuracy. 400 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: You just don't want the tires to shake, and you 401 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: want them to last. The repair shop, if they're smart 402 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: and they've got something between their ears, they want that 403 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: piece of equipment. When it fails, they can get a 404 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: replacement part and they don't want it to fail. And 405 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: at least not that often, I mean from a practical 406 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: point of view, right, And yet guys will go out 407 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: and buy the cheapest, you know, a piece of junk 408 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: they can find. They'll get one or two years out 409 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: of it, throw it out and then go buy another one. 410 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: And they'll tell you, well wrong, but you know it's 411 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: it's based on price. I know guys that are changing 412 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: some of the cheaper tire machines every three years. I've 413 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: got my Hunter tire machine. Well this one's about those 414 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: six years old. Um so I'm equivalent. I figured out 415 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: to where those guys are and my wheel balancer is new. 416 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: But my last wheel balancer from Hunter lasted nineteen years 417 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: and the only reason I got rid of it was 418 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: I just I wanted newer technology. I just wanted to 419 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 1: upgrade the machine. But it would have worked fine. It 420 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: just takes a little bit longer to do what we 421 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: were doing. You know, if you're in a shop that 422 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: tells you they can't do something, try this, try that, 423 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: and if it sounds Mickey Mouse to you, chances are 424 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: it's a trip to Disney, all right, because it just 425 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense, and you've just got to be 426 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: aware of it. Um uh so, just just be aware. 427 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: Note there are ways to mount correctly, mount duly wheels, 428 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: big hole. Uh there's adapters out there. I know Hunter 429 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: makes them. We actually have them at the shop that 430 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: will allow us to mount and balance most anything out there. 431 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: Just a little more tedious, a little more time consuming, 432 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: and obviously a little more costly. But cost can't come 433 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: into it. It's got to be can you do it right. 434 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Let's get over to the phone. Let's get over to 435 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: Gale in Virginia with a tense subaru. Virginia is coming 436 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: in loud and clear, Gale. There's some crazy things going 437 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: on in Virginia. Or last caller from Virginia was telling 438 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: us that out how she's having Uh jeez, the garage 439 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: door windows were shot out, and gas and the sugar 440 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: and the gas tank and what's going on in Virginia 441 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: these days? I don't know. I heard that, so I 442 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: don't know what areas she's from. Yeah, but we don't 443 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: have anything like that around here. Yet be safe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, 444 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: we always have to say yet yet becomes part of 445 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: our language. Uh, as part of the normal every day. 446 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: How can I help you in your SuPAR route today? 447 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: I love your show, by the way, thank you. I'm 448 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: glad to have you. I have it's a subar u 449 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: um that and my question was a time and chain 450 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: timing belt. I also have a toyo to siy on 451 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: that requires a time and chain that I don't have 452 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: to repay replace. But the super u as the belt 453 00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: that I have to repair replace every one, so they're 454 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: not cheap. But I just finished. I just finished doing 455 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: the the first one and it was seven. Right, So 456 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: your question to me is why or or yeah, why 457 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: why do I have wha can? Why do I have 458 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: to replace the belt and not to change? Okay, so 459 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: the chain's metal, it's more durable, all right. You would 460 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: have to replace the chain on anything dependent upon what 461 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: your oil change maintenance is. Like, you know, there's there's 462 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: value in doing those oil changes on a regular consistent basis. 463 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: I know that. Yeah, that very well, right, you know, yeah, 464 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: it's and it's it's it's not just that, it's it's 465 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: it's it's everything in the engine. It's the chain, it's 466 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: the engine itself, rings, valves, the whole setup. So you know, 467 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: doing regular maintenance, it's like, you know, it's like, don't 468 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: have a can of coke and a slice of pizza 469 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 1: every day once in a while is okay, But you know, 470 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: it's it's how we treat our cells, it's how we 471 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: treat the cars. So that comes back to the chain 472 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: as far as the chain is more durable when that ssion, 473 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: if that sion gets to the two thousand mile mark, 474 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe the chain is gonna have enough slop 475 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 1: in it that it will finally require replacement. But you know, 476 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: the oil changes that you do now pay dividends later. 477 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: That belt, that belt is rubber. Obviously, rubber just has 478 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: a finite life. There's just nothing you're gonna do about it. 479 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: You know, tires have a six to eight year time 480 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: span in terms of birthdate. They tell you to always 481 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: check the sidewall of the tire for the birthdate, which 482 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: is cast right into the tire. And they tell you 483 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: that if the tire is older, I think it's older 484 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: than eight years is where the industry is right now. 485 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: If it's more than eight years old, it might be six. 486 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: But if it's I'm gonna say eight, but you get 487 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: the idea. If it's older than that time frame, uh, 488 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: they tell you that that tire has exceeded it's it's 489 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: safety factor in terms of you know, durability and how 490 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: well it'll hold up on the road. A lot of 491 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: times you will find, and you know, it's a good 492 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: way to be aware, is you will find that if 493 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: somebody is running a you know, all of a sudden, 494 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: the price of a tire is thirty dollars cheaper than 495 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: what it was or what it is from the guy 496 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: down the road. Somebody might have a bargain on tires 497 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: because they're selling stock that's two years old, that's been 498 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: in the warehouse, and the unaware consumer just figures, hey, 499 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: I can get this tire thirty dollars less um. And 500 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: for some people that will work out. You know, if 501 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: you do high mileage and you're gonna roll through that 502 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: set of tires, it's already two years old and four 503 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: years you're covered. But if you buy a set of 504 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: tires it's two years old and you're barely doing five 505 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: thousand miles a year because you're doing all short trips, 506 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: that tire's gotta last you. You know, jeez, you want 507 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: to try and get that eight year time span or 508 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: whatever the length of time is out of the tire, right, 509 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: so that the rubber doesn't dry out. Um. But the 510 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: same idea, that's what affects the timing belt. The timing 511 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: belt gets dry and brittle over time, and if it fails, 512 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: just like a bicycle chain, right, You've you've seen a bicycle, right, Gail. 513 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: You know the chain breaks. If if that was a 514 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: rubber belt and it broke, the bicycle wouldn't work. The 515 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: engine doesn't work, and it stops when you did the 516 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: timing belt that they do the water pump or just 517 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: the belt. Okay, so be aware that should have a 518 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: timing belt driven water pump, all right, so yeah, if 519 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: it does, yeah normally because if that's a timing belt 520 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: driven water pump, which it should be, when the pump fails, 521 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: when the pump starts to leak, all right, now you've 522 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: got an issue with Now you guess what you have 523 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: to take off in order to do the water pump 524 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: the timing belt. All right, So you kind of go 525 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: through the right, You kind of go through the whole process. Um, 526 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: so just be aware, just be mindful next time, you know, 527 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: maybe you go back and talk to them and uh, 528 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: just be mindful whenever you're doing anything like that, timing 529 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: belt wise or anything. It's just a question of you know, 530 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: is it just a timing belt, is there a water 531 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: pump involved? Are their tensioners, are their idlers? You know, 532 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: you want the whole package. Don't base it on price, 533 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: based it on longevity. So you don't have to go 534 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: back in fifty miles and repeat the process again. Call 535 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: me with more questions. Stay safe in Virginia. I'm running 536 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: any in the car Doctor. Thanks Gail. I'll be back 537 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back when I named car DOCTORO zero. Um. 538 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: By the way, time I noticed that, you know, never mind, 539 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: I was gonna say something. You know, I'm gonna I'm 540 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: gonna get you more T shirts. You're gonna say something. 541 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: I was gonna say something, but I was thinking about, Um, 542 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: I guess it's time to do more car doctor T shirts. 543 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: I'm meant to tell you that the other day. I think, so, 544 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I right now, it's when to her. 545 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm wearing, uh, you know, I'm wearing a tough sweatshirt 546 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: to support my daughter because I'm sitting down here in 547 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: the h in the downstairs area of the house where 548 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: I keep it a little cooler. So right, yeah, I 549 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: think I have to I have to do that. I 550 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: was reading a really great article by A Kathleen Harris, 551 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: We need wheels should be lease or By, and she 552 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: makes some really good points, and you know, the gist 553 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: of it becomes that, you know, cars are a lifestyle, 554 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: and I like the way she wrote the article. For example, 555 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: if you're on a tight budget, the elease or Darby 556 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: and ms Harris says, you know what if you're on 557 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: a tight budget lease. And her argument becomes, if top 558 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: priorities having the lowest monthly bill, lease payments typically are 559 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: lower than car loan payments, and a lease is low, 560 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: do it signing payment with average monthly payments may suit 561 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: your financial situation. That's actually true. And she also in 562 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: her article UM with regards to the elease or by, 563 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: she talks about the fact that you know, if you're 564 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: just starting out, you're married, you don't have kids yet. 565 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: You know, you're kind of working towards the long haul, 566 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: and you know, do you start out? And I never 567 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: thought of it like that. I gotta admit she changed 568 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: my mind on it. She said, you know, you need 569 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: flexibility for the future. You know, you may be married, 570 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have kids for a couple of three 571 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: years four years. Leases are typically to three years long. 572 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: Maybe you're going to lease that car and then get 573 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: into the minivan. UG. Every time I say that, women 574 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: go U. Just that minivan thing just kind of irks him, 575 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: which I'm sorry. UM, you know, I guess it's part 576 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: of the it's part of the badge of honor. UM. 577 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: I always say to my wife, I say, you know, 578 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: the pain you felt when the kids were young, we 579 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: get to inflict back on them now when you have grandchildren. 580 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: I think it's like a reverse Uh. You've paid your 581 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: dues and uh, you know, you get to make it 582 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: work your way. So, but it's an interesting idea leasing 583 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: when you're young. Then she goes on to say, hey, listen, 584 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: you have kids and you're just about they're just about 585 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: to start driving. What do you buy the elease or 586 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: do you buy She says, buy used. And our argument 587 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: is if you're worried about the combination of an experienced 588 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: driver in the high risk of scratching things, which is true, 589 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, chances are that young driver is gonna have 590 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: an accident, and oginately buying a certified pre owned car 591 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: can save you a ton of money. And that's right, 592 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: that's absolutely right. She goes on to point out that 593 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: you get a one or two year old car with 594 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: its life that left for twenty for less than a 595 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: new car. A car that's only a few years old 596 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: will likely have all the safety features you want for 597 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: a new driver, like blonds bite blondze, blind spot mitering, 598 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: talk much monitoring, review cameras, cross traffic alerts, inside airbags, 599 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: it's lower your insurance bill. And of course if you're 600 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: buying something used, you want to take that car to 601 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: a mechanic and have them look at it and um, 602 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, make sure it's in good a good, good 603 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: overall condition. And then if you need a second family car, 604 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, something short term, short trip. I've got an 605 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: older couple going through this right now. They're probably going 606 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: to buy one more car in their lifetime, but they 607 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: want to keep that second car. But they're gonna buy 608 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: that first car and keep the second one because they 609 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: need a cheap set of wheels to get around if 610 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: you can afford the repair bills and you're not doing 611 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: a whole lot of driving. And as the article points out, 612 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: you want to buy because it becomes more cost effective 613 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: in the long run. So you know, there's a lot 614 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: of ways to get into a car. There's a lot 615 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: of things to think about, and you know you've got 616 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: a sort of baseline how you approach it in terms 617 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: of what you're what you're part of the market represents 618 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: in terms of what do you have to spend if 619 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: you were living in North Jersey. And if you notice 620 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: anytime you hear me quote dollars on the show. I 621 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: always talk North Jersey, which is where we are. Um, 622 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, I will tell you that you're gonna spend 623 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: ten to twelve grand to get a six year old 624 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: vehicle with probably eight thousand miles on it, and you 625 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: know that's gonna need work. The more you spend, the 626 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: less work it needs, the better off you might be. 627 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: Things to think about zero, I'll run on eating the 628 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: car doctor. I'll be back right after this. Don't go 629 00:32:47,600 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: with welcome to ground name of the car doctor. You know, 630 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't know where this article came from since came out. Well, 631 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: it came out of this February issue of Triple A magazine, 632 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 1: and it's titled Wat's Up Doc W A T T S. 633 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: And of course somebody sent it to me and I 634 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: was reading and it talks about electric vehicles, and I'm 635 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta read between the lines, all right, 636 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: No pun intended, and no not to beat up electric vehicles. 637 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: One side of this article is asking most people about 638 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: buying an all electric car, and you're likely to hear 639 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: a list of excuses. Well, the Chevrolet Bolt takes those 640 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: arguments and the gates them one by one. First of all, 641 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: they're not slow. I never said electric cars were slow. 642 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: The electric motor propelling them. Propelling this compact hatchback delivers 643 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: more power instantaneously the moment you step in the accelerators. 644 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: Not a stretch to say the bolt feels quick though. Okay, 645 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: driving range is another common anxiety. Now listen to this. 646 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: The e p A list range on a full charge 647 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: of two and fifty nine miles, which you'd get, which 648 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 1: should get most anybody through their day. So the backside 649 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: of that is every time you go home or every 650 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: day you park, you're gonna be charging that via goal. 651 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: You gotta hope there's a charger available. And I'm not 652 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: trying to be negative, Nancy, I'm trying to be practical. 653 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: Show me where Let's take California for example. Show me 654 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: how in the state of California they're gonna have enough 655 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: electric chargers for all the vehicles that are projected to 656 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: be on the road. That state's gonna look like a 657 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: massive grid of wiring and and I can't imagine what 658 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: in the next ten years. Okay, recharging a Chevy bolt 659 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: takes nine hours from a normal two forty old household charger, 660 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: and a fraction of that time from a level two 661 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: or three charger. But what if you can't find a 662 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: level two or three charger. I don't know. I think 663 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: we're being sold to build goods. By the way along 664 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: the electric car line. We didn't talk about this today, Tom, 665 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: nod your head, James Lebrec. Next weekend, yeah, um, James Lebrec, 666 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: the assistant to the Governor of Maine or the former 667 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: assistant to the Governor of Maine on energy. It's gonna 668 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: be with us next weekend. We're gonna be talking about 669 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: the electric car future. James got some interesting points. I'm 670 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: running any of the car Doctor, reminding you until the 671 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: next time. Mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See