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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to the solid verbal. You are

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Speaker 1: hearing the dulcet tones of me and right now, exclusively me,

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Speaker 1: Athletic and his receipts. That's right, we are going to

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like I'm trying to antagonize Ari, who's

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Speaker 1: They're not all correct, But I'm very excited for this episode.

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Speaker 1: brandt Ari Wasserm in the Athletic How are you this morning?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls? Did

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Speaker 2: I did I do good?

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Speaker 1: You did well? You did? You were very good?

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Speaker 2: He loves the boys. He says it welcome. He always

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Speaker 2: boys and girls. I couldn't remember exactly how he starts it.

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Speaker 1: He does something.

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Speaker 2: How are things going in sunny Chicago Land not Sunday? Today?

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Speaker 1: Not great? It's overcast and damp. It's not it's not

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Speaker 1: Everything's good. I made pizza Friday night. We'll get maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that at the end of the episode.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I want to do today. So I have

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Speaker 1: I don't know, two games for you. One of them

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Speaker 1: is called Receipts once Again. And the other game and

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Speaker 1: this is a game we've played many times. Did you

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Speaker 1: recognize this voice?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but you're gonna have to run me through

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Speaker 2: the rules again.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who is that voice?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I've heard it on this show.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, So that's Kristin Cavaleri of course,

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Speaker 1: from Laguna Beach and then a bunch of other shows,

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Speaker 1: she declared her car on Laguna Beach as we're talking

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Speaker 1: to aspirational Southern California Ari Wasserman. Yeah, Donzo, and so

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched that show. By the way, you didn't

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Speaker 2: I realized when I said the scenery, people like, this

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Speaker 2: the show. No, that's not what I was getting at.

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Speaker 2: I watched that Realtor show on Netflix with my wife

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Speaker 2: when they're showing the houses. Okay, because Laguna is my

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Speaker 1: But you just have to meet somebody like that.

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Speaker 2: or may not sound appealing to you. A comment that's

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Speaker 2: great to me. Sure the podcast, if you bring your

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Speaker 1: I don't know how we're going to get into this

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Speaker 1: the playoff. You've put your money where your mouth is.

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Speaker 1: that's the difference in sports media between likable enjoyable people

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Speaker 2: They have really good line play, you know they've their

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Speaker 2: it's probably a pretty safe bet that whoever it is

437
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Speaker 2: is going to be very good. So that, to me

438
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 2: is a very compelling case for Ohio State to not

439
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 2: only be the most likely team to make the playoff

440
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: out of the Big Ten, but also a team that

441
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: I would probably feel safely or pretty certain or safe

442
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:15,239
Speaker 2: parking my money with for a national title bet. And

443
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 2: I think that they're closer to Georgia and Alabama than Michigan.

444
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Speaker 2: Is that said, I think Ohio State has a Michigan

445
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: problem right now. And even though I think Ohio State

446
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: is a team that is more likely to win a

447
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 2: national championship this year, I think Michigan is the more

448
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 2: likely team to win the Big Ten?

449
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Speaker 1: Can I do that?

450
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Speaker 2: Does that make sense to you? So? Like to me

451
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: the way that the season starts, the season played out

452
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: last year. If you watch the playoff, everybody with eyes

453
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 2: knows that Ohio State was more equipped to be on

454
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: that stage than the Michigan was. Sure, and we'll never

455
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: get to see how Michigan would have played against Georgia

456
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,479
Speaker 2: because they lost in the first round of TCU. But

457
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: if you watch the Georgia Ohio State game, you were

458
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Speaker 2: watching two titans of the sports. Sure right, lost to

459
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 2: Michigan at home by a billion like a month earlier.

460
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Speaker 2: So which are we going to get the Ohio State

461
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: that craps its pants against Michigan? Now? Are we going

462
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Speaker 2: to get the Ohio State team that plays like they

463
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Speaker 2: did against Georgia and typically plays in the playoffs, say

464
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Speaker 2: for a few appearances or are we you know, and

465
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Speaker 2: like how do I decide that? So for me, the

466
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: safe and probably prudent thing to do would be to

467
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Speaker 2: put Michigan number one in the Big Ten because they

468
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Speaker 2: deserve the benefit of the doubt. They have a bunch

469
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Speaker 2: of returning talent. I think they probably are going to

470
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Speaker 2: be better than they were last year. They have a

471
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Speaker 2: formula that beats Ohio State twice, it is proven to

472
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Speaker 2: not be a fluke, and they have a proven quarterback

473
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Speaker 2: who might be the third pick at the position in

474
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Speaker 2: this draft. Second time I said it on the podcast.

475
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Speaker 2: Both are true, then Ohio State number two. Because if

476
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Speaker 2: they turn it on and they win that game on

477
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Speaker 2: the road, which also is into the formula that the

478
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: game is on the road this year, they could win

479
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: a national championship, and then Penn State would have to

480
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: do something remarkable, which is get through both of them.

481
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: That's just a harder path and for a team that

482
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Speaker 2: has never proven to be able to beat one of them,

483
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: really to do it both of them, or at least

484
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: win the Big Ten with one loss to them is

485
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: a really tough route, So I think that that is

486
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: just a hard thing for them to do. But I

487
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: think Penn State's going to be very good football team

488
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 2: this year, So that's my viewpoint of it. But if

489
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Speaker 2: I had to guess who's going to win a national championship,

490
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Speaker 2: Ohio State is the only of those three in my opinion,

491
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Speaker 2: that can win two playoff games.

492
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Speaker 1: So what's the knob that needs to be turned for

493
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Speaker 1: Ohio State from the last couple of years?

494
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Speaker 2: Right?

495
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: Is it filling lanes along the defensive line and being

496
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Speaker 1: more mindful about rotating in fresh legs on defense against

497
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Speaker 1: a team like Michigan. Is it rethinking the construction of

498
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Speaker 1: the team in recruiting right, Sometimes great recruits aren't the

499
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: correct recruits right to win games like the Michigan game.

500
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Speaker 1: Is Ohio State better built to win in a dome

501
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: than they are to win outside? Which is a weird

502
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: way of thinking about this, but you saw, you know,

503
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: when the elements got a little bit tricky for Ohio State.

504
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: That was what Michigan relished, essentially, right to just get

505
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: down and dirty, and Ohio State wasn't willing to successful

506
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: or wasn't able to successfully play that game? So what

507
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: is it, knob wise that needs to be turned?

508
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Speaker 2: I was on the phone with Urban Meyer for a

509
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Speaker 2: story I'm working on a few days ago, and I

510
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: regretted not asking him, and I don't know if he

511
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: would have been honest with me because he's you know,

512
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: close with Ryan. Right, what do you think is off

513
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: right now? Because I think that that knob that you're

514
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: asking me to answer is one of the most interesting

515
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: stories in college football right now? Sure, because it's like,

516
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: why does Ohio State falter in that game? Is it

517
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: John Cooper happening again where they're making it too big

518
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: and they are you know, just kind of you know,

519
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: nerves wise, just not playing their best football because they're

520
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: off in their feelings. M m is Michigan tougher than them?

521
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: Is that? What it is? Ohio State can't stop the

522
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: run against Michigan. But that makes me second guess myself

523
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: because they did a pretty good job of hanging in

524
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: there with Georgia. Who I think is Michigan on five

525
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: or six steps down the line?

526
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: Sure?

527
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Speaker 2: Right? Like, isn't Georgia just a better version of Michigan?

528
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

529
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: Or it's Michigan with better players.

530
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Michigan with a much deeper defense with more

531
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Speaker 1: speed on offense, it seems. And there's speed on Michigan's offense,

532
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: but and it's a team that the last couple of

533
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: years has been more willing to get a little bit

534
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: more creative on offense and has had the ability to

535
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Speaker 1: take advantage of who they've had on offense, which I

536
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,479
Speaker 1: think is if there's a complaint among Michigan fans, it's,

537
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, this vision is great for the offense and

538
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: it wins a ton, but we're going to lose fast

539
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: receivers and interesting all purpose type players if we don't

540
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: figure out ways to use them more appropriately. And I

541
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: think the Orgia does a good job of that.

542
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, but it's like weird to me because it's like,

543
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: how do you say Ohio State didn't win the game

544
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: on their home field last year because they're not tough enough,

545
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: and then watch them go nine round boxing match with

546
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: the best team in college football right and basically be

547
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: one made field goal away from a national championship last

548
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: year when a team when the season was a failure.

549
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: You know, like that is like a hard thing to

550
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: kind of compartmentalize. So can I just be a man

551
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: and be like, I don't know, Like I really don't

552
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: know what has to happen. I would think that there

553
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: is this theory out there that says that people think

554
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: that Ohio State went to national as a recruiting brand

555
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: and like has lost the backbone of what it was,

556
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: which is in Ohio midwestern program that has players that

557
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: are built on the roster who grew up understanding and

558
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, reveling in that rivalry. And if you have

559
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: a bunch of kids from California and Texas and Florida,

560
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: they don't quite understand the magnitude of it, right, But

561
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: they were nationally recruited program under Urban Meyer and that

562
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: never seemed to be the problem. So, you know, I

563
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: think that the coach, Ryan Day, is a very nice man,

564
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: and I think that like, if you sat down and

565
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: had dinner with him, you would feel like you're just

566
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: talking to a regular person, which I think is one

567
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: of his more admirable traits. But I know for a

568
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: fact that he's in highly competitive human being behind the scenes,

569
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: and I think he really, really really wanted to beat

570
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: Michigan last year because of you know, you know, what

571
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: happened the year before. And he would never admit this

572
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: to me, but I know for a fact that the

573
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: born on third base comments really got to him. Sure,

574
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: and I think it's possible that, you know, there is

575
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: such thing as overwinding yourself, maybe that happened. But all

576
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: I know for sure, Dan is whatever it is. Every

577
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: year that Michigan wins that game, the tumor grows and

578
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: grows and grows and grows until it gets out of hand.

579
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: And I think that, like, it's pretty big right now,

580
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: and if they don't win it this year, then like

581
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: you have some major major problems.

582
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Speaker 1: And what if Michigan is just really good? They are

583
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: really good that but that's the thing, right, what if

584
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: they are coached by a super Bowl coached quarter you know,

585
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: a quarter excuse me, a head coach who's been to

586
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl who is a little bit more clear

587
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: about his in game vision for his program and also

588
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: hired a better defensive coordinator and coordinators to take down

589
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Ohio State specifically and Ohio State. While they hired a

590
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: really good defensive coordinator, maybe he is not able to

591
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: get and the most out of his players in the

592
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: way that Michigan is able to get the most out

593
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: of their players, and Ryan Day simply doesn't have the

594
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Speaker 1: vision that Jim Harbaugh does.

595
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Speaker 2: I think that's possible, and I think that there's no

596
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: question you'd be a liar if you didn't say that.

597
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, wh when squeezing or ringing the rag is

598
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: getting more water out of its arm. Ohio State is

599
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: with their roster. But I look at the blue chip

600
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: ratio last year and I look at it this year,

601
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Speaker 2: and I say eighty five for center of Ohio State's

602
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: players are blue chip players and fifty four percent of

603
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: Michigan's players are. That's that's a pretty big gap. But

604
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: also the quality of the blue chip player that Ohio

605
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: State is getting is much higher than Michigan from an

606
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: average player ranking perspective. They're getting top one hundred players

607
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: in Michigan's getting top three to fifty players. That's not

608
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: a one for one comparison. That's a gap. So the

609
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: talent gap between those two schools is so wide and

610
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: so drastic. I don't think people appreciate how wide it is.

611
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: And yet Michigan is continuing to win. So, like, do

612
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 2: you think that coaching and knowing who you are and

613
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: being a Super Bowl guy and all the things that

614
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: you just mentioned outweighs the It's like the Little Giants

615
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: versus the Cowboys. Sometimes Michigan it was four years ago,

616
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: Well it was three years ago, and the gap is closing.

617
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: The gap is closing, but there's still a drastic, ocean

618
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: wide gap and talent between the two schools. So like,

619
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Speaker 2: if it's just Michigan, you don't think.

620
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: So, No, I don't think it's ocean wide. I think

621
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Speaker 1: if you're above that fifty percent mark and you have

622
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: the fundamental pieces to win on a big level, which

623
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: Michigan does, especially upfront on defense, that they're producing NFL

624
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: talent and they're getting a lot out of all three

625
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: levels of that defense, especially the young guys that came

626
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: in last year, I think there's also something and you

627
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: refer to this with simpleness, No, I know it's a

628
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: math thing, but yeah, you mentioned this with Texas that

629
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: sometimes there's something about a place right that maybe Michigan

630
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: is a better place to develop excellent Big ten players

631
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: than Ohio State is. Maybe they figured out a way

632
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: to teach and communicate winning Big ten games more than

633
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: Ohio State has that when you write, are are a

634
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: recruiting I don't know. If it's a recruiting nationally thing,

635
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Whatever it is that Ohio State is also,

636
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean Michigan. You're right, and so there is something

637
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: about whether it's teaching, whether it's communication that Michigan and

638
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a gulf again once you're over

639
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: a certain level, like, yes, you can say.

640
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: I disagree with that. I disagree with that completely because

641
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 2: if there wasn't that big of a gap, then there

642
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: would be more parody when it came to the highest level.

643
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: And when I said earlier, I think Ohio State is

644
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: more likely in the better pick to win a national

645
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: championship than Michigan is. Do you agree with.

646
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: That based on last year? Sure? Yeah, Well that comes

647
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: back to our terms too of winter wonders, right, that

648
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: the team that generally has the special offensive skill talent

649
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: combined with defensive line. So then you go look at

650
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: Clemson receivers, you look at what Ohio States receivers were

651
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: last year even beat up that that's the type of

652
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: team that can beat Georgia.

653
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: Right, let me rephrase the question. Then, do you think

654
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: that Michigan could play a game with Georgia that close

655
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: or like, do you think that they could make it

656
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: look like that?

657
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: No?

658
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: Because of and Harrison flying all over the place, and

659
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: you know the ball flying from c J. Stroud and

660
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: you know, hard hits and speed and athleticism all over

661
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: the field. Sure, Like, I just don't think that Michigan

662
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: on its best day could play a game like that.

663
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: I don't think Michigan Iowa State can. So that's the

664
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: gap I'm trying to trying to say exist.

665
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: I think I think the gap last year between those

666
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: two teams Ohio State and Michigan was more pronounced at quarterback,

667
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: Like I thought JJ McCarthy very much looked like a

668
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: freshman and c J. Stroud very much looked like a

669
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: top five NFL draft pick. I think that's the difference

670
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: when you pars those teams against a team like Georgia, and.

671
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: Then when they played on the same field, they got

672
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: their butts kicked. So even if you and I are

673
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: on different.

674
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: But was that but that wasn't a quarterback thing as much. CJ.

675
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: Stroud made plays that game. Yeah, and JJ McCarthy made

676
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: plays in that game, especially like two or three deep balls,

677
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: But I don't think JJ McCarthy won that game with

678
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: his arm. No, he didn't take it on his back.

679
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: So it's what's what is asked of them, I think

680
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: is the difference.

681
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, then you'd be a fool

682
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: to think that Ohio State would win this year. Sure,

683
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: So that's why I think that I like because like

684
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: I concede at that point, I said, I think Michigan

685
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: should be the favorite to win. I think if you

686
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: don't think Michigan is the favorite to win with the

687
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: game at home, with all these circumstances that we have,

688
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: then I don't know what you're looking at. That said,

689
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: I still think that the difference between the two rosters

690
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: in the math, if you look at it this year,

691
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: we're talking about a thirty player difference on an eighty

692
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: five man roster of blue chip talent, and that doesn't

693
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: even start to compare or to take into account the

694
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: rankings of those four Star because a top one hundred

695
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: player in a four star who ranks three sixty seven

696
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: is a huge difference too, and it's a one for

697
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: one swap. So if you look at that, sure, the

698
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: math on it is so lopsided that there's no way

699
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: I could ever join you on that journey of well,

700
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: they're past fifty percent, so it's not that big of it.

701
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: It is a huge deal, and that's why I think

702
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: that Michigan cannot win the national champion hues.

703
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: So then turn your attention on why is Ohio State

704
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: the place that continuously gets upset by much less talented teams.

705
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: It's been that way for twenty years, right, Ohio.

706
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: So it's Purdue Iowa, It's yeah, they got absolutely trashed

707
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: up front by an Oregon team missing its star edge

708
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: rusher and starting and I believe this is true Anthony

709
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Brown at quarterback and they got stomped up front by

710
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: Joe Moorehead's offense.

711
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: So you want to get your finger ready, ready for

712
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: the receipt button.

713
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm okay.

714
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: Ohio State is the most underachieving program uses your book

715
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: college football when compared to the resources in the town.

716
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: They have on the roster. No one's done less. And

717
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: two years ago it might have been Georgia, but now

718
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: it's not anymore.

719
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: Obviously, No, I mean this, youve been eve been beating

720
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: the strum quite some time, I know ten years.

721
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: And that's a receipt that you can frame and put

722
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: on your wall because I keep saying it every year

723
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: and it just keeps coming true. So, like, if you

724
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: go look at like the teams that Ohio State won

725
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: the National Championship with, like an O two, like that

726
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: was a special team that won by the skin of

727
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: its teeth every week, and I don't think you'll ever

728
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: be able to match that. Right, But like, was fourteen

729
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 2: a better football team than fifteen? Like all the teams

730
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: that they've had was six better than five? Neither of

731
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: them won? Right, was three better than O two that

732
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: didn't win? I don't know, probably not, but maybe nineteen

733
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: might have been the best team they've ever had. They

734
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 2: didn't win. They lost to Clemson with that tar game

735
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: penalty and all that stuff. And if you look at

736
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: last year's missed field goal, like maybe that's not a

737
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: team that deserves to be but they they if they

738
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: would have won the national Championship, it would have been

739
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: the most appropriate thing in the world, because they only

740
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 2: time they win one was with teams that shouldn't do it.

741
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: The fourteen team that won the national championship was a

742
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 2: year early. There's no way they you know, that team

743
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: would have you know, been considered or picked to win

744
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: a national championship going into that year. So if you

745
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: look at all the great teams at Ohio State, and

746
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: he kind of even get me started on the nineties,

747
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: when you look at like the really really good teams,

748
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: they had a talent advantage over Michigan before the talent

749
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: composite was even compiled. If you go look at the

750
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: way those and they lost to Michigan every year in

751
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: the nineties, which is why people bring up John Cooper

752
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: when they talk about Ryan Day, which may or may

753
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: not be fair. But there is something more to it

754
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: than just composite rankings, and sometimes that's really really hard

755
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 2: to identify. And I think that's true with Ohio State.

756
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: I think it's true with Texas. I think it's even

757
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: true with A and M. Like how can A and

758
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 2: M have? You know, all these great players in stink

759
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: and not just like be kind of bad or lose

760
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: games they shouldn't, but like also just stink. You know,

761
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: It's there's just something extra in the soup there.

762
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: I think it's the crushing weight of the place. And

763
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: each place has a different crushing weight of pressure or expectations,

764
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: which is right. The genius of Nick Saban, that he's

765
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: able to get everything aligned, that he's able to withstand

766
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: that pressure and come out of it ahead every year,

767
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: it seems. So that's that's the difference that it takes.

768
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: Everybody needs a Nick Saban, and there's only one and

769
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: maybe a Furpy Smart We'll.

770
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: See, And I would love to know. And I don't

771
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: even know if Nick Saban could quantify it. But like

772
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: you know how Andy Staples, God Rest his soul. Michie

773
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: Buddy has what's called the truth serum where you put,

774
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: you know, a shot in someone's neck and they are four.

775
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: It was in the Ben Stiller movie you know, Meet

776
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: the Parents. I think that was two and they had

777
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: to tell the truth for the next ten minutes whatever.

778
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: If you ask Nick Saban, what is the ingredient in

779
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: your secret sauce that not only allows you to recruit

780
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: the way that you do, but get the most out

781
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 2: of your team's year in and year out, even when

782
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 2: the edge should be gone. What is it that you're doing?

783
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: Because if you go look at the Ohio State program,

784
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: you could find and circle maybe six or five teams

785
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: out of the last twelve to fifteen years that were

786
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: good enough from a talent standpoint to win the national

787
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: championship that didn't What do you do in Tuscaloosa that

788
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: is different than what Ohio State does in Columbus because

789
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: they're very similarly situated from a talent stamp, right, and

790
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: maybe more so even in Georgia too. And that's changing

791
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 2: because I think that we might be on the verge

792
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: of all the Nick Saban things that never could be broken,

793
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: all the records being like matched by Kirby in the

794
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: next twenty years. Like that is out there, like and

795
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if people have recognized that or not.

796
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: But the way that they're recruiting now and the way

797
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: that they're built in the juggernaut is kind of like

798
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: on autopilot. Right, they could win six national championships in

799
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: the next twelve years and be in the exact same

800
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: place that Alabama is right now. But what's the difference.

801
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: What is it that you are doing? What is it

802
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: that Kirby knows? And that to me is the most

803
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: valuable thing that you could buy or harness as a code.

804
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: My educator know the answer to that, my educated guess

805
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: is attention to detail, right, the very specific attention to

806
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: detail that Nick Saban has that he's not satisfied at

807
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: national championships because that's time he could be recruiting. That

808
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: the attention to detail, and he probably runs a better

809
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: practice than anybody else, if I had to guess, you

810
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: know when you listen to interviews that like, practice is

811
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: so much harder than are that you know, you practice

812
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: something so often you just can't get it wrong. That's

813
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: the difference. If the problem with Ohio State against Michigan

814
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: was execution, that's never going to be the problem. You

815
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: might maybe there will be a scheme, maybe there will

816
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: be a specific lightning and a bottle team that beats

817
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: Alabama like the Ole Miss teams. But I think it

818
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: is the Nick Saban attention to detail, the ability to

819
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: teach his assistance exactly what he expects with every minute detail,

820
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: how this is taught, how that is taught. I think

821
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: that's the difference. That the confidence in his own vision

822
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: that Nick Saban has, I think is a step beyond.

823
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: Especially considering the fact that it's remained present despite the

824
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: fact that they've had more roster i mean coaching turnover

825
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: than anyone else. Because that's how you know it's the guy.

826
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to do another receipt. Tennessee will

827
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: win a playoff game in the.

828
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: Next three years, I don't think so.

829
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: Not merely get to win a playoff game.

830
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

831
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: So you are you are paying against Joe Milton and

832
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: Nico's arms on that level.

833
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: Yes, because I just don't know if they played a

834
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: different conference. Maybe, Okay, because I think they'd have more

835
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: shots at making the playoff in that span, which then

836
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: gives you a higher likelihood of winning one. I think

837
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: that they are way behind where they would need to

838
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: be in the talent composite for them to do so.

839
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: Ok Like, they're not even in the blue chip ratio

840
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: in this coming year, which means that they probably have

841
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: to have four or five more years of really, really

842
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 2: good recruiting before they can even come close to being

843
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: mentioned in the same discussion as the Georgia.

844
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: You know Alabama, Well, remember going at twelve. So a

845
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: potential playoff game could be against Wisconsin, it could be

846
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: against you know, I'm thinking Oregon, it could be against

847
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: you know a number of teams Penn State.

848
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess then maybe I should change my answer.

849
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of like the fourteen and I guess I

850
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: probably should have just thought about the twelve out of

851
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 2: the gate, But you know, I guess from that standpoint,

852
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, I still think it might be.

853
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: No damn, I'm waiting for the it's gonna it's quarterback

854
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: and defense. They've filled quarterback, it's defense.

855
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: I think when they played Georgia last year, you got

856
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: a front row seat of like, just what the gap

857
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: is there? And I don't know, you know, they would

858
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: have made the twelve team playoff last year, and if

859
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: Hendon Hooker didn't get hurt, they probably would have won

860
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: a playoff game last year. So that's really really hard. Again,

861
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: the projection thing is tough, But I just think that

862
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: they probably are four years away of really good things

863
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: coming and happening to them before being awesome.

864
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: The next big Big twelve rivalry game, which is to

865
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: say we're losing Texas Oklahoma as a Big twelve rivalry game.

866
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: The next big Big twelve rivalry game, which means that

867
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: we have to have both bad blood and a collision

868
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: course element. Both one team is six and one on

869
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: to the other seven and zer and it always seems

870
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: to be this way is between which two teams?

871
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I think TCU would have to be in there, right,

872
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 2: Like I think TCU Baylor probably the Yeah, just two

873
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: Texas teams, both of whom are consistently you know, competing

874
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: or have competed at the highest level, and you know,

875
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: are not that far from me.

876
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: Do you think, how long do you think if both

877
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: TCU and Baylor are consistently good tennish win programs, how

878
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: long would it take for somebody in Seattle, Charleston, Portland, Maine,

879
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: ipsil Ani.

880
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: Michigan to Portland, Maine watch any game.

881
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: There's there's a guy named Scott in Portland, Maine. How

882
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: long will it take TCU and Baylor to become a

883
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: rivalry Because it seemed like we were getting there and

884
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: then things went awry for both programs and very different

885
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: they played.

886
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: I think it only takes three years.

887
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: Three years, I think three.

888
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: Consecutive years of must watch games. So like if they

889
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: if they are both six and oh or seven and

890
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: o going into the game for three years in a row,

891
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: you would get there because you have to, because I

892
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: think the whole thing with the rivalry is identifying who's

893
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: standing in your way to being excellent yep, and then

894
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: coming into them or running into them multiple times in

895
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: the three year period. Like I remember when I was

896
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: on the Ohio State beat that Clemson was in their

897
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: way a bunch, both in recruiting and in the playoff,

898
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: And it took three years before Ohio State outlined them

899
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: as a rival.

900
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: You live, you live in Dallas, I do, Okay, there's

901
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: a receipt right there. I can confirm I have the receipts.

902
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: I assume you have met people that went to TCU.

903
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: Very few. They're all Aggie's and Longhorn.

904
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: It's a tiny school. Yeah, And so I think the

905
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: one one guy I know is Marshall Newhouse who played

906
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: at TCU that I've come across. There's a guy down

907
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: the street, he who has a TCU flag from where

908
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: I am right now. But the problem is with those

909
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: huge rivalries nationally, or big rivalries or interesting rivalries generally,

910
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: Like you've come across somebody who went to that school,

911
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: an ants you know, ex husband or something. Oh, yeah,

912
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: he went to Alabama. Yeah. The problem with where the

913
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: Big twelve is right now is the lack of national programs,

914
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: and TCU specifically has such a small footprint in terms

915
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: of people familiar with that school.

916
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: So that's how tough. I think that is, though, do

917
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: you think because like what because you're asking me, how

918
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: do we get Scott from Portland, Maine to one?

919
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no I don't even have an idea

920
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: of what my answer would be.

921
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: So I don't know if enrollment matters. I think what

922
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: people want is a good product. Sure, so if they

923
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: manage to continually be very good and that conference is

924
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: still in the midst of producing teams that we believe

925
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: can advance in the playoff, then it becomes must watch

926
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: TV for anybody who claims to be a college football fan.

927
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: And trick listen like, if you're a college football fan,

928
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: you're I'm watching games all day that I wouldn't otherwise

929
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: care about just because I want to see how it goes.

930
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: But I don't think the average Collage football fan watches

931
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: twelve hours of football on Saturdays.

932
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that if it was six and

933
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: over six and oh and it's the last big speed

934
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: bump on a team's especially in the twelve team playoffs,

935
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: are then you you you watch that. That said, I

936
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: have some concerns about whether or not the Big twelve

937
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: is going to be group of five E when the

938
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: group of five ceases to exist, right, Like that's the

939
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: thing that's tough, and it's we're talking about a team

940
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: that's still in that conference, that that played for a

941
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: national championship last year. So, but what happens when the

942
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: changes occur in the USC and UCLA are in the

943
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: Big Ten and Texas and Oklahoma and the SEC and

944
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: then what if Oregon your your boys to the Big

945
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: ten or something like what is the Big twelve going

946
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: to look like in twenty thirty four? Like that is

947
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: scary to me.

948
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: When you say the group of five season two exist.

949
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to become a relegation situation

950
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: where we are going to have a grouping of teams

951
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: that we don't associate with the Big ten in SEC

952
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: and the way that we kind of do now, I.

953
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: Just meant it from a just verbal standpoint, just like

954
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: we're not like the group of five is not going

955
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: to be a thing anymore. But the way that we

956
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: view group of five teams is fun to watch, high

957
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: quality football in some of the places, but a lower

958
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: level than the Power five. And I think that if

959
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: the Big ten in the SEC expand one more time

960
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: and you get a few more of those bigger brands,

961
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: Like if we're talking about Clemson or Florida State or

962
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: Miami or Oregon or Washington, like those are the five

963
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: big ones, right, I don't forget anyone. If those five

964
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: join those two, then without question, reminder of the teams

965
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: that are left out of that stamp of those two

966
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: teams are going to be viewed as the same way

967
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 2: that we view the group of five. Now what that

968
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: looks like, whether it's a different level, or whether they're

969
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: even playing, Like I don't know if like in twenty

970
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: years where we're just going to have a big ten

971
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: sec mega conferences where they only play each other and

972
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: it's the AFC and the NFC. My hope is and

973
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: like you know me, I'm anti playoff expansion. Did you

974
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: know that?

975
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: I do know that.

976
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: But the one thing that I am happy about is

977
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: that by expanding the playoff, we are continuing to allow

978
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: teams in these conferences a seed at the table, which

979
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: keeps the entire country engaged. Because the thing that I

980
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: don't love about the expansion of all this, I actually

981
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: hate the expansion. I don't like all the change is

982
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: that this is a national sport where geography used to

983
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: matter and where you're from and where you went to

984
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: school used to matter, and like now we're cutting off

985
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the country because the television deals

986
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: are better. And like, if you're a college football fan,

987
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: that stinks, and I feel bad for the West Coast.

988
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure you probably agree with that, Yeah, of course,

989
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: and I feel bad for I know teams that are

990
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: like TCU deserves to be recognized more than Indiana does,

991
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 2: so just being in the wrong place at the wrong time,

992
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: HM also stinks, agree, because it's just random. Like I

993
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: feel like it's just like random, Like Rutgers was random

994
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: enough to be asked to join the Big Ten and

995
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: now they get to be at the party despite the

996
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: fact that they've had no buy into the program that's

997
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: allowed them to be worthy of that seat. I think

998
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: the whole thing is just one big misfire that we

999
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: might end up regretting and fire.

1000
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: And it keeps being stacked upon right that we just

1001
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: we're adding teams to the playoffs, we're adding teams to conferences,

1002
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: We're increasing everything for what's probably just going to be

1003
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: a short to medium term explosion while everything else kind

1004
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: of craters around the sports.

1005
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Utah does it get to be a

1006
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: part of.

1007
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: This, right, Yeah, it doesn't reward I think about all

1008
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: the Yeah, it doesn't really like a Big ten or

1009
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: Big twelve or SEC or you know, conglomeration of conferences

1010
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: is objectively better if Utah's involved, And yet they're not

1011
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: in that discussion.

1012
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: So my hope and I had a dream about this.

1013
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: I don't know why I did. Yeah, I should be

1014
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: dreaming about other things. But my hope would be to

1015
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: get like West Virginia and Baylor and TCU and Clemson

1016
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: in Florida State and Oregon and Washington to build a

1017
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: third super conference so that everybody's included, so that the

1018
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: bottom half of the third super Conference would have some

1019
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: of the Power five teams that are being left out

1020
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: right now, like canceling out the Indianas and the Vanderbilt

1021
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: so that though I don't I don't want Clemson in

1022
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: Florida State and Miami in Washington and Oregon to join

1023
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 2: those two conferences, I want the remaining brands, notre Dame even.

1024
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: But that just sort of steers into the same idea though,

1025
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: because then you're just constructing a conference with a bunch

1026
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: of teams that have no shared history, that there's no

1027
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: scar tissue, and you're just no, But it.

1028
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: Would be the only way that you could save them

1029
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 2: from being left behind completely.

1030
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: I just think they're going to be saying up.

1031
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: I just I feel like I'm afraid that we're going

1032
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 2: to get to a day where a Baylor fan doesn't

1033
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: see the point of watching his favorite team play anymore

1034
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: because they are no longer involved in the system. And

1035
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: Baylor's a hell of a place with a lot of fans,

1036
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: and they have a really good football team. Sure beat

1037
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: the hell out of a lot of the teams that

1038
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: are already at the table right now.

1039
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: But I think to your previous point, I think a

1040
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: Baylor fan is always going to tune in to watch

1041
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: them beat the hell out of TCU. That I think

1042
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: we conflate fandom with the playoff and playoff hopes, probably

1043
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: too much, when for the entire history of the sport,

1044
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: it's always been about beating your rivals and is winning

1045
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: as many games in your conference as possible, And only

1046
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: the last few years has the attention for three percent

1047
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: of the schools eight percent of the schools turn to

1048
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: how do we make the playoff and how do we

1049
00:50:59,040 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: win thirteen games.

1050
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: Whatever. Well, it's like funny because that example of Baylor

1051
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: and TCU, which goes back to the rivalry question, like

1052
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: two teams that have legitimately competed for the national champions

1053
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: sure in the last ten years, multiple times and in

1054
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: multiple seasons. Yeah, so it's like, yeah, okay, that's fine.

1055
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: But if I were a Baylor fan and somebody said

1056
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: you're no longer in the system or you're no longer

1057
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: a part of the seating arrangement that leads into or

1058
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: funnels into that, that would be awful. I would still

1059
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: watch my team play TCU. Sure, I also would be

1060
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: completely and utterly devastated by the fact that my team

1061
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: wasn't worthy because of happenstance to be involved in that

1062
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: system at all, especially considering the fact they've already proven

1063
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: multiple times to be worthy of that distinction.

1064
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: I think it depends on the schedule, It depends on

1065
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: who Baylor would be playing. That If you have the

1066
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to still watch Baylor play Oklahoma State and Iowa

1067
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: State and Texas TACK and TCU and all those things,

1068
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: and then you get to get together with friends and

1069
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: you Tailgator, you have watch parties. I think there's still

1070
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: something culturally relevant. I think it will bump people out,

1071
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: but I also think Baylor fans look forward to Baylor

1072
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: football all year long, and well, the.

1073
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 2: Good news is that there's always going to be a football.

1074
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: Game, right. So yeah, I don't know.

1075
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: But maybe I'm just a fad. I don't know. I'm

1076
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,479
Speaker 2: just I get nervous because I'm not one of Like Listen,

1077
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: i moved across the country multiple times in my life.

1078
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: I've taken a chance on a girl. I've done things

1079
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: outside of the box. I don't feel like I am

1080
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: one that is afraid of change. Sure, but I am

1081
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: queasy with how much they're tinkering with our sport.

1082
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: Well, the problem is, and this is the discussion you

1083
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: can always have with the sport. The problem is, I

1084
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 1: think college football is getting away from the main thing.

1085
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: And the main thing is that we have this exceptionally

1086
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: regional sport that comes together in terrific ways, be it

1087
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: in the non conference you know, September portion of the schedule,

1088
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: or bowl time, or however we find a national champion.

1089
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: But at its heart, it's this great sport with a

1090
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: number of fiefdoms around the country and you built up all.

1091
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: This is the term we use on the show Scar

1092
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: tissue that like, if you ask an Oregon fan about

1093
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: the history of Oregon playing Washington State or Arizona, they'll

1094
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: start groaning about everything that went wrong or beaming about

1095
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: all of the great moments. And so then if you

1096
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: make it all, if you take that away, and you'll

1097
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: get it within the SEC and the Big Ten still,

1098
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: but if you take that away from the ACC and

1099
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: the AEC has had a number of changes, of course,

1100
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: but if all of a sudden, you know, Miami and

1101
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: Virginia aren't playing, or Florida State and Virginia Tech or

1102
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: all those things, and those are still pretty recent additions

1103
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: to that specific conference, I think in the grand scheme

1104
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: of things, then you lose a lot of what I

1105
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: think is the main part of the double helix. The

1106
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: DNA of college football fandom.

1107
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: Listening to this awesome podcast called The Solid Verbal Sure.

1108
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: Once ago, I don't know, a few weeks ago, I

1109
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: was in LA You're a Stomping Grounds, Okay, and there

1110
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: was a question I think it was a mailbag episode

1111
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 2: or something, and somebody asked if you could hit pause

1112
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: at end time during expansion and keep it that way?

1113
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: Do you remember that question? And I like both of

1114
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: your answers, But I don't know what year would be.

1115
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: But you want to know when I would pause it?

1116
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 2: When when it stopped becoming when geography stopped becoming important

1117
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: to where you're located, like to your conference. And I

1118
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: don't know what year that was. I don't know when

1119
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: you would when you maybe and maybe it's this recent

1120
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: as twenty twenty, but I uh. I love that the

1121
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: Big ten is the Midwest.

1122
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: Sure.

1123
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 2: I love that the SEC is the South. I love

1124
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: that the Big twelve is Texas and in the middle

1125
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: of the country there. And I love that the PAC

1126
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: twelve is West Coast, and I love that there is

1127
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: a sense of underlying pride that if your team stinks,

1128
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: that at least the team on the West Coast that

1129
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: goes off to do well is representing you and where

1130
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: you're from, who you are, And that to me is

1131
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: the biggest shame of all of it. And you know,

1132
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: I'm very hyper focused on the national champion. Yeah, and

1133
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: I always have been very you know, stars matter or

1134
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: play all focused. You know, expansion is for cowards, the

1135
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: five or four best teams to get in, like I.

1136
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that the expansion of the playoff

1137
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: is and it's kind of a political buzzword, but I

1138
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: think it's participation trophy issue to me. That to me,

1139
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: these are all opinions that I have.

1140
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: Well, But is this also just part of getting older

1141
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: that you want everything to be the way it was

1142
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: when you specifically experienced it.

1143
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: I guess that, and that might be true because that's

1144
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: how I am with movies and music. They don't make

1145
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: good movies anymore, and all my my hip hop music

1146
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: that I used to love listening to doesn't get make it.

1147
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: You don't like triplet? You don't like triplet hip hop?

1148
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: Okay, what's that? What kind of happen?

1149
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: Isn't it? Triplet isn't that's the like the the rhyming

1150
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: scheme or the lyrical scheme.

1151
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: But I think they have catchy songs that come out

1152
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: from time to time. But I think that the the

1153
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: category that I loved doesn't exist anymore. And that's just

1154
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: like my dad.

1155
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: It's the same forever.

1156
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: The music that we use to listen to are the

1157
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: oldies now, which is s yeah, but also two but.

1158
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: The college football you like is now the oldies will.

1159
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: Was twenty fourteen the oldies. I love the fourteen playoff.

1160
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: I think it's the best thing that's ever happened to

1161
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: the sport. And I know that people hate it because

1162
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: it has emphasized the national champion more and de valued

1163
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: the bowls system. And like, I just never really cared

1164
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: about the bulls because I always viewed them as exhibitions

1165
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: even when before this happened. Sure, so like when they

1166
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: when they created a system where there is something to

1167
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: talk about every Tuesday night, but that's that's the.

1168
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: Hyper focus on the national championship, which.

1169
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like there's that, it's like that thing's a

1170
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: big deal, and then you finally get the games that

1171
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: you otherwise can only get once a year twice as much,

1172
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: or the conference championships that lead into that. Like, I

1173
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: think that the culmination of that is beautiful. And I

1174
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: like the fact that the Pac twelve, when they made

1175
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 2: it with Washington, you had a team that was stumping

1176
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: for the West Coast. I like, when the SEC makes it,

1177
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: you have a team for the South in the Big ten,

1178
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: the Midwest and the East, and like that is gone

1179
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: and that that wasn't the childhood that I grew up

1180
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: with I grew up with Rose Bowl was the king,

1181
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like Rose Bowl was the

1182
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: ultimate you know, battle reward. So I don't know if

1183
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: that's what I'm experiencing. I just think that there's been

1184
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: more change in college football in the last three years

1185
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: than in the previous fifty combined. It's like, wonder we

1186
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: when's enough enough?

1187
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think so, Like you know, I'm trying to

1188
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: figure out if it's a feature or a bug, how

1189
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: difficult it is to explain to people how this sport works.

1190
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: And you can do this for any sport. And I've

1191
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: talked about this on the show before that like is

1192
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: it cool that college football is difficult to understand? And

1193
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: you can say the same thing about Major League Baseball,

1194
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: about the NBA, about you know, the transfer rules in

1195
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: the Premier League or F one. You can say that

1196
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: that's just there's there's very specific elements that are not

1197
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: obvious on its face, on their faces whatever. That I

1198
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: still think maybe it's just because this is the sport

1199
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: I cover. I think the barrier to intellectual entry for

1200
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: college football is so high that you have to understand

1201
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: how recruiting works, you have to understand how transfers work.

1202
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: You have to understand how collectives work. You have to

1203
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: understand how bowls in the postseason works. You have to

1204
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: understand that a twelve team playoffs.

1205
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: To be a very dedicated fan, you do well. You

1206
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: just be as a large portion of fans. You're just

1207
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: like showing up on Saturday in the fall.

1208
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: Totally.

1209
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: We have out there.

1210
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: If you want to understand college football, it takes a

1211
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: lot to understand the calendar, to understand recruiting, to understand

1212
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: all of these things. Why coaches move around like they

1213
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: do well, why players move around like they do. You

1214
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: know how the TV element influences everything that there is.

1215
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: And maybe it's because players change every year. And you

1216
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: watch an NBA game and it just guys are around

1217
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: for a long time. You watch a baseball you know,

1218
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: Adam Wainwright is still pitching for I think the Card.

1219
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: He's forty three years old or something. He's been a

1220
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball theyer for twenty years.

1221
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: I know your points true because my wife, so you know,

1222
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: loving person.

1223
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you try to talk to her about this

1224
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: sport and she asks.

1225
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: You about college football to show interest in my work.

1226
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't care. She has no appetite whatsoever for college football.

1227
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: But she'll be like, you know, what story are you

1228
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: working on? Tell me about your day to day It

1229
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: is impossible. Like she's in commercial real estate, she can

1230
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: explain stuff to me, Like, I feel like it's easier

1231
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: for her to explain commercial real estate to me than

1232
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: it is to explain to her why I'm talking to

1233
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: a ten year old father on the phone at Tuesday

1234
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: at eleven pm, or why I'm on a conference call

1235
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: because of a television show that's on Tuesday when the

1236
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: games are on Saturday. Like, there is so much that

1237
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: is just like she doesn't understand how the playoff committee works,

1238
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: and she tries hard to, you know, and she'll ask

1239
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: like questions like well didn't they beat them? Yeah, be

1240
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: like yes, and then you have to explain that. You know,

1241
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: it's hard. You know, you're right, and it's trying to

1242
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: explain it to a person that wants to get it

1243
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: but has no background in it is impossible.

1244
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's Uh, it's always been the struggle with

1245
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: the sport, I'm sure, but at least before it was

1246
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: like you win your conference, you end up in this game,

1247
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: right that this game invites this champion and invites this

1248
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: champion and you know every other year, you know, like

1249
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: they go back and forth who's hosting this home game

1250
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: and a rivalry whatever. And now it's just like, wait,

1251
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: so Georgia and Texas A and M have they ever

1252
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: played each other in the same conference? Have they played once?

1253
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: In like eleven years something like that? And it's like,

1254
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: how does that scheduling work? Well, it's pretty random, Like

1255
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: what yeah, yeah, it's so there's just I guess that

1256
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: that can be considered I always forget the name of

1257
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: the term, but you know that you're concern trolling or

1258
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: something like that, like trying to stir up an argument

1259
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: for the stake of an argument. But like, I don't

1260
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: feel like I ever fully understand the sport because it

1261
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: just changes every week. And just like when I ask

1262
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: you about Tennessee, like, can Tennessee went a playoff game

1263
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: in the next three years?

1264
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: We're still in when it's right right, and you don't

1265
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: have to switch that in the snap of a finger

1266
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: next year, and then no one's gonna even know how

1267
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: it goes.

1268
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: You're going to think about a North Carolina cornerback who

1269
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, that kid was a five star kid,

1270
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna, you know, before the first North

1271
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: Carolina game, look at a depth chart and be like, oh,

1272
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: I think that dude plays for what's what's his name?

1273
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: It was a five star North Carolina quarterback. I think

1274
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: he went to A and M. Now you're like, oh, right,

1275
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: he's at A and M and he he left for

1276
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: A and M seven months ago.

1277
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: Because it also take like I do this for both

1278
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: of us, you know, forty hours a week, right, more

1279
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: than that, I can't keep up with everything.

1280
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you do this professionally. Yeah.

1281
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: It's like like I did a story last week, a

1282
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 2: recruiting bill big board where I put the ten most

1283
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: interesting uncommitted uncommitted prospects in this cycle, and I like

1284
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 2: wrote two hundred words about every one of them, and

1285
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: then we publish it the next day and there were

1286
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: like four errors in it because so much stuff happened

1287
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: in the twelve hour period since I finished it to

1288
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: when it went up. And it's like, I can't keep

1289
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: up on when this kid cancels, what visit? Or you know,

1290
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: who's going where? Or oh he's not going to USC anymore?

1291
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: Now he likes Michigan, Like it's it's hard and like

1292
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. And that's another reason why it's so

1293
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 2: perfectly regional, because even now, like just being a Big

1294
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: ten fan, you have to be in the LA time zone.

1295
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 2: Now you know, like what about all the Los Alamitos kids,

1296
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: and how does it impact your your conference and your

1297
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: team and your rival? Like it is impossible. And it's

1298
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: like if you gave me a quiz right now of

1299
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: what team is this person on, I don't know if

1300
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: I'd be able to pass it.

1301
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes yeah, same, That's all I do. This is all

1302
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: I do.

1303
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: So what do you do? Dan? Do you like to

1304
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 2: study like you're studying for an exam going into a year?

1305
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: Like do you like read an athlon or a phil

1306
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: steel and try to like memorize stuff.

1307
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: Athlon is right next to my toilet about twelve feet

1308
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: from here, so that gets a good amount of use.

1309
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: I go to the same two or three websites every

1310
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: morning just to make sure I haven't missed anything. I'll

1311
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: look at I'll look at the Athletic. I'll look at it.

1312
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: I'll look at the Athletic just because it's a pretty

1313
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: thorough site. I will look at the reddit subreddit, the

1314
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: college football subreddit. I will look at ESPN for headlines

1315
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: like before shows and stuff too. I'll go to ESPN

1316
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: and CBS as well to just look at what if

1317
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: there's anything newsy that we need to discuss before the

1318
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: show starts that had somehow escaped my brain. But yeah,

1319
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: it's an ongoing process of you know, sometimes I'll just

1320
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: be showering and be like is he still playing fancy State?

1321
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: And I'll just go to our lads or whatever one

1322
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: of the depth chart sites, or you know, I'll just

1323
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: google somebody's name like we were doing.

1324
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: Leary does not play for NC State anymore. That's a

1325
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: big one.

1326
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Brennan Armstrong. Now I think it's just like

1327
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: this rotat didn't know that. Yeah, Brennan Armstrong previously in

1328
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: Virginia is a state follows his old coordinator, I want

1329
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: to say, And like that's not Robert and.

1330
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: And that's like not an insignificant thing to.

1331
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: Know, like not Robert that is the current offensive coordinator

1332
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: at NC State. Yeah, yeah, an a yeah, And so

1333
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where I'll just think about

1334
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: something randomly, Like we did a show where I just

1335
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: casually mentioned Parker Washington coming back for Penn State, and

1336
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: I was like, nope, I gotta edit that out. He's

1337
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: not there anymore. I was like, wasn't he just a

1338
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: sophomore red shirt sophomore so he went to the NFL.

1339
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: I forgot that.

1340
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1341
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, just one of.

1342
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: Those things, you know. I once July hits, when we're

1343
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: like five days out, I go into like study mode

1344
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: where I I do my best, like I but even.

1345
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: The magazines are terrible because if they're out of date

1346
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: with transfers, that's right, Yeah.

1347
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: But I go, Yeah, we used to do a state

1348
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: of the program at the athletic every year. We're not

1349
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: doing that this year, which was a nice tool. But

1350
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: a lot I use that. Yeah, yeah, so it's hard

1351
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: and maybe the video game will help that when when

1352
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: the video game comes out. I used to help, Like

1353
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: if you if they have the automatic updated rosters of

1354
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: somebody transfers and you play the game a lot and

1355
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: you're playing, you know, it's a good way to memorize.

1356
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well I'm playing Virginia Tech this week. Well

1357
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 2: that running back's really good. What's his name? And then

1358
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 2: you're like you remember, you know, you know, just based

1359
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 2: on your entertainment, but I also want the video game.

1360
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: Like I used to play it ten hours a week,

1361
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: and like I like think in my head that I'm

1362
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: going to right and like there's probably a pretty like

1363
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: now that my life is much different than it used

1364
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: to be, uh likelihood that I'm not going to play

1365
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: it that much at all. Right, I've had PS five

1366
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: for two years that has not been plugged in for

1367
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: two years.

1368
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. That's that's fatherhood.

1369
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: I don't know for some people. I guess I hope

1370
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: I can play that. I love that game.

1371
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: I do too. Yeah, It's it's just one of those things.

1372
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: But you are just going to have to use Google

1373
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: dot com. And look, if this is a professional problem

1374
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: that Ari and I have, that's a great professional problem, right.

1375
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: We haven't thrown out our back doing manual labor and

1376
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: working eighteen hours a day under the.

1377
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: Pite do your research.

1378
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just got to do your research. And it's

1379
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: not the.

1380
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: Only one that gets that complaint though, And it's like

1381
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: that's all we do is research.

1382
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: It's all we do. It's all we do. And then

1383
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: people comment, do your yeah, and there are they're just

1384
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, however, many Power five teams, however, many g

1385
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: five teams, one hundred and thirty whatever overall. And honestly,

1386
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: the tool that I use before doing shows is like

1387
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: ty and I did a show. Can these eight win programs?

1388
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: Or can these teams ascend to become consistent eight win programs?

1389
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: And can these ten win programs? And as I'm looking

1390
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: at names and you know the guys who put up

1391
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: the best numbers last year and rewatching film of these

1392
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: specific guys, I have to use Google News and search

1393
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: their name and it says, oh, he's very pleased with

1394
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: the steps he took forward in spring, Like great, he's

1395
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: still there. He didn't transfer to a bigger place, he

1396
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: didn't go pro he Like, I need that Google News

1397
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: to confirm to me that there's like an Espianation blog

1398
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: post talking about him, Like thank god somebody mentioned him

1399
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,959
Speaker 1: in the last month, to let me know he's still

1400
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: at that.

1401
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: Spot, still on the team.

1402
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I need. Because I am a

1403
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: dumb dumb as most listeners can attest to this show.

1404
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: Maybe i'd be a good website like.

1405
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: Still there current, right, I mean, that's our lads, but

1406
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: our Lads isn't always updated.

1407
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: I do not trust that place.

1408
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't either I look.

1409
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: At it all the time, but I never I don't

1410
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 2: know who does it.

1411
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: So you know what I do. I look at our

1412
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: lads and then I go to Google News to confirm

1413
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: that those updates are true. So yeah, that's that's I

1414
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: mean again crimea River that this is the job. These

1415
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: are the struggles that I have as a job. But

1416
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: it is tough as again, I mean recruiting. And your

1417
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: wife like to explain to her what edits are, like, oh,

1418
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: he committed to Texas? Like maybe who.

1419
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: My wife will be like, why does anybody care what

1420
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 2: the seventeen year old kids doing?

1421
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1422
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: I was like, if you understood? Yeah, she was, Wait

1423
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: a minute, you're flying across the country to go watch

1424
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 2: fifteen year olds throw footballs. Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

1425
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: That helps it. It's in Redondo Beach, all right, Wasserman,

1426
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we have time for Dunzo.

1427
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: And we've already done this in hour ten. We'll do it,

1428
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: save it for another time.

1429
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: I'll stay with you longer. It's your but it's your

1430
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 2: your deal. Well, so how along do your episodes ever go?

1431
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:31,839
Speaker 2: With the longest I don't.

1432
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,919
Speaker 1: Know, like an hour twenty in the off season. Maybe

1433
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: right now we're at an hour ten. We can go through

1434
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: these quickly, so it's just Donezo. We're not done so right.

1435
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: I know it's shocking Kristan Caplai against Yeah, North Carolina

1436
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: Dunzo or not done So. I only say this because

1437
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: you were very early on the Wisconsin Donzo train. I

1438
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: maybe was against when they got destroyed by Notre Dame

1439
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago.

1440
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone got mad at me.

1441
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: Everybody got mad at you. And I remember anytime you

1442
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: question Paul Christ and Wisconsin people, we are like, why

1443
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: don't we just calm down? It always works out? And

1444
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: then it did.

1445
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, North Carolina man, Dunzo.

1446
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: Don So, I think you're right.

1447
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: I think you're right, which is sad. It's sad because

1448
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 2: I also think receipt hot take Dunzo, you know, collab

1449
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 2: here and I'm gonna duck under the camera snow and season.

1450
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: When I say this, I think, but like, and I'm

1451
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 2: m I'm probably really wrong. Dan. I'm even embarrassed to

1452
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: say it to you, But you're my buddy and I'm

1453
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,839
Speaker 2: gonna do it for your sound. But I may draft

1454
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 2: Drake May before Caleb Williams. If I'm an NFL GM.

1455
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a crazy take.

1456
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. Caleb at the top does everything.

1457
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: I think at the top. Personal preference, well, I.

1458
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 2: Know, but how could somebody not just like open their

1459
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: eyes and watch Caleb play football and be like that's

1460
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,799
Speaker 2: the guy. Like I I know that that sounds crazy,

1461
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: but I think that Drake May is the perfect comb

1462
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 2: I don't know, size, athleticism, ability to run, arm, poise,

1463
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I guess maybe you would take Caleb

1464
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 2: Williams on all those over him, but I just there's

1465
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 2: something about him that makes me think that guy is

1466
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 2: going to be a ten time pro bowler.

1467
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the only case against Caleb Williams is not

1468
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: a case against him specifically, it's he had better receivers

1469
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: he had. I mean it was his second year starting,

1470
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: and it was Drake May's first season starting as a

1471
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: full time quarterback. And so Drake May clearly last year

1472
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: was ahead of where Caleb Williams was as a freshman

1473
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: two years ago, right, Caleb Williams as a freshman, So

1474
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: the progression you could see the ceiling being unknown for

1475
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: Drake May, whereas we're getting closer to knowing what the

1476
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: college ceiling is to Caleb Williams.

1477
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 2: Like I saw there was like a it was like

1478
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 2: nine to one that Drake may would be the first

1479
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 2: pick of next year's draft, and like part of me

1480
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: just wants to like hammer that, right.

1481
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, he was throwing to a Bolitanickugh

1482
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: Award winner, and all due respect to was it last

1483
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: year Josh Downs was very good.

1484
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: Who was like a third or fourth round pick by right.

1485
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: So throwing to Mario Williams throwing to having a good

1486
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: line in front of him. Both teams had garbage defenses,

1487
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: so they were asked to basically shoulder a ton of

1488
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: the workload to get to the win column. But I

1489
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: don't think it's a crazy take. But I think the

1490
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: ceiling of Caleb Williams, because of his improvisational ability and

1491
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: his ability with his feet, that he's closer to being

1492
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: a complete quarter. Yeah.

1493
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: And I you know, I think that I made that

1494
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: point just to make the point that I really believe,

1495
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 2: which is North Carolina's must watch television this fall?

1496
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Yeah, we talked about that.

1497
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1498
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: The only thing standing in the way of North Carolina

1499
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: is North Carolina all right, next Quat, next Dunso or

1500
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: not Donzo Miami Hurricanes you can be very early on

1501
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: though not Donzo on.

1502
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: That's you're probably more qualified than I am on this one.

1503
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: I don't know that while it's trading below thirty cents

1504
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 2: a share now, I think I have no idea. What

1505
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: you know what the missing link is with Mario. You

1506
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: watched it every Saturday for years. Yeah, but I don't

1507
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: think that their team or their roster is nearly where

1508
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 2: it's going to be in here four. So if they're

1509
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 2: in here for and they're still weirdly bad, right then

1510
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: I'll be worried. But like I think it'd be way

1511
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: too soon to give up on Miami.

1512
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I think he thinks

1513
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: he can work Miami into wins, that they can run

1514
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: stares into wins, like I think Mario christ Baul would

1515
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: eat fried eggs with a hammer kind of thing. Like,

1516
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: I think he thinks he can just mash it, you know,

1517
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: whether it's the vision on offense, whether it's the recruiting,

1518
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: which he's always going to be able to recruit. I

1519
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: think that's the problem with Miami that I don't think that.

1520
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 2: His recruiting ability and their nil collective makes it impossible

1521
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 2: to give up on them.

1522
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: In year two, Okay, I think they had a four

1523
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: win seal, a four or five win floor. I just

1524
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: didn't see that coming.

1525
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's new.

1526
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: Next Donzo not Donezozo. Oklahoma State a traditional winner, not

1527
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: on the highest level, but a traditional winner. Nine to

1528
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 1: ten wins. It felt like was almost automatic for the Pokes,

1529
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: and they collapsed last year amid quarterback injury, amid the

1530
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: defense falling off a cliff with Derek Mason.

1531
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny about Oklahoma State as it covered

1532
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 2: the TCU Oklahoma game Oklahoma State game last year in

1533
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: Fort Worth, YEP. And I knew that I was going

1534
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: to write a column after the game one way or

1535
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 2: the other because they were both undefeated. If you remember

1536
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 2: in that game, h that Gundhy is one of the

1537
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 2: most underappreciated assets in coaching in the country. Yeah, and

1538
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: then TCU won, and then obviously those teams went in

1539
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: very different directions. Yes, but that column was like pre

1540
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: written in my brain when I got to the State

1541
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: in that day, because I believe that like if you

1542
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: go look like you said.

1543
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: They were up in that system, right, were they up

1544
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: at the head.

1545
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they blew a big leader. I think. Yeah. They

1546
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 2: were winning by I think twenty one in that game

1547
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: and it went to overtime, and you know, I think

1548
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: the game ended like with a yard short of the goal.

1549
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: I gotta go back. You watched something it was.

1550
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: I think it was came down to field goals. I

1551
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: want to say, yeah, double overtime.

1552
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 2: Multiple overtime game. Yeah, and I didn't write that. Now

1553
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm kind of happy I did. But like, if I

1554
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: truly believe that Gundy is one of the more underappreciated

1555
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 2: coaching properties, Okay, then I don't know, because like, what

1556
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 2: has Dounzo mean? Like they are never going to win

1557
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:43,799
Speaker 2: ten games again.

1558
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: With Mike Gundy? Yeah, essentially, but they're in an easier conference.

1559
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: I suppose I would say not Donzo then.

1560
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: Okay, next one, Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame.

1561
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 2: Not even close to Dunze on them.

1562
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: Okay, why is that?

1563
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: I love? I think Marcus Freeman gets it. I think

1564
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: that you know and done so too. It's like the

1565
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 2: thing that I love about this game is that it's

1566
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 2: very subjective to what team you're talking about, because like

1567
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 2: what has done so mean, like, are they going to

1568
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: make the playoff or get to the final four? Of course,

1569
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: I think Notre Dame is going to be good enough

1570
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: to get to the twelve team playoff and win two

1571
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: games and get to the final four. They've already done

1572
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 2: it in a more difficult system. Okay, they're probably Yeah,

1573
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 2: they did get with Brian Kelly. And obviously these first

1574
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 2: year coaches are or second year coaches are hard to

1575
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: kind of you know, you got to there's a leap

1576
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 2: of faith there, you know, and sometimes you're you're walking

1577
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 2: into plank instead of you know, taking that right leap.

1578
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 2: But I think that Notre Dame is more competitive and

1579
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 2: highly sought after living rooms for these recruits than they were.

1580
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't think that Brian Kelly was obsessed with recruiting

1581
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 2: the way that you need to be to win a championship,

1582
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 2: which is why I was kind of down on him

1583
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: with LSU because I feel like you have to be

1584
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 2: a miniacal recruiter to win at LSU and to beat

1585
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 2: Alabama and Georgia. It turns out I might be wrong

1586
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 2: on that because he's won everywhere well else.

1587
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: Recruiting to Notre Dame is a little bit different than

1588
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: recruiting ALIS.

1589
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 2: It is. Well, it's also like there are certain you know,

1590
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: academic and cultural requirements that you have to fit to

1591
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 2: get those guys there or LSU that doesn't exist, And

1592
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 2: I think he probably went to LSU because it's the

1593
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 2: place that can win a national championship with with way

1594
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 2: less's that's an easier path or less passive right to resistance,

1595
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 2: unless you think Alabama and Georgia are more resistance than

1596
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: getting a kid into a Catholic school with high academic standards.

1597
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,919
Speaker 1: In Indiana, it's more difficult to sell a kid, especially

1598
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: from the south of the West Coast or wherever, to

1599
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: come to northern Indiana instead of yah, LSU or Florida

1600
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: or wherever.

1601
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 2: But two way too early to not think that they

1602
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 2: could at least win ten games or eleven games, make

1603
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: the playoff, and get to the final four again, especially

1604
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 2: if they're lucky enough to manage a path to that

1605
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: final four that doesn't consist of playing one of the

1606
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: super teams, which I think will probably unveil itself the

1607
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 2: way did for TCU this year.

1608
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: So the only thing that gives me pause in terms

1609
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: of the ruthless nature potentially ruthless nature of Marcus Freeman

1610
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: in Notre Dame is Tommy Ris leaves for Alabama, which

1611
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:20,839
Speaker 1: is whatever, and Notre Dame premiere program, national program recruits everywhere,

1612
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: has a reputation for playing in big games.

1613
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:22,799
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1614
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,799
Speaker 1: They bring in a number of sitting offensive coordinators, quality

1615
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators, they come to South Bend, they interview, and

1616
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: then Notre Dame hires internally. Now it could be that

1617
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman feels so good about was girod Parker Jared,

1618
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't know Drod Parker that he was comparing everybody

1619
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: against the internal candidate that he wanted to hire from

1620
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: the onset. But I also worry that teams in similar situations,

1621
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: and I know Georgia hired internally and a former guy

1622
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: in Mike Bobo generally find the best possible guy. And

1623
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: it's a wide national net. If you're a national program,

1624
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: we need to bring in. You know, it's Alabama has

1625
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, Kiffin and Sarka's analysts, and the schools that

1626
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: Notre Dame compares itself against, you know, sort of throw

1627
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 1: that that wide net. And Ohio State hired internally as

1628
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: well this year. But you know, initially at the audience.

1629
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: Hire internally for years. When I think you make a

1630
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: case as part of the reason why they don't.

1631
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,799
Speaker 1: That could be right, Brian Hartlin's never fully called an offense,

1632
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: so and I guess probably isn't fully calling an offense

1633
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: this fall.

1634
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think that's the case. But even

1635
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 2: with the quarterback coach, you know, there's been a lot

1636
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: of internal hires, right and reorganizations on that staff.

1637
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: So that's that's the thing that gives me a little

1638
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 1: bit of pause that they interviewed bigger national coordinators uh

1639
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: and went internal that there may have been trepidation from

1640
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: those candidates. So like, I don't know if this is

1641
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: But when you say.

1642
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 2: Dun though, yeah, it's pretty pretty you want to talk

1643
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 2: about Ari you.

1644
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: Know I'm asking the question. I don't know.

1645
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, Oh, I mean I know that I'm

1646
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 2: hyperbolic and I jump to step nine from step one

1647
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, but you think I'm gonna have

1648
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: the gall to come on the solid verbal with Tye

1649
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 2: not here and tell them that his squad has done

1650
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,799
Speaker 2: So what do you think I'm socially illiterate?

1651
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: What is the recruiting ocean as you like to say,

1652
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: between Marshall and Notre Dame. Yeah, no, listen, listen or

1653
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: even call in Notre Dame because cal was right there

1654
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: and the reason is.

1655
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 2: So hard for me. Yeah, Like, is that upsets happen?

1656
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 2: I know, of course, Hey, they happen all the time,

1657
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: but they usually happen when a team has their heads

1658
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:37,879
Speaker 2: up their ass. Can I say that on the soliday

1659
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: of course, or they're they're walking through the September schedule

1660
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: looking around, not taking an opponent seriously, or they're playing

1661
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 2: like you know, those games where you can tell in

1662
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 2: the first quarter this team just doesn't have it today. Sure,

1663
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 2: you know they rarely happen in rivalry games, in playoff

1664
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: games because teams go into those games lockdown, knowing what's

1665
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 2: at stake, locked in, ready to play their best football,

1666
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 2: in motivated properly. So comparing the recruiting ocean of Michigan

1667
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,799
Speaker 2: and Ohio State is so much different than recruiting oceans

1668
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,879
Speaker 2: between any of the other upsets that happen, Like, they

1669
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 2: don't happen usually that way. I understood that is, but

1670
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 2: I am. I think at some point in this offseason,

1671
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to look up the entire blue chip ratio

1672
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 2: between those two schools, and like, actually, like add up

1673
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: how many top one hundred players is this? What happened this?

1674
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 2: And how many top two hundred players, and then I

1675
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 2: think it'll be more mathematically reasonable to I think you'll

1676
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 2: think what I think. I think I could change your mind.

1677
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm I think your point is a good one. I

1678
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: just watched that game and the manner in which they

1679
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: lost to Marshall. Oh yeah, I mean, do you think

1680
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: it distracted Ohio State lose to Marshall?

1681
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: No, but Notre Dame Dunzo or being done so or

1682
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 2: not done so doesn't mean that they're living to that

1683
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 2: standard either. That's where we're doing it against Notre Dames.

1684
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm presenting a data point that is a

1685
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: little bit true.

1686
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 2: Do you think that Notre Dame will recruit better and

1687
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 2: a year four of the Marcus Freeman era than they

1688
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: did during the best year cycle of the Brian Kelly era.

1689
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't. I don't have the rankings in front

1690
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 1: of me. I don't know what that the height of

1691
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly was.

1692
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 2: I do I think that in year four, if they're

1693
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 2: not recruiting infinitely better than Brian Kelly, then he's not

1694
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 2: the right coach.

1695
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: Okay, but I am not.

1696
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 2: Gonna I'm still gonna suspend judgment on what he did

1697
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: last year in the same way that we are talking

1698
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: about the Florida build earlier, which is you know, billion

1699
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 2: Apier that was another podcast. I'm sorry, but Billion Apier

1700
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 2: can go six and six, but if he signs a

1701
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 2: class of ten top one hundred players in it, then

1702
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 2: that is more valuable to billion Apier than what happens

1703
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 2: on the fields. I think we're in that currently where

1704
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: we are. That might not be true a year from now, right,

1705
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 2: but it's true now. I still think that we are

1706
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 2: in that era for Notre Dame.

1707
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: I like the aggression getting Sam Hartman. I like that aggression. Yeah,

1708
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: that's a good sign.

1709
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: They go, they go six and six again, lose to

1710
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 2: a weird team again, and they sign another class that's

1711
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 2: kind of you know, loses its five star talent the

1712
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 2: way that Notre Dames class did a year ago. I

1713
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: might be more willing to say Dunzo or ring the

1714
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: alarm bells a year from now, but I think that

1715
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 2: I want to be for as reactionary of a human

1716
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: being as I am. I like to pride myself on

1717
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 2: not being so reactionary when I pool the firing Donze

1718
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 2: ripcord on coaches.

1719
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 1: To be clear, that's what the word reactionary means. What

1720
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 1: do you mean The word reactionary means you want to

1721
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: go back to a more conservative time in history.

1722
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 2: I just mean that, like I I know what is?

1723
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: What is?

1724
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Speaker 2: What's the proper word for that? Then emotional impulsivels Yeah, okay,

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01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: maybe I'm more impulsive. You know. By the way, I

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01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 2: couldn't pass a high school English and I'm a sports

1727
01:22:58,960 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 2: writer for a living.

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Speaker 1: I just remember finding that out randomly and then noticing

1729
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: people using it in a different way, and I was like,

1730
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: that's not reactionary.

1731
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: Well I've never heard you anyone ever read a person

1732
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: opposing political reactionary of a person or set of views

1733
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 2: opposing political or social liberalization or reform. Yeah, wow, that's

1734
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 2: not what that word means.

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01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: No, I just came across it randomly. This is not

1736
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Speaker 1: me saying I have a huge vocabulary.

1737
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: Thought I thought you were being a vocap snop.

1738
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: No, I don't have a huge but I just at

1739
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: some point reading something said somebody wants to somebody is

1740
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: acting as like the most reactionary candidate of the group

1741
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: or something like that. I was like, OK, and I

1742
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: looked it up and there.

1743
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 2: Was Okay, yeah, that's good to know. Maybe I'll stop

1744
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 2: saying that. Maybe I won't, because I think the entire

1745
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 2: point of communication is just you know what I meant? Right?

1746
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, sometimes the word makes sense, you know. Sometimes

1747
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: people use words incorrectly so often that Merriam Webster is

1748
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: just like, fine, whatever, that's what it means.

1749
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, I give in. It's like Chuck Culpeper is

1750
01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: one of the greatest writers I've ever read of mine

1751
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 2: higher life. He doesn't use the right words all the

1752
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 2: time on purpose, and it's art.

1753
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: The other one. I always forget this non plussed used

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01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 1: to forever mean something completely different. Then people use nonplus

1755
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 1: they like, I'm not impressed. I'm non plussed. It's it's

1756
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: being surprised and not knowing how to react is nonplussed.

1757
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,440
Speaker 1: It's not being unimpressed.

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01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever used that word in my

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01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 2: entire life in any content.

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Speaker 1: That was the other one. But yes, continue, Sorry, what

1761
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: was I saying though?

1762
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Speaker 2: Oh? But with coaching, with not being reactionary to coaches, right,

1763
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 2: because I do think that if you pull the cord

1764
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 2: too quickly, you might have the wrong Like, it takes time.

1765
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: I totally agree it, it takes like Dado Sweeney, if

1766
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 2: he were hired in twenty nineteen and had the same

1767
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 2: first four seasons that he had at Clump, what might

1768
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: have been fired? M hm sure, think about that. And

1769
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 2: then he's the only coach that turned a good team

1770
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Speaker 2: into a monster. In the entire modern era of college football.

1771
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 2: No one's even come close to doing what he's done,

1772
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 2: and he would have been fired. So it's like part

1773
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 2: of me hates these ten year all guaranteed contracts, right,

1774
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,799
Speaker 2: but I also love them because it forces patients.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and I just want to I just want

1776
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: to give you an opportunity to be early, right that

1777
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Speaker 1: I can in three years, and if it's not in

1778
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: this case, it's not in this case.

1779
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Speaker 2: Also, the Paul christ one was early based on what

1780
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: everybody else did, but it was late in his tenure.

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Speaker 1: It was late in his tenure.

1782
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't mean you'll have to. You'd have

1783
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: a hard time finding me being like, get this guy

1784
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Speaker 2: out of here in year one or two, right like that.

1785
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 2: That doesn't But when Dan Mullen gets on to the

1786
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,560
Speaker 2: microphone and says comments about recruiting that mattering until the

1787
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: point right now, get that guy out of here. Yeah,

1788
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 2: like I can, I can. I can totally tell when

1789
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: it's the time, you know. But the year two on

1790
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 2: A you know, everybody was so high on him too.

1791
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: It's like, Donze, no, not for me.

1792
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: I always just offer you the platform and opportunity. The

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01:25:52,880 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: last one is the PAC twelve. Donzo, Yeah, okay, Diza,

1794
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 1: it's a shame. It's an easy case to make.

1795
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 2: I want to know what you think. Has it Doneze?

1796
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:08,879
Speaker 1: Likely? Yeah?

1797
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 2: I think the organ's Donzo or Washington is Now they'll.

1798
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: I assume make their way to the Big ten at

1799
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: some point, and they'll figure out ways to convince all

1800
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Speaker 1: the presidents and figure out some sort of deal, whether

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01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, next year or twenty twenty eight, whatever

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01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: it is. I just you're gonna you're going to ask

1803
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: people to tune into a conference without LA schools and

1804
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: then adding San Diego State, maybe SMU or something like that.

1805
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: I just think it's going to be picked apart. And

1806
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Big twelve is going to

1807
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: do with regards to Colorado or Arizona whatever.

1808
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 2: I know there's there's certain things that tie those two together.

1809
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 2: But if it could have kept one LA school, maybe yeah.

1810
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: And originally, I you know, you hear all sorts of

1811
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: stories about who was going to go and who wasn't

1812
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: going to go and how things change, and I don't

1813
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: think you see was in that initially and that you

1814
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,560
Speaker 1: know there was maybe notre Dame being involved in certain conversations.

1815
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: But that's a really tough thing to do when the uh,

1816
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: the center of the West Coast is not involved with

1817
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: the West Coast Football Conference. So Dan, Yeah, reactive, reactive,

1818
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: there's the word in the comments, Yes, and reacting there

1819
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny erin because from now on, like

1821
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 2: as I do podcasts into the future, I'll never make

1822
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 2: that mistake again, and I'll say it correctly now and

1823
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 2: it'll be because of.

1824
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: You and you can pass it forward next time you're

1825
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: at one of your fancy dinner.

1826
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 2: Market do it when there's people listening to make them

1827
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,839
Speaker 2: sound like an asshole, or just do it in private effort,

1828
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 2: but yeah, I'll do it. I'll help them out. When

1829
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 2: we're not live on PO we'll.

1830
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: See I'm doing it to help the people listening.

1831
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: Also, yeah, you're always the good guy.

1832
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to spin it that way. I don't know.

1833
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: I think that's a good show. I think we did

1834
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: a good show together.

1835
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: And it's a shame because I wanted to hear the

1836
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 2: life topics.

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01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I'll give you one life question.

1838
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 2: Okay, one quick one, and then I have to go right.

1839
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: It's a two parter.

1840
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 2: Okay.

1841
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 1: The first question with regard to parenting, what do you

1842
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: and your wife argue about the most?

1843
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:17,799
Speaker 2: Okay?

1844
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: And two parter? Who's usually who usually comes out on top.

1845
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: I've never won an argument with my wife about anything ever.

1846
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, first part of the question, where is your

1847
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: biggest difference? In philosophy?

1848
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 2: Always says that you really find out where you are

1849
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 2: in your relationship when you have a kid. Of course,

1850
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 2: because it's very strenuous, right and like you have disagreements

1851
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 2: and stuff. Her and I must be really in love

1852
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 2: or have an easy kid. But we don't really fight

1853
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 2: all that much. As it pertains to that she's two.

1854
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 2: That's I know that we are also coming up on

1855
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 2: an age now that she's almost two, where there's going

1856
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 2: to be more social discussions about where is she eating

1857
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 2: or disciplinary if she throws a fit, how do you

1858
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: react to this? And I feel like those are the

1859
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 2: types of things where we might disagree on more because

1860
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: now it's autopilot. Oh she pooped her pants, we need

1861
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 2: to change her whatever. Like all that stuff I think

1862
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 2: is just kind of like rudimentary, you know, you know,

1863
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 2: cause and effect type stuff. So we haven't had that.

1864
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 2: The one thing that if I could change about her

1865
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 2: parenting style is that anytime anything goes even remotely off course,

1866
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 2: as it pertains to her health or her schedule or

1867
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 2: her diet or her pooping schedule, my wife gets very emotional,

1868
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 2: like nervous. So she has a mosquito bite on her

1869
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 2: leg and there's a huge red circle around it. It

1870
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: looks kind of odd. She is increasingly nervous.

1871
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: Off to Minneapolis.

1872
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:10,679
Speaker 2: We are taking her to doctor appointments at times when

1873
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 2: I don't believe that's necessary. That said, I love that

1874
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 2: about her because she is such an engaged and loving

1875
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 2: mother and only cares that her child is okay. So

1876
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 2: I would never get into a fight with her.

1877
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 1: Well, once you have kids three and four, that won't

1878
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: be a.

1879
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I understand too. It's like you don't

1880
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 2: you get one shot at this, so like you don't

1881
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 2: want to, Like I'd rather take her to a doctor's

1882
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 2: appointment and be like what are you doing here, jack Elison,

1883
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 2: not take her and like wish we did. So She's

1884
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 2: always right on that regard, but I do think that

1885
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,839
Speaker 2: there are times where she gets more emotional about something

1886
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: when it doesn't call for it. But then I'm sure

1887
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 2: she would say I'm too lax all the time when

1888
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 2: I need you be more reactive to the you know,

1889
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 2: good use of react situation. Yeah so yeah, but uh

1890
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 2: so far no marital problems as a result of.

1891
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: The kid's great. That's always a win. I don't have

1892
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: a great answer for this. I think my wife is

1893
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: probably a little bit too permissive where I'm a little

1894
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: bit more of a hard ass. But I've got a

1895
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: four year old and the two year old, both boys

1896
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: who are just like monsters.

1897
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 2: Like the We are at a point right now, Dan,

1898
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 2: where our daughter has bit people in class. Yeah okay,

1899
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 2: and it's been because she has all these words she

1900
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 2: wants to use but she can't talk it and she

1901
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:33,600
Speaker 2: gets frustrated. Yeah okay, and then right after she bites somebody,

1902
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 2: she's like cries because she's guilty about she knows what

1903
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 2: I just did cause this person pain, even though she's

1904
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 2: not like biting really really harsh. It's just like a

1905
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 2: knit But we have to sign forms to daycare because

1906
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 2: they keep track of all this stuff. Huh. Like Britt

1907
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 2: was very concerned about it, and I am not concerned

1908
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 2: about it because everybody that teaches there says this is

1909
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 2: a phase that happens all the time. When she starts talking,

1910
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 2: she'll be able to express her emotions and this will stop.

1911
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: Who's wrong, Like, should I be more concerned about this?

1912
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 2: Should we be doing something like parenting style wise? Because

1913
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: all we can do is say we don't bite, we kiss,

1914
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 2: we don't bite, like you know, all the things. But

1915
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 2: should I be like calling people like, hey, we need

1916
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:17,719
Speaker 2: to like make sure this isn't an issue.

1917
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 1: But you can google it and look for tips about

1918
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: how to speak to a two year old about biting.

1919
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Not the first biter in that class, probably not the

1920
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 1: five thousand.

1921
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's not like breaking skin or anything. It's

1922
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 2: just like, you know, love taps very brief. But we

1923
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 2: also don't want a kid who's going to bite other kids,

1924
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 2: So it's totally that's an example.

1925
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've got a two year old who can't

1926
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: keep his hands off with his wiener. Okay, be careful

1927
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: how you react to that, and he will all day

1928
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: long we say pockets, pockets, dude, and it's been weeks

1929
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: of it, and he eventually will not worried.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

1931
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not super great when it happens at the

1932
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: library and down come the shorts. That's not great. Yeah,

1933
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, you roll with it.

1934
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 2: It's just the journey, man, It's.

1935
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,839
Speaker 1: The journey, all right. On that note, thank you everybody

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Speaker 1: for listening. If you have listened this far, we always

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. And uh Ari Wasserman the Athletic. You can

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Speaker 1: find him on fields at various parts of the country,

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Speaker 1: casinos at various parts of the country, gym's at various

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Speaker 1: parts of the country. Yes, he is now a card

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Speaker 1: carrying member of the Swool Patrol. So Ari Wasserman, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for your time. As always, anywhere else

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Speaker 1: people can find you.

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Speaker 2: The Athletic. And when our podcast feed returns, I'll let

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Speaker 2: you know and then you can give me a plug

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Speaker 2: in a month.

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Speaker 1: I assume it's not gonna be called the Andy Staples

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Speaker 1: Show anymore? Or are you gonna leave it there just

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Speaker 1: for posterity?

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Speaker 2: I think that we I thought it would be funny,

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Speaker 2: and I told Andy this myself when he left, that

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Speaker 2: we should keep it there.

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Speaker 1: You could do it.

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Speaker 2: I thought the show could be the Andy List Staple Show.

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Speaker 1: It could be the Andy List Staples Show, it could

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Speaker 1: be the Andy Staples Show feature ring Ari Wasson Ran

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Speaker 1: and Nicole Auerback and Max Hilson.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 1: Just have a super long title. Or it could just

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Speaker 1: be called Not the Andy Staples Show. And that way

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Speaker 1: you still get Andy's seo while being you remember the

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Speaker 1: dumb Starbucks, remember that the Nathan Felder thing. So you

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Speaker 1: just call it not the Andy Staples Show, you get

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Speaker 1: the Andy Staples seo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. We own his name. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how that works. But yeah, we are

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Speaker 2: still kind of working through what the podcast is going

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Speaker 2: to look like. Yeah, I will be a part of

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Speaker 2: it in a big way. We have a lot of

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Speaker 2: talent at the Athletic that is also going to be

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Speaker 2: a part of it. We're rebranding and you know, we're

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Speaker 2: in our uh our cave, but we will emerge in

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Speaker 2: a few weeks and we will be ready to ride.

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Speaker 2: So until then, stick with the athletic. Yes, and you

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Speaker 2: have a lot of really good college football podcast options,

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Speaker 2: this is one of the best, if not the best.

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Speaker 2: I'm very blessed that you had me on. I'm always

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Speaker 2: appreciative of any airtime that you give me and my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Happy and loyal listener to your show. And I love you.

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Speaker 1: Guys, Love you too. Have a great day everybody, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, make it count. Talk soon.

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Speaker 2: Hyah h