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Speaker 2: And Katie.
Speaker 3: What's the Weirdest Thing You've Ever Eate? I love that
Speaker 3: this podcast always.
Speaker 4: Go back to fucking food.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean my parents used to make us liver steaks.
Speaker 1: Like actually, you would go to the grocery store and
Speaker 1: get you know, liver cut in like a steak, and
Speaker 1: we would eat that like once a month.
Speaker 5: That's really good for you. I feel like that's.
Speaker 4: What she would say. But we'd be like, oh, we
Speaker 4: gotta eat the liver steaks.
Speaker 3: But then I'm giving it to you because you were
Speaker 3: like low on iron or something or was it like
Speaker 3: a Cuban.
Speaker 1: No, I think I think she was thinking more the
Speaker 1: health benefits of it, and again she would give it.
Speaker 1: She would cook that for us about once a month,
Speaker 1: and also she really her and my dad loved it.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny, eventually I grew to like it.
Speaker 1: And she would cook it really well like a steak,
Speaker 1: and then cook a ton of onions and put those
Speaker 1: on top of it, and it was actually really good.
Speaker 1: Now I'm craving a fucking liver steak.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: I don't go out of my way to be like
Speaker 3: super experimental. But like, I was just in Mexico City
Speaker 3: and there were so many crickets, oh yeah, on in
Speaker 3: the specialty drinks and everybody was eating them. And I
Speaker 3: was like, I am not I don't with that.
Speaker 5: I don't really want to do that.
Speaker 3: But I in Japan I had turtle soup and there
Speaker 3: were little squares of turtle, not like endangered turtles, like
Speaker 3: soft shelled turtles or like okay there.
Speaker 5: It was disgusting to me. I did not like it.
Speaker 3: Then we went to Iceland and we had horse and
Speaker 3: we had whale.
Speaker 1: Bitch you talking about I don't really I don't you
Speaker 1: ate whale and horse.
Speaker 3: Like a title like they they ate. Yeah, I've had horse, whale, turtle.
Speaker 3: I did not do guinea pig. I've done not.
Speaker 5: I've not done bugs. What about bison, I've had bison.
Speaker 1: I like bison. I like I've had a bison berger too.
Speaker 1: You know what I've never had, Katie, I've never had venison.
Speaker 1: Have you had venison?
Speaker 5: That's deer?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I jerky, you're a jerky.
Speaker 5: You're a jerky.
Speaker 3: My uncle is a big hunter and he and like
Speaker 3: in a traditional way, like he lives in Buffalo and
Speaker 3: he if he got a deer.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they used that. They used the skin they used.
Speaker 3: So he has a cabin and when he scores a
Speaker 3: big thing like that, it's like they have it all
Speaker 3: cut up. They freeze it all they like salted they
Speaker 3: but anyway, so he had brought like pepperoni that he
Speaker 3: had like made that was venison.
Speaker 4: Like I will.
Speaker 1: Fucking booty bump a venison beef jerky right now. I'm
Speaker 1: so fucking hungry. There was a crew member.
Speaker 5: On Scandal, old Jerky right, who.
Speaker 1: Made jerky and he would bring me bags of it
Speaker 1: and it was so good they to.
Speaker 5: Bring it back to Scandal, buddy right.
Speaker 1: Our crew on Scandal were the fucking tops man like
Speaker 1: top shelf.
Speaker 5: Can't wait to have them on. We need to have
Speaker 5: our crew on. Oh speaking of yes, we do have.
Speaker 3: A guest today and other than gear Moo Diaz, I
Speaker 3: have to say he may be one of my soulmates
Speaker 3: of my life.
Speaker 1: Oh I think he's mine too. I think he's everyone's
Speaker 1: soul mate for that matter, like Adam is loved to be.
Speaker 5: He is our guest today.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck, I just said his name.
Speaker 5: No, it's great.
Speaker 3: You guessed it. Guermo leaked it. It is the one
Speaker 3: and only Adam Shapiro who played Jesse Tyler. Yes, but
Speaker 3: let me tease a little bit about Adam Shapiro. He's
Speaker 3: the biggest This person was the biggest Scandal fan when
Speaker 3: he came on the show. Like, the show was already
Speaker 3: in the midst of season two, so it was a
Speaker 3: big hit, and this special guest was freaking the fuck
Speaker 3: out that they were going to come and be on Scandal.
Speaker 3: He's definitely feels way more comedic and Scandal is a drama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he gets real intense in this episode.
Speaker 3: He does get real. He delivers that he definitely had
Speaker 3: to audition for the role. He definitely was boning a
Speaker 3: series regular on Scandal.
Speaker 4: Show enough.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it sounds good, you guys, this is Adam Shapiro.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is exciting. Finally in the room where it happens.
Speaker 4: Can you believe it? Are you right next to Katie
Speaker 4: in the closet? Are you in a whole other room?
Speaker 6: I am, you know, because of sound or whatever, I'm
Speaker 6: in a whole other room.
Speaker 4: Where are the kids right now?
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 3: It's Esqualo in Luela Laela. They're in Lasquela, which is
Speaker 3: such a blessing. So Adam like, if you want to
Speaker 3: do this podcast right quick and then meet in the
Speaker 3: bedroom for a quickie, we can get it all done.
Speaker 4: Fuck yeah, can I come now.
Speaker 6: As long as as long as it's with that grainy
Speaker 6: ass camera you got filmed in you right now?
Speaker 4: What is that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: My god, there's something.
Speaker 6: There's something about scandal podcasts and just just it out
Speaker 6: in us.
Speaker 3: Talk about food, we talk about we talk about poop,
Speaker 3: and we talk about scandal.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 6: I know, I hear you guys through the closet door
Speaker 6: all the time.
Speaker 4: Mike, you two.
Speaker 1: When I come out from taping, he's like, oh, it
Speaker 1: sounded like a good episode.
Speaker 2: Everything okay.
Speaker 3: Before we get into the specific episode of two twelve,
Speaker 3: Adam Shapiro, we have so many notes on you, so like.
Speaker 5: Don't worry.
Speaker 4: So many notes wow, oh, and we're not going to
Speaker 4: get to most of them. Probably.
Speaker 3: I want to know where were you in your life
Speaker 3: when you booked Jesse.
Speaker 5: Who rigged the election? He helped Talis Doyle rig the election.
Speaker 3: And a real nice fun fact Jesse Tyler in Photos
Speaker 3: season one was somebody completely different.
Speaker 1: That's Watt fun that's right. We're boarding a Jesse Tyler
Speaker 1: and it's not Adam.
Speaker 5: It was not Adam. Adam, where were you in your life?
Speaker 3: I was explaining when we were teasing you that you
Speaker 3: were a huge Scandal fan before you booked the job.
Speaker 3: How did you book the job? Take us through your audition?
Speaker 3: Were you nervous? Tell me all the things?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: I was nervous because a I It's like, I don't.
Speaker 2: Want to this thing's going so well for us.
Speaker 6: You know, Katie's on it, it's helping the household. I
Speaker 6: don't want to get on that show and ruin it.
Speaker 6: But then Linda Lowe called me in for an audition
Speaker 6: for Jesse Tyler. I remember. The only person I remember
Speaker 6: in the waiting room was actually the the young man
Speaker 6: who just announced that he's running for Congress for California,
Speaker 6: Ben Savage. What yeah, Ben's Savage.
Speaker 2: Just announced he's running for Congress.
Speaker 3: Ben Savage Tyler, Ben's Babageway actor.
Speaker 2: No, Ben Savage from Like Boy Meets World Bro?
Speaker 4: Shit?
Speaker 2: What Fred Savage and Ben Savager brothers?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fred Savage and Ben Savager brothers, and also have
Speaker 3: either of them been in horror movies because if they haven't,
Speaker 3: Gearmo does.
Speaker 2: Not know that. No, you don't know that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's ludicrous.
Speaker 4: That's who was in the room.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing him there and I'm like, oh, Ben,
Speaker 2: sama're just gonna get it and I and he probably
Speaker 2: saw me walk in and was like, oh god, this
Speaker 2: guy's married to the to the girl that all the
Speaker 2: scenes with.
Speaker 6: But anyway, so with the audition went well, and Linda
Speaker 6: gave me a bunch of redirects.
Speaker 5: She did yeah.
Speaker 2: Scenes. Do you remember what were the audition scenes?
Speaker 6: I think one of them was the phone call between
Speaker 6: you and me where I'm like, were you call me?
Speaker 6: And you're like, hey, guess I guess who got into
Speaker 6: law school?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I guess who's a lawyer?
Speaker 2: Who's a lawyer?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: Guess who graduated law school?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes?
Speaker 2: And then as the other.
Speaker 3: Phone called the one, You're like so fucking pissed at
Speaker 3: Hollis Doyle like.
Speaker 2: You like yeah, and now, Katie, you know you know
Speaker 2: this about me, But I think my strongest suit as
Speaker 2: an actor is acting like I'm on the phone.
Speaker 4: That is a special skill.
Speaker 3: Fucking Shapiro's phone acting. It's great remarkable. He has done
Speaker 3: one thousand phone commercials where I.
Speaker 6: Have a real I have a whole three minute reel
Speaker 6: of me talking on the phone.
Speaker 3: Ye are you serious, which we have to post when
Speaker 3: this episode comes out to.
Speaker 5: It's I mean that is I'm.
Speaker 3: Really really bad at it, Like I consciously try as
Speaker 3: an actor to like I've I've gone as far as
Speaker 3: to like write the other side of the conversation to
Speaker 3: pretend I'm pausing and hearing what the other person may
Speaker 3: be saying.
Speaker 5: I mean, I really have tried. Can you show us
Speaker 5: right now?
Speaker 2: Well, there's a there's there's a lot of tricks in
Speaker 2: the trade.
Speaker 6: One is where your eyes go when you're on the phone.
Speaker 6: It's just sort of like random.
Speaker 4: Right looking around, sort of whoa. Now the times have
Speaker 4: changed because now we have ear pods, right.
Speaker 2: So we don't write, so you don't even have to when.
Speaker 4: We're acting phone acting. You don't have to even put
Speaker 4: your hand up to your eyes.
Speaker 2: So if you're on the earpod, you could just do
Speaker 2: something like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you still have to look like you're thinking
Speaker 1: about I'm so glad.
Speaker 3: The podcast is hearing what you look like while you're.
Speaker 2: But then but then you have to do things like uh, uh,
Speaker 2: you know you have to like, yeah, try to get
Speaker 2: your yes.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 2: You gotta be like, uh, make.
Speaker 4: That shit real.
Speaker 2: That that's what I'm saying a conversation. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: you A lot of times I use the my next
Speaker 2: line as the line I'm trying to get in. But Kim,
Speaker 2: you know, so it looks it's a nice sort of wow.
Speaker 5: For all you fucking actors listening, this is some real to.
Speaker 1: Get your notebooks out and your number two pences Katy.
Speaker 1: Do you remember, Katie. Whenever we had phone scenes, they
Speaker 1: would call the actor even if we were off that day,
Speaker 1: and we would have to stop what we were doing
Speaker 1: and do the scene with the actor who was on
Speaker 1: set and do the phone scene with them, which I loved.
Speaker 1: And oftentimes if I had a phone scene like that,
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, do you want you know, Katie
Speaker 1: or Carrie or whoever to be on the other line,
Speaker 1: And most of the time and I'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: it's fine. I feel like sometimes I act better on
Speaker 1: the phone when the other person is not there, because
Speaker 1: then I could do all that bullshit, all that crazy
Speaker 1: shit that Adam is talking about, and the other person
Speaker 1: isn't like.
Speaker 4: What the fuck is this person doing? You know what
Speaker 4: I mean? I feel like I'm better.
Speaker 3: Every thing I hate about phone calls is that sometime
Speaker 3: you can tell in movies and TV when they haven't
Speaker 3: been on the phone with each other, because yes, they're
Speaker 3: in two different scenes. Like sometimes I'm like, why this
Speaker 3: person is clearly not reacting proportionately to the conversation that's
Speaker 3: going on, Like one person's flying off the handle and
Speaker 3: one person is like it just feels like they're in
Speaker 3: different worlds.
Speaker 2: It's not easy.
Speaker 6: I had to I had to do a FaceTime call
Speaker 6: on the affair, and I didn't have my actor on
Speaker 6: the other side of the face time.
Speaker 2: That was hard because really had them. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: supposed to be seeing each other.
Speaker 5: Dick, where was that actor?
Speaker 2: No, she wasn't being a dick.
Speaker 1: She was just like technical shit that they just couldn't
Speaker 1: have the other person there, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, they couldn't have it there because they had
Speaker 6: to be recording my phone and.
Speaker 5: They would just suppose it later.
Speaker 6: So I had her other side of the conversation on
Speaker 6: at the video so I could I could go to
Speaker 6: the little video bay and watch her side before I shot.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you've done a lot of FaceTime acting, Adam.
Speaker 1: I just last night I watched a little movie, a
Speaker 1: horror movie called The Den.
Speaker 4: You watched it, Adam, Do you know me at all?
Speaker 1: Motherfucker? I'll searched you on IMDb and I looked for
Speaker 1: those horror movies that you were in.
Speaker 2: First of all, scary movie, right, so freaking scary.
Speaker 1: Mikey left the room. He was like, wow, I can't
Speaker 1: be in the room for this and he left. It's
Speaker 1: very sort of hostile Blair Witch Project, like it's in
Speaker 1: that vein it is. But anyway, Adam, Adam has a
Speaker 1: Most of your scenes are on sort of FaceTime on
Speaker 1: the computer.
Speaker 6: The whole concept of the movie is that everything that's
Speaker 6: recorded and shown in the movie was recorded on a
Speaker 6: computer or a cell phone. So the only real bits
Speaker 6: of footage you get from the characters or when they
Speaker 6: when they're FaceTime at each other.
Speaker 4: On the last night, I said this is the photo
Speaker 4: at G I said.
Speaker 1: Do you recognize who this is? And she was like,
Speaker 1: who the fuck is that?
Speaker 4: That's you?
Speaker 5: Adam, Hermo texts me.
Speaker 3: So the greatest thing about coming on our podcast is
Speaker 3: if you've ever been on a horror film.
Speaker 4: Ever, I will find it.
Speaker 3: Giermo fucking finds it. He doesn't care how small your
Speaker 3: role is. He doesn't care if it's a good, red
Speaker 3: box piece of shit horror film. He will go out
Speaker 3: of his way to bring it up and talk to
Speaker 3: you about it, which is one of my most favorite
Speaker 3: things about on Piecast.
Speaker 6: Well, that's remarkable. I love the den. I love the den.
Speaker 3: He texted me this photo of Adam with a fucking
Speaker 3: plastic bag.
Speaker 4: He's being suffocated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotler.
Speaker 5: Alert spoiler alert. Adam does.
Speaker 6: Because all the camera in that movie are via people's
Speaker 6: computers or cell phones.
Speaker 2: It's like you, only there's a cutting.
Speaker 6: So for that, we actually had to put a plastic
Speaker 6: bag over my face for the amount of time it
Speaker 6: would actually take for somebody to suffocate and die.
Speaker 2: Did you have a safe like Hending, I had a
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 6: And also, the plastic bag looks like it's over my head,
Speaker 6: but it's just in front of my face, so they could.
Speaker 4: They did a really really good job.
Speaker 2: They did a good job.
Speaker 6: What we didn't have on that on that movie was
Speaker 6: an intimacy coordinator, which we could have used for sure,
Speaker 6: because what you didn't see in the final cut, is
Speaker 6: I I had a sex scene that just with that
Speaker 6: real with Melanie. Yes, And they cut it out of
Speaker 6: the movie because the initial audiences thought that.
Speaker 2: Katie, what did you say, Katie? It was too bad?
Speaker 5: It was so bad.
Speaker 2: Wow, it probably was really awkward.
Speaker 6: I basically what happened was, You're supposed to really feel
Speaker 6: for Melanie's character and she cheats on her boyfriend with me,
Speaker 6: and it's just kind of a it's like you're like.
Speaker 5: Oh, what she's They were saying that to be nice.
Speaker 3: Adam is an amazing phone actor, and he's and he is.
Speaker 2: Wh what are you about to say?
Speaker 4: No, Katie, I don't know if I believe that.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: We do this joke all the time, which is Adam
Speaker 3: has played a lot of like best you haven't had
Speaker 3: a ton of sex scenes.
Speaker 2: In your career.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not usually the person fucking in the movie.
Speaker 6: I'm best friends with the guy who's fucking in the movie,
Speaker 6: and then I'm in the next scene where I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, yo, I was last night, give me details, bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so the problem has always been that, like
Speaker 3: I'm the person that has to do that crap. But
Speaker 3: this was the scandal was the best because it was
Speaker 3: giermo Or, it was George Newbern.
Speaker 6: We we got to have a little smoo cherou on Scandal,
Speaker 6: you and me Katie.
Speaker 3: This episode two twelve, didn't we have a little smooch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we had a quick quick smooch when you come
Speaker 6: into the office and you're kind of like a little
Speaker 6: Ellis of the girl I work with, because.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're learning with another bitch in the office.
Speaker 3: Now, wait, we will be back with more after the break, Adam.
Speaker 3: So you get the call, you get redirected by Linda Lowey,
Speaker 3: You're nervous, You're like, I don't want to fuck up Scandal.
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of the show. When do you get
Speaker 3: the call that you book it? And I don't remember
Speaker 3: it at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny because you were just so busy
Speaker 2: and you were working on the show that you weren't
Speaker 2: really involved in a lot of the stuff, Like I
Speaker 2: didn't We didn't really run the lines together. It was
Speaker 2: just kind of really it was fast.
Speaker 6: And as you guys know in scandalland not only are
Speaker 6: the is the dialogue fast, the shooting fast, but like
Speaker 6: the auditions are really fast too, because once Linda Lowey
Speaker 6: is told, all right.
Speaker 2: Here's the guest star. This is locked in, this is
Speaker 2: in the script after the table read, She's got like
Speaker 2: two days to turn around.
Speaker 6: The guest stars to be at the fitting a couple
Speaker 6: days before they're on set. So it was really fast.
Speaker 2: And then this is what was complicated about booking Scandal.
Speaker 2: Of course, I never book anything where there's not where
Speaker 2: it's just like, oh yeah, completely available.
Speaker 4: Ever never happens that way.
Speaker 6: At the time, I was doing another political White House
Speaker 6: show called sixteen hundred ten, Oh Shit Comedy, a comedy
Speaker 6: with Josh Gadden, Bill Pullman, directed by Jason Weiner and
Speaker 6: I and I was the White House press correspondent.
Speaker 2: I was like I was in the press pool in
Speaker 2: that show.
Speaker 5: He was the Dan Bugatinski on a comedy.
Speaker 2: I was straight up Dan Bukatinsky on sixteen hundred pen.
Speaker 1: So, wait, were you shooting that at the same time
Speaker 1: that you had to shoot Scandal. Yes, it was like
Speaker 1: a potential conflict there.
Speaker 2: There was a conflict. There was.
Speaker 6: I had to shoot like two of the days I
Speaker 6: was supposed to Scandal.
Speaker 2: I was supposed to be at sixteen hundred PEN. So
Speaker 2: I was doing sixteen hundred pun and I called Jason.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, I have to do Scandal. I got
Speaker 2: I got a guest starred. I'm playing Katie's boyfriend from
Speaker 2: the past, Jesse Tyler from Sichron. I rigged the election.
Speaker 6: And he was like, we'll get you out by lunch,
Speaker 6: so I was able to actually split my days. I
Speaker 6: did the morning at sixteen underd PM and I did
Speaker 6: the afternoon at Scandal.
Speaker 5: I have zero recollection of them.
Speaker 2: Two days in a row.
Speaker 6: The only reason I was baby faced as Jesse tell
Speaker 6: because I was because I had to be baby faced
Speaker 6: on sixty a hundred pan, because I had to be
Speaker 6: like a clean cut reporter. So that's the only I
Speaker 6: I auditioned for Scandal with with my beard, but then
Speaker 6: I had to shave for sixty under PA.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, this stresses.
Speaker 1: And we want to switch it up sometimes too, so
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna be scruffy for this character.
Speaker 2: And this is funny.
Speaker 6: Every time I do a character, I like a different
Speaker 6: you know, like this one's just gonna be a creepy
Speaker 6: mustache and this one's gonna be like short hair tea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Like to I don't think you've ever had a go tea.
Speaker 6: You know what, I don't grow facial hair well on
Speaker 6: the side, so it just always looks like I have
Speaker 6: a Goateea.
Speaker 3: My husband is so hot, and I love facial hair.
Speaker 3: I think it's the most handsomething the entire world. And
Speaker 3: the two times he decided to shave his whole face
Speaker 3: was when he met my granny Pat, who's my favorite
Speaker 3: person in the world other than you two. And on
Speaker 3: our wedding.
Speaker 4: Day wow, and Jesse Tyler apparently, and.
Speaker 3: You shaved your face for our wedding day and for
Speaker 3: everyone listening. We got married between seasons one and season
Speaker 3: two of Scandal, and we didn't I'm sorry, Germa. We
Speaker 3: didn't invite anyone from Scandal to the wedding because we.
Speaker 2: Did get picked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we didn't think I was gonna get picked up.
Speaker 3: I didn't think I was ever going to see anybody again.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm getting fired, Quinn's gonna die, Like
Speaker 3: what is even happening. Also, if we invite one, we
Speaker 3: have to invite everyone, and we literally couldn't afford another thirty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we couldn't afford like fifty more people at the wedding. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I remember now that I.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm like, oh my god, Gierma wasn't there, Linda
Speaker 3: was there, Jeff wasn't there.
Speaker 5: All these people were there.
Speaker 3: And then I've said on the podcast before, remember after
Speaker 3: our first dance or some speech during the reception, everyonebo.
Speaker 5: Was chanting shouting who is Quinn?
Speaker 4: Wow? Good?
Speaker 3: Because it was it was right after the season one
Speaker 3: finale and we.
Speaker 6: Were hoping that sixteen hundred penn and Scandal both got
Speaker 6: picked up for a second season.
Speaker 2: I remember that's what we were hoping for during the wedding.
Speaker 1: What wasn't like working together? You guys like you two
Speaker 1: on set working together?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's it's funny because Katie and I
Speaker 6: have worked together in every possible facet of this business.
Speaker 2: You could imagine.
Speaker 6: We've produced together, we've acted together. We've acted together in
Speaker 6: short films, YouTube videos, we were in a feature film together.
Speaker 3: Yes, tell me about what it was like with us
Speaker 3: working together on this episode.
Speaker 6: Well, the funny thing was is I I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker 6: I was a huge Scandal fan. I was a bigger
Speaker 6: Scandal fan than Katie was a bigger share. Now Katie's
Speaker 6: getting it because there's time has passed.
Speaker 4: And she's watching it back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's watching it and she's like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: this show's amazing. Like when I come into the bedroom
Speaker 2: and Katie's watching Scandal and I want to talk about something,
Speaker 2: She's like, shut up, the watching Scandal right, and like
Speaker 2: so good. I didn't know. And that's how I used
Speaker 2: to be. I used to watch Scandal and live tweet
Speaker 2: and Katie would come into the room like wanting to
Speaker 2: talk about something that doesn't have to do with Scan
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, Katie, it's TG right now.
Speaker 6: Get either get on board and start live tweeting right
Speaker 6: now or get out of the room because I'm watching
Speaker 6: this show. So I was a big fan and I
Speaker 6: and my first thing I did when I got to
Speaker 6: set was go to hair and makeup and and I
Speaker 6: walk into the hair and makeup trailer and Tony Goldwin's
Speaker 6: sitting in his seat and he's getting his makeup done,
Speaker 6: and what is on his face a huge bandage from
Speaker 6: a gunshot wound he got to the head.
Speaker 2: Now you didn't know about Yeah, as a Scandal fan.
Speaker 5: Spoiler alert, I mean spoiler ever.
Speaker 6: I walk in, I go spoiler alert Tony, He's like,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, I get shot in the head. I'm like, whohoa,
Speaker 6: don't say that. I'm like five episodes behind, because you
Speaker 6: guys shoot about five episodes in front of what the audience.
Speaker 2: Is seeing right right. So that was a huge spoiler
Speaker 2: alert and I was like, man, this is gonna suck.
Speaker 2: Everything's getting rudined for me.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: But then Katie came into the trailer and we were
Speaker 6: getting our hair makeup done at the day.
Speaker 2: That was really fun. That was great.
Speaker 3: This was directed by Jo's wark Don't get Me started on,
Speaker 3: Don't get GMO started on.
Speaker 5: Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 3: So Janeo is a Jane is a very famous director
Speaker 3: on Scandal, and he's also a very polarizing director. He
Speaker 3: had people who really loved his style and some people
Speaker 3: who did not prefer his style.
Speaker 5: And we can just leave it at that.
Speaker 1: And I also listen, I also admire that he directed
Speaker 1: one of my favorite favorite horror.
Speaker 4: Sequels, Jaws two. What Yes?
Speaker 1: And we talked about this in between us, you know,
Speaker 1: arguing about stuff on set. We I I talked to
Speaker 1: him all the time about he signed my DVD.
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, wow, wow, Well that's pretty cool. That's that's great.
Speaker 2: That's great cool well. I loved him. We had a blast.
Speaker 2: I was also very very excited because there was a
Speaker 2: guest star in this episode who had been guesting for
Speaker 2: a few episodes, and it was Norm Lewis.
Speaker 6: And as a as a Broadway fan, to all of
Speaker 6: a sudden be working with Norm Lewis out of the
Speaker 6: blue is so crazy, you know, I like it to
Speaker 6: to like if you're a huge basketball fan and you
Speaker 6: booked like a Burger King commercial and then in that
Speaker 6: Burger King commercial just happened to be Michael Jordan, and
Speaker 6: you just all of a sudden, you're like colleagues with
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan for a huge like but like but not
Speaker 6: in basketball, Like I wasn't on Broadway with Norm Lewis.
Speaker 2: Like I just was in La down the street from
Speaker 2: our house with Norm Lewis, and it was so trippy
Speaker 2: for me. And there's a great picture of the four
Speaker 2: of us, you mean.
Speaker 5: On our We have a corkboard in our kitchen.
Speaker 3: It's an entire backwall of our kitchen and it has
Speaker 3: our like favorite memories tacked up on it.
Speaker 5: And there's a.
Speaker 3: Candid shot of us walking on the lot and it's me, Germo,
Speaker 3: Adam and norm Lewis.
Speaker 6: And I had my finger in my ear, like I'm
Speaker 6: like in an a cappella group, so I'm obviously like
Speaker 6: singing to normal move.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I know what I wanted to ask you
Speaker 3: tell us real quick about the creation of the Scandal
Speaker 3: Wives Club and its favorite memories of away times where
Speaker 3: we traveled and the Scandal wives were kicking ass.
Speaker 6: First of all, and I don't know if the audience
Speaker 6: knows this, but the Scandal Wives Club is is anybody
Speaker 6: husband's wives, boyfriend's girlfriends of anybody on Scandal, right, And
Speaker 6: I called it the Scandal's Wive Club.
Speaker 2: When did I start doing that, Katie? Like season two?
Speaker 4: Like early season yeah, middle of season two three something yeah.
Speaker 6: And I would always, uh, just when I would see
Speaker 6: another Scandal wife, I would be like if I ran
Speaker 6: into Mikey. It's just this bond that we have because
Speaker 6: all of us know what it's like to be married
Speaker 6: to somebody who's part of this sort of not only
Speaker 6: are you guys always on set and working really late
Speaker 6: on Fridays and like you know, busy, but it's also
Speaker 6: like a juggeror not, like it changed everybody's lives very
Speaker 6: very quickly, Like all of a sudden, Katie and I
Speaker 6: are like, you know, we're at the airport and Katie's
Speaker 6: taking like selfies.
Speaker 2: Like twenty times as we're going through security.
Speaker 3: Yes, and also everyone's lives changed, like because of Scandal,
Speaker 3: Adam and I moved out of a one bedroom apartment
Speaker 3: to a house. Mikey and Garmo moved out of their
Speaker 3: apartment they'd been into a house. Like, people got married,
Speaker 3: people started families, like we were with all of that together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a huge deal in everybody's lives. And
Speaker 6: I thought that, you know, the people that kind of
Speaker 6: understood my position in all of that the best were
Speaker 6: the people that were also dating or married to people
Speaker 6: on Scandal. And now, what I don't think the audience
Speaker 6: realizes is that the Scandal wives are so much more
Speaker 6: interesting than the Scandal guts are so fun.
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, before we would go to an event
Speaker 1: or whatever, a Scandal thing, I would have to tell Mikey,
Speaker 1: Mikey not get too drunk with Marika, and Marika, who's
Speaker 1: married to Scott Foley, was like, you guys need to
Speaker 1: pull it together like me till because you guys were
Speaker 1: it was like the real housewives, like oh.
Speaker 6: Mike, like, you guys were real we when we got together.
Speaker 6: First of all, you know, you got Nondaesoma, like ten
Speaker 6: time all pro, freaking amazing athlete turned exceptional actor in
Speaker 6: Hollywood producer, like is there anybody on the planet more
Speaker 6: interesting than Nasa?
Speaker 2: And then you got like me and Mikey and Marika.
Speaker 6: Who are like the Three Musketeers, such characters, I mean it.
Speaker 6: Then you got like the casting director of Scandal is
Speaker 6: herself a scandal wife, right.
Speaker 5: And the best is Marietta.
Speaker 8: Oh, then you got Marietta George Newbern's wife, who is
Speaker 8: the greatest chef and funniest person and most so fun
Speaker 8: She's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Then like Porsche brought in Ellen de Generous. Yes, Ellen
Speaker 2: de Generous was a Scandal wife.
Speaker 6: It was just like, oh oh how about Don Ruth
Speaker 6: dan Bukatinsky's husband. Oh yeah, Dansey's husband is maybe the
Speaker 6: funniest person I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sort of all happened because Linda Lowe, who is again,
Speaker 3: as Adam said, the casting director, and married to Jeff Perry.
Speaker 3: They would have pot luck hangs on Sundays. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: like a lot where everyone would like bring a dish
Speaker 3: and we would drink and hang out and we would
Speaker 3: show up at maybe like one or two o'clock in
Speaker 3: the afternoon of Sunday and do this pot luck till
Speaker 3: like six seven o'clock and just like hang.
Speaker 4: Out, watched they would watch the episode right that watch.
Speaker 5: The episode, Plann.
Speaker 2: We were taking notes for tweets for tweeting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like hang Out And it was really and
Speaker 3: then besides those, God, we haven't talked about those enough.
Speaker 3: I can't wait when we have Linda on to talk
Speaker 3: to her about that. Okay, guys, Unpacking the Toolbox episode two.
Speaker 2: Twelve, Yeah, get into it called.
Speaker 3: Truth or Consequences. It aired on January thirty, first of
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4: It was written by Peter Noah, who.
Speaker 3: Was a writer on Scandal for I want to say
Speaker 3: only one season. He was a big deal that we
Speaker 3: got him. I think he was like a journalist and
Speaker 3: maybe even was a big writer on the West Wing.
Speaker 3: And then he was only on Scandal for a year.
Speaker 2: But no yeah, he wrote on Peter Noa wrote on
Speaker 2: West Wing too.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 6: And now now he's the co executive producer. I'm the
Speaker 6: good doctor, which I will say I don't watch The
Speaker 6: Good Doctor.
Speaker 2: But I do watch of the first five minutes of
Speaker 2: The Good Doctor because it comes on after The Bachelor
Speaker 2: and we're usually still leave the TV on, so you're one.
Speaker 5: It's a productor okay.
Speaker 3: Guest starring Greg Henry is Hollis Doyle, Debor Mooni is
Speaker 3: Verna Thornton, Susie Poor far as Becky flemm Normal Lewis
Speaker 3: is Senator Edison Davis, George Newburn.
Speaker 1: Is Charlie Shannon Cochrane is Susan Sawyer, j Rene Banga
Speaker 1: as Louise President's Secretary, William Stone Mahony as Defiance voting clerk,
Speaker 1: and Adam Schapiro shas and Jesse's Jesse Schyler.
Speaker 6: Also, this was the fourth time I played a character
Speaker 6: named Jesse. Really, another little little fun fact there. I
Speaker 6: don't know what it is about Jesse's, but I audition it.
Speaker 2: For a lot of Jesse's.
Speaker 4: Well there you go.
Speaker 5: So weird. And I hate that name, do you do.
Speaker 5: I can't stand it. I don't like it for a
Speaker 5: girl or a boy. I just think it stinks.
Speaker 3: Okay, synopsis, Let's see if we can pass this off.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop at some point and GE's gonna pick
Speaker 3: it up in an Adam, you got to hit that
Speaker 3: last paragraph all on your own at the best scandal
Speaker 3: pace that you got you with us.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's like we're.
Speaker 5: Doing a fucking scanal scene right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready. Here we go.
Speaker 3: With Olivia quickly unraveling, the Oka, tem puts their heads
Speaker 3: together to figure out what has their boss so distraught.
Speaker 3: In the process, they learn the truth about the rigged
Speaker 3: White House elections.
Speaker 1: Believing that Holly Story was responsible for the rigged election
Speaker 1: and the attempt at assassination of President Fitz, Assistant US
Speaker 1: Attorney David Rosen has Hollis arrested.
Speaker 6: Flashbacks reveal what really haven't dured the sychroon explosion of
Speaker 6: the role Quinn's Akay Lindsey to our ex boyfriend played
Speaker 6: in the holls a moment. Finally, Nelly struggles to get
Speaker 6: a resemble fits back on her side. When all that spells,
Speaker 6: she has one last card pole that was really good. Adam, Wow,
Speaker 6: that I am sweating right now.
Speaker 4: The pressure now, you know the pressure we felt? That
Speaker 4: was really good.
Speaker 2: You know what else sucks?
Speaker 6: That I had to play a character in the past
Speaker 6: because I didn't get a chance to like work with
Speaker 6: Giermo or anybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just I wasn't in scenes with like
Speaker 6: anybody from Scandal other than r Lindsay Dwyer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's even. That was like not Quinn Perkins,
Speaker 2: Like still she had.
Speaker 4: A side braid.
Speaker 2: Tyler was the worst.
Speaker 3: When I watched this episode, I'm like, what is this
Speaker 3: side braid?
Speaker 5: Okay? Flashback two years.
Speaker 3: Is when Jesse Tyler is in Defiance, Ohio, swapping out
Speaker 3: the memory cards and the voting machines to wring the
Speaker 3: election for fits and he gets a call from Lindsay
Speaker 3: Dwyer who tells him that she's just passed the bar.
Speaker 5: Adam. Do you remember working with the voting machines?
Speaker 3: Because I have to say, other than amazing phone working,
Speaker 3: unlike me and Garamo, you are very good at working
Speaker 3: with technologies.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 6: I love playing hackers. I've played a lot of hackers.
Speaker 6: I've been in two different movies called Hacked another.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: Well, they weren't horror movies, so he's not getting no
Speaker 3: one of them was one of.
Speaker 2: Them is kind of a horror movie, h.
Speaker 4: Hacked, Hacked.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about your scenes in this episode, and then
Speaker 3: we'll just briefly talk about some of the like big
Speaker 3: highlight scenes of this episode. But great, you work closely
Speaker 3: with the rigged voting machine in the first scene, and
Speaker 3: then the next time we see Cytron, right, explain to
Speaker 3: the listeners what the fuck sitron.
Speaker 6: Is Cytron, Well, Sietron is basically if you're if you're
Speaker 6: up on the news of today, Cytron is dominion. Okay,
Speaker 6: So dominion voting machines, the one that Trump said were
Speaker 6: like rigged or whatever like that in Scandal that was
Speaker 6: called cytron. We made these voting machines whatever, and.
Speaker 2: So I had the ability to swap out the data
Speaker 2: card inside of one voting machine to change the whole
Speaker 2: in Defiance, Ohio, and Defiance Ohio in Scandal Land in
Speaker 2: the real world is like Palm Beach, Florida, when like
Speaker 2: Gore lost by like a couple Yeah, so I basically
Speaker 2: just rigged one machine in Defiance, Ohio, and that may
Speaker 2: Sheene tipped the election to President Fitzgerald Grant.
Speaker 3: I have a question for you, what the fuck why
Speaker 3: did Jesse Tyler do that?
Speaker 6: Because I got paid five million dollars from Hollis Doyle.
Speaker 3: If you got paid five million dollars, would you rig
Speaker 3: an election?
Speaker 4: Well, no, you made didn't you get paid a million?
Speaker 5: I think what is wrong with this person?
Speaker 2: You're right, Garama, I got paid like a million.
Speaker 1: And you were fighting when you found out that he
Speaker 1: that Hollis Doyle was making billions. You were like, I
Speaker 1: want five million or I'm gonna start talking to reporters.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And your.
Speaker 3: Next scene, I have the note Jesse so cranky and
Speaker 3: on weird call with Hollis asking for five million more
Speaker 3: and coffee spills on laptop and he flips out.
Speaker 6: This is another This is another one of my most
Speaker 6: fun facts about Scandal. So one of the big sponsors
Speaker 6: of scandal was Microsoft. Right have we talked about That's right?
Speaker 6: We have Microsoft with specifically had a couple of rap
Speaker 6: parties that are really cool. Microsoft entertaining space in La.
Speaker 6: Microsoft was really really cool and they were a big
Speaker 6: sponsored Scandal. And what the audience can now when they're rewatching,
Speaker 6: they can watch for is if you were a good
Speaker 6: guy or a hero and you were at OPA, or
Speaker 6: you were somebody who was like good for the country,
Speaker 6: you used Microsoft products. If you were a bad guy
Speaker 6: and you were doing something bad for the country. You
Speaker 6: use Apple products, and that was like the actually thought about.
Speaker 6: And Jesse Tyler is technically a bad guy. I mean
Speaker 6: he's like, you know, he works with Hollis Doyley rings
Speaker 6: the election. So in the scene where the coffee spills
Speaker 6: on my laptop.
Speaker 2: It's it's a MacBook. Oh shit, And I go to
Speaker 2: the Genius Bar and they can't fix it and I'm
Speaker 2: so upset. And Katie, you have a line like the
Speaker 2: fucking genius Bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, do you say yeah, like say yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: talking about the Genius Bar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of flashbacks?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that those are actually tiny little sort of
Speaker 6: little digs at Apple.
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? Wow?
Speaker 5: Interesting?
Speaker 3: I still don't understand why in your actor prep of
Speaker 3: this character. Did you prepare this character at all? Of
Speaker 3: why he would rig the election? Why did he want
Speaker 3: that money? What was he pa he.
Speaker 2: Was a scrupulous duties Then he's a hacker. He'll take
Speaker 2: my hackers will take money to do anything.
Speaker 1: When you create your character created that software, right, that
Speaker 1: could that could?
Speaker 6: Yeah, created the software Like I think Jesse Tyler did
Speaker 6: that because he's a little bit of like an anarchist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you really think about that at the time or
Speaker 3: are you thinking about that now?
Speaker 2: Just right now, just right? Yes, you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not Lewis. I just do my lines and I leave.
Speaker 3: I was just here thinking, like, I wonder what actor
Speaker 3: prep he like put into this Other than like, I'm
Speaker 3: sure your most biggest concern was the pace with which
Speaker 3: you said the words and the accuracy with which you
Speaker 3: said the words.
Speaker 6: The only prep I did was just making sure I
Speaker 6: was just extremely off book.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: Then this also the scene where I spilled the coffee. Katie.
Speaker 2: We had to improvise. Do you remember this? We had
Speaker 2: to improvise a fight.
Speaker 5: The kids overseeing it, Becky.
Speaker 4: Becky is oversea, right, she's watching you guys.
Speaker 6: Tell yeah, yeah, she's watching us from like another building. Yes,
Speaker 6: And you and I had to just sort of improv
Speaker 6: a fight and it was getting so real.
Speaker 5: Oh I remember this? Yes? What were we talking about?
Speaker 6: Well, it was just you know, it's just like you
Speaker 6: always do this, and and you know Katie, when Katie improvises,
Speaker 6: she uses real stuff out of room.
Speaker 4: Oh, she was getting real.
Speaker 2: I do not, Yeah, you do, Katie.
Speaker 5: What are you talking about, Katie?
Speaker 6: But sometimes that Katie improvises, she talks like you were real,
Speaker 6: Like we're like, it's.
Speaker 2: Like it's me and Katie. You know, I'm out like
Speaker 2: Jesse and.
Speaker 3: Lindsey dwy I see no difference between me and Lindsay Dwyer.
Speaker 3: I am a fuckingly git actress. It's just that you
Speaker 3: can't see my acting. It's not my fault that I'm
Speaker 3: so toeming.
Speaker 6: You know what's funny is Lindsay Dwyer is actually a
Speaker 6: lot like Katie Low's.
Speaker 2: It's it's Quinn Perkins that's nothing like Katie Lows.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, well Perkins had to be Quinn Perkins. Season
Speaker 3: one is like Katie Lows and then as soon as.
Speaker 6: Because that was when you were sort of Lindsay Dwyer
Speaker 6: still and you didn't even know who Quinn Perkins was.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we had to improv and we were really fighting.
Speaker 3: Like I said, guys, unpacking the toolots. Get all the
Speaker 3: information here about food, farts, pooping, and scandal.
Speaker 5: You're welcome.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 3: I want to get back to this episode, but really quickly. Adam,
Speaker 3: do you remember when you first found out that Quinn
Speaker 3: and Hawk were going to be like a romantic item
Speaker 3: and how did you feel about that?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Well, I was excited as a as a fan because
Speaker 2: everybody wanted Quinn Hawk and I was like, Huckleberry Quinn done.
Speaker 2: I went to photoshop.
Speaker 6: I started making Huckleberry Quinn things.
Speaker 5: You're the best.
Speaker 6: And I love Germo and I was like, oh good,
Speaker 6: I'm so glad. It's like a dude I trust and
Speaker 6: he's cool.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Because I'm not trying to mac on his wife.
Speaker 2: Hell ya, Okay, this is the best.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is the greatest fucking scenario a
Speaker 3: person who could.
Speaker 6: Be in Yeah, like July, it's I mean, if Katie
Speaker 6: was on a TV show for ten years with just
Speaker 6: like a really hot.
Speaker 2: Funny Jewish dude who is straight, I'd be like, soap,
Speaker 2: I'd be so jealous. It's just every day it was
Speaker 2: just you and Max Greenfield just making out. You have
Speaker 2: not Mercedes.
Speaker 3: You have nothing to ever be concerned about. There is
Speaker 3: no Adam Shapiro anywhere else in the world. No one,
Speaker 3: No one comes close. Okay, okay, what are some I'm
Speaker 3: looking at my news? If there was any other fave
Speaker 3: flashback Jesse and Quinn, because Becky texted Jesse that they
Speaker 3: go to the Genius Party get Jesse's old computer, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, two years later we go back to
Speaker 3: that genius bar to get your computer.
Speaker 1: Get that computer's right, that's that's the proof that ties
Speaker 1: Becky's account number right to the payment.
Speaker 5: I mean, Jod, this story is so woven.
Speaker 4: It's like it's so much.
Speaker 6: Also, it's another time that like Shonda, you know how
Speaker 6: many times you probably talk about this a lot on
Speaker 6: the podcast, but how many times did Shonda write an episode?
Speaker 6: Then the episode filmed, Then a couple weeks later the
Speaker 6: episode comes out, And when it comes out, the thing
Speaker 6: happening in the episode is happening in.
Speaker 4: The real world in the fucking news whoa like it?
Speaker 6: Like other TV shows would pull headlines and write articles
Speaker 6: about things happening in the world, Shonda would write episodes
Speaker 6: with this sort of like like she could see the future,
Speaker 6: like this is going to be in is shoe in America?
Speaker 6: Like even the you guys searching for my lapt is
Speaker 6: so similar to like bo Biden's laptop. It's like a, oh,
Speaker 6: all we talk about is like that laptop, laptop, laptop,
Speaker 6: And it's like you guys actually like have to go
Speaker 6: and recover this laptop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a few other and then I want to read.
Speaker 5: I want to read some fun facts.
Speaker 3: But wait, a few other favorite scenes of this episode
Speaker 3: and Adam, if did you watch the episode or no?
Speaker 2: Oh I watched the episode?
Speaker 5: Okay, great, so let's talk about a few of our
Speaker 5: favorite scenes. My One of my favorite Thaddy.
Speaker 3: I have to note is that Amy Rosoff, who's my
Speaker 3: best friend and my wife, plays Hollis Doyle's lawyer and
Speaker 3: she knocks the shit out of the scene.
Speaker 1: Tricia Trainer is her name? Ya talk about fast paced talking? Yo,
Speaker 1: homegirl could talk fast?
Speaker 5: Killed it? Okay?
Speaker 3: Any favorite scene, any winning scenes of this episode.
Speaker 4: For me, Katie.
Speaker 1: One of the scenes that I loved so much is
Speaker 1: when Quinn inspires the gladiators to spill all their secrets,
Speaker 1: where Olivia sort of becomes the next client. C Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everyone starts spilling everything they know and Huck is
Speaker 1: just staying quiet and Harrison is like, if you don't
Speaker 1: agree with something, cough.
Speaker 4: Or you know, make a noise or whatever. Yeah, it's such.
Speaker 3: A classic, amazing gladiating Queen.
Speaker 1: Spills the tea about Huck being the one that injects
Speaker 1: her with what is it that and takes her from
Speaker 1: that fucking hotel. Yeah, and changes her identity. And that's
Speaker 1: also this is the scene, Katie where you see me
Speaker 1: carrying you on my back talk about farting. I'm one
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure that I farted the minute I hoisted you.
Speaker 2: On my back, Honey.
Speaker 5: I can't believe you did that like that.
Speaker 3: Just carrying a human being on your shoulder is impossible.
Speaker 3: And the only person I've ever felt comfortable and confident
Speaker 3: with that even happening was Pete Holmes. And it's because
Speaker 3: he's six six like I like other people can't do.
Speaker 3: Adams never care me like that. We've been together seventeen.
Speaker 2: I carried you across the threshold when we when we
Speaker 2: bought Darby's.
Speaker 5: He carried me over his shoulder.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, put my ass over his shoulder like that
Speaker 3: is an awie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my lower back's not going to handle that well.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember Tom Verica being on set and he helped
Speaker 1: me through it, and he was he was saying, actually
Speaker 1: that that that position of carrying someone sort of distributes
Speaker 1: the weight evenly in a way where it's not super
Speaker 1: stressful on the body. But I'm sure I farted when
Speaker 1: I did that.
Speaker 2: It was good to know, good to know. I love
Speaker 2: the hucking' Becky scenes. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Love seeing you and Susie poor Far because she was
Speaker 6: she was like the first time we had seen sort
Speaker 6: of like a female on the show, like somebody just as.
Speaker 3: Dark to Becky and Jail, and that he figured out.
Speaker 1: Fun fact about that scene, Susie Poorfar was probably like
Speaker 1: six months pregnant pregnant were shooting that scene.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, right.
Speaker 3: I love the Quinn stuff leading the table like you said,
Speaker 3: I absolutely love that, and that there's there's no hard feelings.
Speaker 3: It's all in service of Olivia Pope, Melly getting o
Speaker 3: B check up and reminiscing that the only place there
Speaker 3: a team her in Fits is in the delivery room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she has the pregnancy induce straight. That's what
Speaker 1: brings fits back and fucking oh.
Speaker 2: And then then then there's the great scene of like
Speaker 2: sort of Harrison telling Olivia like.
Speaker 6: I got your back and in only in only the
Speaker 6: way Harrison could that, like we got your back.
Speaker 2: You're the white hat, you're Olivia Pope. You know, like
Speaker 2: it's just that's sort of like that loyalty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was like when the show, Like I just
Speaker 6: really was like, oh man, this this group.
Speaker 1: I remember them shooting that scene and I remember Carrie
Speaker 1: and and a Columbus having a sort of a conversation
Speaker 1: out how how special that moment was that these two
Speaker 1: you know, black characters are having this moment like they
Speaker 1: those two could run the world in that moment, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And they're just having this bonding moment,
Speaker 1: and it was so significant and special to see these
Speaker 1: two black actors on the screen having that moment, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Such a good point.
Speaker 3: Were there any other scenes that stuck stuck out to
Speaker 3: anybody as winners? Because then I got to tell you
Speaker 3: all something else.
Speaker 1: For me, one of the one of the fun things
Speaker 1: that happens. One of the memorable lines is when when
Speaker 1: Cyrus is having a scene with Mellie where she's freaking
Speaker 1: out about you know, fits being so you know, and
Speaker 1: he saw the baby Jesus or whatever, which I love
Speaker 1: when she says that line and she leaves the room
Speaker 1: and he says to himself, breeders just.
Speaker 4: So fucking fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh I love that line.
Speaker 1: I also love when Huck goes to Olivia's apartment and
Speaker 1: he gets into bed with her.
Speaker 3: It's so special, it's so so so special.
Speaker 4: Killing people.
Speaker 5: You have to stop killing this.
Speaker 2: This episode was every episode was.
Speaker 3: And by the way, so sad r I p that
Speaker 3: you're going to have to come on when we do
Speaker 3: the Scandal Wives Club episode because this is the only
Speaker 3: episode we see Jesse Tyler in because I died.
Speaker 2: He dies.
Speaker 3: How do you remember how you tell us your tell
Speaker 3: us your death story.
Speaker 6: You know, well, Girmo saw me die last night of
Speaker 6: a strangulation. Yes, this is the first time I've ever
Speaker 6: been blown up by a mail bomb.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 2: And I'm not the only one who dies, right, I
Speaker 2: think like twelve people people.
Speaker 5: But let me let me tell you.
Speaker 3: Guys, we got a Scandal body count. These are the
Speaker 3: murders throughout the series of Scandal. Bang bang bang bang.
Speaker 2: Well good, that really good.
Speaker 5: We are only.
Speaker 3: Counting murders in this body count. Let's get everybody caught up.
Speaker 3: We got Amanda Tanner in episode Okay, she's murdered by
Speaker 3: Charlie George Newborn who was hired by Cyrus Jeff Perry. Okay,
Speaker 3: she's drowned. She's injected in the toe with some bad
Speaker 3: ship that kills her. Instantly, and then they leave her
Speaker 3: body in the Potomac.
Speaker 5: Who's the second.
Speaker 2: I know who the second one is? Who is it?
Speaker 2: A little scissors to the neck action, who's married to.
Speaker 3: He was murdered by Billy Chambers but also kind of
Speaker 3: Quinn Perkins because she pulled the damn scissors out.
Speaker 5: We'll never know, will we.
Speaker 2: There's no way she gets.
Speaker 5: Our third death.
Speaker 3: Ooh, this is by the way, Gio, I mean, Adam,
Speaker 3: We've never done this segment before. This is new. Body
Speaker 3: count is our newest, our newest listing of Scandal. Number
Speaker 3: three is Britta Kagan in episode two eight Oh she
Speaker 3: is uh she is dead and.
Speaker 5: Murdered by uh Bencheets.
Speaker 3: Yes, murdered by a remote controlled sniper rifle. And that
Speaker 3: brings us to sadly r I p our fourth body
Speaker 3: count murdered death today, the one and only Jesse Well.
Speaker 6: I will say I was the fourth person killed on Scandal,
Speaker 6: but in a in the actual timeline, I was the
Speaker 6: first person killed.
Speaker 4: Oh that's true, Adam, That's so.
Speaker 2: True, true because I was I was a flashback. Jesse
Speaker 2: Tyler's death is the is.
Speaker 6: Not only does he is he responsible for fits being elected,
Speaker 6: but his death is the beginning of the unraveling of everything.
Speaker 3: Like why I Quinn Perkins gets saved and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's everything, like the seventh it's everything.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 6: This was not the first time Shonda Rhimes killed me
Speaker 6: off in the episode in which I first appear.
Speaker 4: Did she kill you off in Graze?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I died of a shooter, a shooter in the hospital.
Speaker 3: Adam, You've died one thousand times in your career.
Speaker 2: I die a lot.
Speaker 6: I once you had a director tell me early in
Speaker 6: my career that I was going to die in things
Speaker 6: a lot.
Speaker 5: And why do you say that? I remember this well?
Speaker 6: He you know, he said that a lot of times,
Speaker 6: the first person to die in a movie is has
Speaker 6: to be like it sort of instantly likable and funny,
Speaker 6: and because you don't have a lot of time to
Speaker 6: develop the character.
Speaker 2: So he's like, when.
Speaker 6: You come into these auditions and you're you, a lot
Speaker 6: of times people are like, oh, perfect, that's the guy
Speaker 6: will kill off.
Speaker 4: We're gonna gonna love him.
Speaker 2: People are gonna like us, yeah, strings, And it's true, died.
Speaker 2: I've died I don't know fifty times, numerous times.
Speaker 3: Okay, we got some fun facts on today's two twelve episode.
Speaker 3: Obviously Adam Shapiro, who portrays Ressi Tyler, boyfriend of Lindsay
Speaker 3: Dwyer's Katie Loves's real life husband.
Speaker 2: Surprise, that's nice.
Speaker 3: Another fun fact, as fits leans over Melly at the
Speaker 3: end of the episode, his tie goes from loose and
Speaker 3: to the side to tight and in the center of
Speaker 3: his collar and back again several times.
Speaker 4: Ever, I watched it happen when I was watching it
Speaker 4: last night.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Movie magic, movie magic.
Speaker 3: Another fun fact, It was Kerrie Washington's birthday the day
Speaker 3: this episode aired.
Speaker 5: She told thirty six.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Time and then the last fun fact.
Speaker 3: Sights on the so called Dark Web sell the services
Speaker 3: of hitmen like Becky for anywhere from five I have
Speaker 3: K to fifty K, depending on the style of murder.
Speaker 3: What don't expect to get your money's worth. Experts and
Speaker 3: law enforcement officers who have studied these sites claim that
Speaker 3: not a single murder has ever been attributed to one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine some dumb ass going on a website
Speaker 4: to try to hire a killer like you do that
Speaker 4: shit in person?
Speaker 2: Not listen, you gotta do it.
Speaker 4: I would assume you do that shit in person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do it in a dark alley or a
Speaker 2: yeah like, or you do it in a parking garage. Yes,
Speaker 2: come on, as.
Speaker 3: We wrap this up, I want it. Let's just get through.
Speaker 3: Let's just like do a little bit of a tweeted
Speaker 3: two tweeted tweet tweeted to tweets.
Speaker 7: Of the Yeah, that does not sound like no bird,
Speaker 7: that does not sound like a bird. That sounds dirty,
Speaker 7: But I know that's that's a.
Speaker 2: Bird swings flapping.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, kind it is and kind of a wet bird.
Speaker 5: So some scandal tweets at the time, Adam, will you
Speaker 5: read something jump in?
Speaker 2: Do you have some of these, oh scandal tweets at
Speaker 2: the time? All right, well, you wrote meet my husband.
Speaker 3: At Katie q Low's on January thirty one, Carrie Washington,
Speaker 3: she turned one hundred and six, Meet my husband, Adam Shapiro.
Speaker 3: He's hilarious and adorable and is on Scandal tonight. I'm
Speaker 3: excited for you to see.
Speaker 2: And then you put my website shaffy Dot.
Speaker 4: Now, oh, you had a website that remember when we
Speaker 4: would have websites back.
Speaker 7: In the day.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm pretty sure shabby Dot that is still up.
Speaker 2: Let me type it in the big pretzel on the
Speaker 2: It's there.
Speaker 6: It's still there, So if anybody wants to go shabby
Speaker 6: down that, it's a nice little actor.
Speaker 2: Website about me. I love it.
Speaker 5: Funny.
Speaker 6: Wait, this is a good tweet. Happy birthday, Carry Washington,
Speaker 6: The reason I'm a Gladiator. That woman is too amazing
Speaker 6: hashtag scandal Thursday by Kadija Granger.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 1: And then we have one from bri Yonce hashtag in
Speaker 1: other news, I'm ready to watch the side chick win
Speaker 1: tonight hashtag scandal. I'm with her or him whoever that.
Speaker 5: Was at May. Lady eighty four tweeted, I'm not opposed to.
Speaker 3: Huck doing something gruesome to Hollis hashtag scandal agreed.
Speaker 4: Uh oh uh oh oh, Miss Veronica, I love KC Chiefs.
Speaker 4: I love KFC. She says. Wait.
Speaker 1: Edison is on again tonight, rocks back and forth, throws
Speaker 1: TV out the window. Seriously, is he goes on a
Speaker 1: killing spree hashtag scandal hash hashtag I can't.
Speaker 3: Edison was so fucked on this show, like, you can't
Speaker 3: be the love interest that comes in between Olivia and Fitz.
Speaker 5: There's no way, there's no way A's.
Speaker 6: And Mellie got a lot of like that too, right,
Speaker 6: you know, just from being married to Fitz who At
Speaker 6: Nikki five two eight nick drip intravenious, she tweeted Meinie
Speaker 6: Leak said you should leave a baby inside until it's
Speaker 6: ready to come out. Guess Mellie doesn't watch much.
Speaker 2: Hashtag Real Housewives of Atlanta hashtags that's funny at Sea
Speaker 2: says at Scandal four one one no.
Speaker 5: Hashtag Scandal season eight, Olivia walks.
Speaker 3: Into her apartment and Edison is sitting there asking her
Speaker 3: why she didn't pick his calls up for eight years.
Speaker 1: Yikes, Bellamy Bellamy Young said hashtag Gladiators, you better take
Speaker 1: today to nap and hydrate because you are gonna need
Speaker 1: the help to make it through tonight's heart stopping Scandal
Speaker 1: ABC episode hashtag ass scandal.
Speaker 2: She was gone, Bellamy.
Speaker 5: Right, great tweet at Save the Curl.
Speaker 3: Curl Gladiator tweeted who else thinks that Olitz are going
Speaker 3: to take that Rachel and Ross break as some glass
Speaker 3: Adiators think?
Speaker 5: I like it, Ahi, guys. I just want to say
Speaker 5: I love you both.
Speaker 3: I love you both my real life husband and my
Speaker 3: work husband. I couldn't be a more fortunate lady on
Speaker 3: this planet to be so well cared for and honestly, Adam.
Speaker 5: Hearing you talk about the Scandal Wives, I.
Speaker 3: Was I'm gonna get a little emotional here and then
Speaker 3: we're gonna go. But I was the most luckiest actor
Speaker 3: in the world that on this ride.
Speaker 5: You were my person.
Speaker 3: Uh wow, I agree, because you are the most supportively, loving, kind,
Speaker 3: funny and also like talent, always game to hold my
Speaker 3: purse and root for a scandal and you were just
Speaker 3: never You were always the fucking best and you still
Speaker 3: are the fucking best.
Speaker 2: And I love it was my favorite honest it is
Speaker 2: my favorite thing ever.
Speaker 6: I Mean a lot of people always ask about, you know,
Speaker 6: being married to another actor, you know, and what's that like,
Speaker 6: And I'm like, well, the only difference is that I'm
Speaker 6: happiest when Katie books things. There's nothing better than when Katie.
Speaker 3: When Adam books, it's the best because I get all
Speaker 3: the high from getting it and the stories about it
Speaker 3: and the money for our family and all of this,
Speaker 3: but I don't have to actually go.
Speaker 4: To the pressure of actually doing the work.
Speaker 3: It's like exactly, even when Adam books, it's like the best.
Speaker 4: You could chill, lay back, but like, this motherfucker is
Speaker 4: going to work for a minute.
Speaker 3: I feel so happy and proud of it. It's like
Speaker 3: it's like, so it's the greatest. It's just the greatest.
Speaker 6: The other thing I loved about UH is live with
Speaker 6: the fact that, you know, Katie, do you talk about
Speaker 6: the proximity to our house to They'll set like how
Speaker 6: close we lived to scandal. The best part about that
Speaker 6: was whenever there was a really delicious food treat, I
Speaker 6: was only like two minute drive away.
Speaker 2: And you know this is pre COVID, so anybody could
Speaker 2: walk on set.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you haven't, I'd be like, the food
Speaker 3: truck is here, Adam, there's an ice cream truck. Carry
Speaker 3: got cupcakes, Adam Kerry got the whole Candy Bottom would
Speaker 3: show up.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, hey, guys, what's up. Everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: what are you doing here? I'm like, just here for
Speaker 2: the tacos. See you later.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, the next episode up is two thirteen. Nobody
Speaker 3: likes babies. I don't remember what the hell it's about.
Speaker 4: You could say that again, but you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna find it here. And Adam Shapiro, you were the
Speaker 3: best Gladiator. Is there anything you want to say in
Speaker 3: closing out Gladiators Gladiators, anything you want.
Speaker 5: To say to the gladiators listening?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I do want to say one thing. I
Speaker 6: love the Gladiators. Like when I and because I tweeted
Speaker 6: so often, Like I.
Speaker 2: Could be walking in a random city, working or whatever,
Speaker 2: and somebody will come up to be like, I'm a Gladiator.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm a gladiator, and then they'll tell me
Speaker 2: their Twitter handle and I'm like, I'm not kidding. I
Speaker 2: know exactly who they are, who they are, and I
Speaker 2: just that community was so awesome. I mean just so supportive.
Speaker 2: And you know, I love you guys, Gladiators for life.
Speaker 5: Thank you for coming on unpacking the toolbox. It was
Speaker 5: the most fun.
Speaker 4: This was so much fun.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys. I love you.
Speaker 4: We love you, Adam, We love you Adam.
Speaker 2: I mean, how.
Speaker 1: Fucking great is your husband? I want to just I
Speaker 1: want to cradle him in my arms. He cries and
Speaker 1: I gently like his air.
Speaker 3: He's honestly like the greatest. Great People always ask me.
Speaker 3: They'll be like, what's the most important best decision you
Speaker 3: ever made in your life? And I always say marrying
Speaker 3: Adam Spiro. Oh, it's non negotiable. He's the most wonderful,
Speaker 3: one of a kind human being. And he was amazing
Speaker 3: as Jesse Tyler, and he was amazing The Scandal skintle wives,
Speaker 3: and I hope you guys had Today's episode was long,
Speaker 3: but there.
Speaker 2: Was a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a lot in it. Go watch it
Speaker 4: on Hulu. Do yourself a favor and come back and
Speaker 4: listen to Unpacking the Toolbox. Bye bye, guys. Thank you
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