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Speaker 1: Hi, it's Alison Plum. Welcome back to Erased. In our

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Speaker 1: last episode, the defense had to change their strategy once

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Speaker 1: their theory that Elma took her own life was completely unraveled.

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Speaker 1: They accused Richard Croucher, the jealous creep of the house,

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Speaker 1: of killing Elma and framing Levi. Here we are at

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Speaker 1: our final chapter. It's been a journey through this chaotic

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Speaker 1: two day trial. I'm so glad you're here. If you

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Speaker 1: were in the courtroom for this, you were flooded with theories.

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Speaker 1: Colden presented his case that Levi Weeks lured Elma Sands

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Speaker 1: the pretense of marriage, and with help from his brother Ezra,

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Speaker 1: defense presented their series of rebuttals. They attacked Colden's credibility.

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Speaker 1: They iced him out of essential due process using their

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Speaker 1: power and connections, and they alleged that Elma was a

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Speaker 1: suicidal opiate addict whose death had nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: their client. They uncovered that Elma was surrounded by dangerous men.

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Speaker 1: They suggested that she endured repeated abuse by her uncle,

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Speaker 1: Elias Ring, and that Richard Croucher ignited a firestorm of

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Speaker 1: negative public opinion towards their client. The audacity and power

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Speaker 1: of these claims took a toll on everything, the jury's patience,

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Speaker 1: the endurance of Colden's story from the day before, and

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor himself honestly. In this last episode, we find

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Speaker 1: out can Colden stand up to all of this? Will

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Speaker 1: there be justice for Elma? We're back in the courtroom

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Speaker 1: toward the end of day two, April first, eighteen hundred,

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Speaker 1: as Hamilton and Burr prepared their finishing blow.

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Speaker 2: Levi Weeks has sat here in peace and silence for

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Speaker 2: two days. He's listened to unqualified idiots eviscerate his character

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Speaker 2: with vicious and unfounded accusations. He has exemplified restraint and dignity.

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Speaker 3: Levi Weeks is a builder. He builds.

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Speaker 2: Levi Weeks is an architect, not a murderer, and his

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Speaker 2: character speaks for itself.

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Speaker 4: Mister Hamilton, is this your closing statement?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to deliver our closing statement, m m gentlemen

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Speaker 3: of the jury.

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Speaker 5: As the Great Matthew Hale said in his masterpiece, Please

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Speaker 5: of the Crown, It's better five guilty persons should escape

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Speaker 5: unpunished than one innocent person should die.

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Speaker 3: Have mercy on this innocent man.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Johnner, sorry to interrupt. I have more witnesses.

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Speaker 4: We've listened to hundreds of witnesses.

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Speaker 3: We've listened to seventy five witnesses.

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Speaker 6: We're tired.

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Speaker 7: We're so tired.

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Speaker 6: Well I'm tired too, but I'm still presenting my case.

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Speaker 4: Mister Colton, do you have new evidence?

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Speaker 3: How could he have new evidence? Now?

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Speaker 8: Have a new lens to which I'd like to examine

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Speaker 8: the evidence we've heard this fall. If I could request

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Speaker 8: another German just till the morning?

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Speaker 4: What I like theirselves?

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Speaker 9: Counselors approach the bench, mister Coldon, for the well being

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Speaker 9: of our jurors, we simply cannot adjourn again.

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Speaker 4: Do you really have new evidence that we haven't heard?

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Speaker 6: I have character witnesses, serve a bunch of them.

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Speaker 2: We don't need more character witnesses, cold, and the jury

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Speaker 8: I have four witnesses for Elias Ring, who's been ceaselessly

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Speaker 8: lambasted all day, plus character witnesses to prove Alma had

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Speaker 3: This is over cold.

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Speaker 4: The defense has closed our case.

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Speaker 6: But I don't have the energy to close mine tonight.

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Speaker 6: I think if we can all just sleep on it

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Speaker 6: for just a few.

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Speaker 4: Hours, not adjourning colding.

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Speaker 6: Okay, fine, then then give me an hour for character.

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Speaker 9: Witnesses fifteen minutes. Then you're closing argument starting right now.

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Speaker 1: So they refuse to do another adjournment. Cold then started faltering, or,

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Speaker 1: as one stenographer put it, crumbling under fatigue. Imagine trying

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Speaker 1: for two days, and everything you try to do is

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Speaker 1: against the rules, rules that once told you about that

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Speaker 1: are being made up right in front of you. I'd

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Speaker 6: The prosecution calls Henry Clement.

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Speaker 8: A sorry, can you walk a little faster please?

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Speaker 4: Mister Clement?

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Speaker 6: Futs asleep?

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Speaker 7: Ooh yights.

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Speaker 6: Okay, mister Clement. What were you doing on the night

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Speaker 6: Elma Sands was murdered?

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Speaker 7: Well, my wife and I had barley in steak and

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Speaker 7: then the Macombs rang our doorbell at nine pm. My

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Speaker 6: And was it an emergency?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 7: No, it was just Beth and John McComb looking for

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Speaker 7: a night cap. They just finished dinner at Ezra Weeks's house.

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Speaker 6: And Ezra walked into Frederick Grindlander's corner.

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Speaker 8: Beth and John McComb went to your house, and Ezra

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Speaker 8: Manhattan Well.

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Speaker 3: Speculation storytelling at this.

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Speaker 8: Point, Ezra Weeks was unaccounted for between eight twenty five

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Speaker 8: and nine to fifteen that night, So it's obvious.

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Speaker 2: Elma SAMs was out and unaccounted for all the time.

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Speaker 7: Hold on, that's not true.

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Speaker 6: What was that, missus wing?

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Speaker 10: Elma was never out past perfew.

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Speaker 7: I always knew where she was.

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Speaker 9: Sit down, missus ring talk, mister Colden.

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Speaker 4: Stop the room, mister Colden, you still have a witness

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Speaker 4: up here.

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Speaker 6: Mister Clement. Do you socialize with the McCombs often?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well fairly often. There are acquaintances of mine.

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Speaker 6: When did you next seat them?

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Speaker 7: We ran into each other three days after the murder

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Speaker 7: at the Christmas buffet at San Franci's Tavern on Pearl

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Speaker 7: Street off by John McComb was wearing a top hat

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Speaker 1: The storied Francis Tavern on Pearl Street, where this witness's

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Speaker 1: York's high society. Imagine like an old English style house

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Speaker 1: in Lower Manhattan, but inside the rich and powerful get

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Speaker 1: drunk and make important decisions. The Continental Congress had their

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Speaker 1: first ever meeting at Francis Tavern. The New York Chamber

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Speaker 1: of Commerce was founded there. It was Washington's favorite bar.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of a scene.

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Speaker 7: Ah, looking good, John, I like your jackets.

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Speaker 1: This party was on Christmas Day and Alma had disappeared

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Speaker 1: on the twenty second.

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Speaker 4: Where's the wife?

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Speaker 7: She's getting us more brisket. John, Listen, I've been hoping

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Speaker 7: to run into you. Come on, Clement, No work talk

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Speaker 7: on Jesus' birthday.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not about.

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Speaker 3: Work, Hey, Darling was surprise.

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Speaker 4: Ah, missus McCombe.

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Speaker 7: I was just telling John about something sort of gruesome.

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Speaker 4: If you want to go, sit down.

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Speaker 3: No, my wife's tough, tougher than you, dear.

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Speaker 4: What's so gruesome?

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Speaker 6: Clement?

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Speaker 7: My advice to you is this, don't tell anyone you

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Speaker 7: had dinner at Ezra.

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Speaker 4: Weeks's house the other night. Why not?

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Speaker 7: I met Ezra's shop all the time we worked together.

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Speaker 7: I think you should avoid associating with the Weeks brothers.

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Speaker 6: For now, Clement, come on, what's this about.

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 7: You heard about the girl who disappeared right?

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Speaker 6: Oh, yes, from the Ring's house.

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Speaker 1: Truly shocking.

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Speaker 7: It happens young girls run away, then they come home.

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Speaker 4: It's not good Christmas talk.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, John, I have a bad feeling about this,

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Speaker 7: and people are saying Levi Weeks hold on.

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Speaker 2: This is a court of law, not a court of feelings.

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Speaker 7: Girls like Elma Sands don't just vanish I knew if

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Speaker 7: something that happened to her. The Weeks brothers were probably involved.

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Speaker 7: See I was right.

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Speaker 4: I'm always right.

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Speaker 7: Ezra Weeks kicked down for the country's best and brightest

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Speaker 7: legal team to defend his brother because they.

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Speaker 3: Know he's guilty. Speculation.

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Speaker 8: Plus, Levi's legal team has had months to prep their case.

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Speaker 8: They started working on this in January.

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Speaker 3: Hey, can we get it on the ram shamp and

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Speaker 3: some chips? What a double Sam?

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Speaker 1: And here we are back at Francis Tavern a month later,

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Speaker 1: shortly after Burr and Hamilton were brought onto this case.

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Speaker 1: With its reputation and clientele, the tavern was a great

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Speaker 2: You know what our biggest problem is everyone in New

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Speaker 2: York saw Elma's dead body.

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Speaker 3: Stop saying your name.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just any dead body here, and it was

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Speaker 3: That scars people.

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Speaker 11: I'll bet you right now, at this time next year,

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Speaker 11: nobody remembers the name Elma Sands.

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Speaker 3: What will you beten?

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Speaker 4: You're broke.

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Speaker 11: You're broke too. Come on, can we be a little

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Speaker 11: bit more fun about this. We're taking our brand new

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Speaker 2: Don't refer to anything as our baby, especially the US Constitution.

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Speaker 3: This country's future is on our shoulders.

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Speaker 11: Let's stop worrying about Elma Sands and build a case

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Speaker 11: for our guy for America.

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Speaker 7: Here you go, Jentlyn.

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Speaker 6: Good to see you two out social.

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Speaker 3: Hamilton and I are not hanging out, sam.

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Speaker 2: We're working on a murder case, Sammy, the first one

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Speaker 2: ever going to trial.

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Speaker 6: Who is murdered.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. There's gonna be a judge jury of

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Speaker 3: full audience.

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Speaker 6: Was it the girl that pull out of the well

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Speaker 6: or they're on the list of arts?

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Speaker 9: Oh God bless her, Julielma.

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Speaker 11: It doesn't matter what her name was. If anyone asked

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Speaker 11: you about the dead girl. Don't participate in gossip. Leave

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Speaker 11: it in the hands of the US justice system.

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Speaker 7: I never gossip, mister good.

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Speaker 5: If anyone's wondering about Alma or whatever her name was,

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Speaker 5: they can come see for themselves at the trial.

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Speaker 2: It's on March thirty first to ten am, Federal Hall.

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Speaker 2: If I'm going to write that Downsams, the.

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Speaker 7: Trial is open to the public, of course.

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Speaker 3: An audience is vital for justice. Cheers to being on

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Speaker 3: the right side of justice.

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Speaker 6: For justice Justice.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton were excited to test out

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Speaker 1: the new system in its first official murder trial, and

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Speaker 1: maybe in all that excitement they forgot that a person

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Speaker 1: was murdered, and if that person was erased from history

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Speaker 1: as collateral damage for the construction of the great New

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Speaker 1: US System. It probably didn't seem like a big deal

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Speaker 1: to them. They wanted to win, They wanted to see

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Speaker 1: the system work for them, and it was their job

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Speaker 1: to win. When it came time for their opponent Colden

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Speaker 1: to close his case, this happened.

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Speaker 4: Are you okay there, Coldon?

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Speaker 6: Yes, gentlemen of the jury.

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Speaker 8: Today this case has the power to change the levi

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Speaker 8: week's murdered Elma in the well, and I am.

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Speaker 4: What's happening, mister Colden.

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Speaker 6: I don't have the energy to deliver my closing arguments.

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Speaker 4: What you don't want to say anything at all? No?

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Speaker 8: No, I want to say a lot more, but I'm

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 6: Please, I'm so sorry everyone, I'm just I'm sinking.

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Speaker 4: Stand up, I'll say it, your honor.

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Speaker 7: Can I make the closing statement?

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Speaker 4: Sit down? Missus ring?

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Speaker 1: Could she give the closing statement since the prosecutor was

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Speaker 1: for Elma anyone?

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Speaker 6: I've been awake for forty four hours. I'm just so tired.

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Speaker 4: I'm not tired.

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Speaker 7: Let me do it, please, your Honor. I can do it, please.

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Speaker 1: And a few days earlier, Catherine had faith that he

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Speaker 1: The truth would triumph here. There was no way that

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Speaker 1: There was no way Coldon had four or five days

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Speaker 1: piece together the story. He started with Catherine Ring, his

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Speaker 1: more to you, mister.

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Speaker 3: Colden, Please?

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Speaker 7: Yes, I have a question for you.

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Speaker 10: I hope it's not insulting by all means. Have you

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Speaker 8: Well, there's never been a murder trial before, right, But I've.

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Speaker 6: Got four whole days to repair case.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there are just so many details.

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Speaker 10: Are you good at keeping notes?

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Speaker 6: I got this, Catherine, I'm great under pressure.

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Speaker 8: Okay, you're the first witness I'm calling, though, so you're

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Speaker 6: Make sure to look at the jury. Don't act nervous.

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Speaker 10: I'm not nervous, mister Coldon. You seem nervous.

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Speaker 6: No, No, I'm good. You look bad. Coldon, I'm not well,

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Speaker 6: your honor. I'm too tired to make any more statements.

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Speaker 9: I have to go home, so the prosecution is too

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Speaker 4: What Coldon?

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Speaker 3: You can still do it, Katherin.

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Speaker 1: I'm crumbling you, and I wish I could tell you

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Speaker 1: Coldon had nothing left but hope that he had done

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Speaker 1: And of course Catherine was desperate and furious with him.

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Speaker 1: Everyone probably was, but what could they do.

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Speaker 9: It was over orders in the chambers. Jurors, please rise,

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Speaker 9: These proceedings are now closed. Clerk, yes, your honor, escort

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Speaker 7: Gentlemen, please gather your belongings and follow me right this way.

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Speaker 6: Through the double doors.

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Speaker 1: Everybody watched the jury file out of the courtroom to deliberate.

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Speaker 1: Twelve men walk out in a group, each member of

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Speaker 1: the defense attorneys, a regular at Francis Tavern, or as

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Speaker 9: Everybody else while we wait for the jurors decision. If

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Speaker 9: you need to rest, take a brief slumber in your seats.

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Speaker 9: But nobody leaves this room until the jurors return. Nobody

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Speaker 1: December twenty first, seventeen ninety nine, the day before the

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Speaker 1: murder in the boarding house.

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Speaker 4: Give me your blessing.

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Speaker 6: What just tell me you want me to marry Levi

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Speaker 6: and everything is going to be great.

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Speaker 10: I don't support the marriage, Alma, I can't lie to you.

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Speaker 6: Then just support me, please, I'm serious.

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Speaker 3: Okay, say it?

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Speaker 4: Do I have to?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 12: Please?

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Speaker 10: Okay, Alma, I want you to marry Levi tomorrow. Everything's

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Speaker 10: gonna be great.

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Speaker 4: Parks, they're a problem.

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Speaker 6: The jury has reached a unanimous verdict, your honor.

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Speaker 4: Is that a joke?

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Speaker 6: I don't really joke, sir.

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Speaker 7: But it's only been three minutes and they're ready to

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Speaker 7: come back in, sir.

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Speaker 4: Okay, bring them in all rise.

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Speaker 1: And though we can never know what happened that night,

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Speaker 1: my best guess is this. They got to the list.

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Speaker 1: Benard Meadows, who is this the place? Got out of

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Speaker 1: Ezra's sleigh started walking and God, it's so quiet.

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Speaker 12: I got.

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Speaker 6: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Should I? Should I start saying my vows now?

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get out of here. Wait, aren't you

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Speaker 4: staying to officiate?

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Speaker 2: Where are you going stay with me? A?

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously I'm staying with you.

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Speaker 12: I'm just trying to understand the whole eloping logistics.

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Speaker 4: Too many questions. I just want to get it right.

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Speaker 4: Should I start saying my vowels now? I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: more of a list of reasons why I love you, but.

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Speaker 6: I need you to make this easier for me?

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Speaker 1: Make what easier?

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Speaker 4: Vibe?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 4: What are you doing? That hurts up?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 7: Don't let me go.

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Speaker 4: Juror number one, how do you find a defendant.

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Speaker 7: Not guilty, your honor? What did he say during number two?

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Speaker 4: Not guilty? During number three?

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Speaker 6: Not guilty?

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Speaker 3: Then you have to see something?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you hear that?

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Speaker 13: Move on?

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Speaker 3: Juror number four, they're saying, not guilty, we did it?

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Speaker 7: Stop it, Juror number five.

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Speaker 3: I didn't do it. I didn't do it.

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Speaker 4: We did it.

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Speaker 6: I can't mean to number six, not guilty.

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Speaker 4: You won.

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Speaker 3: I can't hear you.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's won, dur number seven, you won, not guilty,

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Speaker 8: your honor.

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Speaker 4: Number eight.

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Speaker 7: Oh, that's guilty.

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Speaker 5: This is this is not justice.

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Speaker 6: Your number nine.

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Speaker 7: Nothing happens to Levi?

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Speaker 5: Oh guilty?

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Speaker 7: Sure, number ten, not guilty, your honor, grab my hand,

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Speaker 7: caster sure number eleven.

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Speaker 3: Catherine here, as hard as you can't, it's guilty.

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Speaker 7: Now your hand, Katherine, you're number twelve.

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Speaker 6: Not.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your service.

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Speaker 9: Gentlemen, the State of New York hereby finds lee By

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Speaker 9: Weeks not guilty of the murder of Elma Sands, your honor, Yes,

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Speaker 9: mister Murray.

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Speaker 3: Is my client. Free to go order order.

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Speaker 9: I don't think there's anything else we have to do,

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Speaker 9: so yes, Levi Weeks and everyone else we are dismissed.

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Speaker 8: Good night, All right, folks, this way there are multiple

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Speaker 8: Let's not tremble.

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Speaker 4: Just can't.

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Speaker 10: That is.

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Speaker 5: Those who you gave to us.

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Speaker 10: You did not do something and gave them to us

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Speaker 10: and throw them by.

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Speaker 5: Their return to sol.

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Speaker 10: The sun has taught us that life is eternal and

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Speaker 10: love cannot die.

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Speaker 4: We have to leave this true. You get up.

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Speaker 10: I'm up.

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Speaker 5: You're on your knees.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Catherine, how are you? My friends?

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Speaker 5: Congratulations on my not guilty verdict, and you can stop

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Speaker 5: shunning me.

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Speaker 7: Now stay away from us.

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Speaker 3: But you guys were wrong about me. I know it's

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Speaker 3: hard for you to admit that I'm not guilty.

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Speaker 14: Of course you're guilty, Levi.

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Speaker 4: You owe me one. Remember, Just go leave?

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Speaker 3: Come on, Catt, how about some drinks? Just a second

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Speaker 3: was waiting outside? First on you, buddy.

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Speaker 10: We never want to see you again, so you may

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Speaker 10: as well go drink with your lawyers.

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Speaker 4: Don't be dramatic, Catherine.

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Speaker 10: I mean it.

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Speaker 14: I don't want to know you, or think of you,

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Speaker 14: or hear your name. I don't want to know where

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Speaker 14: come back.

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Speaker 1: To New York.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, missus Rain or good morning.

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Speaker 2: I think I see the sun rising on a brand

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Speaker 2: new day out there.

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the pub sounds great, mister Hamilton.

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Come on, ladies want to come celebrate Lee by his

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Speaker 2: victory with us.

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Speaker 3: Ella would have wanted you to.

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Speaker 10: Party, mister Hamilton.

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Speaker 3: And don't be so sad, Catherine.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't suit you when.

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Speaker 10: You lay suffering a sudden, violent, brutal death.

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Speaker 6: I hope you'll.

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Speaker 3: Think of me, Okay, I don't think, and I.

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Speaker 10: Pray you'll be sorry. Mister Hamilton, I do believe you'll

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Speaker 10: be sorry for the things you've done.

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Speaker 4: Let's go home now, Catherine.

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Speaker 1: And so Levi Weeks walked out of the courtroom Ernberr

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Speaker 1: over that night as Elma's disappeared into history. And it's

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Speaker 1: tempting to tell you here why I'm so obsessed with

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Speaker 1: our justice system now. But at its core, it's about

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Speaker 1: then erased because her story was inconvenient for men in power.

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Speaker 1: And I keep hearing that story even today. Why are

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Speaker 1: we still like this? Stenography in the courtroom was a

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Speaker 1: brand new idea at the time of this trial. Partial

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Speaker 1: the Alma Sans murder trial is the first time where

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Speaker 1: multiple full length accounts were published. But who were the

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Speaker 1: Is anyone The prominent manuscript of the trial was written

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Speaker 1: by a friend of Alexander Hamilton and sent to him

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Speaker 1: Weeks five hundred dollars to leave certain details of the

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Speaker 1: the winners. Here's what we know. Trying to escape his

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Speaker 1: bad reputation in New York, Levi Weeks lived in several

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Speaker 1: his architectural contributions to the city in Natchez. April twenty

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Speaker 1: Lansing disappeared also in Soho. To this day, his disappearance

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Speaker 1: is a cold case. A magazine article in the mid

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Speaker 1: nineteenth century would blame the bitter, conniving ghost of Elma

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Speaker 1: Sans for Judge John's disappearance. Elias Ring lost the boarding

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Speaker 1: odd jobs and then fell into debt, ultimately getting kicked

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, Elias and Catherine had ten children, and

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Speaker 1: then Elias died from the yellow fever. Catherine Ring lived

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Speaker 1: another fifty six years. She moved back up to New

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Speaker 1: Cornwall with hope. She turned the house where she grew

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Speaker 1: up into a boarding house where she took care of

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Speaker 1: dozens of boarders at once. That house is dif standing

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Speaker 1: where most of the key players in this story have

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Speaker 1: museums and monuments and like landmarks committed to the preservation

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Speaker 1: of their names and stories and legacies. Alma Sands was

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Speaker 1: buried unmarked in a mass grave on the Lower East Side.

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Speaker 1: It's nearly impossible to find details about Elma's life. Even

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Speaker 1: the official spelling of her name is lost. The well

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Speaker 1: where Alma was murdered still stands now unlandmarked, in the

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Speaker 1: basement of a clothing store in soho. Alma moved to

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Speaker 1: the city when she was eighteen from a farm upstate.

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Speaker 1: She was raised by a single mom, and she loved

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Speaker 1: the piano. Almost all other personal details about Elma outside

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Speaker 1: the context of her murder trial have been erased, but

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Speaker 1: Alma's cousin, Catherine, her best friend and her biggest advocate

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Speaker 1: in the world, would remember her like this.

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Speaker 12: Catherine, Catherine, come make a snow angel.

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Speaker 10: Is that what you're doing?

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Speaker 7: Yes, come try it.

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Speaker 10: I'm not gonna lay in the snow.

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Speaker 4: It's freezing.

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Speaker 12: Oh please, there's an echo.

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Speaker 4: Alma.

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Speaker 1: You'll make a scene.

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Speaker 12: Oh but it feels so so powerful.

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Speaker 1: Catherine, come here.

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Speaker 11: Catherine.

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Speaker 12: Please, okay, just for a moment, yes, yes, okay, lay

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Speaker 12: down right here. Okay, now, scream something.

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Speaker 10: I can't stand to yell.

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Speaker 6: Scream something anything.

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Speaker 12: It feels good, Catherine, Helloa, Loder. You can do it.

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Speaker 13: God Dad, Alma, I'm freezing.

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Speaker 4: And I love you.

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Speaker 10: I love you the most in the world.

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Speaker 4: In the world.

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Speaker 10: Okay, Okay, it's so cold. I got you, Alma. Let's

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Speaker 10: walk on this side over here. Yeah, so we can

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Speaker 10: stay in the sun.

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