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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday. Crisus came up a couple of times in

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<v Speaker 1>our episode on the Battle of the Eclipse not too

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<v Speaker 1>long ago, so our episode on him is Today's Saturday Classic.

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<v Speaker 1>This originally came out September seventh, twenty twenty. Enjoy Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of

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<v Speaker 1>iHeartRadio Hello, and Welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly Frye

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. So, Crisus is a name

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<v Speaker 1>that is now most commonly referenced when someone wants to

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<v Speaker 1>shorthand that a person is ridiculously wealthy. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that it happens sometimes in English language, but other

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<v Speaker 1>languages use it all the time, and I think possibly

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more than English speakers. And he is

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<v Speaker 1>one of those historical figures who was both real and

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<v Speaker 1>has taken on a mythical status, also mythical. Aesop was

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<v Speaker 1>a member of his court, and there's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>mythical swirlings around him. But the story of the ridiculously

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy Cresus, which was likely fictionalized in a number of ways,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about that, also becomes this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>cautionary tale about pride and hubris and what really has

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<v Speaker 1>value in life. So Crisus was born into the royal

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<v Speaker 1>family of Lydia. Lydia was a kingdom that occupied the

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<v Speaker 1>western section of Anatolia. Roughly speaking in modern shorthand, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the left half of the Asia Minor peninsula,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's part of modern day Turkey. To the west

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<v Speaker 1>sat the Greeks, and to the east or the lands

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<v Speaker 1>of Persia. The Lydia that Crisus was born into was

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<v Speaker 1>very prosperous. When Phrygia, which had been the dominant power

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<v Speaker 1>on the peninsula since around twelve hundred BCE, was attacked

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<v Speaker 1>by Samerians and fell from power circus seven hundred BCE,

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<v Speaker 1>Lydia became the most powerful kingdom in the region. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of filled that power vacuum at that point. It

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<v Speaker 1>was ruled by King Jaijis from the newly established Lydian

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<v Speaker 1>capital of Sardis. This also established the Merbnad dynasty after

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<v Speaker 1>Jaiji's came Artists in the mid seventh century BCE, followed

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<v Speaker 1>by Sidides and then Alioities. Aliities was Criesus's father, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's under Aliites that Lydia is said to have really

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<v Speaker 1>hit its apex in terms of power and prosperity. The

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<v Speaker 1>exact dates for the reigns of those kings are pretty fuzzy.

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<v Speaker 1>The main source that's used for them is from Herodotus,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you do the math based on the counts

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<v Speaker 1>of the years that he uses, that math is not

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<v Speaker 1>quite add up. Also, just in general, Herodotus sometimes would

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<v Speaker 1>like to say this is how I heard it, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. It's one of those things where he

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<v Speaker 1>is listed as a great historian. But as we'll discuss later,

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<v Speaker 1>there's definitely some flexibility with the record, like what serves

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<v Speaker 1>his purpose. But what is less fuzzy is the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that during the years from seven hundred BCE to Creases

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<v Speaker 1>becoming king circa five sixty BCE, Lydia had established itself

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<v Speaker 1>as a very prosperous commercial culture. It is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the earliest cultures known to have instituted the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>retail shops like permanent stores, and the Lydians were minting

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<v Speaker 1>coinage way ahead of the rest of the Western world.

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<v Speaker 1>There is evidence of Chinese coinage that predates the Lydians,

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<v Speaker 1>although the coins that were minted specifically under Creasus more

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<v Speaker 1>closely resemble what we would think of today as coinage.

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<v Speaker 1>When Aliantes died in five sixty BCE, Cresus became king

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<v Speaker 1>and he was thirty five at the time. And Cresus was,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of people in his day, very into

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<v Speaker 1>using things like dreams and oracles to predict the future.

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<v Speaker 1>He had two sons, one of them is described again

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<v Speaker 1>by Herodotus as having a very minor disability, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is treated just horribly within the text, says quote. Since

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<v Speaker 1>he is ruined, he doesn't exist for me. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole side story about his son that I'm maybe

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<v Speaker 1>gonna save for our casual Friday chat. It's a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other son that he had, Adis, was much

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<v Speaker 1>beloved and was the king's pride. And when Cresus had

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<v Speaker 1>a dream that showed Adis being killed by an iron spear,

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<v Speaker 1>Crisus then did everything in his power to shelter his son.

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<v Speaker 1>He arranged for a speedy marriage to give him a

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<v Speaker 1>home life, and he stopped tasking him with going out

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<v Speaker 1>into battle, and he basically tried to keep him safe

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<v Speaker 1>and at home all the time. But ultimately Crisus did

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<v Speaker 1>allow Addis to go on a hunt, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>at his son's request and after much debate, because Adis

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of feeling like, hey, I don't have anything

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<v Speaker 1>to be proud of in our culture at this point

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<v Speaker 1>because you won't let me go to war and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even go outside the stinks. So he allowed him

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<v Speaker 1>to go on this hunt, and of course, an hunter's

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<v Speaker 1>spear missed the wild board that they were hunting and

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<v Speaker 1>killed Attis, and Creasus reportedly mourned this sun for two

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<v Speaker 1>full years. Lydia is usually cited as the first kingdom

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<v Speaker 1>to mint metal coinage. Under Creasus, the first silver and

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<v Speaker 1>gold coins for Lydia were made, And this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of reminding us a little bit of the many episodes

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<v Speaker 1>where we have talked about the gold standard being challenged

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<v Speaker 1>by the silver standard in the United States and how

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<v Speaker 1>much strife came out of all that those precious metals

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<v Speaker 1>were part of tender going all the way back to

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth century BCE. Yeah, and the coin type known

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<v Speaker 1>as a cresad, featuring a face off between a lion

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<v Speaker 1>and a bowl was developed during this time, and the

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<v Speaker 1>representation of the lion actually served as a means to

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<v Speaker 1>indicate the purity and the value of the coin. So

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<v Speaker 1>a smaller piece of the lion's body would be stamped

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<v Speaker 1>on a coin to indicate that that coin was a

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<v Speaker 1>smaller denomination than one with a larger, more complete image

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<v Speaker 1>of a lion. And the Lydians really made great strides

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<v Speaker 1>under creases in the purification of gold, enabling them to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure accuracy in these different coins. This is basically the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the gold standard, and the wealth was incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Another name that you've almost certainly heard in connection with

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous levels of riches as King Midas, and Crisus's very

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<v Speaker 1>great wealth is said to have come from Midas. In

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<v Speaker 1>a way, the Mermnad dynasty allegedly got its extraordinary riches

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<v Speaker 1>in part by collecting it from the river Pactulus, where

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<v Speaker 1>Midas is said to have washed his hands. There were

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<v Speaker 1>also some taxes plundering other kingdoms, including enslaving people from

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<v Speaker 1>those kingdoms. Yeah, they actually gained their riches in a

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<v Speaker 1>number of ways, but that Midas story is one that persists,

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<v Speaker 1>and what defines much of what we know of the

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<v Speaker 1>rule of Cresus is war. And it's said that conflict

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<v Speaker 1>was ultimately what brought Cresus out of his mourning state

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<v Speaker 1>over his son. Once he was refocused on military leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>Creesus was eager to expand his power, and he could

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<v Speaker 1>be ruthless in this quest. Herodotus wrote this of him,

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<v Speaker 1>quote this, Crisus was the first foreigner whom we know

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<v Speaker 1>who subjugated some Greeks and took tribute from them and

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<v Speaker 1>won the friendship of others, the former being the Ionians,

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<v Speaker 1>the Aeolians and the Dorians of Asia, and the latter

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<v Speaker 1>the Lacedaemonians. Before the reign of Cresus, all Greeks were

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<v Speaker 1>free for the Samerian host which invaded Ionia before his

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<v Speaker 1>time did not subjugate the cities that raided and robbed them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so keep in mind as we talk about Cresus, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's an interesting figure, but he was very big on

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<v Speaker 1>enslavement as something new that was not a tradition, that

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<v Speaker 1>was something he instituted in his war making. So we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned a moment ago that Cresus believed in oracles, but

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<v Speaker 1>he really wanted to run a test to ensure that

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<v Speaker 1>the oracle that he would patronize was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the best one. So Herodotus wrote that Crisus sent men

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<v Speaker 1>out to various shrines, but after they left the palace

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<v Speaker 1>at Sartis, they had to bide their time for one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred days, so they didn't know what Crisus was doing

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<v Speaker 1>before going to these shrines. And then on the one

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<v Speaker 1>hundredth day, each oracle was supposed to be asked to

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<v Speaker 1>divine what Crisus was doing at that very moment, and

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<v Speaker 1>then all of these messengers would bring back the divinations

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be obvious which oracle or oracles were

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<v Speaker 1>the real deal. The men who had visited the Oracle

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<v Speaker 1>of Delphi at the Temple of Apollo came back with

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<v Speaker 1>the following verse quote, I know the number of the

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<v Speaker 1>grains of sand and the extent of the sea, and

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<v Speaker 1>understand the mute and hear the voiceless. The smell has

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<v Speaker 1>come to my senses of a strong shelled tortoise boiling

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<v Speaker 1>in a cauldron, together with a lamb's flesh under witch's

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<v Speaker 1>bronze and overwitch's bronze. We don't know what any of

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<v Speaker 1>the others divined, because this one was apparently spot on.

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<v Speaker 1>Crisus said that the oracle of Amphiarus had also given

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<v Speaker 1>a quote true answer, but we don't know the wording

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<v Speaker 1>of what that answer specifically was. But in an effort

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<v Speaker 1>to concoct a strange enough event that it would be

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to guess what he had been doing, Crisus had

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<v Speaker 1>cut up a tortoise and a lamb and boiled them

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<v Speaker 1>together in a covered bronze cauldron. So let's move along

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<v Speaker 1>from that less than pleasant image and take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break and have a word from some of the sponsors

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<v Speaker 1>that keeps stuff you missed in history class going. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Crisus was devoted to the Oracle of Delphi after it

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<v Speaker 1>had successfully uh passed this test. He sacrificed literally thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of animals and burned almost every valuable thing he could

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<v Speaker 1>lay hands on. He also commanded the citizens of Lyddy

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<v Speaker 1>to do the same, and he sent so much gold

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<v Speaker 1>to the temple. There is a line in the translation

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<v Speaker 1>that I read that stated quote. Moreover, he dedicated his

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<v Speaker 1>own wife's necklaces and girdles, which I just found funny

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<v Speaker 1>as things to sacrifice to Apollo. So the goal of

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<v Speaker 1>all of these offerings was to ensure that Crisus got

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<v Speaker 1>good advice from the oracle regarding his military plans, and

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<v Speaker 1>the people he tasked with bringing his many gifts to

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<v Speaker 1>the temple were instructed to get this advice. Two points

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<v Speaker 1>came back. One was that if Criesus were to attack

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<v Speaker 1>the Persians, crossing a river to do so, he would

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<v Speaker 1>destroy a great empire, and two that he should make

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<v Speaker 1>friends with the most powerful Greeks. So, at this point

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<v Speaker 1>in time, the power of the Persians, led by Cyrus

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<v Speaker 1>the Second also known as Cyrus the Great, was expanding.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually talked at some length about Cyrus the Second

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<v Speaker 1>in our episode on the Achemenid Empire in twenty sixteen. Crisus,

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<v Speaker 1>of course wanted to curtail the expansion of the Persian Empire,

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<v Speaker 1>and he started a campaign of his own to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that Cyrus the Second's forces did not get close

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<v Speaker 1>to Lydia. So Crisus asked the oracle to once again

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<v Speaker 1>tell him the future. They sent messengers to Delphi to

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<v Speaker 1>ask if his reign would be a long one, and

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<v Speaker 1>the reply was quote, when the medics have a mule

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<v Speaker 1>as king, just then, tenderfooted Lydian by the stone, shrewn

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<v Speaker 1>hermus flee and do not stay, and do not be

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<v Speaker 1>ashamed to be a coward. Crisus took this pretty literally,

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<v Speaker 1>and he thought, well, a mule is never going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a king, so this must be telling me that

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<v Speaker 1>my rule is going to be very, very long, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of power ahead of me. So,

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<v Speaker 1>bolstered and confident, he continued his military campaigning. Over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of his rule, Crisus had attacked Ephesus, than Ionian cities,

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<v Speaker 1>than the cities of Aeolia. According to Herodotus, all all

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<v Speaker 1>of these attacks were based on some sort of reason,

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<v Speaker 1>and in his words quote, he found graver charges where

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<v Speaker 1>he could, but sometimes alleged very pettygrounds of offence. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the justified invasions were pretty lightly justified in some cases.

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<v Speaker 1>So next, Crisus set his sights on the islands of

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<v Speaker 1>Greece as a target, and he knew that he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to need to assemble a navy fleet to conquer them,

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<v Speaker 1>so he started up a shipbuilding project. But while this

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<v Speaker 1>was all under way, he was approached by a man

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<v Speaker 1>from the Lesbos capital of Middelein, whose name was either

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<v Speaker 1>Prianna or Pitcus, depending on the source that you read,

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<v Speaker 1>and this man told Crisus that the islanders were actually

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<v Speaker 1>amassing their own ground forces to attack Criesus at Sartis.

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<v Speaker 1>Crisus replied, essentially that he wished they would do that

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<v Speaker 1>because his troops would destroy the Islanders, who had no

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<v Speaker 1>experience in ground battle warfare. In response to this, the

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<v Speaker 1>emissary from Middelein pointed out that in starting a navy

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<v Speaker 1>from scratch, Cresus would be similarly disadvantaged if he tried

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<v Speaker 1>to take on the islander forces. So this put an

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<v Speaker 1>end to Crisus's navy project, and he opted instead to

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<v Speaker 1>form an alliance with the Ionian Islanders. This story cracks

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<v Speaker 1>me up back. Oh yeah, come at me on land,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, that's what we say about you coming

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<v Speaker 1>at us on sea. Dude, Yeah, you are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to manage this. During his time as king of Lydia,

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<v Speaker 1>Creesus eventually became the ruler of most of the nations

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<v Speaker 1>and peoples on the peninsula west of the Hallis River

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<v Speaker 1>that was the name of what is now known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Kaziller Mock River. Persians conquered the Median Empire in

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<v Speaker 1>five point fifty BCE, and this was a sobering event

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<v Speaker 1>for Creesus. It became immediately apparent that his own power

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<v Speaker 1>could also be challenged by the Persian forces. This led

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<v Speaker 1>him to try to fortify his own strength through an alliance,

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<v Speaker 1>and this goes back to that advice that he got

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<v Speaker 1>from the Oracle of Delphi, the most powerful Greek state.

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<v Speaker 1>So Crisus had already made an alliance with Amasus, the

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<v Speaker 1>king of Egypt, and he also got the Lacedaemonians and

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<v Speaker 1>then the Spartans, which he believed to be the most

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<v Speaker 1>powerful Greek state, to agree to stand with him. But

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<v Speaker 1>Crisus was not really content with waiting to see what

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<v Speaker 1>would happen with the Persians and getting all of these

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<v Speaker 1>alliances arranged, and he was very impatient, so he just

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<v Speaker 1>decided that he would go right on ahead and invade Anatolia.

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<v Speaker 1>He decided to invade Anatolia, specifically Cappadocia in the eastern

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<v Speaker 1>part of the territory, and that meant he had to

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<v Speaker 1>cross the Hallas River. And the battle that ensued at

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<v Speaker 1>Teria was not what anybody had hoped. It sort of

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<v Speaker 1>ended in a draw. After Teria, Criesus wanted to regroup,

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<v Speaker 1>so he had summoned all of those groups that he

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<v Speaker 1>had allied with to join him in the springtime, five

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<v Speaker 1>months after he sent these messages out to them, so

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<v Speaker 1>that they would have time to assemble their armies and

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<v Speaker 1>travel after the winter, and so then he took his

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<v Speaker 1>own troops and headed back to Sardis. But apparently he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize that Cyrus the second and his Persian troops

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<v Speaker 1>had followed him home. When Sartis was attacked by Persia,

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<v Speaker 1>it came just as a complete surprise to Creesus. The

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<v Speaker 1>Lydians scrambled to meet the Persians in battle, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to Herodotus, Cyrus was afraid of the Lydians, but on

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<v Speaker 1>the advice of a Median who was with him, Cyrus

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<v Speaker 1>put his cavalry on the pack camels. The camels drove

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<v Speaker 1>back the Lydian horses because apparently the horses were afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of the camels and their smell, and they retreated even

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<v Speaker 1>as their riders tried to move them forward into battle.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lydian army was forced to fight on foot, and

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately they were defeated by the Persians. Cresus sent word

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<v Speaker 1>to his allies to come and help, but efforts at

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<v Speaker 1>assistants were not enough or came too late. Criesus was

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<v Speaker 1>taken captive, and Sardis was taken by the Persians after

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks of this conflict. So when the Oracle of

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<v Speaker 1>Delphi had told Cries about crossing a river and destroying

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<v Speaker 1>a kingdom, oops, that was his own kingdom that would

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<v Speaker 1>be destroyed. And that story of the mule leading the

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<v Speaker 1>may DAEs empire. Cyrus the Second was half may Days

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<v Speaker 1>and half Persian, the child of two different groups of people,

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<v Speaker 1>So the mule reference was kind of a casual like

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<v Speaker 1>slurry representation. Cresus had in his literalism in interpreting all

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<v Speaker 1>of these words of the oracle, failed to catch any

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<v Speaker 1>of the actual meaning in the oracle's words. We will

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the varied accounts of the end of Creesus's

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<v Speaker 1>life after we pause and have a quick sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 1>In five point forty six BCE, with his defeat by

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<v Speaker 1>Cyrus the Second and the Persian army, the reign of

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<v Speaker 1>Cresus ended. But what happened after this invasion is something

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<v Speaker 1>that again is a little unclear, and that's because there

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<v Speaker 1>are a number of different versions of the story. The Chylides,

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<v Speaker 1>a poet from Greece, tells the story and the odes

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<v Speaker 1>of the Epenetians that Crisus built his own funeral pyre

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<v Speaker 1>and then tried to burn himself to death on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was, according to his writing, unsuccessful, because the

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<v Speaker 1>gods intervened before Criesus actually met his final end. Yes

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<v Speaker 1>in that history, it's written quote when he had come

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<v Speaker 1>to that unexpected day, Crisus had no intention of waiting

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<v Speaker 1>any longer for the tears of slavery. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>pyre built before his bronze walled courtyard, and he mounted

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<v Speaker 1>the pyre with his dear wife and his daughters with

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful hair. They were weeping inconsolably. He raised his arms

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<v Speaker 1>to the steep sky and shouted, overweening deity, where is

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<v Speaker 1>the gratitude of the gods? Where is Lord Apollo. So

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<v Speaker 1>just as Criesus had gotten a trusted servant to really

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<v Speaker 1>get the flames going, and as his wife and daughters

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<v Speaker 1>were looking on in tears, the Dao six machina arrives quote.

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<v Speaker 1>But when the flashing force of terrible fire began to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot through the wood, Zeus set a dark rain cloud

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<v Speaker 1>over it and began to quench the golden flame. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>is unbelievable, which is brought about by the god's ambition.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Apollo shows up, scoops up Creasus and his family,

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<v Speaker 1>and carries them north to Hyperborea, the land of the Giants,

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<v Speaker 1>where they could live safely. So we know that this

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<v Speaker 1>particular version of the story became an important part of

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<v Speaker 1>Greek lore. This moment is represented on a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>art in the louver decorated by Mason, a painter who

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<v Speaker 1>decorated vases in Athens using what is known as red

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<v Speaker 1>figure technique, and Maison's work on the vase that depicts

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<v Speaker 1>this particular subject is dated in the five hundred to

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<v Speaker 1>four ninety BCE range, so we're talking fifty to sixty

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<v Speaker 1>years after Criesus's defeat would have happened. This vase shows

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<v Speaker 1>Crisus sitting on a throne, pouring out a libation onto

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<v Speaker 1>the servant Utamos, while Eutamos is lighting the pyre that

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<v Speaker 1>the throne has been placed upon. There's an inscription on

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<v Speaker 1>the vase that specifically names the king in the image

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<v Speaker 1>as Creesus, so it's not a case of like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this could be Cresus. The opposite side of the vase

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<v Speaker 1>has a totally different and unrelated scene showing theseus abducting

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<v Speaker 1>the Amazon and Tiape. If you're ever in Paris and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see it, it is part of the Greek,

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<v Speaker 1>Etruscan and Roman Antiquities collection and is on the first

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<v Speaker 1>floor in the celly wing room six fifty two. So

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<v Speaker 1>after this happened and Creesus was saved by the gods,

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<v Speaker 1>the story goes that Criesus became an ally of the

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<v Speaker 1>leader who followed Cyrus that was Kimbici's the second, and

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<v Speaker 1>along with Cambises, the second, Creesus in this version, then

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<v Speaker 1>traveled to Egypt. That is not the only version of

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<v Speaker 1>this story where Creesus ends up friends with his former

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<v Speaker 1>enemy state. The Persian doctor Cetisius, who was born in Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote an account that suggests that Creesus actually became part

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<v Speaker 1>of Cyrus's court and eventually rose to a point of

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<v Speaker 1>good enough standing that he was appointed governor of Burini.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of what makes the Creasus story so tricky to

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<v Speaker 1>unravel is the fact that he was such a big

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<v Speaker 1>figure culturally that people essentially started writing fan fiction about him,

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<v Speaker 1>and now when we reference it hundreds of years later,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little hard to know which is fan fiction versus,

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<v Speaker 1>which is actual historical record. And we mentioned one version

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<v Speaker 1>of his faith that was written by Herodotus just a

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<v Speaker 1>moment ago, but that was not the only writing that

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<v Speaker 1>Herodotus did featuring Creases as a protagonist. And another story

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<v Speaker 1>by Herodotus Crisus met with Solon, the lawmaker of Athens,

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<v Speaker 1>whose life ended just as Crisus's reign was starting. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is really a parable about values and happiness. There's

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<v Speaker 1>really no evidence that any of it actually took place

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<v Speaker 1>in the story. Solon, like a lot of important men

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, decided to visit Cresus when the Lydian

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<v Speaker 1>king was at the height of his power. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>actually sort of a fun side story here about why

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<v Speaker 1>Solon the lawmaker would have been out and about traveling.

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of, you know, justifies how this may have

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<v Speaker 1>worked in the writing of Herodotus. So this travel was

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<v Speaker 1>part of a ten year trip. The idea was that

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<v Speaker 1>once Solon had made all of the laws that he

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<v Speaker 1>believed Athens needed to be a fair and just society,

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<v Speaker 1>he promised to stay away from Athens for ten years

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<v Speaker 1>so that he would not be tempted to change or

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<v Speaker 1>repeal any of those laws. Athens wanted to live by

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<v Speaker 1>this set of laws that Solin had carefully penned, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they promised to do so, and they were not

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<v Speaker 1>themselves allowed to make any changes. An interesting governmental experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>to be sure, And yes, Solin is certainly on my

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<v Speaker 1>list for his own episode one day. No telling when

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<v Speaker 1>that might happen in any case. After receiving sullen, Cresus

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<v Speaker 1>basically spent the whole visit entertaining his visitor and then

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<v Speaker 1>making the household staff point out all the expensive things

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<v Speaker 1>that Cresus had just lying around the palace so that

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<v Speaker 1>Solan would understand just how rich and successful the king was.

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<v Speaker 1>And after this little exercise in wealth, show and tell

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<v Speaker 1>creases at soulan quote, my Athenian guest, we have heard

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about you because of your wisdom and of

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<v Speaker 1>your wanderings. How As one who loves learning, you have

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<v Speaker 1>traveled much of the world for the sake of seeing it.

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<v Speaker 1>So now I desire to ask you who is the

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<v Speaker 1>most fortunate man you have seen? And of course the

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<v Speaker 1>king expected that the lawmaker was going to say, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's you, for sure, dude. You have everything like there's

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<v Speaker 1>no reason anybody could ever be any happier than you,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did not say that. Solan instead named an

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<v Speaker 1>Athenian called Tellus as the most fortunate man he knew.

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<v Speaker 1>King Criesus asked for an explanation of Solan's answer, and

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<v Speaker 1>the lawmaker told him that Tellus had been part of

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<v Speaker 1>a prosperous city, a good community, and that he had

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<v Speaker 1>children who grew up to be good people and all

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<v Speaker 1>gave him grandchildren, and that all of his progeny survived,

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<v Speaker 1>and then once Tellas died in battle against the people

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<v Speaker 1>of Eleusis, it was a good and honorable death, and

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<v Speaker 1>that he was honored in his burial. So, after hearing this,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently hoping that he would get a second place spot,

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<v Speaker 1>then asked Solan who he thought was the next most

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<v Speaker 1>fortunate man, and Solan gave two men's names in answer,

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<v Speaker 1>Klebus and Biton of Argive. These two brothers had a

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<v Speaker 1>stable home life, they were physically very strong, and they

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<v Speaker 1>both died after pulling their mother in a wagon five

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<v Speaker 1>miles to the festival of Hara in Argos, as the

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<v Speaker 1>oxen that were intended to convey her were not back

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<v Speaker 1>from the fields in time to do so. Before Klebus

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<v Speaker 1>and Biton died. Everyone present commented that their mother had

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<v Speaker 1>raised great children, and then she prayed to Hara to

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<v Speaker 1>grant her sons the best thing for a man, and

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<v Speaker 1>they both died in their sleep that night after the

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<v Speaker 1>evening's feast. Here's how Herodotus renders the speech about this quote. Crisus,

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<v Speaker 1>you ask me about human affairs, and I know that

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<v Speaker 1>the divine is entirely grudging and troublesome to us. Crisus,

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<v Speaker 1>man is entirely chance to me, you seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>very rich and be king of many people. But I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot answer your question before I learn that you ended

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<v Speaker 1>your life well. He explains in the story that wealth

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<v Speaker 1>is not what leads to happiness, and that one should

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<v Speaker 1>focus instead on good fortune in a more expansive sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So the advice that Solan allegedly gave to Creesus was quote,

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<v Speaker 1>count no man happy until his death. That story actually

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<v Speaker 1>feeds into a version of the tale of Cyrus having

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<v Speaker 1>creases burned alive, in which Cresus has a moment of

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<v Speaker 1>revelation related to Solan's teaching as he is being executed.

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<v Speaker 1>In this version, as Crisus begins to call out Solan's name.

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<v Speaker 1>While on the pyre, Cyrus asks why that was the

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<v Speaker 1>name he invoked, and he was moved by Criesus's realization

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<v Speaker 1>that wealth was meaningless in that moment. Cresus, then released

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<v Speaker 1>from his execution by Cyrus, then asks Cyrus what is

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers are doing. When Cyrus responds that they are sacking

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<v Speaker 1>the city, Creasus tells him, well, it's your city now,

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<v Speaker 1>they're destroying your kingdom, not mine, And then this leads

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<v Speaker 1>to the whole Now where best friends come hang out

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<v Speaker 1>in my court business. In this version, Cyrus the second

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<v Speaker 1>also says he will grant Crisus a request, any request,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the former king asked that his chains be

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<v Speaker 1>taken to Delphi, and that the Pithia be asked why

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<v Speaker 1>Apollo should have him sent to attack Persia since it

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<v Speaker 1>doomed him, and the oracle replied that quote, no one

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<v Speaker 1>may escape his lot, not even a god. Crisus has

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<v Speaker 1>paid for the sin of his ancestor of the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>generation before, who was led by the guile of a

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<v Speaker 1>woman to kill his master. Yeah, things he had no

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<v Speaker 1>part in. He was still paying for for the family dues,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was the whole thing. Ultimately in that story,

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<v Speaker 1>I should point out Crisus does kind of take personal

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility and recognize like, oh, I was the one that

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<v Speaker 1>got the information and acted on it. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>All of these stories of creases being saved at the

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<v Speaker 1>last minute are considered these days to be simply useful

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<v Speaker 1>didactic tale, and some versions of the story actually just

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<v Speaker 1>say that Criesus was killed when Lydia was defeated. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are like translations that have been done by other cultures,

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<v Speaker 1>not not the ones that would be descendants of the Lydians.

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<v Speaker 1>For example. The boring reality is that Crisus kind of

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<v Speaker 1>vanishes from the historical record after the fall of Lydia,

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<v Speaker 1>although his grandson Pytheas does show up later in the

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<v Speaker 1>work of Herodotus. He is also very wealthy, although he

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<v Speaker 1>gets in some very serious and ugly trouble with Xerxes,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is a whole other thing. As for Lydia,

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<v Speaker 1>it became a satrope under a Tabolus, but its treasury

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<v Speaker 1>money kept being managed by a Lydian, which was Pactius.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you play Assassin's Creed, that name may be

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<v Speaker 1>familiar to you as a newcomer to assassin's creed. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not in fact familiar to me. Yet with the leverage

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<v Speaker 1>of that Satrapi's wealth, Pactius was able to hire Greek

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<v Speaker 1>mercenaries in a move to revolt against Persian rule, and

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<v Speaker 1>that ultimately led up to the Persian Wars Oh crisis. Fascinating,

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<v Speaker 1>but I always got to remember, even in the stories,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where it's like, and then he realized that

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<v Speaker 1>living in life is better, and I'm like, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to address this slavery problem. Well never, it never

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<v Speaker 1>gets addressed. Also, there's a lot of stuff and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of historical accounts from this time period that really

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to follow literary convention to a point that you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's probably a little embellished. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>made a good yarn, but probably not. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to, you know, invalidate anybody's belief system, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do not believe that Zeus made a rain cloud

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<v Speaker 1>go just over creases as hire. Yeah. Maybe I know,

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<v Speaker 1>only that I know nothing. Thanks so much for joining

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