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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Welcome to Breaking Points. Ryan Graham, great

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Speaker 2: to have you, my friends.

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Speaker 3: Always lovely to be here, Lovely little.

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Speaker 2: Commy takeover this morning has promised lots to get to.

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Speaker 4: For sure.

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Speaker 2: We've got actually thanks to our friend Ken Clippenstein's new

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Speaker 2: details about this shooter at the Ice facility yesterday that

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Speaker 2: ended up killing one migrant and critically wounding two others,

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Speaker 2: So we'll break all of that down for you as

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Speaker 2: far as we know at this point. We've also got

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Speaker 2: some new moves from the Trump administry to charge, Jim

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Speaker 2: Comey and Letitia James a lot going on there, breakdown

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Speaker 2: those details for you. We're going to have a live

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Speaker 2: report from that Gaza AID flotilla. Actually, one of Ryan's

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Speaker 2: us and give us an update as they have been

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Speaker 2: under attack. We got another Ryan special for you. Actually

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Speaker 2: met with the President of Iran while he was in

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Speaker 2: New York, so you've got some details for us there, right.

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Speaker 5: Well, I wasn't here yesterday, so yeah, we can break

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Speaker 5: down how they're feeling about the fact that they're about

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Speaker 5: to get attacked again for no reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that will be really interesting to hear

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Speaker 2: from you on that. We're also tracking story out of

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Speaker 2: North Carolina with potential national implications.

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Speaker 4: Ryan and Zager.

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Speaker 2: Covered earlier this week the way that electricity prices are

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Speaker 2: skyrocketing in part because of the expansion of these AI

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Speaker 2: data centers. Well in North Carolina, they're now trying to

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Speaker 2: move legislation to make sure consumers are bearing the additional

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Speaker 2: costs of these AI data centers. So this is something

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Speaker 2: you definitely want to pay attention to. And then sticking

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Speaker 2: with the AI theme, we have an expert joining us

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Speaker 2: with a dire warning as dire a warning as you

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Speaker 2: could possibly get from his book. If anybody builds it,

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Speaker 2: everyone dies. I just actually finished listening to this book

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Speaker 2: this morning. I was telling you, Ryan, and it's fairly persuasive,

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Speaker 2: and it is deeply terrifying.

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Speaker 3: I would rather not be persuaded of that premise.

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Speaker 2: Maybe skip this book then, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: maybe skip this book because I've read.

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Speaker 3: A bit about it and it's suddenly, oh god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can see all the like near term

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Speaker 2: effects of the use of the water and the skyrocketing

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Speaker 2: and electricity prices and all of these, and the consolidation

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Speaker 2: is even bleaker, which is basically the ne of humanity.

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Speaker 2: So some uplifting content there at the end.

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Speaker 3: Well, the memes keep getting made even after we're all gone.

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Speaker 2: After the apocalypse. Will the super intelligence make memes? Probably so,

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Speaker 2: But things in AI language that if we were here, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Real tragedy here. That's all right.

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Speaker 2: get to what we know about this shooter yesterday in Texas,

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Speaker 2: targeting a Dallas ice facility. Three migrants worst shot. One

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Speaker 2: That's the latest we know this morning. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 7: What I can confirm you for you is no members

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Speaker 8: There are people out there who are seeing what is

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Speaker 9: They're doing acts of violence against ICE employees. Your political

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Speaker 9: opponents are not Nazis. We need to learn to work

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Speaker 2: So Ted Cruz moving there immediately to make a political point.

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Speaker 2: You heard them say there that they found bullets that

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Speaker 2: this morning, just before seven am local time, and individual

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Speaker 2: While the investigation is ongoing, an initial review of the

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Speaker 2: evidence shows an ideological motive behind this ATTAXI photo below

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Speaker 2: and that's of the bullet casing saying anti Ice. One

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Speaker 2: of the unspent shell casings recovered was engrangraved with the

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Speaker 2: politically motivated attacks against law enforcement are not a one off.

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Speaker 2: We are only miles from Prairie Land, Texas. Just two

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Speaker 2: months ago, bless you, Ryan, and an individual ambushed a

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Speaker 4: It has to end.

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Speaker 2: The FBI and our partners will lead the investigative efforts

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Speaker 2: to see to it that those who target our law

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Speaker 2: I've been briefed on the deadly shooting at the ICE

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Speaker 2: the durined shooter wrote anti ICE on his shell casings.

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Speaker 4: This is despicable.

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Speaker 2: The brave men and women of ICE are just trying

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Speaker 2: unprecedent an increase in threats, violence, and attacks by deranged

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Speaker 2: radical leftists. This violence is the result of the radical

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Speaker 2: Kirk's asassination must be stopped. ICE officers and other brave

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Speaker 2: members of law enforcement are undergrave threat. We have already

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Speaker 2: declared Antifa a terrorist organization. I'll be signing executive order

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Speaker 2: this week to dismantle these domestic terror networks. I am

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Speaker 2: calling on all Democrats to stop this rhetoric against ICE

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 2: Trump administration is fully committed to backing law enforcement, strong

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Speaker 2: our country. Thank you for your attention to this matter. So, Ryan, obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know, the national mood is quite fraught at the moment.

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Speaker 2: You just had the assassination live that we all watched

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Speaker 2: with horror of Charlie Kirk. You have the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: He references there the Antifa terror organization, terror terror designation

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Speaker 2: but whatever. Now he's floating another executive order to dismantle

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Speaker 2: this new shooting into that narrative to further justify this power. Rod.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And the problem for Trump is that there's no

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Speaker 5: evidence that you know, quote unquote any networks or any

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Speaker 5: progressive Soros run right institutions you know, had anything to

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Speaker 3: And disrupt We found their funders, funding their leaders. We're

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Speaker 5: They're breaking the law, they're trying to run a little

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Speaker 5: And what's interesting and is a caveat for his reporting

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Speaker 3: It's like a.

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Speaker 5: Write coded, irony laden nihilistic den of young young men.

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Speaker 5: That's where edge lords gather and they say edgy things,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so people stopped suffering.

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Speaker 4: Him, which is why.

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Speaker 2: And they even say, like, if you're having trouble finding

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Speaker 5: And so so how does he go from there?

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Speaker 3: And then so when everybody.

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Speaker 5: Saw the shell casings that Crystal put up earlier that

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Speaker 3: Like really, this is utterly absurd.

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Speaker 5: First of all, left wing people don't say anti Ice, right,

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Speaker 5: they say f Ice, abolish Ice something like that.

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Speaker 5: And in the end of it, though, our attempt to

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Speaker 4: And troll with the bullet case.

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Speaker 5: A lockdown like this this kid suffered through, you know,

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Speaker 2: But he's more inclined to go in the direction of,

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Speaker 4: Like the whole world has the Internet.

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Speaker 2: Many Asian cultures are much more game addicted than we are,

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Speaker 5: To me, one of the only explanations, well, first of all,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not have a gun. His brother says he

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Speaker 2: What the culture says to men is like you're a

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Speaker 4: Deal with this.

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Speaker 2: This is this sort of widespread cultural social phenomenon, and

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Speaker 2: trying to apparently achieve with these random acts of violence.

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Speaker 2: And so the sort of school shooter phenomenon may be

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Speaker 2: expanding now into these like political assassinations and political attacks,

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Speaker 2: and that the profile of these sort of killers looks

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Speaker 2: actually very similar to the you know, the typical school

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Speaker 2: shooter kind of profile.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and he was twenty nine years old, which is

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Speaker 5: actually getting a little on the older side. Yeah, for

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Speaker 5: these for these shooters. Yeah, but again, you know, five

446
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Speaker 5: years of the pandemic. You know, I think up ends

447
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Speaker 5: upended a lot of people, you know, who are now

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Speaker 5: twenty nine. He's twenty four when he goes into it.

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Speaker 5: Now he's now he's twenty nine, and as his friend said,

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Speaker 5: over the last several years, like he became a yeah,

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Speaker 5: completely obnoxious. Yeah, God, but I think you're exactly right that,

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Speaker 5: like the phenomenon that we've understood for twenty years of

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Speaker 5: the school shooter type is moving into other types of

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Speaker 5: things now. The school shooter maulter and you know Dallas

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Speaker 5: is only it was twenty sixteen when.

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Speaker 3: That when the guy shot what.

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Speaker 5: Six killed six police officers, five or six police officers

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Speaker 5: remember that this giant shootout. Yeah, that's twenty sixteen in Dallas,

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Speaker 5: which again, like if that happened one time in France,

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Speaker 5: you know, it'd be like they'd remember it for one

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Speaker 5: hundred years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and try to do something about it, whereas we

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Speaker 2: know no one's going to do anything about it. Another

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Speaker 2: factor that I think has to be added to the

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Speaker 2: mix is obviously, like mental illness knows no national boundaries,

466
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Speaker 2: but we have a vast amount of untreated mental illness here,

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Speaker 2: both because of cultural stigma around seeking help and a

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Speaker 2: lack of universal healthcare and a lot you know, insufficient

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Speaker 2: amount of you know, in patient beds and mental health

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Speaker 2: resources more generally for people. So I think that's part

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Speaker 2: of it too. So you know, in any case, let

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Speaker 2: me just put up these last few pieces that we

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Speaker 2: have about what we know regarding regarding Joshua jan put

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Speaker 2: a five up on the screen, so he also in

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Speaker 2: addition to the anti ice engraved bullet casing, we also

476
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Speaker 2: have this bizarre map that was stuck to the outside

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Speaker 2: of his car that showed radioactive.

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Speaker 4: Fallout across the US.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that's all about, but in any case,

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Speaker 2: that you know, I mean, it feels like something a

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Speaker 2: schizophrenic would like send to one of our houses, frankly,

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Speaker 2: but in any case, that's one of the things that

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Speaker 2: they found.

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Speaker 4: As well.

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Speaker 2: We've got we could put the next piece up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. I mentioned his brother again, early days of

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Speaker 2: finding out what this, you know, to the best we

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Speaker 2: can possibly understand what was going on with Joshua Jan

489
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Speaker 2: in the days and years leading up to this murder spray,

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Speaker 2: the brother says, I don't think he was politically interested.

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Speaker 2: Talking to NBC News, he wasn't interested in politics on

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Speaker 2: either side as far as I knew, didn't have strong

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Speaker 2: feelings about Ice, as far as I knew he did.

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Speaker 4: This is important to know.

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Speaker 2: He did vote, and everybody's of course going to look

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Speaker 2: at the social media profile and what can we glean

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Speaker 2: about this guy. He voted in Texas's Democratic primary in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. That's the only record that we have of

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Speaker 2: him voting in any election, So it was in a

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Speaker 2: Democratic primary. The brother also said that Joshua Jan knew

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Speaker 2: how to shoot. Their parents owned a rifle, but that

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Speaker 2: Joshua was not a skilled shooter. Apparently he lived and

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Speaker 2: you know, was born and raised in a suburb of Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Joshua was interested in moving to property his parents owned

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Speaker 2: in Oklahoma. The brother said, quote, he's not a marksman.

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Speaker 2: He would not be able to make any show like that.

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Speaker 2: Photos of the rifle rounds they said found near Joshua's

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Speaker 2: body suggests to use an antique rifle chamber in a

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Speaker 2: high power round similar to the gun that was used

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Speaker 2: to kill Charlie Kirk, and if it was before a

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Speaker 2: certain date, it would not have had a serial number.

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Speaker 2: That was one of the things that we learned about

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Speaker 2: the rifle that was used to murder Charlie Kirk is

514
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Speaker 2: that it was like his grandpa's rifle, you know, potentially

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Speaker 2: like World War two era rifle, and did not have

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Speaker 2: serial numbers because it predated the law that required serial

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Speaker 2: numbers on these firearms.

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Speaker 5: And the shooting itself lends credence to what his brother

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Speaker 5: is saying, and also to what all of his friends

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Speaker 5: are saying that he like if you're saying, like he's

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Speaker 5: not a good shot, but also be didn't have strong

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Speaker 5: feeling actually have strong feelings about ice or anything. That

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Speaker 5: he fired into the building itself just indiscriminately and did

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Speaker 5: not hit or hurt anybody inside the building.

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Speaker 3: He then fired on a van that was just on

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Speaker 3: the street.

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Speaker 5: It was one of these transport vans where they're moving

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Speaker 5: detainees migrants. Yeah, and that's where he struck three people,

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Speaker 5: killing one and critically wounding two. So right, it's he's

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Speaker 5: so just in his mind, he's just on this roof

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Speaker 5: for and he's just looking down. He's aims at a

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Speaker 5: aims at a van, and aims at an entire building,

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Speaker 5: which which kind of does align with the idea that

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Speaker 5: it's that he's just creating a spectacle. Yeah, that there's

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Speaker 5: that there's there's no real plan here.

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Speaker 2: I think you know a lot of people who are

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Speaker 2: on the right in our audience and elsewhere will look

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Speaker 2: at this and say, you guys are coping the bullet,

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Speaker 2: says anti Ice, Like you just don't want it to

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Speaker 2: be one of yours, and so you're making up all

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Speaker 2: this like nihilist edge floored stuff, And that certainly the

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Speaker 2: direction that the administration is going in. We showed you

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Speaker 2: a little bit of Ted Cruz that were instantly at

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Speaker 2: the press conference, and Jane Vance also gave a speech yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and you know, also using these killings and claiming that,

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Speaker 2: you know, left wing violence is out of control and

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Speaker 2: we're going to crack down and going directly after Yavin

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Speaker 2: Newsom in particular. Let's go ahead and take a listen

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Speaker 2: to A seven.

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Speaker 10: Because here's what happens when Democrats like Gavin Newsom did

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Speaker 10: say that these people are part of an authoritarian government.

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Speaker 10: When the left wing media lies about what they're doing,

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Speaker 10: when they lie about who they're arresting, when they lie

554
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Speaker 10: about the actual job of law enforcement, what they're doing

555
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Speaker 10: is encouraging crazy people to go and commit violence. You

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Speaker 10: don't have to agree with my immigration policies, you don't

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Speaker 10: have to agree with Donald Trump's immigration policies, but if

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Speaker 10: your political rhetoric encourages violence against our law enforcement, you

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Speaker 10: can go straight to hell and you have no place

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Speaker 10: in the political conversation of the United States of America.

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Speaker 2: So Ryan, for me, I'm very worried about the underlying

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Speaker 2: trend of these killings, and I'm also very worried about

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Speaker 2: what this government is going to use these ca in

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Speaker 2: order to effectuate. And it won't be the first time

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Speaker 2: that either one of us has lived through some sort

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Speaker 2: of a you know, authoritarian crackdown in service of quote

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Speaker 2: unquote safety. And look, these people, Stephen Miller, J d Vance,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, they make no bones about the fact that

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Speaker 2: they they view anyone left of center as their political

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Speaker 2: opponents to be crushed and have made it a habit.

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Speaker 2: Like the storyline of this administration is using either real

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Speaker 2: or imagined emergencies in order to grab more and more power.

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Speaker 2: We already have the Antifa executive order. There's apparently some

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Speaker 2: other executive order coming out. Ken has been reporting about

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Speaker 2: the way that they're you know, creating new categories of

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Speaker 2: quote unquote domestic extremism. So you know that is that

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Speaker 2: is the landscape that we're in right now. And of

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Speaker 2: course we also covered this week the speech crackdown on

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel and the fallout from that.

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Speaker 4: I will say I'm very heartened that the backlash to.

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Speaker 2: That actually ended up having some teeth and ABC Disney

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Speaker 2: felt pressure enough to bring him back on air, and

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Speaker 2: they are apparently putting pressure on both Sinclaire and Next

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Speaker 2: Door to stop preempting his programming as well. I think

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Speaker 2: the fact that you had that gross's push back and

586
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Speaker 2: it was successful is a really important development. But what

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Speaker 2: do you make of the administration's approach.

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Speaker 11: Here is JD.

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Speaker 3: Vance listening to himself.

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Speaker 5: He's saying, if you're somebody who is going to use

591
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Speaker 5: disturbing rhetoric about the other side, you can go to

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Speaker 5: hell and you have no place in our policy.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what right? Like? What like? What do you like?

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Speaker 11: What do you?

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Speaker 3: What are you? What are you talking about here? Like that?

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Speaker 5: And I feel like with him, go to hell like

597
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Speaker 5: and this is not a guy, this is not a

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Speaker 5: poster on fortune.

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Speaker 3: This is a vice president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he is intelligent enough that he says

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Speaker 2: things like that that he knows you and I will

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Speaker 2: lose our minds over like you literally just said don't

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Speaker 2: do the violent rhetoric, and then you.

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Speaker 3: Did the violent the hell you have no place in

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Speaker 3: our policy.

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Speaker 2: I think he and Steven Miller both do that intentionally

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Speaker 2: to quote unquote trigger us. But I mean, I do

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Speaker 2: like it's in some I don't know if it's the

609
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Speaker 2: least important point, but on the politics of this, I

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Speaker 2: do wonder if Republicans are going to get what they

611
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Speaker 2: want out of this when I don't think the Republican

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Speaker 2: Party led by Donald Trump is exactly known for their

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Speaker 2: like mild mild, careful rhetoric, civility, attention to detail, and

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Speaker 2: accuracy in all things like, that's not really what they're

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Speaker 2: known for at this point. So, but they really are

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Speaker 2: trying to apply this double standard of like we can

617
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Speaker 2: call you fascists, we can call you commis, we can

618
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Speaker 2: say your evil literal demons who should be destroyed, and

619
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Speaker 2: like go straight to hell. But you can't, you know,

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Speaker 2: accurately describe what we're doing if you call us authoritarians

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Speaker 2: while we're doing an authoritarian crackdown, while you just want

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Speaker 2: us to be murdered.

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Speaker 5: And so, if the Democratic Party did not exist, which

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Speaker 5: for all intents and purposes nowadays it actually doesn't, if

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Speaker 5: there was no national media whatsoever, what the public would

626
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Speaker 5: still see would be the social media posts and the

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Speaker 5: press conferences put together by this administration, which includes routine

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Speaker 5: ASMR videos of people in handcuffs and chains, which includes

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Speaker 5: multiple members of the administration and in Congress standing in

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Speaker 5: front of human beings stacked on top of each other

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Speaker 5: in that torture chamber down in El Salvador, which includes

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Speaker 5: street footage of a female student Ramesa os Turk in Somerville,

633
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Speaker 5: Massachusetts getting dragged off the streets and shoved into a

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Speaker 5: band by masked agents, which includes all of the videos

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Speaker 5: we've seen of people of all of the violence that's

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Speaker 5: taking place all over the country, like that National Guard,

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Speaker 5: and we would see all of that without a single

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Speaker 5: Democrat saying the F word or the G word, without

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Speaker 5: the media talking about it, like and the final was

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Speaker 5: this this kid yan yan uh. He's not the type

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Speaker 5: that cares what Democrats say like he does like he

642
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Speaker 5: obviously hates Democrats and Republicans.

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Speaker 4: You don't think this was he was inspired by Gavin.

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Speaker 5: News news Yes, he's a giant Gavin Newsom fan. And

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Speaker 5: when when Gavin Newsom speaks, you know he marches.

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Speaker 2: I mean Democrats literally don't inspire anyone, right, the killer

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Speaker 2: or non so right.

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Speaker 3: So there is a reality.

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Speaker 5: And jay Van says, well you can you can disagree

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Speaker 5: with our immigration policy. Okay, well, like what words are

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Speaker 5: you allowed to use to disagree with it?

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Speaker 3: And you know, but it clearly has become like a

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Speaker 3: main thing.

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Speaker 5: So if you're if this, if this kid is looking

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Speaker 5: for some spectacle of twenty nine year old kid is

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Speaker 5: looking for some spectacle, you know, the big thing is

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Speaker 5: particularly in Dallas.

658
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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's ice everywhere.

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, if that's what they're looking for as attention,

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Speaker 5: so I would just say, like I would caution people

661
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Speaker 5: in assuming that like any of these types of people

662
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Speaker 5: have any respect whatsoever for Democrats and care what they

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Speaker 5: say about ice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what I said.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to this next

666
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Speaker 2: piece about Komi because this is I think pretty important.

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Speaker 2: So just to back up for a second, Sagur and

668
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Speaker 2: I covered previously that the US Attorney for the Eastern

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Speaker 2: District of Virginia, which is probably one of the most

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Speaker 2: important jurisdictions in the country. It's right here across the river.

671
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: They do all kinds of national security cases, et cetera.

672
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: In any case, that US attorney, who was hand picked

673
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: by Trump was forced down seemingly because he would not

674
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Speaker 2: bring spurious cases against Trump's enemies. We also had which

675
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: we also covered, Trump posting to true social.

676
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: Message that paps accidentally that appeared.

677
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Speaker 2: Like maybe he meant to send it directly to Pam Bonnie,

678
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: but he posted it openly basically saying like you got

679
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: to go after comy, you got to go after shift,

680
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: you got.

681
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Speaker 4: To go after Letitia James or this woman, Lindsay, what's

682
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Speaker 4: going on?

683
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Speaker 2: We're bringing in this woman, Lindsay, she's really great, et cetera.

684
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Speaker 2: So putting direct pressure in public, whether it was meant

685
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Speaker 2: to be or not on Pam Bondy. I mean, look,

686
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: in another world this would be impeachment worthy, and I

687
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: mean truly, it genuinely would be. And instead we're like,

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Speaker 2: you know, ten news cycles later. In any case, so

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Speaker 2: US attorney go ahead.

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Speaker 5: The Saturay night massacre, yeah, which which was for fifty years,

691
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 5: the biggest political scandal in this country was when Nixon

692
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Speaker 5: fired some Justice Department officials because they weren't doing what

693
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Speaker 5: he wanted. And it was a decades long, cataclysmic constitutional rupture. Yes,

694
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Speaker 5: and it was nowhere near as bad as what Trump

695
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Speaker 5: was doing.

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Speaker 2: Right, Trump on main posting like you need to go

697
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: after my political opponents.

698
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Speaker 4: What is going on? And why doesn't this happened yet?

699
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Speaker 2: And now lo and behold, brings in this lady Lindsay Halligan,

700
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Speaker 2: who has never prosecuted a case. Insurance lawyer, insurance lawyer,

701
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: former pageant girl, participated in one of the Trump beauty pageants.

702
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: Apparently in any case, he's brought her in and she

703
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: is apparently willing to do some of this. So now MSNBC,

704
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Speaker 2: which this is another interesting thing that you were pointing out,

705
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Speaker 2: they have Carol lenok Now who is a real reporter,

706
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Speaker 2: teaming up with Kendalanian, who is more of a typically

707
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: like a Democratic administration stenographer. But in any case, them

708
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: teaming up and breaking the story about charges against Komy

709
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Speaker 2: are likely to be filed in the next few days,

710
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Speaker 2: along with they're trying to get Letitia James on these

711
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: sort of bogus mortgage fraud charges, which they've also tried

712
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Speaker 2: to go after her, Adam Schift and Lisa Cook, who

713
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Speaker 2: was a Fedboard governor over similar like, oh, you said

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Speaker 2: it was your primary residence, but it wasn't really your

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Speaker 2: primary residence. In any case, Let's take a listen to

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Speaker 2: msbc's Kendelanian detailing a bit of this.

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Speaker 12: In office is expected to charge Tis James, the New

718
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Speaker 12: York Attorney General with mortgage fraud, and of course Donald

719
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Speaker 12: Trump we all saw posted on truth social and recent days,

720
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Speaker 12: exhorting his attorney general to charge both of those people

721
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Speaker 12: as soon as possible. But again, you know, this is

722
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Speaker 12: Grand Jury's our secret this is a fluid situation. It's

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Speaker 12: also important to know, though, that the US attorney, the

724
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Speaker 12: Trump pointed US attorney in this office, Eric Siebert, was

725
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Speaker 12: essentially forced out last week in part because he was

726
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Speaker 12: refusing to bring these cases. We're told that he was

727
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Speaker 12: opposed to both to prosecuting both James and Comy on

728
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Speaker 12: these grounds.

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Speaker 2: Put the next piece up on the screen. Dalanian also

730
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Speaker 2: writes some of the details here. Former FBI Director Jim

731
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: Comy for years the target President Trump's I are expected

732
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Speaker 2: to be indicted in the coming days in the Eastern

733
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Speaker 2: District of Virginia. Full extent of the charges being prepared

734
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Speaker 2: is unclear. Sources believe at least one element of the indictment,

735
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Speaker 2: if it goes forward, will accuse him of lying to

736
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Speaker 2: Congress during his testimony on September thirtieth, twenty twenty, about

737
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Speaker 2: whether he authorized a leak of information. Five year statute

738
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Speaker 2: of limitations on that charge would lapse on Tuesday. Ryan

739
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Speaker 2: I tried to dig into the specifics of what they're

740
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Speaker 2: saying Comy lied about, and you know, potentially, well, it

741
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Speaker 2: looks like they don't have more that's than what's in

742
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Speaker 2: the public sphere. Given the fact that this previous hand

743
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Speaker 2: picked US attorney was like, I can't charge him, there's

744
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: not enough there there. But effectively, you know, he claimed

745
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Speaker 2: he stood by earlier testimony where he had said he'd

746
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Speaker 2: never authorized these particular leaks.

747
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Speaker 4: To the press.

748
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Speaker 2: They're saying they have contradictory evidence. There's some question about

749
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Speaker 2: whether or not that was true. But remember, if you're

750
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Speaker 2: going to be found guilty of lying under oath, it

751
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: requires that you know, it requires specific intent that you

752
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: knew you were wrong in this a pretty high legal

753
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Speaker 2: bar here, and one that apparently the previous Trump picked

754
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Speaker 2: US attorney did not feel that they had met.

755
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Speaker 5: And maybe they're gonna end up going with contempt of Congress,

756
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Speaker 5: which would be a a vaguer I think usually contempt

757
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 5: means you got a subpoena and you refuse to show up. Yeah,

758
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: because maybe they can't quite nail perjury. The timing is key.

759
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Speaker 5: The testimony that you're referring to was September of twenty twenty,

760
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Speaker 5: which and the clock is about to tick on the Statute.

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Speaker 3: Of limitations literally next week or some five years. Yeah,

762
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Speaker 3: let's very soon.

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Speaker 5: And so basically he was asked if he leaked this

764
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Speaker 5: information what he did, and Komy is a slippery dude,

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Speaker 5: and Comya I, from my perspective, has like basically abused

766
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Speaker 5: his power at the FBI his.

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Speaker 2: Entire career how get Trump elected and also helped get

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Speaker 2: Trump elected.

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Speaker 5: No gratitude at all for Comy because if the dad

770
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Speaker 5: is quite clear, if Comy had not done both of

771
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Speaker 5: those press conferences going after Hillary both helped Trump, he

772
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Speaker 5: doesn't end up winning by the forty thousand votes or

773
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Speaker 5: whatever he won by, so completely we're in a completely

774
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 5: different world if Komi had not abused his power. So

775
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 5: that aside, the question was did you leak these memos

776
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 5: about your interactions with President Trump? Particularly when when Trump

777
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Speaker 5: had lunch with him and told him go easy on

778
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Speaker 5: my guy Mike Flynn that winds up in the New

779
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 5: York Times. What he had done is he'd got in

780
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 5: his car right afterwards, typed up a memo and then

781
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 5: he gave it to a friend of his, and then

782
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Speaker 5: after he was out of office. And so this is

783
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 5: another argument that he makes for why this was fine.

784
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 5: He authorized his friend to leak them to the New

785
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 5: York Times, so he did not personally leaked them. Is

786
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 5: them the things Richmond and Richmond or something like that.

787
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Speaker 5: That guy whoever that was, he's a professor somewhere. He

788
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Speaker 5: did an interview with the prosecutors like two or three

789
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 5: weeks ago. That's been reported. And so it was after

790
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 5: that interview where they're like, we just have nothing here.

791
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 5: I didn't didn't file anything. People can go back and

792
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 5: eat his September twenty twenty testimony. He at my recollection

793
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 5: is that he did say I did give it to

794
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 5: this guy, but he acknowledged that like he he sound

795
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 5: like if you go back and read the test when

796
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 5: he sounds like a guy who's being deliberately misleading, Yeah,

797
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 5: but is trying to stay on the legal side of perjury.

798
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

799
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Speaker 5: And so maybe that's why they'll end up before every

800
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Speaker 5: day this. Yeah, that's that's called congressional testing.

801
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the way this works.

802
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: I mean, and I think it's important to lay on

803
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: those details. I think it's also important to say it's

804
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: really not about the details.

805
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: Of course, Trump wants to give me something.

806
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: Hates this guy wants to go after him. Made that

807
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: crystal clear to pan Bondy. And now they are, along

808
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Speaker 2: with Letitia James on the mortgage quote unquote mortgage broad

809
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: thing with Latitia James that they may be trying to

810
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Speaker 2: indict her over.

811
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Speaker 4: So the claim is, and there's this one.

812
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Speaker 2: Guy at the Federal Housing Authority, who Bill Polti, who's

813
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: like feeding this stuff to Trump about shift Tiss James

814
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Speaker 2: and least.

815
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Speaker 3: Going through everybody's mortgage records.

816
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and with Tis James in particular, it seems like

817
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Speaker 2: they really they don't have a leg to stand on

818
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Speaker 2: because at least what's reportedly happened is there was a

819
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Speaker 2: mistake in a mortgage application for she was actually trying

820
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Speaker 2: to help I think it was maybe her daughter. It

821
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Speaker 2: was a relative get a house here, and there was

822
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Speaker 2: a mistake that said it would be her primary residence,

823
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Speaker 2: and she emailed, you know, the person she was worrying

824
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Speaker 2: with was like, no, no, no, this is not my

825
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Speaker 2: you know, this would not be my primary residence. So

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Speaker 2: there's clear like documentation that there was a miss Sure,

827
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Speaker 2: there was a maybe a filing paperwork mistake that was

828
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Speaker 2: made that she immediately tried to clear up. And the

829
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Speaker 2: idea is that if it's your primarise, you get a

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Speaker 2: better mortgage interest rate, something Trump would know a lot

831
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Speaker 2: about as someone who engaged in routine real estate fraud

832
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Speaker 2: with regard to you know, inflating assets and deflating assets

833
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Speaker 2: and doing whatever that was beneficial for him for getting

834
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Speaker 2: a loan or lowering his taxes, et cetera, something that

835
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Speaker 2: Tiss James actually went after him for. So that's you know,

836
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Speaker 2: that's the crux of the idea of I guess what

837
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Speaker 2: they would go after Tiss James. Now, the other question

838
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: is whether or not a grand jury is actually going

839
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Speaker 2: to you know, indict. Now, they say a grand jury

840
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Speaker 2: will indict a Ham Sandwich, but we have seen with

841
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Speaker 2: this administration several noteworthy times, including with the Sandwich guy

842
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Speaker 2: youre in d C, where they were like, no, we're

843
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: not going to charge him, not going to do it now.

844
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Speaker 2: D C is a different jury pool than you know,

845
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Speaker 2: the Eastern District of Virginia somewhat. I mean, DC is

846
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: the most liberal jurisdiction in the country, but Northern Virginia

847
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: is also pretty liberal. So it's not crazy to imagine

848
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Speaker 2: that you could have a grand jury look at this

849
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Speaker 2: and be like, we're not going along with this. The

850
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Speaker 2: requirement at justice is supposed to be that you have

851
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Speaker 2: an expectation at trial a jury.

852
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Speaker 4: Would found them guilty.

853
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: And Delanian also reported that there was a memo that

854
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: was sent to this new US attorney saying that charges

855
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Speaker 2: should not be brought against Comy. There's not enough evidence

856
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: to establish probable cause of crime is committed, let alone

857
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: enough to commit a jury to convict him. So sort

858
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: of career prosecutors there put this memo together for her,

859
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: and she's like, well, the big guy wants me to

860
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Speaker 2: do it, so I'm doing it.

861
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

862
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Speaker 5: I wonder if any of those what are those what

863
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 5: those lawyers are going to do, it'd be amazing. Like

864
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Speaker 5: I don't think she'll be able to pull it off,

865
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Speaker 5: Like I don't think she'll be able to get a

866
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Speaker 5: grand jury or a judge to sign off on this,

867
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Speaker 5: But if she did, it would be truly amazing because

868
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Speaker 5: I don't expect that these prosecutors who are you know,

869
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Speaker 5: these are boy scouts and girl scouts like whatever you

870
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Speaker 5: think of them, Like these types of prosecutors, I don't

871
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Speaker 5: think that they would participate in it. So this insurance

872
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 5: lawyer would have to bring the.

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Speaker 4: Case herself, who's never processed.

874
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Speaker 5: It should be her first criminal case, and like I said,

875
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Speaker 5: I don't think it gets past the indictment phase.

876
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: But if it did, be quite a spectacle.

877
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's important to say, like, if the federal

878
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: government goes after you in this way at all, even

879
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: if it doesn't make it to try, even if you're

880
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: found in a center chart whatever, I mean, it ruins

881
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: your life, then that's the intent, right, It's meant to

882
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: ruin your life, put you through ruinous discovery. Have you,

883
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: you know, rack up ruinous legal bills, and just imagine

884
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: that you had this federal government targeting you directly and

885
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: in their sites like that. That would be a terrifying experience.

886
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what is what is meant to be

887
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: done here, And I mean it's openly admitted effectively by Trump.

888
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: And you saw Ken Martin that who they wanted to

889
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 5: make was stream for DC but couldn't get through the Senate.

890
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 5: So they now have game like free job Ed Martin. Yeah,

891
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: game like Ken Mart's a d NC guy, game like

892
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 5: three jobs inside the Justice Department, the weaponization of.

893
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: The Just Department.

894
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 5: And he came after at the parent request of Alex

895
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 5: Jones and the FBI agent who was first on the

896
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 5: scene at Sandy Hook and said he was gonna he

897
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 5: was now under investigation, wanted a bunch of information from

898
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 5: the guy, and his boss told him no.

899
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: Todd Blanche believe it was. Yeah, it was like, oh no.

900
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 5: No, this is this, We're not We're not doing Alex

901
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 5: Jones's handywork on Sandy Hook?

902
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 3: Are you? Are you nuts? And so they completely withdrew

903
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: this letter.

904
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 5: But still, the fact that Alex Jones can call the

905
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 5: DOJ and get them to try to reopen Sandy Hook,

906
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 5: Oh my god, shows how weaponized, how far gone we

907
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 5: are this institution is.

908
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's one at least interesting club. I just

909
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: want to play for you, Peter Navarro. And this is

910
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: interesting because of course, the right has been claiming that,

911
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: you know, the Biden administration, the Obama administration, that they

912
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: they're the ones who weaponized the Justice Department against them

913
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: and against Trump. And you know, it's not like they

914
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: don't have any case to make.

915
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: There indicted him a bunch of times. Yeah, and they

916
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: did that whole Rushi Gate thing.

917
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 4: They did, They certainly did.

918
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Speaker 2: And so they've been saying, we're going to end this weaponization.

919
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: They weaponize the government against US, et cetera, et cetera.

920
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: And then you have Trump just brazenly like blowing past

921
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: any sort of plausible deniability and weaponizing not just the

922
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: Department of just the entire government against his political administration. Yeah,

923
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: the Federal Housing Administration, you know, the freakin HHS as

924
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: an anti Semitism task force?

925
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, what are we talking about here?

926
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Speaker 2: So in any case, Casey Hunt over at CNN asked

927
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Speaker 2: Peter Navarro to explain that inconsistency.

928
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen to what he

929
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 4: had to say.

930
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Speaker 13: Great to be with you, and it is kind of funny.

931
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Speaker 13: I mean, I did go to prison. I did go

932
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Speaker 13: to prison for honoring the Constitution. And I'm the only one.

933
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Speaker 13: And meanwhile, there's a lot of people out there who

934
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 13: should be in prison in my judgment, and I think

935
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Speaker 13: in the judgment of many people in the Drum administration.

936
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Speaker 13: James Comby to top of that list. Now, I don't

937
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Speaker 13: have any.

938
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Speaker 4: James is what's going on with James Comy? How is

939
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Speaker 4: it not basically the same thing that you're saying happened to.

940
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 13: You because he broke the law and I didn't, simple

941
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 13: as that. Let me lay this out for you, the

942
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 13: big picture.

943
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Speaker 4: One again, I don't know.

944
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Speaker 13: I don't know what he would be charged with. There's

945
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 13: so many things. Reporting is perjury, there's so many things.

946
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Speaker 2: So specifically, just as a refresher, Navarre spent four months

947
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: in prison for two misdemeanor counts of contempt of Congress.

948
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Speaker 2: He defied a subpoena from the House Select Committee investigating

949
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: January sixth, he refused to appear for a deposition or

950
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: produced requested documents related to his role and efforts to

951
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: challenge the twenty twenty election results, and was sentenced to

952
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: four months in prison and find ninety five hundred dollars.

953
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Speaker 2: According to Grock, so basically they were like, they subpoenaed him,

954
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: and he just was like, no, I'm not showing up.

955
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty brazen, you know, in terms of

956
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: securing a conviction against someone, that's pretty brazen. So what

957
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: I've seen Ryan is on this on the free speech stuff, Basically,

958
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: some parts of the right will try to do an

959
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: intellectual like oh, well here's why it's different and it's

960
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 2: not the same, and they did it and we're doing

961
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: something completely different. But I see a lot of just like, yeah,

962
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: they did it, we're going to do it back to them.

963
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: And you know, and we're going to come at them

964
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: ten times harder than they ever could have come at us.

965
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 4: And you you know, you.

966
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: Guys were out there pressuring and getting people canceled over

967
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: like COVID misinformation or whatever. Well, we're going to kick

968
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: Jimmy Can off the air, and we have no regrets

969
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 2: about it whatsoever.

970
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 4: That's where I.

971
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: See a lot of energy on the right basically being

972
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: not trying to hold any sort of consistent ideological principle,

973
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Speaker 2: just pure revenge vengeance kind.

974
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 3: Of energy and also zero sum.

975
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Speaker 5: I saw Steve Bannon on a show last night saying

976
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 5: citing these Hakeem Jeffreys' comments, where Hakim Jefferies said, Kim

977
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 5: Jeffrey said, look, let me remind you that the statute

978
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 5: of limitations, you know, runs beyond this Trump administration. So

979
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 5: if you're committing crimes now, you know, look out there

980
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 5: could be accountability. Which is the irony here of like

981
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,959
Speaker 5: Hakeem Jeffery's doing absolutely nothing to resist the Trump administration, right,

982
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 5: and then claiming he's going to do something in the future.

983
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, is kind of the worst of all worlds.

984
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, so what Ben is saying, look at that, what

985
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 5: Jeffreys is saying is that they were going to rewaponize

986
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 5: the Justice Department again when they take power, and they're

987
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 5: going to come at for all of us. We're all

988
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 5: going to jail if we don't put them in jail first. Yeah, like,

989
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 5: that's that's his art argument. He's like, and while we

990
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 5: move so slow, he said, you know, the Democrats, they

991
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 5: move with alacrity.

992
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Please.

993
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: It's funny how what different worlds we all live in.

994
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: Because if you.

995
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 4: Doesn't believe that, he can't believe that.

996
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 3: There's no way he believes that because he's he.

997
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 4: Was actually intelligent.

998
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is one of the few Bilas

999
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: he did go to prison.

1000
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he you know, I'm sure he's got his

1001
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 5: own perspective on it, colored by the fact that he

1002
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 5: actually went was behind bars leading up to the election

1003
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 5: for the same thing as Navarrow.

1004
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, just refusing to testify.

1005
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll see if Democrats have.

1006
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, incredible, I'm gonna have to look up a lacrity

1007
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 5: because that's not mine.

1008
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: It's not your understanding of what that term means is

1009
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: not embodied by Chuck Schumer. And all right, let's go

1010
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: ahead and get to this live update from that flotilla

1011
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: from Alex Coulston of drop site News.

1012
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 5: The Global Samood Flotilla, a convoy ships bringing humanitarian aid

1013
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 5: to Gaza, is getting closer and closer to the shore,

1014
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 5: but coming under increasing attacks from swarms of drones in

1015
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 5: the Mediterranean, and meanwhile starting to get back up from

1016
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 5: European powers, including Italy, which has said it is sending

1017
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 5: a naval ship to assist the flotilla, as well as Spain,

1018
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 5: which is said it also plans to intervene. There's some

1019
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 5: some suggestions from Ireland that they may also get involved

1020
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 5: joining us. Now is my colleague over at drop site News,

1021
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 5: Alex Colston from The Serious is the ship you're still on?

1022
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 11: Is that right?

1023
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: Alex?

1024
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 11: That's right.

1025
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 8: It's called the Serious Taifa because the boats are also

1026
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 8: named after Palestinian towns.

1027
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: Got it? Got it so?

1028
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 5: And we apologize if many viewers get seastick from watching

1029
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 5: you kind of float up and down, But I imagine

1030
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 5: the sea sickness is much worse among your crew, So

1031
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 5: I hope folks can just.

1032
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: Bear it with us for the for the moment.

1033
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 5: So two nights ago we saw and the most serious

1034
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 5: attack yet on the flotilla, which you know, footage of

1035
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 5: which we just showed. Can you talk about talk a

1036
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 5: little bit about what you know at this point about

1037
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 5: you know, what kind of attacks there were and what

1038
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 5: kind of damage there was.

1039
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 8: Definitely there were at least twelve attacks across nine boats.

1040
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 8: One boat was attacked twice with flash bangs. I think

1041
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Speaker 8: about four were also attacked with flash bangs.

1042
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 11: One had a.

1043
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 8: Chemical capsule fall to the deck spray a member of

1044
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 8: the crew and it fell into the water.

1045
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 11: The person sustained minor injuries.

1046
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Speaker 8: One of the flash bangs dismasted a boat, and that

1047
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 8: one was decommissioned, and so it's no longer sail with us.

1048
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 8: And yeah, they started around midnight and they continued till

1049
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 8: about three in the morning, and around three this they

1050
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 8: tapered off. But we were all concentrated together and it

1051
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 8: was actually quite kind of a remarkable scene, which is

1052
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 8: that there was just the horizon and the boats, and

1053
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 8: then every so often there'd be an explosion.

1054
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 11: And we would try to capture it. Because there's a.

1055
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Speaker 8: Lot of incredulity about the threat that the boats are under,

1056
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 8: and so we are a bit at pains trying to

1057
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Speaker 8: like document the extent of the attacks. I mean the

1058
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Speaker 8: footage you shared is from a security camera, and those

1059
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 8: security cameras are there not merely for our security. It's

1060
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Speaker 8: too broadcast to the world that the boats are under attack.

1061
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Speaker 2: I don't know why there would be incredulity about that,

1062
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: given that Israel is basically calling you hamas. We can

1063
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Speaker 2: put this up on the screen from the Israeli Foreign Minister.

1064
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: This is c two guys. They say, we have another

1065
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: proposer for the Hamas some flotilla. If this is not

1066
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Speaker 2: about provocation and serving Hamas, you are welcome to unload

1067
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: any aid you might have at any port in a

1068
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 2: nearby country outside Israel from which it can be transferred

1069
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: peacefully to Gaza. Israel will not allow vessels to enter

1070
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Speaker 2: an active combat zone and will not allow the breach

1071
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: of a lawful naval blockade. Is this about aid or

1072
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: about provocation? Alex, how would you respond to that?

1073
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 8: I believe this was the most recent statement that they made.

1074
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Speaker 8: They've made a handful of them at this point. I

1075
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Speaker 8: can tell you what the organizers say, and I can

1076
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Speaker 8: tell you what I make of that. But first to

1077
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Speaker 8: say that the organizers all say uniformly that if this

1078
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Speaker 8: were true, if Israel was willing to facilitate aid, there

1079
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Speaker 8: would be no real reason for the flotilla to exist

1080
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 8: there and for us to have independent civilian efforts to

1081
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 8: break the siege to get aid into causa. So, if

1082
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Speaker 8: it's a provocation, the provocation is Israel should deliver the aid.

1083
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 11: But we know that they're not going to do that.

1084
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 11: We know that they're not going to deliver subvision amounts

1085
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Speaker 11: of aid.

1086
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Speaker 8: They've funded unra, They've implemented a deadly quote unquote humanitarian

1087
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 8: distribution mechanism that is killing is helping to corral Palestinanes

1088
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 8: and then they are killed by Israeli forces. There's nothing

1089
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Speaker 8: to be believed in the statement that that Israel is

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Speaker 8: interested in facilitating aid to the people in Palestine.

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Speaker 5: What have you heard from either Spain or Italy or

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Speaker 5: what have the organizers heard and what are they sharing

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Speaker 5: with you? Have like and have you started to see

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Speaker 5: this Italian ship which said it would be therefore rescue

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Speaker 5: by the way, it made clear that it would be

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Speaker 5: there for potential rescue rather than which is distinct from

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Speaker 5: saying we're going to be there to offer defense to

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Speaker 5: this flotilla. Have you have the organizers heard from these

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Speaker 5: governments or are these just statements that they're catching on

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Speaker 5: social media just like everybody else.

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Speaker 8: No, the members of the steering committee have met with

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Speaker 8: members of the Spanish Parliament. There's an Italian member of

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Speaker 8: Parliament on board who is in contact with the Italian government.

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Speaker 8: These are active and ongoing negotiations with European governments to

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Speaker 8: come to an understanding about what kind of protection or

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Speaker 8: support these governments are going to provide. The Italian government,

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Speaker 8: for instance, has said that they would facilitate the aid

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Speaker 8: themselves via a Catholic charity. The organizers have rejected this

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Speaker 8: proposal because the plan is to open up the human

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Speaker 8: tearing corridor. But at the same time, though, the organizers

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Speaker 8: have also said that they welcome any and all governments

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Speaker 8: to participate and facilitat in the humanitarian mission. But the

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Speaker 8: fact of the matter is is that we are going

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Speaker 8: to sail forward Causa with or without a military escort.

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Speaker 2: ALEX, how are you feeling at this point. On the

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Speaker 2: one hand, you've got Israel outright attacking your boats and

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Speaker 2: calling you hamas. On the other hand, you do have

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Speaker 2: at least a couple of European nations that are saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're going to you know, make sure that you at

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Speaker 2: least don't get killed. You know, I mean, just like

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Speaker 2: as a human being, how are you feeling about your

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Speaker 2: personal safety right now?

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Speaker 8: So so it's hard to say what's going to happen.

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Speaker 8: And I mean, I say to myself at least and

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Speaker 8: I think a lot of people agree, especially on the

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Speaker 8: ship that I'm on, because we talk about it a lot.

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Speaker 8: We're trying to do what governments won't do, and that

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Speaker 8: requires a certain level of conviction and courage and commitment.

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Speaker 11: And at the same.

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Speaker 8: Time, whatever we do and whatever we're able to succeed

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Speaker 8: at doing and trying to open it, opening a humanitarian quarter,

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Speaker 8: it's it's it's minimal and next to the courage of policinian.

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Speaker 11: To face being killed every day. So I feel I

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Speaker 11: feel a little bit like I don't want I don't

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Speaker 11: want to be over alarmed.

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Speaker 8: I am nervous, And at the same time, I think

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Speaker 8: the standard that has been set for courage is not

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Speaker 8: with governments but with the Polisidian people.

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Speaker 5: I mean, and I think that that's that's good of

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Speaker 5: you to say, But at the same time, there you know,

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Speaker 5: there's no such thing as a courage Olympics, and we

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00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 5: all have one life on this planet, and you know,

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Speaker 5: whether you lose it in Gaza or on a ship

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01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 5: because Israelis are sending some message, you've still lost a life.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I would discourage people from and including yourself,

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Speaker 5: from like discounting you know what it is that you're that.

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Speaker 3: You guys are going through?

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Speaker 5: How are how are the rest of the people feeling

1149
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 5: going It feels like a bit of a roller coaster.

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Speaker 5: Two nights ago it seemed like they were presaging a

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Speaker 5: much more violent attack and then the intervention of the

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Speaker 5: the Spanish and the Italian navies.

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Speaker 3: Seems like, how was last night? It seemed like it.

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Speaker 5: Seems like last night was was fair was fairly quiet,

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Speaker 5: which went against the the expectations and may have had

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Speaker 5: something to do with the with the intervention of the Europeans.

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Speaker 3: What's what's how was last night?

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Speaker 11: It was? It was? It was low key by comparison

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Speaker 11: to the nights before.

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Speaker 8: Uh. The waters that were sailing into are increasingly getting

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Speaker 8: more rough because there's a storm between Greece and Gaza

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Speaker 8: and we're making preparations for that.

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Speaker 11: I just to respond to the other thing that you said,

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Speaker 11: you know, I think for me, at least.

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Speaker 8: We can we can control what we can control on

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Speaker 8: those boats, which is that to demonstrate that we're a

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Speaker 8: humanitarian mission. We're non violent, we're committed to humanitarian aid,

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Speaker 8: and everyone on board is also extremely conscientious and well organized,

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Speaker 8: and we take care of each other and we and

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Speaker 8: you know, as it said, we protect us. And I

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Speaker 8: think in that respect, I have to have trust in that,

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Speaker 8: and I have to believe that the solidarity among the

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Speaker 8: people on board and across the organization is enough to

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Speaker 8: sustain our attempts and I and I actually do believe

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Speaker 8: in that quite firmly. I don't of course, I'm worried

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Speaker 8: for my personal safety, and of course i'm and I

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Speaker 8: think even more than that. And this is what all

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Speaker 8: the organizers and crew members say on board, we're far

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Speaker 8: more concerned about one another. Like in the case of

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Speaker 8: an Israeli interception, right, I think most of our impulse

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Speaker 8: is to put our hand in front of someone and

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Speaker 8: prevent them from being harmed by Israeli soldiers or not

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Speaker 8: let them be dragged off for harassed.

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Speaker 11: You know, we're under strict orders not to do that.

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Speaker 8: So that we don't provoke the Israeli military and that

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Speaker 8: and I want to say that that's harder for me

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Speaker 8: at least than to imagine being personally assaulted or whatever.

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Speaker 13: Like.

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Speaker 8: I just want to say that I think that's worth

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Speaker 8: underlining actually that there is a real spirit of solidarity

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Speaker 8: that's a matter of protecting those around us as we

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Speaker 8: like have this very high risk action that we're taking.

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Speaker 2: Alex, my last question to you at least is you

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Speaker 2: know what is what's your fondest, fondest wish for what

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Speaker 2: you're able to accomplish here? My fondest wish, Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: would be what would be the best possible outcome.

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Speaker 11: That we make it to Gaza?

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Speaker 8: For one, that European governments, if not the United States government,

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Speaker 8: I don't have much faith in that ye would help

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Speaker 8: facilitate opening an humanitarian corridor, that the ships that are

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Speaker 8: following behind us will be able to maintain and keep

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Speaker 8: it open, so that there is a humanitarian corridor by sea,

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Speaker 8: and that the Israeli government will be so overwhelmed by

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Speaker 8: the public.

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Speaker 11: Support for measures.

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Speaker 8: Like this that uh that real significant humanitarian a can

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Speaker 8: be given the people in Gaza. And I actually don't

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Speaker 8: I've at the last couple of days, especially with the

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Speaker 8: naval vessels joining us, I'm starting to believe more and

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Speaker 8: more that it's not a wish that there there are

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Speaker 8: real developments taking place that are making it increasingly likely

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Speaker 8: for that outcome. And again I understand it will be

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Speaker 8: a difficult thing to achieve, but at the same time,

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Speaker 8: we are in completely uncharted waters here. Never has there

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Speaker 8: been a military escort for any of these missions over

1216
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Speaker 8: the last seventeen years during the blockade. Never has there

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Speaker 8: been this much public pressure. So I would say the

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Speaker 8: geopolitical situation is far more favorable, even if the winds

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Speaker 8: aren't favorable for us for an outcome like that.

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Speaker 11: So I actually don't want to treat it like a

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Speaker 11: remote possibility.

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Speaker 8: I want to treat you as a live and significant one.

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Speaker 5: And also, while you're here, I'll put in a plug

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Speaker 5: for the work you're doing for Dropside. Alex, believe it

1225
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Speaker 5: or not, the entire time he's been on this boat,

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Speaker 5: has continued his editing duties for drop site, including our

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Speaker 5: new newsletter drop Side Daily, which the time zone is

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01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 5: actually good for you because right the time you're handling

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01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 5: is less in the middle of the night, but it's

1230
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 5: always amazing. I'll wake up and see that he's Alex's

1231
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 5: already gone through like a full edit of the newsletter,

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01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 5: and then he's onto editing further pieces.

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Speaker 3: How's it?

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01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 5: How's it been to continue normal life, so to speak,

1235
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 5: off the boat while being kind of surrounded by Israeli

1236
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 5: drones and in the middle of Mediterranean, unable to see

1237
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 5: even a speck of land, Like, what's that experience been?

1238
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Speaker 11: Like? I mean, I missed normal life a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Can imagine.

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01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 8: I think I mentioned to this this to you before, Ryan,

1241
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 8: But I mean, I grew up on boats.

1242
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 11: I'm not you know, I don't get seasick. I really

1243
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 11: enjoyed being on boats.

1244
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 8: And you know, trying to like maintain both my like

1245
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 8: day job and fix a toilet on the same day

1246
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 8: has been a bit difficult sometimes.

1247
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 11: But you know, I have.

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01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 8: A lot of I've made a lot of friends, and

1249
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 8: I have comrades and people who I trust, and we

1250
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 8: have camaraderie and and you know, we we try to

1251
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 8: be happy and sing and stay afloat, and I don't know,

1252
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 8: I actually think compared to normal life, sometimes that's a

1253
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 8: lot better because it's not isolating, it's not atomizing, we're

1254
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 8: all in this in one mission and one purpose.

1255
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and as I mentioned, we've got the newsletter and

1256
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Speaker 5: the editing from here on in. You know, just you know,

1257
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 5: be safe, keep your head down, toilet working, keep the

1258
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 5: toilet working, and you know, just wishing you all the

1259
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 5: best and the last leg of this journey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, Alex. We'll be following it closely,

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 11: Thank you so much.