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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied

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Speaker 1: psychology and evolutionary biology, and I'd like to look at

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Speaker 1: the brains of people and animals. I may be looking

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Speaker 1: at some brains right now today on the show Gobble

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Speaker 1: Gobble Now, we're not talking about turkeys this time, but

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Speaker 1: the weird and wild eating behaviors of people and animals.

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Speaker 1: We're talking gluttonous grubs who gobble on gastropods, animals who

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Speaker 1: store their leftovers like their leather face on steroids. Animal

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Speaker 1: chefs and foodies with very peculiar tastes discover these animals

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Speaker 1: and more as we answer the angel question. Is eating

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Speaker 1: civit poopa crappy thing to do? So what sets us

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Speaker 1: apart from animals? It's our gourmet tastes, right, Unlike our

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Speaker 1: lowly animal cousins. We prepare our foods, season it, add

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Speaker 1: some garnished aloquately, use a utensil to put it in

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Speaker 1: our mouths, and poop it out like civilized humans. But

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Speaker 1: maybe animals aren't so animalistic with their eating habits. Sure,

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Speaker 1: animals may not have mastered the art of cooking things,

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Speaker 1: but they can get pretty close with their fancy food prep.

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Speaker 1: Joining me today for this Culinary Creature feature are the

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Speaker 1: hosts of Saber, a podcast about the culture of food eating, cooking,

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Speaker 1: masticating that means chewing at perverts. So welcome now to

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Speaker 1: Annie Reese and Lauren vogel Bomb. Hello, thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for having us. Yeah, I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: to have you guys. I think with evolutionary biology, there's

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Speaker 1: it's basically food and sets, and right now we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the food part, all right. When we

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Speaker 1: think about animal eating behaviors, sometimes it's restricted to, oh,

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Speaker 1: predators chasing down prey and how awesome that is to

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Speaker 1: But I think there are other eating habits that are

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Speaker 1: really fascinating and things that people wouldn't really imagine animals

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Speaker 1: are capable of. Oh absolutely, yeah. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've seen my cats play with their food for sure.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and I often feel like I'm being more

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Speaker 1: animalistic and how I am eating than perhaps, you know,

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Speaker 1: I never feel I never feel less human than when

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Speaker 1: I don't even let my dog do that because it's

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Speaker 1: dangerous for the dog to eat the chicken bones. But

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Speaker 1: sure that will never go wrong for me. Oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be fine. You're fine so far. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's a plus. So on your podcast, you guys like

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Speaker 1: to talk about the culture of food and cooking, and

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Speaker 1: I think it is a huge lynchpin of human culture.

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Speaker 1: It's something that is so necessary and so integral to

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Speaker 1: I think this is true of animals, especially are close

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Speaker 1: relatives in the primate families. So first I want to

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Speaker 1: you guys a slide show since I'm talking to you virtually,

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Speaker 1: so you get to see these adorable little monkeys. Oh

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Speaker 1: they are so cute. Oh no, okay, all right, that's fine,

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Speaker 1: our wild black striped or also known as bearded capchin

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Speaker 1: and their behaviors go way beyond just simple tool used.

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Speaker 1: So even though the fresh nuts are easier to crack open,

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Speaker 1: And so this indicates that they have an awareness that sure,

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Speaker 1: the older nuts are less toxic. They're a little harder

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Speaker 1: it is interesting because plants do develop these defensive strategies

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Speaker 1: So chimps, as you may know, like to dip tools

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Speaker 1: let alone three of me, right exactly exactly, Yeah, yeah,

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00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: it'd be it'd be like eating you know, tin turkeys.

424
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna say the math is right on that one. Uh.

425
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: So they eat insects, earthworms, snails, salamander's voles, mice, and

426
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: actually other shrews if they're small enough, and it's salivary

427
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: glands contain a paralytic toxin that can immobilize its prey,

428
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: and unfortunately for its prey, that is not a quick death.

429
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: They like to store their paralyzed victims in their din

430
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: and snack on them for days until their prey eventually

431
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: dies from its injuries. And so this strategy sounds really

432
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: unnecessarily cruel, but this allows them fresh food for long

433
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: periods of time, up to fifteen days, which is horrific.

434
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: Kind of want to just give them little tiny fridges

435
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: so they don't have to be so insane. Yeah, because

436
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: their metabolism is so fast, having that late night snack

437
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: is can make the difference for their survival, even if

438
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: it is a horrific torture show going on. Yeah, gosh,

439
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I guess we do that with plants.

440
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: Were like a ha ha Tomato, Like I will take

441
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 1: one of you today and one of you tomorrow. But

442
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: we don't think of plants as being conscious, so like

443
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal. This is reminding

444
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: me of Jurassic Park of the of the copries. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

445
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: they also I mean, you know again in this documentary

446
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: right right right, the domumentary, the classic documentary Jurassic Park

447
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: and the Fly. Yeah, I think Killer Shrew. Yes, that

448
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: one is actually a lot closer to reality than one

449
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: might think. It's one of the more realistic B movie

450
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: I think other than the whole shrinking people to solve

451
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: world hunger, which I think is silly. You obviously make

452
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: giant or you know you you you make a giant, true, right,

453
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: and then you eat the shrew their world hunger solved.

454
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: Not really sure what shreue meat tastes like though, might

455
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: that might be a bit of a gamble. But one

456
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: thing scientists have done, speaking of mad scientists, is they

457
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: have synthesized shrew venom into a substance called sore sit in,

458
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: which is hoped to be used as a sort of

459
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: botox alternative, which is used to treat migraines, myofacial pain,

460
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: neuromuscular diseases, and of course also wrinkles. Now this is

461
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: still in the works, they haven't actually put this on

462
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: the market yet, but I actually get a pretty bad

463
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: t m J pain, the transmendibular joint pain in my jaw,

464
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: and I would love to inject some shroud venom just

465
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: to see what it does, right, Yeah, I uh And

466
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: and it's just a different type of gross than thinking

467
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: about like like batuli um bacteria creating your treatment. Yes,

468
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: I so I like this. You're changing it up. Yeahs out,

469
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 1: I feel like I would trust I think I trust

470
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: shrewd ven um a little more than botuli is um

471
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: because shrew a shrewd bite might be kind of nasty

472
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: for human, but it can't it doesn't generally cause much

473
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: harm to people it's but bachuli is um it can.

474
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: It can do a doozy on a human. So I

475
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I kind of want to go with the

476
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: shrew ven him and the great The best part is

477
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: you don't need to invest in needles because you can

478
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: just get a shrew and then tease it and a

479
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: little bite you Oh so much cuter batina them. I

480
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: love this. I like that a shrewd attack is being

481
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: described as cute. Can you imagine going to a doctor's

482
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: office and they have their latex gloves on and they're

483
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: unwrap one of those sort of medical looking things with

484
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: the medical tissue, and then there's just this shrewd lives

485
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: shrieking shrew and they're frantically flopping around and it's like, well,

486
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: here's your treatment. It would just leave you in the room.

487
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, then good luck. See if you contame

488
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: this shrew. No, well that would be an interesting doctor's

489
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: party for sure. Now, I have to ask you, guys,

490
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: do you keep secret food stashes at your homes? Oh?

491
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: Everywhere everywhere my home, my desk, my purse, like essentially

492
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: like the mother of a five year old, but the

493
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: five year old is me, and I just have to

494
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: eat like constantly, So like, yeah, I always have snacks. Yeah,

495
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: secret snacks. I I am a big fan of secret snacks.

496
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: I like to tuck. Usually. What happens, though, is I'll

497
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: tuck things away in my purse and then it kind

498
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: of gets pulverized over time, and then by the time

499
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: I remember that I put a snack in there, it's

500
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: just turned into like cookie dust, which I do eat.

501
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: I still eat it. I'm not saying I don't eat it,

502
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: but it has sort of worn away by the time,

503
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: and the movement of the purse has turned it into

504
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: a sort of crumble rather than a whole bar or

505
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: a whole cookie. Yeah. I've destroyed many a granola bar

506
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: the same way scientist can't explain what happens once you

507
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: put something in your purse. Granola bars kind of explode

508
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: on contact. I don't think you have to do much

509
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: to make them turn into dust. Like you touch one

510
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: and it's sort of just atomizes that seems to be

511
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: there purpose faulty design. Perhaps it becomes vapor immediately in

512
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: granola vapor. Yeah, which actually should not never breathe in

513
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: granola vapor. Oh no, you'll get you'll get granola along.

514
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: Nobody wants that, nobody. I want to talk about another

515
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: animal who likes to store leftovers in a pretty cruel way.

516
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: This is the Eleanora's falcon, and I also have a

517
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: picture of that for you guys to check out. And

518
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: it is a It likes to keep a larger of

519
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: live prey, but it goes about it in a much

520
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: less scientific way than the shrew. So. Eleanora's falcon is

521
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: a medium sized falcon found in southern Southeast Europe and

522
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: North Africa, and they like to winter in Madagascar, which

523
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: is These are some hoity toity falcons, so typically they

524
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: eat insects, but during autumn bird migration they enjoy a

525
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: smorgas board of smaller birds, which include swifts and hoopoos.

526
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: These are the little little birds that just make great

527
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: snacks for these falcons. And since the falcons don't have

528
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: refrigerators and they like fresh meat, they just shove their

529
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: bird victims into rock crevices and save them for later.

530
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: So I have another picture in that slide up for

531
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: you where it's a bird in bird prison, just awaiting

532
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: the falcon to return to eat it. It's very sad,

533
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, you see, he's just kind of tucked in

534
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: a little little hole in the rock and it's a

535
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: tight squeeze, so we can't really get out. Sometimes they'll

536
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: even pluck their praise wings and tail feathers and then

537
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: just toss them in a big hole because then they

538
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: can't fly out of the hole. And it's just at

539
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: that point I think they're mocking them. Yeah, oh my gosh.

540
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: This okay, see I was, I was down with the

541
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: shrew thing. I was like, look, I understand you want

542
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: to keep your food fresh, but like, and you know,

543
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: and it's not your fault that you're venomous, like you

544
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: just yeah, that's just what you do. But this is

545
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: this is intentional, This is on purpose, This is premeditated.

546
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well, this way they'll have fresh bird meat

547
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: for themselves and for their chicks later. So there. It

548
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: runs in the family. It's it's one of the things

549
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: that brings family together, is just torturing and murdering birds.

550
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a good Is that a good summation

551
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving? Actually? The bird actually bird murder and torture holiday? Yeah?

552
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: Basically yeah. I mean, especially if you're dealing with like

553
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: a tur ducan or something, boning three birds and stuff

554
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: in one inside that, I mean that's a yeah. And

555
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: really what is that all about except you feeling like

556
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: you've got some power? Yeah? I really? How far can

557
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: I push the limits? Yeah? Because those things, I can't

558
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: imagine those taste very good. Their nightmare to prepare because

559
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: the meat would cook at different rates. So I don't

560
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 1: I don't quite understand how you do that? Do you? Guys? Know?

561
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: Have you ever tried that? Like, does it actually taste

562
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: good a turkey ducan? Or does it just I've never

563
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: I've never made one. I've never had one. Um I

564
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: I I don't. I don't really understand how you're supposed

565
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: to cook it and right and have it come out

566
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: like good at all, because like it's hard to cook

567
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: a single bird and have it be like juicy and nice.

568
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: And apparently there's like layers layers of stuffing involved that

569
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: they're supposed to offset the moisture issue, like if you

570
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: leave a turkey in the oven like one second too long,

571
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: it turns into chalk. So now I'm supposed to stuff

572
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: a duck inside and see how that works. It's just

573
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: I think it's just I think you you guys hit

574
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: the nail on the head. I think it's about showing

575
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: how good at murdering we are. We're like, well, we've

576
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: got this turkey, let's see how many more birds we

577
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: can stuff inside. Like I killed tin animals to make

578
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: this dish. It's a total power play. It is, it is.

579
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: It is supposedly in like the seventeen hundreds. In France,

580
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: this one guy invented I don't know if you ever

581
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: cooked it, but he invented, like I think, it's like

582
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: a seventeen bird. It went from like a buzzard on

583
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: the outside to like this little wren all the way

584
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: on the inside. France actually had Katherine Spears on of

585
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: the smart Mouth podcast and we we talked about these

586
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: like horrifying some of these really horrible dishes that we

587
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: had in history, and yeah, that that's it's like it's

588
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: stuffed a It was a large bird that then you

589
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: stuffed it with like a turkey, and you stuffed that

590
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: with like a guinea fowl, and then a pheasant, and

591
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: then a quail and then a I think at the

592
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: very end you're like shoving a little bee in there

593
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: or something. I'm not sure, but yeah, it's it's a nightmare.

594
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I think that there is a

595
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: certain at a certain level predators, and that includes humans.

596
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: We do seem to relish in just being evil. So,

597
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: speaking of which, I want to talk about a cute

598
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: little caterpillar who is a pretty pretty nasty little customer. Now,

599
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: you guys had a whole episode about scargo. I do

600
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: not eat scargo, but when I was a child, I

601
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: would eat raw snails because, like I said, I didn't

602
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: I didn't follow up your the man's rules about not

603
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: eating this animal or don't put that in your mouth.

604
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: I I put whatever I wanted in my mouth, and

605
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: that included snails, which my mom found out because I

606
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: would come out from the backyard inside and I was

607
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: this little, like two year old, and I had like

608
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: snail shells just stuck to my little cheeks. So she's like, well,

609
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: she's been out there eating snails again. But she didn't think.

610
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there was nothing harmful about it, so she

611
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: didn't stop me. That's pretty impressive as a two year old.

612
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: Get a little get, get some get some olive oil

613
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: and some some salt. But you guys have had a scargo, right,

614
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: Can you describe that experience for those of us who

615
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: have not partaken in the snail food? Oh? Yeah, sure. Um,

616
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: they're they're really tasty. It's sort of like a slightly

617
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: chewier oyster maybe. Um, it's sort of almost like a

618
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: like squid, like if you've ever had fried calamari can

619
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: be a lot like that because they're usually especially in

620
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: the scargo preparation, they're kind of like kind of like

621
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: sauteed in a lot of butter um and uh and

622
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: they turn just kind of like chewy and uh and

623
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: but a little bit tender and they don't have a

624
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: very strong flavor, especially once you've got all that butter

625
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: and like garlic and parsley and stuff in there. But yeah,

626
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: they're they're real good. It's interesting you bring up like

627
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: other shellfish because mollusks, they are related to molluscs, and

628
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: they are related to squid in a sort of roundabout way.

629
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: They are snails are gastropods. But they belong to the

630
00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: mollusc phylum, which does include things like cephalopods, squid to

631
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: octopus and other shell shellfish. So it's not to say

632
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: that that would necessarily make them taste similar to it.

633
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: But I do think that is that is an interesting connection.

634
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: Is there is there a reason why you don't eat

635
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: a scargo? I think, you know, it is interesting because

636
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: you'd think that as somehow, being a child who would

637
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: just shove insect after insect in my mouth, that I

638
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: wouldn't be grossed out by it. But I think that

639
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: was kind of my undoing. I remember when I was

640
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: a little kid, I would collect snails as pets, and

641
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: I didn't quite understand how to recreate their natural environment.

642
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: So well would happen is they would die in large numbers,

643
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: and the smell of these dead snails was very bad.

644
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: So I think I don't associate dead snails with food.

645
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: I associate it with existential horror as I realized that

646
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: I am a bad little god and I have destroyed

647
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: my citizens. So um, maybe that's why I don't. But

648
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Yeah, You're like, I've already killed

649
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: my lifetime share of snails, destroyer of snail worlds, I'm

650
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: already in the red when it comes to snail karma,

651
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm not fiddling with those numbers anymore.

652
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: But so there is another caterpillar who may have more

653
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: crimes to answer for than me, called the hyposmocoma mollusk givora.

654
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: I sure, I'm sure I pronounced that correctly. But it's

655
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: a tiny species of caterpillar from Hawaii. So this little

656
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: caterpillar eventually metamorphosizes into a moth. But as caterpillars, they're

657
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: little brats and they're pretty rude to snails. So these

658
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: are case bearing caterpillars similar to bagworms, which means they

659
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: spin themselves a shell out of their own silk. Now,

660
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: have you ever seen these guys. They it looks like

661
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: a little tube of a sort of junk, like a

662
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: kind of it looks like a bunch of cobwebs kind

663
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: of wrapped around in a tiny little tube, maybe some

664
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: dirt and stuff on the outside, but then it kind

665
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: of moves around and you look and then like a

666
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: little worm where a little caterpillar pops out of it.

667
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: And it's a really interesting way that these guys protect themselves. Yeah,

668
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: I like a lint armor, essentially lint armor. That's the Yes,

669
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: these are a little lint boys that like to wear

670
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: lint armor. Sometimes they even decorate their little silk cases

671
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: with snail shells, which will become even more grotesque as

672
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: we go on here. So not only are they snail wannabes,

673
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: they also destroy snails. So they'll roll up to a

674
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: snail and they start to use their sticky silk to

675
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: trap the snail against the leaf. So, you know, snails

676
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: are not too fast, so the poor snail is too

677
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: slow to be able to escape even though the net

678
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: is just being woven around it's shell in real time.

679
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: So if you can imagine you're just so slow that

680
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: this this little caterpillar comes up with a set of

681
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: knitting needles. Not not really, but you know biological netting

682
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: meals starts to make a net and be like, oh,

683
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: how's your day going, Yeah, I'm totally gonna eat you.

684
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: Would you would you turn to the right a little bit? Yeah,

685
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: that's right there you go. Oh no, It's like it's

686
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: like it's like the quicksilver, but but you're just a snail.

687
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: It's kind of like if Psycho just happened really slow,

688
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: like Psycho but with slobs, just like really slow. You

689
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: see it coming, but there's not, and you're both kind

690
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: of like, you know, all right, well how you know

691
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: it's I'm about to murder you? But hey, did you

692
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: see you see the Mets game or whatever? This is

693
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: gonna take a minute, so let's just get to know

694
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: each other a little bit. Yeah, I feel like, yeah,

695
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: I feel like like slow murder small talk would be

696
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: really awkward word like maybe a little more awkward than

697
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: regular a small talk. Although if you with small time

698
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: so well, sometimes you know, I want to be murdered

699
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: in small talk is death is preferable. So the caterpillar

700
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: then uses that weird little body case that it has

701
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: sewn to wedge open the snail shell opening like one

702
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: of those tiny scargo forks. So I actually have an

703
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: image of that you guys can look at. You can

704
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: see the snail shell is tied down to the leaf

705
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: with the sticky strands of silk, and then the caterpillar

706
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: has lodged its weird oblong uh silk casing into the

707
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: snail shell and then that way it can just crawl

708
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: right into that snail shell and like corring it in

709
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: its own home, which is pretty scary, and then it

710
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: just yeah, that gets right in there. And to eat

711
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: the snail alive that is so gnarly. That is like

712
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: the very worst version of like the call is coming

713
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: from inside the house. Oh gosh. I mean, yeah, I

714
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: think it is. We're pretty messed up, I think as

715
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: humans in terms of our food presentation. But I don't

716
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: know if we're at the level of eating animals alive

717
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: in their own homes. Like we don't like get a

718
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: bird nest and then just start eating the birds. You're

719
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: not not today, That's not something I've done. I mean, actually,

720
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, is that going back to oysters? Isn't

721
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: that sort of what we do crack open their houses

722
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: and when we serve When we serve snails, we do

723
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: like take them out of their shells to cook them,

724
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: but then we put them back in their shells to

725
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: serve them. So it's like, well, I mean that's just

726
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: a presentation. Though. Gotta remember, gotta remember this was a snail,

727
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: God forbid we forget this is this is a slimy

728
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: snail that used to crawl all over the ground and

729
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: and eat bird poop and stuff like I would not

730
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: find that appetizing without that snail shell. Come on, and

731
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: they're very pretty. It's true, that's true. We can't forget

732
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: the presentation. Yeah, so it's interesting their shell is made

733
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: That outside is made out of calcium carbonate, but the

734
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: inside of the shell is it kind of has that

735
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: a little bit of that pearlscent hue if you've ever

736
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: looked at it. And that's because it's actually made out

737
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: of naker, which is the same material in mother pearl

738
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: shell and uh, that's secreted onto onto pearls in oysters,

739
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: which I think is really interesting. I don't think we

740
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: think of snails as beautiful mother pearl oysters, but they do.

741
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: Their shells are very similar in terms of their composition.

742
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: I love a snail shell. I think they're beautiful. Yeah,

743
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: and bonus, I always feel like like ur slow the

744
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: sea with if I haven't and the whole thing jewelry

745
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: resembling that. But unfortunately it doesn't give you the powers

746
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: to sing like her. No, I mean not unless you

747
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: go to the trouble of trapping a mermaid and getting

748
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: her to sign a like devil deal with you, right.

749
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: The whole thing with Ariel here's something that bothers me.

750
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: All of her friends are sea creatures. She's got a

751
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: lobster or sorry, is it a lobster? Crap? I think

752
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: it's a crab, right, she's got and in that musical number,

753
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: oysters and clams are singing along. Now her bra is

754
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: made out of clam shells. I feel it'd be really

755
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: awkward if she visited some of her friends and there's like, oh,

756
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: have you met here? Here's Clyde the clam. It's like,

757
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: oh God, is that my grandmother's exoskeleton? And it's just

758
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: these this shell like well whoops. See it's part of

759
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: the storyline that wasn't really well explored. But the the

760
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: reason that all of those animals like aerial and they

761
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: all get along so wel together is that they are

762
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: all metal ast and and so they really they really

763
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: just love that, like that like death metal kind of culture. Yeah,

764
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: yeah it is. I do love the whole when she's

765
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: talking about being on Earth with humans so that she

766
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: may rend flesh from her her fellow fish and and

767
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: enjoy the food that is cooked from her friends. Yeah,

768
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: that was that was good. I was like that was

769
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: a good movie. Ultimate Revenge Tale really revenge, Like I

770
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: gotta get all land and then I'm gonna eat all

771
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: like like your dad's like, no, you can't go on lands.

772
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Like I'll go on land, dad, and then I'll eat you. Yeah,

773
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: maybe I'll cook you in another fish make a dad ducking.

774
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: We've gotten to the heart of the little mermaids. But

775
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: it's really about Obviously, the invention of the fridge gave

776
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: us a huge advantage when it came to storing leftovers,

777
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: but humans have always found a way to make food last.

778
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: From smokehouses to fermentation to salting, We've figured out ways

779
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: to keep our food from going bad. Throughout human history.

780
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: We've discovered how to store our food effectively, and it

781
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: depended largely on your climate. In the frozen tundra, the

782
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: world was your fridge for better or worse, and you

783
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: could store meat on the ice. In warmer climates like

784
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: the Middle Eastern Rome, you could dry out fruit and

785
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: meat by baking them in the hot sun. One of

786
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: the earliest recorded instances of stored food was found in

787
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: Kessum Cave in Israel, dating back up to four D

788
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: twenty thousand years ago. The Paleolithic people there stored animal

789
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: bones for snacking on later, like when they were up

790
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: real late reading cave wall comics. Researchers determined these bones

791
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: were leftovers due to the markings. Fresher bones are easier

792
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: to scrape out the marrow, whereas older booneses turn into

793
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: marrow jerky, meaning there are more scratch and cutting marks

794
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: on the bone. If you think eating bone marrow is weird,

795
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not. I've had it and it's delicious.

796
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: Wait until we return. I think you'll be surprised. Some

797
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: people and some creatures have pretty odd tastes when it

798
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: comes to meals. So let's take a trip down to

799
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: imagination station. You're a friendly little fish, swimming along, maybe

800
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: saying hi to arial, and suddenly you feel a bit

801
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: of eye irritation. There's no vision for fish, so you

802
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: continue to swim along with your fishy business, but you

803
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: start to feel kind of lazy and sluggish. You just

804
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: want to slow down, not move too much. You take

805
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of lazy days. This all works out fine

806
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: for you for a while. In fact, you seem to

807
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: attract fewer predators. Great, but then something jane inges inside you,

808
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: like a switch has been flipped. Now you've got a

809
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: fierce case of the wiggles. You want nothing more than

810
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: to splash around swimming, wantonly dancing and not caring who

811
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: notices Well, loops, maybe you care a little bit because

812
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: you see a huge bird flying down towards the surface

813
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: of the water. You pause, freaked out, trying to stay

814
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: still so the bird won't see you. But then that

815
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: urge to wiggle around to dance. You just can't help it.

816
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: You've gotta move around. Well, the bird eats you the end,

817
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: So that guy's that is the end of your story.

818
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: But it is just another part of the fish eye

819
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: Fluke's life cycle. This is part of the episode that

820
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a little gross, I guess. So, how

821
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: do you guys feel about parasites? You know, I'm gonna

822
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: be honest. They make me a little nervous. Yeah, I'm

823
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: of of all the things that I'm not squeaked out by.

824
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: I think that anything that crawls into your body and

825
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: makes a home there that's larger and like a bacterium

826
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: really freaks me out. Well, bad news for you, because

827
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: we're about to talk about the eye Fluke, which is

828
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: uh parasitic flatworm. There's a specific species called diplostom Um

829
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: pseudo path which again I'm sure I pronounced that. Well,

830
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: I'm a champion at Latin. Now that name sounds bad,

831
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: and they are if you are a freshwater fish. So basically,

832
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: these ie flukes will swim around until they find an

833
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: unlucky fish, which is often a rainbow trout. Then they

834
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: will infect their eyes, so the eye fluke pierces the

835
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: fish's skin, then swims up through the body to find

836
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: real estate in its eyeballs because it's location, location, location,

837
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: am I right? Oh yeah, great, great views, right, a

838
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: great waterfront property. Uh no, Oh, did I mention that

839
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: my other squid is eye stuff? That's great. You guys

840
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 1: haven't ever eaten eaten eyeballs? I have not to my

841
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: personal Actually, I mean, I guess I've had like like

842
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: whole like like shrimp or or those true, So so

843
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: you've eaten it's kind of been a package deal for

844
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: you with with eyeballs. Uh. Yeah, I've eaten a fish

845
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: eye before, at the behest of my friend who told

846
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: me it was very good and it was fine. It

847
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: tasted pretty salty. Now I don't know if that's because

848
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: they salted it a lot, But I don't know. I

849
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit there's something psychologically a problem

850
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: for me with that, because it's like, I'm eyes are

851
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: a window into the soul, and then I'm eating that

852
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: window and it just kind of doesn't work for me

853
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: mentally speaking. Yeah, no, I don't want it. It is

854
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: a strange thing to eat an eye. I guess it's

855
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: kind of like an ultimate power move, like what if

856
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: the what if the chicken and the turduccan was just

857
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: filled with eyes? Oh, why would you say that it's

858
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: a monster. You're the one who brought up eyeballs. I

859
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: brought up eating eyeballs. I didn't bring up filling a

860
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: turkey like making a turkey pinata. But it's filled with eyeballs.

861
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: Good lord, I thought I was that nightmare. Yeah, I

862
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: thought I was the horror master. Here. You're welcome. So

863
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: the fish eye fluke has a pretty good reason for

864
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: being in the eyes. So the eyeball doesn't contain much blood,

865
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: so there's no immune response to the parasites, so it

866
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: can happily swim around in there, absorbing nutrients and just

867
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: kind of hang out in the eyeball as long as

868
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: it dang well pleases. Recent research suggests that not only

869
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: is the eye fluke making a cozy little cottage out

870
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: of the fish, I, but it's actually altering the fish's behavior.

871
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: So this is something we've talked about before on the show,

872
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: where a parasite will manipulate its host by interfering with

873
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: its brain chemistry. So have you guys ever heard of

874
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: t gandhi? I is that? Is that the toxoplasma or

875
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: the or the fungus with the ants? You're You're on

876
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: the right track. It's the it's the it's the parasite

877
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: that infects rats and makes them lose their fear of cats. Okay, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.

878
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes the way that they influence the host behavior is mysterious. Like,

879
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that we know how the eye fluke

880
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: does this. This is pretty recent research. But let's say

881
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: that it does some kind of maybe it releases some

882
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: kind of chemical that interacts with the fish's brain and

883
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: causes some malfunction. Is now, I don't know this. I'm

884
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of I'm kind of winging because I don't think

885
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: we've I don't think science has determined exactly how the

886
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: eye fluke controls these fish. But that is one of

887
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: the mechanisms that these parasites can use. So the eye

888
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: fluke influences the fish too at first swim more sluggishly. Now,

889
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: as listeners of the show might know, often the parasites

890
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: mo is to make the host look as noticeable as

891
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: possible because often these parasites have the goal of winding

892
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: up in the stomach of a predator, like in the

893
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: stomach of a cat or in a bird. And while

894
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: that's true, these eye flukes kind of have finessed it

895
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: a bit because when they're juveniles, they're still developing in

896
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: the fish I they don't want to get eaten yet

897
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: because they're just not ready. They're not ready for that commitment. Yeah,

898
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: they will make the fish swim slower, more sluggishly so

899
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: it isn't targeted by predators. And then later in the

900
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: eye flukes lifestyle, when it's a an adult, it's single,

901
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: it's ready to mingle. Then that's when it kicks into

902
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: high gear and makes the fish just wiggle around like crazy.

903
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: It makes the fish want to swim closer to the

904
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: surface to swim more actively, and normally when a bird

905
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: attacks a fish, the fish is responses to freeze to

906
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: try to reduce its visibility, and but the infected fish

907
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: will very quickly start to dance around again, swim around again,

908
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: So it makes it really easy for the birds to

909
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: just scoop that right up. And at that point the

910
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: the iye fluke and the fish will escape into the

911
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: bird's gut and that's where it has its singles bar

912
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: speed dating night and mates, and the reproductive cycle begins

913
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: a new Well. That is quite the method. Yeah, I

914
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: guess when you don't have tinder um, you know, you

915
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: have to figure out your own way to do stuff.

916
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: You have fender. Oh wow, that is when you when

917
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: when you get an oh well from Annie about a pun,

918
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: I feel like you just won. You wont like the

919
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: whole month you Yeah, I have so much respect right now.

920
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with it. I can

921
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: only aspire to make as good fun with that. There's

922
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: even another step in their weird life cycle. So once

923
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: they've reproduced, their young escapes out of the bird into

924
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: the bird poop, and that bird poop then gets eaten

925
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: by snails, and then the snails. When these are aquatic

926
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: freshwater snails, they will be in the water and then

927
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: they will escape out of the snails and then swim

928
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: over to a fish. So it's a complicated life process,

929
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of steps. I think it's

930
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: kind of a way for these eye flukes to sort

931
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: of feel, you know, they're like constantly at a midlife

932
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: isis no matter at what point of their lifestycle cycle

933
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: they are out like I gotta do something. I gotta

934
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: get myself a new ride. I'm gonna get a snail.

935
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, I'm gonna get myself a new ride.

936
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get myself a fish. I Yeah, No, that's great.

937
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean you're traveling your right, having new experiences. Uh,

938
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: they're really pushing yourself. Yeah, doing it for the insta.

939
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: So that's that's great. That's that's so gnarly. I love

940
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: it trying new food, new home. I do feel I

941
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: do sympathize with these these eye flutes a little bit.

942
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: I think one of the ways I feel like I

943
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: can reinvent myself is to try just a slightly different food,

944
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: nothing way outside my comfort zone. Not like a big

945
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: bowl of mayonnaise, but you know, a slight like maybe

946
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of a spicier food. And then

947
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: I feel more worldly, even if it's just down the

948
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: street from my apartment. I'm like, I've done a thing.

949
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: I've I've discovered a new food, and then I somehow

950
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: feel accomplished even though I didn't do anything, feel more alive. Yeah, No,

951
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: you did something. You went out and found something and

952
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: I put it in my Yeah, it was a bit

953
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: different than normal. That is Why do you guys think

954
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: that is so satisfying to you? Discover new food and

955
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: you it's like there's a certain conquest in putting something

956
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: new in your mouth, and it's like I have made

957
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,959
Speaker 1: this mine. What do you think that is? I think

958
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: for me, there's a UM, I have a weird thing

959
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: I call it collecting experiences where I'm very much I

960
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: want to try as much as I can. So I

961
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: think if I discover something that to me, I've never

962
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: had anything like it before, it's very exciting. Um, and

963
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: my my mouth is like, WHOA, what's this? I've never

964
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: had this combination of flavors and textures. This is great,

965
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: And I feel like my brain gets really excited about it, like, oh,

966
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: You've got to find other things like this, And there's

967
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: just something about that for me. Excitement of it of

968
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: finding something I really like that's got set off a

969
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: new hearing. It's for me, absolutely, And I think that

970
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: there's I think there's some brain chemicals that get set

971
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: off when when you do try a new combination of

972
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: textures or or flavors that your brain is like, well,

973
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: is it danger? Is it cool? And which is really

974
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: basically the same emotion according to our brains. I mean,

975
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's also chemicals involved in the nostalgia of

976
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: eating something the same but or or similar to something

977
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: that you've had a long time ago. We did an

978
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: upsote on that, but uh yeah, yeah, no, no, the

979
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: definitely it's it's it's a it's a thrill. Yeah, well,

980
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: I love adrenaline. It's like I'm trying to find it

981
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: wherever I can get it. It's the safe risk taking,

982
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna go go cliff jumping, but i

983
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: may put something in my mouth that I'm not sure

984
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna create a good situation with my stomach, but

985
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: gosh darn it, I'll try. I like that. I'm going

986
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: to start thinking of trying new things with it. With food.

987
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: Is cliff jumping? Right here we go? Right here we go?

988
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: You know, saddle saddle up in testines. We're going on

989
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: a ride. I think your's open. It's a good one,

990
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: much much safer than like than yeah, than like, I

991
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: don't know, buying a motorcycle or something. Yeah, yeah, it's

992
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: an adventure in your mouth and your stomach and possibly

993
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: other bathroom times that will not discuss. So there's another

994
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: parasite that likes to eat eyeballs. If you you guys,

995
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: thought we had escaped the eyeball eating conversation, oh I'm sorry,

996
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: but now we're back. Now this is a This is

997
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: a slightly different parasite and it specifically likes to eat

998
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: the eyeballs of sharks, and a specific type of shark

999
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: called the sleeper shark. And these are a group of

1000
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: sharks that are slow moving deep sea. They look like ancient,

1001
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: prehistoric creatures and they are actually in fact, so we've

1002
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: talked about the Greenland shark on the show before. They're

1003
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: these really huge sharks and they're very slow. They are carnivorous,

1004
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: but they have a really slow metabolism so they don't

1005
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: have to move very fast and they basically just sneak

1006
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: up on their prey and then by the time the

1007
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: prey realizes it's surrounded by teeth. It's too late, and

1008
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: but that is not the horrifying thing we're talking about today.

1009
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: The horrifying thing we're talking about is called omatta quita elongata,

1010
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: which is a copa pod, a type of crustacean, and

1011
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: it's this pink worm like creature that grows about an

1012
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: inch long, and it likes to attach itself to the

1013
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: corneas of these sleeper sharks and it slowly eats away

1014
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: at that juicy shark. Guy. Okay, that's uncool. I'm just

1015
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say that's not chill. No one

1016
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: should do that. Yeah, and you've and you've sent us

1017
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: pictures and it's and it's. Yeah, this like little worm

1018
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: like thing just like just like dangling out of the

1019
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: eyeball of this poor, kind of dirty looking shark. Yeah.

1020
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: I feel a lot of sympathy for these sleeper sharks

1021
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: and the greenland shark. I think I like them. I

1022
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: think they're cool. Little guy, they're not little. They're actually huge,

1023
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: huge sharks, but they're they have an overall pretty chill personality.

1024
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: They aren't super aggressive. They do eat other fish and things,

1025
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: but basically they just the rest of the time when

1026
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: they're not killing, they're they're pretty chill, they're slow moving,

1027
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: and they Yeah that these little stinkers, these little eyeball

1028
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: eating crustaceans, get on their eyes. And because the shark

1029
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: doesn't I mean, the shark doesn't have hands, can't do

1030
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: anything about it, it just seems kind of mean. I mean,

1031
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess the coupe of pod is just

1032
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's just trying to eat. It's just trying

1033
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: to make a living. It doesn't know any better. Like

1034
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: it's like in the flintst Owns, those animals, like the

1035
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: the copa pod like looks at the camera and it's

1036
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: like it's a loving time to eat the eyeballs, like

1037
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: another day in the eyeball. The shark eyeball mines. Oh No.

1038
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: Also reminds me of the times throughout history humanity has

1039
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: really latched onto some weird fashion. So I wonder if

1040
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: in the shark world this was ever like fashionable to

1041
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: have the worm. It's sort of like a monocle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1042
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: The psyches of sharks will never know over sure, Yeah,

1043
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: And I mean it damages their visions, so maybe like

1044
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: if they have any mirrors down there the sharks looking

1045
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: at It's like, I look pretty good. Look at me

1046
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: looking good. I'm kind of a blurry blob, but I

1047
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: assume I'm quite attractive with these eye dangles, little eye tassels.

1048
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: Oh so then when when they rule their eyes, like

1049
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: say something sarcastic and roll their eyes, they get a

1050
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: nice sort of like pendulum movement with with the eye tassels. Yeah,

1051
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: that's actually kind of best of Yeah yeah, shark burlesque.

1052
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: This is great shark burlesque. Right, Yeah, Well we know

1053
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: what goes on because the little mermaid the sharks wearing

1054
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: sexy sunglasses and it comes in. It's like done done,

1055
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: done done, and then it just like takes off the

1056
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: glasses and it's the shark the eye tassels. Yeah, sexy

1057
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: hot cool. Oh yeah. So, actually, the the sharks don't

1058
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: necessarily mind it that much. I mean, we don't know

1059
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: how they feel. They may mind it a hell of

1060
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: a lot, but it doesn't affect their survival too badly,

1061
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: so they they don't rely on their eyesight too heavily

1062
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: to hunt. So they are a functioned pretty well even

1063
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: with these eye dangles going on. And there's actually an

1064
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: un proven theory that oh a lagatta, these copa pods

1065
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: have a mutualistic relationship with the sharks they attached to

1066
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: because they have a bioluminescence, and the theory is that

1067
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: the bioluminescence actually helps attract prey towards the sharks. So

1068
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: the shark, as we know, who is kind of a

1069
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: lazy Garfield like character who doesn't really want to work

1070
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: too hard for his food, just opens his mouth and

1071
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: chomps on anything foolish enough to approach its glowing eye tassels.

1072
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: But that theory is not proven. I do. I am

1073
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: fond of that theory. I really do want it to

1074
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: be true. So I hope they discover that, yes, these

1075
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: burlesque sharks have neon glowing eye tassels that prey just

1076
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: finds irresistible. I want that to be true as well. Yeah,

1077
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: I think that if you're going to have to have

1078
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: an eye tassel, it better be working for you. You

1079
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: better be getting something out of that relationship. You need

1080
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: eye tassels to make eye tassels, and then you use

1081
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: those eye tasks and make money. And I like the

1082
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: idea of some poor, unsuspecting prey just like pretty shiny thing.

1083
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean that happens a lot in

1084
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: the in deep sea areas because you have so little

1085
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: light and bioluminescence is this chemical reaction that happens with

1086
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,479
Speaker 1: bacteria that a lot of animals have adopted. And so

1087
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: if you're in a deep sea angler fish, if you're

1088
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: a deep sea octopus, you can use that bioluminescence both

1089
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: to attract prey as a defensive mechanism to make yourself

1090
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: seem bigger. It's a really handy tool when you're down

1091
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: there and you're in the dark and there's very little

1092
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: visual information other than this bioluminescence. So yeah, it tassels

1093
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: for everybody. We've really come full circle. So I know

1094
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: you guys are probably wondering, Hey, can my eyeballs get

1095
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: eaten by tiny horrible creatures? You know that had occurred

1096
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, so bad news. The answer is yes, uh,

1097
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: and it is, but it is not quite as horrifying

1098
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: as a huge worm dangling from your cornea. It is

1099
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: pretty horrifying, though. So there are, in fact, I am

1100
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: bas that infect human eye So these are tiny microscopic

1101
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: organisms that love to eat human eyeballs. The Acanthamiba is

1102
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: the little stinker who likes to infect and feed on

1103
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: human cornias, and this condition is known as Acanthamiba carotesis.

1104
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: It can even cause blindness if not treated. It's very rare,

1105
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: so for the most part, you don't have to worry

1106
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: about it. But if you wear contact lenses, do either

1107
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: of you wear contact lenses? Nope? Nope, yeah, neither do I.

1108
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: I stick to glasses, and I'm glad I do because

1109
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: contact lens users have to be careful with how they

1110
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: store and wash their lenses because they're at a higher

1111
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: risk of getting infected by the acanthemiba. So if you

1112
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: do wear contact lenses, don't I'm not saying rip them

1113
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: out of your eyeballs right now, especially don't rip them out.

1114
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: But you're you're okay, don't don't panic. You just have

1115
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: to remember that you should not ever use tap water

1116
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: to clean the lenses. You shouldn't wear your contacts while showering, swimming,

1117
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: or using a hot tub because that can increase your

1118
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 1: risk of infection. Because what happens is that contact lenses

1119
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: provide a nice surface for the amiba to latch onto,

1120
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: and so normally they would kind of maybe just get

1121
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: flushed out of the eye. But with the contact lenses,

1122
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 1: they just they have a little like it's a little

1123
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: restaurant for them to sit at and then they can

1124
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: hang out and multiply and eat your cornia. It's a

1125
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: cornia copia, get it. I feel like this is some

1126
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: personal full of eyeball jokes, kind of personal punishment for us,

1127
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna tell you about this thing. They can

1128
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,839
Speaker 1: eat your I used to wear contexts, and I'm nervous

1129
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: for my past self. Oh well, you seem to have

1130
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: gotten through it. I was very not good about taking

1131
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: care of my context I like found another I was

1132
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: putting in one and then another one popped out and

1133
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 1: it was like completely hard and I have no idea

1134
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: how long I don't know. Oh my gosh. I mean

1135
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: that does happen. Like people, you'll forget that you're wearing

1136
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: one and then you put another one on, and it

1137
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: can even be bad. You've got to be careful, and

1138
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: I would suggest for all you you cost players out there,

1139
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: be very careful with the sort of cost playing lenses,

1140
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: the decorative lenses. You should. You're at a much greater

1141
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: risk of getting an eye infection from those as well.

1142
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: So I would advise generally, ED would advise against it, honestly,

1143
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: But if you're going to go with it, I would

1144
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: go get them from a reputable like ophthalmologist, like from

1145
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: a professional, and not just the internet. Yeah. I read

1146
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: a story of someone who got this amiba infection by

1147
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: getting cool cat I contact lenses from a swap meat.

1148
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: So don't do that. Oh no, don't, don't get her

1149
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: swap contact lenses. No, don't get don't get contact lenses

1150
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: from a flea market. Is my honest to you, that's

1151
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: not a second hand item. Gosh, like I'm I'm I'm

1152
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: weirded up. I said, no, it's not a second hand item.

1153
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: It's a second eye item. Oh you set yourself up

1154
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: for that one. That one should have seen it coming.

1155
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: And there goes my audience. They're gone, now bye bye. Well,

1156
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: if they stuck with you that, I think they're good.

1157
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: They're good with parasites. I don't know about puns. I

1158
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: don't know. Well you'll find out. Yeah, this is the time.

1159
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: Maybe I can win them back with some civet poop.

1160
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: So now I want to Yeah, so I want to

1161
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: talk about Asian civits and this is I want to

1162
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: it's the capstone to our food related podcast because it's

1163
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: both about their eating habits and are Weird eating habits

1164
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: when it comes to their poops. So, Asian civits are

1165
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: a small cat like animal that is actually more closely

1166
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: related to bent a Wrong than a cat. Now, for

1167
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: those of you wondering what a bent to wrong is,

1168
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: I actually have talked about it on the show before

1169
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: Are Weird Anatomy episode. I think it's actually called nature

1170
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: You're Drunk, But it's so, this is a bent a

1171
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: wrong looks like a Doctor SEUs fluffy cat, and it

1172
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: actually smells like popcorn because of some anal glands. It's

1173
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: a pretty interesting animal. But yeah, it's related to this

1174
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: civit and the Asian civit is much. It's a little guy.

1175
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: You guys, see that picture of it. It's like it

1176
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: looks it is similar to a kitty, but it's kind

1177
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: of like if you crossed a cat with like a

1178
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: red panda or something. It's like an even cute raccoon. Yes, yes,

1179
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: and they live in South and Southeast Asian forests. They're omnivorous,

1180
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: but they love to drink palm flower sap and they

1181
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: eat fresh coffee beans. So they're also known as the

1182
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: toddy cat, despite not they're not a feline. They're not

1183
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: a cat. But you know, back when we were naming

1184
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: these animals, we didn't know so palm sap tappers would

1185
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: collect palm sap to ferment into palm wine, which is

1186
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: a type of alcoholic beverage. And there are stories of

1187
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: these palm civets getting drunk on the pots of fermenting

1188
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,759
Speaker 1: palm sap. So then they got the name Toddy cat

1189
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: because Toddy is the also the name of the palm wine.

1190
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever had like a hot toddy it's like

1191
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: that sort of Swedish or not Sweedish, but that's sort

1192
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: of sweet alcoholic drink. Yeah, oh yeah yeah, so it's

1193
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: simil delicious similar to that. So yeah, these civts would

1194
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: would get get drunk, and it's, uh, I think it's

1195
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 1: kind of another terrible influence that humans have had on

1196
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: animals is now we're now we're a bad influence and

1197
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: getting them, getting them drunk and have them go out

1198
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: on parties. It's it's terrible, you know. Um, it's not hey,

1199
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: like we want to have a good time. They want

1200
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: to have a good time, like we're just providing. We're

1201
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: providers at the good time. Yeah, that's if that sounds

1202
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: like you're trying to evade responsibility for leading these that's

1203
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: down a dark path. Hey, I'm sure we always say

1204
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: drink responsibly. I've never personally gone up to a civot

1205
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: and been like shot shot shot, So I feel like,

1206
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,879
Speaker 1: I mean, that's oddly specific. So I feel like maybe

1207
01:13:53,960 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: you have so the lady duff to protest too much. So,

1208
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,759
Speaker 1: as you guys may know, we actually do eat civitt

1209
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: poop in the form of coffee and it is called

1210
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: kopelo wak. I hope I'm pronouncing that right, And it

1211
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: is made out of coffee beans collected from civitt poop. Now,

1212
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: apparently the civits digestive system for mince the beans so

1213
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: that they come out tasty in their poops. And there

1214
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: are also claims that the civit will choose the best

1215
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,520
Speaker 1: beans to eat, so they poop out the most premium

1216
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:36,799
Speaker 1: of coffee beans, like like premium selection in this civit

1217
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: turd a. I see. So, so okay, I've been wondering

1218
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: about this actually, like is it is this chill for

1219
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: the civits like, are they happy doing this? Well, so

1220
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: this is the sad part of the story. It is

1221
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: if we just picked up their poop after they left

1222
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: it in the forest, that would probably be fine. I mean,

1223
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: as long as we there was some. Obviously, if we

1224
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: collected all the poop, I think that would be bad

1225
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: for the coffee plants because then that would reduce their

1226
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 1: ability to spread their seed. In fact, civets are really

1227
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: great at spreading the seeds of various plants and trees

1228
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: because they eat a lot of eat a lot of

1229
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: berries and things with seeds in it, and then they

1230
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: go and poop somewhere else and that that is great

1231
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: for the forest. But yeah, I mean, if we if

1232
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: we just collected some poop occasionally, I think that would

1233
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: be okay. Unfortunately, we're humans, so of course we don't

1234
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: stop at that. Because of the popularity of Coopilua, it

1235
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: is becoming a big problem for the civits. Civits are

1236
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: being trapped and kept in cages and they're being fed

1237
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: coffee beans just so they'll poop it out. So it's uh,

1238
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, they're being farmed in a way that I

1239
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: think is really not It's very bad for the civits.

1240
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: It's bad for their populations. We don't really know what

1241
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: effect this has on their natural populations, but it's not

1242
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: going to be good. And their living conditions are not

1243
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: good either. So I would say, as tempting as it

1244
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: is to eat civit poop coffee, I wouldn't do it

1245
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: because of the problem of the sourcing and these these

1246
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: not not very good practices. I have so many mixed

1247
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: feelings about this. I you know, it's it's I do

1248
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: like trying new things. It's a shame that I shouldn't

1249
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: try that. But I don't know exactly how upset I

1250
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: can be about being like, well, not that poop. I'm

1251
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: just not gonna eat just not gonna eat that poop.

1252
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: It is. It is a big conflict because, on the

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Speaker 1: one hand, the opportunity to drink poop and pay he

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Speaker 1: it's very expensive, so you're paying a huge amount for

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Speaker 1: poop coffee. I would love that. That's living my best

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Speaker 1: life if I were, if I was a rich person,

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Speaker 1: you bet I'd be paying thousands of dollars to drink

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Speaker 1: poop coffee. But of course the moral aspect, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't bring myself to do it. Like, I think

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Speaker 1: the idea of just just kind of picking up maybe

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Speaker 1: with the doggy poop bag some of the Civett poop

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Speaker 1: and harvesting the beans, that's pretty charming, but obviously the

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Speaker 1: reality is very different. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I would agree,

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Speaker 1: I would agree. I mean, and everybody poops, uh, that's true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you know, we talk about bacteria poop and used

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Speaker 1: poop all the time on the show, but usually usually

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Speaker 1: that's like the micro poop is the only poop we

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Speaker 1: get to talk about. So this is this is fun

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Speaker 1: what you talk about. You talk about like the sort

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Speaker 1: of fecal material that gets everywhere. Oh no, just about

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Speaker 1: like a just about fermentation of any kind. It's really

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Speaker 1: you know what you're talking about, bacteria and stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: bacteria poop. Yeah. Yeah, you're drinking, Yeah, I mean we're drinking.

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Speaker 1: We're drinking bacteria poop when we drink wine, exactly, sure,

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Speaker 1: And it's delicious. I mean, bacteria poop makes everything better.

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Speaker 1: I mean, aren't the civits kind of hypocrites because they're

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Speaker 1: drinking fermented palm juice, so they're drinking bacteria poop. But

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Speaker 1: we can't drink the civet's poop, I mean, ridiculous need

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Speaker 1: to fight for their better treatment so that we can drink.

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Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. I feel like, yeah, free range,

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Speaker 1: free range poop, cage free, free range civet poop. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's Unfortunately, it's probably pretty difficult to source

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Speaker 1: the poop. I don't know how you would determine whether

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Speaker 1: this was humanely collected poop or not. So I would

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Speaker 1: if you're worried about the the the humaneness of it,

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Speaker 1: I would probably just avoid it. I mean, it is

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Speaker 1: incredibly expensive anyways. So it's kind of sad because it's

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things that at first it's kind

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Speaker 1: of charming, like, oh, you know, drinking drinking weird civet

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Speaker 1: poop as a fancy drink. That's fun. But then it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: of course we have to be crappy about it. Not

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Speaker 1: that was. I didn't mean that as a pun. That

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Speaker 1: was I wasn't trying to make a pun out of

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Speaker 1: a terrible situation. Okay, maybe it was a little bit

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Speaker 1: to sue me. Yeah, sue you get get that important

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Speaker 1: civet poop money. No, no, no no, I'm big civets. Oh god, well, so,

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Speaker 1: I just before we go, there's like a couple of

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Speaker 1: news items I wanted to really briefly talked about. Apparently,

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Speaker 1: baby t rexes were fuzzy, little turkey sized monsters, which

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Speaker 1: I love. There's new fossil evidence that indicates that they

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Speaker 1: had this little fluffy layer of feathers sort of down

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Speaker 1: like feathers, and then that they are we're about the

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Speaker 1: size of a turkey. That is. That sounds so cute

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Speaker 1: and no, less terrifying than a normal regular t rex.

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Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say, no, less terrifying than a

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Speaker 1: normal regular turkey, which would also be accurate. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: absolutely no. I don't like birds. Okay, I realized that

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Speaker 1: I heard a bird hater on this show. Just you

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Speaker 1: get out of here. I'm not a bird hater. I'm

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Speaker 1: just a bird. Respect a bird. Feel there, I see

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Speaker 1: you fear the power of birds. That's appropriate. They will,

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Speaker 1: I do, they will? I mean, the bird revolution is nigh,

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Speaker 1: it's imminent. You are wise to respect the authority of birds. Okay, no, no, work,

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Speaker 1: We're cool now, that's fine. Oh yeah, no, no, like

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Speaker 1: they want to eat your eyeballs and they can fly,

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Speaker 1: and they're dinosaurs. And I don't like that combination of things. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wonder though, if if we lived it, Okay, if

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Speaker 1: if we had dinosaurs, right, if we had a Jurassic Park,

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Speaker 1: there's zero percent chance that we wouldn't do a t

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Speaker 1: rex duck in right, like we would do do a

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Speaker 1: tyrannosaur stuck and just start shoving ever smaller dinosaurs inside

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Speaker 1: of the t X. Yeah, No, we would. It's true,

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Speaker 1: we would, and I just don't think it tastes good.

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Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be about the taste. It wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: about the taste. It would be about teaching the dinosaurs

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Speaker 1: a lesson, like, look, you try to any more of

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Speaker 1: our amusement park visitors, Look, what's going to happen to you?

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Speaker 1: You're going to become an abomination of solid dino meat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're like showing them the menu, like pointing at it

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Speaker 1: very emphatically, like that could be you there, big margarita's

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Speaker 1: at hand. Yeah, I mean maybe that's kind of about right.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's I guess that's sort of what we've done.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that last week on the episode. I

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Speaker 1: talked about the domestication of of turkeys and chickens, and

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Speaker 1: in a way it is it is kind of I

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Speaker 1: think we are trying to humiliate dinosaurs to kind of

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Speaker 1: let them know, like, never try again to own this planet,

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Speaker 1: because we will humiliate you by turning you into really

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Speaker 1: fluffy chickens. Wow, echoes across time. Yeah, if any of

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Speaker 1: them ever have a time machine, they're they're gonna flash

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Speaker 1: forward now and go like, oh no, we better keep

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Speaker 1: in mind. I feel like that's the turtles in time.

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Speaker 1: It's coming for sure. Um. I was also thinking, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this is true, but when I was

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Speaker 1: in Australia, there's a saying piste as a parrot, which

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Speaker 1: meant drunk as a parrot, because parrots would get drunk

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Speaker 1: fermented berries and you would see them just kind of

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Speaker 1: flying around, crashing into things and shouting weird, weird stuff.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of like, yeah, the the drunk bird,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to deal with the ramifications you're duck in

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Speaker 1: they actually have. So this is it's a common thing

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Speaker 1: where they have bird drunk tanks because a lot of

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Speaker 1: birds get drunk off of fermented berries, and there's like,

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Speaker 1: especially in Canada, they have a lot of these winter

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Speaker 1: birds that in the winter the berries free and but

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Speaker 1: the birds still eat them, but they've fermented, and so

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Speaker 1: they try to rescue these drunk birds and hold them

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Speaker 1: in the bird drunk tanks until they feel better so

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Speaker 1: they can be released sober up birds. See. See, I'm

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Speaker 1: not that was There's no peer pressure there. I'm not

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Speaker 1: responsible for that. You cannot blame me for the natural

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Speaker 1: process of fermentation. The civit thing maybe, but you're like you,

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Speaker 1: But I'm not out sneaking up behind a wax swing

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Speaker 1: and just going shots shots, shots, shot, shot shots. I'm

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Speaker 1: onto you. That's just gonna miss scaled. The problem is

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Speaker 1: that's just gonna make the bird revolution come more swiftly

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Speaker 1: and more angrily. So you know, really we're writing our own,

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Speaker 1: our own history here. It's true. Well, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me, ladies. I love I love your podcast.

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Speaker 1: I think especially around the holidays, it's a great list

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Speaker 1: because it talks about the culture of food and do

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Speaker 1: you want to talk a little bit about how you

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Speaker 1: get why you guys are interested in talking about food

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Speaker 1: in our culinary habits. Uh? Sure. I think one of

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01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: the things we really enjoy is that we all have

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Speaker 1: to eat and there's this very powerful sense of connection

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Speaker 1: and shared culture and history and when you stop and

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01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: think about I don't know, if you're eating something that

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01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: you just never pause to wonder how did this get here?

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01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: And why do we eat it this way? Yeah, and

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01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: like just the traditions around it and the the stories

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01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: behind it, we find some fascity. Yeah. And also the

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01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: science is really cool. Um, just the way that plants work,

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Speaker 1: in the way that animals work and how they grow

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01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: and how you know, what they eat and how they

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01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: can feed us. Um. And so that this has been

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Speaker 1: a real treat because like usually we're like, okay, like

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Speaker 1: look at this cute monkey. Here's what it tastes like,

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01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: and it's it can get real weird, real fast. Like

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01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: talking about animals and not talking about eating all of

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01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 1: them has been really cool. Yeah, a lot of times

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01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: we have to be like, look, we're a food podcast.

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01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: We want to talk about snail six all the time,

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01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: but we've got to move on. So, Yeah, this has

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Speaker 1: been really wonderful. Well, it's been lovely having you guys,

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Speaker 1: so again, you guys can check out Annie and Lauren

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Speaker 1: on Savor Podcast. It's also here on the the How

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works. I Heart Media Network. So it's been great

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Speaker 1: to talk to you, and is there anything else you

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Speaker 1: guys want to plug? Like any social media people can

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Speaker 1: saber pod dot com and we are on Twitter, Instagram

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Speaker 1: and Facebook at saber Pod. We do hope to hearten you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you can find us on the internet Creature Feature

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Speaker 1: f e a t f e et is something very

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Speaker 1: different and you can find me as always at Katie

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Speaker 1: Golden on Twitter. I'm also at Pro Bird Rights, where

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Speaker 1: I fight for the rights of birds to take over

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Speaker 1: humanity and get the world back on track. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you you really done gooped when you revealed your anti

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Speaker 1: bird propaganda there, Yeah yourself, I'll just quietly leave you.

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