WEBVTT - #745 Packers Unscripted: Progress in Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague Weston Hodquitz. Coming to you hear

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<v Speaker 1>from our studios at Lambeufield to talk about, unfortunately, another

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<v Speaker 1>tough loss for the Packers West twenty three to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>to the Pittsburgh Steelers at Akrascher Stadium. Just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>say that one more time for your benefit, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you're getting paid over here, Mike doing it that often.

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<v Speaker 1>My feeling, my feeling on this game. I wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>it already in a few different places. Yes, the ending

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<v Speaker 1>was the same and the ending was just as frustrating

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<v Speaker 1>as the other similar endings that the Packers have been

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<v Speaker 1>subject to this season. But this was not the same

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<v Speaker 1>script as far as the game goes, and the script

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<v Speaker 1>and the way this game unfolded gives you something to

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<v Speaker 1>feel a little bit better about with the Packers than

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<v Speaker 1>some of these other losses that we've had to discuss.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're not a big social media guy, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not a big meme guy, but this almost, this game

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<v Speaker 2>to me almost kind of felt like the kombucha Lady

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<v Speaker 2>where she's like trying to determine whether or not she

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<v Speaker 2>liked the flavor of it, and it's going back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of been me in the aftermath of this loss,

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<v Speaker 2>because when it first happened, I was pretty disappointed. I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thought I was like, Man, it happened to

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<v Speaker 2>these guys again, Yeah, where they just they they fell

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<v Speaker 2>into a spot where they're having to play and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to win in the fourth quarter. But the more and

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<v Speaker 2>more time passes, the more content I am with not

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<v Speaker 2>only the outcome of the game, but where the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>are at this point in time. And I think you

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of feel that a little bit with Matt Lafleur,

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<v Speaker 2>with this locker room. You don't want to lose, and

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<v Speaker 2>a loss is a loss is a loss.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we stinks.

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<v Speaker 2>There were so many things that when we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the signs of progression from week one to week ten,

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<v Speaker 2>the things that necessarily didn't always see in the losses

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this season that were present in this game against

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<v Speaker 2>the Steelers. The Packers got off to a faster start offensively, defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>gave up some points, first time in thirteen straight games

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<v Speaker 2>where they gave up a touchdown on the opening offensive

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<v Speaker 2>possession for the opposing team.

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<v Speaker 1>First touchdown on the opening drive for the offense since

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<v Speaker 1>week one.

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<v Speaker 2>Since week one. Yeah, And it wasn't that they just

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<v Speaker 2>scored a touchdown. It was that they had to respond

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<v Speaker 2>right right. They had to actually match the touchdown that

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<v Speaker 2>the Pittsburgh had had. And then I look at some

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys that stepped up along the way AJ

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<v Speaker 2>Dillon running the way he's been running the last few weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>this rookie class, this skill position players being able to

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<v Speaker 2>step up and defensively, not defending the run as well

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<v Speaker 2>as they have been two hundred plus yards unacceptable, but

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<v Speaker 2>not finding and sort of falling and regressing after that

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<v Speaker 2>first series, those first two series where they give up

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen points, the defense came back and battled the Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Packers have a lot of work to do in

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<v Speaker 2>three and six is not good enough. But now that

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<v Speaker 2>were forty eight hours away from this thing, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they're small things that Matt Lafleur and this coaching

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<v Speaker 2>staff can point to towards we did this better. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we need to do it to the level of which

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be able to win a football game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the start for the defense was very frustrating to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>As you said, Pittsburgh scored touchdowns on their first two possessions,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a field goal on their third possession, so

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<v Speaker 1>they had seventeen points on three drives out of the gate,

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<v Speaker 1>and quite frankly that what was the most disappointing thing

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<v Speaker 1>with the way the defense started the game was that

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<v Speaker 1>until the final third down of the third drive, they

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<v Speaker 1>did not get Pittsburgh in anything worse than a third

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<v Speaker 1>and three. I mean, my point is they didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>really give themselves much of a chance to get off

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<v Speaker 1>the field because Pittsburgh just stayed ahead of the chains

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<v Speaker 1>for essentially three drives until that third one ended in

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<v Speaker 1>the red zone and they were in third and long

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<v Speaker 1>and then ended up having to kick a field goal.

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<v Speaker 1>So that for to see the Packers' offense start the

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<v Speaker 1>way it did and to start productively and still find

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in a seventeen to seven hole in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the second quarter was definitely deflating a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other regrets in this game. And we'll certainly talk about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the positives that we think the Packers are

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<v Speaker 1>going to build on, but again, drop passes on offense,

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<v Speaker 1>the penalties on both sides of the ball hurt. A

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<v Speaker 1>blocked extra point, you can't overstate how large a role

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<v Speaker 1>that played in the game, because you know the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>then on those final two drives they have to get

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<v Speaker 1>a touchdown instead of being able to settle for what

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<v Speaker 1>might have been a game tying field goal to extend

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and then you never know what happens after that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the blocked extra point, the replay review thing, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even going to get into it. I said my

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<v Speaker 1>piece in Monday Mornings Insider Inbox. I'll stand by what

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<v Speaker 1>I said there, and I know you're not really interested

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<v Speaker 1>in talking about it either.

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<v Speaker 2>All I'm gonna say, if I may really quickly, is

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<v Speaker 2>that New York when when New York started jumping in

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<v Speaker 2>on these calls where it wasn't just on the officials

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<v Speaker 2>at the field, That's where I thought maybe we would

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<v Speaker 2>start to get a little bit more clarity on these things.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it's muddled the water even worse because

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, I'll be honest with you, if it

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<v Speaker 2>was just up to Scott Novak and his and his

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<v Speaker 2>staff and his crew on the field, okay, whatever, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just he's They're calling back to the New York office

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<v Speaker 2>to try to make sense of these things and they

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<v Speaker 2>still can't figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, you look at Dean Blandino for the thirty third

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<v Speaker 2>team and I get it. Man, I'm the biggest Dean

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<v Speaker 2>Blandino stand there is. But what I will keep saying,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike is that when Dean Blandino was the VP officiing

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<v Speaker 2>in the National Football League, there was accountability. Every week

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<v Speaker 2>Dean Blandino was coming out there, he was explaining, clarifying

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<v Speaker 2>what the calls were, good, bad, and everything in between. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>it's no longer out river On. But the way that

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<v Speaker 2>this has degressed for the NFL in the last ten years,

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<v Speaker 2>I have never had less confidence in officiating week to

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<v Speaker 2>week and in any of my time covering the National

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<v Speaker 2>Football League.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, I agree. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my only two cents.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you entirely, And as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I will stand by what I said. I answered multiple

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<v Speaker 1>questions about it in Monday Mornings Insider inbox. I am

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<v Speaker 1>quite confident, even though I've only positive a theory, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>quite confident that I'm right in how in how that

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<v Speaker 1>went down. I'll let you folks read it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to take it in the business.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but other regrets too, even aside from that one,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And as you mentioned, the defense did bounce back,

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<v Speaker 1>they gave the offense a chance to come back, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers actually did take the lead in this game.

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<v Speaker 1>But we had talked all week last week about needing

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<v Speaker 1>to win the turnover battle, and at a time when

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<v Speaker 1>the turnovers in the game were zero zero, Packers had

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<v Speaker 1>the best chance for one that would have potentially turned

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<v Speaker 1>the game around, and unfortunately, Devandre Campbell led an interception,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a pick sick slip through his hands. How many

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<v Speaker 1>times coming back from these road games are we talking

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<v Speaker 1>about interceptions and potential pick six. Is that the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>are not coming up with the plays. Those are the

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<v Speaker 1>game changers, those are the ones you gotta have. Campbell's

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<v Speaker 1>not the only one who's missed one this year. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been it's been all season long. So you get on

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<v Speaker 1>the plane with those with those regrets as well, after

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<v Speaker 1>you take a deep breath and you try to settle

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<v Speaker 1>in and go, okay, how are you going to move

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<v Speaker 1>forward here and try to get a home win over

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<v Speaker 1>the La Chargers, and we'll talk more about the Chargers

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<v Speaker 1>on our next episode. But when you look at what

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<v Speaker 1>this offense did Wes, you know, it's not just Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Love thrown for two eighty nine. It's not just putting

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<v Speaker 1>up three ninety nine total in a road game. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the The explosive play was back suddenly for the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers. Six plays, six offensive plays in this game,

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<v Speaker 1>five passes, one run that were twenty eight yards or longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Those six plays accounted for over two hundred yards, more

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<v Speaker 1>than half of the three hundred and ninety nine. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how you get productivity in this league. And even saying

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<v Speaker 1>the six of twenty eight or more, there were two

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<v Speaker 1>or three others that were twenty twenty two to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three yards right in that range as well. The explosive

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<v Speaker 1>play was there. I thought, I thought Jordan loves delivery

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<v Speaker 1>when the explosive plays were there to be made, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought he was. I thought he was spot on. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's no question that even with the two interceptions

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the game, Jordan Love played his

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<v Speaker 1>best game as a Green Bay Packer.

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<v Speaker 2>He made the throws that you want to see a

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<v Speaker 2>franchise quarterback, make the decision making, and obviously the red zone,

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<v Speaker 2>the one for five that Green Bay had down there.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll continue to be debated this week. It's something people

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna have their eye on. But I was watching

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<v Speaker 2>somebody had cut up all those explosive plays and put

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<v Speaker 2>them together. That's a real deal NFL quarterback. The way

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<v Speaker 2>he stepped into the pocket, the way he saw through

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<v Speaker 2>the pass rush, the way he was able to keep

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<v Speaker 2>his eyes downfield and deliver good footballs. And yeah, there

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<v Speaker 2>were some fun ones. The thirty five yard touchdown to

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<v Speaker 2>Jayden Reid, the forty six yard pass to Jaden Reid,

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<v Speaker 2>which was kind of a broken play, the seam to

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<v Speaker 2>Luke Musgrave, the corner to Luke Musgrave. But as I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote about an insider Inbox, I think my favorite play

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<v Speaker 2>was the Dontavian Wicks one because it came off somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>off schedule and it was a rookie fifth round pick

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<v Speaker 2>finding a hole in the secondary in Jordan Love, dancing left,

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<v Speaker 2>dancing right, doing all these little maneuvers within the pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>standing tall and delivering a thirty two yard pass on

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<v Speaker 2>third and long. Green Bay really executed, I thought well.

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<v Speaker 2>Within the offense in this game, they need to get

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<v Speaker 2>back to producing like they did earlier this season in

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<v Speaker 2>the red zone. That was a huge strength for them

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<v Speaker 2>early on. But overall, again, I just I think when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the litmus test for Jordan Love and

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<v Speaker 2>him checking the boxes you want to see with him

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<v Speaker 2>being aotential, you know, starting quarterback for the future for

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay, there were so many promising signs in this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I one hundred, which which makes ending tough, you know, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing is to see the game, to

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<v Speaker 1>see the game end with the back to back interceptions,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'll start with this, the one on the

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<v Speaker 1>last play of the game. The fact that the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>take over on their own nineteen yard line with fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine seconds left and no timeouts and needing a touchdown,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jordan Love gets them to the sixteen yard line

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<v Speaker 1>with three seconds left to get even a legitimate shot

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<v Speaker 1>at the end zone. I thought that was some impressive work.

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<v Speaker 1>And it started with, as you said, the forty six

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<v Speaker 1>yard passed to Jayden Reid. That was some really good

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<v Speaker 1>improv by both guys, by about the quarterback and the

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<v Speaker 1>receiver to find that opening for a big play. You

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<v Speaker 1>convert the fourth down to aj Dillon, you know, hustle up,

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<v Speaker 1>spike the ball, give yourself a chance. The interception on

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<v Speaker 1>the last play though, I mean, come on, folks, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>look at the film. Steelers have seven guys who are

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<v Speaker 1>literally lined up sidelined to sideline across the goal line.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, which is how you defend which which is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how you defend that. And you need you need

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<v Speaker 1>a p you need practically a miracle to uh to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get that ball into the end zone.

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<v Speaker 1>And and Love took it. He took his shot. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work out, it got picked off. I don't blame

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<v Speaker 1>him for that interception. I didn't like the one on

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<v Speaker 1>the previous possession though, and and Matt Lafluur has made

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<v Speaker 1>has made some comments about that because they tried the

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<v Speaker 1>out and up with Christian Watson down the sideline. Watson

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really sell the out before he went up. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it wasn't the best route, and as Matt Lafluur

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<v Speaker 1>also said, it wasn't the best coverage. Look for that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a route to try to make that play

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<v Speaker 1>in the red zone where the field is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit tighter, and when it's only second down from the

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen yard line, there wasn't there wasn't the need necessary

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<v Speaker 1>really to uh to gopher broke there, so that one, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, does does fall on Jordan and it does

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<v Speaker 1>fall on h On Watson for a couple of different reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>A heck of a play by Patrick Peterson. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what can you say, A veteran guy who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in Canton someday whenever he's still playing, but whenever

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<v Speaker 1>it's five years after he's retired, the guy is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in Canton, and he made he made made

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<v Speaker 1>a whale.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a play. It was if I can't just mention

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<v Speaker 2>this because you and I were discussing this at our cubicles. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>on Monday. It reminded me of your dad in the driveway,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like, you may have all the athleticism in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. You might be the better, you know, more

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<v Speaker 2>more conditioned athlete at this point, but the old man's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna back into every once in a while and he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna post up and maybe not dunk, but he'll he'll

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<v Speaker 2>get the ball in the hoop. Yeah, that's Patrick Peterson

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<v Speaker 2>at the stage of his career and he finds a

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<v Speaker 2>way to make things happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that a heck of a heck of a play

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<v Speaker 1>by him. But you'd love to see the Packers. You'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to see Jordan Love and the offense kind of

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<v Speaker 1>live to play another down there and take your crack on.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, third and nine from the fourteen, you still

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<v Speaker 1>got plenty of time on the clock to get that touchdown,

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<v Speaker 1>or who knows, maybe with that much time on the

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<v Speaker 1>clock and you got three timeouts, and you know the

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<v Speaker 1>defense had you know, been hanging in there. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you end up actually kicking the field goal and try

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<v Speaker 1>to get the ball back one more time for another

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<v Speaker 1>field goal to win. Who knows, But they didn't give

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<v Speaker 1>themselves that opportunity. But we also have to point out

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<v Speaker 1>here we talked all last week about a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>darn good edge rushers for the Pittsburgh Steelers and TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Watt and Alex high Smith, And credit to Rashid Walker

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<v Speaker 1>and to Zach Tom also to the plan. When you

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at the film, you see you see

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<v Speaker 1>the chip blocks, you see the help in certain situations

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<v Speaker 1>that don't allow Watt and high Smith to just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pin their ears back, as they say, and come after

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback. The Packers slowed those guys up. They neutralized

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<v Speaker 1>them as best they could. When Jordan Love is dropping

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<v Speaker 1>back forty plus times and you look at the stat

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<v Speaker 1>sheet at the end of the game and Alex Highsmith

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<v Speaker 1>has almost no stats to speak of and TJ. Watt

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<v Speaker 1>just has one sack and two quarterback hits on forty

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<v Speaker 1>plus pass dropbacks in Pittsburgh on the road. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>heck of an effort in pass protection by the Packers.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's another good sign here moving forward, because we've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about, you know, when is this offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>going to settle in to you know, to where they

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<v Speaker 1>are with the young players that are fitting in and

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out their roles and everything and helping this offense

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<v Speaker 1>find a level of efficiency. That game, that game, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>was hopefully the start of that because that was a

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<v Speaker 1>challenge against the Pittsburgh pass rush, and the Pittsburgh pass

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<v Speaker 1>rush did not dictate how that game went.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't. I was super impressed. You had to read

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<v Speaker 2>about it in my inbox. But Zach Tom the effort

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<v Speaker 2>he had in that game, and there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times I isolated.

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<v Speaker 1>Just on him outstanding performance again against against a tremendous player.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was you know, Aaron Jones chipping here

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<v Speaker 2>and there. You know, guys the tight ends contributing to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But there were a lot of times too where Zach

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<v Speaker 2>Tom just had to get into his backstep his kickstep,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just him versus TJ. Watt yep and

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<v Speaker 2>what is going to make his plays? He just will,

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<v Speaker 2>but they again neutralize that threat. Can't say enough about

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<v Speaker 2>really Walker, really this entire offensive line. I've watched that

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<v Speaker 2>run too by AJ Dillon probably about a half dozen times.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Man, you cannot execute a sequence of blocks better

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<v Speaker 1>than how the Packers executed on that play. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>you might have missed, which is now on the website

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<v Speaker 1>if people want to check out the video clips and

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<v Speaker 1>my diagram my descriptions. I look specifically at all six

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<v Speaker 1>of the twenty eight plus yard explosives and try to

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<v Speaker 1>diagram and explain how and why they worked, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I was talking with Burt Griffin in the

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<v Speaker 2>locker room afterwards from WFRV, and he said, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the old John Riggins play where it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you give Rashid Walker gets on his guy and you

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<v Speaker 2>have both Runyon and Tom pulling from the right side,

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<v Speaker 2>and they sealed it off perfectly. And for aj Dillon Man,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that has kind of had to go through

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<v Speaker 2>some pitfalls this season, but to be able to finally

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<v Speaker 2>get that high stepping down the sideline the old Walter

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<v Speaker 2>Payton style, I can only imagine how that must have

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<v Speaker 2>felt to him, and to be able to get up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that game in itself, Mike basically rose his

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<v Speaker 2>average yards percary from three point three to three point seven.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the difference of an explosive play. The Packers have

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<v Speaker 2>to get all their different various playmakers kind of all

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<v Speaker 2>kicking at the same time. Here. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a tougher game for Aaron Jones. There was lamenting some

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<v Speaker 2>issues afterwards, but by and large Green Bay has had

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<v Speaker 2>most of their weapons available now and you're seeing when

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<v Speaker 2>they're used in concert how dynamic they can be.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll just say this with regard to and I

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<v Speaker 1>try to explain this, am I what you might have

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<v Speaker 1>missed piece as well. For those who like to get

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<v Speaker 1>all hung up on scheme and play calling, versus execution.

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<v Speaker 1>When coaches, when guys like us say, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the film and there's you know, things are

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<v Speaker 1>there to be executed that aren't executed properly. That forty

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<v Speaker 1>yard run by aj Dillon. Packers had a seven man

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line, five linemen, two tight ends, one on each side.

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<v Speaker 1>The Steelers had an eight man box. It was seven

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<v Speaker 1>on eight. Schematically, that's advantage defense. But when everything is

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<v Speaker 1>executed the way you draw it up, it's a busted

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<v Speaker 1>It's a busted run out the gate for forty yards.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not all about scheme and play calling, folks. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about how the guys on the field execute their assignments.

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<v Speaker 1>And that play was a perfect example of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the plays in which Green Bay were able

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<v Speaker 2>to generate those explosives, it speaks to that the challenge

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<v Speaker 2>for green Bay just tying this all together in a

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<v Speaker 2>bow is what you said earlier with the mixed extra point,

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<v Speaker 2>with the blocked extra point. Green Bay was finding themselves

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<v Speaker 2>back and playing from behind from pretty much the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>They got that quick little lead at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the third quarter, but then obviously the Pittsburgh Steelers came

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<v Speaker 2>back and answered with what is probably an all Pro

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<v Speaker 2>type season right now from Chris Boswell, with the way

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<v Speaker 2>he's playing. Yeah, and for Green Bay, it just shows

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<v Speaker 2>you why every single thing you do has to be tight. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have it all coming together at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's what That's what I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Packers, the Packers are at the stage where

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to put it together. They're trying, they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to they're trying to grow, they're trying to get this

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<v Speaker 1>thing going. But you're still at the stage where your

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<v Speaker 1>margin of error is incredibly thin. And when your margin

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<v Speaker 1>of error is as thin as it is with this

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<v Speaker 1>Packers team, every little thing matters. And yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a blocked extra point that plays a huge role

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<v Speaker 1>in the game when the field goal unit. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Lafleur, was coach to alter the snap count and

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<v Speaker 1>to not allow a guy, a veteran like Patrick Peterson

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<v Speaker 1>coming off the edge to time the snap and get

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<v Speaker 1>the jump that he needs. Yes, there should have been

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<v Speaker 1>a better block on him, but he's also not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to time up the snap that well.

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<v Speaker 1>But yet he was. Because it looked like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the operation was, everything was normal, nothing was really changed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Those those are the little things. Aaron Jones not getting

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<v Speaker 1>out of bounds on the final drive on the checkdown pass,

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<v Speaker 1>he has a chance to you know, to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the sideline and save you know, fifteen eighteen seconds before,

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<v Speaker 1>which are time that the Packers end up losing before

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<v Speaker 1>their next snap, which then is why you only get

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<v Speaker 1>one crack at the end zone once you get inside

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty, you don't have maybe two or three there

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<v Speaker 1>because there isn't the time on the clock. Every little

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<v Speaker 1>thing matters with this team. And that's why this one,

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<v Speaker 1>this one was was this one hurt more in a

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<v Speaker 1>sense in terms of the regrets. The regrets in this

0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.399
<v Speaker 1>one hurt more, but for a good reason because there

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<v Speaker 1>were so many other good things that had happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and this team is, this team is getting there.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta believe that at some point point one of

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<v Speaker 1>these final drives is going to result in is going

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<v Speaker 1>to result in the victory, and then it really becomes

0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.280
<v Speaker 1>something that they can build on. But they've got to

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<v Speaker 1>keep they've got to continue to cut down on those

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes that are proving so costly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's where I think, in my opinion, when

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<v Speaker 2>I look at this whole scenario right now for green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay in the way it's working out, I'd be more

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<v Speaker 2>concerned if you didn't have the young guys making plays.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be more concerned if this was a veteran leaden

0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.240
<v Speaker 2>team that is making the mistakes that they're making. They're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of being the team that we sort of expected

0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.160
<v Speaker 2>they were going to be. Unfortunately for green Bay, they've

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<v Speaker 2>been going up against a team like Pittsburgh that, in

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<v Speaker 2>addition being credibly well coached, they do have veteran leaders

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<v Speaker 2>where you need them, and I think, in some ways,

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<v Speaker 2>getting back to that Patrick Peterson analogy earlier, when you

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<v Speaker 2>have the guys that have been there and done that, Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it is experienced, it helps you prevail.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I say one last thing on the game before

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<v Speaker 2>we move on? Yeah, because I didn't get a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to mention it. Kishawn Nixon. I had another big return

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<v Speaker 2>forty nine yards.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he did.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say this because I want people

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<v Speaker 2>to understand that that we're getting close here to what

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<v Speaker 2>I would consider to be another all pro type season,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's done it without like that huge return. Kishawn

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<v Speaker 2>Nixon now twenty six point four yards per return. The

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<v Speaker 2>only kickoff returner in the league right now that I

0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.600
<v Speaker 2>believe is above four hundred return yards. Kishaw Nixon's at

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<v Speaker 2>five oh two and it's getting cold out. That could

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<v Speaker 2>be a big thing to follow the second half.

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<v Speaker 1>Of this season, Absolutely no question about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for this Wes Hokowitz minut. It brought to

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<v Speaker 2>you by Cousin Subths. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm glad you brought that up because that even

0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that even points out another regret that you have, which

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<v Speaker 1>is when you know you get really good field position

0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.920
<v Speaker 1>off of a you know, a kick return near midfield

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:11.679
<v Speaker 1>by Keishawn Nixon, but then the offense goes three and

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<v Speaker 1>out and you're not able to able to capitalize capitalize

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:16.480
<v Speaker 1>on it when maybe all you need is one or

0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.160
<v Speaker 1>two first downs and you're getting three points on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>And in a game you lose by four with a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of red zone cracks at the end, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every every point matters. Looking around the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>league in Week ten, it's funny how this league works, Wes.

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<v Speaker 1>It truly is a week to week league, because last week,

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<v Speaker 1>at this time in this show, I said, well, all

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<v Speaker 1>the big games the home team's held serve yep, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Well look what happens the following week. Cleveland wins at Baltimore,

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<v Speaker 1>Houston wins at Cincinnati, San Francisco wins at Jacksonville, Detroit

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<v Speaker 1>wins at the Chargers, all of the big games that

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about heading into the weekend, the road team

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<v Speaker 1>ends up pulling them out, and Washington almost wins at

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle the game in a game that comes down to

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<v Speaker 1>the wire. A really wild, absolutely wild week in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>The Monday night game ended up being the sixth game

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<v Speaker 1>of the week in the NFL that ended on a

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<v Speaker 1>walk off field goal, which is an all time record.

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<v Speaker 1>It was already an all time record at five, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Monday night made it six. You also had two

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<v Speaker 1>other games that I know of from highlights that I

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<v Speaker 1>watched that came down to a Hail Mary on the

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<v Speaker 1>last play of the game. And then of course you

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<v Speaker 1>have the Packers game with a shot at final play

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown from inside the red zone. The games this week

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL were wildly entertaining and some pretty significant results,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with some of those things that happened in the AFC,

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<v Speaker 1>with Cleveland beating Baltimore, Houston beating Cincinnati, and then on

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<v Speaker 1>Monday night, the Denver Broncos on the road beat the

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Bills and suddenly the Broncos and Russell Wilson and

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Payton are in the playoff conversation in the AFC.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my biggest thing from this weekend, Michael and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get a chance to watch it live, but I

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<v Speaker 2>watched the highlights. I have so much respect right now

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<v Speaker 2>for the Vikings, Kevin O'Connell, that entire front office, Josh

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<v Speaker 2>Dobbs going in there and playing the way he's playing

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<v Speaker 2>right now. And did you see that clip too where

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<v Speaker 2>he got to us Bank Stadium. He didn't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the Vikings locker room. Oh no, I

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<v Speaker 2>like the security people were actually like directing him around. Shay,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been there too, brother, I mean I've been there too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tough place to figure out. But yeah, this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he makes plays. He makes plays with his

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<v Speaker 2>feet and Mike. I've said this so many times and

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<v Speaker 2>I think I even mentioned it a few times when

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers was hurt in the past. In order for

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<v Speaker 2>backup quarterbacks to succeed, you are not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to win the same way that your starter did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can have a guy that might fit the scheme

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, but a lot of times it comes down

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<v Speaker 2>to organized chaos and Josh Dobbs has mastered that. And

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<v Speaker 2>for them to go in and perform the way they

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<v Speaker 2>did and hold Serve against New Orleans with the menagerie

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<v Speaker 2>of running backs that they're utilizing right now, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that speaks a lot to him. Justin Jefferson coming around.

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<v Speaker 2>Fortunately for the Packers, they don't need to see them

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<v Speaker 2>yet for another month and you know, kind of see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens there and Detroit. Uh, I made it my

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<v Speaker 2>key to victory we'll talk about it more on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about it on Final Thoughts and Packers Preview

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<v Speaker 2>and the other eighty four different types of video content

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<v Speaker 2>that you and I produce. But you have to score

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<v Speaker 2>points in order to beat the Chargers, and you better

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<v Speaker 2>do it in their house too, if you're gonna if

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be successful. Detroit did that, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamier Gibbs has kind of proven me wrong a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been very steady for them, been a good contributor,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, Detroit is high.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Campbell was back to his fourth down madness too,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, yeah, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It worked at the end of the game. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>way that crazy sequence he passes. He passes on a

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<v Speaker 1>forty four yard field goal to go forward on fourth

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<v Speaker 1>and two because he's in it, he's in a shootout.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't really want to put his defense back on

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<v Speaker 1>the field against Justin Herbert, so he's going to go

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<v Speaker 1>for it on fourth and two, try to get the

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<v Speaker 1>first down and then drain the clock for a walk

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<v Speaker 1>off field goal, and it ends up working. The field

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<v Speaker 1>goal ends up being only three yards closer, yeah, than

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<v Speaker 1>what it would have been it was a forty one

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<v Speaker 1>yarder instead of a forty four yarder when it was

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<v Speaker 1>fourth and two. But there's no time on the clock

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<v Speaker 1>and his defense doesn't have to go back out there

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<v Speaker 1>to defend Justin Herbert again in a shootout game, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Lions get another victory. And I want to echo

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<v Speaker 1>your point about Kevin O'Connell because we're not normally in

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<v Speaker 1>the business of tossing bouquets at division rivals. But for

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<v Speaker 1>all the talk about, okay, just what do the Vikings

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<v Speaker 1>have when they win thirteen games? But it's all these

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<v Speaker 1>down to the wire things and all of these supposed

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<v Speaker 1>luck metrics in this and that, you know, look at

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<v Speaker 1>their season last year and everybody's wondering, Okay, just what

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<v Speaker 1>do the Vikings have? Kevin O'Connell is proving that what

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<v Speaker 1>the Vikings have is one heck of a coach. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is a co which much like Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Campbell now in Detroit. That's a coach that the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>are going to have to deal with for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time because those guys aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They've

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<v Speaker 1>they've got some they've got some things figured out they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing some impressive work. And and it's on the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>now with Matt Lafleur, with Jordan Love with this young

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<v Speaker 1>offense to uh to catch up and uh and get

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<v Speaker 1>to where uh. And we're going to see the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>play both the Lions and the Vikings again here before

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the season. I think it could be

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty entertaining football.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have so much respect too for the way

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<v Speaker 2>in which the Vikings and Lions have gone about these

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<v Speaker 2>rebuilds or whatever you want to call him over the

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<v Speaker 2>last few years, because for so long, all these organizations

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<v Speaker 2>made it about, hey, we need to stop Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're just gonna make our head coach, a defensive

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<v Speaker 2>minded head coach draft for defensive players. Right, And here's

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<v Speaker 2>a little spoiler alert for you. Uh, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to stop Aaron Rodgers, regardless of who your head coaches.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Szimmer did a fine job of it many times,

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<v Speaker 2>but ultimately it didn't bring the Vikings a Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still I mean, as good as Zimmer was, he

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<v Speaker 1>still didn't actually win a whole lot of games against

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers. Yes, he had some success, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, Rogers still controlled that raval.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead the Lions went and got one of the

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<v Speaker 2>popular coaching candidate's a guy that interviewed here as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and Dan Campbell. Kevin O'Connell was the newest branch of that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Sean McVay tree. They brought him in and

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<v Speaker 2>they're playing good football right now. Me personally, yes, you're

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<v Speaker 2>always pulling for the Packers. You want to see them succeed.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you get competitive divisions like this, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>saying for years, Mike, the NFC North is so much

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<v Speaker 2>better than people give it credit for being. I agree,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's only been because you've had the Packers for

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<v Speaker 2>ten fifteen years, and then it's been the Vikings, and

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe a little bit of Lions, then the Bears

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<v Speaker 2>come out of nowhere, then it's back to the Vikings.

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<v Speaker 2>There just hasn't been that consistent number two. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you go up pound for pound playoff seedings, victories, in

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason, regular season wins, the North is right up

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<v Speaker 2>there with everybody. Yeah, So anyway, put a little respect

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<v Speaker 2>on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think I think there's going to be I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's gonna be some darn entertaining games coming up

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<v Speaker 1>within the division, a non division game coming up this

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<v Speaker 1>week for the Packers. Before the Thanksgiving showdun in Detroit,

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<v Speaker 1>we will talk about the Chargers. We'll talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>that Chargers Lion shootout on our next show, but for now,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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<v Speaker 1>Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the

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<v Speaker 1>team all week long on Packers dot com. For Wes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will

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<v Speaker 1>see you next time.