1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodquitz. Coming to you hear 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: from our studios at Lambeufield to talk about, unfortunately, another 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: tough loss for the Packers West twenty three to nineteen 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: to the Pittsburgh Steelers at Akrascher Stadium. Just wanted to 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: say that one more time for your benefit, I. 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: Think you're getting paid over here, Mike doing it that often. 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: My feeling, my feeling on this game. I wrote about 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: it already in a few different places. Yes, the ending 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: was the same and the ending was just as frustrating 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 1: as the other similar endings that the Packers have been 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: subject to this season. But this was not the same 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: script as far as the game goes, and the script 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: and the way this game unfolded gives you something to 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: feel a little bit better about with the Packers than 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: some of these other losses that we've had to discuss. 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: I know you're not a big social media guy, you're 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: not a big meme guy, but this almost, this game 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 2: to me almost kind of felt like the kombucha Lady 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: where she's like trying to determine whether or not she 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 2: liked the flavor of it, and it's going back and forth. 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: That's kind of been me in the aftermath of this loss, 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: because when it first happened, I was pretty disappointed. I 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: kind of thought I was like, Man, it happened to 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: these guys again, Yeah, where they just they they fell 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: into a spot where they're having to play and trying 28 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: to win in the fourth quarter. But the more and 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: more time passes, the more content I am with not 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: only the outcome of the game, but where the Packers 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: are at this point in time. And I think you 32 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: can kind of feel that a little bit with Matt Lafleur, 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 2: with this locker room. You don't want to lose, and 34 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: a loss is a loss is a loss. 35 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we stinks. 36 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: There were so many things that when we talk about 37 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: the signs of progression from week one to week ten, 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: the things that necessarily didn't always see in the losses 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: earlier this season that were present in this game against 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: the Steelers. The Packers got off to a faster start offensively, defensively, 41 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: gave up some points, first time in thirteen straight games 42 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: where they gave up a touchdown on the opening offensive 43 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: possession for the opposing team. 44 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: First touchdown on the opening drive for the offense since 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: week one. 46 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: Since week one. Yeah, And it wasn't that they just 47 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 2: scored a touchdown. It was that they had to respond 48 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 2: right right. They had to actually match the touchdown that 49 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh had had. And then I look at some 50 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: of the guys that stepped up along the way AJ 51 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: Dillon running the way he's been running the last few weeks, 52 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: this rookie class, this skill position players being able to 53 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: step up and defensively, not defending the run as well 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: as they have been two hundred plus yards unacceptable, but 55 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: not finding and sort of falling and regressing after that 56 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: first series, those first two series where they give up 57 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: fourteen points, the defense came back and battled the Green 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: Bay Packers have a lot of work to do in 59 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: three and six is not good enough. But now that 60 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: were forty eight hours away from this thing, I feel 61 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: like they're small things that Matt Lafleur and this coaching 62 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: staff can point to towards we did this better. Now 63 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 2: we need to do it to the level of which 64 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 2: we're gonna be able to win a football game. 65 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, the start for the defense was very frustrating to watch. 66 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: As you said, Pittsburgh scored touchdowns on their first two possessions, 67 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: they had a field goal on their third possession, so 68 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: they had seventeen points on three drives out of the gate, 69 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: and quite frankly that what was the most disappointing thing 70 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: with the way the defense started the game was that 71 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: until the final third down of the third drive, they 72 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: did not get Pittsburgh in anything worse than a third 73 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: and three. I mean, my point is they didn't even 74 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: really give themselves much of a chance to get off 75 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: the field because Pittsburgh just stayed ahead of the chains 76 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: for essentially three drives until that third one ended in 77 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: the red zone and they were in third and long 78 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: and then ended up having to kick a field goal. 79 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: So that for to see the Packers' offense start the 80 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: way it did and to start productively and still find 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: yourself in a seventeen to seven hole in the middle 82 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: of the second quarter was definitely deflating a lot of 83 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: other regrets in this game. And we'll certainly talk about 84 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: some of the positives that we think the Packers are 85 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: going to build on, but again, drop passes on offense, 86 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: the penalties on both sides of the ball hurt. A 87 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: blocked extra point, you can't overstate how large a role 88 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: that played in the game, because you know the Packers 89 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: then on those final two drives they have to get 90 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: a touchdown instead of being able to settle for what 91 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: might have been a game tying field goal to extend 92 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: the game, and then you never know what happens after that. 93 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: But the blocked extra point, the replay review thing, I'm 94 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: not even going to get into it. I said my 95 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: piece in Monday Mornings Insider Inbox. I'll stand by what 96 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: I said there, and I know you're not really interested 97 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: in talking about it either. 98 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: All I'm gonna say, if I may really quickly, is 99 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: that New York when when New York started jumping in 100 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: on these calls where it wasn't just on the officials 101 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: at the field, That's where I thought maybe we would 102 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: start to get a little bit more clarity on these things. 103 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: I actually think it's muddled the water even worse because 104 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: in the past, I'll be honest with you, if it 105 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: was just up to Scott Novak and his and his 106 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: staff and his crew on the field, okay, whatever, it's 107 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: just he's They're calling back to the New York office 108 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: to try to make sense of these things and they 109 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: still can't figure it out. 110 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 111 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you look at Dean Blandino for the thirty third 112 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 2: team and I get it. Man, I'm the biggest Dean 113 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: Blandino stand there is. But what I will keep saying, 114 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: Mike is that when Dean Blandino was the VP officiing 115 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: in the National Football League, there was accountability. Every week 116 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: Dean Blandino was coming out there, he was explaining, clarifying 117 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 2: what the calls were, good, bad, and everything in between. Yep, 118 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: it's no longer out river On. But the way that 119 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: this has degressed for the NFL in the last ten years, 120 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: I have never had less confidence in officiating week to 121 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: week and in any of my time covering the National 122 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: Football League. 123 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Yep, I agree. I agree with you. 124 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: That's my only two cents. 125 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you entirely, And as I said, 126 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: I will stand by what I said. I answered multiple 127 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: questions about it in Monday Mornings Insider inbox. I am 128 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: quite confident, even though I've only positive a theory, I'm 129 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: quite confident that I'm right in how in how that 130 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: went down. I'll let you folks read it. 131 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: I don't want to take it in the business. 132 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but other regrets too, even aside from that one, 133 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, And as you mentioned, the defense did bounce back, 134 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: they gave the offense a chance to come back, and 135 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: the Packers actually did take the lead in this game. 136 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: But we had talked all week last week about needing 137 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: to win the turnover battle, and at a time when 138 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: the turnovers in the game were zero zero, Packers had 139 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: the best chance for one that would have potentially turned 140 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: the game around, and unfortunately, Devandre Campbell led an interception, 141 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: maybe a pick sick slip through his hands. How many 142 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: times coming back from these road games are we talking 143 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: about interceptions and potential pick six. Is that the Packers 144 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: are not coming up with the plays. Those are the 145 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: game changers, those are the ones you gotta have. Campbell's 146 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: not the only one who's missed one this year. It's 147 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: been it's been all season long. So you get on 148 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: the plane with those with those regrets as well, after 149 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: you take a deep breath and you try to settle 150 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: in and go, okay, how are you going to move 151 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: forward here and try to get a home win over 152 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: the La Chargers, and we'll talk more about the Chargers 153 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: on our next episode. But when you look at what 154 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: this offense did Wes, you know, it's not just Jordan 155 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: Love thrown for two eighty nine. It's not just putting 156 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: up three ninety nine total in a road game. It's 157 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: the The explosive play was back suddenly for the Green 158 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: Bay Packers. Six plays, six offensive plays in this game, 159 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: five passes, one run that were twenty eight yards or longer. 160 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Those six plays accounted for over two hundred yards, more 161 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: than half of the three hundred and ninety nine. That's 162 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: how you get productivity in this league. And even saying 163 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: the six of twenty eight or more, there were two 164 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: or three others that were twenty twenty two to twenty 165 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: three yards right in that range as well. The explosive 166 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: play was there. I thought, I thought Jordan loves delivery 167 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: when the explosive plays were there to be made, I 168 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: thought he was. I thought he was spot on. I 169 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: think there's no question that even with the two interceptions 170 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: at the end of the game, Jordan Love played his 171 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: best game as a Green Bay Packer. 172 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: He made the throws that you want to see a 173 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: franchise quarterback, make the decision making, and obviously the red zone, 174 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: the one for five that Green Bay had down there. 175 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: It'll continue to be debated this week. It's something people 176 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: are gonna have their eye on. But I was watching 177 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: somebody had cut up all those explosive plays and put 178 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: them together. That's a real deal NFL quarterback. The way 179 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 2: he stepped into the pocket, the way he saw through 180 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: the pass rush, the way he was able to keep 181 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: his eyes downfield and deliver good footballs. And yeah, there 182 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: were some fun ones. The thirty five yard touchdown to 183 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: Jayden Reid, the forty six yard pass to Jaden Reid, 184 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: which was kind of a broken play, the seam to 185 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 2: Luke Musgrave, the corner to Luke Musgrave. But as I 186 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: wrote about an insider Inbox, I think my favorite play 187 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: was the Dontavian Wicks one because it came off somewhat 188 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: off schedule and it was a rookie fifth round pick 189 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: finding a hole in the secondary in Jordan Love, dancing left, 190 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: dancing right, doing all these little maneuvers within the pocket, 191 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: standing tall and delivering a thirty two yard pass on 192 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: third and long. Green Bay really executed, I thought well. 193 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: Within the offense in this game, they need to get 194 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: back to producing like they did earlier this season in 195 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: the red zone. That was a huge strength for them 196 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 2: early on. But overall, again, I just I think when 197 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: you look at the litmus test for Jordan Love and 198 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: him checking the boxes you want to see with him 199 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: being aotential, you know, starting quarterback for the future for 200 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: Green Bay, there were so many promising signs in this one. 201 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I one hundred, which which makes ending tough, you know, yeah, exactly. 202 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: And that's the thing is to see the game, to 203 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: see the game end with the back to back interceptions, 204 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll start with this, the one on the 205 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: last play of the game. The fact that the Packers 206 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: take over on their own nineteen yard line with fifty 207 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: nine seconds left and no timeouts and needing a touchdown, 208 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: and Jordan Love gets them to the sixteen yard line 209 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: with three seconds left to get even a legitimate shot 210 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: at the end zone. I thought that was some impressive work. 211 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: And it started with, as you said, the forty six 212 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: yard passed to Jayden Reid. That was some really good 213 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: improv by both guys, by about the quarterback and the 214 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: receiver to find that opening for a big play. You 215 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: convert the fourth down to aj Dillon, you know, hustle up, 216 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: spike the ball, give yourself a chance. The interception on 217 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: the last play though, I mean, come on, folks, I mean, 218 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: look at the film. Steelers have seven guys who are 219 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: literally lined up sidelined to sideline across the goal line. 220 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: I mean, which is how you defend which which is 221 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: exactly how you defend that. And you need you need 222 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: a p you need practically a miracle to uh to 223 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: be able to get that ball into the end zone. 224 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: And and Love took it. He took his shot. It 225 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: didn't work out, it got picked off. I don't blame 226 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: him for that interception. I didn't like the one on 227 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: the previous possession though, and and Matt Lafluur has made 228 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: has made some comments about that because they tried the 229 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: out and up with Christian Watson down the sideline. Watson 230 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: didn't really sell the out before he went up. It 231 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't the best route, and as Matt Lafluur 232 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: also said, it wasn't the best coverage. Look for that 233 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: kind of a route to try to make that play 234 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: in the red zone where the field is a little 235 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: bit tighter, and when it's only second down from the 236 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: fourteen yard line, there wasn't there wasn't the need necessary 237 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: really to uh to gopher broke there, so that one, unfortunately, 238 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, does does fall on Jordan and it does 239 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: fall on h On Watson for a couple of different reasons. 240 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: A heck of a play by Patrick Peterson. I mean, 241 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: what can you say, A veteran guy who's going to 242 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: be in Canton someday whenever he's still playing, but whenever 243 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: it's five years after he's retired, the guy is going 244 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: to be in Canton, and he made he made made 245 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: a whale. 246 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 2: Of a play. It was if I can't just mention 247 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: this because you and I were discussing this at our cubicles. Yeah, 248 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: on Monday. It reminded me of your dad in the driveway, 249 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: where it's like, you may have all the athleticism in 250 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: the world. You might be the better, you know, more 251 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: more conditioned athlete at this point, but the old man's 252 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: gonna back into every once in a while and he's 253 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: gonna post up and maybe not dunk, but he'll he'll 254 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: get the ball in the hoop. Yeah, that's Patrick Peterson 255 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: at the stage of his career and he finds a 256 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: way to make things happen. 257 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that a heck of a heck of a play 258 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: by him. But you'd love to see the Packers. You'd 259 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: love to see Jordan Love and the offense kind of 260 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: live to play another down there and take your crack on. 261 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: You know, third and nine from the fourteen, you still 262 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: got plenty of time on the clock to get that touchdown, 263 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: or who knows, maybe with that much time on the 264 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: clock and you got three timeouts, and you know the 265 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: defense had you know, been hanging in there. Maybe maybe 266 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: you end up actually kicking the field goal and try 267 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: to get the ball back one more time for another 268 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: field goal to win. Who knows, But they didn't give 269 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: themselves that opportunity. But we also have to point out 270 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: here we talked all last week about a couple of 271 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: darn good edge rushers for the Pittsburgh Steelers and TJ. 272 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Watt and Alex high Smith, And credit to Rashid Walker 273 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: and to Zach Tom also to the plan. When you 274 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: when you look at the film, you see you see 275 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: the chip blocks, you see the help in certain situations 276 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: that don't allow Watt and high Smith to just you know, 277 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: pin their ears back, as they say, and come after 278 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: the quarterback. The Packers slowed those guys up. They neutralized 279 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: them as best they could. When Jordan Love is dropping 280 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: back forty plus times and you look at the stat 281 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: sheet at the end of the game and Alex Highsmith 282 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: has almost no stats to speak of and TJ. Watt 283 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: just has one sack and two quarterback hits on forty 284 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: plus pass dropbacks in Pittsburgh on the road. That's a 285 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: heck of an effort in pass protection by the Packers. 286 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: And that's another good sign here moving forward, because we've 287 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: been talking about, you know, when is this offensive line 288 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: going to settle in to you know, to where they 289 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: are with the young players that are fitting in and 290 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: figuring out their roles and everything and helping this offense 291 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: find a level of efficiency. That game, that game, to me, 292 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: was hopefully the start of that because that was a 293 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: challenge against the Pittsburgh pass rush, and the Pittsburgh pass 294 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: rush did not dictate how that game went. 295 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: They didn't. I was super impressed. You had to read 296 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: about it in my inbox. But Zach Tom the effort 297 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: he had in that game, and there was a lot 298 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: of times I isolated. 299 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: Just on him outstanding performance again against against a tremendous player. 300 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was you know, Aaron Jones chipping here 301 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: and there. You know, guys the tight ends contributing to that. 302 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: But there were a lot of times too where Zach 303 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: Tom just had to get into his backstep his kickstep, 304 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: and it was just him versus TJ. Watt yep and 305 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: what is going to make his plays? He just will, 306 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: but they again neutralize that threat. Can't say enough about 307 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: really Walker, really this entire offensive line. I've watched that 308 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: run too by AJ Dillon probably about a half dozen times. 309 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: Now, Man, you cannot execute a sequence of blocks better 310 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: than how the Packers executed on that play. That's what 311 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: you might have missed, which is now on the website 312 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: if people want to check out the video clips and 313 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: my diagram my descriptions. I look specifically at all six 314 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: of the twenty eight plus yard explosives and try to 315 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: diagram and explain how and why they worked, if you 316 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: want to check it out. 317 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I was talking with Burt Griffin in the 318 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: locker room afterwards from WFRV, and he said, I mean, 319 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: it was the old John Riggins play where it's you know, 320 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: you give Rashid Walker gets on his guy and you 321 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: have both Runyon and Tom pulling from the right side, 322 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: and they sealed it off perfectly. And for aj Dillon Man, 323 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: a guy that has kind of had to go through 324 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: some pitfalls this season, but to be able to finally 325 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: get that high stepping down the sideline the old Walter 326 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: Payton style, I can only imagine how that must have 327 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: felt to him, and to be able to get up. 328 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: You know, that game in itself, Mike basically rose his 329 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: average yards percary from three point three to three point seven. 330 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: That's the difference of an explosive play. The Packers have 331 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: to get all their different various playmakers kind of all 332 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: kicking at the same time. Here. You know, it was 333 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: a tougher game for Aaron Jones. There was lamenting some 334 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: issues afterwards, but by and large Green Bay has had 335 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: most of their weapons available now and you're seeing when 336 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: they're used in concert how dynamic they can be. 337 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: And I'll just say this with regard to and I 338 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: try to explain this, am I what you might have 339 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: missed piece as well. For those who like to get 340 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: all hung up on scheme and play calling, versus execution. 341 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: When coaches, when guys like us say, you know, you 342 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: look at the film and there's you know, things are 343 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: there to be executed that aren't executed properly. That forty 344 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: yard run by aj Dillon. Packers had a seven man 345 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: offensive line, five linemen, two tight ends, one on each side. 346 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: The Steelers had an eight man box. It was seven 347 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: on eight. Schematically, that's advantage defense. But when everything is 348 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: executed the way you draw it up, it's a busted 349 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: It's a busted run out the gate for forty yards. 350 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: It's not all about scheme and play calling, folks. It's 351 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: about how the guys on the field execute their assignments. 352 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: And that play was a perfect example of it. 353 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the plays in which Green Bay were able 354 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: to generate those explosives, it speaks to that the challenge 355 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: for green Bay just tying this all together in a 356 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: bow is what you said earlier with the mixed extra point, 357 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: with the blocked extra point. Green Bay was finding themselves 358 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: back and playing from behind from pretty much the very beginning. 359 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: They got that quick little lead at the end of 360 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: the third quarter, but then obviously the Pittsburgh Steelers came 361 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: back and answered with what is probably an all Pro 362 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: type season right now from Chris Boswell, with the way 363 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: he's playing. Yeah, and for Green Bay, it just shows 364 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: you why every single thing you do has to be tight. Yeah, 365 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: you have to have it all coming together at the 366 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: same time. 367 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: And that's that's what That's what I was going to say, 368 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: because the Packers, the Packers are at the stage where 369 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: they're trying to put it together. They're trying, they're trying 370 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: to they're trying to grow, they're trying to get this 371 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: thing going. But you're still at the stage where your 372 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: margin of error is incredibly thin. And when your margin 373 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: of error is as thin as it is with this 374 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: Packers team, every little thing matters. And yeah, it's a 375 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: it's a blocked extra point that plays a huge role 376 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: in the game when the field goal unit. According to 377 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, was coach to alter the snap count and 378 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: to not allow a guy, a veteran like Patrick Peterson 379 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: coming off the edge to time the snap and get 380 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: the jump that he needs. Yes, there should have been 381 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: a better block on him, but he's also not supposed 382 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: to be able to time up the snap that well. 383 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: But yet he was. Because it looked like, you know, 384 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: the operation was, everything was normal, nothing was really changed up. 385 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: Those those are the little things. Aaron Jones not getting 386 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: out of bounds on the final drive on the checkdown pass, 387 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: he has a chance to you know, to get to 388 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: the sideline and save you know, fifteen eighteen seconds before, 389 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: which are time that the Packers end up losing before 390 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: their next snap, which then is why you only get 391 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: one crack at the end zone once you get inside 392 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: the twenty, you don't have maybe two or three there 393 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: because there isn't the time on the clock. Every little 394 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: thing matters with this team. And that's why this one, 395 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: this one was was this one hurt more in a 396 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: sense in terms of the regrets. The regrets in this 397 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: one hurt more, but for a good reason because there 398 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: were so many other good things that had happened in 399 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: the game, and this team is, this team is getting there. 400 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: You gotta believe that at some point point one of 401 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: these final drives is going to result in is going 402 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: to result in the victory, and then it really becomes 403 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: something that they can build on. But they've got to 404 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: keep they've got to continue to cut down on those 405 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: mistakes that are proving so costly. 406 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where I think, in my opinion, when 407 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: I look at this whole scenario right now for green 408 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: Bay in the way it's working out, I'd be more 409 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: concerned if you didn't have the young guys making plays. 410 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 2: I'd be more concerned if this was a veteran leaden 411 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: team that is making the mistakes that they're making. They're 412 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: kind of being the team that we sort of expected 413 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: they were going to be. Unfortunately for green Bay, they've 414 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: been going up against a team like Pittsburgh that, in 415 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: addition being credibly well coached, they do have veteran leaders 416 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: where you need them, and I think, in some ways, 417 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 2: getting back to that Patrick Peterson analogy earlier, when you 418 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: have the guys that have been there and done that, Yep, 419 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: sometimes it is experienced, it helps you prevail. 420 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, I'll take care a little bit of 421 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: sponsor business here. 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I had another big return 431 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: forty nine yards. 432 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah he did. 433 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 2: I just want to say this because I want people 434 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: to understand that that we're getting close here to what 435 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: I would consider to be another all pro type season, 436 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: and he's done it without like that huge return. Kishawn 437 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: Nixon now twenty six point four yards per return. The 438 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: only kickoff returner in the league right now that I 439 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: believe is above four hundred return yards. Kishaw Nixon's at 440 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: five oh two and it's getting cold out. That could 441 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 2: be a big thing to follow the second half. 442 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: Of this season, Absolutely no question about it. 443 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: Thank you for this Wes Hokowitz minut. It brought to 444 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: you by Cousin Subths. Yeah. 445 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: But I'm glad you brought that up because that even 446 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: that even points out another regret that you have, which 447 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: is when you know you get really good field position 448 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: off of a you know, a kick return near midfield 449 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: by Keishawn Nixon, but then the offense goes three and 450 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: out and you're not able to able to capitalize capitalize 451 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: on it when maybe all you need is one or 452 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: two first downs and you're getting three points on the board. 453 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: And in a game you lose by four with a 454 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: couple of red zone cracks at the end, you know, 455 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: every every point matters. Looking around the rest of the 456 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: league in Week ten, it's funny how this league works, Wes. 457 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: It truly is a week to week league, because last week, 458 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: at this time in this show, I said, well, all 459 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: the big games the home team's held serve yep, right, 460 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: Well look what happens the following week. Cleveland wins at Baltimore, 461 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: Houston wins at Cincinnati, San Francisco wins at Jacksonville, Detroit 462 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: wins at the Chargers, all of the big games that 463 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: we talked about heading into the weekend, the road team 464 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: ends up pulling them out, and Washington almost wins at 465 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: Seattle the game in a game that comes down to 466 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: the wire. A really wild, absolutely wild week in the NFL. 467 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: The Monday night game ended up being the sixth game 468 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: of the week in the NFL that ended on a 469 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: walk off field goal, which is an all time record. 470 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: It was already an all time record at five, and 471 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: then Monday night made it six. You also had two 472 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: other games that I know of from highlights that I 473 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: watched that came down to a Hail Mary on the 474 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: last play of the game. And then of course you 475 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: have the Packers game with a shot at final play 476 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: touchdown from inside the red zone. The games this week 477 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: in the NFL were wildly entertaining and some pretty significant results, 478 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: especially with some of those things that happened in the AFC, 479 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: with Cleveland beating Baltimore, Houston beating Cincinnati, and then on 480 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: Monday night, the Denver Broncos on the road beat the 481 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and suddenly the Broncos and Russell Wilson and 482 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: Sean Payton are in the playoff conversation in the AFC. 483 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, my biggest thing from this weekend, Michael and I 484 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: didn't get a chance to watch it live, but I 485 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: watched the highlights. I have so much respect right now 486 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: for the Vikings, Kevin O'Connell, that entire front office, Josh 487 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: Dobbs going in there and playing the way he's playing 488 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 2: right now. And did you see that clip too where 489 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: he got to us Bank Stadium. He didn't know how 490 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: to get to the Vikings locker room. Oh no, I 491 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: like the security people were actually like directing him around. Shay, 492 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: I've been there too, brother, I mean I've been there too. 493 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: It's a tough place to figure out. But yeah, this, 494 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: you know, he makes plays. He makes plays with his 495 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: feet and Mike. I've said this so many times and 496 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,239 Speaker 2: I think I even mentioned it a few times when 497 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers was hurt in the past. In order for 498 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: backup quarterbacks to succeed, you are not going to be 499 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: able to win the same way that your starter did. Yeah, 500 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: you can have a guy that might fit the scheme 501 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: or whatever, but a lot of times it comes down 502 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: to organized chaos and Josh Dobbs has mastered that. And 503 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: for them to go in and perform the way they 504 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 2: did and hold Serve against New Orleans with the menagerie 505 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: of running backs that they're utilizing right now, I think 506 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: that speaks a lot to him. Justin Jefferson coming around. 507 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: Fortunately for the Packers, they don't need to see them 508 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: yet for another month and you know, kind of see 509 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: what happens there and Detroit. Uh, I made it my 510 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 2: key to victory we'll talk about it more on Thursday. 511 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: We'll talk about it on Final Thoughts and Packers Preview 512 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: and the other eighty four different types of video content 513 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: that you and I produce. But you have to score 514 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: points in order to beat the Chargers, and you better 515 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: do it in their house too, if you're gonna if 516 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: you're gonna be successful. Detroit did that, and you know, 517 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs has kind of proven me wrong a little bit. 518 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: He's been very steady for them, been a good contributor, 519 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: and you know, Detroit is high. 520 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell was back to his fourth down madness too, 521 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. 522 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: It worked at the end of the game. That's the 523 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: way that crazy sequence he passes. He passes on a 524 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: forty four yard field goal to go forward on fourth 525 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: and two because he's in it, he's in a shootout. 526 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: He doesn't really want to put his defense back on 527 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: the field against Justin Herbert, so he's going to go 528 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: for it on fourth and two, try to get the 529 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: first down and then drain the clock for a walk 530 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: off field goal, and it ends up working. The field 531 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: goal ends up being only three yards closer, yeah, than 532 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: what it would have been it was a forty one 533 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: yarder instead of a forty four yarder when it was 534 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: fourth and two. But there's no time on the clock 535 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: and his defense doesn't have to go back out there 536 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: to defend Justin Herbert again in a shootout game, and 537 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: the Lions get another victory. And I want to echo 538 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: your point about Kevin O'Connell because we're not normally in 539 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: the business of tossing bouquets at division rivals. But for 540 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: all the talk about, okay, just what do the Vikings 541 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: have when they win thirteen games? But it's all these 542 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: down to the wire things and all of these supposed 543 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: luck metrics in this and that, you know, look at 544 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: their season last year and everybody's wondering, Okay, just what 545 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: do the Vikings have? Kevin O'Connell is proving that what 546 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: the Vikings have is one heck of a coach. And 547 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: I think that is a co which much like Dan 548 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: Campbell now in Detroit. That's a coach that the Packers 549 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: are going to have to deal with for a long 550 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: time because those guys aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They've 551 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: they've got some they've got some things figured out they're 552 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: doing some impressive work. And and it's on the Packers 553 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: now with Matt Lafleur, with Jordan Love with this young 554 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: offense to uh to catch up and uh and get 555 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: to where uh. And we're going to see the Packers 556 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: play both the Lions and the Vikings again here before 557 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: the end of the season. I think it could be 558 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: some pretty entertaining football. 559 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: And I have so much respect too for the way 560 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: in which the Vikings and Lions have gone about these 561 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: rebuilds or whatever you want to call him over the 562 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: last few years, because for so long, all these organizations 563 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: made it about, hey, we need to stop Aaron Rodgers. 564 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 2: So we're just gonna make our head coach, a defensive 565 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: minded head coach draft for defensive players. Right, And here's 566 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: a little spoiler alert for you. Uh, it's gonna be 567 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 2: difficult to stop Aaron Rodgers, regardless of who your head coaches. 568 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: Mike Szimmer did a fine job of it many times, 569 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: but ultimately it didn't bring the Vikings a Super Bowl. 570 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: He's still I mean, as good as Zimmer was, he 571 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: still didn't actually win a whole lot of games against 572 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Yes, he had some success, but for the 573 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: most part, Rogers still controlled that raval. 574 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: So instead the Lions went and got one of the 575 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: popular coaching candidate's a guy that interviewed here as well, 576 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: and Dan Campbell. Kevin O'Connell was the newest branch of that, 577 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: you know, Sean McVay tree. They brought him in and 578 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: they're playing good football right now. Me personally, yes, you're 579 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: always pulling for the Packers. You want to see them succeed. 580 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: But when you get competitive divisions like this, I've been 581 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: saying for years, Mike, the NFC North is so much 582 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 2: better than people give it credit for being. I agree, 583 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: And it's only been because you've had the Packers for 584 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: ten fifteen years, and then it's been the Vikings, and 585 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: then maybe a little bit of Lions, then the Bears 586 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 2: come out of nowhere, then it's back to the Vikings. 587 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: There just hasn't been that consistent number two. But when 588 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: you go up pound for pound playoff seedings, victories, in 589 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: the postseason, regular season wins, the North is right up 590 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: there with everybody. Yeah, So anyway, put a little respect 591 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: on it. 592 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: Well, I think I think there's going to be I 593 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some darn entertaining games coming up 594 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: within the division, a non division game coming up this 595 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: week for the Packers. Before the Thanksgiving showdun in Detroit, 596 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: we will talk about the Chargers. We'll talk more about 597 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: that Chargers Lion shootout on our next show, but for now, 598 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: we'll call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 599 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 600 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: team all week long on Packers dot com. For Wes, 601 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will 602 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: see you next time.